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Giro d'Italia Stage 8 2024 
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I’ll mark that stage review as being unique: No one was called a knucklehead 😂
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Yet the TV commentators were questioning UAE's tactics for the whole stage. Right on again Chris!
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Pogi wasn’t even gunning for the win! Mikkel and Vegard insisted and he just had to honour their effort. In post-race interview he said, “I win to Thank them!” I’m speechless! 😶
What is happening!?😅
I thought that was a gutsy performance by Rafal Majka to get back to the front and lead out Pogacar at the end. Nice concise analysis once again.
Agreed. 👊🦋
❤ Majka did a great job, never expected he could come back and pull at the last 500 meters.Reminds me of Sepp Kuss at 2023 TDF.
Thank you Chris and Garrett for all your time and work
Bam. 👊🦋
“dropped like a bag of beans” That’s a new for me. 😂
Your recaps are one reason why I don’t worry about missing a race. In fact, for some stages, it better to just wait for your recap.
UAE’s strategy after that first day has gotten better… Tadej covering those attacks at the end were in one way hilarious and at the same time for the other riders, humbling… 🍻
attacks? Only attacking was pairet pentre
Agreed 👊🦋
I was pretty sure that after UAE sat on the front all day there was no way Tadaj was giving anyone else the win.
Get you a mountain super domestique like Rafal Maka...
The guy is a brilliant pro and a wonderful asset to Pogi...
I hope that Tadej is not getting sick!!
Yep, the guy is an army, deserves the credit.
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UAE did a great job today and Tadej was a sprinting rocket!
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Chris you crack me up with your past stories but they are told so animated and real it gives us guys that have not been in a professional peloton an idea of what goes through your head both before during & after an epic ride like that , ‘dropped like a bag of beans’ by Froomie had me crying 😢with laughter. Keep up your insightful analysis and I think you should start a knucklehead score 1-5 as not all NH are created equal
i appreciate uae's team effort here to preserve pogi and try control what they can in this race. Others say its boring bcoz a favorite won the stage, but me, i like how it was earned, who did follow, and who were the rising stars in the gc. Its inspiring and keeps the race interesting for me^
I really enjoyed today’s stage also. Never boring and tons of questionable tactics to talk about from every team out there I thought. But I certainly liked UAE’s tactics. A race like today’s could have been discussed a ton of different ways. 👊🔥🦋💪
Tadej never budged from his saddle to cover all the attacks. He looked like he was on a weekend wine tasting tour 👍🏻🚵🏼💯
I found it irritating that the commentators on Eurosport were bringing up the issue of Pogi winning too much. That he should just "let others win". 8 Stages and 6 different winners...what's their problem? There will still be more surprises in this Giro. And Pogi is aiming at 2 GTs as we all know, so "economy of effort" is important.
I never heard any suggest Bolt to let others win 100 and 200 m dash sprints.
@@johanf9279 Quite so.
“No gifts!” - The Badger
As soon as Tadej had slowed down after the line, he turned around and immediately went to thank his team mate Majka for the incredible control up the last climb (especially coming back after the late attacks).
Major props to Mikkel Bjerg because he was the primary factor that Tadej went for the stage win. If Bjerg had not come back to pull, then UAE would have let the breakaway win.
Chris, I was just watching the live French Eurosport covering of today race, and Jacky Durant ( a former winner of the tour of flanders and one of the commentators) said he used to call you Yvette, as there was a famous French musician who used to follow the tour de France caravane named Yvette Hornère.
What makes me laugh the most is the capillary difference between you and Yvette. 😂😂
I’m waiting for a post race interview question, “everything went perfectly today, what was the discussion before the race?” “We listened to the Butterfly Effect and Chris Horner’s advice!” 🦋👊🏻
M. Bjerg had to ride fast the tt to qualify for the olimpycs! That’s what they said on Eurosport in Europe! He apparently had the green light from uae to go full gas!
Be encouraged, Chris, you were at least close enough to earn an arrow at the finish. 😀
Just barely. But in the last rainy stage I did smash everyone up the super steep climb but then Sagan dropped all of us and me going down hill in the rain. It’s a long story with another sad ending for me. 😂🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCyclingHA HA! You are on rare form. Your comments are worthy of youtube jersey. Most colorful in the comments jersey. 😂😂
Poor Dani Martinez beat Remco 2 this year in sprints but against Pogi he was like a junior 😢
Love your videos! Thank you
Great coverage and analysis for all riders. Never get tired of your personal experience of the races back in the day. It was harder to get the full coverage 10 to 20 years ago. Some stages just never seem to change too much especially those major grades.
That really worked well today. Good to see.
Finally! A pro team that looks Pro!
Wicked power! Next 2 weeks should be interesting
Thanks Chris....Papillon !
Thanks Chris!!!!
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Nice to see Ben doing well
Thanks Chris and Garrett, I bet your ready for the rest day😂. Chapeau to Storer, in the early break and gets 9th on the stage.
Storer went deep 👊🦋💪
Domination!
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Pogi knows he can beat them all in the uphill sprint and no need to attack 3-5km to go. Conserve energy as possible with 2 more weeks to go 🏆
Tiberia showed some heart to today when he tried get away , not once but twice!!!! But Pog was too strong and immediately brought him back
Yes.
Podium 👊🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
Dankeschön Chris and Garrett, I appreciate your work very much. Because of the time zone I usually watch it along with the breakfast. Ps. Einer's last name is quite easy to pronounce, as much of the Spanish, all you have to do is to split the syllables: Ru-bio.
Love me some Chris froome
Imagine having teammates like that!!! Amazing
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Julian Alaphilippe is energetic this Tour. You might say he's Peppy LePew 😂
Chris, If the break had worked together better, do you feel like UAE should have let them go? It seems to me that a critical aspect of the stage was that because the break didn't work well, UAE didn't have to spend super-much energy to control things...
Chris! how many sharp shirts do you have?
2nd
Hope UAE can chill again tomorrow.
Tomorrow is very interesting stage. Long enough that no one wants to control but the climbs are not to difficult so a few sprinter teams may try if to control if they don’t get a rider in the break first off. 🤔🦋🔥👊
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@@ChrisHornerCyclingI believe Jonathan Milan said as much.
Chris , are we ever going to see you as a DS? I think any team will benefit from you with yiur knowledge and tactics.
Pogi is so in his groove right now.
250m sprint uphill is a long way.
Hey Chris, what's your take... was Chris Froome doping?
Chris, do you think Tadej can keep up winnings stages and have the energy left to defend himself?
E-bike race with superdopers like Postal
The best Froome vs the best Pogadcar? For gc of course
believe it or not, the prize for winning the intergiro is.....a driving course! Worth fighting for :)
The only one I might want some comment on was Schachmann's move which spit out Lutsenko right away. Not sure whether that was such a clever move as he was top 6 after Stage 7 but then lost over 2min on Stage 8.
It didn’t really do anything except help Pogi. So you are correct in questioning it. 👊🦋
What was that conversation Vaughters and the other Eurosport host saying about giving the break an opportunity to win? UAE is there to win GC and stages as any other team should be. I didn't find Vaughters commentary very useful.
Agreed. I really wanted to talk about all what was being said up there today by Vaughters and Kelly. No way I’m sharing wins if you are trying to drop me for three weeks. And Vaughters mentioned something about Pogi staying around 10-15th position and how he has data on it saving energy (I bet he doesn’t;). I don’t believe that would, unless the leader can stay way back in the peloton when it’s at least 5 wide back there and a super steady pace . But today it was single file where Pogi stayed often at today. 🤔🦋👊
Kelly is a legend. But having to listen to him is challenging. Why is Vaughters there? Ugh.
How can one guy be so much better than everyone else?? He didn’t even look a little tired up that last climb. If he keeps this form into the TdF I don’t see anyone beating him.
He's had 18 race days this year. He's won 10! In a pro peleton, that's ridiculous. Pog is brilliant
On Froome, what’s your take on how he’s gone since his crash in 2019?
Not good at all. But I know the feeling all too well well after my own accident in a tunnel during 2014. Ouch 🥲🦋
Looking at that 2013 Tirreno line up. Wow who's who and the kitchen sinks in the race. Nowadays it seems these guys are pretty much avoiding each other until the Tour
Chris yesterday: Ineos has gotta put guys in the break!
Today: Ineos puts two guys in the break
Checks out!
It didn't cause enough ruckus in the peloton.
I liked that Ineos did it, I just wish the break had a little more cohesion and then we would have gotten two races out of the stage. 👊🦋
As always, thanks for the detailed analysis Chris! One query:
1. Pogacar is better sprinter compared to most of the GC favorites and so, if his goal was to win the stage and gain only a few seconds on GC rivals, why not just sprint for the line like he did multiple times in TDF 2020 against Jumbo Visma train and win stages with weak UAE team back then instead of UAE team riding at the front all day and not saving energy for the later stages.
2. Since Bardet and Nairo were 5+ mins down in GC, Bora and Ineos would have shared the duties/effort at the front of the peleton to control the break. This would allow UAE team to save the legs and then, start pacing Pogacar aggressively on the today's final climb. Pogacar could have gained more time on GC rivals that way by attacking 4-5km before the finish instead of sprinting and gaining mere few seconds.
Considering Pogacar gained only few seconds against GC favorites, why do you think it was wise move by UAE to drive in the front of the peleton all day instead of aggressively setting up Pogacar on the final climb to gain more time on the rivals (though Pogacar may or may not win the stage).
Thanks.
It was fine because the tempo wasn't too fast. They could work their rouleurs all stage and safe the climbers, so it didn't really hurt much to work the front. If the breakaway worked well, they'd have let the gap go out and then what you said comes into play.
I don’t think UAE rode to much hard pace today. The break never got organized fully. Bjerg and Vegard did some good pace certainly but it was very steady and looked and very controlled without big spikes of power. So I’m happy with it. 🤔🦋👊
I think Pogi’s goal was to save energy for him and not explode his teams.🤔🦋👍
Got it. Thanks for the explaination Chris and Andreas.
Any thoughts on Paret-Peintre going up the road and not helping Ben O'Connor out? Ben is riding well so it seemed a waste for Paret-Peintre to push so hard for no result given the GC guys were about to be at the front for the last 6-7 kms.
🚴 What happened to Froome, Chris. Did he just age-out ?
storer aditted in post race interview that UAE weren't going that hard inspite of Kelley and other commentators claiming UAE were burning up their riders.
Right. It was very easy to see the pace was nothing special in the break away. If they could not tell from just Bjerg pulling and the gap dropping then you could tell from the break attacking each other. Also the riders seemed to be at the car often. Or simply by the fact that Valentine stayed out a very long time. Bardet, Steinhouser, and Storer hung on a very long time. Seemed simple to read. 🤔🤷🏼♂️👊🦋
Me. Ha!!!
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Are you saying “calm like a bomb” or “calm like a balm”?
Dr Horner will see you for your bee sting now. Or was it just yesterday's time trial?
'Sky-Fall' --> when Ineos is the unfortunate sequel!
"Dropped me like a bag o' beans!" 😂😂😂👍🚴♀️🦋👊 p.s. how is a bomb calm ... ?!?? 🤯
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Knucklehead Alaphilippe
Tadej should use his teammates to catch breakaways for the next mountain stages and then take off and attack.I would say if he did this it should be no more than 20 sec only attack when he gets close enough he should start making moves but he's so good he can do it all by himself and have no issue, Pogacar can easily follow any of the riders and still win the stage but with a 2 min gap and still plenty of time for anything to happen I wouldn't risk not riding to catch the breakaway even with not a strong UAE Team but still good enough till the end until they need to drop off to let Pogacar attack.👊🦋
Pogi has the TT ahead still where he can get more time but there every rider will have to be 100% also. 🤔🦋👊
I was rooting for my main man Romain Bardet to be in the breakaway but ended up getting dropped. I guess he didn't have the legs, i hope he wins at least one stage in this Giro
I think Roglic has given tips to Pog on how to win stage races 😉😜
Pogi won 3 stages in his first Grand Tour in Vuelta 2019 he was bound for greatness
Stage 8 finishing order could well prove to be the final GC order in Rome
Ineos would not be to happy. But I won’t argue with you 🔥🦋👊😱
What is the key to Tadej's physiological advantage? He was toying with the field on that final climb like he was babysitting. I am hoping that UAE will blow so he can at least be pushed, or tested, anything.
We are all hoping for UaE to blow a little so Pogi can show off. 😂🦋👊
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All I can do is shake my head and smile.
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Knucklehead Count: 0
Not even for the guys in the breakaway who couldn't hold it together so one of them could pick up a stage win.
I should have given JA one. I will save it until Monday. 😂🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCyclingRoman for me he was a knucklehead
Bjerg and Starke Langen said to Podacar. That it was possible to
Win etape, if Tadej had good legs.
Was not the plan before start.
Bonus money for VC still counts!
Cavendish braggs over 2 most
Wins 164 over took cipollinins
Place. With current page for wins
Podacar will reach 165 in 26.
Limited for Cavendish how much
More! Philipsen will prevent Cavendish
For the TDF record! Not many cycle
Races left in USA! Maryland Classic
Cancelled Baltimore Bridge gone!
What a shame 😭
The US always has races disappearing. That is are or big problem. They are coming and going to fast. 🥲🦋
Hi Chris, I no longer belief Tadej is riding clean. Of course there's no Vingegaard or Evenepoel, but still there are riders who know something about racing.
Look at the difference in the general classification after one week!
Only when you know nothing about the history of cycling you belief this and you are one of the great riders in this sport.
There are really some super riders, Tadej, Remco, Wout, Mathieu and Jonas or again there is a new drug in town.
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I think the 14 riders in the breakaway tried too much to save the legs for the last climb, because it’s not possible that 14 good guys cant gain more than 2 minutes against 2-3 UAE pulling behind.
I'm not saying this is what is happening, but Pog. feeling good, the risk is that he scrapes a victory here a win there, and at the end he has overdone it and maybe looses the Tour de France with a handful of seconds. Far fetched, maybe, and you're not doing well without fun neither. Still i would prefer him to keep cool: it's a long, long road two big Tours behind each other. How many have done so? And it would be a pity if the last week in France he starts fading away. He already has shown what he has, please calm down Pog.!
I think Pogacar should not overdo it. The 2 times he lost the Tour de France, he also attacked relentlessly. He should have learned a lesson there.
He did. If he hadn’t learned a lesson there he would’ve probably attacked with some kms to go and gapped the other Gc riders with close to a minut. But he didnt, he saved some legs and won the stage -> win win
@@l3monsquare296 Yes, for once he did, you are right.
it's so weird to see people talk about all this as if it's real and legit racing, having ptsd of all the discussions around Armstrong before anyone had confirmed the obvious, I guess a few years down the road when this guy gets found out this will all be looked back on and laughed upon.
Your pronunciation of Tudor is killing me Chris.
What's wrong with his pronunciation of Two-Door Cycling?
Hehehe. Really. That’s the one that’s killing you. 😂🦋👊
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This Giro is ridiculous. Here, excluding Pog, the start list is weak. Can't wait for the Tour to see some real fight and competition like the several years. I hope that Jonas be in top shape but I really doubt it.
Tadej should not be covering all the attacks himself. Overall It’s a weak team. I expect a stacked UAE team fit the TDF.
I bet Chris Froome found it easy to drop you with that motor hiding away in his frame.
I don’t know about a motor but I do know I was dropped. 🥲🦋
Haha Cynic LeMond seems to cry about Froome's motor frequently. 😢😭
UAE…Pogačar, Ulissi, Mauro Gianetti, Roberto Corsetti, Ferrari…..= Doping
Jeeze why would bycycle ruin their rep with doperman
That's how you celebrate a win... throwing Slovenian gang signs.
Is it possible for Chris to say last without saying final?
You need quotation marks when you quote someone.
Nope. 🤣
Hehehe. Probably not now in year four. 😂🦋👊
Why you say sitting on the chesterfield is that the toilet
No knuckleheads? Almost clicked the dislike button.
Flawless, but a bit boring.
Butterflyeffect24, thanks Chris. I just listed my bike.
Save some money and make some space. 👊🦋💪
it could have work if they collaborated ! valentin p.p.decathlon , domage ! .racing for second ,or bit the biggest margine in the giro.good defence of pinky . julian is burning candle from both end ! njoylife merci🦋
I think so too. To bad for them. Good Pogi 🤔😬🦋👊💪