Thanks for posting this video review Todd...Those of us who watch your content appreciate the effort you put into the content and it's invaluable information.
Thanks! Yes, the new Photo Rag Matt Baryta is stunning. I love it and see this as a new standard for matte papers (beside the Canson Arches 88). Give also a try to the Photo Rag Pearl and the new Bamboo Gloss. Both are outstanding papers in Hahnemühle´s portfolio...
Great video Todd, and hats off to you too for not producing only content that's guaranteed a high click count. I ordered the Hahnemuhle test packs some time ago, and had earmarked the William Turner paper for some big landscapes that I plan to get printed. But your insightful video really did highlight that it's a paper that works wonderfully well for some scenarios, but looks a little incongruous in others. Keep up the great work...
Thanks for such an excellent review. I've always been a great fan of Baryta papers. I might need to test the Matte Baryta. I'm so glad it seems to work well for both color and B&W.
A very useful review for me: I always appreciate it when the reviewer gives an honest, “… if I had to pick one, it would be …” I keep considering Hahnemühle papers until I look at the prices and the complex considerations to pick one. Hahnemühle papers are definitely for one’s best shots, and after numerous test prints on quality, but less expensive papers.
Thank you Todd Always re-evaluating paper for what else is out there. Been shooting 12 years and love even more printing for the last 6 years! Great review and I appreciate the personal opinion because we all have one so why not understand what others like and why? I will definitely test print the photo tag Matt baryta. Sounds like a great option. Thank you again Scott
This was very thorough and incredibly helpful. Love seeing practical info and advice on printing - its not talked about nearly enough on RUclips. Like some other commenters I would also love to hear your take on US-based Red River Paper, since its a bit easier to come by in the States.
Very informative and well produced, thanks. I've been using Museum Etching for few. Gorgeous paper, the texture is not as pronounced as WT, but still add character and it's less intrusive.
Thank you for this amazing information. Your black and white image is just special. Great work. Looking for printing paper for my Epson ET-8550 and looking at this. Think I start out with the epson papers first. The sample pack every photo paper manufacturers should have.
Great review! I have the Matte Baryta as well and shoot a lot of black and white and I'm pleased with it BUT be aware it seems to curl if you leave it out after printing and you want to close the box when not in use for that reason.
Thank you Todd! Excellent review which helps me to get orientation in this area of Fine Art Print. So far I mostly used Canon papers and have been quite happy. But, obviously, there is more ... And this video helped me and encouraged me to try and find out: how much more is possible?
Great video, love the look of the new baryta matte paper, definitely had my eye on this for a while but will pick some up soon so I’m glad you analysed it. I absolutely love the William turner though, that texture brings images to life and the way the image embeds in it makes it appear even more painterly, but you’re correct that more bland/less detailed areas of an image do not benefit from it. I would be loved to see a hands on comparison with the Baryta satin paper, from what I’ve read it has the greatest DMax of their papers to really compare the punchy contrast and ability to replicate an edited image on screen.
Very nice review. One additional comment, Epson and Canon do produce 100% cotton papers. I like Epson Platine 100%cotton rag, 318 gsm, satin finish very similar to Ilford Multi Grade Fiber Glossy silver darkroom paper which was my favorite paper for printing negatives.
Great video about the Hahnemuhle paper! Photo Rag Baryta is my all-time favorite despite the price, and I usually use Moab Juniper as a cheaper alternative. 🤣 There is one thing I would like to point out. If you use an ICC profile to print a B&W photo, the printer will use a combination of the CMYK ink to print black. However, if you use the printer's black-and-white mode, the printer will only use its black ink to print, which generally is more neutral to most eyes with no color cast. Also, have you ever looked into customized ICC profiles(more ways to spend money😅)? X-Rite makes these scanners that scan the color patches that your printer prints to create a customized ICC profile for each of your printer-paper combinations. These profiles are great for re-rendering the color you see on your monitor. The generic profiles that the paper manufacturers made are quite inconsistent, even for the printers of the same models.
Another master class video Todd. You should check out and review papers from Red River Paper in Texas. They sell comparable quality papers to the high priced Hannemule (sp) for a better price. Curious to see what you think of their products. Keep up the phenomenal work! Thanks!
Thanks for the great video! For me personally, I find the cotton based photorag baryta papers a little bit difficult because they have a slight warmish/yellowish tint. I much prefer the more neutral looking cellulose based papers (FineArt Baryta Satin or Baryta FB). Don't get me wrong - I like the cotton based papers a lot too depending on what I'm going to print. In my opinion, the image itself or the style of an image suits one paper more than an other. Sometimes the shine of a baryta paper takes away certain aspects of an image where on other images this shine brings an image to live. Sometimes a little bit more texture in the paper helps to bring negative space more in the focus but with other images it takes away or distracts. For me, it would be really hard to say, that there is just one go-to paper.
Can you comment on the scuff resistance of the Baryta Matte paper? When you were sliding the papers around in the stack, did you notice any marks on the matte paper from rubbing of surfaces?
When using B&W mode on the Canon Pro300, most people complain about the blacks and shadows being too blocked up. The reason for this lies in the color tab setting for tone strength, the tone strength is set to “Hard”. While the soft proofing box is checked, choose the different tone strength options to match the desired tonality of the image. Once you figure that out, B&W mode yields superior results for black and white prints.
How do you deal with the curl that Hahnemühle paper can have? I tried printing on 13x19 Photo Rag Matte Baryta, the print quality was amazing, but I got some head strikes on the four corners. I read around that this is a common issue. Have you delt with this, and if so, what's your solution to get this paper flat before you run it through your printer?
My favorite B&W paper is Canson Platine fibre rag 315. Favorite color paper is Red River Ultra ProLuster 300 and Polar Luster Metallic 255. I think the Hanhemuhle is just over priced for what you get in my opinion. I print on a Canon pro300 also.
Well... it's not just thickness, but not just density either. You could have a very dense but very thin paper with low gsm, or a paper of very spaciously woven fibers with some lead thrown in and create a high gsm (ridiculous example I know, but just to show how the balance of density / thickness / specific weight of the materials used, combine to give various possible outcomes). In the end gsm is what it says on the box: weight per amount of surface area, regardless of how you got there (thickness / density / material)
@@dexon555 no, it's simply not. Read up on it. It is what it says: GRAMS PER SQUARE METER. That's all there's to it. Take a piece of paper that's 1x1 meter. Weigh it. Write it down. You're done. Density is one of the factors that contributes to gsm, just like aperture is one of the factors that contributes to exposure. The other factors to gsm are thickness and specific weight of the materials used. Take for example Hahnemühle Photo Rag 308 and Photo Rag 500. Their respective thicknesses are .48mm and .80mm. If gsm were only about density, the thickness wouldn't change, would it now? Diving a bit deeper, the gsm per full mm of thickness - the combined effect of density and specific weight - is 641 for the PR308 and 625 for the PR500. In other words, a cube of 1x1 meter cutouts of these papers that's stacked 1m tall would weigh 641kg for the PR308 and 625kg for the PR500. That's just a 2.5% reduction between these two papers, despite a 62% increase in gsm for the PR500. The coating will have a different specific weight, density and thickness than the paper base, so small differences are to be expected when you increase the thickness of the paper base, as happens in the PR500. But broadly speaking, gsm for what's basically the same product - same basic paper structure and coating - increases fairly linearly with thickness, meaning the density can't have changed much despite the gsm in the PR500 being 62% higher than in the PR308
@@bartjeej Grams per square meter is the definition of measuring density. It's math. It's exactly like grams per cubic centimeter or kilos per cubic meter. All examples of density... not thickness.
@@dexon555 dude... You're (partially) answering your own flaw. You refer to grams per CUBIC cm or kg's per CUBIC meter. Here, we're talking SQUARE meter. One less dimension. Since paper cannot be infinitely thin for a true 2-dimensional measurement, thickness factors in to the gsm, just as density does. And since paper isn't one homogenous material - there's the base layer and various coatings on top - the specific weight of the materials used also factors into it. So, again, you're wrong. Again, look at how PR308 and PR500 have different thicknesses despite being made of the same basic materials. If gsm were density only, the PR500 would be denser but no thicker than the PR308, wouldn't it? If you still disagree, just re-read what I wrote until you get it.
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You’re content is just top level. Please don’t stop, you’re a great communicator. The photographic community is lucky to have you. Cheers.
Thanks for posting this video review Todd...Those of us who watch your content appreciate the effort you put into the content and it's invaluable information.
Fantastic video and commentary. Very informative.
Thank you for the thoughtful, measured, no BS review. Need more content like this.
Thanks! Yes, the new Photo Rag Matt Baryta is stunning. I love it and see this as a new standard for matte papers (beside the Canson Arches 88). Give also a try to the Photo Rag Pearl and the new Bamboo Gloss. Both are outstanding papers in Hahnemühle´s portfolio...
I used to use Hahnemühle paper for printing etchings at art school back in the 1990's- Beautiful paper.
Great video Todd, and hats off to you too for not producing only content that's guaranteed a high click count. I ordered the Hahnemuhle test packs some time ago, and had earmarked the William Turner paper for some big landscapes that I plan to get printed. But your insightful video really did highlight that it's a paper that works wonderfully well for some scenarios, but looks a little incongruous in others. Keep up the great work...
Wonderfully helpful review. Thank you.
Thanks for a great video on the papers. I learned a lot for this comparison. thank you!
Thanks for such an excellent review. I've always been a great fan of Baryta papers. I might need to test the Matte Baryta. I'm so glad it seems to work well for both color and B&W.
A very useful review for me: I always appreciate it when the reviewer gives an honest, “… if I had to pick one, it would be …” I keep considering Hahnemühle papers until I look at the prices and the complex considerations to pick one. Hahnemühle papers are definitely for one’s best shots, and after numerous test prints on quality, but less expensive papers.
Fascinating that the new Matte Baryta works equally well for B+W and Color. Very useful review!
your review of Hahnemühle is very well stated, thanks for the introduction to Hahnemühle Photo Rag Baryta Matte!
Great video! More of these papir-review-videos, please🙏🏼
Thank you Todd
Always re-evaluating paper for what else is out there. Been shooting 12 years and love even more printing for the last 6 years!
Great review and I appreciate the personal opinion because we all have one so why not understand what others like and why?
I will definitely test print the photo tag Matt baryta. Sounds like a great option.
Thank you again
Scott
stunning images, super helpful context - thanks a lot
Wonderful video with great content. Useful info and on point. Thank you 😊
Fantastic description!! Thank you so much. I print some images on Hahnemühle, but now I have a better idea of wich paper to pick.
Just received 3 packages of the Baryta over the last week - wonderful paper! Glad to see your comparisons as well - I'll have to try the matte!
This was very thorough and incredibly helpful. Love seeing practical info and advice on printing - its not talked about nearly enough on RUclips. Like some other commenters I would also love to hear your take on US-based Red River Paper, since its a bit easier to come by in the States.
Maravilloso. 🖼
so helpful, thank you!
Very informative and well produced, thanks. I've been using Museum Etching for few. Gorgeous paper, the texture is not as pronounced as WT, but still add character and it's less intrusive.
Thanks, a good guide
Thanks, Todd; most helpful
Great review Todd! I can see both the gloss and the matte papers in my next paper purchase!
I just picked up a box of the matte baryta in 8-1/2x11. Looking forward to trying it out.
Thank you for this amazing information. Your black and white image is just special. Great work. Looking for printing paper for my Epson ET-8550 and looking at this. Think I start out with the epson papers first. The sample pack every photo paper manufacturers should have.
Great review! I have the Matte Baryta as well and shoot a lot of black and white and I'm pleased with it BUT be aware it seems to curl if you leave it out after printing and you want to close the box when not in use for that reason.
Thank you Todd!
Excellent review which helps me to get orientation in this area of Fine Art Print.
So far I mostly used Canon papers and have been quite happy. But, obviously, there is more ...
And this video helped me and encouraged me to try and find out: how much more is possible?
The Pearl Baryta is excellent as is the Glossy. Mike
Great video, love the look of the new baryta matte paper, definitely had my eye on this for a while but will pick some up soon so I’m glad you analysed it. I absolutely love the William turner though, that texture brings images to life and the way the image embeds in it makes it appear even more painterly, but you’re correct that more bland/less detailed areas of an image do not benefit from it. I would be loved to see a hands on comparison with the Baryta satin paper, from what I’ve read it has the greatest DMax of their papers to really compare the punchy contrast and ability to replicate an edited image on screen.
Very nice review. One additional comment, Epson and Canon do produce 100% cotton papers. I like Epson Platine 100%cotton rag, 318 gsm, satin finish very similar to Ilford Multi Grade Fiber Glossy silver darkroom paper which was my favorite paper for printing negatives.
The truck seems to come out of the William Turner paper. Very unique.
Great video about the Hahnemuhle paper!
Photo Rag Baryta is my all-time favorite despite the price, and I usually use Moab Juniper as a cheaper alternative. 🤣
There is one thing I would like to point out. If you use an ICC profile to print a B&W photo, the printer will use a combination of the CMYK ink to print black.
However, if you use the printer's black-and-white mode, the printer will only use its black ink to print, which generally is more neutral to most eyes with no color cast.
Also, have you ever looked into customized ICC profiles(more ways to spend money😅)?
X-Rite makes these scanners that scan the color patches that your printer prints to create a customized ICC profile for each of your printer-paper combinations.
These profiles are great for re-rendering the color you see on your monitor.
The generic profiles that the paper manufacturers made are quite inconsistent, even for the printers of the same models.
can you do a similar video on canson papers, which i tend to prefer ?
Me to. With that said, I like some RR papers & have never tried hanhemule or Moab but want to.
Another master class video Todd. You should check out and review papers from Red River Paper in Texas. They sell comparable quality papers to the high priced Hannemule (sp) for a better price. Curious to see what you think of their products. Keep up the phenomenal work! Thanks!
Thanks for the great video! For me personally, I find the cotton based photorag baryta papers a little bit difficult because they have a slight warmish/yellowish tint. I much prefer the more neutral looking cellulose based papers (FineArt Baryta Satin or Baryta FB). Don't get me wrong - I like the cotton based papers a lot too depending on what I'm going to print. In my opinion, the image itself or the style of an image suits one paper more than an other. Sometimes the shine of a baryta paper takes away certain aspects of an image where on other images this shine brings an image to live. Sometimes a little bit more texture in the paper helps to bring negative space more in the focus but with other images it takes away or distracts. For me, it would be really hard to say, that there is just one go-to paper.
Todd, What about the Hahnemule Photo Rag Metallic Fine Art?
Can you comment on the scuff resistance of the Baryta Matte paper? When you were sliding the papers around in the stack, did you notice any marks on the matte paper from rubbing of surfaces?
I wish these were available in my country…
When using B&W mode on the Canon Pro300, most people complain about the blacks and shadows being too blocked up. The reason for this lies in the color tab setting for tone strength, the tone strength is set to “Hard”. While the soft proofing box is checked, choose the different tone strength options to match the desired tonality of the image. Once you figure that out, B&W mode yields superior results for black and white prints.
Great vid... but missing out Pearl.. which is an amazing paper for B&W.
Also look at Red River Palo Duro Baryta Fiber 300 (300 gsm) 13.8 mil thickness...wonderful paper and good cost to paper size
How do you deal with the curl that Hahnemühle paper can have? I tried printing on 13x19 Photo Rag Matte Baryta, the print quality was amazing, but I got some head strikes on the four corners. I read around that this is a common issue. Have you delt with this, and if so, what's your solution to get this paper flat before you run it through your printer?
My favorite B&W paper is Canson Platine fibre rag 315. Favorite color paper is Red River Ultra ProLuster 300 and Polar Luster Metallic 255. I think the Hanhemuhle is just over priced for what you get in my opinion. I print on a Canon pro300 also.
Have you tried their Photo Rag Metallic 340 gsm. It's stunning with B&W images
Hahnemühle offers 13x19" sample packs as well as 8 1/2x 11.
All manufacturers have ~300 gms paper
True. Didn’t mean to imply Hahnemuhle was the only one, if that was your impression.
GSM or paper weight is a measure of paper density not thickness.
Well... it's not just thickness, but not just density either. You could have a very dense but very thin paper with low gsm, or a paper of very spaciously woven fibers with some lead thrown in and create a high gsm (ridiculous example I know, but just to show how the balance of density / thickness / specific weight of the materials used, combine to give various possible outcomes). In the end gsm is what it says on the box: weight per amount of surface area, regardless of how you got there (thickness / density / material)
@@bartjeej GSM is a unit of density and MIL is a unit for paper thickness.
@@dexon555 no, it's simply not. Read up on it. It is what it says: GRAMS PER SQUARE METER. That's all there's to it. Take a piece of paper that's 1x1 meter. Weigh it. Write it down. You're done. Density is one of the factors that contributes to gsm, just like aperture is one of the factors that contributes to exposure. The other factors to gsm are thickness and specific weight of the materials used. Take for example Hahnemühle Photo Rag 308 and Photo Rag 500. Their respective thicknesses are .48mm and .80mm. If gsm were only about density, the thickness wouldn't change, would it now?
Diving a bit deeper, the gsm per full mm of thickness - the combined effect of density and specific weight - is 641 for the PR308 and 625 for the PR500. In other words, a cube of 1x1 meter cutouts of these papers that's stacked 1m tall would weigh 641kg for the PR308 and 625kg for the PR500. That's just a 2.5% reduction between these two papers, despite a 62% increase in gsm for the PR500. The coating will have a different specific weight, density and thickness than the paper base, so small differences are to be expected when you increase the thickness of the paper base, as happens in the PR500. But broadly speaking, gsm for what's basically the same product - same basic paper structure and coating - increases fairly linearly with thickness, meaning the density can't have changed much despite the gsm in the PR500 being 62% higher than in the PR308
@@bartjeej Grams per square meter is the definition of measuring density. It's math. It's exactly like grams per cubic centimeter or kilos per cubic meter. All examples of density... not thickness.
@@dexon555 dude... You're (partially) answering your own flaw. You refer to grams per CUBIC cm or kg's per CUBIC meter. Here, we're talking SQUARE meter. One less dimension. Since paper cannot be infinitely thin for a true 2-dimensional measurement, thickness factors in to the gsm, just as density does. And since paper isn't one homogenous material - there's the base layer and various coatings on top - the specific weight of the materials used also factors into it. So, again, you're wrong. Again, look at how PR308 and PR500 have different thicknesses despite being made of the same basic materials. If gsm were density only, the PR500 would be denser but no thicker than the PR308, wouldn't it? If you still disagree, just re-read what I wrote until you get it.