The longer I think about the two lesbian seamonster old ladies, the more it breaks my heart. They left the sea, fled to the human town, hid themselves for what must to have been YEARS, never fully belonging to either the sea or the land. The spent so long silently enduring the hated and slander against their kind, eventually having to play along just to keep peace, only being themselves behind closed doors. They grew cold and isolated. Then one day, two little seamonsters show up in town, and while there are those who hate them immediately, there are so many that accept them. The two women look at each other with a nod, drop their umbrellas, and for the first time in years, feel the rain against their skin and are able to be themselves for the first time in decades.
Nothing to do with how gay this movie is, but I was surprised when Julia's dad said he was just born with one arm. I don't think I've ever seen that in a movie before, they always have to attach a story to a missing limb.
Other things I liked about the movie were that Giulia's dad is disabled and he was actually born without a right arm, where you might expect him to have lost it, with his profession. Also out of the two teammates of Ercole (the bully), the fat kid swims and the thin kid eats pasta in the triathlon.
I was surprised at how unique the movie was esp. because it dealt with disneys classic “i want to go to the outside world but parents say no :(“ trope. But despite its similarity to other movies it still stood out and became my fave of the year
I was so happy when he said he was born without his full arm and also that there was no major reaction to it. It's just like "oh, okay, whatever." Doesn't matter, no need to make a fuss. Yes!
I really love Massimo, he's easily one of the best Disney/Pixar dads. I love how he cares about Giulia and the father-and-son relationship he develops with Alberto too. I think this movie has a lot of very well done male representation and that's just great!
another thing that really hit me was the fact that luca ended up the movie as a seamonster. like he was in the train and the last shot of him is he going inside as a seamonster after getting wet by the rain. and he just doesnt care. hes not afraid of showing who he is anymore. thats beautiful
hi! Italian here, just wanted to add that the song that plays while they goof around with their diy Vespa, "il gatto e la volpe", is a song about two friends/companions being in business and having fun and getting in trouble (kind of, but the point is that it could be seen as a song about friendship) WHILE the song that plays right at the end and during the credits, "città vuota", it's actually a love song about missing one's lover who had to go away but still being hopeful of their return and spending the rest of their life together.... so yeah, id say pretty gay
Da Persona Italiana, non sapevo nulla del significato della canzone finale, e mi rincuora decisamente! Credo che i 2 ragazzini provino comunque una forte amicizia prima di tutto, ma crescendo capiranno che potrebbe esserci qualcosa di più profondo (oltre alla loro amicizia che rimane)
@@adelina-805 it's a silly handshake that kids do, the phrase literally translates to "pleased to meet you, Girolamo Trombetta"! funny thing, I found out that the name is not the same everywhere here :)
A lot of people with bigoted beliefs towards homosexuality focus on the "sexuality". But sex doesn't have to be a factor for it to be gay, just like a straight love story doesn't have to have a bed scene to affirm that it's a love story.
I interpreted Alberto’s jealousy as a part of his abandonment issues. That said, it doesn’t make his jealously any less gay, it just means the context of his issues goes deeper.
@@hinamatsuro1908 I can understand that take, but this interpretation of Luca is based off more than just Luca and Alberto’s closeness. It’s a matter of the the metaphors this movie makes that can give something for queer people to relate to. The idea of not being able to show your true self and not being accepted by your family because you decided to push against the norms. It’s all explained in this video.
I came in knowing they weren’t supposed to be gay but friends. However, the animators or someone thought differently. The body language, the day dreams, and the jealousy scenes were exactly how characters express love interest. Especially the train scene, their hand placement, the way they said goodbye, and the sacrifices made for each other. Luca and Alberto letting go of each other’s hands and crying like two lovers with one going away to the war. Also compare the going away scene to Wraph breaks the Internet. That movie the characters cry but the camera angles, the body language used was of a father figure letting go of a child. There is even a joke made about his dad joke. This movie is also supposed to be about friends however it is shown also from a parent/child relationship. The same goes for Luca. They say that they have a strong friendship but the camera angles, music, and body language mirrors a love scene from movies. Sorry Disney but someone working on this was adding a queer story in there.
@𝕤 𝕜 𝕪 𝕝 𝕒 𝕣 That makes sense, through a lot of people must have been on board with all that theming subtext, seamonster, I can ge behund that, if a more than one person was on board with that gay "sub" text idea.
Oml me too! I had read about the director stating that this movie was supposed to be about friendship, not queer romance, but the moment I watched it I could not stop thinking about the body language, facial expressions and delivery of the scenes between Alberto and Luca 😭
I don''t think this can be a one person decision, all of these things go through multiple states of development and multiple people, I think either they didn't see it, what I find improbable or they can't admit because Disney.
@@ezriquinn6706 they literally kiss on the mouth at the end? And there's a whole arse scene just beforehand about Ponyo's parents testing Sosuke, and whether he really loves her and will take care of her?? Just saying, that's one of the less ambiguous romances in a Ghibli film 😂 and it's a completely innocent love story between kids
@Why Why I get that but I also think that it has the found family trope, which is like a known thing that a lot of people who don’t fit in (ie.queer people) flock to. I think you can interpret it as platonic, I can interpret it as a mostly coming of age with a romance side plot, our opinions can co exist simply because my opinion truly doesn’t change much of the plot, like the only thing that might’ve happened differently was like a kiss on the cheek, or dramatic hand holding.
"Here is a thing I probably shouldn't do friends, What are your thoughts?".... 10 mins later: Makes unhinged lesbian rant - "In my defence I was left unattended!".... I am here for this.
My straight brother and I watched the movie and the scene where Luca goes back to the tower to apologize to Alberto and finds the picture torn in half he said, “He done broke up with you Luca.” Lol
Im so surprised that this isn’t canononically gay. I’m straight. I watched this movie with 0 context. Didn’t even watch the trailer beforehand. I immediately saw the subtext, and I thought it was 100% intentional by the time alberto came out to Julia. I had no reason to be looking for a queer theme but it was absolutely there from start to finish. Loved the movie
I was looking for this comment cause I had the exact same experience. However, I did hear rumours that some people thought it was gay but that it wasn't. I didn't want to see the movie through a lens the creators didn't intend, so I completely shut out that possibility and didn't think about it at all while watching the movie. Thus, I started to get really confused when Alberto became jealous for literally no reason and started acting out. I totally get being jealous of a friend hanging out with others (its worth mentioning I do have jealousy/envy issues in general) but it's usually rooted in something (Ie your friend's friend is mean to you, you don't like them/they don't like you, your friend has been avoiding you, etc). I suppose it was because Luca was talking about how cool Julia was. As a straight person, I have experienced this type of jealousy over very close friends, but not to the extreme extent that Alberto does; it's more of a passing thought. I'm usually able to easily overcome this because I'm overall happy that my friend has other great people in their life that care about them. I have seen/heard of other straight people acting this possessive towards a friend, but it's rather uncommon. Anyway, I can't emphasize to THAT extent with Alberto's jealous (again, despite being a very jealous person) and was confused by that plot thread for days after watching the movie. I remember saying aloud to myself while watching the movie "Why is he THAT jealous?? I don't think the writers of this movie understands human emotion" Really, the only possible way Alberto makes sense to me is if he's gay, it ain't even a gay or European thing, it's very clear. Before watching this video even, I had come to the conclusion that: screw the creators, you don't get to dictate intent when your story has such a clear opposite impact. As an amateur writer (I dnt write much now but I used to), if multiple people see a plot/character differently than intended, I usually at least accept their interpretation is valid, potentially more valid. Taking this as a form of constructive criticism, I usually think to myself that my intent was not clear in my writing and I shall improve on this in the future. ESPECIALLY, if someone interpreted a character as queer, I would let them have it, at the bare minimum I would say something like "I didn't intend this but your perspective adds to the story in new and interesting ways, I love it!" In conclusion to my overly long rant; ALBERTO IS GAY (and Luca is probs bi), F U PIXAR!!!
@@cristlewrite7944 Wtf do you mean why was he so jealous? Maybe because he was alone for years and everyone who he cared about left him so he doesn’t want Luca to leave….? idk just a theory oh wait that’s literally explained in the plot. You know what isn’t anywhere in the plot? A gay romance.
This video had POWERFUL ENERGY. Also I haven't seen Luca yet but actual published critic who works at The Wrap Alonso Duralde absolutely agrees with you about the queer metaphor.
If you ever made a video analyzing Luca I might actually die. Lol in all seriousness it’s actually awesome to see that one of my favorite youtubers watches one of my other favorite youtubers.
It's all you stated and well there is some start-building of a love-story between Alberto & Luca so heavily hinted on the ending but furtherlymore when you do some research about the translation of the lines on both the opening and ending-credits songs: "Un baccio a mezzanotte" (A kiss at midnight) and "Citta vuota" (Empty/Lonely city) all hinting about how no matter if it's supposed to be a hard-core best-friends-for-life thing it only works as a COVER or it was just the start of an acceptable introduction of something deeper and not-so stalthy hidden behind that, as it was not suitable for such a wider-audience release on family distribution, as there is a lot of conservative-traditional issues running on which might backfire hard on money and commercial distribution for it and all which the Disney Company ever does produces, so they couldn't risk to openly state and accept all, so they played safely just leaving open-hints for the proper audience to notice them and stand about it, whereas the conservative ones just see a smaller harmless less-complex storyline and get totally nuts when others point on the opposite. There is nothing left behind randomly, it's not just the songs choices (there is also a third one on the operatic aria addressing about what will be Luca's trouble with his parents somehow), the card which both Luca & Alberto stole was meant to hint about a new-relationship start and well there are some gay, lesbian and bi pride banners about the colors of Luca, Giullia and Alberto's designs.
im just leaving this comment here since many people havent noticed, probably because they dont understand the language; the last song that plays during the credit scenes is "Cittá Vuota" by Mina, and it's a song about seeing your own city as empty because your lover isn't no longer there with you and you are waiting for them to return..... like.... c'mon
@Grace-Angelle Lombrage but Pixar has made an lgbtq+ short and their staff is apparently very diverse (Emphases on apparently bc I'm too lazy to actually fact check that) so I think it's more Disney than Pixar. I think they cut out a gay storyline and Disney literally straightened it out
@Alejandro Valencia baby they wanna sell it to China, not India, India is not a big market for Disney anyways, also in India being queer is legalised. and 5 days before Luca one of our state court banned conversion therapy and passed a law to add lgbt curriculum. So I don't think India would be their biggest concern for this
Only Disney can make a movie that CLEARLY is about homosexuality and yet be so scared to put a kiss scene. And don't tell me it's because "they are kids", they showed a lot of kids kissing in several films.
yessss. especiaally when those two old ladys came out as seamonsters... I'm like.. "nono that's symbolize luca and arnesto being gay and excepted so they came out as gay too"
with disney it’s either “this character is gay!” and it’s barely or never even shown in the story, or it’s “guys it’s not gay lol haha” and the characters are so obviously queer
I attended a panel with the director and the creative leaders of the film. The moderator said they were getting a lot of questions about this and no one denied any queer subtext. They said they liked leaving it open and that as they were making it they realised how this experience can relate to LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, and other “othered” people. They talked about how this film is Luca struggling with his identity, and accepting himself, and finding those who will accept him, and acknowledged that that is a very queer narrative and they liked to know people could project into this character’s positive journey.
Thank you for explaining this! I do like that it is open ended because struggling with your identity isn't exclusively a queer thing, but I can also see how other people are frustrated with it not being explicitly stated since Disney hasn't ever had an exclusively gay character (no LeFou doesn't count!). It's nice to know that the creators aren't saying it ISN'T gay (like the video claimed the creators are denying the gayness of it).
@@loverrlee I agree! but I don't think the creator of the video came up with that out of nowhere. i read all of the "news" articles about wether the film is queer or not there are, and all of them said that the director claimed it was meant to be a platonic friendship and nothing more. I'm really glad i saw this comment!
@@loverrlee I’m sorry but I don’t even buy that’s it just about struggling with identity or other-ness. The number of scenes that were coded to reflect conversion therapy, “outing”, romance, etc. - things that only apply to queerness - is too many. It’s completely obviously written to reflect a gay coming-of-age story and the fact that this is a debate or denied even remotely astounds me.
This story is literally about a boy who runs away from his family because they are oppressing his "dangerous" wants and needs, who then goes to live with his cool, chill new friend who lives alone because his family abandoned him and the two then spend their days trying to figure out how to buy a vespa so they can dissapear into the quaint Italian countryside all alone with no one to tell them what they have to do or be, never to be heard from again. I'm sorry, how is this not gay!??? These two literally re invented the cottage core lifestyle.
if you replaced alberto with a girl and had him being jealous over giulia, people would say they were in love. they're like 13-14, it's insane people think they wouldn't have crushes unless they're straight. edit: this comment reply section has gotten soo out of hand y’all, this comment is saying people should be ALLOWED to ship without being called pedos, if u don’t I ship them don’t care ToT stop being pressed at me
To add more points: - “Vespa is freedom” Their goal was to get that freedom and then use it to run away together and spend their lives together. - The notion of if you love someone, set them free. Alberto realized he cared more about Luca’s happiness than his own wants. Cause really, there’s no heterosexual explanation for the train scene. - Luca said that his parents were going to take him away from everything he loved and send him away. He said the word love. Thought those were worthy additions. Amazing points though in everything you said. This was a very thorough analysis of the major subtext in the movie.
This is why I really hated the ending of this movie. The train scene felt like the writers trying to undo all the romantic subtext at the last second. There was in no way enough emotional setup between Alberto and the rest of the side characters to make me believe that character would have been happy staying behind with everyone else's parents in the tiny fishing town. In the last 3 minutes or so of the movie, they manage to undo the main duo's only motivations, which were to stay together and to chase their freedom via the Vespa symbolism. Instead the ending feels like the filmmakers deliberately snatch the rug out from under you by splitting Luca and Alberto up. It felt very Hays Code for kids. It seemed like they were setting Alberto up to have an arc involving him having a fear of admitting when he's wrong (like the scene with the stars not being fish) and maybe he was going to overcome that in a similar way to Luca overcoming his fear. That's literally how you do an opposites attract dynamic; they could have learned from each other and actually given Alberto some growth and development. Even if they wanted to keep the ending where the kids all 3 go to school, Alberto would have been overcoming some of the possessiveness they seemed to be hinting at, by doing the thing Luca wants instead of insisting on the Vespa. This also would have tied into Alberto needing to learn that there's room in their found family for all 3 protagonists and that it doesn't need to be an either or scenario. Instead we get this ending that kind of lowkey reinforces the heteronormative status quo and says actually Luca would be better off without Alberto and Alberto should just learn to be happy in the tiny fishing town. They don't need each other and they don't need to get their freedom and live a happy life together. I hated it. If anyone should have had that tear-filled goodbye at the train station, it should have been Luca's parents. They were the ones who needed to love him enough to let him go, and maybe even acknowledge that his found family was a better fit for him than their "because I said so" style of parenting. It legit felt like if, at the end of Mulan, they kept the movie going for juuuust long enough for her to go back to the matchmaker, learn to be a perfect bride after all.
i’m hoping if there’s anything positive about this movie not being explicitly queer, it’s that it has the opportunity to reach more queer kids than if it had. kids with homophobic parents are going to get the opportunity to watch this movie and hopefully understand the subtext and feel seen and supported in how they feel
this is exactly what i thought. at first i wanted it to be more explicit but honestly what i want doesn't matter if it helps some gay kid with homophobic parents to come to terms with who they are and not feel like they're alone in this world. this movie is for them.
The True definition of a bright side. One day I wish for the world to be at a point where that won’t be the case but as it is now I agree. At least this movie can get to the eyes of many queer youth without homophobic gatekeepers. It will be the VERY obvious wink letting them know you are not alone and you are Valid. (Even though they deserve more than some not so subtle subtext)
@@marteenyo Also the fact that even if the romance isn't explicit at least there is no straight romance or allusion to any interest in girls from Luca and Alberto
If Julia and Alberto had been swapped, I guarantee you EVERYONE would have assumed that they had a crush on each other, and it would have been seen as a romance movie. But for some reason just because it's two boys the thought that they would be romantically interested in each other FLYS out the window for most people
To some extent, I get it. Hetero romances are a dime a dozen, but gay ones are rare, especially in big-name kid's media. Friendships are much more common; if you hear hoofbeats, expect horses, not zebras. That logic does break down when you can see the metaphorical stripes, of course...and Luca definitely seems like a stripe movie.
bruhhhh This opened my eyes... before reading this I was like,, they could just be friends or they could have been crushing.. BUT THEN I IMAGINED THIS but with one of them as girls and I was like yeah ok they definitely had a thing 😶
I think it’s because hetero relationships are so common that people kinda just expect it now and don’t really see the signs when it’s most definitely gay. Like the other person said people expect a horse not a zebra. And when one comes along they just think it’s a horse
people saying "they can't be gay theyre kids" as if sexuality has age restriction. with that mindset neither can they be straight since they're kids, right? and yet they keep on telling 5 years old boy and girl that are friends to date i cant
I know, I always hate it when they say they’re too young to know! Why are all the Straights™ so insistent on buying shirts for their nine year old boy that say something like ‘This is a LADIES man’ but the moment we suggest that their kid might be gay they’re all like nOOo hE’s tOO yOunG tO kNoW!!11!! So he should be too young to know if he’s straight too, right?!
its because in their ignorance, they assume romance=sex when it comes to lgbt relationships, which is absurd because when its a heterosexual relationship like Carl and Ellie, it _is_ romance and adorable and completely valid. its the double standard that annoys me
The MINUTE Luca was announced and I read the basic plot synopsis, I was like “oh, so it’s animated Call Me By Your Name but with sea monsters and without the problematic aspects of CMBYN. This is gonna be amazing”
Except Call Me By Your Name was gross. That man was way too old for that child. The song is awesome tho, even if a lot of the CGI in the music video is trash lol
@@chubeatle wow, I missed a few words while scrolling through comments. Damn, you got me good. Congrats. Also, I just really don't like that movie *because* of the *very* problematic parts so I was complaining about it, not attacking the OP
@@lil-oah6592 that doesn’t matter, because art is subjective. Our interpretation of this art is that it’s a gay story, and nothing can take that away from us.
Even if the characters aren’t gay, the movies is a beautiful allegory to accepting yourself and the world’s acceptance of your especially being LGBTQ+. Constantly through the film their hiding their sea monster appearance which could be interpreted as hiding one’s true self, which can be hiding the LGBTQ+ part of yourself from the world. It’s just a thought, but I kinda like it as that allegory. And that could be for accepting people for anything!
yes. especially how the town always hated and hunted sea monsters. yet once the town learned that even tho Luca and Armesto are sea monsters, they are still Luca and Armesto, and therefore majority of them excepted and supported their identity as sea monsters
One thing that I really love was how at the train station scene both Alberto and Luca get into their sea monster versions and I thought it was so beautiful. Like, for me, it was like Alberto was outing himself all over again because Luca was worth it. And as the train left the tunnel and the rain pours over Luca, and he gets this sense of freedom and happiness, because he accepted it now. He accepts himself. That was so beautiful in my opinion, how light he felt at that end, even though he was gonna be away from his family and his one very good friend (that he totally doesn't have a crush on, definitely). Anyway, something that really gets me sad is how people find it odd when queer people relate to their stories. Man, why is it so bad to have queer people relating to your characters? Is it because you don't want to be associated with us? Do you think being queer is... bad? As I see it queer experiences are so hard and valid, it should be praised when a story touches us like that. Also, let kids be gay, if Luca was Lucia or Alberto was Alberta I'm pretty sure this would have a different outgoing. Kids have crushs, and it's not a sexual thing. That's it, thanks for making this amazing video.
What you pointed out made me love that train scene more than I already do. And yeah, it seems like the people who dislike the idea of Luca or Alberto being gay are either homophobic or genuinely think that any character is straight until proven gay. People interpreting the things the animators clearly put in that were suggesting a crush or closer than friends... I mean, it isn't like people are thinking this is a gay movie for no reason.
Also, to me, the fact that they are denying that the movie is gay, makes it more certain that the intentions were to make it gay. I mean, whenever they show two male characters in a movie that have a friendship but they end up with straight romantic realtionships (Finn Poe, Steve Bucky...) whenever they get asked if they are gay, or bi, the creators do stuff like "If you want them to see them like that, they are like that to you, sure" but here they are denying it because they know they would actually get in trouble if they played the "they are gay if you want to" card.
The director of the movie said the movie is about platonic friendships, though he was flattered when all the "Call Me By Your Name" comparisons came out when the trailer dropped. I think you could read it both ways. Like we're desperate for both queer relationships and loving platonic same sex friendships.
@@MayorOfEarth79 No one's desperate for loving platonic same sex friendships in media. They're everywhere. Loving platonic opposite sex friendships in media are far, far less common, and yet I never see people complain about that
which is odd cause they didn't care at all if people watned FinnPoe to be a thing or Stucky like they kinda played with that a little why make a big deal with Luca? Is it cause it's an ANIMATED KID FRIENDLY film? And what MCU SW isn't marketed towards families?
So I'm as straight as a parabola, but even I wasn't expecting this movie to be read as gay and it WAS. It was SO. GAY. I kept seeing gay metaphors. It was there. In my face. In my eyes. In my soul.The jealousy, the "underdogs", Alberto outing himself, Luca outing himself to save Alberto, and finally, the train scene. THE TRAIN SCENE. Michael M. Mouse, this is gay and you are a coward.
It is released during pride month - a corporation is not 1 person. There absolutely must be little gay angels working at disney to have made this film happen.
Same. The year that I came out, my grandma and her girlfriend of like 30 years came out to me and my siblings. I teared up at the two old ladies at the end.
When people say "Oh they're kids why are you making them gay/making it romantic" listen. that last train scene was literally the same scene as that one train scene in The Book of Life, and everyone and their grandma shipped Maria and Manolo. You cant say one is 'cute young love' and the other is 'forced romance'
That and another Pixar Studios example. Carl and Ellie from Up. They have very similar personalities/interactions to Alberto and Luca. Alberto is boisterous, reckless, but has a caring protective side like Ellie. Luca is timid and thoughtful, but has an adventurous side that his partner brings out which is exactly like Carl! If Luca or Alberto were an opposite sex pair people would say it was just like Carl and Ellie and they'd think, "Aw, they'll get married when they grow up just like Carl and Ellie did in Up."
My exact quote to my friend after I finished it was “for a “totally not gay” movie it still managed to be the gayest thing I’ve ever seen” so yah you are not alone. It’s super gay. Also the first time Luca comes out of the water he says things like “I can’t be here. I’m a good boy. I can’t do this, it’s wrong….” And like if that’s not what a baby gay raised in a homophobic community sounds like I don’t know what would. He clearly want to come out of the water and he knows that he belongs on land and once he’s out he finds the most joy he’s ever had. It’s soooo gay
I feel like he really did mean it when he said it, but he really shouldn't deny the fact that even if the characters aren't actually gay it is a story that has a lot of people relating to the character's storyline. If anything the movie being gay was more accidental, or wasn't ment to be interpreted that way but still opens that door to allow it to be seen like that as again a lot of people do relate to it and that idea shouldn't be turned down for that reason. Weither the characters are Gay or not, dating or just having a genuine friendship, their story obviously reaches out far and that fact should never be denied.
Why should it even be gay? Come on, they are just kids, it's not even a love story. The only thing I see is a strong friendship between boys. I know that it might seem so, but why? Why do people keep bringing lgbt to every interaction between kids like these?? Please, leave this movie be just about friendship :c I'm so sick of people shipping every character in the movies even if they weren't meant to be in love in the first place.
@@toastywaffle5210 we arent shipping characters, theres lots of scenes in the movie that imply a romantic relationship rather than a friendship. thats why everybody is upset. and it's like they said in the video, you can have films with innocent childhood crushes. it happens all the time with straight kids in media. whats the difference if they're queer? not every romantic relationship revolves around sexual things.
@@toastywaffle5210 As everyone been saying there are lots of scenes that suggest at least one of the characters to be part of that community and many from said community has related to their story. Which is why I say it was more accidental than purposely made gay as their are so many animated movies about a genuine friendship between two characters that end up being seen as a romance despite again, it never being one in the first place and is just simply a movie about friendship. (Yes, I do believe the creator when he says this wasn't a gay story as it was a very personal story for him, and not really for the audience. Unless he states otherwise, all I see is a movie about a strong friendship between the characters as again two gay characters don't always have to end up being in a relationship) Even if the characters are gay or identify as something different, they don't have to romantically attracted to each other and can still hold a friendship with each other. In the end it is all up to the person watching it.
People may try to say "this isn't a gay movie" because noting explicitly gay, i.e. a kiss, open declaration of love, etc. happens on screen. When I was watching this although nothing like that happened I cried because this was similar to my experience growing up. Never showing who I was to my peers because I saw how they treated and talked about more out and proud gay kids at my school, or having parents that were somewhat accepting but scared because they didn't know better. This movie shows a queer experience because it was my experience growing up. A "gay movie" doesn't need to be explicitly gay or have characters say that they are to still have that subtext baked into every single plot point of the film. If anything this movie is gayer than any "first ever exclusive gay character" Disney has ever thrown in as a pithy example of representation. If they actually wanted queer representation they wouldn't still be doubling down on this while still trying to promote their pride merch as if that actually means anything.
I heard something interesting in James Somerton’s video about Yuri on Ice. He said that Western media and its audiences tend to require way more explicit plot beats than other cultures, due to some really complicated reasons about oral traditions in different parts of the world. So a piece of media can be purposely sending certain messages or have canonical gay relationships without there actually being a kiss scene. It’s kind of a comforting lens to view this movie from. The real message is in the visual storytelling (and the author is dead!!).
So you’re saying it’s a “gay movie” because the main character isn’t accepted by his peers, even tho it’s because he’s a FISH MONSTER and not because he’s gay
@@The_Holy_Wooomy metaphors? also once again you could view the movie in three different ways because there’s not a specific romantic plot, simply because that’s not the intention. you could take it as luca and alberto having a crush on giulia (apparently that’s how her name is spelled, didn’t know that), alberto being the only one with a crush on giulia and being jealous because luca is spending more time with her than he gets to with her, or as luca having/not having a crush on giulia while alberto has a crush on luca. once again, technically that’s 4 since it’s two different possibilities in the last one, but you can interpret it as literal or metaphorical, and as for romance there’s 4+ ways to interpret it since it’s not really intended to be about romance.
I wish more movies were like that to be honest. I'm all for more representation but I'm so sick of the "Guys, this film has a [insert underused character type] in it! Tell everyone to go see it!!" Because when that becomes the focus, it just feels like begging for attention and half the time said minority or rare pair isn't even a main character or its only one scene. When you don't advertise it or try to make a statement, leave the film up for people to take it in as is, you can expand stories to just be stories without so much focus on how they treated the token character(s). And also doing it this way means kids who may never get to see it because of conservative patents up in arms about them being brainwashed by "the gay agenda" can enjoy an actually good movie and decide for themselves what it means to them. Maybe it's a gay story, maybe it's a coming of age with two boys leaving home to try to find themselves, maybe it's a country boy who wants to pursue and education if he could afford it, maybe it's just a cute fish out of water experience as two fish have slice of life misadventures on land. My only concern is now that several youtubers have brought it up, it won't take long for the media to go "We were lied to! Boycott this movie!!" And ruin the fun for everyone.
i interpreted it as gay, and i am not even gay. the way i saw it, the kids are discovering new emotions/feelings. heterosexual kids get to have that childhood innocence whereas gay kids will be vilified because Disney still sees any glimpse of lgbt+ = sexual. at first i thought albertos father was killed and thats why he didnt return, but alberto being abandoned makes more sense.
I would’ve said something to my mom about how it’s queer coded but she hates if I mention gay things, so I really can’t do much with her about the movie
Let's not forget that when Alberto asks about Massimo's missing arm, he clearly says he was born that way. Born different. He states it simply and clearly and it shows the boys that there is nothing shameful about who they are. The train scene where Alberto brazenly runs into the rain after Luca and turns into his sea monster self, followed by Luca leaning out of the train to look at Alberto waving and hollering his love being hit by the rain himself and turning into his colorful sea monster self while looking back at the boy who literally helped him come out (of the water)?! It's beautiful. It's gay. Let the fish boys be gay.
Also the way Alberto said that Luca “got me off the island” at the end of the movie set my metaphor alarms off big time. I see it as a metaphor for both his isolation (he had shut himself off from both societies since his father left) and the closet
I also think Massimo’s arm is a very interesting detail that includes certain disabled people, which means they were clearly thinking about diversity (except for race), and yet they still didn’t make their relationship explicit
I feel like with Disney making obviously gay movies and denying it, i feel ike they are PURPOSELY creating queer-coded movies, but then they have to deny it so it doesnt get banned in certain countries, for example Onward was banned in a country because of the lesbian cop.
True, but also Luca is like 10000% more gay than Onward. The lesbian cop could reasonably be cut out of the film, but it's pretty obvious to anyone that the gay themes in Luca are, like, almost integral to the story. You could absolutely read it as just being about heterosexual friendship, but the qualities that people point out as being queer cannot be removed from the film e.g. Luca and Alberto's bond, the coming out scene, their illicit relationship.
The thing about this movie, is that gay movies were more common, this would be just another movie with a romance between two men, they simply don't kiss because they are kids. Like, if in 10 years there is more representation in blockbuster movies, you could watch this movie and there is no moment where the writters try to hide it, or one has a girlfriend, or whatever. The level of romantic gestures Alberto and Luca display is the same level as WALL-E and Eve. And for a gay kid, that has no metatextual awareness that movies don't often show gay representation, for him this will just be a movie about gay kids like himself.
i think this is what bothers me about the director's denial: it's not gay because they're too young for romance.. somebody plz explain to the straights that the word gay isn't a synonym for buttsexx..
@@realshipn5546 again, you clearly did not read (or comprehend) what i said, so i'll explain it again niiiiiice and slooooow: gay representation does NOT have to mean gay romance/sex.. i guarantee you 99.99999% of LGBTQ+ ppl knew they felt "different" before ever having a "boyfriend" or having sex.. clearly this is something you (and the director) seem wholly unable to grasp, but by all means, keep perpetuating your homophobia on a gay channel where literally nobody is impressed..
@@girliboi and like, they expect a director from Disney, a company that shines from the almost nonexistent openly LGBTQ+ representation to go out and say "Yes, they are gay" like. Disney cares about money, and the biggest markets are countries with not as much legal/social acceptance of LGTBQ+ folks, so it will mean boycotts, conservatives being against, etc etc. OF COURSE he's gonna deny it. Like dudebros use the director card just to rub it in our faces telling us to not feel represented in this movie and its annoying
Can we also talk about how they’re always touching each other like reaching out to grab their hand or hug each other when they’re scared it’s the cutest thing
My thing is the Pixar statement is all “this is really a coming of age story about children who are too young for romantic feelings and I’m just here like WELL YES OF COURSE. THEYRE STILL GAY. it’s the most relatable portrayal of the like 11-14 year old baby gay experience of meeting another (maybe slightly older) gay person and ending up in the most intense friendship of your young life because you don’t have the language to understand if you want to be like this person or if you want to be best friends forever or if you want to kiss this person! You just know you want to spend all your time with them! CLASSIC BABY GAY.
The end credit song that is in Italian translates to being in a town and they know nothing about you, missing your love, the one you kiss, the one you lay next to….
*Città Vuota - Mina - Italian Lyrics* Le strade piene La folla intorno a me Mi parla e ride E nulla sa di te Io vedo intorno a me chi passa e va Ma so che la città Vuota mi sembrerà Se non torni tu C’è chi ogni sera Mi vuole accanto a sé Ma non m’importa Se I suoi baci mi darà Io penso sempre a te, soltanto a te E so che la città Vuota mi sembrerà Se non torni tu Come puoi tu Vivere ancor solo senza me Non senti tu Che non finì il nostro amor (torna da me, amor E non sarà Più vuota la città) Le strade piene La folla intorno a me Mi parla e ride E nulla sa di te Io vedo intorno a me chi passa e va Ma so che la città Vuota mi sembrerà Se non torni tu Come puoi tu Vivere ancor solo senza me Non senti tu Che non finì il nostro amor - - - - - - - - - - *Città Vuota - Mina - English Translation* The crowded streets The crowd around me It talks to me and laughs And it knows nothing about you Around me, I see who passes by and goes But I know the city Will seem empty to me If you don’t come back There is someone who Wants me next to him every night But I don’t care If he gives me his kisses I always think of you, only of you And I know the city Will seem empty to me If you don’t come back How can you Live alone without me Don’t you feel it That our love did not end (Come back to me, love And the city won’t be empty anymore) The crowded streets The crowd around me It talks to me and laughs And it knows nothing about you I see who passes by and goes around me But I know the city Will seem empty to me If you don’t come back How can you Live alone without me Don’t you feel it That our love did not end
I'm kinda sick of people saying that they can't be gay or whatever because they're children. Like I'm 14, the same age as Alberto, and I've been out to my friends for almost a year now (I'm bisexual and non-binary, btw). So yes, children can be queer, just as children can be straight
So true! It's not like I became gay overnight once I hit eighteen. This has always been me, and I actually find it really validating to look back and realise all the innocent crushes I had on girls when I was little.
@@memeymeme. yeah, you could interpret it as just friendship but like, if luca or alberto was a girl, you cannot tell me that rhe majority of people who watch luca would ship it so.. but yeah your point is still valid, queer ppl like me and the others just want some good representation :>
@@st4rsw4llow Luca and Alberto dont have to be gay to represent lgtbq struggle, obviously the movie is clearly an lgtbq support movie, but automatically thinking that makes the characters gay or if they aren't gay themselves then it cant be a gay film is stupid.
I stg when Alberto just went: “Hey! My friend smells amazing!” After people were making fun of how Luca “Smelled like fish” My dad went: “Is this supposed to be romance-“
@@monkeydluffy7735 It was the way he emphasized “amazing” lmao 😂 I just felt like the “amazing” was exaggerated, and he coulda said “fine” or “okay” but “amazing” was pretty gay. Just my opinion tho, hope I didn’t offend you in any way 😁
@@monkeydluffy7735 It’s cute to interpret it as romantic, I guess. Adds another layer to what he’s saying. Of course the characters aren’t 100% definitively gay, but viewing from that lense is pretty interesting since a lot of moments can parallel gay experiences, whether they were intended to be that way. Essentially, it’s more interesting and enjoyable to some people, and because the story being gay makes sense to them, they want to interpret it that way. Also, because it makes so much sense to them, it can be hard to understand when someone doesn’t share that perspective. Hope that clears it up!
I watched this and cried when the grandma said, “Some people will accept him and some will never but he’s found the good ones” or something. Everything you said, I saw in the movie. They can say what they want but we know what’s up. It’s not enough but soon, we’ll get something that’s really gay, I hope.
I really love that line specifically because as a lgbtq+ nerodivergent person that line really hits on both of those things and was a really amazing way of portraying that
Golden Ninja one thing about art, its subjective, and you can't force your opinion on other peoples comments, you got big balls then make your own comment and see what people think of it instead of leeching off david's comment.
In my opinion, it’s most definitely queer coded, but because Disney is too afraid of having any kind of backlash, and that they might lose money, they only use the gay card when they know it’s safe to do so, and your right about them being homophobic, cuz if they did care about gay people they would have been honest about the subtext of this movie instead of pretending it’s not there... the fact that literally everyone is seeing Luca as a gay love story goes to show that Disney is lying through their teeth to keep all the more conservative watchers happy, because that is what sells.
@@monkeydluffy7735 Some say it's gay because two boys have a really good relationship and one gets jealous that the other is spending more time with another friend. Now I'm fine with people interpreting it like that, even the director said he was fine with it, but I don't know why two boys can't just have a best friend relationship without being classified as gay.
@@Puggers22 People aren't saying they can't just be friends. They are interpreting it as gay, but that's a subjective reading that nobody is trying to force onto anyone. The only people forcing a binary reading of the film is Disney, by openly stating that the film is heterosexual, therefore limiting discourse over it to a lame arbitrary fact-check.
I made some fanart of the characters giving like a peck on the cheek and was immediately accused of sexulixation. I think the inherent sexualizing of queer relationships in conservative groups is why in part they push back so hard on the subtext.
THIS! which is absolutely unacceptable to begin with so I hope this kind of "totally not gay" gay movies can be a nudge in the right direction like they could've leant in harder with the romance even if they're so young (like with a peck on the cheek!) but it's still very clearly gay imo and you can't change my mind, so I don't even care if they don't kiss before the train leaves (holding hands till they can't anymore was enough to bring out the tears)
The whole fact of Luca and Alberto wanting to just runaway together on just one Vespa and just to live together with eachother and nobody else but then is so gay don’t even get me started on when Giulia was like: “You’re a sea monster?? In Portorosso??? Haven’t you seen this town?? Are you insane??” Also very very gay. Don’t even get me started on Alberto’s backstory omg
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 I can't speak for the original commenter, but to me the second part represents the danger of LGBT+ people moving to very small close knit homophobic towns. I've even had this conversation with my gay friends before of, "You're really moving there? Are you crazy?" Because we knew how dangerous it was to move to those kinds of homophobic communities. At least, that's what I took from it.
Oh that was VERY obvious to me when I watched it. (And honestly? It was the queer subtext of what queer childhood Actually Looks Like (especially when you won’t be able to put words to those experiences to understand them better when you’re older Because of things like familial/societal homophobia keeping those terms inaccessible.)) Like, the whole “yet another Boys’ Childhood Slice of Life”? Yeah I got bored of those back in the 90s-00s when those films were still regularly made with 80s and Late 70s often replayed as well. It’s quite literally the “yup they’re definitely gay even if the crew can’t/won’t outright say it or admit it after the fact” that did something interesting
sending luca to the deep because they found out he wanted to to leave the water just sounds like sending a kid to conversion therapy because they found out he’s gay edit: never mind she mentioned this
A different reading (which doesn't devalue the other readings) To me, a lot of the story feels Jewish. An ancient community where the members might pass or might be revealed having a wary interaction with another community with a tradition of persecution and murder. A movie set in 1950s to 1960s Italy, a country that had death camps up until 1945. Your parents are traumatised and warn you to stay away. Once your parents find out that you're making friends with the enemies you might get packed up and sent to a religious school or Israel.
THANK YOU. I can accept the head cannon because honestly I was unreasonably angry with Pixar for having an Uncle anglerfish when it made no sense and could Have just been an aunt. This is a good solve.
And are we just gonna ignore the fact that the end credit song is abt missing your lover in the city 😂 There is someone Who wants me next to them each night But i don’t care If they give me their kisses or not I always think of you, Only of you and I know the city… Will seem empty to me If you don’t come back How can you live, alone without me? Don’t you feel That our love is not done? The empty streets always more deserted I read your name everywhere around me Come back to me, my love And the city will be empty no longer And I will live with you All of my days All of my days All of my days
Found the quotes from the director when asked about queerness in the movie: "We were quite aware that we wanted to talk about that time in life before boyfriends and girlfriends. So there's an innocence and a focus on the friendship side. I feel like the story would be a little different in that it's slightly more complicated when romance comes in." and "We thought a lot about having to "show your sea monster" as embracing your own difference, and as a metaphor for anything... We love that the idea that isn't too specific, but it's hopefully universal, because you can apply your own prism." These seem in conflict with each other, is the movie a "metaphor for anything" or "anything just not queer"? Also I honestly can't see any other minority group or anything else working as a perfect metaphor here, it can't be about race because that's not something people can hide the way the sea monsters can. The movie has an outing scene, a coming out scene things that are specifically things queer people go through. The movie is full of romance tropes and starts and ends with romance songs that mirror Luca/Albertos situations, so how is it not queer and how is it "that time in life before boyfriends and girlfriends"? The characters are 13 and 14 respectively, kids that age have crushes, kids that age are starting to figuring out their sexualities/gender. If the creators truly don't intend anything queer about the movie I'm going to be brutally honest, the movie would have zero meaning, a lot of the emotion in scenes from the climax would be gone and it would be one of the only Pixar movies without a solid message behind it. If the creators truly didn't intend for us to interpret it as queer they did a very poor job at delivery the message they intended, like come on you don't use romance tropes, queer tropes and open/end with loves songs and then say the movies about "platonic friendship".
I do think they don't really have a choice 🤔 They could get in some *serious* trouble if they openly admitted that it's a queer relationship, so they leave the choice to us as an audience to make that out ourselves. It is pretty obvious that Alberto and Luca are gay for each other, and we can see that; but if someone who's homophobic brings that up, they can easily point to this and say that they didn't mean it to be that way. It's a sad state of affairs, but with the kind of world we live in right now, it can't be helped 😭
In the early draft an creation the director of call me by your name was on board early, make of that what you want . And the direcor, th actual one, yep he didntwant toruin his career but a gay kids movie. Or he adapted it.
@@marocat4749 Do you have a source for that? I can't find where Luca Guadagnino was involve in this movie, past the mention of Call Me by Your Name when people compared it to the trailers.
I agree with you but at the same time I don't think what is said in those interviews matters that much when it comes to the quality and meaning of the final product. Independently of what they might say or whatever of the intention behind the film, it still comes off as a metaphor for queerness. In the same way, If there were no queer element to it they wouldn’t be able to sell it as a “gay film” no matter how many interviews stating the contrary. I take those claims the same way I take Luca saying he's not a sea monster. Honestly the fact that Disney didn't advertise it having a "first gay character" makes it even more queer, and probably they didn’t want to risk by stating it out loud. 😅.
The movie doesn't HAVE to be gay though. And I'm not saying that from a point of homophobia - I consider myself bisexual - but making it a universal "coming out/revealing who I am" story can apply to more than just one's sexuality. In making it a more broad representation, then people CAN take away the queer subtext, but they can also takeaway whatever it is that they are processing. Schrodinger's Gay Kids Movie.
LITERALLY all they had to do was have one of the boys kiss the other on the cheek at the end. I legit thought they might, for a second, because their whole friendship read so much like a crush to me. It's SO romance coded ughhh
I think that would've hurt the movie. The movie is about 2 boys who are friends. Maybe there is a crush, maybe there isn't but to have a movie be ultimately about friendship and then change the nature of the relationship at the end would've been out of place. I personally would like to see a sequel where they explore their relationship more deeply and maybe explore some unrequited love between them.
... I was watching Luca and I was silently screaming, "He's gay, he's so gay, he has to be gay. If Alberto was a girl, they'd do a whole crush scene, I swear, he's gay."
@@neallanders357 seriously there are soooo many gay (m/m) coming of age movies that have the two boys riding a bicycle or motorcycle or something TOGETHER…. I don’t know where this trope came from but it seems to be a THING
@@alxandro5504 milesjai was one of the OG genderqueer poc youtubers. They had hundrends of thousands of subscribers back in 2010. RUclips was VERY different back the . Miles was one of the youtubers back then that helped me come out during high school. seeing someone being so funny, whitty, and beloved while being a queer POC was not common on youtube back then. Their Mickey Stupid hoe video is still one of the great youtube vids.
For real though, I was watching this with my family and broke down crying multiple times throughout the whole film (to the point where they were looking at me weird). I went into this film not knowing what to expect but as a queer kid, I quickly connected the movie to my experiences having to hide who I was from everyone. The makers of this film may not have intended for the film to be gay but it did for sure help me and surely many others accept who they are. This movie will probably be a piece of comfort media that I'll revisit in the future whenever I feel bad.
Why are people trying to say this movie shouldn't be interpreted as a romance when Luca legitimately had daydream sequences where he romanticized the idea of running away with Alberto on a Vespa? The field of flowers, sailing into the sky with the fish? What is romance if it isn't whatever those two had going on?
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 If one of the boys were a girl instead, would you also be thinking there was a little romance mixed in? I'm genuinely curious here.
"How could people put gay stuff into a CHILDREN'S movie" To that I say how could people put adult jokes in KIDS movies and what's so wrong about putting gay characters in movies they might as well be the same as straight characters
Before watching the movie, I heard all about how it wasn't supposed to be 'a gay' movie. Cue my *shock* when there is scene, after scene, after scene, after allegory, after line, after scene, etc. that are all perfectly representing what LGBTQ+ youth go through. Like....how are they even denying it at this point? Is it just so they can show it in China?
As someone that has watched Chinese bl dramas, this follows all their patterns. All the imagery, emotions, allegories, metaphors and symbolisms are there. But no one ever verbalizes it and there is no confirmation at any point, so they can just barely pass it off as "just friends" for all the conservative people to not raise a fuss. Which is a shame tbh.
100% this. If the general feeing about gay people shifted significantly in China, we'd probably be seeing way less pushback against LGBTQ+ people in Disney films.
Same like- I walked into this movie with the idea that this wasn't "a gay" movie because of the statements that the director said in regards to that but oml I can't- there's just so much
my father came in at the end and after the train scene happend he was like did "they make two gay sea monsters like that kinda goodbye is usually used for a guy and a girl who are a couple" and just like I died he barely saw any of this movie at all and he still piked up on it Update today we went over to my uncle and his boyfriend's house for Father's Day and my uncle's boyfriend referred to it as his movie about when he was coming out of the water
There are people theorizing that Bruno is probably the name of Alberto's dad. And it was never translated to brain either. Brain in Italian is called as 'cervello'. So yeah, Bruno could be the dad.
even if you interpret Luca and Alberto's relationship as platonic the story is still very queer coded, plenty of people come to terms with their LGBT identities through platonic friends who are also LGBT 🤷♂️
one thing that i don’t see mentioned at all when talking about the queerness of this movie is that when giulia asks alberto and luca why they came to portorosso,, luca goes on a WHOLE tangent that just made me 😳. if i remember correctly, luca says along the lines that he and alberto are runaways, and that his parents were going to take him away from everything *he loved* by sending him away. he then says that they can be FREE together if they win the race. giulia looks over at alberto immediately after luca says this, but he immediately dissipates that “are they.. yknow..” nudging from luca’s tangent by saying that he’s just helping luca out. maybe it’s just me.. but does that not sound like homophobic parents threatening to send their lgbt+ kid away after finding out their identity along with their partner, but then the child and their partner run away to be free together?? it’s literally the blueprint!! (sorry if this makes hardly any sense, this is basically a brain dump lmao.)
Literally confirming them to be gay wouldn’t have changed a damn thing, EVERY part of the story and scenarios fit perfectly and I’m just having a very hard time believing that it wasn’t originally supposed to be this. Just once I’d like to see Disney stop their hypocrisy and just say “Okay. We’re sorry. They are gay, kids please enjoy” (Edit) I see that a few people are getting upset, and yes I have to admit they don't HAVE to confirm them gay. But at the very least they could've left it ambiguous just to give our community some sort of hope for representation, instead of shooting us down. I digress, they didn't have to confirm it to be gay if that wasn't their intention, but maybe at least leave it open to interpretation?
@Ashley’s Animation kingdom your acting like a movie featuring gay people is a bad thing, also everything you have stated has been disproven in the video, did you even watch it or just came to the comments to be homophobic?
@Ashley’s Animation kingdom you never said you just didn’t want any shipping until now, you just came in saying that it isn’t gay and also implied that children shouldn’t learn about homosexuality because it’s “inappropriate” which is a homophobic comment you dunce.
@Ashley’s Animation kingdom Them being sea monster sounds like a metaphor to people who are gay and trying to come out Like them having to hide themselves- their true selves to live on the surface because they could get kill is something that is something people struggle with
I feel like there are going to be so many people saying: "Just because the boys are good friends doesn't make them gay!!" When what they mean is: "I don't want any gays in my mainstream Disney media! Stay in your niche!"
breaking news!: "heterosexual doesn't see something that's been carefully coded for LGBTQ+ viewers while simultaneously sailing over straight audiences heads".. literally the whole objective/definition of queercoding, but by all means, hetsplain it to us.
Yeah it's so annoying :/ Personally I don't like the idea of shipping the boys because they're young but I think the gay/bi/general queer viewings of the film are so cute! Just be respectful to others' ideas and don't do anything questionable with minor characters and we can all be in harmony
@@twiggydoodles625 from everything i've heard, sounds like this film shoots waaaaay past the point of "headcanons", but yea, literally nobody here is asking for a sex scene..
@@girliboi havent watched it myself yet but i did hear sweet things about the boys' dynamic, I'm sure they'd be adorable together in the future :) We queer folks deserve more innocent representation, I'd kill for a wholesome story about a little boy having a crush on his boy best friend EDIT: Also when I included the don't do questionable stuff with minors bit that was in regards to those twitter artists who insist on r/34ing everything :') I don't think it was clear that I also see this movie as a queer allegory, I just personally don't want the kids to date until they're 13/14 😅
OMG yes. my cousins will be among them. I accidentally outed my (passed away) grandfather to the rest my cousins because my mother had told me they knew. Turns out she lied. Anyhow this lead to a long argument over the stacks of Playgirl magazines grandpa left in his trailer. i mean stacks of hundreds of Playgirl magazine piled to the ceiling. And my aunts and uncles were all like... grandpa said he bought those for the articles. (facepalm) to which i replied no one on a fixed income buys a thousand Playgirl magazines for the "articles" you bunch of yahoos. Long story short I no longer speak to that side of the family.
I can not imagine existing in 2021 and writing this story and then being like "lol what? No homo." Like.... Y'all can't even claim ignorance. It's gay.
Lol. Like, there are so many bad faith accounts in this thread. These people will literally have you in the comments of an Italian love song, trying to gaslight you into not seeing any queerness. (Citta Vouta, the song that plays as the credits start, is literally about a pair of lovers that are separated and how empty the town feels to the one who got left behind.)
@@monstermoo4191 ikr?! That song by Mina is beautiful, when I found out they used that, I finally knew the queer subtext (that isn't the only one btw) was intentional and was overjoyed!
@@monkeydluffy7735 philosophically… if you only take account for what is shown in the movie, whatever a director says is not _really_ the most important aspect when interpreting any form of media - especially if what they said can be disproven in the media. Queerness is heavily alluded to in the story. The film is more likely to be queer than it is not queer.
my dad, who ngl is a little homophobic (he doesn't try to be, just says some things that make me uncomfy), said immediately after watching the movie, "that was really gay, huh?" and I'm sitting here nearly in tears because they're gonna grow up with pictures of each other to show their grandchildren like "this here, he was my first love" gay fish men. best idea Disney's came up with since uh idk jurassic park 2?
Disney’s homophobia grinds my gears *so much* cause the whole damn company wouldn’t even be here today if not for the work of countless hard working gay people in their employ. And all they do is give the limpest of platitudes, repressing those creators into their little profitable box and heteronormative lifestyle. Don’t think we forgot about the Love, Victor Disney+ incident! If anyone has a list of Disney execs to blacklist I’d love to see it.
@Maddy Same! it grinds my gear so much because they had done a post about pride month and i was like "yall are homophobic you can't even put a single gay character in your movie or show it without you worrying about the money you are going to lose about it"
That "you got me off the island" absolutely broke me. I love the relationship between Alberto and Luca, it was so wholesome and suprisingly deep for a fairly short movie. And it's like you say, making it so they have a lil' crush on each other (as children do) would have only added layers. The basics were already there! There is so much that's applicalbe to being LGBT, like that whole scene with Alberto outing himself and Luca abandonning him struck a cord. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.... I can't belive disney is doing this to us AGAIN :,)
@@hinamatsuro1908 it’s also never stated that they were straight? stop telling people what they can and can not do. it’s perfectly valid to ship luca and alberto so let people do what they want. i said that because i myself have felt that jealousy and it wasn’t for friendship.
@yeetus fetus nope it was never stated. it only stated that the relationship was platonic, but that doesn’t have to stop people from shipping them. although the movie isn’t a queer movie, it really does help a lot of queer people w their own experiences and to be themselves.
@yeetus fetus i know it’s not canonically gay but, it’s also not canonically straight either. and that’s my point. we can’t assume everyone is straight. i feel like queer people can be represented by this film with the message it sends even if the message isn’t directed towards specifically queer people. but still, people can have headcanons (think what they want to basically) on the characters sexual orientation even when it’s not confirmed.
“While I identify with pronouns he/him and I’m a straight man, the themes of diversity acceptance and inclusion in our movie are dear to my heart!” - Luca’s director Now, c’mon, you can’t tell me Luca isn’t queer coded
Pixar has a reputation for releasing their movies in June. Not just Luca. -Toy Story 4 -Incredibles 2 -Cars 3 -Inside Out -Finding Dory -Wall-E -Toy Story 3 -Cars -Ratatouille And in June 2022, Lightyear. So the fact this movie came out during Pride Month is more of a coincidence. But if it was released during Pride Month on purpose............. *happy day*
The people who say "teaching children about lqbtq+ is bad." But yet also have their kids watch the bee movie that is about a a bee falling in love with a human...
Or a woman falling in love with a literal monster that is kind of a bully at first. (Beauty and the Beast) It's like, different species is okay but same sex of same species isnt?
I also loved when the two grumpy ladies revealed themselfs as sea monsters at the end! To me it immediately said: „Yes, queer people have always been here, even if you didn't see it before.“
i may be looking too deep but something else to think of is how surface fish can barely survive and don’t belong in the deep water… hmm sounds familiar
I think a bisexual reading of Luca works too. Like the scene with Julieta showing him books and imaging being on Saturn clearly parallels an earlier scene with Alberto. Omg and Alberto saying "What do you think she will say if she sees who you really are?" reads as a common fear that bi guys have made explicit. But Alberto is clearly gay and into Luca
When I watched the movie I thought the exact same thing. It seemed Luca wanted to be with Alberto AND Julieta and I thought he would struggle with which adventure he wanted to go on. But I do think that he and Julieta don’t end up together, because of the credit pictures. They just look like friends in there.
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The longer I think about the two lesbian seamonster old ladies, the more it breaks my heart. They left the sea, fled to the human town, hid themselves for what must to have been YEARS, never fully belonging to either the sea or the land. The spent so long silently enduring the hated and slander against their kind, eventually having to play along just to keep peace, only being themselves behind closed doors. They grew cold and isolated. Then one day, two little seamonsters show up in town, and while there are those who hate them immediately, there are so many that accept them. The two women look at each other with a nod, drop their umbrellas, and for the first time in years, feel the rain against their skin and are able to be themselves for the first time in decades.
you just made me cry with a youtube comment omg
Dang it! Now I’m tearing up! I love this reading of the movie.
I guess you can say they released their inhibitions and felt the rain on their skin
@@etcetera5605 well, no one else could feel it for them.
And it’s even sadder when you realize that a lot of lesbian had to do this in order to live
Nothing to do with how gay this movie is, but I was surprised when Julia's dad said he was just born with one arm. I don't think I've ever seen that in a movie before, they always have to attach a story to a missing limb.
To me that makes him double badass
Except he didn't lose an arm in an accident, he was born without it.
@@0deadx21 that- that’s literally what the comment says. Did you not even read it?
I was like "...did they really introduce a character who's disabled, for no particular reason?
Because if they did, that's amazing!!"
@@bloodieghostie Same ☠☠☠☠
Other things I liked about the movie were that Giulia's dad is disabled and he was actually born without a right arm, where you might expect him to have lost it, with his profession. Also out of the two teammates of Ercole (the bully), the fat kid swims and the thin kid eats pasta in the triathlon.
Exactly! I loved those bits of representation used in the film and how there were no stereotypes relating to sex,race,size,etc. At all
omg i didnt notice that last thing u said, that's great!
I was surprised at how unique the movie was esp. because it dealt with disneys classic “i want to go to the outside world but parents say no :(“ trope. But despite its similarity to other movies it still stood out and became my fave of the year
I was so happy when he said he was born without his full arm and also that there was no major reaction to it. It's just like "oh, okay, whatever." Doesn't matter, no need to make a fuss. Yes!
I really love Massimo, he's easily one of the best Disney/Pixar dads. I love how he cares about Giulia and the father-and-son relationship he develops with Alberto too. I think this movie has a lot of very well done male representation and that's just great!
“It really is a movie about two sea monster bros, chilling in an Italy town, six feet apart ‘cause they’re not gay.” -Schafrillas Productions
i needed someone to mention it thank you so much
I was waiting for it-
Uh oh really
Hahahahahaha
Man that guy is a legend for that quote
another thing that really hit me was the fact that luca ended up the movie as a seamonster. like he was in the train and the last shot of him is he going inside as a seamonster after getting wet by the rain. and he just doesnt care. hes not afraid of showing who he is anymore. thats beautiful
OMG YOU ARE RIGHT I DIDN'T NOTICED! It makes a lot of sense, I love the movie even more now 😭💕🏳️🌈 thank you for pointing that out
@@Lucia-ct2sj your emojis are annoying.
@@emilypackman9959 yes you are correct because I am correct
Plot twist: Trump deports Luca back to Italy...
...jk
EXACTLY! Both Luca and Alberto's last shots were of them as full on sea monsters which is amazing 🥺
hi! Italian here, just wanted to add that the song that plays while they goof around with their diy Vespa, "il gatto e la volpe", is a song about two friends/companions being in business and having fun and getting in trouble (kind of, but the point is that it could be seen as a song about friendship) WHILE the song that plays right at the end and during the credits, "città vuota", it's actually a love song about missing one's lover who had to go away but still being hopeful of their return and spending the rest of their life together.... so yeah, id say pretty gay
Da Persona Italiana, non sapevo nulla del significato della canzone finale, e mi rincuora decisamente!
Credo che i 2 ragazzini provino comunque una forte amicizia prima di tutto, ma crescendo capiranno che potrebbe esserci qualcosa di più profondo (oltre alla loro amicizia che rimane)
what does their handshake and Italian greeting mean?
@@adelina-805 it's a silly handshake that kids do, the phrase literally translates to "pleased to meet you, Girolamo Trombetta"! funny thing, I found out that the name is not the same everywhere here :)
@@confused_raccoon cool! thank you 🙏
It’s SO GAY AND IM LIVING FOR IT!
A lot of people with bigoted beliefs towards homosexuality focus on the "sexuality". But sex doesn't have to be a factor for it to be gay, just like a straight love story doesn't have to have a bed scene to affirm that it's a love story.
THIS EXACTLY
Mmmmm.... Then it would be "homoromantic" and not "homosexual"?
Asexual is a sexualtity
EXACTLY like nobody's mind goes directly to imagining sex whenever they see a hetero couple but when they are gay that's all people think about
@@roseumbra4814 i can confirm this is not what i think about
I interpreted Alberto’s jealousy as a part of his abandonment issues. That said, it doesn’t make his jealously any less gay, it just means the context of his issues goes deeper.
You could say that about any gay 😅
@@RumbleBee1102 fair😅
Cant believe when males show any kind of emotion other than "being cool"their labelled gay
@@hinamatsuro1908 I can understand that take, but this interpretation of Luca is based off more than just Luca and Alberto’s closeness. It’s a matter of the the metaphors this movie makes that can give something for queer people to relate to. The idea of not being able to show your true self and not being accepted by your family because you decided to push against the norms. It’s all explained in this video.
@@discordiadingle3203 yes
I came in knowing they weren’t supposed to be gay but friends. However, the animators or someone thought differently. The body language, the day dreams, and the jealousy scenes were exactly how characters express love interest. Especially the train scene, their hand placement, the way they said goodbye, and the sacrifices made for each other. Luca and Alberto letting go of each other’s hands and crying like two lovers with one going away to the war. Also compare the going away scene to Wraph breaks the Internet. That movie the characters cry but the camera angles, the body language used was of a father figure letting go of a child. There is even a joke made about his dad joke. This movie is also supposed to be about friends however it is shown also from a parent/child relationship. The same goes for Luca. They say that they have a strong friendship but the camera angles, music, and body language mirrors a love scene from movies. Sorry Disney but someone working on this was adding a queer story in there.
I wholeheartedly agree
I stand by this.
@𝕤 𝕜 𝕪 𝕝 𝕒 𝕣 That makes sense, through a lot of people must have been on board with all that theming subtext, seamonster, I can ge behund that, if a more than one person was on board with that gay "sub" text idea.
Oml me too!
I had read about the director stating that this movie was supposed to be about friendship, not queer romance, but the moment I watched it I could not stop thinking about the body language, facial expressions and delivery of the scenes between Alberto and Luca 😭
I don''t think this can be a one person decision, all of these things go through multiple states of development and multiple people, I think either they didn't see it, what I find improbable or they can't admit because Disney.
I mean, if you can see the romance in Spirited Away (no kiss, no sexual tones, just innocent love from kids) you can see the romance in this movie.
@Why Why ok that’s ur personal opinion, but people are allowed to believe they do love each other. Please leave people alone.
Or the romance in Ponyo
@@spicyapplejuice9099 ppl thought there was romance in ponyo? 🤢
@@ezriquinn6706 they literally kiss on the mouth at the end? And there's a whole arse scene just beforehand about Ponyo's parents testing Sosuke, and whether he really loves her and will take care of her?? Just saying, that's one of the less ambiguous romances in a Ghibli film 😂 and it's a completely innocent love story between kids
@Why Why I get that but I also think that it has the found family trope, which is like a known thing that a lot of people who don’t fit in (ie.queer people) flock to. I think you can interpret it as platonic, I can interpret it as a mostly coming of age with a romance side plot, our opinions can co exist simply because my opinion truly doesn’t change much of the plot, like the only thing that might’ve happened differently was like a kiss on the cheek, or dramatic hand holding.
"Here is a thing I probably shouldn't do friends, What are your thoughts?".... 10 mins later: Makes unhinged lesbian rant - "In my defence I was left unattended!".... I am here for this.
i wish this was an exaggeration but it 100% was not
My straight brother and I watched the movie and the scene where Luca goes back to the tower to apologize to Alberto and finds the picture torn in half he said, “He done broke up with you Luca.” Lol
✋💀fr
PLS-
Your bro is cool.
Im so surprised that this isn’t canononically gay. I’m straight. I watched this movie with 0 context. Didn’t even watch the trailer beforehand. I immediately saw the subtext, and I thought it was 100% intentional by the time alberto came out to Julia. I had no reason to be looking for a queer theme but it was absolutely there from start to finish. Loved the movie
Aw yay! A nice straight! Thanks for being understanding and nice :)
I'm glad you commented this, it reassures me that it's not just my rainbow coloured glasses xD
I was looking for this comment cause I had the exact same experience. However, I did hear rumours that some people thought it was gay but that it wasn't. I didn't want to see the movie through a lens the creators didn't intend, so I completely shut out that possibility and didn't think about it at all while watching the movie.
Thus, I started to get really confused when Alberto became jealous for literally no reason and started acting out. I totally get being jealous of a friend hanging out with others (its worth mentioning I do have jealousy/envy issues in general) but it's usually rooted in something (Ie your friend's friend is mean to you, you don't like them/they don't like you, your friend has been avoiding you, etc). I suppose it was because Luca was talking about how cool Julia was. As a straight person, I have experienced this type of jealousy over very close friends, but not to the extreme extent that Alberto does; it's more of a passing thought. I'm usually able to easily overcome this because I'm overall happy that my friend has other great people in their life that care about them. I have seen/heard of other straight people acting this possessive towards a friend, but it's rather uncommon.
Anyway, I can't emphasize to THAT extent with Alberto's jealous (again, despite being a very jealous person) and was confused by that plot thread for days after watching the movie. I remember saying aloud to myself while watching the movie "Why is he THAT jealous?? I don't think the writers of this movie understands human emotion"
Really, the only possible way Alberto makes sense to me is if he's gay, it ain't even a gay or European thing, it's very clear.
Before watching this video even, I had come to the conclusion that: screw the creators, you don't get to dictate intent when your story has such a clear opposite impact. As an amateur writer (I dnt write much now but I used to), if multiple people see a plot/character differently than intended, I usually at least accept their interpretation is valid, potentially more valid. Taking this as a form of constructive criticism, I usually think to myself that my intent was not clear in my writing and I shall improve on this in the future. ESPECIALLY, if someone interpreted a character as queer, I would let them have it, at the bare minimum I would say something like "I didn't intend this but your perspective adds to the story in new and interesting ways, I love it!"
In conclusion to my overly long rant; ALBERTO IS GAY (and Luca is probs bi), F U PIXAR!!!
@@cristlewrite7944 Wtf do you mean why was he so jealous? Maybe because he was alone for years and everyone who he cared about left him so he doesn’t want Luca to leave….? idk just a theory oh wait that’s literally explained in the plot. You know what isn’t anywhere in the plot? A gay romance.
You watch too much tv
This video had POWERFUL ENERGY.
Also I haven't seen Luca yet but actual published critic who works at The Wrap Alonso Duralde absolutely agrees with you about the queer metaphor.
If you ever made a video analyzing Luca I might actually die. Lol in all seriousness it’s actually awesome to see that one of my favorite youtubers watches one of my other favorite youtubers.
It's all you stated and well there is some start-building of a love-story between Alberto & Luca so heavily hinted on the ending but furtherlymore when you do some research about the translation of the lines on both the opening and ending-credits songs: "Un baccio a mezzanotte" (A kiss at midnight) and "Citta vuota" (Empty/Lonely city) all hinting about how no matter if it's supposed to be a hard-core best-friends-for-life thing it only works as a COVER or it was just the start of an acceptable introduction of something deeper and not-so stalthy hidden behind that, as it was not suitable for such a wider-audience release on family distribution, as there is a lot of conservative-traditional issues running on which might backfire hard on money and commercial distribution for it and all which the Disney Company ever does produces, so they couldn't risk to openly state and accept all, so they played safely just leaving open-hints for the proper audience to notice them and stand about it, whereas the conservative ones just see a smaller harmless less-complex storyline and get totally nuts when others point on the opposite.
There is nothing left behind randomly, it's not just the songs choices (there is also a third one on the operatic aria addressing about what will be Luca's trouble with his parents somehow), the card which both Luca & Alberto stole was meant to hint about a new-relationship start and well there are some gay, lesbian and bi pride banners about the colors of Luca, Giullia and Alberto's designs.
Were watching this movie a couple days ago. Dad says out of nowhere:
“Is this a love story?”
it certainly is written like one ☝️
Wonderful dad
Haha!
Reminds me of that one meme with the dude and the butterfly
@@petscopkid same ahahahah
im just leaving this comment here since many people havent noticed, probably because they dont understand the language; the last song that plays during the credit scenes is "Cittá Vuota" by Mina, and it's a song about seeing your own city as empty because your lover isn't no longer there with you and you are waiting for them to return..... like.... c'mon
No straight explanation.
I honestly cannot find a straight explanation for this
@@polariized because there's no heterosexual explaination for this
that's as straight as i am, and i'm a lesbian
@@marameowpng exactly
“Some people will never accept you, but some will”
Uhh Disney ✋💀
The cognitive dissonance 😌🔫
Disney some movies in everyone else’s eyes 🏳️🌈
In Disney’s eyes [THEY WHERE JUST FRIENDS]
@Grace-Angelle Lombrage but Pixar has made an lgbtq+ short and their staff is apparently very diverse (Emphases on apparently bc I'm too lazy to actually fact check that) so I think it's more Disney than Pixar. I think they cut out a gay storyline and Disney literally straightened it out
@Alejandro Valencia baby they wanna sell it to China, not India, India is not a big market for Disney anyways, also in India being queer is legalised. and 5 days before Luca one of our state court banned conversion therapy and passed a law to add lgbt curriculum. So I don't think India would be their biggest concern for this
Its a Pixar movie
Only Disney can make a movie that CLEARLY is about homosexuality and yet be so scared to put a kiss scene. And don't tell me it's because "they are kids", they showed a lot of kids kissing in several films.
They needed an excuse to call them straight
Why did they need to kiss?
@@TheGamerRist22 they didn’t need to it just would have been cute, cuz they never really go that bold in movies like this
@@celery6365 You never know.
@@TheGamerRist22 never know what?
I suck at understanding metaphors but I still think this one is obvious.
yessss. especiaally when those two old ladys came out as seamonsters... I'm like.. "nono that's symbolize luca and arnesto being gay and excepted so they came out as gay too"
@@SolomonGriffen I thought it was Luca and Alberto? Not trying to hate
How bout that uncle who was trying to take Luca to the Deepwaters? That was obvious conversion therapy??? Like i was screaming
@@PreppyImpostor it was probably a typo
AWWW your spirited away pfp I got distracted but I agree with you.
with disney it’s either “this character is gay!” and it’s barely or never even shown in the story, or it’s “guys it’s not gay lol haha” and the characters are so obviously queer
There not💀the director said they aren’t gay
@@monkeydluffy7735 bro if your so pressed about the fact that Luca and Alberto might be gay they why did you click on this video
@@sawnickringz What they simply said that the creator said that they aren't gay
@@Alexa_Plays1ARCHIVED Okay but they literally said the same exact reply to any comment that says they ship these two boys
im nit ruling out that they could begay but tbh it could just be a close friend relationship type of thing
And don't forget the cute old lesbian couple, that come out as "fish" just after the boys come out and are accepted by the town!
She didn’t forget. She mentioned it.
Glad I'm not the only one to think that lol
Sorry to break it to you, but they're sisters
However you can still use the metaphor if you like to
YES.
@@XMarx-it1yj where did it say that? (sorry if this comes off harsh I don't mean it to. I'm genuinely curious)
I attended a panel with the director and the creative leaders of the film. The moderator said they were getting a lot of questions about this and no one denied any queer subtext. They said they liked leaving it open and that as they were making it they realised how this experience can relate to LGBTQ+ people, immigrants, and other “othered” people. They talked about how this film is Luca struggling with his identity, and accepting himself, and finding those who will accept him, and acknowledged that that is a very queer narrative and they liked to know people could project into this character’s positive journey.
Thank you for explaining this! I do like that it is open ended because struggling with your identity isn't exclusively a queer thing, but I can also see how other people are frustrated with it not being explicitly stated since Disney hasn't ever had an exclusively gay character (no LeFou doesn't count!). It's nice to know that the creators aren't saying it ISN'T gay (like the video claimed the creators are denying the gayness of it).
Don't mean to be insensitive or anything but 500th like let's go
thank you!!!
@@loverrlee I agree! but I don't think the creator of the video came up with that out of nowhere. i read all of the "news" articles about wether the film is queer or not there are, and all of them said that the director claimed it was meant to be a platonic friendship and nothing more. I'm really glad i saw this comment!
@@loverrlee I’m sorry but I don’t even buy that’s it just about struggling with identity or other-ness. The number of scenes that were coded to reflect conversion therapy, “outing”, romance, etc. - things that only apply to queerness - is too many. It’s completely obviously written to reflect a gay coming-of-age story and the fact that this is a debate or denied even remotely astounds me.
This story is literally about a boy who runs away from his family because they are oppressing his "dangerous" wants and needs, who then goes to live with his cool, chill new friend who lives alone because his family abandoned him and the two then spend their days trying to figure out how to buy a vespa so they can dissapear into the quaint Italian countryside all alone with no one to tell them what they have to do or be, never to be heard from again. I'm sorry, how is this not gay!??? These two literally re invented the cottage core lifestyle.
THIIIS.
TRUEEEE I absolutely KNEW I wouldn’t be the only one thinking this
Kids rebel...doesn't mean they are gay.
@@vpasquini2824 they’re gay, ethel
Yeah i really dont se they gay, just friends, i cant shipp them im sorry ;w;
if you replaced alberto with a girl and had him being jealous over giulia, people would say they were in love. they're like 13-14, it's insane people think they wouldn't have crushes unless they're straight.
edit: this comment reply section has gotten soo out of hand y’all, this comment is saying people should be ALLOWED to ship without being called pedos, if u don’t I ship them don’t care ToT stop being pressed at me
Exactly. I'm pretty sure Disney would have had them kiss a cheek or something when Luca left if Alberto was a girl.
💯💯💯
*slams table* THANK YOU
Right it’s never a problem for the straight kids but as soon as something is even slightly gay it’s suddenly ‘too much’ for a kids movie
Factsss
To add more points:
- “Vespa is freedom” Their goal was to get that freedom and then use it to run away together and spend their lives together.
- The notion of if you love someone, set them free. Alberto realized he cared more about Luca’s happiness than his own wants. Cause really, there’s no heterosexual explanation for the train scene.
- Luca said that his parents were going to take him away from everything he loved and send him away. He said the word love.
Thought those were worthy additions. Amazing points though in everything you said. This was a very thorough analysis of the major subtext in the movie.
i love everything you just wrote
That kinda was hard to read but that was just me. Anyway’s I love what you wrote, thank you for sharing.
This is why I really hated the ending of this movie. The train scene felt like the writers trying to undo all the romantic subtext at the last second. There was in no way enough emotional setup between Alberto and the rest of the side characters to make me believe that character would have been happy staying behind with everyone else's parents in the tiny fishing town. In the last 3 minutes or so of the movie, they manage to undo the main duo's only motivations, which were to stay together and to chase their freedom via the Vespa symbolism. Instead the ending feels like the filmmakers deliberately snatch the rug out from under you by splitting Luca and Alberto up. It felt very Hays Code for kids. It seemed like they were setting Alberto up to have an arc involving him having a fear of admitting when he's wrong (like the scene with the stars not being fish) and maybe he was going to overcome that in a similar way to Luca overcoming his fear. That's literally how you do an opposites attract dynamic; they could have learned from each other and actually given Alberto some growth and development.
Even if they wanted to keep the ending where the kids all 3 go to school, Alberto would have been overcoming some of the possessiveness they seemed to be hinting at, by doing the thing Luca wants instead of insisting on the Vespa. This also would have tied into Alberto needing to learn that there's room in their found family for all 3 protagonists and that it doesn't need to be an either or scenario. Instead we get this ending that kind of lowkey reinforces the heteronormative status quo and says actually Luca would be better off without Alberto and Alberto should just learn to be happy in the tiny fishing town. They don't need each other and they don't need to get their freedom and live a happy life together. I hated it.
If anyone should have had that tear-filled goodbye at the train station, it should have been Luca's parents. They were the ones who needed to love him enough to let him go, and maybe even acknowledge that his found family was a better fit for him than their "because I said so" style of parenting.
It legit felt like if, at the end of Mulan, they kept the movie going for juuuust long enough for her to go back to the matchmaker, learn to be a perfect bride after all.
@@monstermoo4191, This will forever be in my memory
@@sobbingpillow69 Lol, I love you all. Seriously though, screw that ending. Happy Pride Month! Can't believe they did this on our holiest of months.
i’m hoping if there’s anything positive about this movie not being explicitly queer, it’s that it has the opportunity to reach more queer kids than if it had. kids with homophobic parents are going to get the opportunity to watch this movie and hopefully understand the subtext and feel seen and supported in how they feel
I completely agree
this is exactly what i thought. at first i wanted it to be more explicit but honestly what i want doesn't matter if it helps some gay kid with homophobic parents to come to terms with who they are and not feel like they're alone in this world. this movie is for them.
Yes exactly
The True definition of a bright side. One day I wish for the world to be at a point where that won’t be the case but as it is now I agree. At least this movie can get to the eyes of many queer youth without homophobic gatekeepers.
It will be the VERY obvious wink letting them know you are not alone and you are Valid.
(Even though they deserve more than some not so subtle subtext)
@@marteenyo Also the fact that even if the romance isn't explicit at least there is no straight romance or allusion to any interest in girls from Luca and Alberto
If Julia and Alberto had been swapped, I guarantee you EVERYONE would have assumed that they had a crush on each other, and it would have been seen as a romance movie. But for some reason just because it's two boys the thought that they would be romantically interested in each other FLYS out the window for most people
To some extent, I get it. Hetero romances are a dime a dozen, but gay ones are rare, especially in big-name kid's media. Friendships are much more common; if you hear hoofbeats, expect horses, not zebras.
That logic does break down when you can see the metaphorical stripes, of course...and Luca definitely seems like a stripe movie.
bruhhhh This opened my eyes... before reading this I was like,, they could just be friends or they could have been crushing..
BUT THEN I IMAGINED THIS but with one of them as girls and I was like yeah ok they definitely had a thing 😶
Agreed
I think it’s because hetero relationships are so common that people kinda just expect it now and don’t really see the signs when it’s most definitely gay. Like the other person said people expect a horse not a zebra. And when one comes along they just think it’s a horse
most definitely. i feel like they're denying it because of homophobia as well.
people saying "they can't be gay theyre kids" as if sexuality has age restriction. with that mindset neither can they be straight since they're kids, right? and yet they keep on telling 5 years old boy and girl that are friends to date i cant
Gay people are born adults
@@chriselster3 true
I know, I always hate it when they say they’re too young to know! Why are all the Straights™ so insistent on buying shirts for their nine year old boy that say something like ‘This is a LADIES man’ but the moment we suggest that their kid might be gay they’re all like nOOo hE’s tOO yOunG tO kNoW!!11!! So he should be too young to know if he’s straight too, right?!
its because in their ignorance, they assume romance=sex when it comes to lgbt relationships, which is absurd because when its a heterosexual relationship like Carl and Ellie, it _is_ romance and adorable and completely valid. its the double standard that annoys me
I knew I was straight when I was like 4 years old lol yeah that argument of how you don't know your sexuality around that age is false.
The MINUTE Luca was announced and I read the basic plot synopsis, I was like “oh, so it’s animated Call Me By Your Name but with sea monsters and without the problematic aspects of CMBYN. This is gonna be amazing”
Except Call Me By Your Name was gross. That man was way too old for that child. The song is awesome tho, even if a lot of the CGI in the music video is trash lol
@@msjkramey did you read the whole comment? " without the problematic aspects of CMBYN", reading is hard i guess
@@chubeatle wow, I missed a few words while scrolling through comments. Damn, you got me good. Congrats. Also, I just really don't like that movie *because* of the *very* problematic parts so I was complaining about it, not attacking the OP
fr lmao. i’m super excited to watch it
I thought you meant the song, and I was so confused.
“It’s not rocket science, people, it’s gay science”
That’s going on my wall
Same.
Someone embroider that stat
Put that on a t shirt!
Imma say dis doe, the creator said the characters aren't gay
@@lil-oah6592 that doesn’t matter, because art is subjective. Our interpretation of this art is that it’s a gay story, and nothing can take that away from us.
Even if the characters aren’t gay, the movies is a beautiful allegory to accepting yourself and the world’s acceptance of your especially being LGBTQ+. Constantly through the film their hiding their sea monster appearance which could be interpreted as hiding one’s true self, which can be hiding the LGBTQ+ part of yourself from the world. It’s just a thought, but I kinda like it as that allegory. And that could be for accepting people for anything!
yes. especially how the town always hated and hunted sea monsters. yet once the town learned that even tho Luca and Armesto are sea monsters, they are still Luca and Armesto, and therefore majority of them excepted and supported their identity as sea monsters
Exactly! It's main message applies to everything!
One thing that I really love was how at the train station scene both Alberto and Luca get into their sea monster versions and I thought it was so beautiful. Like, for me, it was like Alberto was outing himself all over again because Luca was worth it. And as the train left the tunnel and the rain pours over Luca, and he gets this sense of freedom and happiness, because he accepted it now. He accepts himself. That was so beautiful in my opinion, how light he felt at that end, even though he was gonna be away from his family and his one very good friend (that he totally doesn't have a crush on, definitely). Anyway, something that really gets me sad is how people find it odd when queer people relate to their stories. Man, why is it so bad to have queer people relating to your characters? Is it because you don't want to be associated with us? Do you think being queer is... bad? As I see it queer experiences are so hard and valid, it should be praised when a story touches us like that. Also, let kids be gay, if Luca was Lucia or Alberto was Alberta I'm pretty sure this would have a different outgoing. Kids have crushs, and it's not a sexual thing. That's it, thanks for making this amazing video.
What you pointed out made me love that train scene more than I already do. And yeah, it seems like the people who dislike the idea of Luca or Alberto being gay are either homophobic or genuinely think that any character is straight until proven gay. People interpreting the things the animators clearly put in that were suggesting a crush or closer than friends... I mean, it isn't like people are thinking this is a gay movie for no reason.
@@Nightman221k exactly!! it's so frustrating sometimes...
Also, to me, the fact that they are denying that the movie is gay, makes it more certain that the intentions were to make it gay. I mean, whenever they show two male characters in a movie that have a friendship but they end up with straight romantic realtionships (Finn Poe, Steve Bucky...) whenever they get asked if they are gay, or bi, the creators do stuff like "If you want them to see them like that, they are like that to you, sure" but here they are denying it because they know they would actually get in trouble if they played the "they are gay if you want to" card.
That is a goddamn excellent point.
The director of the movie said the movie is about platonic friendships, though he was flattered when all the "Call Me By Your Name" comparisons came out when the trailer dropped.
I think you could read it both ways. Like we're desperate for both queer relationships and loving platonic same sex friendships.
@@MayorOfEarth79 No one's desperate for loving platonic same sex friendships in media. They're everywhere. Loving platonic opposite sex friendships in media are far, far less common, and yet I never see people complain about that
which is odd cause they didn't care at all if people watned FinnPoe to be a thing or Stucky like they kinda played with that a little why make a big deal with Luca? Is it cause it's an ANIMATED KID FRIENDLY film? And what MCU SW isn't marketed towards families?
you have a point... but my anger torwards the people denying the gay wont dissapear easily
So I'm as straight as a parabola, but even I wasn't expecting this movie to be read as gay and it WAS. It was SO. GAY. I kept seeing gay metaphors. It was there. In my face. In my eyes. In my soul.The jealousy, the "underdogs", Alberto outing himself, Luca outing himself to save Alberto, and finally, the train scene. THE TRAIN SCENE. Michael M. Mouse, this is gay and you are a coward.
THE TRAIN SCENE IS SO GAY AND I LOVE IT
@@natalia-vs9lg it was romantic and sad❤️🌈🌈
thank you🙏
I'm really confused by "I'm as straight as a parabola, but...". Does it mean you're gay or straight? 😂
It is released during pride month - a corporation is not 1 person. There absolutely must be little gay angels working at disney to have made this film happen.
I'm a gay italian 20 years old and i legit cried watching this, it seems like a piece by piece representation of my youth
Same. The year that I came out, my grandma and her girlfriend of like 30 years came out to me and my siblings.
I teared up at the two old ladies at the end.
As a trans gay Italian 25 years old..... I did too
as another 20 year old gay italian......i felt the exact same way
Hi. 13 y/o Pansexual Italian... and yes, this is how it's going rn so hey y'all Italian lgbt fellas :D
no
When people say "Oh they're kids why are you making them gay/making it romantic"
listen. that last train scene was literally the same scene as that one train scene in The Book of Life, and everyone and their grandma shipped Maria and Manolo. You cant say one is 'cute young love' and the other is 'forced romance'
I was thinking the exact same thing!
That and another Pixar Studios example. Carl and Ellie from Up. They have very similar personalities/interactions to Alberto and Luca. Alberto is boisterous, reckless, but has a caring protective side like Ellie. Luca is timid and thoughtful, but has an adventurous side that his partner brings out which is exactly like Carl!
If Luca or Alberto were an opposite sex pair people would say it was just like Carl and Ellie and they'd think, "Aw, they'll get married when they grow up just like Carl and Ellie did in Up."
My exact quote to my friend after I finished it was “for a “totally not gay” movie it still managed to be the gayest thing I’ve ever seen” so yah you are not alone. It’s super gay. Also the first time Luca comes out of the water he says things like “I can’t be here. I’m a good boy. I can’t do this, it’s wrong….” And like if that’s not what a baby gay raised in a homophobic community sounds like I don’t know what would. He clearly want to come out of the water and he knows that he belongs on land and once he’s out he finds the most joy he’s ever had. It’s soooo gay
Literally thought the director was joking when he said the movie wasn’t gay…like did you watch what you worked on sir??
I feel like he really did mean it when he said it, but he really shouldn't deny the fact that even if the characters aren't actually gay it is a story that has a lot of people relating to the character's storyline.
If anything the movie being gay was more accidental, or wasn't ment to be interpreted that way but still opens that door to allow it to be seen like that as again a lot of people do relate to it and that idea shouldn't be turned down for that reason. Weither the characters are Gay or not, dating or just having a genuine friendship, their story obviously reaches out far and that fact should never be denied.
I’m choosing to believe that they lied in order to get pixar/disney to sign off on it
Why should it even be gay? Come on, they are just kids, it's not even a love story. The only thing I see is a strong friendship between boys. I know that it might seem so, but why? Why do people keep bringing lgbt to every interaction between kids like these?? Please, leave this movie be just about friendship :c I'm so sick of people shipping every character in the movies even if they weren't meant to be in love in the first place.
@@toastywaffle5210 we arent shipping characters, theres lots of scenes in the movie that imply a romantic relationship rather than a friendship. thats why everybody is upset. and it's like they said in the video, you can have films with innocent childhood crushes. it happens all the time with straight kids in media. whats the difference if they're queer? not every romantic relationship revolves around sexual things.
@@toastywaffle5210 As everyone been saying there are lots of scenes that suggest at least one of the characters to be part of that community and many from said community has related to their story.
Which is why I say it was more accidental than purposely made gay as their are so many animated movies about a genuine friendship between two characters that end up being seen as a romance despite again, it never being one in the first place and is just simply a movie about friendship. (Yes, I do believe the creator when he says this wasn't a gay story as it was a very personal story for him, and not really for the audience. Unless he states otherwise, all I see is a movie about a strong friendship between the characters as again two gay characters don't always have to end up being in a relationship)
Even if the characters are gay or identify as something different, they don't have to romantically attracted to each other and can still hold a friendship with each other. In the end it is all up to the person watching it.
People may try to say "this isn't a gay movie" because noting explicitly gay, i.e. a kiss, open declaration of love, etc. happens on screen. When I was watching this although nothing like that happened I cried because this was similar to my experience growing up. Never showing who I was to my peers because I saw how they treated and talked about more out and proud gay kids at my school, or having parents that were somewhat accepting but scared because they didn't know better. This movie shows a queer experience because it was my experience growing up.
A "gay movie" doesn't need to be explicitly gay or have characters say that they are to still have that subtext baked into every single plot point of the film.
If anything this movie is gayer than any "first ever exclusive gay character" Disney has ever thrown in as a pithy example of representation. If they actually wanted queer representation they wouldn't still be doubling down on this while still trying to promote their pride merch as if that actually means anything.
I heard something interesting in James Somerton’s video about Yuri on Ice. He said that Western media and its audiences tend to require way more explicit plot beats than other cultures, due to some really complicated reasons about oral traditions in different parts of the world. So a piece of media can be purposely sending certain messages or have canonical gay relationships without there actually being a kiss scene. It’s kind of a comforting lens to view this movie from. The real message is in the visual storytelling (and the author is dead!!).
@@rachelgray6790 I've seen that video and I love it! It gets my point across perfectly.
So you’re saying it’s a “gay movie” because the main character isn’t accepted by his peers, even tho it’s because he’s a FISH MONSTER and not because he’s gay
@@The_Holy_Wooomy metaphors? also once again you could view the movie in three different ways because there’s not a specific romantic plot, simply because that’s not the intention. you could take it as luca and alberto having a crush on giulia (apparently that’s how her name is spelled, didn’t know that), alberto being the only one with a crush on giulia and being jealous because luca is spending more time with her than he gets to with her, or as luca having/not having a crush on giulia while alberto has a crush on luca. once again, technically that’s 4 since it’s two different possibilities in the last one, but you can interpret it as literal or metaphorical, and as for romance there’s 4+ ways to interpret it since it’s not really intended to be about romance.
I wish more movies were like that to be honest. I'm all for more representation but I'm so sick of the "Guys, this film has a [insert underused character type] in it! Tell everyone to go see it!!" Because when that becomes the focus, it just feels like begging for attention and half the time said minority or rare pair isn't even a main character or its only one scene. When you don't advertise it or try to make a statement, leave the film up for people to take it in as is, you can expand stories to just be stories without so much focus on how they treated the token character(s).
And also doing it this way means kids who may never get to see it because of conservative patents up in arms about them being brainwashed by "the gay agenda" can enjoy an actually good movie and decide for themselves what it means to them. Maybe it's a gay story, maybe it's a coming of age with two boys leaving home to try to find themselves, maybe it's a country boy who wants to pursue and education if he could afford it, maybe it's just a cute fish out of water experience as two fish have slice of life misadventures on land. My only concern is now that several youtubers have brought it up, it won't take long for the media to go "We were lied to! Boycott this movie!!" And ruin the fun for everyone.
All the little moments like when Luca is hugging onto Alberto when they’re on the Vespa I think is so cute
Well what else was he supposed to do
@@monkeydluffy7735 grab him by the shoulders bruh
i interpreted it as gay, and i am not even gay. the way i saw it, the kids are discovering new emotions/feelings. heterosexual kids get to have that childhood innocence whereas gay kids will be vilified because Disney still sees any glimpse of lgbt+ = sexual. at first i thought albertos father was killed and thats why he didnt return, but alberto being abandoned makes more sense.
Ugh, thank you! I'm not gay either, but goddamn it's so easy to see it! Come in Disney, stop being such cowards lol.
My straight mother immediately after watching this film was like “this was gay right?”
If my mom can tell it’s gay, it’s gay folks
OMG yes
Your mom seems cool lol
I would’ve said something to my mom about how it’s queer coded but she hates if I mention gay things, so I really can’t do much with her about the movie
My homophobic mother knew it was gay and tried to find a heterosexual explanation for it, she didnt like the movie
@@tenshipi170 oof
Let's not forget that when Alberto asks about Massimo's missing arm, he clearly says he was born that way. Born different. He states it simply and clearly and it shows the boys that there is nothing shameful about who they are.
The train scene where Alberto brazenly runs into the rain after Luca and turns into his sea monster self, followed by Luca leaning out of the train to look at Alberto waving and hollering his love being hit by the rain himself and turning into his colorful sea monster self while looking back at the boy who literally helped him come out (of the water)?! It's beautiful.
It's gay. Let the fish boys be gay.
Also the way Alberto said that Luca “got me off the island” at the end of the movie set my metaphor alarms off big time. I see it as a metaphor for both his isolation (he had shut himself off from both societies since his father left) and the closet
I also think Massimo’s arm is a very interesting detail that includes certain disabled people, which means they were clearly thinking about diversity (except for race), and yet they still didn’t make their relationship explicit
Yes because guys are the only ones who are born different
@@Ravenousyouth
Uh... I don't follow.
Let the fish boys be gay
I'm sorry I laughed at that XD
I feel like with Disney making obviously gay movies and denying it, i feel ike they are PURPOSELY creating queer-coded movies, but then they have to deny it so it doesnt get banned in certain countries, for example Onward was banned in a country because of the lesbian cop.
Disney queer-coded movies are just me when I was still closeted.
“Nono… I’m not… GAY.” I say as I do the hands
True, but also Luca is like 10000% more gay than Onward. The lesbian cop could reasonably be cut out of the film, but it's pretty obvious to anyone that the gay themes in Luca are, like, almost integral to the story. You could absolutely read it as just being about heterosexual friendship, but the qualities that people point out as being queer cannot be removed from the film e.g. Luca and Alberto's bond, the coming out scene, their illicit relationship.
I thought the cop was non binary?
That is why I am not watching this gay Movie and the DVD
The thing about this movie, is that gay movies were more common, this would be just another movie with a romance between two men, they simply don't kiss because they are kids.
Like, if in 10 years there is more representation in blockbuster movies, you could watch this movie and there is no moment where the writters try to hide it, or one has a girlfriend, or whatever. The level of romantic gestures Alberto and Luca display is the same level as WALL-E and Eve.
And for a gay kid, that has no metatextual awareness that movies don't often show gay representation, for him this will just be a movie about gay kids like himself.
i think this is what bothers me about the director's denial: it's not gay because they're too young for romance.. somebody plz explain to the straights that the word gay isn't a synonym for buttsexx..
@@realshipn5546 get back to me when you brush up on your 3rd grade reading skills..
@@realshipn5546 again, you clearly did not read (or comprehend) what i said, so i'll explain it again niiiiiice and slooooow: gay representation does NOT have to mean gay romance/sex.. i guarantee you 99.99999% of LGBTQ+ ppl knew they felt "different" before ever having a "boyfriend" or having sex.. clearly this is something you (and the director) seem wholly unable to grasp, but by all means, keep perpetuating your homophobia on a gay channel where literally nobody is impressed..
I really wanted wall-e and st-eve
@@girliboi and like, they expect a director from Disney, a company that shines from the almost nonexistent openly LGBTQ+ representation to go out and say "Yes, they are gay" like. Disney cares about money, and the biggest markets are countries with not as much legal/social acceptance of LGTBQ+ folks, so it will mean boycotts, conservatives being against, etc etc. OF COURSE he's gonna deny it. Like dudebros use the director card just to rub it in our faces telling us to not feel represented in this movie and its annoying
Can we also talk about how they’re always touching each other like reaching out to grab their hand or hug each other when they’re scared it’s the cutest thing
THIS
YESSS!!!
IKRRRRR
Yesssss and when the bully was beating them up and Alberto put Luca behind him ☹️🥺🥺🥺🥺
@@nanaaamorr EXACTLY
Disney: Luca isn’t gay
Gays: SILENZIO BRUNO
OMG!!! THIS
THIS MADE ME LAUGH WAY TOO HARD
PFFT
SCREAM IT LOUDER FOR DISNEY TO HEAR
LMFAO
My thing is the Pixar statement is all “this is really a coming of age story about children who are too young for romantic feelings and I’m just here like WELL YES OF COURSE. THEYRE STILL GAY. it’s the most relatable portrayal of the like 11-14 year old baby gay experience of meeting another (maybe slightly older) gay person and ending up in the most intense friendship of your young life because you don’t have the language to understand if you want to be like this person or if you want to be best friends forever or if you want to kiss this person! You just know you want to spend all your time with them! CLASSIC BABY GAY.
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Love this comment
THIS! THANK YOU!
SHUSBDIDBEUD THIS MADE ME RELATE SO HARD-
Too young doesn't mean they don't have those feelings.
Luca and Alberto are boyfriends and Giulia 1000% uses she/they pronouns, I don’t make the rules
giulia my queen 😩
this is all very trueeeee
As a Giulia who uses she/they pronouns, I must confirm that this is 100% true
Honestly, Giulia gives me very violent ally vibes
@@devilledeggmuncher *flashbacks to Judit from gsp*
The end credit song that is in Italian translates to being in a town and they know nothing about you, missing your love, the one you kiss, the one you lay next to….
BRUH. I hope that's true. if it is, they _knew_ what they were doing
That’s true I translated it from Spanish! ( it’s easier )
*Città Vuota - Mina - Italian Lyrics*
Le strade piene
La folla intorno a me
Mi parla e ride
E nulla sa di te
Io vedo intorno a me chi passa e va
Ma so che la città
Vuota mi sembrerà
Se non torni tu
C’è chi ogni sera
Mi vuole accanto a sé
Ma non m’importa
Se I suoi baci mi darà
Io penso sempre a te, soltanto a te
E so che la città
Vuota mi sembrerà
Se non torni tu
Come puoi tu
Vivere ancor solo senza me
Non senti tu
Che non finì il nostro amor
(torna da me, amor
E non sarà
Più vuota la città)
Le strade piene
La folla intorno a me
Mi parla e ride
E nulla sa di te
Io vedo intorno a me chi passa e va
Ma so che la città
Vuota mi sembrerà
Se non torni tu
Come puoi tu
Vivere ancor solo senza me
Non senti tu
Che non finì il nostro amor
- - - - - - - - - -
*Città Vuota - Mina - English Translation*
The crowded streets
The crowd around me
It talks to me and laughs
And it knows nothing about you
Around me, I see who passes by and goes
But I know the city
Will seem empty to me
If you don’t come back
There is someone who
Wants me next to him every night
But I don’t care
If he gives me his kisses
I always think of you, only of you
And I know the city
Will seem empty to me
If you don’t come back
How can you
Live alone without me
Don’t you feel it
That our love did not end
(Come back to me, love
And the city won’t be empty anymore)
The crowded streets
The crowd around me
It talks to me and laughs
And it knows nothing about you
I see who passes by and goes around me
But I know the city
Will seem empty to me
If you don’t come back
How can you
Live alone without me
Don’t you feel it
That our love did not end
It’s like when historians say oh they were close friends
THIS
*cough cough* Achilles and Patroclus *cough cough*
And they were roommates
fr its like Achilles and Patroclus all over again
And like Laurens and Hamilton
I'm kinda sick of people saying that they can't be gay or whatever because they're children. Like I'm 14, the same age as Alberto, and I've been out to my friends for almost a year now (I'm bisexual and non-binary, btw). So yes, children can be queer, just as children can be straight
So true! It's not like I became gay overnight once I hit eighteen. This has always been me, and I actually find it really validating to look back and realise all the innocent crushes I had on girls when I was little.
No one asked about ur gender
thats not why were saying they cant be gay, you're putting children in romantic situations when they're just being kids getting along well
@@memeymeme. yeah, you could interpret it as just friendship but like, if luca or alberto was a girl, you cannot tell me that rhe majority of people who watch luca would ship it so..
but yeah your point is still valid, queer ppl like me and the others just want some good representation :>
@@st4rsw4llow Luca and Alberto dont have to be gay to represent lgtbq struggle, obviously the movie is clearly an lgtbq support movie, but automatically thinking that makes the characters gay or if they aren't gay themselves then it cant be a gay film is stupid.
I stg when Alberto just went: “Hey! My friend smells amazing!” After people were making fun of how Luca “Smelled like fish” My dad went: “Is this supposed to be romance-“
XD
yes. yes it is
Bruh he was literally defending his friend how is that gsy
@@monkeydluffy7735 It was the way he emphasized “amazing” lmao 😂 I just felt like the “amazing” was exaggerated, and he coulda said “fine” or “okay” but “amazing” was pretty gay. Just my opinion tho, hope I didn’t offend you in any way 😁
@@monkeydluffy7735 It’s cute to interpret it as romantic, I guess. Adds another layer to what he’s saying.
Of course the characters aren’t 100% definitively gay, but viewing from that lense is pretty interesting since a lot of moments can parallel gay experiences, whether they were intended to be that way. Essentially, it’s more interesting and enjoyable to some people, and because the story being gay makes sense to them, they want to interpret it that way. Also, because it makes so much sense to them, it can be hard to understand when someone doesn’t share that perspective.
Hope that clears it up!
I watched this and cried when the grandma said, “Some people will accept him and some will never but he’s found the good ones” or something. Everything you said, I saw in the movie. They can say what they want but we know what’s up. It’s not enough but soon, we’ll get something that’s really gay, I hope.
I really love that line specifically because as a lgbtq+ nerodivergent person that line really hits on both of those things and was a really amazing way of portraying that
The old lesbians was the moment I said ok this is GAY, THIS ISNT ME READING INTO IT THIS WAS INTENTIONAL.
YES THAT WAS SO INTENTIONAL I CAUGHT THAT TOO AND I AGREE
The director did not intend to make this even a little gay, its a story about friendship. Argue me all you want, but you can't change the facts.
I SAW THEM AND WENT "Ooh lesbians!" IT WAS SO OBVIOUS SIHWUIDJHSKEEGKWHFK
Golden Ninja one thing about art, its subjective, and you can't force your opinion on other peoples comments, you got big balls then make your own comment and see what people think of it instead of leeching off david's comment.
@@goldenninja9053 SILENZIO BRUNO
In my opinion, it’s most definitely queer coded, but because Disney is too afraid of having any kind of backlash, and that they might lose money, they only use the gay card when they know it’s safe to do so, and your right about them being homophobic, cuz if they did care about gay people they would have been honest about the subtext of this movie instead of pretending it’s not there... the fact that literally everyone is seeing Luca as a gay love story goes to show that Disney is lying through their teeth to keep all the more conservative watchers happy, because that is what sells.
exactly !! not to talk abt the fact that the movie aired during pride month
The director said that the movie was about his life with his best friend.
I don’t see how this movie is gay
@@monkeydluffy7735 Some say it's gay because two boys have a really good relationship and one gets jealous that the other is spending more time with another friend. Now I'm fine with people interpreting it like that, even the director said he was fine with it, but I don't know why two boys can't just have a best friend relationship without being classified as gay.
@@Puggers22 People aren't saying they can't just be friends. They are interpreting it as gay, but that's a subjective reading that nobody is trying to force onto anyone. The only people forcing a binary reading of the film is Disney, by openly stating that the film is heterosexual, therefore limiting discourse over it to a lame arbitrary fact-check.
“how will i know you’ll be okay?”
“you got me off the island, luca. i’m okay.”
*ugly sobbing*
It hits so hard 😭😭😭😭
LITERALLY JUST FINISHED IT AND IM SOBBING
@@Mimimacklin I AM GONNA BE REWATCHING THIS MOVIE SO MANY TIMES AAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH
@@soniaruzafaangosto9162 sammeee 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I made some fanart of the characters giving like a peck on the cheek and was immediately accused of sexulixation. I think the inherent sexualizing of queer relationships in conservative groups is why in part they push back so hard on the subtext.
THIS! which is absolutely unacceptable to begin with so I hope this kind of "totally not gay" gay movies can be a nudge in the right direction
like they could've leant in harder with the romance even if they're so young (like with a peck on the cheek!) but it's still very clearly gay imo and you can't change my mind, so I don't even care if they don't kiss before the train leaves (holding hands till they can't anymore was enough to bring out the tears)
The whole fact of Luca and Alberto wanting to just runaway together on just one Vespa and just to live together with eachother and nobody else but then is so gay don’t even get me started on when Giulia was like: “You’re a sea monster?? In Portorosso??? Haven’t you seen this town?? Are you insane??” Also very very gay. Don’t even get me started on Alberto’s backstory omg
Love your PFP
How was the second part gay though?
i swear i just wanted them to get together
also love your pfp. solangelo!!
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 I can't speak for the original commenter, but to me the second part represents the danger of LGBT+ people moving to very small close knit homophobic towns. I've even had this conversation with my gay friends before of, "You're really moving there? Are you crazy?" Because we knew how dangerous it was to move to those kinds of homophobic communities. At least, that's what I took from it.
@@rou966 I mean that's true, but associating that with this seemed like a bit of a stretch. No offense.
"Bruno is internalized homophobia" is not the take I expected today but I like it
Oh that was VERY obvious to me when I watched it. (And honestly? It was the queer subtext of what queer childhood Actually Looks Like (especially when you won’t be able to put words to those experiences to understand them better when you’re older Because of things like familial/societal homophobia keeping those terms inaccessible.))
Like, the whole “yet another Boys’ Childhood Slice of Life”? Yeah I got bored of those back in the 90s-00s when those films were still regularly made with 80s and Late 70s often replayed as well. It’s quite literally the “yup they’re definitely gay even if the crew can’t/won’t outright say it or admit it after the fact” that did something interesting
We just proved gay people can’t sit on chairs Rowan was not sitting properly on the chair for more than a minute.
shit you right
Stop calling me out
sending luca to the deep because they found out he wanted to to leave the water just sounds like sending a kid to conversion therapy because they found out he’s gay
edit: never mind she mentioned this
....
Never felt like that
Lol
...How is that in anyway like that? No thas just no. Gods sake man. How the flying fuck are those two related? They're not in anyway.
A different reading (which doesn't devalue the other readings)
To me, a lot of the story feels Jewish. An ancient community where the members might pass or might be revealed having a wary interaction with another community with a tradition of persecution and murder. A movie set in 1950s to 1960s Italy, a country that had death camps up until 1945. Your parents are traumatised and warn you to stay away. Once your parents find out that you're making friends with the enemies you might get packed up and sent to a religious school or Israel.
hot take: male angler fish are waay smaller than females so luca’s ‘uncle’ is goth and trans
omg, this is canon now, I won't accept any other opinions
THANK YOU. I can accept the head cannon because honestly I was unreasonably angry with Pixar for having an Uncle anglerfish when it made no sense and could Have just been an aunt. This is a good solve.
Felix-
😟huh
@@Cloudfrog7 yeah, male angler fish are tiny and attach to females then they become apart of the female, it's really interesting lol
And are we just gonna ignore the fact that the end credit song is abt missing your lover in the city 😂
There is someone
Who wants me next to them each night
But i don’t care
If they give me their kisses or not
I always think of you,
Only of you
and I know the city…
Will seem empty to me
If you don’t come back
How can you live,
alone without me?
Don’t you feel
That our love is not done?
The empty streets
always more deserted
I read your name
everywhere around me
Come back to me, my love
And the city will be empty no longer
And I will live with you
All of my days
All of my days
All of my days
AHHHHH IM CRYING THIS IS SO CUTE!!!
THEY TOTALLY DID IT ON PURPOSE I CAN'T
*YES*
THERE IS NO HETEROSEXUAL EXPLANATION
Found the quotes from the director when asked about queerness in the movie:
"We were quite aware that we wanted to talk about that time in life before boyfriends and girlfriends. So there's an innocence and a focus on the friendship side. I feel like the story would be a little different in that it's slightly more complicated when romance comes in."
and
"We thought a lot about having to "show your sea monster" as embracing your own difference, and as a metaphor for anything... We love that the idea that isn't too specific, but it's hopefully universal, because you can apply your own prism."
These seem in conflict with each other, is the movie a "metaphor for anything" or "anything just not queer"?
Also I honestly can't see any other minority group or anything else working as a perfect metaphor here, it can't be about race because that's not something people can hide the way the sea monsters can.
The movie has an outing scene, a coming out scene things that are specifically things queer people go through. The movie is full of romance tropes and starts and ends with romance songs that mirror Luca/Albertos situations, so how is it not queer and how is it "that time in life before boyfriends and girlfriends"? The characters are 13 and 14 respectively, kids that age have crushes, kids that age are starting to figuring out their sexualities/gender.
If the creators truly don't intend anything queer about the movie I'm going to be brutally honest, the movie would have zero meaning, a lot of the emotion in scenes from the climax would be gone and it would be one of the only Pixar movies without a solid message behind it. If the creators truly didn't intend for us to interpret it as queer they did a very poor job at delivery the message they intended, like come on you don't use romance tropes, queer tropes and open/end with loves songs and then say the movies about "platonic friendship".
I do think they don't really have a choice 🤔
They could get in some *serious* trouble if they openly admitted that it's a queer relationship, so they leave the choice to us as an audience to make that out ourselves. It is pretty obvious that Alberto and Luca are gay for each other, and we can see that; but if someone who's homophobic brings that up, they can easily point to this and say that they didn't mean it to be that way.
It's a sad state of affairs, but with the kind of world we live in right now, it can't be helped 😭
In the early draft an creation the director of call me by your name was on board early, make of that what you want . And the direcor, th actual one, yep he didntwant toruin his career but a gay kids movie. Or he adapted it.
@@marocat4749 Do you have a source for that? I can't find where Luca Guadagnino was involve in this movie, past the mention of Call Me by Your Name when people compared it to the trailers.
I agree with you but at the same time I don't think what is said in those interviews matters that much when it comes to the quality and meaning of the final product. Independently of what they might say or whatever of the intention behind the film, it still comes off as a metaphor for queerness. In the same way, If there were no queer element to it they wouldn’t be able to sell it as a “gay film” no matter how many interviews stating the contrary.
I take those claims the same way I take Luca saying he's not a sea monster.
Honestly the fact that Disney didn't advertise it having a "first gay character" makes it even more queer, and probably they didn’t want to risk by stating it out loud. 😅.
The movie doesn't HAVE to be gay though. And I'm not saying that from a point of homophobia - I consider myself bisexual - but making it a universal "coming out/revealing who I am" story can apply to more than just one's sexuality. In making it a more broad representation, then people CAN take away the queer subtext, but they can also takeaway whatever it is that they are processing.
Schrodinger's Gay Kids Movie.
LITERALLY all they had to do was have one of the boys kiss the other on the cheek at the end. I legit thought they might, for a second, because their whole friendship read so much like a crush to me. It's SO romance coded ughhh
Ikkkk but they didn't and I had a mental breakdown😫😫
WE CAN PRETEND TOGETHER
They also could've done this and claimed it wasn't gay though, just Italian.
I think that would've hurt the movie. The movie is about 2 boys who are friends. Maybe there is a crush, maybe there isn't but to have a movie be ultimately about friendship and then change the nature of the relationship at the end would've been out of place. I personally would like to see a sequel where they explore their relationship more deeply and maybe explore some unrequited love between them.
I feel like that would’ve been too on the nose though, I liked the way the movie handled it. It symbolizes a gay relationship more than it shows one.
the fact that on top of all of this, this movie was released in the middle of pride month, makes me mad
Just some heteronormative salt in wound for us.
LITERALLY.
And straight to Disney+ too, all hush hush and not as advertised as Raya or Cruella.
The same with Loki, that (until now at least) is only queer baiting
@@terriblyterry Raya was also super gay tbh
...
I was watching Luca and I was silently screaming, "He's gay, he's so gay, he has to be gay. If Alberto was a girl, they'd do a whole crush scene, I swear, he's gay."
LOL me too, I watched it with my friends and said “gay” at least 40 times. (also I love ur pfp)
@@moeshrooms385 That's awesome
And thanks!
You cannot tell me that the two of them riding on that Vespa wasn’t supposed to come off like a gay romance. It was fucking adorable.
Do you know how many gay movies have the two boys ridding a Vespas in it like that... So many. Can't think of a straight one that does... Just saying.
@@neallanders357 seriously there are soooo many gay (m/m) coming of age movies that have the two boys riding a bicycle or motorcycle or something TOGETHER…. I don’t know where this trope came from but it seems to be a THING
@@ashbaker4422 Its my new favorite thing
this was very iconic of you
OMG RUclips Royalty has graced this video.
@@Alchemist1330 who?
it ‘twas wasn’t it
@@alxandro5504 milesjai was one of the OG genderqueer poc youtubers. They had hundrends of thousands of subscribers back in 2010. RUclips was VERY different back the . Miles was one of the youtubers back then that helped me come out during high school. seeing someone being so funny, whitty, and beloved while being a queer POC was not common on youtube back then. Their Mickey Stupid hoe video is still one of the great youtube vids.
miles!!!
I swear in like ten years people will be like « if luca was your favorite movie as a kid you are now gay »
LMAO I CAN SEE THAT
Lol
I see it.
No more rainbow fish. Now we have sea monster boys.
hAHA I CAN TOTALLY SEE THAT
For real though, I was watching this with my family and broke down crying multiple times throughout the whole film (to the point where they were looking at me weird). I went into this film not knowing what to expect but as a queer kid, I quickly connected the movie to my experiences having to hide who I was from everyone. The makers of this film may not have intended for the film to be gay but it did for sure help me and surely many others accept who they are. This movie will probably be a piece of comfort media that I'll revisit in the future whenever I feel bad.
Why are people trying to say this movie shouldn't be interpreted as a romance when Luca legitimately had daydream sequences where he romanticized the idea of running away with Alberto on a Vespa? The field of flowers, sailing into the sky with the fish? What is romance if it isn't whatever those two had going on?
FR IKR! he wanted to run away with his crush like there's no heterosexual explanation for that
And like not on two Vespas, but sharing ONE. How’s that not romance?
You all are really desperate lol
@@qwertyuiopasdfghjklzxcvbnm3093 If one of the boys were a girl instead, would you also be thinking there was a little romance mixed in? I'm genuinely curious here.
@@Fallen4theFallen2 What do you mean? Like if alberto was a girl or something?
Rowan: Make it gay, you cowards!
Disney: That's not profitable
"But our money from China tho... :("
@@ethanlivemere1162 or anywhere else. In the world.
Between this and raya...they are testing the terrain, seeing how gay can they do it without certain sector complaining
@@nessyness5447 yeah I agree, they’re testing the waters
Also how could they now. I’m so sure it would actually be profitable !
“Alberto doesn’t want to lose Luca to the heteros”
Schrafrilla studios I think
Sounds right...
i love him
Yes.
That line was iconic.
Schrafrilla's video: ruclips.net/video/xOKqHFyO0cw/видео.html
"losing him to the heteros"
"How could people put gay stuff into a CHILDREN'S movie"
To that I say how could people put adult jokes in KIDS movies and what's so wrong about putting gay characters in movies they might as well be the same as straight characters
thats not the issue, its that you're putting kids in romantic situations when they're just getting along well
@@memeymeme. i highly doubt you would even care if one of them was a girl
Before watching the movie, I heard all about how it wasn't supposed to be 'a gay' movie. Cue my *shock* when there is scene, after scene, after scene, after allegory, after line, after scene, etc. that are all perfectly representing what LGBTQ+ youth go through. Like....how are they even denying it at this point? Is it just so they can show it in China?
As someone that has watched Chinese bl dramas, this follows all their patterns. All the imagery, emotions, allegories, metaphors and symbolisms are there. But no one ever verbalizes it and there is no confirmation at any point, so they can just barely pass it off as "just friends" for all the conservative people to not raise a fuss. Which is a shame tbh.
100% this. If the general feeing about gay people shifted significantly in China, we'd probably be seeing way less pushback against LGBTQ+ people in Disney films.
Same like-
I walked into this movie with the idea that this wasn't "a gay" movie because of the statements that the director said in regards to that but oml I can't- there's just so much
Ikr
my father came in at the end and after the train scene happend he was like did "they make two gay sea monsters like that kinda goodbye is usually used for a guy and a girl who are a couple" and just like I died he barely saw any of this movie at all and he still piked up on it
Update today we went over to my uncle and his boyfriend's house for Father's Day and my uncle's boyfriend referred to it as his movie about when he was coming out of the water
@Letícia Lopes you are abesolutly right about that
The fact that Bruno is probably the dad, he left his kid, and it represents the voice that’s holding him back … 🌝
Dam not me thinking I’m smart and then you bringing up the points 😂😭
There are people theorizing that Bruno is probably the name of Alberto's dad. And it was never translated to brain either. Brain in Italian is called as 'cervello'. So yeah, Bruno could be the dad.
@@xxstar-bluesxx wait who assumed Bruno meant brain in Italian? 💀
@@dannyblanco8544 What are the points? I think they erase their comment
omg I thought that too!
even if you interpret Luca and Alberto's relationship as platonic the story is still very queer coded, plenty of people come to terms with their LGBT identities through platonic friends who are also LGBT 🤷♂️
one thing that i don’t see mentioned at all when talking about the queerness of this movie is that when giulia asks alberto and luca why they came to portorosso,, luca goes on a WHOLE tangent that just made me 😳. if i remember correctly, luca says along the lines that he and alberto are runaways, and that his parents were going to take him away from everything *he loved* by sending him away. he then says that they can be FREE together if they win the race. giulia looks over at alberto immediately after luca says this, but he immediately dissipates that “are they.. yknow..” nudging from luca’s tangent by saying that he’s just helping luca out.
maybe it’s just me.. but does that not sound like homophobic parents threatening to send their lgbt+ kid away after finding out their identity along with their partner, but then the child and their partner run away to be free together?? it’s literally the blueprint!! (sorry if this makes hardly any sense, this is basically a brain dump lmao.)
Omg i was literally thinking of that he said "Everything he loved" I was SCREAMING in my head
@@unculturedpieceofbutter6919 SAMEEE
So much this! I was dying when he said "everything I love"
... because somehow running away with Alberto didn't mean that 😁😇.
SAME!!! LMFAO even my parents asked if they were gay 🤷🏼♂️
no oh my god you were right on the money with this
Literally confirming them to be gay wouldn’t have changed a damn thing, EVERY part of the story and scenarios fit perfectly and I’m just having a very hard time believing that it wasn’t originally supposed to be this. Just once I’d like to see Disney stop their hypocrisy and just say “Okay. We’re sorry. They are gay, kids please enjoy”
(Edit) I see that a few people are getting upset, and yes I have to admit they don't HAVE to confirm them gay. But at the very least they could've left it ambiguous just to give our community some sort of hope for representation, instead of shooting us down. I digress, they didn't have to confirm it to be gay if that wasn't their intention, but maybe at least leave it open to interpretation?
I’m pretty sure they denied it so they wouldn’t get in trouble. That whole movie screamed Gay.
@Ashley’s Animation kingdom your acting like a movie featuring gay people is a bad thing, also everything you have stated has been disproven in the video, did you even watch it or just came to the comments to be homophobic?
@Ashley’s Animation kingdom you never said you just didn’t want any shipping until now, you just came in saying that it isn’t gay and also implied that children shouldn’t learn about homosexuality because it’s “inappropriate” which is a homophobic comment you dunce.
@Ashley’s Animation kingdom
Them being sea monster sounds like a metaphor to people who are gay and trying to come out
Like them having to hide themselves- their true selves to live on the surface because they could get kill is something that is something people struggle with
Ok. I don’t really want any romance on the movie tbh but I like the representation
Okay but when the two ladies eating gelato together at the end turned out to be sea monsters... you cannot deny the lesbian energy they were emitting.
I showed this to my family and said nothing after after my moms exact words were “are they gay?” And I died 💀
The neurotic energy here contrasting with the tropical vacation aesthetic is everything I need
I feel like there are going to be so many people saying: "Just because the boys are good friends doesn't make them gay!!"
When what they mean is: "I don't want any gays in my mainstream Disney media! Stay in your niche!"
breaking news!: "heterosexual doesn't see something that's been carefully coded for LGBTQ+ viewers while simultaneously sailing over straight audiences heads".. literally the whole objective/definition of queercoding, but by all means, hetsplain it to us.
Yeah it's so annoying :/
Personally I don't like the idea of shipping the boys because they're young but I think the gay/bi/general queer viewings of the film are so cute! Just be respectful to others' ideas and don't do anything questionable with minor characters and we can all be in harmony
@@twiggydoodles625 from everything i've heard, sounds like this film shoots waaaaay past the point of "headcanons", but yea, literally nobody here is asking for a sex scene..
@@girliboi havent watched it myself yet but i did hear sweet things about the boys' dynamic, I'm sure they'd be adorable together in the future :)
We queer folks deserve more innocent representation, I'd kill for a wholesome story about a little boy having a crush on his boy best friend
EDIT:
Also when I included the don't do questionable stuff with minors bit that was in regards to those twitter artists who insist on r/34ing everything :')
I don't think it was clear that I also see this movie as a queer allegory, I just personally don't want the kids to date until they're 13/14 😅
OMG yes. my cousins will be among them. I accidentally outed my (passed away) grandfather to the rest my cousins because my mother had told me they knew. Turns out she lied. Anyhow this lead to a long argument over the stacks of Playgirl magazines grandpa left in his trailer. i mean stacks of hundreds of Playgirl magazine piled to the ceiling. And my aunts and uncles were all like... grandpa said he bought those for the articles. (facepalm) to which i replied no one on a fixed income buys a thousand Playgirl magazines for the "articles" you bunch of yahoos. Long story short I no longer speak to that side of the family.
I can not imagine existing in 2021 and writing this story and then being like "lol what? No homo." Like.... Y'all can't even claim ignorance. It's gay.
Lol. Like, there are so many bad faith accounts in this thread.
These people will literally have you in the comments of an Italian love song, trying to gaslight you into not seeing any queerness.
(Citta Vouta, the song that plays as the credits start, is literally about a pair of lovers that are separated and how empty the town feels to the one who got left behind.)
@@monstermoo4191 ikr?! That song by Mina is beautiful, when I found out they used that, I finally knew the queer subtext (that isn't the only one btw) was intentional and was overjoyed!
It’s not, the director said they aren’t gay
@@monkeydluffy7735 philosophically… if you only take account for what is shown in the movie, whatever a director says is not _really_ the most important aspect when interpreting any form of media - especially if what they said can be disproven in the media. Queerness is heavily alluded to in the story. The film is more likely to be queer than it is not queer.
@@monkeydluffy7735 the author? He's dead baby.
my dad, who ngl is a little homophobic (he doesn't try to be, just says some things that make me uncomfy), said immediately after watching the movie, "that was really gay, huh?"
and I'm sitting here nearly in tears because they're gonna grow up with pictures of each other to show their grandchildren like "this here, he was my first love"
gay fish men. best idea Disney's came up with since
uh
idk jurassic park 2?
Bro what do gay about it
@@monkeydluffy7735 lol what
Disney’s homophobia grinds my gears *so much* cause the whole damn company wouldn’t even be here today if not for the work of countless hard working gay people in their employ. And all they do is give the limpest of platitudes, repressing those creators into their little profitable box and heteronormative lifestyle. Don’t think we forgot about the Love, Victor Disney+ incident! If anyone has a list of Disney execs to blacklist I’d love to see it.
how much of thier employees are actualy gay?
@Maddy Same! it grinds my gear so much because they had done a post about pride month and i was like "yall are homophobic you can't even put a single gay character in your movie or show it without you worrying about the money you are going to lose about it"
@@l0sts0ul89 What doy you mean “actually gay” like????????
@@victorthecollector9198
How many of them are gay , cause some of people might think they are but not.
I'm just gonna say it, musicals are pretty gay.
Disney's like a conservative, closeted gay person that won't admit what they are.
That "you got me off the island" absolutely broke me. I love the relationship between Alberto and Luca, it was so wholesome and suprisingly deep for a fairly short movie.
And it's like you say, making it so they have a lil' crush on each other (as children do) would have only added layers. The basics were already there! There is so much that's applicalbe to being LGBT, like that whole scene with Alberto outing himself and Luca abandonning him struck a cord. And that's just the tip of the iceberg....
I can't belive disney is doing this to us AGAIN :,)
I want a shirt with
“Make it gay, you goddamn cowards”
In bold letters
Same
Marvel: "we made it bi"
Don't know how far Eternals will take it, it's already going to be banned in China so they might just go all the way
ahem **hands money** 🥺🤲
IKR i really wanna wear that kind of shirt and go to disney land
Yessssss
when alberto gets jealous i can confirm that it’s definitely not “friendship jealousy”.
@@hinamatsuro1908 it’s also never stated that they were straight? stop telling people what they can and can not do. it’s perfectly valid to ship luca and alberto so let people do what they want. i said that because i myself have felt that jealousy and it wasn’t for friendship.
@yeetus fetus nope it was never stated. it only stated that the relationship was platonic, but that doesn’t have to stop people from shipping them. although the movie isn’t a queer movie, it really does help a lot of queer people w their own experiences and to be themselves.
@yeetus fetus i know it’s not canonically gay but, it’s also not canonically straight either. and that’s my point. we can’t assume everyone is straight. i feel like queer people can be represented by this film with the message it sends even if the message isn’t directed towards specifically queer people.
but still, people can have headcanons (think what they want to basically) on the characters sexual orientation even when it’s not confirmed.
@@hinamatsuro1908 lol why are you so pressed
“While I identify with pronouns he/him and I’m a straight man, the themes of diversity acceptance and inclusion in our movie are dear to my heart!” - Luca’s director
Now, c’mon, you can’t tell me Luca isn’t queer coded
Also Luca's director "they're not gay"
It isnt
@@monkeydluffy7735 why are you so pressed
@@sawnickringz fr lmao
@@monkeydluffy7735 not you replying this on every other comment, obsessed much💀
Who invited this guy?
Disney: Releases Luca during Pride month and says, "Luca isn't gay *wink wink*"
SERIOUSLY LMAOAKDJDKSJK
IT WAS SO OBVIOUS C'MON
Pixar has a reputation for releasing their movies in June. Not just Luca.
-Toy Story 4
-Incredibles 2
-Cars 3
-Inside Out
-Finding Dory
-Wall-E
-Toy Story 3
-Cars
-Ratatouille
And in June 2022, Lightyear. So the fact this movie came out during Pride Month is more of a coincidence. But if it was released during Pride Month on purpose.............
*happy day*
Coincidence? *I think not*
gay lol
The people who say "teaching children about lqbtq+ is bad." But yet also have their kids watch the bee movie that is about a a bee falling in love with a human...
Or a woman falling in love with a literal monster that is kind of a bully at first. (Beauty and the Beast) It's like, different species is okay but same sex of same species isnt?
THATS NOT THE REASON
Its because gay movies wont be sold in china
They try to hint at it but it still has to be sold in china
@@devillass6025 Is that Sleeping Beauty or Beauty and the Beast? I don’t remember Prince Eric being a LITERAL monster. He was just a sweet boi.
@@devillass6025 you got your movies mixed up 😬 Aurora wanted to be with a human she met in a dream.
@@devillass6025 i get you but I think that's Beauty and the beast
I also loved when the two grumpy ladies revealed themselfs as sea monsters at the end! To me it immediately said: „Yes, queer people have always been here, even if you didn't see it before.“
The first time Luca’s mom mentioned “Sending him to the deep”, I immediately thought of conversion therapy.
Why?
i may be looking too deep but something else to think of is how surface fish can barely survive and don’t belong in the deep water… hmm sounds familiar
Same
ABSOLUTELY
Meh you're exaggerating
I think a bisexual reading of Luca works too. Like the scene with Julieta showing him books and imaging being on Saturn clearly parallels an earlier scene with Alberto. Omg and Alberto saying "What do you think she will say if she sees who you really are?" reads as a common fear that bi guys have made explicit. But Alberto is clearly gay and into Luca
Thank you! I had the same reading!
When I watched the movie I thought the exact same thing. It seemed Luca wanted to be with Alberto AND Julieta and I thought he would struggle with which adventure he wanted to go on. But I do think that he and Julieta don’t end up together, because of the credit pictures. They just look like friends in there.
Same
Luca’s mum: It’s like I don’t even know him.
Me: *sips tea gay-ly*
PLSSS “sips tea gay-ly” I love that
I feel like in 10 years they'll tell us that it was gay on purpose and they couldn't tell us.
Totally! Or maybe they'll even make continuations in the next years where they end up together, who knows
H e l l o past human being. I am delighted to inform you that Luberto is confirmed here in the wonderful world of 2024.