The real problem of the video is that for some champions you chose "worst" as "broken" ability, while for others "worst" as "filler or underwhelming". It produces really weird results like LeBlanc being there because W is too broken while Wukong being there because passive is too simple.
Agree. Vars needed to decide on which definition of "worst" he was going for in this video, because as is, the results are all over the place. The criteria ranges from "too broken/useless or underwhelming/thematically inconsistent/boring" depending on the champ.
LB's worst design ability is definitely passive. Most of the time its 0.5 sek of untargetability for free and it saves her ass for just existing rather then deception more then it should
I feel like Zilean could have been in "Passive" since it's just kind of annoying to use given how you have to be there right when the ally is about to lvl up and u need to have been undamaged for like 15 seconds.
i think it's awesome, If you play him support the adc is there to level up most of the time and on mid i love giving it to my jungler since zilean is the strongest when there's someone he can keep buffing and get them to engage, the stronger they are the better
@@flameofmage1099 Worse* his old passive was gigabroken just not a satisfying level for both people playing him and those going against him, now it's just shit all around.
It sucks on paper but it's integral to his playstyle. The passive part of the skill is something he absolutely needs to hit and run instead of hit and die
@@islixxn talon's E, Katarina resets... that's him being bias and shitting on things he finds strong instead of "bad designed" the vid got annoying pretty fast
Honestly Soraka's passive is crucial because it helps supps with the eternal problem - people running away from them when they're just trying to heal them
The title seems a bit misleading. Since the tierlist is inconsistent with the idea of whether the ability is their worst ability, or their worst designed ability. These can be completely different abilities on some champions.
Rammus one trick checking in before the video’s release: Imo it has to be his R. His basic abilities are all necessary, R only serves as engage or disengage, both of which can be substituted by Q or flash. The damage is negligible and knock up is tough to hit multiple opponents, at which point E is better as CC. Rammus worked without it before the rework, and it’s still not as important as the other abilities. There’s a reason why we level it up at 6, 17, and 18.
Vars be biting off more he can chew with this vid. His inconsistent logic and bias leads to a real mix of good and bad takes. Would be fun if he could revisit this with more care and split up the roster by role
agreed, some of these choices is just the one annoying or broken abillity and not the worst designed, i was really sad to see gnars q instead of his w 3hit passive or e dash thats like half a screen
Neekos passive just does so little and breaks so easily and has such a long cd-at least her W has a move speed, camo, and damage amp aspect edit: her PASSIVE, inherent glamour, is all im talking about. the W clone is decent, but her passive alone is not that useful besides hiding Pop Blossom for most of the windup, but as soon as you get auto'd or grazed by an ability from an enemy you will have that disguise broken mid-cast.
@@longforari funny thing is sylas woulda been fine as is just adjust he’s numbers and nerf the ult a little but now he’s a burst mage assassin Like all the rest because of people screaming opppppp when I’m practice he wasn’t bad because he’s damage was mostly on he’s q now it’s on everything and he can’t tank one ability from new champs he’s a terrible champ now cus people over blew how strong he was
Neeko is STILL toxic he can harass you from behind your own minions easily and so much team fight potiential she has superfluous abilities but other wise annoying
''Jarvan has no bad abilities'' The fact he has two half-abilities in his kit is such a joke, since with modern champion designe his W and E would be one single ability. So you can put Jarvan into two tiers.
His W we dont even need to talk about. Maybe its just the numbers because in theory its fine for a diver but compared to say Renek Q or darius Q it just doesnt compete in terms of protection against multiple people. His E,Q dash i still think is quite interesting but giving him and allies attack speed? As a tanky diver with a passive that literally goes against it by having a cooldown per enemy. Feels wasted imo
Jarvan legitimately only has one ability, he dashes at a target and knocks up anyone on his path while getting attack speed. W is so irrelevant it might as well not exist. cool, I got 2% HP shield. basically a rune as an ability.
@@itsyourguyskye yea i agree that they do synergise its just that his W numbers are so low. And the fact that of all the 'extra' bonus effect of his ability is an attack speed buff for a tanky diver is just so odd
The list kinda went from what's badly designed to what's broken for some champions, I get that a broken ability is not awesome design but like chosing gnar's q that has the fun minigame you mentioned over a 3 hits passive that takes an ability slot just because q is annoying is a bit much... Apart from these I liked the video
That's because some champions don't have a "bad ability" when compared to some of the older champions. Case and point: Yone. So you instead have to go with what's absurd.
@@muizzkazi5432 On a bad designed list (which this is), Yone E would easily be the pick. On old champs, he still went for bad design (see Malph Q being opposite of his engage gameplay), but Gnar Q is well designed.
@@oneofthe12sionmains70 i will never understand why he didnt choose the 3 hit passive instead of a fun to use skillshot with multiple uses (throw backwards and dont catch to increase range)
@@oneofthe12sionmains70 if we're going by ability power, Yone's W is practically useless outside of trading in early laning. I honestly like Yone's E and I don't really understand the hate it gets, it has the skill expression of using its dash to dodge abilities and the movement speed he gets is kind of annoying on some champs, but then again, Yasuo E? Irelia Q? Zed W? Fizz E? Pyke W/E your pick? Katarina E? Kassadin ult? Ekko E? all of these practically do the same thing but can also be used to run away. Yone is the most comfortable one out of these to play against. as an immobile character don't walk up when he has empowered Q and that's about it
I know this isn't an unbiased video, but I feel like sometimes just choosing the "unfair" ability is a little too easy. Like Cassiopeia's W is frustrating because not that many champs have grounding, but without it she couldn't be a complete champion. It's only really game breaking against mobile melee champions, and even then it's pretty hard to use. Against a mage with skill shots or an ADC with significant AA dps, the ground holds them in place but doesn't stop their damage output, so landing it can help you secure the kill when you have advantage or help you escape when you're in disadvantage, but it doesn't flip the script, which is what I would personally call "broken". But that's just my two cents :)
I agree, the video started good by choosing abilities that didn't synergize or stayed behind compared to the other abilities, but then started getting into "This ability is just unfair" which would fit more the theme of a "Most hated/broken abilities for each champion" instead
So it is badly designed as it completely fucks over few champions while being usefull against everybody else regardless. I remind you that miasma still slows, so you can either chase or block of that mage or adc you mentioned, while also empowering Cassio's E reducing enemy's outplay potential (dodging just Q isn't enough).
@@rawen160 by that logic every instance of cc is "a badly designed ability that fucks over a few champs and is useful against everybody else". Is not like you cant walk out of it.
Vars: The worst ability on a champion stands for an ability that doesn't fit their playstyle/ gimmick all too well Also Vars: Leblanc W is SO good on her
@@ToasteBlade In fact, that sounds like the reason is her worst ability. It could maybe heal or shield a bit more or reduce his mana cost a bit to not get oom with 3 w.
also her w gives a shield and her w empowered passive is literally so gamebreakingly good idk what he was thinking. i would say sona fits the no bad abilities tier.
As an Ivern main, there are no useless abilities, and if you really want one then it’s W, not Daisy. Daisy is literally a compliment to his catcher play style because she has a chase and knock up combo with his q. She also has the ability to give a solo Ivern some level of threat with her being targeted with his E to be a aoe slow and damage nuke. W has some really big problems, Ivern can decide to take them down so you need to be sure that the enemy can’t use it within the next 30 seconds, only give a few seconds of vision, and only gives an ok damage buff in the bush making you a sitting duck if you want to take a fight with it. Iverns that try to use it will just lose out on any chasing or defensive power.
I will argue that Ashes kit is perfect. The E grants global vision for you so you know wether or not to use your global ultimate. Or to scout the jungle to know if its okay to push. Shes really solid.
@@MrKatzenminze ??? Problematic would be tristanas passive. Ashes w is telegraphed and easy to sidestep behind minions. I just gives her the ability to proc her passive on multiple targets
yeah for sure, every other champ in the game has to track the enemy jungler to know what they can't and cannot do, and ashe can just reveal one half of the jungle off cooldown, really interactive and cool
You're gonna get crushed on comments for not being consistent with the criteria, if an ability being uninteractive bothers you with Qiyana's grass Q/Garen's R, what were you thinking with Veigar and Syndra's ults? Also due to power budget some abilities must be op or nearly useless for balance matter, it is what it is. Btw Bard W feels like shit idc if it's good, not really useful in combat, low skill expression, it has to charge itself and doesn't work with the rest of their kit besides abandoning the ADC
Trust me, Veigar's R is the shittiest abilities in his Kit It is the worst for different reason, it doesn't work Passive is gold cheat, Q is reliable damage, W provide the needed damage and works well when being chase, E is one of the best basic ability his R execute just sucks you have to be really fed to be able to do Q R one shot, like if you give the gold needed to make it happen to Zed, he can probably just R auto E to kill you, it's so bad and once you reached late game you kill people by E>W>Q, you don't even need R R on tanks is useless and squishy died before needing ult The defining characteristic of his ult, the execute is completely redundant. R maxes damage out at 33.3%, if you deal 66.67% damage with just Q+W, why would he need double damage for his R? the target will still died even without this bonus damage Other R execute champs like evelynn gets away with it because they have utility Other champs have good execute because it isn't on their fucking ultimate it is such a baffling decision on why they gave this to Veigar
@@326inminecraft you sound a bit bad. Veigar's ult is so good cuz you don't need to hit it, they can dodge one of your abilities but there's no way to dodge the ult. when playing against Veigar his ult is by far his most annoying part, if you're below 40% HP you're effectively dead and he doesn't even need to land anything. at least Syndra needs to have some balls on the ground.
@@326inminecraft i mean.....veigar r is one of his strongest abilities alongside his e, its free damage that u cannot avoid for 99% of champs. his w is an easily missed ability without his e his q is really short ranged and is for farming mostly. so
What is LeBlanc’s worst ability Vars? “Distortion. It is such a good ability. That makes it so annoying.” The guy can’t even follow the rules of his own list after talking about how he’s judging them for 2 and a half minutes: which ability is the worst “either in power, or relevance, or impact, or design.”
and its not like its a hard question, her ult is literally just one of her basic abillities with more damage. not even longer root or anything like karmas very similar ult
@@18ncarbonara thats just a vague thing to say, ''yeah this ability isnt well made cause its just too good'' like? wheres the logic exactly, her w is her entire kit basically, he said kindread r is bad like???? wheres the logic
@@opportunity3278 So I'm not saying I agree with all his takes, however I do think his logic is mostly consistent. "Too good" really means too much of a champions power budget exists in this ability. For instance Pyke R. Having a Champions kit revolve around a single ability is really unfun to play against. I actually like Kindred's R, but if you watch a lot of Var's videos, he has pretty strong convictions about characters abiding by their class archetypes which Kindred R obviously does not. Again I don't agree with that take of his, but I wasn't surprised at all to see that.
Apologies for the wall of text but, as a WW main: easily his W. Yes it's his iconic 'hunt you down' ability but it's an over glorified passive. You lose the bonus movement speed if the champion is hiding behind another person, hit by even a stray minion auto or in combat and is buggy half the time your run on it. Yes the attack steroid is great but these could have been his passives. Nerf the values, make it scale per level and give him an actual W. Even the active portion of the W could just be like kindred where you select a champion that's revealed and in range. Due to this, his power budget is shafted to his Q which is his only damaging ability apart from his ult. Looking at it from process of elimination, his W is still the worse. His Q is overtuned (again only damaging base ability) dealing pretty good scaling damage, max health AND healing him. On top of that, it can allow warwick to follow dashing champions by just holding the ability (also useful for dodging skill shots). Primal Howl is an also an amazing ability for a diver, giving him straight damage reduction that also has hard cc at the end of the duration or recast. As for his ult: it a long range gap closer that suppresses someone, damages them and heals him. Yes its hard to hit, but that's because riot made his hitbox the size of a yordle (not joking look this up). As a result, W is defacto the worse: a janky, conditional MS steroid that has an absurd cooldown and an attack speed steroid that, while pretty good, could have just been a passive. (edit: grammar) (Edit 2: didn’t know that passives were included. Doesn’t change the fact that W is worse. Passive is on hit damage that synergies with W and heals him for damage dealt, increasing if he’s low on health. Perfect for what he wants to do.)
I wouldn't say it's a bad ability if it had like 20 second cooldown. But HOLY it has 120 - 60 seconds cooldown. That's a cooldown of R on BASIC GODDAMN ABILITY, which is bugged as fuck.
I think you let your bias get ahead of on a few champions, conflating "abilities that don't work with their kit/class" and "abilities I don't like" In order, I think the ones you did this on are Cassiopia, Evelynn, Fiddlesticks, Fiora, Gangplank, Garen, GNAR, Gragas, Graves, Gwen, Illaoi, Irelia, Karthus, Kayn, LEBLANC, Lulu, Malzahar, Master Yi, Nocturne, Olaf, Pyke, Qiyana, Rengar, Samira, Senna, Seraphine, Sett, SINGED (what?!), Tahm Kench, Talon, Tryndamere, Veigar, Yasuo, Yone and Yummi. I'm not saying that these aren't necessarily bad in the context of their kit, but for all of these you just listed 'this ability is uninteractive or annoying or broken' as the reason, unlike the rest of the champions which you gave a reason for them not fitting. In terms of how they are meant to be played, I highly disagree with Eveylnn, Fiora, Gnar, Gragas, Irelia, Karthus, LeBlanc, Master Yi, Olaf, Pyke, Qiyana, Senna, Seraphine, Sett, SINGED (again, why?!), Tryndamere, and Yummi. Replacing the abilities you listed would make the champion completely different than how they are now, and those abilities absolutely fit in their kit
@@Taran_MVP Thanks, but looking back I think I even missed a few. Its hard to tell because he spends half the video complaining. Really wish he'd just stick to analysis, if I wanted to hear someone whine about broken champions I'd just hop into ranked queue
Kai'sa's w does WAY too much damage when building AP, but if it's tweaked, it works really well. It works well with her ultimate, allowing her to engage from far away and take advantage of her close range damage. It also allows her to poke a bit if her opponent doesn't stay behind minions.
i really enjoy the fun tier lists. these are fun to watch while playing a card game or eat something. Its just relaxing. Maybe some can use them to sleep or something. Keep it up, they are awesome. :D One thing i didnt like about this tier list in particular tho: you went from worst to worst designed/most frustrating very fast. I know this is a fun tier list, but it felt you would rank the most useless ability of an champion, but most of the time it was actually just the most frustrating part in the kit, which isnt always the worst part. If you know what i mean. Other then that it was a fun list. :)
I agree with you for Vars to make more of this type of content between his “serious” uploads, it’s just fun to watch, I like to see him explaining why he chose that ability and give us context for that choice, makes you ponder about what is good, bad, toxic or filler for the game
i feel like the reason xerath passive is on his autos to make him come foward so if your a dive champ he has a moment of weakness for you to punish him on
Trust me, while it isn’t much. Aatrox passive is a great part of his kit and is kinda necessary for him to play jungle (yes I play aatrox jungle sue me). It also is a big part of his early damage and sustain since you can get 2 off in one fight if you get a couple autos off. Still it’s not that good compared to his other tools
Yeah but as said in the video you could change it by anything else and it won't matter that much and about jubgle aatrox they can just buff the damage of Q on monsters and he will be meta
@@GORK3411 you could, but in my experience, it brings the *major* importance of the sword more front and center with a simple but powerful thrust, one which takes the flesh it slices to regenerate the darkin. It's a great part of his kit that fits into Aatrox's story nicely
i think taliyahs passive is fine as she uses it to roam a lot on the map and that ties in to her wanderer theme. every other ability in her kit focuses on the fact that she is a stonewever. i also think its a good ability in game as she can use it to get around the map quickly to pressure the enemy into more bad situations while establishing controlle.
Qiyana gets the same passive on her W for free where she gets ms near walls (also in the river and brushes. So everywhere) AND she can use it in fights. She still gets a primary passive that’s useful in a fight. It makes no sense that a champion’s secondary passive is objectively better that another champion’s primary passive. Taliyah’s passive could be better
I had a random concept idea for how Xerath's passive could be changed a long time ago. I thought it would be cool if he could regenerate mana by forming into his sarcophagus shape and channeling, becoming immobile and incapable of using abilities, but if he finishes the channel without taking champion damage it gives him a chunk of his mana back. Make it have a long cooldown or not give much mana early game but scale its power up later to have a low cooldown or give more mana lategame. Think it might give enemies more clearcut windows of vulnerability to engage on him or his team since he would have to stand still and finish the entire channel to actually get the benefit.
Thats just less interactive. You realise they made Xerath autoattack for mana because they didnt want him to hang back at 1000units range without any windows for counterplay.
Mana surge is good in early game due to his large mana cost and the need to poke alot. And if your passive would've been implemented, it probably would've been useless at any point of the game. In early game you can't regen alot of mana making your pokes scarce. And in the late game, where your passive supposedly would've been useful, Xerath would've finished his luden's, or liandry's, both of them giving alot of mana. This passive is a bad idea. It's bad on every stage of the game, when theres a big fight happening and it doesn't end in 20 seconds, and you lose mana, you're much better auto attacking atleast so you can use your Q once or twice. But when you turn into the sarcophagus, you're leaving your team at a large disadvantage because the fight turns into a 4v5. It's better to stay in the fight and auto attack to get your Q faster, than to leave your team for a long time so you can use more of your abilities later
How is draven passive not a bad ability? Also twitch w, since the lethal tempo changes, is totally useless unless you are building ap. At least the passive has the stacking mechanic for the e
Every other comment already said it, but there were two champions that were in close succession to each other that I had to point out. Shaco's worst ability from a design standpoint is his E. It's point-n-click single target damage that slows. It's lazy. The rest of his kit makes sense from a lore standpoint, which means it also makes sense from an identity standpoint. Shaco's a trickster clown, so he gets jack-in-the-boxes, he backstabs you, he clones himself, and can vanish in a puff of smoke. It's all annoying, but at least it all adds to the champion. His E is just a filler tool to help him trade. The other champion is Singed. His Q is easily his best designed ability. The rest of his kit is ass. His passive is there to reinforce the fact that he's hard to chase, but that doesn't help his gameplay, it just pays homage to a gameplay meme (never chase Singed). It doesn't add anything to how you play him, you're barely going to notice it. You get a movement speed buff when you've already reached your enemy, or as you pass a teammate. You aren't going to be passing your backline, so you really only trigger this between 0 and 2 times, depending on how many OTHER tanks your team has for you to stand next to. Triggering the speed as you reach an enemy only helps if your plan is to bypass the enemy frontline for their backline, but even then, the speed boost is negligible. As for his W, he literally spills a giant blot of glue on the ground to slow you. For a mad scientist who dabbles in chemical warfare, GLUE cannot be among his repertoire of threatening concoctions, that's just pathetic. His E is him literally just throwing you so that it can synergize with the lazy ass ability that is his W. His ult, thematically is great, he drinks a cocktail brew of steroids he made himself, and gains a ton of stats. Unfortunately, stat steroid abilities are just the epitome of laziness. His ult and Q are fine, but the rest of his kit needs a hard looking at. For a chemist, he needs more than just "gas leak" and "steroid injection". He could have a Twisted Fate "Pick a Card" style ability where he cycles through some drugs to throw at you, or have that ability be him selecting a drug to drink. His E could be him taking an adrenaline shot, causing SInged to do a short dash into a wall, where he takes recoil damage, and stuns people around him. His passive just needs to be something fucked up, like a drug tolerance, so his abilities won't cost him any health (adverse effects of taking weird drugs) on a cooldown.
Most of these I either agree, or don't know the champ enough to say. But I disagree with Glasc. I would put her passive. Her E being both lane poke and an aoe shield at the same time makes it a very versatile enchanter tool. Her passive is more filler damage than her E because interactively it's just Leona passive but only your autos apply it and only one person can be marked at a time. (I also fail to see the logic for sona w)
As an enchanter main myself I agree. Enchanters from the head start have a bit undervealming or just simple abilities. Yeah, heal won't be a skill shot since it makes your job of positioning and carefully and constantly prioritizing an ally just a nightmare. No Yasuo, I won't flash to try and heal you with my skillshot that you will either dodge with E or block with W.
@@opportunity3278 true but he can still dodge it with E or flash. If it were a skillshot anyway. I can't tell you how many times allies have sidestepped my Lux W's 😡
@@opportunity3278 I am aware, I'm meming it, but you know how you can be flamed as a support when you don't do everything to save an ally, even when your abilities are on CD or you don't have mana...
Really makes zero sense for her and is easily her worst ability. Could have done something way more creative! Makes farming slightly nicer but that's it
This tier list could have been more interesting if you stuck to one definition of “worst ability”. You seemed to waffle between the meaning of “least meaningful” and “worst to deal with”
Love your content vars but as others have been saying this was really inconsistent and confusing :( It flip flopped between a champs worst ability like the title says, to their most broken ability. Like with Le Blanc, your reasoning was that her W is a good ability, which is the exact opposite of the title. I'd be interested in seeing this revisited as kind of a 'what ability could we replace to make this champ more 5000 years of design' if that makes sense. If you do revisit it I'd love to see the criteria laid out more so it's easier for us to follow and without the 'no bad abilities' category! ♥♥
I think lillia's worst ability is her passive, her q, w and r are burst/hit and run while her e slows the targets to helping in land rigth q and w on top of trigger her speed buff to catch them. her passive is just a dot which has no sense in a full burst champ. She cant even interact with it like malzahar, cassiopeia or brand (true dot users), is just a restriction for her ultimate and it punish you for land all the kit at the same time because you lose passive damage (when a burst mage should throw all at the same time to get the max damage). I think that her q passive (the speed buff) is a way better passive for her than her real passive.
As soon as he put the "no bad ability" tier i knew he was gonna contradict himself Sometimes an ability was judged based on how it impacts/impacted the game/meta and other times based on ability design. Sometimes he justified an ability for being integral to a kit while other times he criticized an ability even while being integral to the kit. Anyway since we can't actually point out everytime he contradicted himself i just wanted to do all his "perfect" champs for my own satisfaction Bard: the shrines Braum: q, a poke ability to apply his passive could be replaced by something else to aid his engage? Draven: i forgot which one it is but the one that gives free stats for a while Jarvan: e, putting down a flag that gives stats isn't the best ability for a diver (but i can't think of how to redesign it without losing his signature engage) Jhin: q, it's really good just a little worse compared to everything else he has Jinx: passive, if u can get a takedown then u don't need bonus stats to help teamfight Khazix: w, poke on an assassin? Ik it heals close range but then heal on an assassin? Leona: w, just a shield that explodes. Could be made better Lux: passive, it's fine ig but a burst mage shouldnt need dps and since there's no ability she can spam to keep procing it the dps is minimal anyway Nami: the bounce heal, it's kinda unreliable as a heal/damage since u can't control it Nunu: passive, it's fine but could be something better or something that synergiezes with his kit better Orianna: not qualified to choose Pantheon: w, same as jhin just the worse out of everything he has Poppy: not qualified to choose Rammus: ult, it's an average engage that's all nothing wrong with it Renekton: q, the healing it gives is non existent Syndra: not qualified to choose Thresh: ult, could be better designed to accomplish what it already does. Nothing wrong just underwhelming Urgot: q, check the comments Velkoz: not qualified to choose Viktor: not qualified to choose Volibear: passive, it's fine but he doesn't need it much Warwick (as a main): e, worse compared to everything else he has Xayah: not qualified to choose Zac: ult, it gets a job done but underwhelming Ziggs: e, the slow helps but its just lazy Zilean: not qualified to choose Zyra: not qualified to choose
Urgot's ult synergizes with his kit really well and reducing it down to "Skillshot execute" is reductive. You use it at range extremely rarely, and it's at its strongest when you're in the middle of the teamfight fight which suits where he wants to be, with its AOE fear making it an amazing teamfighting ability, while you need to stay alive during the pull in the middle of the enemy team. And it's also a slow since urgot's biggest struggle is his mobility, half the time an urgot IS actually using it at range, it's not for the execute, it's just for the slow to hit E. And the ult is mainly used after you hit E so the slow also lets you rotate around someone to get his shotgun knees off. If you replace urgot's ult with anything else, urgot becomes a far less interesting champion even if you replace it with something stronger. It's also the ability most in tune with his lore because it's the aspect of his kit that draws on urgot deifying survival. Someone has to survive those 4 seconds to pass his test and prove they can survive. The "Impressive" Voiceline alone when someone survives does so much for his personality. It's the perfect ability, mixing in risk and reward to make a multi-tool of an ult to compliment his kit which people only recognize as "Oh, 30% execute. Yawn." Despite there being plenty of other ults that while they may not be executes can do over 30% of your HP quicker and usually more point and click. I'll defend urgot's ult anyday. It takes skill to use it to full effect and you'll see a massive difference in how a bad urgot uses it compared to a good one. Compared to an actually badly designed ult like a Garen ult. Which is just a point and click remove HP.
@@ME-ee8vg while all ur points are valid and i didn't know it feared (mb) i still think compared to the rest of his kit it's a bit worse but now I'm having doubts. What would u choose to be his worst ability?
@@orange1890 If I had to choose one, it'd probably be Q. It's too mana hungry early game with mediocre damage so it's completely unremarkable as a poking tool and it may as well have no damage at all lategame. The entire purpose in urgot's kit is to slightly slow someone so you can get close enough for E. And sure it's nice to have, it just doesn't work if anyone you're fighting has any mobility or common sense at all. A slight slow and running at someone makes you predictable. It just opens you up to outplays or dodging your E. You're never really advised to go for using it to run someone down unless you're already ahead. For any slightly even matchup, you want to use flash to hit your E to give as little time to react as possible because if you miss it you die. The most useful thing it has, is it's pretty good at securing cannons because W toggle is unreliable for csing.
I don't see the issue with Seraphine's ultimate if we're judging off of design alone. Sure its frustrating to go against, but so are ton of other abilities that are well designed. As for the lack of understanding on why it resets for every champion, and that shes unfair to other wave ultimates, it all comes down to her thematic. She's 'charming' and gaining stans, that sorta fanbase & music and such is infectous and grows rapidly which is why the continued length makes so much sense. Where as for Renata & Nami (the only other wave ults) nothing of similar notion applies to them (although as a nami main i think it should be longer or faster in river personally to help her out in jungle fights & add a dynamic to her enchanter gameplay but im biased). In no way is Seraphine the best designed champion in league, but for her thematic & class her abilities and passive really do fit her character super well. I hope this helps maybe?
Hard disagree with Shen, there’s been instances in every game where it has made a difference in whether I win a trade or not, can add up a lot during a fight. It can also block CC auto attacks and empowered auto attacks. If you’re fighting a Jax for example in the early game that makes a massive difference whether or not you come out on top. So I argue, Shen has no bad abilities.
I enjoy this type of video content because it opens up some more discussion. For your choices I will disagree with you on two choices Tahm's E and Ornn's Passive. Tahm's E to me is a simpler one to explain for me. The gameplay around it isn't what you think but it makes sense when you understand it. Compared to Sett's W. Tahm's E is the opposite. Forcing him to use his E alot makes him have to play much more scared and passively. He is meant to be able to stick around and apply pressure as a tank. Tanks need some sort of map presence sticking power. Because tanks are usually not the most damaging or the hardest shoving. Infact they are meant to take damage. Making him use a big shield means he doesn't get it back with healing. And the only use he has once that's gone is poking with Q or trying to save someone with his ult. This same kind of logic applies with Ornn. He is the only tank in the game that has no sustain, shield ,or a damage resist of some kind in his kit. And that's okay. he gains that through his passive. Being able to keep up pressure by flexibly building what he needs to be relevant. It is a fantastic way of breaking a rule, you break the rule and give him something powerful but take away something fundamental. And it mixes up people's usual perception of tanks, most of the time when you are a tank people always pull the "you're a tank you don't need farm" but if you actively take EXP away from Ornn... you take away the late game power of Ornn. While I agree the free stats might be a bit... much. I often don't think they are broken? Stats don't mean much late game if the players don't utilize them well. Ornn is a knowledge reliant champion. But that whole part of his playstyle goes out the window without passive. And he becomes a somewhat skill expressive CC bot without it. Anyway great video I like quick thought dumps like this. Makes some interesting conversation and thoughts. If you read this Thank you And I hope you have a great day.
Love how most of them are placed due to being genuinely bad abilities, or because they don't fit with the thematics of the character. And then we get characters like Camille and Casseiopeia where you place them because they're too good
"Reminder: Each champions 'worst' ability is based on the context of their kit and its design, not if it's useless or underpowered" Except when it's too strong and you don't like fighting it lmao. There was a pretty long segment around that exact time where it's like you forgot that this is the champions worst ability, and just went with the abilities you liked the least. Gangplank, Graves, Gwen, Gragas.
Actually defining the criteria for worse abilities would have been nice. I'm aware this is a biased vid but the constant jumps between, actually shit designed abilities and "I hate this because I don't like playing against it", and just "boring" but it's very fitting for their kit as a whole, makes this, difficult to watch
Defend yourself: Case - Rell. Q is Shield Breaking, very important and requires good timing. W is the most important and worst designed ability on Rell. Go in, no matter if you hit the enemy or not, you are stuck in the middle of the enemy and with very low MS.
It is cool, but nowadays it would be turned into a secondary passive while he has an op passive that idk, revive everyone as mobile soldiers or some weird shit
Disagree on Cassio' W being broken, since now a new champion having either dashes, blinks, movements buffs and so on seems to be the norm; and cassio not having any form of quick movement outside of her passive... feels like a fair ability to me. Plus most of the time W is thrown horizontally, which means enemies will stay there for 0.5 sec tops.
As a content creator that's normally precise and understandable, you made this tier list really hard to understand and gauge. Your definition of "worst" should have been defined at the start. It's a fantastic idea though and still enjoyed the concept.
Brand's E is one of the most unfair abilities in the game, defenetly no skill high reward and akshan's passive is one of the signs that leagues champion design has been really uncreative and overloaded on purpose which is really weird and unnatrual, I think those 2 cases should be their worst abilities
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel this video has an inherent contradiction. It swaps from badly designed abilities like trynda ult to useless abilities like teemo w. In general what a bad ability is, is not defined.
Vars, I think you should've been a bit more consistent with your rating. You rated some abilities based on weakness and others based on strength. Perhaps you should've stuck to one or the other, but it's confusing to go for both at the same time because now we have no idea if you're listing abilities you hate, abilities that are op, or abilities that are too weak.
Nah Evelynn’s has to be her E. Design wise it’s the most boring one, just an extra damage attack with some upside (tiny dash and move speed buff) but it’s so dull Her ult makes Eve Eve. It’s her only form of safety
Rell's Q is a utility spell. It heals more than illaoi's q, plus it heals an ally and it destroy shield. It is not a filler damage spell, but a utility spell nickyboi memed on her damage being non-existent. When you look at a protecting tank, why do you seek out damage in their kit. Why do people keep comparing her to leona when she is closer to a taric with a dive in?
I hate to hate Rell, the concept is awesome, but the gameplay experience feels so bad to me. Imo any other tank support either has more CC / less all or nothing engage. Her AA is awful, give her a way to clear wards faster for god sake
Predictions for the champs I play and can be bothered with: Shyvana's is Q - her E takes too much of her power budget to be here, and her W gives her much-needed sticking power with its MS. The R is her only form of a dash, and while its unstoppable doesn't actually work, it's still needed. Thresh - R. CC-wise, it's Veigar cage but worse, and only in super long games do you get enough souls for it to be worth it damage-wise Taric - E I guess? All his abilities are pretty good, the Q is insane healing and passive spam, the W is what lets his kit work, and his R can make or break entire games Rell - Q. Negligible damage and healing, only really useful for applying a passive proc at longer range. Nasus - R, as everything else is kinda needed - Q is Q, W is his only real way of avoiding being dived, and is then a great chasing tool later, and E is how he farms before he can risk walking up to the wave Swain - W - the only time you're hitting this on someone with a brain is when you've hit them with E anyway, since without boots you can walk across its diameter before it goes off anyway. Morgana - R. I'll be honest, half the time I forget I even have this ability. It's not got the chain cc from her Q, it's not got the AOE burn spam application of her W, and it has nowhere near the same utility of being able to completely prevent AD champions from cc'ing you or an ally, while gutting any AP engage. Edit: yeah I didn't consider passive to be an option, that's on me
aw man, i kinda wish this list WAS actually about the worst abilities, not the most badly designed... the title is pretty misleading, at least. maybe we'll see a worst ability tier list in the future? but still great video
I gotta go through champs I play for this lol. Ranging from ones I main to ones I've used enough to give an opinion on and are worth discussing. Azir - passive maybe?? all of his main abilities are very useful and are made better by their synergy. At least with passive I can imagine playing him without having. his passive is also strong, but it has a long cooldown and basically doesn't exist until the mid-late game. When it is used, it requires your teammates to play around it if you want to get its maximum effect. Besides that, it can be used for sieging and pushing mid-lane, but it's not the best split pushing tool ever because side lanes are so long and you're using Azir's passive to protect yourself over trying to use it offensively in a teamfight. Also active passives are a bit awkward to use because I sometimes just accidentally activate it. You also can't use his passive in the jungle to fight over objectives, which is where something like it would hypothetically be the most broken. That said, his passive can still be a game changer in the right circumstances, it's just the most conditional part of his kit. Thresh - passive. Thresh wants to roam but his passive says that if he wants to be tanky, he needs to stay in lane. In order to collect souls safely, you might have to use lantern, but it's not usually worth using a powerful ability to permanently gain one stack. There are some off-meta Thresh builds designed completely around his passive, but as a roaming support, Thresh's passive is more of a drawback than a benefactor. Besides that, he's such a powerful and versatile champion due to how many applications his basic abilities have that he kinda needs to have a passive that holds him back. Like, his hook is arguably the strongest hook in the game, really only having direct competition with Blitzcrank, because landing his hook can be used for so many different scenarios due to it also being a 1.5 second stun and having a recast. His lantern can give any ally a dash. Abilities that give your allies more options are extremely powerful because it can circumvent champion weaknesses. Like, Thresh + Vanguard is super strong because his engage is difficult to land and his lantern gives Vanguards a free escape option while having a slightly less tanky but still very tanky frontliner to cover for them. His E is good for both engage, disengage, and combos, and his ult is very good for controlling space and it does a deceptively high amount of damage in exchange for requiring the enemy to either walk into it for no reason or comboing someone into the wall. Kalista - arguable whether it's q or w. The problem with Q is that it's two main purposes are jungle mobility, in-lane poke, and gap closing. It's not very good poke and adcs aren't exactly going to be spending years in the jungle. The gap closing is very minor, covering less distance than flash, but it's still useful in scenarios. It's just that Kalista has arguably both the strongest passive and ult in the game, especially for an adc, and her E is also a really strong execute due to being able to execute multiple people at once and resetting on killing anything, including minions, which makes it double as a good waveclear option, it also off-sets the one weakness of her passive. Then there is her W, which is sort of just thrown in there for fun. It still gives her %max health magic damage if her support is attacking the same target as her, which is worth mentioning. It also functions as a slightly clunkier version of Ashe's vision arrow, allowing Kalista to scout for the enemy jungler without putting herself at risk, and vision control is generally quite good, but it definitely doesn't give Kalista major combat pressure. The reason I said Kalista's ult is arguably the strongest in the game is that it's capable of breaking certain champions. I'm specifically talking about Rell, a very fair vanguard who's designed around having extremely strong engage with somewhat limitted range and duration, but she's primarily balanced around the fact that she has no disengage and can only go in once. So giving Rell what is effectively a Malphite Ult with upwards of two seconds of knock-up attached to upwards of 5 seconds of untargetability and enough range to cover almost a quarter of the map if the ult were to be cast and recast both from max range. That does just break the champion's balance. Her passive is arguably the strongest in the game because it means that as long as Kalista is in range to auto-attack something, she will have up to 2.5 dashes per second (barring Lethal Tempo). E just synergizes really well with her passive on top of being an individually strong execute. Between Q and W, I'd hesitantly give it to W because its combat pressure is really minor due to having a cooldown on its effect and Kalista otherwise being designed around backloaded damage and the benefits of her W's vision probably being less effective than just.. having another combat ability that works well with her kit. Her Q lets her access her passive without needing to auto attack, even if it's on a cooldown and there are niche outplays where Q > E can instantly kill two people while W doesn't have that effect. It's mostly that I'm valuing Q's somewhat niche combat pressure and neutral over W's vision control and sustain. I think Kalista would still be powerful if either ability was taken, but I think she'd feel the loss of Q stronger than W. Janna - Passive. It's not that it's bad, but it's such a minor effect that can only really be used to make disengage slightly more effective. I feel like even without her passive, Janna would still have incredibly powerful disengage. I'm picking it because it's not very flashy and I've never really had a moment where I was like "oh shit, Janna's passive saved my ass." Vel'koz - all of his abilities are good for different reasons, it's hard to pick. I'd go with maybe e...? Q is extremely powerful and long range, can't remove that, passive is true damage, w is good for both wave clear and stacking his passive, ult is instant cast steerable skillshot that does a crap ton of damage and stacks his passive quickly. Meanwhile, I still think his E is really strong. It's a good way to set up his combos, provide disengage, and knock-ups are the strongest non-displacement CC due to being functionally a stun that is unaffected by tenacity. That said, Velk's E is pretty low range considering the rest of his kit and it's difficult to land, so it's mostly a disengage tool that can occasionally be used to combo his W into and it can function as good follow-up CC for the rest of the team. The ability also is nice for waveclear due to being an AoE that applies his passive. It's not weak and it's still a big part of Velk's damage rotation, but it's still Velk's least reliable ability and his lowest range one. Neeko - she's funny in this discussion because I'm pretty sure Neeko mains tend to either think her passive is the most broken shit in the game or completely useless. Basically, you can pretend to be any champion in the game but the illusion breaks if you take any damage or use any ability. Neeko will inherent that champion's base MS and auto range (unless their auto range is longer than Neeko's). The passive also hides her ult and can be used with her W. The problem with her passive is that it's an active ability that's infinite value, but using that ability to its maximum value isn't possible because the enemy team knows that there's a Neeko running about. It's sort of the Zoroark problem, where Zoroark's gimmick is to trick the opponent into using moves that it's immune to or resists so that it has enough time to set up and sweep. The problem is that it's unreliable at best when used optimally because the opponent is going to know that every Pokemon you send out has a chance of being Zoroark because of team preview, which makes setting up Zoroark's ideal conditions basically impossible. I imagine that using Neeko's passive to its maximum effect would require you to have good macro, vision control, teammates that don't cast a lot of abilities and instead just run at you and auto attack, and a good sense of what's up in your enemies heads, and good team coordination. Which may make her sound like a pro-play champion, but she isn't because of the Zoroark dilemma. As a result, Neeko's passive is an infinite value ability where odds are stacked against her getting anything out of it. Improving at the ability is also difficult because it's hard to tell whether the opponent was fooled or just stupid. Personally, I think redesigning the ability to be somehow closer to the spy from TF2 would be potentially better, but I have no idea how Neeko would be able to do that considering fog of war and.. vision. Maybe an ability where she can swap places with someone and disguise herself as them alongside an ability that looks like that but she doesn't swap places? Idk. Second worst ability is Q, which feels like Seraphine Q but with less range and a smaller hitbox. (Bonus) Yuumi - W. Going untargettable is for cowards. A useless ability with no benefit. If you play Yuumi, don't use W. Become Jungle Cat. The Forest Calls To You. Jungle Cat. Become the Warrior Cat Yuumi was always meant to be.
A few more, tho these aren't champs I play as much (or I don't play them but I have friends who frequently do, so I've played with them a lot). I'm sort of imagining this as a gamemode where the player has to pick one ability to be removed from the champion but otherwise everything else remains the same. Rell - Q, it's biggest point is to destroy shields which can be really useful against champs like Sett, but overall, it does less damage than her auto attacks and heals, like, 20 HP. It is quite useless outside of specific match-ups. Teemo - Passive, it's awkward to use and is only really effective within fog of war, but if your enemy predicts it, you have just wasted a bunch of time for no reason. The benefits are also not particularly insane. It's an AS buff. Zillean - Passive, it doesn't activate that often, doesn't synergize with his kit, and functionally doesn't exist late-game. It can still be a huge boost early-game due to getting people to their level 6 faster. Shaco - E maybe? His passive isn't very useful on paper, but his kit is designed around it and it makes running away from him challenging. His Q, W, and Ult are all very powerful abilities, while his E is just point and click damage. Ranged damage and an execute, so not useless, but it's got less applications than the rest of his kit. Samira - passive, imagine if Samira didn't have to build up style to use her ult lol. I was gonna say Q because it's a neutral ability and a skillshot required to build up her passive to use ult, but then I realized "wait, what if she just didn't have to build up her passive to use ult?" Like, Samira's passive is definitely one of those abilities that exists to give the champion a drawback to properly balance her. Zoe - W, it's not part of her normal burst combo unless she gets certain powers determined by RNG. The reposition can be nice and it prevents enemies from flashing away from her, but the ability would be way stronger on a skirmisher than a burst mage. Senna - E, it's not necessarily useless, but the MS scales solely AP and isn't super significant. It also provides minimal combat pressure due to the long start-up time. For an ability that spreads some category of stealth to her teammates, it's surprisingly weak. Taric - Q. His Q has a long cooldown, takes up a bunch of mana, and does very little healing unless fully stacked. You can't get high stacks on it until you're high enough level, so it's a weak lane sustain tool. Stacking Q faster requires you to auto attack enemy champions, but you are a melee champion with no gap closers in a lane that typically fields one to two ranged opponents, so the juggernaut method of walk up and smack them really doesn't work here. The closest thing you have to compensation is a small AoE delayed straight-line skill-shot, which is also outranged by your average lane opponent. In a teamfight, Taric gets exploded too quickly to stack and effectively use his Q if he takes the smack approach. Compared to every other heal ability in the game, Taric definitely has the hardest one to use. Taric's W would be here for being a pathetically small shield due to being %max health with the problem being that his target demographic, the marksman, has a small HP pool, but it's also a tether ability that spreads the range of his Q, E, and Ult, so it's still valuable. He's definitely a champion balanced around having one absurd ability tho. So the rest of his kit is low impact while his entire kit is just difficult to use effectively. Braum - I'd elect his W maybe. It's a good reposition tool and provides buffs to defenses, but he's a case where his entire kit is very powerful so something has to be last. Passive is really good for supporting allies with sustained or backloaded damage. Braum/Ashe is particularly mean because of Braum's passive combined with Ashe's slows. It can still be good for some frontloaded damage characters if they're characters who run stuff like Hail of Blades. Q lets him apply his passive without having to get into melee range. E is a mobile Yasuo Windwall, which is extremely valuable in a lane that will always have at least one ranged attacker, and his ult is his only real engage tool, which can also be used for disengage if needed. His ult is also extremely good in teamfights. So W is in last place because Braum isn't a major beneficiary of mobility and his E provides similar stat buffs while (ideally) blocking your ally from any damage. His W is still extremely useful tho. It's just I think Braum would have the best chance to survive without it. Bard - E. All of Bard's abilities are good. The reason why I listed E as his weakest is because even though it effectively gives every champion a dash and jungle mobility, it's heavily telegraphed and as an infinite value ability, can be misused. That said, worth mentioning that his ult is capable of single-handedly losing games when used badly enough, but his ult also can single-handedly win games, so it evens out. Kinda. His Q is worth mentioning due to being a conditional CC ability and a low-range skillshot, which makes it less reliable than most other straight-line skillshots, but it's a good source of damage and stun's are pretty valuable CC. The reason W isn't here instead of E is that his W gives Bard lane presence even when he's off roaming. Basically, his W is a decent source of sustain and disengage while he's fucking off in the jungle. It can be fucked up by teammates just refusing to play around it or reacting to your W in the worst ways humanly possible, but it's a powerful ability regardless. I might be undervaluing his E, but the way I see it, his Q and W exist to enable his roams while his E is a strong ability to supplement them (and his ult can win games so throwing it in the garbage would be a big no). His passive also is needed to enable his playstyle and give him the scaling he needs to keep up with his fellow supports. Sona - Ult. Sona's ult is her best play-making ability, but her kit is designed more around her buffing her allies than playmaking. There are also just better sources of stuns than her ult and it just isn't the reason someone would choose to pick up this champion. As far as direct power goes, Q is a really good laning tool. Without it, Sona would basically be dead weight during the laning phase, which is unacceptable for a support. Her W is a team-wide heal that also gives her empowered auto the ability to weaken enemy autos, which is good for skirmishes, trades involving the adcs, or all-ins. Her E's MS buff and empowered auto slowing is good for both disengage and chasing enemies. While her ult can cover stuff that her E covers, I'll point out that all of her basic abilities contribute to her passive and that basic abilities are going to be available more often than ults. Really the main reason I picked her ult was because her ult just isn't the reason anyone plays her. Tristanna - Q. Tristanna's playstyle is all about being a very bursty adc with a lot of disengage and can also blow up towers quickly. Her AS buff does contribute to this goal, but I don't think Tristanna's playstyle takes advantage of the AS buff as well as other adcs benefit from that sort of thing. Besides that, I'd consider her other abilities too critical for her playstyle to ignore. The reason her passive isn't here is because the passive extends the range of her E. I feel like her passive and E passive probably should be swapped since her E passive looks more like an actual passive while her actual passive looks like an ability-specific passive, but whatever. Rakan - Q. His Q isn't unusable, but it is his lowest impact ability. It's a heal that's also a damage skillshot, but it's very low range, doesn't do a lot of damage, and doesn't heal for a ton. Compare that to his massive engage, powerful ult, passive shield (enabling the engage), and two ally dashes attached to a shield. His Q is just not where his power budget is. I will give it a shout out for proccing on Dragon, which means he is useful for early objectives and for proccing on Neeko and Shaco clone, which can be nice. Overall, it's still a low impact ability that isn't necessary for his kit to function. Veigar - W. It doesn't contribute to his stacking and is difficult to hit with minimal methods of set-up. Lee Sin - Ult. Insec is fun and fuels the lifeblood of the Lee Sin population, but it's also his most situational ability. It's his his one disengage tool and it's a really flexible ability, so it's by no means bad, it's just that he's a really early game ganking jungler, so he can't exactly afford to give up his main damage rotation. He also needs his W for early clears and the shield+lifesteal definitely isn't useless for his combat pressure. So that's why I'd cut his ult if pressed. Also, I wanna point out that Lee Sin's W would be one of the best shielding abilities available if it didn't scale solely AP on an AD champion. Just saying, most enchanters would probably kill for a manaless shield with 80% AP scaling attached to an ally dash and the ability to recast to half its cooldown. Not relevant to this discussion, but I had to mention it. (Bonus) Aphelios - E. "Aphelios has no third ability. This slot shows the next weapon Alune will give him. Weapon order begins fixed but may change over game time - when a weapon is out of ammo it goes to the end of the order." - League of Legends explaining what Aphelios's E does.
Okay, and using your criteria for worst designed abilities rather than the weakest, I'll go over my mains again. Kalista - ult. Her ult is the reason I picked up the champion and it's my favorite ability in the game, but it's also arguably her worst thought out ability. Instead of having an ult, she gives her support a Malphite Ult except it has a longer CC duration at max rank (Malph ult is 1.5 seconds at all ranks while Kalista ult is 1/1.5/2 seconds of knock-up) and is attached to a cleanse with upwards of 5 seconds of untargetability and invulnerability. Abilities that screw with the innate properties of your allies are going to be slippery to design because of how important synergies are. I already talked about Rell/Kalista being ungodly because Kalista's ult removes Rell's weaknesses as a champion. But here's a lightning round of other bullshit certain supports can get up to with Kalista's ult: Morgana's ult requires her to remain tethered for 3 seconds to activate, Kalista Ult > Morgana Ult at max rank means that Morgana will have 2 of those 3 seconds covered for free. Against mutliple people that gives them a third as much time as they otherwise would have had to respond, and against a single person, at level 6, you're looking at 1.5 seconds of knock-up comboed into a 2.5 second root potentially comboed again into the full effect of Morganna's ult (which has a 1.5 second stun and 300 + 140% AP damage at rank 1). At max rank, you'd be looking at a 2 second knock-up + 3 second root + 1.5 second stun plus 600 + 140% AP magic damage that you wouldn't be able to prevent given the first ability lands. A major Thresh Combo is E + Q, but after getting ult he has a different combo of E + ult, but you can't exactly go E + Q + ult + E, luckily Kalista's ult combos into all of Thresh's abilities as well as combining with his lantern to give both of them the ability to dash across the entire lane if necessary, which is a really powerful disengage tool. With Soraka, I had one moment where we got ganked by a Kayn who focused the Soraka to prevent her to from healing Kalista, but when Kayn ulted Soraka, I used Kalista ult to cancel out Kayn's ult due to the untargetability and Soraka was able to clap back with a Malphite ult, which resulted in me getting a double kill despite being over-extended and on low health. Effectively we put Kayn in a catch-22 scenario where targetting the adc would result in me getting out-healed while targetting the support would result in them getting a free zhonyas and a malphite ult. With champs like Taric and Braum, they're balanced around lacking gap closers, so giving them a massive dash also breaks their balance. Kalista effectively just adds years of game design experience to her support. If I was playing literally any other adc, me and my support would have both died to that gank. But there's a massive double edge to this ability. If your support doesn't know how to play around Kalista or otherwise just sucks in general, Kalista's combat pressure is effectively cut in half because Kalista goes from having the most broken ult in the game to having literally no ult. There's nothing you can do if your tethered ally decides to quarantine you, waits out the ult timer because they don't know how to activate it, proceeds to have the worst possible accuracy on the ult despite it having a really generous hitbox, takes too long to figure out how to use the ult and therefore misses the opportunity, they're playing something like Yuumi who somehow manages to not (or at least barely) benefit from additional untargetability + malphite ult, or they immediately and consistently ult in the opposite direction you wanted them to. Any of these scenarios are pretty common when playing Kalista in soloq. As a result, the ability is pretty much broken OP when you're in a premade but completely useless in soloq. Azir - E. Zone control mages (and also Gangplank) are typically designed around the idea that the battle is reaching them in the first place. Azir in particular uses untargetable minions that he can reposition as needed. The thing with Azir's E is that it's a dash that can have the reach of the entire mid-lane, making the task of getting on top of him through his sand soldiers go from difficult to actually impossible. Alongside that, his E can be used as a strong engage tool and to set up an insec. The ability is just extremely powerful and the flexibility it affords this champion in conjunction with the rest of his kit is the primary reason why Azir is such a balance nightmare. Like, imagine if Heimerdinger or Gangplank could dash to any of their turrets/barrels regardless of range. That would also make the champion unfightable. Thresh - Ult. I argued that his passive doesn't synergize with his kit, but I wouldn't say that the ability shouldn't be there. Think of it like Archeops from Pokemon. Worth noting that Pokemon isn't balanced like League is, so Archeops isn't meant to be as powerful as actual top tiers (and Archeops is a more extreme example than Thresh). If Archeops didn't have its ability, you'd effectively be staring down a pokemon with attack and speed stats almost as high as Mega Salamence, with a better offensive typing, access to really powerful attacks like Stone Edge and Acrobatics, and it's available level 37 rather than level 50. Thresh is in a similar position but it's less extreme. His Q is the most flexible hook in the game, his W gives his allies a long-ranged dash which acts as both an incredible engage and disengage tool (also, unlike Kalista's ult, basically every champion in the game can use it effectively but there's no champion where this ability destroys their balancing factors), and his E makes landing his hook easier in exchange for having lower range than hook. He's a roaming heavy support that when played optimally can snowball his adc, mid, and jungler while never really having a point in the game where he's weak, even when he gets behind. If he were allowed to roam unchecked, this is exactly what would happen, which is why his passive exists. As far as actively detrimental abilities go, I do think Thresh's is really well designed because it doesn't even initially look like a detriment and there are situations where his passive is helpful, particularly really long drawn-out games and when the enemy team is mostly AD. I also like that it's detrimental for a more subtle way than these types of abilities directly are because his passive fucks with his game plan by being in direct opposition to his goals. Basically, Thresh has a scaling passive that requires him to spend a lot of time in lane but he's a roaming champion. The reason why I'd say his ult is the worst design ability isn't because it's poorly designed per say, but I think his ult is can be a little clunky to use but is still extremely powerful. If Thresh had a weak ult, that would give him room to have a stronger passive, but his ult isn't weak. It's just as flexible as the rest of his kit and that's what makes it powerful. Basically, I think Thresh's ult is very powerful but he has a kit where if I had to make one major change to his kit, I'd allocate power budge away from his ult in order to have a non-detrimental passive. I'd also just consider his ult to be kinda okay. I guess I could list his E too for the same reason, but I want to defend his passive since it has a good reason to be the way it is.
I can understand all of these takes except for your first Kalista take. Q is really useful for combos and burst damage because without it you can't double rend. I'd 100% say your second point on Kalista is better though. Her R has a niche use-case where if you're playing with an Enchanter support you either lose access to you're R so you can get your W passive, or you lose access to your W passive so you can put it onto a teammate that can benefit from the R more. Obviously there are exceptions like Morgana as you said. This is why we in the Kalista player-base try getting tank supports like Alistar, Rell, or Leona lol. Still though I good takes all around!
As a support main and jungle fill, I believe who I like playing as/with/against has a huge effect on what I think of their abilities. I think that's why your "no bad abilities" column matches mine
The criteria have gone more and more loose the farther you went in to the list. You started out really good, but some decisions were downright lazy... Like how are you going to call Kayle's entire existence (passive) the worst designed ability in her kit. Or Illaoi's E... its annoying, but its literally just her playstyle. Without it shes a cannon minion. The inconsistency infuriates me :/ Yet youre going to call Draven. Lux or other champs with similiar broken abilites perfect...
it’s just a fun video as he said, idk why all the comments are taking it so seriously. cry if ur fav creator decided to release a fun video once in a while
Teemo W is actually really valuable. It allows him to kite people and stay out of bad situations, and it allows him to run people down if they over-extend. The only reason it could be seen as a "bad" ability is when you compare it to modern champions with all their screen-wide dashes and stuff.
I dont understand this video. Is it based on: 1. how bad they are gameplay wise. 2. how bad it is designed/how unhealthy its for the game. or just 3. vars least favorite ability to play against. I feel like its a mix out of these three. He said : Akshan W even tho its broken (point 2). Fiora passive, Graves W (point 3). Ashe E aka probably the strongest vision control ability in the game that is not an ultimate (point 1).
No Veigar's E is not his worst Ability I would even say it's his best Ability (after passive). It's a contestent for one of the best non ulitmate Abilitys in game
quickly went from choosing a champs weakest or worst ability to "this annoying/unfair". look at pyke and nunu. Pykes ultimate is the majority of the power in his kit, Unfair and overpowered 100%, but his worst would easily be his W. Nunus Passive or E sometimes feels like they are there to be there, saying he has no bad abilities is flat out wrong. other champions that also have this exact thing happen Fiora, Lulu, Karthus(yes you need to explain why, with his W right there), Senna just to name a few, and more that i cant argue fully on without more experience on each.
Predictions for Garen, my main. Finding a bad ability in Garen's kit is very difficult as each of them has a clear purpose and is functionnal at what it does : Passive : Allows Garen to stay forever in lane if well used combined with the fact Garen has no mana so he can stay as long as he wants in lane Q : Chases someone and silences ennemy. While not being the best CC, the silence is the most balanced CC we can find for Garen's current kit. W : Tankiness, tenacity and shield in one button. Farming allows Garen to be tankier than most bruisers in toplane. E : Spin2Win. Attack Speed scaling is good enough to open Garen to Attack Speed items despite of his bursty nature compared to other juggernauts. R : DEMACIAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!! One of the most brutal ultimates in the game since it scores most of Garen's kills and being near him low-HP no matter your level is a death sentence for you since it's point-and-click. Now the award of the worst Garen's ability goes to... passive. While being good at what it does, it's very flawed if the ennemy laner uses the 8 seconds window during which the passive doesn't proc at his favor. Also Sett's regen passive is better in that regard and procs naturally. Edit : well, guess I'm not good at predicting
respec for not just watching first then posting comment but u kinda just gave an example on why his passive is good. It gives him lane sustain AND has counterplay in that it can be cancelled with proper poke. Counterplay with high rewards (infinite sustain) are well designed abilities.
To be fair, he seems pretty inconsistent with what he considers "bad". Some are "Bad to play against", some are "Bad for design", and others are "bad in practice". All of which mean very different things.
tbh, I agree its his ult that is bad out of the entire kit simply cuz its on Garen. Any other champ would abuse this EXTREMELY hard but for Garen, its somehow just alright (Can vouch, Season 6-12 Garen Main. Been here for both his highs and lows)
"Aphelios... oh my god" Yeah, seems about right, Aphelios is two years old and still any time you have to explain something about him you just go "oookay, where do I start now"
The "no bad ability" tier kinda ruined the list for me. You even started the video saying that even if you think they have no bad abilities, you'll just choose a least favorite. And then not even getting past the B Champs without making that new tier. It felt a bit lazy
@@xuanbachtrinh6578 It's sad that are they removing his stars for his rework since it was a pretty iconic part of his a kit but at the same time, this abiltiy is so trash.
Rell her q spell is not rlly a filler damage abilitiy, it heals an ally, plus it destroys shields and helps u proc passive easily. Rell's Q is a utility spell, not a damage spell.
So im going to try to help vars and others explain some bad abilities vars points out, or if he was being too biases. Note this is from my personal exp with these characters so i won't be ablt to vouch for them all. So for aphelios his q turns into a turret i assume so he can activate his secondary abilities at a distance like how his sniper gives him more range. For ashe she has the hawk game wise so she can hit her global ult better, thats why it stays at the location for a few seconds. Brands q is mainly so he can single out someone for his passive stun. Cass w was biased, it worked perfectly with her kit by applying her poison so her e can work better plus they cant run from her as fast, if anything maybe her passive could use work but other than that no bad abilities. For cho'gath i say his e is the most weird, it gives his range and poke but the aiming is weird plus most times you're building him as a tank so you can't really use it for damage, yeah it is based on their hp which is good for tanks but for a tank melee character that eats ppl i feel it should have been a move speed up buff or a cripple. His passive works cause it gives him sustain in lane and jungle. For ekko i think we all know his passive is what brings his kit together, his q can hit twice so all he needs to do is smack them which his e lets him do. Ekko deserves the no bad abilities. Elise passive works cause shes a sudo assassin/ fighter so when she catches someone and fights them she can have great sustain in the fight and not die immediately like most mages. I say elise is another no bad abilities cause they all work together to form a rotation. Where as i normally would agree on fioras passive true damage, theres way to many tanky champions in the game to not have her, imagine cho'gath, sion, or even malphine just walking free with no counterplay. Irelias Q...i don't think i really have to talk on that, lets just say her passive deserves this spot. For lillia i would say no bad abilities cause her w is pretty decent damage and that not counting if she slept someone, and its balanced by the fact its a wind up so they can move. Morganas passive gives her really good sustain in lane or jungle, especially for a character that has to ult in from of your face to lock you down. I say no bad abilities. Just like elise her kit rotates into itself pretty well. Without nasus passive dude could not lane, the sustain he gets from hitting minions keeps him alive or even hitting the enemy. otherwise he just get poked down while stacking Q. So Nocts spell shield is cause he mainly goes after mages and supports that cant fight him 1v1 in melee range, otherwise he gets beaten by tanks and fighters and adc can burst him down with autos. I think we know why rek'sai passive works on her, jungle sustain, assassin, its basically what eve has in her demon form. So for miss glasc her e does enemy damage but also shields your teammate so again has its purpose especially when she's is suppose to stay in the back. Shen W is situational? Its what gives him the most safety in fights, his E forces him to dash to the enemy and makes them attack him with autos to which his w blocks all autos, if anything his passive shields is the broken part. Sona... no bad abilities. (Curse you seraphine)
I think they should change Ryze R to his old one and let you toggle it but at the cost of it drain health/mana to stay true to the name of "Desperate Power"
Syndra should’ve been in Passive imo. They gave a early game Control Mage scaling based on levels effectively and it doesn’t make sense for her design, and the effects aren’t too drastic either
They should made azir's turret like old turrets with ramp up damage that would make his passive uniquely cool, right now it does like 150 dmg per hit and its just so useless.
Okay, but like i think fiddle's q is not that broken since u can counter play it so I think he should be in the no bad abilities tier and it fits well with his whole jumpscare shtick and makes it so that his ult feel better.
I think I have to agree with the shen w but it certainly has important uses for lane baiting and short trading, as well as ulting someone and immediately casting it, which against certain comps can make or break the exchange. Its definitely a little weird though, but frankly his q e and r are so solid and work so well together idk what kind of new ability they could replace it with.
I love this style of vid, it stands as a counterpart to the more thoroughly thought out and scripted video, with this being more honest and natural. Many people in the comments are saying that the inconsistent logic of the video is what throws them off, but I personally love hearing what you have to say about things on the spot and in different, changing contexts. It's much more fun to just kinda listen and laugh to rather than genuinely put a lot of thought into. Would love more of these in the future 😄
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Hay Vars could you please do a video on disrupters "mages"
It's like the smallest mage sub class packing on AOE and utility with some damage
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The real problem of the video is that for some champions you chose "worst" as "broken" ability, while for others "worst" as "filler or underwhelming". It produces really weird results like LeBlanc being there because W is too broken while Wukong being there because passive is too simple.
Agree. Vars needed to decide on which definition of "worst" he was going for in this video, because as is, the results are all over the place. The criteria ranges from "too broken/useless or underwhelming/thematically inconsistent/boring" depending on the champ.
LB's worst design ability is definitely passive. Most of the time its 0.5 sek of untargetability for free and it saves her ass for just existing rather then deception more then it should
“LB… distortion… it is such a good ability, that is why it is her worst ability.”
That is so tru it kinda confused me @vars
Completely agree. Especially with stuff like "Karthus's worst ability is his passive" with absolutely no elaboration.
I feel like Zilean could have been in "Passive" since it's just kind of annoying to use given how you have to be there right when the ally is about to lvl up and u need to have been undamaged for like 15 seconds.
Better than what it used to be
i think it's awesome, If you play him support the adc is there to level up most of the time and on mid i love giving it to my jungler since zilean is the strongest when there's someone he can keep buffing and get them to engage, the stronger they are the better
His r tho...
@@flameofmage1099 Worse* his old passive was gigabroken just not a satisfying level for both people playing him and those going against him, now it's just shit all around.
@@danello9091 I mean better in terms of design
Yeah Teemo's W is certainly one of the abilities of all time.
It sucks on paper but it's integral to his playstyle. The passive part of the skill is something he absolutely needs to hit and run instead of hit and die
Amongst every abilities, it definitely is one.
In wild rift his w is a dash
After much deliberation, I've come to the conclusion that Teemo's W is one of the abilities on League of Legends
Even his W is op tbh
this went from worst in their kit to annoying to deal with or broken which kinda threw me off a bit
Literally
Malzahar R worst abilities
it was the worst designed abilities? not worst power wise
@@Chucboris but then he put a lot of things that aren’t broken just because he didn’t like them even if it’s something not broken
@@islixxn talon's E, Katarina resets... that's him being bias and shitting on things he finds strong instead of "bad designed" the vid got annoying pretty fast
Honestly Soraka's passive is crucial because it helps supps with the eternal problem - people running away from them when they're just trying to heal them
The funny part is that even with 70% movespeed boost i still have to deal with teammates running from me and dying
I prefer her old one where she would heal more based on allys missing health. (Broken but like it made more sense.)
Omg when I play supp , I hate when this happens !
Seems like this is not "worst ability of the champion" but "which ability has the worst effect on the game".
in the eyes of design, they are equivalent, besides, the weakest ability probably isn’t an interesting video
Mundo’s W better be on this or we riot
No, we aren’t riot or lol might have some balance
Nah, I think it works pretty well on his kit, if he had any other abilitie on W, Riot will give him some passive healing and that would be worst
The title seems a bit misleading. Since the tierlist is inconsistent with the idea of whether the ability is their worst ability, or their worst designed ability. These can be completely different abilities on some champions.
yep hes very confusing logic doesnt help
Yeah I like how he puts Lulu on W tier when it is her best ability but also the most annoying
Rammus one trick checking in before the video’s release:
Imo it has to be his R. His basic abilities are all necessary, R only serves as engage or disengage, both of which can be substituted by Q or flash. The damage is negligible and knock up is tough to hit multiple opponents, at which point E is better as CC. Rammus worked without it before the rework, and it’s still not as important as the other abilities. There’s a reason why we level it up at 6, 17, and 18.
Nah hes perfect
I thought Rammus was ok. nothing much and I felt like Riot only reworked his ult to make it flashier
tenk need engage imagine Leona without her e or nautilus without his q
@@savosavic1222 Rammus with 2000 ms go bbbbbrrrrrr
@@Duothimir if u build need for speed ramus I'm saying about normal ramus
Vars be biting off more he can chew with this vid. His inconsistent logic and bias leads to a real mix of good and bad takes. Would be fun if he could revisit this with more care and split up the roster by role
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agreed, some of these choices is just the one annoying or broken abillity and not the worst designed, i was really sad to see gnars q instead of his w 3hit passive or e dash thats like half a screen
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Yes, it would be very nice if he split it by role and give us more thought on why that ability is bad
yea aphel got done dirty
Neekos passive just does so little and breaks so easily and has such a long cd-at least her W has a move speed, camo, and damage amp aspect
edit: her PASSIVE, inherent glamour, is all im talking about. the W clone is decent, but her passive alone is not that useful besides hiding Pop Blossom for most of the windup, but as soon as you get auto'd or grazed by an ability from an enemy you will have that disguise broken mid-cast.
It's so weird that she was released around the time as obnoxious Champs like Sylas and Pyke
I wish it just wouldn't break so easily :(
I seen Neekos break people's brain with her passive. It's most useful when she is jungling and pretending to be a roaming sup or laner
@@longforari funny thing is sylas woulda been fine as is just adjust he’s numbers and nerf the ult a little but now he’s a burst mage assassin
Like all the rest because of people screaming opppppp when I’m practice he wasn’t bad because he’s damage was mostly on he’s q now it’s on everything and he can’t tank one ability from new champs he’s a terrible champ now cus people over blew how strong he was
Neeko is STILL toxic he can harass you from behind your own minions easily and so much team fight potiential she has superfluous abilities but other wise annoying
''Jarvan has no bad abilities''
The fact he has two half-abilities in his kit is such a joke, since with modern champion designe his W and E would be one single ability.
So you can put Jarvan into two tiers.
His W we dont even need to talk about. Maybe its just the numbers because in theory its fine for a diver but compared to say Renek Q or darius Q it just doesnt compete in terms of protection against multiple people.
His E,Q dash i still think is quite interesting but giving him and allies attack speed? As a tanky diver with a passive that literally goes against it by having a cooldown per enemy. Feels wasted imo
All his basic abilities look like they're 1 cuz each one of them does SO LITTLE that just only good when combined together.
@@ADoomain his abilities synergize well with eachother but e an w on their own dont fit his role
Jarvan legitimately only has one ability, he dashes at a target and knocks up anyone on his path while getting attack speed. W is so irrelevant it might as well not exist. cool, I got 2% HP shield. basically a rune as an ability.
@@itsyourguyskye yea i agree that they do synergise its just that his W numbers are so low. And the fact that of all the 'extra' bonus effect of his ability is an attack speed buff for a tanky diver is just so odd
The list kinda went from what's badly designed to what's broken for some champions, I get that a broken ability is not awesome design but like chosing gnar's q that has the fun minigame you mentioned over a 3 hits passive that takes an ability slot just because q is annoying is a bit much...
Apart from these I liked the video
That's because some champions don't have a "bad ability" when compared to some of the older champions. Case and point: Yone. So you instead have to go with what's absurd.
@@muizzkazi5432 On a bad designed list (which this is), Yone E would easily be the pick. On old champs, he still went for bad design (see Malph Q being opposite of his engage gameplay), but Gnar Q is well designed.
@@oneofthe12sionmains70 But most of the time he trashed on champions because of his experience playing against them
@@oneofthe12sionmains70 i will never understand why he didnt choose the 3 hit passive instead of a fun to use skillshot with multiple uses (throw backwards and dont catch to increase range)
@@oneofthe12sionmains70 if we're going by ability power, Yone's W is practically useless outside of trading in early laning.
I honestly like Yone's E and I don't really understand the hate it gets, it has the skill expression of using its dash to dodge abilities and the movement speed he gets is kind of annoying on some champs, but then again, Yasuo E? Irelia Q? Zed W? Fizz E? Pyke W/E your pick? Katarina E? Kassadin ult? Ekko E? all of these practically do the same thing but can also be used to run away.
Yone is the most comfortable one out of these to play against. as an immobile character don't walk up when he has empowered Q and that's about it
I know this isn't an unbiased video, but I feel like sometimes just choosing the "unfair" ability is a little too easy. Like Cassiopeia's W is frustrating because not that many champs have grounding, but without it she couldn't be a complete champion. It's only really game breaking against mobile melee champions, and even then it's pretty hard to use. Against a mage with skill shots or an ADC with significant AA dps, the ground holds them in place but doesn't stop their damage output, so landing it can help you secure the kill when you have advantage or help you escape when you're in disadvantage, but it doesn't flip the script, which is what I would personally call "broken". But that's just my two cents :)
Agreed
@Offisianシ it appies it al long as you are in it. Not like her q that applies the extra burn and lasts longer
I agree, the video started good by choosing abilities that didn't synergize or stayed behind compared to the other abilities, but then started getting into "This ability is just unfair" which would fit more the theme of a "Most hated/broken abilities for each champion" instead
So it is badly designed as it completely fucks over few champions while being usefull against everybody else regardless. I remind you that miasma still slows, so you can either chase or block of that mage or adc you mentioned, while also empowering Cassio's E reducing enemy's outplay potential (dodging just Q isn't enough).
@@rawen160 by that logic every instance of cc is "a badly designed ability that fucks over a few champs and is useful against everybody else". Is not like you cant walk out of it.
Vars: The worst ability on a champion stands for an ability that doesn't fit their playstyle/ gimmick all too well
Also Vars: Leblanc W is SO good on her
Quick reminder : Aphelios has no E.
Also, Sona's W is her healing. Do you want to tag the enchanting part of an enchanter as bad ?
Right? And it’s not even a lot of healing and costs a lot of mana
@@ToasteBlade In fact, that sounds like the reason is her worst ability. It could maybe heal or shield a bit more or reduce his mana cost a bit to not get oom with 3 w.
I’m blown away it’s not her e. Like yea it’s an aeo speed buff, but like upgrading it increases the speed by 1%! Like what the actual fuck
also her w gives a shield and her w empowered passive is literally so gamebreakingly good idk what he was thinking. i would say sona fits the no bad abilities tier.
@@cherryjubilee6941 her e speed boost increases by 1% speed every time you level it up. 1%. That’s it
As an Ivern main, there are no useless abilities, and if you really want one then it’s W, not Daisy. Daisy is literally a compliment to his catcher play style because she has a chase and knock up combo with his q. She also has the ability to give a solo Ivern some level of threat with her being targeted with his E to be a aoe slow and damage nuke. W has some really big problems, Ivern can decide to take them down so you need to be sure that the enemy can’t use it within the next 30 seconds, only give a few seconds of vision, and only gives an ok damage buff in the bush making you a sitting duck if you want to take a fight with it. Iverns that try to use it will just lose out on any chasing or defensive power.
literally what I was thinking the entire time. my jaw dropped when i heard daisy
problem is that daisy can get smited. lvl 6 Daisy is literally a smite+2aa-s/1ability, makes her feel kinda useless
I will argue that Ashes kit is perfect. The E grants global vision for you so you know wether or not to use your global ultimate. Or to scout the jungle to know if its okay to push. Shes really solid.
Yeah cant agree here, but her problematic ability is her w.
@@MrKatzenminze ??? Problematic would be tristanas passive. Ashes w is telegraphed and easy to sidestep behind minions. I just gives her the ability to proc her passive on multiple targets
@@MrKatzenminze I don’t see how it is problematic on summoners rift. On Aram it has to be the worst ability
yeah for sure, every other champ in the game has to track the enemy jungler to know what they can't and cannot do, and ashe can just reveal one half of the jungle off cooldown, really interactive and cool
@@plasmodius9449 information is king when you know what to do with it. Hopefully your teammates know how to use it
I love that when he's talking about Diana, the clip he shows is of Camille being busted, lol
You're gonna get crushed on comments for not being consistent with the criteria, if an ability being uninteractive bothers you with Qiyana's grass Q/Garen's R, what were you thinking with Veigar and Syndra's ults? Also due to power budget some abilities must be op or nearly useless for balance matter, it is what it is.
Btw Bard W feels like shit idc if it's good, not really useful in combat, low skill expression, it has to charge itself and doesn't work with the rest of their kit besides abandoning the ADC
It also kinda feels like it needs to be there for him to be able to more safely be the "wandering caretaker" tho
snow bard skin is the goat
Trust me, Veigar's R is the shittiest abilities in his Kit
It is the worst for different reason, it doesn't work
Passive is gold cheat, Q is reliable damage, W provide the needed damage and works well when being chase, E is one of the best basic ability
his R execute just sucks
you have to be really fed to be able to do Q R one shot, like if you give the gold needed to make it happen to Zed, he can probably just R auto E to kill you, it's so bad
and once you reached late game you kill people by E>W>Q, you don't even need R
R on tanks is useless and squishy died before needing ult
The defining characteristic of his ult, the execute is completely redundant. R maxes damage out at 33.3%, if you deal 66.67% damage with just Q+W, why would he need double damage for his R? the target will still died even without this bonus damage
Other R execute champs like evelynn gets away with it because they have utility
Other champs have good execute because it isn't on their fucking ultimate
it is such a baffling decision on why they gave this to Veigar
@@326inminecraft you sound a bit bad. Veigar's ult is so good cuz you don't need to hit it, they can dodge one of your abilities but there's no way to dodge the ult. when playing against Veigar his ult is by far his most annoying part, if you're below 40% HP you're effectively dead and he doesn't even need to land anything. at least Syndra needs to have some balls on the ground.
@@326inminecraft i mean.....veigar r is one of his strongest abilities alongside his e, its free damage that u cannot avoid for 99% of champs. his w is an easily missed ability without his e his q is really short ranged and is for farming mostly. so
What is LeBlanc’s worst ability Vars?
“Distortion. It is such a good ability. That makes it so annoying.”
The guy can’t even follow the rules of his own list after talking about how he’s judging them for 2 and a half minutes: which ability is the worst “either in power, or relevance, or impact, or design.”
and its not like its a hard question, her ult is literally just one of her basic abillities with more damage. not even longer root or anything like karmas very similar ult
He clarified multiple times that its design. That can take the form of either being too good, too bad, or lazy.
@@18ncarbonara and lb W is her best designed ability, its literally her whole identity
@@18ncarbonara thats just a vague thing to say, ''yeah this ability isnt well made cause its just too good'' like? wheres the logic exactly, her w is her entire kit basically, he said kindread r is bad like???? wheres the logic
@@opportunity3278 So I'm not saying I agree with all his takes, however I do think his logic is mostly consistent. "Too good" really means too much of a champions power budget exists in this ability. For instance Pyke R. Having a Champions kit revolve around a single ability is really unfun to play against. I actually like Kindred's R, but if you watch a lot of Var's videos, he has pretty strong convictions about characters abiding by their class archetypes which Kindred R obviously does not. Again I don't agree with that take of his, but I wasn't surprised at all to see that.
Apologies for the wall of text but, as a WW main: easily his W. Yes it's his iconic 'hunt you down' ability but it's an over glorified passive. You lose the bonus movement speed if the champion is hiding behind another person, hit by even a stray minion auto or in combat and is buggy half the time your run on it. Yes the attack steroid is great but these could have been his passives. Nerf the values, make it scale per level and give him an actual W. Even the active portion of the W could just be like kindred where you select a champion that's revealed and in range. Due to this, his power budget is shafted to his Q which is his only damaging ability apart from his ult.
Looking at it from process of elimination, his W is still the worse. His Q is overtuned (again only damaging base ability) dealing pretty good scaling damage, max health AND healing him. On top of that, it can allow warwick to follow dashing champions by just holding the ability (also useful for dodging skill shots). Primal Howl is an also an amazing ability for a diver, giving him straight damage reduction that also has hard cc at the end of the duration or recast. As for his ult: it a long range gap closer that suppresses someone, damages them and heals him. Yes its hard to hit, but that's because riot made his hitbox the size of a yordle (not joking look this up). As a result, W is defacto the worse: a janky, conditional MS steroid that has an absurd cooldown and an attack speed steroid that, while pretty good, could have just been a passive.
(edit: grammar)
(Edit 2: didn’t know that passives were included. Doesn’t change the fact that W is worse. Passive is on hit damage that synergies with W and heals him for damage dealt, increasing if he’s low on health. Perfect for what he wants to do.)
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I wouldn't say it's a bad ability if it had like 20 second cooldown.
But HOLY it has 120 - 60 seconds cooldown. That's a cooldown of R on BASIC GODDAMN ABILITY, which is bugged as fuck.
@@kimjongun2637 no need to read 😎
@@walkelftexasranger technically it’s 40-20 if there is no blood trail on the map (ticks down 3sec). But good luck with that.
Warwick W only feels bad because tis always fucking bugged bro. if it ever worked as intended it feel smooth AF
I think you let your bias get ahead of on a few champions, conflating "abilities that don't work with their kit/class" and "abilities I don't like"
In order, I think the ones you did this on are Cassiopia, Evelynn, Fiddlesticks, Fiora, Gangplank, Garen, GNAR, Gragas, Graves, Gwen, Illaoi, Irelia, Karthus, Kayn, LEBLANC, Lulu, Malzahar, Master Yi, Nocturne, Olaf, Pyke, Qiyana, Rengar, Samira, Senna, Seraphine, Sett, SINGED (what?!), Tahm Kench, Talon, Tryndamere, Veigar, Yasuo, Yone and Yummi.
I'm not saying that these aren't necessarily bad in the context of their kit, but for all of these you just listed 'this ability is uninteractive or annoying or broken' as the reason, unlike the rest of the champions which you gave a reason for them not fitting.
In terms of how they are meant to be played, I highly disagree with Eveylnn, Fiora, Gnar, Gragas, Irelia, Karthus, LeBlanc, Master Yi, Olaf, Pyke, Qiyana, Senna, Seraphine, Sett, SINGED (again, why?!), Tryndamere, and Yummi. Replacing the abilities you listed would make the champion completely different than how they are now, and those abilities absolutely fit in their kit
Damn bro i think it took you a while to write this comment, here's a like
@@Taran_MVP Thanks, but looking back I think I even missed a few. Its hard to tell because he spends half the video complaining. Really wish he'd just stick to analysis, if I wanted to hear someone whine about broken champions I'd just hop into ranked queue
Kai'sa's w does WAY too much damage when building AP, but if it's tweaked, it works really well. It works well with her ultimate, allowing her to engage from far away and take advantage of her close range damage. It also allows her to poke a bit if her opponent doesn't stay behind minions.
i really enjoy the fun tier lists. these are fun to watch while playing a card game or eat something. Its just relaxing. Maybe some can use them to sleep or something. Keep it up, they are awesome. :D One thing i didnt like about this tier list in particular tho: you went from worst to worst designed/most frustrating very fast. I know this is a fun tier list, but it felt you would rank the most useless ability of an champion, but most of the time it was actually just the most frustrating part in the kit, which isnt always the worst part. If you know what i mean. Other then that it was a fun list. :)
I agree with you for Vars to make more of this type of content between his “serious” uploads, it’s just fun to watch, I like to see him explaining why he chose that ability and give us context for that choice, makes you ponder about what is good, bad, toxic or filler for the game
i feel like the reason xerath passive is on his autos to make him come foward so if your a dive champ he has a moment of weakness for you to punish him on
Trust me, while it isn’t much. Aatrox passive is a great part of his kit and is kinda necessary for him to play jungle (yes I play aatrox jungle sue me). It also is a big part of his early damage and sustain since you can get 2 off in one fight if you get a couple autos off.
Still it’s not that good compared to his other tools
Yeah but as said in the video you could change it by anything else and it won't matter that much and about jubgle aatrox they can just buff the damage of Q on monsters and he will be meta
@@GORK3411 you could, but in my experience, it brings the *major* importance of the sword more front and center with a simple but powerful thrust, one which takes the flesh it slices to regenerate the darkin. It's a great part of his kit that fits into Aatrox's story nicely
Aatrox W is his weakest ability for sure, though if you can pull it off it's cool
@@GORK3411 no you cant he heals the most from his passive auto attack from my expirence playing him
i think taliyahs passive is fine as she uses it to roam a lot on the map and that ties in to her wanderer theme. every other ability in her kit focuses on the fact that she is a stonewever. i also think its a good ability in game as she can use it to get around the map quickly to pressure the enemy into more bad situations while establishing controlle.
Qiyana gets the same passive on her W for free where she gets ms near walls (also in the river and brushes. So everywhere) AND she can use it in fights. She still gets a primary passive that’s useful in a fight. It makes no sense that a champion’s secondary passive is objectively better that another champion’s primary passive. Taliyah’s passive could be better
It went from the context of the kit to how broken the ability is lol
tier lists are "low effort" but that doesnt mean you cant do them. I along with a bunch of others love videos like this. Peak LoL youtuber fr
I had a random concept idea for how Xerath's passive could be changed a long time ago. I thought it would be cool if he could regenerate mana by forming into his sarcophagus shape and channeling, becoming immobile and incapable of using abilities, but if he finishes the channel without taking champion damage it gives him a chunk of his mana back. Make it have a long cooldown or not give much mana early game but scale its power up later to have a low cooldown or give more mana lategame. Think it might give enemies more clearcut windows of vulnerability to engage on him or his team since he would have to stand still and finish the entire channel to actually get the benefit.
Thats just less interactive. You realise they made Xerath autoattack for mana because they didnt want him to hang back at 1000units range without any windows for counterplay.
Mana surge is good in early game due to his large mana cost and the need to poke alot. And if your passive would've been implemented, it probably would've been useless at any point of the game. In early game you can't regen alot of mana making your pokes scarce. And in the late game, where your passive supposedly would've been useful, Xerath would've finished his luden's, or liandry's, both of them giving alot of mana.
This passive is a bad idea. It's bad on every stage of the game, when theres a big fight happening and it doesn't end in 20 seconds, and you lose mana, you're much better auto attacking atleast so you can use your Q once or twice. But when you turn into the sarcophagus, you're leaving your team at a large disadvantage because the fight turns into a 4v5. It's better to stay in the fight and auto attack to get your Q faster, than to leave your team for a long time so you can use more of your abilities later
How is draven passive not a bad ability?
Also twitch w, since the lethal tempo changes, is totally useless unless you are building ap. At least the passive has the stacking mechanic for the e
Personally I would like to see more tierlists, I really love all your content no matter in what format. Keep being u Vars, u're the best! :)
Every other comment already said it, but there were two champions that were in close succession to each other that I had to point out. Shaco's worst ability from a design standpoint is his E. It's point-n-click single target damage that slows. It's lazy. The rest of his kit makes sense from a lore standpoint, which means it also makes sense from an identity standpoint. Shaco's a trickster clown, so he gets jack-in-the-boxes, he backstabs you, he clones himself, and can vanish in a puff of smoke. It's all annoying, but at least it all adds to the champion. His E is just a filler tool to help him trade.
The other champion is Singed. His Q is easily his best designed ability. The rest of his kit is ass. His passive is there to reinforce the fact that he's hard to chase, but that doesn't help his gameplay, it just pays homage to a gameplay meme (never chase Singed). It doesn't add anything to how you play him, you're barely going to notice it. You get a movement speed buff when you've already reached your enemy, or as you pass a teammate. You aren't going to be passing your backline, so you really only trigger this between 0 and 2 times, depending on how many OTHER tanks your team has for you to stand next to. Triggering the speed as you reach an enemy only helps if your plan is to bypass the enemy frontline for their backline, but even then, the speed boost is negligible. As for his W, he literally spills a giant blot of glue on the ground to slow you. For a mad scientist who dabbles in chemical warfare, GLUE cannot be among his repertoire of threatening concoctions, that's just pathetic. His E is him literally just throwing you so that it can synergize with the lazy ass ability that is his W. His ult, thematically is great, he drinks a cocktail brew of steroids he made himself, and gains a ton of stats. Unfortunately, stat steroid abilities are just the epitome of laziness. His ult and Q are fine, but the rest of his kit needs a hard looking at. For a chemist, he needs more than just "gas leak" and "steroid injection". He could have a Twisted Fate "Pick a Card" style ability where he cycles through some drugs to throw at you, or have that ability be him selecting a drug to drink. His E could be him taking an adrenaline shot, causing SInged to do a short dash into a wall, where he takes recoil damage, and stuns people around him. His passive just needs to be something fucked up, like a drug tolerance, so his abilities won't cost him any health (adverse effects of taking weird drugs) on a cooldown.
J4 players waiting for their W to not be a contender for 'one of the worst/least useful abilities in the game'
Jarvan's W description should read: Jarvan spends 30 mana
Most of these I either agree, or don't know the champ enough to say.
But I disagree with Glasc.
I would put her passive. Her E being both lane poke and an aoe shield at the same time makes it a very versatile enchanter tool.
Her passive is more filler damage than her E because interactively it's just Leona passive but only your autos apply it and only one person can be marked at a time.
(I also fail to see the logic for sona w)
As an enchanter main myself I agree. Enchanters from the head start have a bit undervealming or just simple abilities. Yeah, heal won't be a skill shot since it makes your job of positioning and carefully and constantly prioritizing an ally just a nightmare. No Yasuo, I won't flash to try and heal you with my skillshot that you will either dodge with E or block with W.
@@kurcina0 ? u cant block your own allies abilities
@@opportunity3278 true but he can still dodge it with E or flash. If it were a skillshot anyway.
I can't tell you how many times allies have sidestepped my Lux W's 😡
@@opportunity3278 I am aware, I'm meming it, but you know how you can be flamed as a support when you don't do everything to save an ally, even when your abilities are on CD or you don't have mana...
Since this is more like "worst designed ability" or "worst feeling ability", Zilean's ult should definitely be up there
Yeah I was really surprised he didn’t say that. I think he was too in a rush by the end.
I really hate Orianna's passive part where it just does more dmg on her aa.
Really makes zero sense for her and is easily her worst ability. Could have done something way more creative! Makes farming slightly nicer but that's it
This tier list could have been more interesting if you stuck to one definition of “worst ability”. You seemed to waffle between the meaning of “least meaningful” and “worst to deal with”
They're two sides of the same coin
Love your content vars but as others have been saying this was really inconsistent and confusing :( It flip flopped between a champs worst ability like the title says, to their most broken ability. Like with Le Blanc, your reasoning was that her W is a good ability, which is the exact opposite of the title. I'd be interested in seeing this revisited as kind of a 'what ability could we replace to make this champ more 5000 years of design' if that makes sense. If you do revisit it I'd love to see the criteria laid out more so it's easier for us to follow and without the 'no bad abilities' category! ♥♥
Now please make another one with the most useless ability of each kit
For me Kayle's and Udyr's passives are the definitions of a champion.
I think lillia's worst ability is her passive, her q, w and r are burst/hit and run while her e slows the targets to helping in land rigth q and w on top of trigger her speed buff to catch them. her passive is just a dot which has no sense in a full burst champ. She cant even interact with it like malzahar, cassiopeia or brand (true dot users), is just a restriction for her ultimate and it punish you for land all the kit at the same time because you lose passive damage (when a burst mage should throw all at the same time to get the max damage). I think that her q passive (the speed buff) is a way better passive for her than her real passive.
As soon as he put the "no bad ability" tier i knew he was gonna contradict himself
Sometimes an ability was judged based on how it impacts/impacted the game/meta and other times based on ability design. Sometimes he justified an ability for being integral to a kit while other times he criticized an ability even while being integral to the kit.
Anyway since we can't actually point out everytime he contradicted himself i just wanted to do all his "perfect" champs for my own satisfaction
Bard: the shrines
Braum: q, a poke ability to apply his passive could be replaced by something else to aid his engage?
Draven: i forgot which one it is but the one that gives free stats for a while
Jarvan: e, putting down a flag that gives stats isn't the best ability for a diver (but i can't think of how to redesign it without losing his signature engage)
Jhin: q, it's really good just a little worse compared to everything else he has
Jinx: passive, if u can get a takedown then u don't need bonus stats to help teamfight
Khazix: w, poke on an assassin? Ik it heals close range but then heal on an assassin?
Leona: w, just a shield that explodes. Could be made better
Lux: passive, it's fine ig but a burst mage shouldnt need dps and since there's no ability she can spam to keep procing it the dps is minimal anyway
Nami: the bounce heal, it's kinda unreliable as a heal/damage since u can't control it
Nunu: passive, it's fine but could be something better or something that synergiezes with his kit better
Orianna: not qualified to choose
Pantheon: w, same as jhin just the worse out of everything he has
Poppy: not qualified to choose
Rammus: ult, it's an average engage that's all nothing wrong with it
Renekton: q, the healing it gives is non existent
Syndra: not qualified to choose
Thresh: ult, could be better designed to accomplish what it already does. Nothing wrong just underwhelming
Urgot: q, check the comments
Velkoz: not qualified to choose
Viktor: not qualified to choose
Volibear: passive, it's fine but he doesn't need it much
Warwick (as a main): e, worse compared to everything else he has
Xayah: not qualified to choose
Zac: ult, it gets a job done but underwhelming
Ziggs: e, the slow helps but its just lazy
Zilean: not qualified to choose
Zyra: not qualified to choose
Urgot's ult synergizes with his kit really well and reducing it down to "Skillshot execute" is reductive. You use it at range extremely rarely, and it's at its strongest when you're in the middle of the teamfight fight which suits where he wants to be, with its AOE fear making it an amazing teamfighting ability, while you need to stay alive during the pull in the middle of the enemy team. And it's also a slow since urgot's biggest struggle is his mobility, half the time an urgot IS actually using it at range, it's not for the execute, it's just for the slow to hit E. And the ult is mainly used after you hit E so the slow also lets you rotate around someone to get his shotgun knees off.
If you replace urgot's ult with anything else, urgot becomes a far less interesting champion even if you replace it with something stronger.
It's also the ability most in tune with his lore because it's the aspect of his kit that draws on urgot deifying survival. Someone has to survive those 4 seconds to pass his test and prove they can survive. The "Impressive" Voiceline alone when someone survives does so much for his personality.
It's the perfect ability, mixing in risk and reward to make a multi-tool of an ult to compliment his kit which people only recognize as "Oh, 30% execute. Yawn." Despite there being plenty of other ults that while they may not be executes can do over 30% of your HP quicker and usually more point and click.
I'll defend urgot's ult anyday. It takes skill to use it to full effect and you'll see a massive difference in how a bad urgot uses it compared to a good one. Compared to an actually badly designed ult like a Garen ult. Which is just a point and click remove HP.
@@ME-ee8vg while all ur points are valid and i didn't know it feared (mb) i still think compared to the rest of his kit it's a bit worse but now I'm having doubts. What would u choose to be his worst ability?
@@orange1890 If I had to choose one, it'd probably be Q. It's too mana hungry early game with mediocre damage so it's completely unremarkable as a poking tool and it may as well have no damage at all lategame.
The entire purpose in urgot's kit is to slightly slow someone so you can get close enough for E.
And sure it's nice to have, it just doesn't work if anyone you're fighting has any mobility or common sense at all. A slight slow and running at someone makes you predictable. It just opens you up to outplays or dodging your E. You're never really advised to go for using it to run someone down unless you're already ahead. For any slightly even matchup, you want to use flash to hit your E to give as little time to react as possible because if you miss it you die.
The most useful thing it has, is it's pretty good at securing cannons because W toggle is unreliable for csing.
@@ME-ee8vg makes sense, I'll change it
went from worst ability to most annoying ability list :( the heck
I don't see the issue with Seraphine's ultimate if we're judging off of design alone. Sure its frustrating to go against, but so are ton of other abilities that are well designed. As for the lack of understanding on why it resets for every champion, and that shes unfair to other wave ultimates, it all comes down to her thematic. She's 'charming' and gaining stans, that sorta fanbase & music and such is infectous and grows rapidly which is why the continued length makes so much sense. Where as for Renata & Nami (the only other wave ults) nothing of similar notion applies to them (although as a nami main i think it should be longer or faster in river personally to help her out in jungle fights & add a dynamic to her enchanter gameplay but im biased). In no way is Seraphine the best designed champion in league, but for her thematic & class her abilities and passive really do fit her character super well. I hope this helps maybe?
You forgot the 4th wave ultimate champion : Maokai ^^
it kinda slipped off the moment you said you have to go through every champs faster..
Hard disagree with Shen, there’s been instances in every game where it has made a difference in whether I win a trade or not, can add up a lot during a fight. It can also block CC auto attacks and empowered auto attacks. If you’re fighting a Jax for example in the early game that makes a massive difference whether or not you come out on top. So I argue, Shen has no bad abilities.
having poppy in no bad abilities hurt my soul
akali main btw
I enjoy this type of video content because it opens up some more discussion.
For your choices I will disagree with you on two choices Tahm's E and Ornn's Passive.
Tahm's E to me is a simpler one to explain for me. The gameplay around it isn't what you think but it makes sense when you understand it. Compared to Sett's W. Tahm's E is the opposite. Forcing him to use his E alot makes him have to play much more scared and passively. He is meant to be able to stick around and apply pressure as a tank. Tanks need some sort of map presence sticking power. Because tanks are usually not the most damaging or the hardest shoving. Infact they are meant to take damage. Making him use a big shield means he doesn't get it back with healing. And the only use he has once that's gone is poking with Q or trying to save someone with his ult.
This same kind of logic applies with Ornn. He is the only tank in the game that has no sustain, shield ,or a damage resist of some kind in his kit. And that's okay. he gains that through his passive.
Being able to keep up pressure by flexibly building what he needs to be relevant. It is a fantastic way of breaking a rule, you break the rule and give him something powerful but take away something fundamental.
And it mixes up people's usual perception of tanks, most of the time when you are a tank people always pull the "you're a tank you don't need farm" but if you actively take EXP away from Ornn... you take away the late game power of Ornn. While I agree the free stats might be a bit... much. I often don't think they are broken? Stats don't mean much late game if the players don't utilize them well.
Ornn is a knowledge reliant champion. But that whole part of his playstyle goes out the window without passive. And he becomes a somewhat skill expressive CC bot without it.
Anyway great video I like quick thought dumps like this. Makes some interesting conversation and thoughts.
If you read this Thank you And I hope you have a great day.
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talks about diana's ult then played Cammile hook shot KEWK
Love how most of them are placed due to being genuinely bad abilities, or because they don't fit with the thematics of the character. And then we get characters like Camille and Casseiopeia where you place them because they're too good
"Reminder: Each champions 'worst' ability is based on the context of their kit and its design, not if it's useless or underpowered"
Except when it's too strong and you don't like fighting it lmao. There was a pretty long segment around that exact time where it's like you forgot that this is the champions worst ability, and just went with the abilities you liked the least. Gangplank, Graves, Gwen, Gragas.
Still can't understand why Yi's Q is the worst. If you said it was his passive then I would agree.
Actually defining the criteria for worse abilities would have been nice. I'm aware this is a biased vid but the constant jumps between, actually shit designed abilities and "I hate this because I don't like playing against it", and just "boring" but it's very fitting for their kit as a whole, makes this, difficult to watch
Defend yourself: Case - Rell.
Q is Shield Breaking, very important and requires good timing. W is the most important and worst designed ability on Rell. Go in, no matter if you hit the enemy or not, you are stuck in the middle of the enemy and with very low MS.
I personally like azir's passive. Plays into the aspect of his character being a conqueror
It is cool, but nowadays it would be turned into a secondary passive while he has an op passive that idk, revive everyone as mobile soldiers or some weird shit
@@tales-kun9025 his passive gave him as from cdr so he had two passives before.
I'd argue Xerath's passive is the best bit of his kit. Solves the lack of interaction with artillery mages by forcing him to periodically get close.
If he is going to say Trynda R i am leaving. That ability is more broken than imaginable
Design
I dont quite understand why you chose Jax ulti but not Singed ulti because its both just free stats and Singed Q is what makes Singed Singed.
Disagree on Cassio' W being broken, since now a new champion having either dashes, blinks, movements buffs and so on seems to be the norm; and cassio not having any form of quick movement outside of her passive... feels like a fair ability to me. Plus most of the time W is thrown horizontally, which means enemies will stay there for 0.5 sec tops.
As a content creator that's normally precise and understandable, you made this tier list really hard to understand and gauge. Your definition of "worst" should have been defined at the start. It's a fantastic idea though and still enjoyed the concept.
Brand's E is one of the most unfair abilities in the game, defenetly no skill high reward and akshan's passive is one of the signs that leagues champion design has been really uncreative and overloaded on purpose which is really weird and unnatrual, I think those 2 cases should be their worst abilities
Why his e and not his passive? His e is the worst part of the kit
@@tales-kun9025 Akshan's E is practically the only reason to play him?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I feel this video has an inherent contradiction. It swaps from badly designed abilities like trynda ult to useless abilities like teemo w. In general what a bad ability is, is not defined.
Vars, I think you should've been a bit more consistent with your rating. You rated some abilities based on weakness and others based on strength. Perhaps you should've stuck to one or the other, but it's confusing to go for both at the same time because now we have no idea if you're listing abilities you hate, abilities that are op, or abilities that are too weak.
he has done this before just on a lower scale
@@opportunity3278 maybe it was just me, but i just couldnt keep up with him lol
Nah Evelynn’s has to be her E. Design wise it’s the most boring one, just an extra damage attack with some upside (tiny dash and move speed buff) but it’s so dull
Her ult makes Eve Eve. It’s her only form of safety
Each of Dravens abilities serves a purpose. No such thing as useless in Dravens kit.
If i had to choose it would be his r
Rell's Q is a utility spell. It heals more than illaoi's q, plus it heals an ally and it destroy shield. It is not a filler damage spell, but a utility spell nickyboi memed on her damage being non-existent. When you look at a protecting tank, why do you seek out damage in their kit. Why do people keep comparing her to leona when she is closer to a taric with a dive in?
I hate to hate Rell, the concept is awesome, but the gameplay experience feels so bad to me. Imo any other tank support either has more CC / less all or nothing engage. Her AA is awful, give her a way to clear wards faster for god sake
Predictions for the champs I play and can be bothered with:
Shyvana's is Q - her E takes too much of her power budget to be here, and her W gives her much-needed sticking power with its MS. The R is her only form of a dash, and while its unstoppable doesn't actually work, it's still needed.
Thresh - R. CC-wise, it's Veigar cage but worse, and only in super long games do you get enough souls for it to be worth it damage-wise
Taric - E I guess? All his abilities are pretty good, the Q is insane healing and passive spam, the W is what lets his kit work, and his R can make or break entire games
Rell - Q. Negligible damage and healing, only really useful for applying a passive proc at longer range.
Nasus - R, as everything else is kinda needed - Q is Q, W is his only real way of avoiding being dived, and is then a great chasing tool later, and E is how he farms before he can risk walking up to the wave
Swain - W - the only time you're hitting this on someone with a brain is when you've hit them with E anyway, since without boots you can walk across its diameter before it goes off anyway.
Morgana - R. I'll be honest, half the time I forget I even have this ability. It's not got the chain cc from her Q, it's not got the AOE burn spam application of her W, and it has nowhere near the same utility of being able to completely prevent AD champions from cc'ing you or an ally, while gutting any AP engage.
Edit: yeah I didn't consider passive to be an option, that's on me
Swain W purpose is not hitting someone, it is a tool for blocking enemy's path and giving vision from a far distance
Rell's Q also destroys shields, get fucked Sett.
aw man, i kinda wish this list WAS actually about the worst abilities, not the most badly designed... the title is pretty misleading, at least. maybe we'll see a worst ability tier list in the future? but still great video
I gotta go through champs I play for this lol. Ranging from ones I main to ones I've used enough to give an opinion on and are worth discussing.
Azir - passive maybe?? all of his main abilities are very useful and are made better by their synergy. At least with passive I can imagine playing him without having. his passive is also strong, but it has a long cooldown and basically doesn't exist until the mid-late game. When it is used, it requires your teammates to play around it if you want to get its maximum effect. Besides that, it can be used for sieging and pushing mid-lane, but it's not the best split pushing tool ever because side lanes are so long and you're using Azir's passive to protect yourself over trying to use it offensively in a teamfight. Also active passives are a bit awkward to use because I sometimes just accidentally activate it. You also can't use his passive in the jungle to fight over objectives, which is where something like it would hypothetically be the most broken. That said, his passive can still be a game changer in the right circumstances, it's just the most conditional part of his kit.
Thresh - passive. Thresh wants to roam but his passive says that if he wants to be tanky, he needs to stay in lane. In order to collect souls safely, you might have to use lantern, but it's not usually worth using a powerful ability to permanently gain one stack. There are some off-meta Thresh builds designed completely around his passive, but as a roaming support, Thresh's passive is more of a drawback than a benefactor. Besides that, he's such a powerful and versatile champion due to how many applications his basic abilities have that he kinda needs to have a passive that holds him back. Like, his hook is arguably the strongest hook in the game, really only having direct competition with Blitzcrank, because landing his hook can be used for so many different scenarios due to it also being a 1.5 second stun and having a recast. His lantern can give any ally a dash. Abilities that give your allies more options are extremely powerful because it can circumvent champion weaknesses. Like, Thresh + Vanguard is super strong because his engage is difficult to land and his lantern gives Vanguards a free escape option while having a slightly less tanky but still very tanky frontliner to cover for them. His E is good for both engage, disengage, and combos, and his ult is very good for controlling space and it does a deceptively high amount of damage in exchange for requiring the enemy to either walk into it for no reason or comboing someone into the wall.
Kalista - arguable whether it's q or w. The problem with Q is that it's two main purposes are jungle mobility, in-lane poke, and gap closing. It's not very good poke and adcs aren't exactly going to be spending years in the jungle. The gap closing is very minor, covering less distance than flash, but it's still useful in scenarios. It's just that Kalista has arguably both the strongest passive and ult in the game, especially for an adc, and her E is also a really strong execute due to being able to execute multiple people at once and resetting on killing anything, including minions, which makes it double as a good waveclear option, it also off-sets the one weakness of her passive. Then there is her W, which is sort of just thrown in there for fun. It still gives her %max health magic damage if her support is attacking the same target as her, which is worth mentioning. It also functions as a slightly clunkier version of Ashe's vision arrow, allowing Kalista to scout for the enemy jungler without putting herself at risk, and vision control is generally quite good, but it definitely doesn't give Kalista major combat pressure. The reason I said Kalista's ult is arguably the strongest in the game is that it's capable of breaking certain champions. I'm specifically talking about Rell, a very fair vanguard who's designed around having extremely strong engage with somewhat limitted range and duration, but she's primarily balanced around the fact that she has no disengage and can only go in once. So giving Rell what is effectively a Malphite Ult with upwards of two seconds of knock-up attached to upwards of 5 seconds of untargetability and enough range to cover almost a quarter of the map if the ult were to be cast and recast both from max range. That does just break the champion's balance. Her passive is arguably the strongest in the game because it means that as long as Kalista is in range to auto-attack something, she will have up to 2.5 dashes per second (barring Lethal Tempo). E just synergizes really well with her passive on top of being an individually strong execute. Between Q and W, I'd hesitantly give it to W because its combat pressure is really minor due to having a cooldown on its effect and Kalista otherwise being designed around backloaded damage and the benefits of her W's vision probably being less effective than just.. having another combat ability that works well with her kit. Her Q lets her access her passive without needing to auto attack, even if it's on a cooldown and there are niche outplays where Q > E can instantly kill two people while W doesn't have that effect. It's mostly that I'm valuing Q's somewhat niche combat pressure and neutral over W's vision control and sustain. I think Kalista would still be powerful if either ability was taken, but I think she'd feel the loss of Q stronger than W.
Janna - Passive. It's not that it's bad, but it's such a minor effect that can only really be used to make disengage slightly more effective. I feel like even without her passive, Janna would still have incredibly powerful disengage. I'm picking it because it's not very flashy and I've never really had a moment where I was like "oh shit, Janna's passive saved my ass."
Vel'koz - all of his abilities are good for different reasons, it's hard to pick. I'd go with maybe e...? Q is extremely powerful and long range, can't remove that, passive is true damage, w is good for both wave clear and stacking his passive, ult is instant cast steerable skillshot that does a crap ton of damage and stacks his passive quickly. Meanwhile, I still think his E is really strong. It's a good way to set up his combos, provide disengage, and knock-ups are the strongest non-displacement CC due to being functionally a stun that is unaffected by tenacity. That said, Velk's E is pretty low range considering the rest of his kit and it's difficult to land, so it's mostly a disengage tool that can occasionally be used to combo his W into and it can function as good follow-up CC for the rest of the team. The ability also is nice for waveclear due to being an AoE that applies his passive. It's not weak and it's still a big part of Velk's damage rotation, but it's still Velk's least reliable ability and his lowest range one.
Neeko - she's funny in this discussion because I'm pretty sure Neeko mains tend to either think her passive is the most broken shit in the game or completely useless. Basically, you can pretend to be any champion in the game but the illusion breaks if you take any damage or use any ability. Neeko will inherent that champion's base MS and auto range (unless their auto range is longer than Neeko's). The passive also hides her ult and can be used with her W. The problem with her passive is that it's an active ability that's infinite value, but using that ability to its maximum value isn't possible because the enemy team knows that there's a Neeko running about. It's sort of the Zoroark problem, where Zoroark's gimmick is to trick the opponent into using moves that it's immune to or resists so that it has enough time to set up and sweep. The problem is that it's unreliable at best when used optimally because the opponent is going to know that every Pokemon you send out has a chance of being Zoroark because of team preview, which makes setting up Zoroark's ideal conditions basically impossible. I imagine that using Neeko's passive to its maximum effect would require you to have good macro, vision control, teammates that don't cast a lot of abilities and instead just run at you and auto attack, and a good sense of what's up in your enemies heads, and good team coordination. Which may make her sound like a pro-play champion, but she isn't because of the Zoroark dilemma. As a result, Neeko's passive is an infinite value ability where odds are stacked against her getting anything out of it. Improving at the ability is also difficult because it's hard to tell whether the opponent was fooled or just stupid. Personally, I think redesigning the ability to be somehow closer to the spy from TF2 would be potentially better, but I have no idea how Neeko would be able to do that considering fog of war and.. vision. Maybe an ability where she can swap places with someone and disguise herself as them alongside an ability that looks like that but she doesn't swap places? Idk. Second worst ability is Q, which feels like Seraphine Q but with less range and a smaller hitbox.
(Bonus) Yuumi - W. Going untargettable is for cowards. A useless ability with no benefit. If you play Yuumi, don't use W. Become Jungle Cat. The Forest Calls To You. Jungle Cat. Become the Warrior Cat Yuumi was always meant to be.
Good points!
A few more, tho these aren't champs I play as much (or I don't play them but I have friends who frequently do, so I've played with them a lot). I'm sort of imagining this as a gamemode where the player has to pick one ability to be removed from the champion but otherwise everything else remains the same.
Rell - Q, it's biggest point is to destroy shields which can be really useful against champs like Sett, but overall, it does less damage than her auto attacks and heals, like, 20 HP. It is quite useless outside of specific match-ups.
Teemo - Passive, it's awkward to use and is only really effective within fog of war, but if your enemy predicts it, you have just wasted a bunch of time for no reason. The benefits are also not particularly insane. It's an AS buff.
Zillean - Passive, it doesn't activate that often, doesn't synergize with his kit, and functionally doesn't exist late-game. It can still be a huge boost early-game due to getting people to their level 6 faster.
Shaco - E maybe? His passive isn't very useful on paper, but his kit is designed around it and it makes running away from him challenging. His Q, W, and Ult are all very powerful abilities, while his E is just point and click damage. Ranged damage and an execute, so not useless, but it's got less applications than the rest of his kit.
Samira - passive, imagine if Samira didn't have to build up style to use her ult lol. I was gonna say Q because it's a neutral ability and a skillshot required to build up her passive to use ult, but then I realized "wait, what if she just didn't have to build up her passive to use ult?" Like, Samira's passive is definitely one of those abilities that exists to give the champion a drawback to properly balance her.
Zoe - W, it's not part of her normal burst combo unless she gets certain powers determined by RNG. The reposition can be nice and it prevents enemies from flashing away from her, but the ability would be way stronger on a skirmisher than a burst mage.
Senna - E, it's not necessarily useless, but the MS scales solely AP and isn't super significant. It also provides minimal combat pressure due to the long start-up time. For an ability that spreads some category of stealth to her teammates, it's surprisingly weak.
Taric - Q. His Q has a long cooldown, takes up a bunch of mana, and does very little healing unless fully stacked. You can't get high stacks on it until you're high enough level, so it's a weak lane sustain tool. Stacking Q faster requires you to auto attack enemy champions, but you are a melee champion with no gap closers in a lane that typically fields one to two ranged opponents, so the juggernaut method of walk up and smack them really doesn't work here. The closest thing you have to compensation is a small AoE delayed straight-line skill-shot, which is also outranged by your average lane opponent. In a teamfight, Taric gets exploded too quickly to stack and effectively use his Q if he takes the smack approach. Compared to every other heal ability in the game, Taric definitely has the hardest one to use. Taric's W would be here for being a pathetically small shield due to being %max health with the problem being that his target demographic, the marksman, has a small HP pool, but it's also a tether ability that spreads the range of his Q, E, and Ult, so it's still valuable. He's definitely a champion balanced around having one absurd ability tho. So the rest of his kit is low impact while his entire kit is just difficult to use effectively.
Braum - I'd elect his W maybe. It's a good reposition tool and provides buffs to defenses, but he's a case where his entire kit is very powerful so something has to be last. Passive is really good for supporting allies with sustained or backloaded damage. Braum/Ashe is particularly mean because of Braum's passive combined with Ashe's slows. It can still be good for some frontloaded damage characters if they're characters who run stuff like Hail of Blades. Q lets him apply his passive without having to get into melee range. E is a mobile Yasuo Windwall, which is extremely valuable in a lane that will always have at least one ranged attacker, and his ult is his only real engage tool, which can also be used for disengage if needed. His ult is also extremely good in teamfights. So W is in last place because Braum isn't a major beneficiary of mobility and his E provides similar stat buffs while (ideally) blocking your ally from any damage. His W is still extremely useful tho. It's just I think Braum would have the best chance to survive without it.
Bard - E. All of Bard's abilities are good. The reason why I listed E as his weakest is because even though it effectively gives every champion a dash and jungle mobility, it's heavily telegraphed and as an infinite value ability, can be misused. That said, worth mentioning that his ult is capable of single-handedly losing games when used badly enough, but his ult also can single-handedly win games, so it evens out. Kinda. His Q is worth mentioning due to being a conditional CC ability and a low-range skillshot, which makes it less reliable than most other straight-line skillshots, but it's a good source of damage and stun's are pretty valuable CC. The reason W isn't here instead of E is that his W gives Bard lane presence even when he's off roaming. Basically, his W is a decent source of sustain and disengage while he's fucking off in the jungle. It can be fucked up by teammates just refusing to play around it or reacting to your W in the worst ways humanly possible, but it's a powerful ability regardless. I might be undervaluing his E, but the way I see it, his Q and W exist to enable his roams while his E is a strong ability to supplement them (and his ult can win games so throwing it in the garbage would be a big no). His passive also is needed to enable his playstyle and give him the scaling he needs to keep up with his fellow supports.
Sona - Ult. Sona's ult is her best play-making ability, but her kit is designed more around her buffing her allies than playmaking. There are also just better sources of stuns than her ult and it just isn't the reason someone would choose to pick up this champion. As far as direct power goes, Q is a really good laning tool. Without it, Sona would basically be dead weight during the laning phase, which is unacceptable for a support. Her W is a team-wide heal that also gives her empowered auto the ability to weaken enemy autos, which is good for skirmishes, trades involving the adcs, or all-ins. Her E's MS buff and empowered auto slowing is good for both disengage and chasing enemies. While her ult can cover stuff that her E covers, I'll point out that all of her basic abilities contribute to her passive and that basic abilities are going to be available more often than ults. Really the main reason I picked her ult was because her ult just isn't the reason anyone plays her.
Tristanna - Q. Tristanna's playstyle is all about being a very bursty adc with a lot of disengage and can also blow up towers quickly. Her AS buff does contribute to this goal, but I don't think Tristanna's playstyle takes advantage of the AS buff as well as other adcs benefit from that sort of thing. Besides that, I'd consider her other abilities too critical for her playstyle to ignore. The reason her passive isn't here is because the passive extends the range of her E. I feel like her passive and E passive probably should be swapped since her E passive looks more like an actual passive while her actual passive looks like an ability-specific passive, but whatever.
Rakan - Q. His Q isn't unusable, but it is his lowest impact ability. It's a heal that's also a damage skillshot, but it's very low range, doesn't do a lot of damage, and doesn't heal for a ton. Compare that to his massive engage, powerful ult, passive shield (enabling the engage), and two ally dashes attached to a shield. His Q is just not where his power budget is. I will give it a shout out for proccing on Dragon, which means he is useful for early objectives and for proccing on Neeko and Shaco clone, which can be nice. Overall, it's still a low impact ability that isn't necessary for his kit to function.
Veigar - W. It doesn't contribute to his stacking and is difficult to hit with minimal methods of set-up.
Lee Sin - Ult. Insec is fun and fuels the lifeblood of the Lee Sin population, but it's also his most situational ability. It's his his one disengage tool and it's a really flexible ability, so it's by no means bad, it's just that he's a really early game ganking jungler, so he can't exactly afford to give up his main damage rotation. He also needs his W for early clears and the shield+lifesteal definitely isn't useless for his combat pressure. So that's why I'd cut his ult if pressed. Also, I wanna point out that Lee Sin's W would be one of the best shielding abilities available if it didn't scale solely AP on an AD champion. Just saying, most enchanters would probably kill for a manaless shield with 80% AP scaling attached to an ally dash and the ability to recast to half its cooldown. Not relevant to this discussion, but I had to mention it.
(Bonus) Aphelios - E. "Aphelios has no third ability. This slot shows the next weapon Alune will give him. Weapon order begins fixed but may change over game time - when a weapon is out of ammo it goes to the end of the order." - League of Legends explaining what Aphelios's E does.
Okay, and using your criteria for worst designed abilities rather than the weakest, I'll go over my mains again.
Kalista - ult. Her ult is the reason I picked up the champion and it's my favorite ability in the game, but it's also arguably her worst thought out ability. Instead of having an ult, she gives her support a Malphite Ult except it has a longer CC duration at max rank (Malph ult is 1.5 seconds at all ranks while Kalista ult is 1/1.5/2 seconds of knock-up) and is attached to a cleanse with upwards of 5 seconds of untargetability and invulnerability. Abilities that screw with the innate properties of your allies are going to be slippery to design because of how important synergies are. I already talked about Rell/Kalista being ungodly because Kalista's ult removes Rell's weaknesses as a champion. But here's a lightning round of other bullshit certain supports can get up to with Kalista's ult: Morgana's ult requires her to remain tethered for 3 seconds to activate, Kalista Ult > Morgana Ult at max rank means that Morgana will have 2 of those 3 seconds covered for free. Against mutliple people that gives them a third as much time as they otherwise would have had to respond, and against a single person, at level 6, you're looking at 1.5 seconds of knock-up comboed into a 2.5 second root potentially comboed again into the full effect of Morganna's ult (which has a 1.5 second stun and 300 + 140% AP damage at rank 1). At max rank, you'd be looking at a 2 second knock-up + 3 second root + 1.5 second stun plus 600 + 140% AP magic damage that you wouldn't be able to prevent given the first ability lands. A major Thresh Combo is E + Q, but after getting ult he has a different combo of E + ult, but you can't exactly go E + Q + ult + E, luckily Kalista's ult combos into all of Thresh's abilities as well as combining with his lantern to give both of them the ability to dash across the entire lane if necessary, which is a really powerful disengage tool. With Soraka, I had one moment where we got ganked by a Kayn who focused the Soraka to prevent her to from healing Kalista, but when Kayn ulted Soraka, I used Kalista ult to cancel out Kayn's ult due to the untargetability and Soraka was able to clap back with a Malphite ult, which resulted in me getting a double kill despite being over-extended and on low health. Effectively we put Kayn in a catch-22 scenario where targetting the adc would result in me getting out-healed while targetting the support would result in them getting a free zhonyas and a malphite ult. With champs like Taric and Braum, they're balanced around lacking gap closers, so giving them a massive dash also breaks their balance. Kalista effectively just adds years of game design experience to her support. If I was playing literally any other adc, me and my support would have both died to that gank. But there's a massive double edge to this ability. If your support doesn't know how to play around Kalista or otherwise just sucks in general, Kalista's combat pressure is effectively cut in half because Kalista goes from having the most broken ult in the game to having literally no ult. There's nothing you can do if your tethered ally decides to quarantine you, waits out the ult timer because they don't know how to activate it, proceeds to have the worst possible accuracy on the ult despite it having a really generous hitbox, takes too long to figure out how to use the ult and therefore misses the opportunity, they're playing something like Yuumi who somehow manages to not (or at least barely) benefit from additional untargetability + malphite ult, or they immediately and consistently ult in the opposite direction you wanted them to. Any of these scenarios are pretty common when playing Kalista in soloq. As a result, the ability is pretty much broken OP when you're in a premade but completely useless in soloq.
Azir - E. Zone control mages (and also Gangplank) are typically designed around the idea that the battle is reaching them in the first place. Azir in particular uses untargetable minions that he can reposition as needed. The thing with Azir's E is that it's a dash that can have the reach of the entire mid-lane, making the task of getting on top of him through his sand soldiers go from difficult to actually impossible. Alongside that, his E can be used as a strong engage tool and to set up an insec. The ability is just extremely powerful and the flexibility it affords this champion in conjunction with the rest of his kit is the primary reason why Azir is such a balance nightmare. Like, imagine if Heimerdinger or Gangplank could dash to any of their turrets/barrels regardless of range. That would also make the champion unfightable.
Thresh - Ult. I argued that his passive doesn't synergize with his kit, but I wouldn't say that the ability shouldn't be there. Think of it like Archeops from Pokemon. Worth noting that Pokemon isn't balanced like League is, so Archeops isn't meant to be as powerful as actual top tiers (and Archeops is a more extreme example than Thresh). If Archeops didn't have its ability, you'd effectively be staring down a pokemon with attack and speed stats almost as high as Mega Salamence, with a better offensive typing, access to really powerful attacks like Stone Edge and Acrobatics, and it's available level 37 rather than level 50. Thresh is in a similar position but it's less extreme. His Q is the most flexible hook in the game, his W gives his allies a long-ranged dash which acts as both an incredible engage and disengage tool (also, unlike Kalista's ult, basically every champion in the game can use it effectively but there's no champion where this ability destroys their balancing factors), and his E makes landing his hook easier in exchange for having lower range than hook. He's a roaming heavy support that when played optimally can snowball his adc, mid, and jungler while never really having a point in the game where he's weak, even when he gets behind. If he were allowed to roam unchecked, this is exactly what would happen, which is why his passive exists. As far as actively detrimental abilities go, I do think Thresh's is really well designed because it doesn't even initially look like a detriment and there are situations where his passive is helpful, particularly really long drawn-out games and when the enemy team is mostly AD. I also like that it's detrimental for a more subtle way than these types of abilities directly are because his passive fucks with his game plan by being in direct opposition to his goals. Basically, Thresh has a scaling passive that requires him to spend a lot of time in lane but he's a roaming champion. The reason why I'd say his ult is the worst design ability isn't because it's poorly designed per say, but I think his ult is can be a little clunky to use but is still extremely powerful. If Thresh had a weak ult, that would give him room to have a stronger passive, but his ult isn't weak. It's just as flexible as the rest of his kit and that's what makes it powerful. Basically, I think Thresh's ult is very powerful but he has a kit where if I had to make one major change to his kit, I'd allocate power budge away from his ult in order to have a non-detrimental passive. I'd also just consider his ult to be kinda okay. I guess I could list his E too for the same reason, but I want to defend his passive since it has a good reason to be the way it is.
I can understand all of these takes except for your first Kalista take. Q is really useful for combos and burst damage because without it you can't double rend. I'd 100% say your second point on Kalista is better though. Her R has a niche use-case where if you're playing with an Enchanter support you either lose access to you're R so you can get your W passive, or you lose access to your W passive so you can put it onto a teammate that can benefit from the R more. Obviously there are exceptions like Morgana as you said. This is why we in the Kalista player-base try getting tank supports like Alistar, Rell, or Leona lol. Still though I good takes all around!
As a support main and jungle fill, I believe who I like playing as/with/against has a huge effect on what I think of their abilities. I think that's why your "no bad abilities" column matches mine
The criteria have gone more and more loose the farther you went in to the list. You started out really good, but some decisions were downright lazy... Like how are you going to call Kayle's entire existence (passive) the worst designed ability in her kit. Or Illaoi's E... its annoying, but its literally just her playstyle. Without it shes a cannon minion. The inconsistency infuriates me :/ Yet youre going to call Draven. Lux or other champs with similiar broken abilites perfect...
Illaoi E is a cancerous ability. Its so horribly designed and is the sole reason she is hated even if she sucks. It deserves its place.
it’s just a fun video as he said, idk why all the comments are taking it so seriously. cry if ur fav creator decided to release a fun video once in a while
Teemo W is actually really valuable. It allows him to kite people and stay out of bad situations, and it allows him to run people down if they over-extend. The only reason it could be seen as a "bad" ability is when you compare it to modern champions with all their screen-wide dashes and stuff.
Passives on items are more useful than his w. Teemo is really outdated overall since he is useless against almost all champs.
I dont understand this video.
Is it based on:
1. how bad they are gameplay wise.
2. how bad it is designed/how unhealthy its for the game.
or just 3. vars least favorite ability to play against.
I feel like its a mix out of these three.
He said :
Akshan W even tho its broken (point 2).
Fiora passive, Graves W (point 3).
Ashe E aka probably the strongest vision control ability in the game that is not an ultimate (point 1).
totally agree was kinda hard watching trough it and hearing the awkward explanations
i didnt know you could actually fail a tierlist that you made the rules of but ok ig
I feel like Yuumi should take some damage when the person she's attached to gets hit. Something like 20% of the damage.
That would make her avoid tanks like the plague tho, and probably cause loads of bugs with executes
@@PremPnamNam true but it'd also make the Yuumi player have to think about who to attach to instead of always going for the carry
No Veigar's E is not his worst Ability I would even say it's his best Ability (after passive). It's a contestent for one of the best non ulitmate Abilitys in game
I laughed so hard on the Jarvans W. Literally the worst ability in the game
literally! at least teemo w is useful for him, but jarvan could just not have his w and it'd barely make a difference
@@itsyourguyskye ori's passive too
quickly went from choosing a champs weakest or worst ability to "this annoying/unfair". look at pyke and nunu. Pykes ultimate is the majority of the power in his kit, Unfair and overpowered 100%, but his worst would easily be his W. Nunus Passive or E sometimes feels like they are there to be there, saying he has no bad abilities is flat out wrong. other champions that also have this exact thing happen Fiora, Lulu, Karthus(yes you need to explain why, with his W right there), Senna just to name a few, and more that i cant argue fully on without more experience on each.
Predictions for Garen, my main.
Finding a bad ability in Garen's kit is very difficult as each of them has a clear purpose and is functionnal at what it does :
Passive : Allows Garen to stay forever in lane if well used combined with the fact Garen has no mana so he can stay as long as he wants in lane
Q : Chases someone and silences ennemy. While not being the best CC, the silence is the most balanced CC we can find for Garen's current kit.
W : Tankiness, tenacity and shield in one button. Farming allows Garen to be tankier than most bruisers in toplane.
E : Spin2Win. Attack Speed scaling is good enough to open Garen to Attack Speed items despite of his bursty nature compared to other juggernauts.
R : DEMACIAAAAAAAAAA !!!!!!!! One of the most brutal ultimates in the game since it scores most of Garen's kills and being near him low-HP no matter your level is a death sentence for you since it's point-and-click.
Now the award of the worst Garen's ability goes to... passive. While being good at what it does, it's very flawed if the ennemy laner uses the 8 seconds window during which the passive doesn't proc at his favor. Also Sett's regen passive is better in that regard and procs naturally.
Edit : well, guess I'm not good at predicting
respec for not just watching first then posting comment but u kinda just gave an example on why his passive is good. It gives him lane sustain AND has counterplay in that it can be cancelled with proper poke. Counterplay with high rewards (infinite sustain) are well designed abilities.
To be fair, he seems pretty inconsistent with what he considers "bad". Some are "Bad to play against", some are "Bad for design", and others are "bad in practice".
All of which mean very different things.
tbh, I agree its his ult that is bad out of the entire kit simply cuz its on Garen. Any other champ would abuse this EXTREMELY hard but for Garen, its somehow just alright
(Can vouch, Season 6-12 Garen Main. Been here for both his highs and lows)
"Aphelios... oh my god"
Yeah, seems about right, Aphelios is two years old and still any time you have to explain something about him you just go "oookay, where do I start now"
Yuumi w
The "no bad ability" tier kinda ruined the list for me. You even started the video saying that even if you think they have no bad abilities, you'll just choose a least favorite. And then not even getting past the B Champs without making that new tier. It felt a bit lazy
Aurelion sol cant have a worst ability because they're all equally bad.
All of his ability were design for that stupid passive
@@xuanbachtrinh6578 It's sad that are they removing his stars for his rework since it was a pretty iconic part of his a kit but at the same time, this abiltiy is so trash.
True
Rell her q spell is not rlly a filler damage abilitiy, it heals an ally, plus it destroys shields and helps u proc passive easily. Rell's Q is a utility spell, not a damage spell.
i play rell and i still surprise tarics and lulus when i one tap theri shields, she is amazing
@@victoralejandrotrimmerestr3672 Ikr
Why is this a mix of worst(bad) and worst(broken/hated) abilities? Do either one or the other but not both in one vid
Id to see you do the champion/item related LEC pop quizzes. You seem to know everything about each champ.
Why did your editor show Camille when you were talking about Diana?
So im going to try to help vars and others explain some bad abilities vars points out, or if he was being too biases. Note this is from my personal exp with these characters so i won't be ablt to vouch for them all. So for aphelios his q turns into a turret i assume so he can activate his secondary abilities at a distance like how his sniper gives him more range. For ashe she has the hawk game wise so she can hit her global ult better, thats why it stays at the location for a few seconds. Brands q is mainly so he can single out someone for his passive stun. Cass w was biased, it worked perfectly with her kit by applying her poison so her e can work better plus they cant run from her as fast, if anything maybe her passive could use work but other than that no bad abilities. For cho'gath i say his e is the most weird, it gives his range and poke but the aiming is weird plus most times you're building him as a tank so you can't really use it for damage, yeah it is based on their hp which is good for tanks but for a tank melee character that eats ppl i feel it should have been a move speed up buff or a cripple. His passive works cause it gives him sustain in lane and jungle. For ekko i think we all know his passive is what brings his kit together, his q can hit twice so all he needs to do is smack them which his e lets him do. Ekko deserves the no bad abilities. Elise passive works cause shes a sudo assassin/ fighter so when she catches someone and fights them she can have great sustain in the fight and not die immediately like most mages. I say elise is another no bad abilities cause they all work together to form a rotation. Where as i normally would agree on fioras passive true damage, theres way to many tanky champions in the game to not have her, imagine cho'gath, sion, or even malphine just walking free with no counterplay. Irelias Q...i don't think i really have to talk on that, lets just say her passive deserves this spot. For lillia i would say no bad abilities cause her w is pretty decent damage and that not counting if she slept someone, and its balanced by the fact its a wind up so they can move. Morganas passive gives her really good sustain in lane or jungle, especially for a character that has to ult in from of your face to lock you down. I say no bad abilities. Just like elise her kit rotates into itself pretty well. Without nasus passive dude could not lane, the sustain he gets from hitting minions keeps him alive or even hitting the enemy. otherwise he just get poked down while stacking Q. So Nocts spell shield is cause he mainly goes after mages and supports that cant fight him 1v1 in melee range, otherwise he gets beaten by tanks and fighters and adc can burst him down with autos. I think we know why rek'sai passive works on her, jungle sustain, assassin, its basically what eve has in her demon form. So for miss glasc her e does enemy damage but also shields your teammate so again has its purpose especially when she's is suppose to stay in the back. Shen W is situational? Its what gives him the most safety in fights, his E forces him to dash to the enemy and makes them attack him with autos to which his w blocks all autos, if anything his passive shields is the broken part. Sona... no bad abilities. (Curse you seraphine)
Oh Geosenge town music, good choice friend
I think they should change Ryze R to his old one and let you toggle it but at the cost of it drain health/mana to stay true to the name of "Desperate Power"
in Diana’s part the clip of Camille starts playing 😭
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Syndra should’ve been in Passive imo. They gave a early game Control Mage scaling based on levels effectively and it doesn’t make sense for her design, and the effects aren’t too drastic either
They should made azir's turret like old turrets with ramp up damage that would make his passive uniquely cool, right now it does like 150 dmg per hit and its just so useless.
Okay, but like i think fiddle's q is not that broken since u can counter play it so I think he should be in the no bad abilities tier and it fits well with his whole jumpscare shtick and makes it so that his ult feel better.
I think I have to agree with the shen w but it certainly has important uses for lane baiting and short trading, as well as ulting someone and immediately casting it, which against certain comps can make or break the exchange. Its definitely a little weird though, but frankly his q e and r are so solid and work so well together idk what kind of new ability they could replace it with.
Ashe is supposed to be a scout and an archer iirc, so I think hawk shot works for her tbh
I love this style of vid, it stands as a counterpart to the more thoroughly thought out and scripted video, with this being more honest and natural. Many people in the comments are saying that the inconsistent logic of the video is what throws them off, but I personally love hearing what you have to say about things on the spot and in different, changing contexts. It's much more fun to just kinda listen and laugh to rather than genuinely put a lot of thought into. Would love more of these in the future 😄