I love that in Star Trek II Bones has the reaction we've always wanted in scenes like this. Kirk and Saavik are having a discussion in the turbolift and when they finally get to their destination, Bones is standing right there going "Who's been holding up the damn elevator?"
I love how the blocking has Picard pacing back and forth in such a confined space. I dunno why, it just feels like pacing in the equivalent of an elevator is a funny concept to me. I also like how Picard has to stop the turbolift to let his thoughts play out.
I know this is brought up a lot with Troi "INtakes", but Marina Sirtis seems like such a warm, funny person and it never came across in her actual performance. I'm sure they wanted her to be somewhat "alien" since her character is half-Betazoid, but the way they wrote her made her seem too cold to be the one person on the ship who is supposed to be in tune with everyone's emotions. As a result, Guinan made a better counselor.
There's a certain coldness to clinical professionalism. You're supposed to open up to your counselor so you don't want her/him/them to laugh at your vulnerabilities nor condescend emotionally in any way. Deanna in particular has to process the emotions of everyone she interacts with in addition to her own. That would take great self-control. If she just let the walls down and showed emotions she knows others would welcome, she'd be just another Kamala. (see the Perfect Mate in episode guides).
Forcing the "Betazoid accent" on her really didn't help. But the main issue is definitely the scriptwriters who kept making her look useless and boring. Her job should not have been to state the obvious.
@@alm2187 True, but there's a difference between being professional and being a robot. You can be objective and also caring. I agree that another issue other people pointed out was not letting her use her real accent, which made her feel even more stiff.
I believe it's Heart of Glory, @@waltonsimons12 Two Klingons claim to have been passengers on this Talarian ship. Picard maybe thinks there's a hole in that story and muses to Riker how they need to know why the Taralian ship was so far off-course. (By the way, spellings of these two species names were inconsistent in my search hits, so I'm not sure if I'm spelling them correctly either.)
Troi: "I sense the weight of this duty upon you." Picard: "Yes, I shouldn't have eaten that spicy bowl of Klingon gagh this morning... now if you'll excuse me, I have a heavy doody that I must confront. I'll be in my quarters counselor."
Is this whole clip the INtake? IF not the boom mic operator must have been losing their minds. "Holy crap Shakespeare-in-the-park the mic is over here. Hit you marks on the carpet Stewart." Let's just ignore the scene is in a turbolift and Picard spends his time talking to the walls instead of Deanna. Marina is a gem.
"Is it just me or is Cmdr. Riker grumpy lately?" "The Captain revoked his turbolift override privileges after he had to wait 15 minutes for Riker to finish having a quickie with someone from Engineering."
Well, it is a great question open for debate. What is the reason for having families on a starship.. and do they empty the civilians before engaging for example the Borg in defence of Earth..
On a ship principally designed for scientific exploration in peace time, does it make more sense to force kids to grow up without parents because the possibility exists that they may run into a hostile species? The saucer separation or going to a starbase before battle was their solution. Meanwhile, when the Borg attacked Earth, where would those billions of civilians have gone to? There are going to be problems no matter what choice is made.
Wow. Thats a great point. If only there was some way of separating the ship so that the part with the kids could be left behind before going charging into potential destruction. 🤔 Starfleet should look into that.
Here's a fun game: any time Deanna's empathic powers are referenced pretend she's a scam artist who got on the Federation's flagship by just pretending to be an empath. There's a few episodes where it doesn't work but the vast majority of the time it does. "What can your empathy tell us about them?" "I'm not sure, the impressions I'm getting are unclear."
Pasted from FB group; What is the reason that Patrick Stewart didn't like working with Jonathan Frakes on set during his time on Star Trek: The Next Generation? It wasn’t just Frakes. Patrick Stewart had problems with everybody in the cast at one point or another. When he first started working in TNG, Stewart felt like an outsider and didn’t really expect the show to last; so, he conducted himself in a strictly professional manner and didn’t really bond with any of the TNG cast, including Frakes. Stewart was rather appalled, actually, that the younger castmembers didn’t seem as focused and serious about the job as he was. It irritated him immensely that Jonathan Frakes and Brent Spiner and the others frequently broke character and joked and pranked on the set. To the theatre-trained Stewart, this behavior was unacceptable. ^^^ Stewart was there to do a job, not to have fun. This resulted in some pretty terrific conflicts between Stewart and the other castmembers. For example, he got into angry arguments with Michael Dorn on several occasions, during one of which Stewart uttered a racial epithet that grossly offended both Dorn and LeVar Burton. Stewart said that he meant it as an “innocent remark,” but he regretted it for decades thereafter. By the end of the first season, however, when he saw the growing fan base and realized that this show with its undisciplined cast was going to work and was going to last, Stewart relaxed and began to embrace the mischievous TNG group, even enjoying and taking part in the on-set hijinx that persisted all day and into night-time shoots. Little did the others suspect that Stewart’s unleashed humor could be quite barbed and insulting, as when he loudly criticized the shallowness of the Deanna Troi character and called actress Marina Sirtis a “stupid cow” to her face…which was a mistake. Sirtis was already insecure (thinking they hired her only for her ample cleavage) and she, also, felt her role was one-dimensional, always parroting the insipid line “Captain, they’re hiding something.” His mean wisecrack hit a nerve, and Sirtis angrily jumped up in Stewart’s face and read him the riot act in front of everyone on the set - an outburst that ironically brought the two (and the whole cast) closer. They all had their conflicts with Stewart, and he with them, and the airing of grievances was cathartic, I think, helping to fuse them into one of the great ensemble casts in television history. Jonathan Frakes and Brent Spiner became among Stewart’s closest friends on TNG and in real life; they learned much from him regarding stage discipline, and he learned much from them about letting loose and having fun. In fact, by the time TNG ended in 1994, Frakes said that Stewart was the silliest one on the set.
Related to the part about Stewart offending both Dorn and Burton -- Burton took the time and care to take Stewart to a space that they could talk alone, in order to explain to him why it was hurtful and offensive, and Stewart understood and accepted responsibility for it. Now they're good friends. I often cite this as one of my favorite examples of calling someone in, rather than calling someone out as social media is so quick to do.
From the 2012 Calgary Comic and Entertainment Expo TNG Reunion panel, Stewart was asked what he wishes he could have told the younger version of himself back in 1987. His response was "It is possible to do great work, and to have a great deal of fun doing it."
@@robwilliams6753 FYI I knew nothing about this until.... I have read this post. My only gripe is at the sources that are not plainly stated, so I could go and check it myself. However, I did find this post enlightening. Why most people like you come on RUclips/Facebook whatever, only to bring arguments and discord? Smh!🤦♂️
The TNG sets were notoriously bad for sound, from the birds in the roof to the bad acoustics. For scenes that were actually broadcast, they often rerecorded them. So much of what we saw was lipsyncing.
@@jasonwalker9471 I noticed a similar problem with main engineering alcoves in a behind the scenes _ST: Voyager_ video. Plus when Garret Wang crossed that set, the plastic fixtures would creek ridiculously.
I'd love to see Picard's speech about having a therapist on the bridge. "This is the 24th century and we are all well-adjusted adults that don't require a therapist holding our hands."
Steward Patricksson lost all my respect playing pick-a-card, any card season 1 and 2. Season 3: Memberberry Picard had a lot of weight but not because of Hattrick Diehard, but because some Greek descendant mad lad decided to make Star Trek into characters telling a story once again. I hate fanboys.
For the the entire scene you could tell Patrick Stewart was trying to recall his lines between long pauses. He kept it together until then.
I sometimes imagine the scene of people waiting for the turbolift wondering why it’s taking so long
I love that in Star Trek II Bones has the reaction we've always wanted in scenes like this. Kirk and Saavik are having a discussion in the turbolift and when they finally get to their destination, Bones is standing right there going "Who's been holding up the damn elevator?"
The Enterprise D is so big that you could walk all day and not see another living soul.
@@purefoldnz3070 More likely to meet the dolphins.
The Romulan Zone is the worst.
It'll be fine. It's just Twilight Zone with pointy ears, and really efficient torturers.
Great death metal band.
Yep, it's where an actor's forgotten lines go off to die.
I love how the blocking has Picard pacing back and forth in such a confined space. I dunno why, it just feels like pacing in the equivalent of an elevator is a funny concept to me. I also like how Picard has to stop the turbolift to let his thoughts play out.
@@james66666 😆 True enough.
Klingon attack? That’s ridiculous Picard! What is this, the last century? No wonder she started laughing.
7 years later: "Oh god, the Klingons are murdering everyone, even the wounded & non-combatants!"
I know this is brought up a lot with Troi "INtakes", but Marina Sirtis seems like such a warm, funny person and it never came across in her actual performance. I'm sure they wanted her to be somewhat "alien" since her character is half-Betazoid, but the way they wrote her made her seem too cold to be the one person on the ship who is supposed to be in tune with everyone's emotions. As a result, Guinan made a better counselor.
She was excellent in the films (and one of the best parts of _Picard)_ because the writers set her loose.
There's a certain coldness to clinical professionalism. You're supposed to open up to your counselor so you don't want her/him/them to laugh at your vulnerabilities nor condescend emotionally in any way.
Deanna in particular has to process the emotions of everyone she interacts with in addition to her own. That would take great self-control.
If she just let the walls down and showed emotions she knows others would welcome, she'd be just another Kamala. (see the Perfect Mate in episode guides).
Forcing the "Betazoid accent" on her really didn't help. But the main issue is definitely the scriptwriters who kept making her look useless and boring. Her job should not have been to state the obvious.
Plus? Guinan had booze- and yes, you could ask for the real stuff.
@@alm2187 True, but there's a difference between being professional and being a robot. You can be objective and also caring. I agree that another issue other people pointed out was not letting her use her real accent, which made her feel even more stiff.
They don't have to fight guys in lizard costumes on Earth.
I think if they're in costumes, its pretty exclusively on Earth
Phoebe: "At my old planet, we never fought guys in lizard costumes!"
TNG INtakes are the best
I guess surviving season 1 and 2 really did something to the bond between the cast.
I hate it when the Bolg-or-whatever attack!
My new headcanon is that Picard has fought so many enemies that he can no longer keep them all straight in his head.
There IS an actual episode in which he mixes up Telerians with Terelians.
@@alm2187 Which episode is that?
I am Locutus of Bolg
I believe it's Heart of Glory, @@waltonsimons12
Two Klingons claim to have been passengers on this Talarian ship. Picard maybe thinks there's a hole in that story and muses to Riker how they need to know why the Taralian ship was so far off-course.
(By the way, spellings of these two species names were inconsistent in my search hits, so I'm not sure if I'm spelling them correctly either.)
I love the anticipation. You know that INtake is coming!
Troi: "I sense the weight of this duty upon you."
Picard: "Yes, I shouldn't have eaten that spicy bowl of Klingon gagh this morning... now if you'll excuse me, I have a heavy doody that I must confront. I'll be in my quarters counselor."
Is this whole clip the INtake? IF not the boom mic operator must have been losing their minds. "Holy crap Shakespeare-in-the-park the mic is over here. Hit you marks on the carpet Stewart." Let's just ignore the scene is in a turbolift and Picard spends his time talking to the walls instead of Deanna. Marina is a gem.
"Death is a natural part of life." Yeah, tell that to the kids who are about to die in a warp core breach
Or a transporter accident...
Or getting murdered by Winnie the Pooh because the holodeck safties malfuctioned again
or suddenly fall halfway through the floor because some space anomaly temporarily dematerialized it. That one truly creeped me out.
I wonder if just anyone could stop the Turbolifts or if you needed clearance above a certain level.
"Geez, the turbolift is taking a long time to get to me today. Maybe I should walk."
"So, is this Turbolift under maintenance?"
"No, I think the captain is monologuing."
"Is it just me or is Cmdr. Riker grumpy lately?" "The Captain revoked his turbolift override privileges after he had to wait 15 minutes for Riker to finish having a quickie with someone from Engineering."
I was waiting for Troi to say "if you can't take it here..." 😂
Poor kid. He just wanted to go to school, but Picard put him on the Highway to The Romulan Zone.
Repel a Klingon attack, how very Kirk of you
Jean Luc.
To Seek Out New Life, and New Weird Radishes
Well, it is a great question open for debate. What is the reason for having families on a starship.. and do they empty the civilians before engaging for example the Borg in defence of Earth..
So they could have Wesley Wesley Crusher to attract the younger viewers
On a ship principally designed for scientific exploration in peace time, does it make more sense to force kids to grow up without parents because the possibility exists that they may run into a hostile species? The saucer separation or going to a starbase before battle was their solution. Meanwhile, when the Borg attacked Earth, where would those billions of civilians have gone to? There are going to be problems no matter what choice is made.
=- T a genius actor ! ! !
Yeah, it's not like the Breen or a fleet of assimilated Starfleet ships could ever threaten Earth...
Wow. Thats a great point. If only there was some way of separating the ship so that the part with the kids could be left behind before going charging into potential destruction. 🤔 Starfleet should look into that.
See, he's getting over it already!
If Picard thinks the Enterprise is likely to be fighting off Bolg, he's been reading _The Hobbit_ too much.
Here I was like.. where's the INtake?... then it hit at the end...
Them Borgs 😂
Them pesky Borgs
Stopping an elevator with a opposite sex subordinate? What an embarrassing gaffe!
What part was the in/outtake?
Captain your whole face is red and you're sweating... I sense you might be stressed
Here's a fun game: any time Deanna's empathic powers are referenced pretend she's a scam artist who got on the Federation's flagship by just pretending to be an empath. There's a few episodes where it doesn't work but the vast majority of the time it does.
"What can your empathy tell us about them?"
"I'm not sure, the impressions I'm getting are unclear."
Pasted from FB group;
What is the reason that Patrick Stewart didn't like working with Jonathan Frakes on set during his time on Star Trek: The Next Generation?
It wasn’t just Frakes. Patrick Stewart had problems with everybody in the cast at one point or another.
When he first started working in TNG, Stewart felt like an outsider and didn’t really expect the show to last; so, he conducted himself in a strictly professional manner and didn’t really bond with any of the TNG cast, including Frakes. Stewart was rather appalled, actually, that the younger castmembers didn’t seem as focused and serious about the job as he was. It irritated him immensely that Jonathan Frakes and Brent Spiner and the others frequently broke character and joked and pranked on the set. To the theatre-trained Stewart, this behavior was unacceptable.
^^^ Stewart was there to do a job, not to have fun.
This resulted in some pretty terrific conflicts between Stewart and the other castmembers. For example, he got into angry arguments with Michael Dorn on several occasions, during one of which Stewart uttered a racial epithet that grossly offended both Dorn and LeVar Burton. Stewart said that he meant it as an “innocent remark,” but he regretted it for decades thereafter.
By the end of the first season, however, when he saw the growing fan base and realized that this show with its undisciplined cast was going to work and was going to last, Stewart relaxed and began to embrace the mischievous TNG group, even enjoying and taking part in the on-set hijinx that persisted all day and into night-time shoots.
Little did the others suspect that Stewart’s unleashed humor could be quite barbed and insulting, as when he loudly criticized the shallowness of the Deanna Troi character and called actress Marina Sirtis a “stupid cow” to her face…which was a mistake. Sirtis was already insecure (thinking they hired her only for her ample cleavage) and she, also, felt her role was one-dimensional, always parroting the insipid line “Captain, they’re hiding something.”
His mean wisecrack hit a nerve, and Sirtis angrily jumped up in Stewart’s face and read him the riot act in front of everyone on the set - an outburst that ironically brought the two (and the whole cast) closer. They all had their conflicts with Stewart, and he with them, and the airing of grievances was cathartic, I think, helping to fuse them into one of the great ensemble casts in television history.
Jonathan Frakes and Brent Spiner became among Stewart’s closest friends on TNG and in real life; they learned much from him regarding stage discipline, and he learned much from them about letting loose and having fun. In fact, by the time TNG ended in 1994, Frakes said that Stewart was the silliest one on the set.
Related to the part about Stewart offending both Dorn and Burton -- Burton took the time and care to take Stewart to a space that they could talk alone, in order to explain to him why it was hurtful and offensive, and Stewart understood and accepted responsibility for it. Now they're good friends. I often cite this as one of my favorite examples of calling someone in, rather than calling someone out as social media is so quick to do.
Oh, a facebook group reported this 20 years after the fact, what a scoop! How about researching actual sources if you're gonna post quotes.
From the 2012 Calgary Comic and Entertainment Expo TNG Reunion panel, Stewart was asked what he wishes he could have told the younger version of himself back in 1987. His response was "It is possible to do great work, and to have a great deal of fun doing it."
@@MadMac5 please don't bail out the FB group poster, let him squirm on the hook all on his own self.
@@robwilliams6753 FYI I knew nothing about this until.... I have read this post. My only gripe is at the sources that are not plainly stated, so I could go and check it myself. However, I did find this post enlightening. Why most people like you come on RUclips/Facebook whatever, only to bring arguments and discord?
Smh!🤦♂️
Strange sound quality. Voices reverberating off the set walls. Almost like a camcorder's onboard microphone.
The TNG sets were notoriously bad for sound, from the birds in the roof to the bad acoustics. For scenes that were actually broadcast, they often rerecorded them. So much of what we saw was lipsyncing.
@@jasonwalker9471 I noticed a similar problem with main engineering alcoves in a behind the scenes _ST: Voyager_ video.
Plus when Garret Wang crossed that set, the plastic fixtures would creek ridiculously.
them bawgs
I'd love to see Picard's speech about having a therapist on the bridge. "This is the 24th century and we are all well-adjusted adults that don't require a therapist holding our hands."
Steward Patricksson lost all my respect playing pick-a-card, any card season 1 and 2. Season 3: Memberberry Picard had a lot of weight but not because of Hattrick Diehard, but because some Greek descendant mad lad decided to make Star Trek into characters telling a story once again. I hate fanboys.
Doesn't sound like you have any respect for anyone..
He's an actor. He tells lies for a living. You can't blame him for bad writing.
I think someone has had too much synthehol
@@geoffroi-le-Hook Romulan ale, more like