The Killing Joke - Comic Breakdown
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- Опубликовано: 30 июл 2024
- Today on Variant, we break down "The Killing Joke" storyline! Plus, we take a look at the DC Collectibles Mad Love two pack!
Troy Baker - Killing Joke monologue:
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I wrote a 17 page paper on the Joker in the Killing Joke as an advocate for PTSD and Punctual Trauma. One cool thing in that story is that memory is always followed by violence. Remembering is literally dangerous.
I like that comic showed the similarities between the hero and the villain.
Joker had a bad day and went nuts however Batman had a bad day too but that made him want to help people.
Batman is crazy too u know
Arkham Knight
He isn't completely sane but he isn't psychotic either.
@PioneerofImagination which makes it better, the joker is technically right
*This was the first comic I ever had, and will always be my favorite.*
Mine too.
Same
Same o.o
Did we all just become best friends??!?
+Mike H Yup.
All it takes is one bad day.
Madness is the emergency exit
+Bat-Lord What do you think I am, CRAZY?
...you'd turn it off when I was halfway across!
Turtledude83 Dc:DCBATMN
I Create Carnage Maybe its just you.
oh i love it !!
The drawings for this novel was so pure. i remember reading this and turn to the next page or 2 and seeing the Joker's crazy ass smiles and it look so creepy for some reason. lol
In my opinion, “the killing joke” is any law, any value, any imposed moral standard, any justification for violence/lethal force. The final page tells the whole story. The cop car (representative of authority, law, an assumed moral standard) shines a light between Batman and Joker’s feet, creating a line that clearly separates the two figures. In the final panels, Batman crosses the beam to put his hands on Joker, sure to keep his feet on his side of the beam of light. Then, the light goes away.
Batman is the lunatic that jumped to freedom and is shining this beam between himself and Joker. Morality, laws, like a beam of light are intangible. You could say they’re imaginary - something we make up in our heads. Yet we’re willing to beat, aggress, potentially even kill people for being on the wrong side of these imaginary lines we make up for ourselves as a collective society of people.
Assaulting someone is absolutely reprehensible in every instance - except when Batman does it? Because he had a bad day once when he was 8 years old? Because he is enforcing the law that tells people not to assault others? Has Batman ever considered the people he beats have had bad days that defined them as well? If Joker refuses to cross to the “right” side of the line, Batman has to cross it in order to force Joker into compliance. Because of some assumed morality that Batman has? How many people has Batman crippled over the years, but if Joker cripples one single person he is the bad guy. All because of an imaginary line we call the law. What a joke! A joke that leads Batman to use violence (lethal force) against the people he claims he wants to help.
It won’t work and can never work. Joker refuses to be controlled or dictated by an imaginary line. Batman will have to kill him first. And kill him Batman will. Because if you have any moral standard to set, at the end of the day, the only way to get everybody to comply with your moral standard is to use violence/threat of violence or murder the people who refuse to comply. And if you have to cross your own moral line for it to exist then you have no moral line - which is why the light disappears in the last panel. That’s the killing joke. It’s any sense of morality that justifies lethal force.
To fully understand The Killing Joke, you have to shed any assumption that Batman is a heroic figure, and even that there is such a thing as a hero. And you have to understand Alan Moore is an anti-authoritarian, anti-violence, anti-establishment anarchist. The way Moore sees it, Batman is no better or worse than The Joker... he’s just more hypocritical. The goal of the two lunatics is freedom. For one of the lunatics, the key to freedom is an imaginary beam we all have to pretend is real. The other lunatic realizes that beams can be turned on or off at the will of the person carrying the flashlight. Laws change with political agendas, so Batman is asking Joker to believe in a made up thing that changes with the times.
Good poetry! Don’t do any thing bad!
That's a really good comment.
@@randomgirl01300 if you’ve read anything from Alan Moore (Watchmen being the prime example) then you have to know that every aspect of every panel matters and is intentional. No page space is wasted on unimportant or “filler” details. Which is why the pages containing no dialogue except for laughter stood out to me. So, I looked into their possible meaning. The otherwise nonsensical “joke” at the end of the book helped piece that together. It also helped that I myself have gained a familiarity with different political persuasions such as anarchism over the years. I know the mindset Moore is coming from. I suspect he identifies as strongly with the Joker as he does with Batman. As he said in the script for The Killing Joke, it is Joker’s story
I always appreciate how professional you are but you still feel like a human. Another great video!!
I can't wait for the killing joke animated movie.
It sucks, the book is better. Why? Because of Boland.
+Raskal Robbin Have you seen it yet? Oh wait, you haven't because SDCC hasn't started yet
Nicholas Amadeus Kosasih Yes I've seen the teaser, it looks like a cheaply made animated version of the book.
@@intothevoid999 this didnt age well
Mahadev P Menon I feel like if they just removed the first act with batwoman, it would be a great short film.
came back to this after the 3 jokers comic ending greatest ever!!
So glad you made this video, tired of people saying Joker hunted down Batgirl cause he knew it was her and took her father just because he showed up at the wrong time.
I always imagined the joker to be alive. the last panel of the book is the exact same as the first, so that makes me think it's a sort of symbolism of what batman said about the two of them never ending.
I got tickets to see it in theaters July 25. Can't wait!
You should make a video about movies that were better than their comic counterparts
... That would none though. Marvel movies are good and all, but not amazing.
Navon Myhand Maybe...But since he mentioned in the video something about movies being better than comics, I thought it might be cool to know which ones he thinks are better
Daniel Alves I guess, good point.
Navon Myhand Thank you :-)
Daniel Alves You're welcome.
I literally just read this storyline yesterday! I loved it and while I liked Death of the Family more overall as a Bat Family storyline, this was an amazing Joker storyline. I love how Joker's possible lady friend or wife died by a bottle warned that short circuited. That freak accident is just so random and probably explains part of why he's so crazy
love the channel and all the info
I finished reading the deluxe edition of this comic and honestly I am discovering these Easter eggs right now. Not only that I am understanding the story now!!
one of my top 2 trades/graphic novels of all time, I love this book. I have showed it to so many people
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Anchorman: 60%of the time, it works every time
Variant: 9 times out of ten the comic is ALWAYS better
Normally it'll take me ages too finish comics, but I raced through this in one 45 minute sitting
Elijah Cassidy nice i take ages to read comics too but i usually like it that it takes some time
Congrats for the million !
when in DC rebirth it says there are three jokers, I believe it is saying there is a different joker for each origin : This one, the detective comics one, and the New 52
I just finished the comic book today and it was fantastic!!!! This is first ever comic book i have ever read and it really has me thinking! The ending is what got me cause it relates to the title! It also got me confused, but the comments help a lot!!! Please recommend me more Batman and the Joker comic books!!!
Aris, your videos are so cool I want to leave a like on each one, but i forget because i just jump from one to the next too fast XD.
You´re one of my fav youtubers :)
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Awesome video this is my favorite comic book ever !!!
Love the vids. Also could you maybe you make a vid about 3 ideas that you think could make a good batman or superman comic storyline
Love this channel.
This was the book that got me into reading comic books. The best one ever. I would love to know which are the other 2 among the 3 most favorite comics Arris mentions.
I love jokers monologue in the mirror house.
There it seemed to me that Joker was trying to make Batman understand him. Not to prove a point but just to have someone get him for once. I say this because at the end of the monologue when joker asks: why aren't you laughing? His face looks human and sad. I have never seen Joker like that. So yeah that's what i think.
opinions?
I agree with that interpretation
They sould bring back Troy Baker from the Arkham Origins game to voice a younger Joker again if they do an animated version of Ed Brubaker's "The Man Who Laughs" comic. It was meant to describe Batman's first encounter with the Joker.
Agreed; "The Killing Joke" IS the greatest Joker story ever told.
I'm hopping that they'll release a version of the movie that includes the comic with it.
Love this! And your vids :). I just wanted to point out that the joker doesnt fall accidently to the vats, he jumps trying to escape Batman. Its really important because it means he chose to escape whatever the consequences
I really hope that this goes well, if the Killing joke can be done well and tastefully can hopefully see much more graphic stories from the dc universe done in animated movies. I would especially love to see Knightfall updated for a more modern spin.
They made up the first half hour, but the rest of The Killing Joke animated movie was surprisingly accurate. Most of the dialogue was word for word.
And yes, I believe at the end of this particular story just like in The Dark Knight, Joker got Batman to break his One Rule.
my favorite comic book and awesome video
I just got the comic yesterday and thought it was really good. When I saw this video I had to watch it.
That Joker line " it only takes one bad day" is not just epic but also painfully true, too true for comfort
i like to think that batman headbutt/knocked out the joker and the reason he was
laughing was because he managed to disprove the jokers point by maintaining his cool
and not snapping/killing him. and the fact gordon regained his sanity also helps to disprove his point.
would please do a death of the family breakdown ?
it is my all time favorite .
Great review:)
I got my original First Print Newsstand Edition still . Just put it on my Ebay store today.
Can you do a breakdown of the comic batman court of owls next?
the Trailer gave me Goosebumps I love it.
The Killing Joke is maybe the one of the greatest CB/GN in history and IMO perhaps the greatest Superhero tale ever told.
It explored the dynamics between the Hero and the villain in a more psychological level and explored one of the many possible origin tales of the Joker.
But the real genius of TKJ is its deconstruction of the superhero genre, there's a one line in the comic that sums this is up, the scene where Batman is in the batcave and pondering who the joker is, asking himself: “How can two people hate so much without knowing each other?”
Alan Moore said that batman was intended to kill the joker in the story but they kept it ambiguous in case DC wanted to put it in main continuity
my mom got me the killing joke for my birth day and I finished it in the blink of and eye. It was great personally I don't know what to think happened in the end but I think some how the joker lived considering it was mentioned in the death of the family
What are your other two top 3 comic stories of all time?
I remember watching this channel 3 years ago for got about it lol
Must be weird seeing them with over a million subs. Well deserved.
The Killing Joke is my second favorite comic after Mad Love and my third is A Death in the Family
Where's the link Arris?!?
i do apologize, but i can't seem to find it. :/
+Knight Bracher It's the one the says "Troy Baker - killing joke monologue"
Elijah Cassidy thx
Dear VariantComics. I love watching your "History Of" Episodes. Please, oh please do one for to of my favorite female Superheroes? She-Hulk and Hawkgirl. Please? I really want to see that. Please?
Thanks for your time.
Kind regards
Spectrum 1701
P.S. Please do She-Hulk and Hawkgirl?
+VariantComics I was wondering do you happen to know how much the killing joke in perfect condition as a hard back is worth
I've heard that Fathom Events (the people behind Rifftrax Live) will be doing select theater screenings of Batman: the Killing Joke. While I'd like to see that, I'd much rather buy the BluRay.
The joker wasn't the first red hood he even says in the next panel "isn't it the one that red hood guy wears who raided that ice company last month?"
Also, there is a version of Mad Love written in a regular novel that you can find on Wattpad if you have it.
Great video
hopefully I see you down here for comic con will be my first time in 25 years!!
I can't wait to learn about the 3 jokers! Interesting 🤔
Arris I love you, you got me into batman comics
Nice to see someone else do a breakdown apart from EnergencyAwesome
zero year is my favourite joker origin especially the end when its revealed the OG red hood is found dead and no one knows who he is
wow! i didn't know it was coming this month!
Hey arris do you think you can do a video on all the hulks in movies and find out which ones the strongest and weakest
You can watch the Motion Comic of The Killing Joke here on RUclips
never read the comic, but what stuck out to me, is that batman's laughter appears to always be the lower laughing when they laugh together. and then the top laughter stops.
you could take it further. his first laugh was at the top of the screen and get dragged down until he's left alone, on a lower level. well done, artists.
Please make a history of flashpoint video, because season 3 of the series will be based on that storyline.
I own the killing joke, and it's one of my favorite batman storylines ever, probably my 5th favorite, behind in order:the dark knight returns, year one, the long halloween, and dark victory :)
The Killing Joke was in my first ever comic purchase... Did not disappoint.
2:45
WHERE IS HE *in best christian bale impression*
With the new info about the three Jokers, maybe Batman kill one of the Jokers and the old Joker (Jerry Robinson's character) appears in the rest of comics that were publish later. Then, on 2008 (Batman Rip's story) and 2012 (Death Of The Family arc), the new and more violent Joker make his first appearence. Mmm... interesting theory
Killing Joke kinda reminds me of Faust- a man dissatisfied with his job, enters a pact with the devil, that deal costs the life of his wife and child and his sanity
but what did he get in return?? i see nothing
To be able to provide for his family (Yeaa, it's a little wishy washy) So the main difference is that the Faust character meets his devil after he is married not before; also not his wife but he himself becomes insane
Saw it and it was amazing
I'm going to see The Killing Joke at my local theater for a one night special. Hopefully it's worth the hype.
Hey Arris, can you do a Vigilante (Greg Sanders) history of episode?
"Turning off the flashlight" made me think of Joaqim Phoenix's version of the Joker. The system that was meant to help him with his mental health problems was turned off. It was his "flashlight". I think its a statement in regards to crime and mental illness. You see this sort of thing, these sorts of people in the real world. The fact that this help is coming from someone who might just be as crazy (Dude wearing a Batsuit) doesn't really help that trust. So that leaves the system/Batman with the quandary of what can we do for these people if they don't want to stop, if they don't want to be rehabilitated so the end is left ambiguos because we don't have an actual answer for that. Do we rely on things like capital punishment?
I was secretly hoping he would also include the innocent man epilogue piece.
The Killing jokes joker origin was teased In a record tape in Arkham city
if this is in your TOP 3 favorite stories of all time, what are the other two?
can you do a series for beginners? like what should we start reading? for DC the new 52 right? what about marvel? also i like miles morales i read all of your reading recommendations in his origin video what else should i read about miles? please reply i'm a big fan of variant comics you guys are the reason that i that i got interested in comics.
Gr8 video man
Hi Arris, Can u please make a video of the Very Famous Teen Titans Comic: The Judas Contract?
The actual killing joke in the last two pages is by far my favorite part because of how well batman and the joker are compared together as one and the same, it's just that one took the right path (across the beam) and one is too scared to do it and stays mad. The whole reason batman kills the joker is because he realizes that he can't fix the Joker because he can't bring himself to walk across the beam even with the help of batman (shining the light).
I'm watching this tonight in theaters!
One night only, though.
With the three jokers I feel like that is more of a definitive joker story as it stands more of a sequel to the Killing joke
would you be able to do an episode on who is the fastest flash
Also this would explain how joker is unpredictable no one knows what his motive is until it happens. Each person has different ideas but share one thing their hatred for batman
Does anybody know when the killing joke animated movie is coming out? I can't find an exact date anywhere
Dude... Can you please do a vid on the pics released of Wally West's new flash costume and the other pic with Daniel West???
You said Killing Joke was one of your top 3 comics of all time, what would your other two favs be out of curiosity?
what if that joker was killed, since in Darkseid Wars (might not be the case), the chair of knowledge said that there were three jokers
I watched this even though I have the graphic novel sitting behind me on my shelf :D
The art by brian bolland and brillent story and dioluague by alan moore easly a masterpeice of comic book literature by far the the best batman joker story nothing can top the brilliance that is alan Moore's the killing joke
I was in america, i bought that (killing joke) the dark knight returns, Zero year and The full Endgame storyline. Amazing Graphic novels
Hi Arris since you mentioned the Joker and Harley Quinn figure how about doing a episode or two were you recommend figure (individuals or lines) that you think who collect.
I just realized that maybe jk Simmons got buff for Gordon to do the killing joke in the future
i just saw the killing joke on a website and its awsome
This is hands down my favorite comic. But i haven`t read a lot of comics so yeah...
I can't wait to see this movie!!
This is in my top 10 comics of all time
if this is one of your top three what are your other 2?!!! make a video on them!
What are Arris' other two favorite comics? (Watchmen?)
One of my favorite comics