Can’t believe Dr. Buss was actually my professor at university a few years ago. One day in class he asked us a question about why the lifespan of men is 5 years shorter on average than women. I raised my hand and said “because we have to live with women”. He laughed for a solid minute
Guys, this man has 300 published papers, basically created evolutionary psychology and talked to Skinner when he was still alive, for anyone wandering how much a big of a deal this is at least 40% of the graduate psychologists become adept of the theory that skinner proposed, or the theory’s that came along based on his work. This man is pure gold. Thank you Jordan for allowing us to listen to you guys, it’s a honor
@@jesse75 the conversation is not about god in any level, even if personality, or the essence, if you preferrer, is of concern, the possibility of god is still possible anyways
@@damistenis9363 while in college, I looked at both sides of an issue. Are we a fluke/astroid spit or divine. Usually Jordan Peterson is on a high level of understanding. Note how he would try to inject his own comments. But he was more a backslapper than his typical contentious attitude to get to truth. And I was suspicious of it. I thought this topic would be informative, but in my observation David Buss has a generalized understanding and not that impressive. Impressed is not that good of a descriptive word, how about empty or lacking. Possibly because the conversation/discussion is from the evolutionary angle only ? One sided ? In psychology class, Skinner is heavily referenced, as I remember. But his works are not the rest of the story, but does lay ground work in the subject. I just found Buss comments boring and empty. Maybe because I have answered these questions already. Or heard them resonate in my thoughts over and over. Or have experienced them. My wife was born in a jungle, I've learned many things from her.
I'm glad to see that Jordan Peterson has found people who will allow him to 'think' express and explore. Intellectual "ball play" with his peers, gladdens my heart. Evidently blows MY brain cells, listening and learning.
Before one asks him a question one must know how to FORMULATE a question. His grasp on expression through the English language is phenomenal. Because there’s so few words to work with. No pictures for us as in history.
I think more or less people who want to be on as guests also have such high levels of respect for Jordan they genuinely want to have a discussion with him and hear his side. And while understanding they’re the guest, he’s the host obviously and there’s that element of respect and manners
Just smashed with humility for my modern day privilege. Just a blue collar grinder with no formal education, being able to be the 'fly on the wall' listening to these two. So intensely grateful.
Most men today will be invisible to women. The hottest and smartest richest men sleep with all the women. And the blue collar "nice" guy will be ignored or end up as the ATM machine for the woman's illegitimate children she had with DiCaprio and other hot males in society.
Despite what the other commenter Slay Bae being mostly true, you can avoid the fate of being the walking ATM machine by learning social skills AKA Game. In general, female mating strategy has a duality where they will chase resources but also the excitement of the bad boy archetype. Many rich men will not understand this and be shocked when a woman cheats on them with a broke bum because they were bored. In essence, you can learn how to express the same confidence and traits of bad boys while remaining smart enough to stay out of jail and still stack up your money so that you fulfill both halves of the female desire at the same time. Unfortunately, this is a difficult path that involves reprogramming what most people think they know about dating in a way that many find offensive. Society trains people to think that anything that shifts the relationship power balance in favor of men is inherently "predatory" without considering that most men just want to give women what they want so they don't die alone.
@@maskedbadass6802 no intelligent women want a bad boy, that is only among naive, damaged, vulnerable women. A woman with common sense will love to be with a guy is there for her and women also have learnt the game because I can't understand how a low effort dude is supposed to be something to aspire. I don't care what you think, P costs and D is for free. Women are the ultimate gate keepers in love and in relationships. Surrender to that
@@marte1376 Saying "no intelligent women want a bad boy" is like saying "no intelligent men want women with pretty faces and curves without being overweight."
It makes complete sense to view human behaviour through an evolutionary lens. So it is not surprising that we find this discussion so profound. If only the masses were attuned to such a perspective.
Big talk but it all a distraction why is the Nuremberg code being broken but no one is talking about it oh wait you say they haven't broke it but the definition of the code is that no drug or medical procedure can be forced without there consent of the patient and to not be forced on someone but no jab no job is exactly that people of God speak up say something do what's right they can't hide this forever
@@ajb7786 I'm not idolizing them, it's just that JBP has always talked Abt ideas to do with David Buss from day one, it was a big deal to finally see them together... A simple e.g is seeing JBP with Curl Jung
I could listen to Peterson talk for hours especially if his guest is knowledgable and interesting as David Buss. Peterson's last appearance on Joe Rogan's show was like 4 hours with nary a dull moment!
@@jzen1455 Same here.. JBP literally started a mental revolution on my end when I realised interesting things can be read about, listened to, and investigated..
@@jzen1455 Where can I get that last Joe Rogan interview w/ Peterson (w/out a membership). I would have thought it would be released after a few weeks, or months, tops. I don't think even Peterson has that interview on his channel yet. Generally, the person interviewed puts that on his own channel at some point.
This is a really good conversation and it's 100% true. Right now, I'm almost 25 years old. In the last 5 years I've had an above average success level with women. But all the way up until 20 years old I thought that being "nice" would get you a girlfriend or attraction from women. Once I accepted that I had to become better, this changed everything. I say this as an encouragement to other men because this is something you can change by lifting weights, getting smarter, gaining confidence, and making money. Once you accept that women are attracted to certain characteristics it becomes very liberating. Don't get mad at what the truth it, your life will be 100x better by accepting reality.
Drew, I understand what you've done and admire your initiative. However, there's a devastating disaster awaiting you if you let the wrong woman choose you. In your twenties you make yourself appealing to women, get married and have kids. You take on the financial responsibility of a mortgage, car payments, credit cards and life seems great. You're a good dad doing everything you thought you should. Then you reach age 50 and start to notice a distance between yourself and your wife - the intimate closeness and friendship you once had has dwindled and been replaced by contempt. One day your wife blindsides you with an affair or divorce papers and your world is turned upside down. You wonder what you did wrong but the truth is that you're simply of little value any more - you're just a servant with a paycheck. You lose your kids and your house, have to pay alimony and child support and the legal system is against you. You can't concentrate because you've got the equivalent of PTSD. This scenario can play out in different ways for both good men and women but the end result is still devastation. The important thing is to be very careful in choosing a life partner. Spend time watching RUclips video series by Dr. Ramani and Dr. Carter (among others) about keeping away from narcissists. Best of luck!
Dude, are you me? Haha I remember being such an incel at high school and then kinda getting it together between like 20-25, and then 25-28 doing quite well before settling down. There is hope out there for you my young brothers! Work on yourself and leave your positive mark on the world!
@@julissadeleon3710 That’s women’s lot in life. On the other hand, women are blessed with alot of privilege from puberty until let’s say 30 without having to lift a finger. For most men to be at all sexually desirable, it takes hard work and sacrifice.
I'm a little disappointed Jordan laughed off the notion of smashing down the patriarchy by choosing lower ranking men, sounds like he was onto something there.
@@Illlium Yes, I agree. To be honest I feel like this is what is going on with a lot of high status women choosing younger men, psychologically still boys, as partners. The women get to stay high status and be dominant in the relationship, whilst the boys get to never grow up. Usually the boys are successful in a charming dark triad sort of immature way, but not really competent in a masterful way. One can also see it as a romantic repetition of the Oedipal conspiracy between Queen mother and son.
I appreciate that the two gentlemen kept the language somewhat simple and understandable for an audience that isn't intimately familiar with all the technical terms they would probably use in a private conversation.
He's back and better than ever! I was worried he was dead or near dying when he was in Russia undergoing treatment for addiction. I'm glad he overcame that and has risen above higher than he ever was!
His hatred and bitterness keeps his body moving. If he ever finds peace of mind it will be the death of him. I hope he keeps his hatred and bitterness ragging for years to come, he's such a blessing to humanity.
Competence in the hiearchy or competence in something you apply yourself in? I know a lot of brilliant engineers that cant get laid but they live extremely comfortable lives.
@@dbix11 well, I suppose that "competence" also accounts for social skills. Females would probably prefer a male who can provide for the offspring both materialy and also emotionaly, meaning that there is more to parenting than providing food and shelter - teaching how to deal with emotions, with other people, skills and how to think and aquire new knowledge. Add to that, the want for companionship within a relationship and sexual satisfaction, which are a more recent development (especially de second one), will make it so that more factors will be taken into account for the measurement of "competence". That's just my take on it.
@@dbix11 You're just missing the fact that there are multiple competence hierarchies. The unattractive college professior is higher in the university competence hierarchy than any of their students but they may not be in a higher place in the competence hierarchy at the singles bar.
It actually took me rather 3.5 hours to listen to this conversation - every few minutes I stopped, thinking "wait, this thought is worth thinking about on my own" 😅 Really, when you take your time such conversations actually can make you wiser, not only smarter. I sometimes disagree with Dr. Peterson, but when he focuses exclusively on his area of expertise I always learn a lot. Really appreciate this channel, thank you Dr. Peterson!
I think part of what makes this episode do spectacular, is how civil the discourse is. These guys both know quite a lot about each topic that they covered, yet every topic seems to start with one of them asking, “I’d like to know what you think about ___.” What an amazing starting point that is for any discussion. I’m sure I don’t know a tenth as much as either these guys, and they still have the humility and inquisitiveness to sincerely want to know what the other expert thinks. Amazing.
But to take your point a step further, compare this civilized discussion where 2 men are respectful towards one another, exchanging ideas for nearly 2 hrs and now, imagine how this would have gone over if you had a woman or two involved... You would see the women talking over one another, bringing their feelings into what's meant to be a rational, objective conversation about generalities where at least one woman would take something said by one of the men personally and the men starting to feel they can no longer speak freely etc etcetera 😁
@@theprodigy4202 Let me know what you think of this: I see it more as a technique for discussion and indeed arguing; rather then something specific to a gender. Probably anyone can learn this technique. I seem to remember that JBP talks about some of these techniques in his Psychology lectures. It might be in the lecture on Karl Rogers, though I might be confusing it. It was something like, summarize the position of the person whom you are arguing, and summarize it to that person’s satisfaction before proceeding any further.
If the Psychology Profs I had were this interesting I probably would have stuck to that field. My gosh the potential for future research seems limitless.
You two are the reason I quit a PhD in biochemical engineering and retrained as a psychologist. Can't wait to listen to this. Edit: every second had me hooked. Thank you both for everything!
These men follow their curiosity without fear or prejudice. The fact that they are attacked by social engineers is proof that they follow the scientific methods and procedures. It is enlightening and fascinating to listen to them spit ball ideas as well as extrapolate findings. We are all elevated by their curiosity and reasoning.
One of my favorite discussions yet, Dr. Peterson; that's a tall order. I have listened to an overwhelming number of your talks, all of which have been of quality.
What a pleasant surprise, every man should read The Evolution of Desire by David Buss. Great read! It makes you think from a a completely different perspective.
Incredible. Thank you Dr Peterson and Dr Buss, beautiful talk. I can't believe we can freely listen to conversations of this intellectual depth. Truly we live in a wondrous world.
This episode gave me life. I’ve studied some of Mr. Buss’s work for my thesis about Mating Intelligence and its correlation with the Dark Triad and Character Strengths, and i was so amazed by it, now seeing him have such an enlightening conversation with my favorite human being on earth Dr. Peterson just makes me grateful to live at this point in time where I can listen to both of them for free on a podcast in youtube knowing that this two brilliant minds are still alive and can keep doing research and keep enlightening humanity with their knowledge.
Dr. Peterson, this is so good. Thank you for your commitment to educating people via youtube after what you went through physically and professionally. As a fellow PhD and college Psychology instructor, your contributions are ALWAYS appreciated.
High status being defined by position allotted to the guy who provides the most benefit is spot on. Caesar was very generous and merciful and he fought alongside his soldiers.
Fascinating mind of Dr. Peterson. Love his work and who he interviews. Thoughtful and provocative discussions of rigorous science, exposing all of our flaws. Great place to visit to reset the mind and reframe our beliefs.
Being able to access these brilliant human beings is such a blessing. My life grows through the wisdom of others, and it makes me hungry for more. All topics! Dr. Peterson your public path might sting in a few areas….i am grateful for you.
I took a course taught by Dr. Buss at the University of Texas Austin. Super insightful lectures, and I’m grateful for his work. It’s been years since I took his course, and I’ve noticed most of his findings seem to be accurate. Thank you for your contributions, Dr. Buss!
This is a podcast I've wanted to see for nearly four years! David Buss is where I began to learn about evolutionary psychology, long ago. 15 minutes in, and so far it's everything I hoped it would be.
Dr. Peterson and Dr. Buss were like two kids in high school who couldn’t come off the phone lol. Fantastic discussion just laying out the facts and science. Would love to see the two of you come together to talk about these issues more
Thanks 🙏 Dr Peterson for widely spread the message. Love to hear guidance even in my 45 years old... Wish you health and love to your family... @CMartinSalomon from Argentina. Following you. Since 2017...
With regards to the argument at 33:55 - giving the bigger share to the less prolific hunter also proves to others that you're SO good at acquiring resources that you have the self confidence to be able to repeat your performance without detrimental effects to yourself. A double whammy of showing and confirming your competence.
This is great! I feel JBP is at his best when discussing psychology with his peers. I wish he did more of this rather than playing an expert in very imaginable field (politics, climate science, economy, history etc).
MongrelKi... I don't see JBP as being an expert in other fields. He has many good insights about them. Reads a great deal. And is asked a lot of questions about other fields. Most of us who read a lot have similar insights while not claiming to be experts. Just as you do. If we waited to be experts, our knowledge would dry up. And nowadays, esp in Academia, the experts are often corrupt.
I've listened to David Buss on 3 podcasts: this one, Lex Fridman and Andrew Huberman This one is by far the best: Highly engaging, informative and challenging. ❤❤❤
Having spent many years living in a small rural village in Greece on of the things I learnt was what I came to understand as ‘moral economy’ and status derived from that. My experience directed me to find anthropologist who had studied the area I lived in... surprisingly few as I found. But my thoughts very much align with much of what is being said here. Thank you both .
Great conversation, and compliments to Jordan for showing increasing restraint in his interviews (made more difficult with web-based conversation) -- he has mentioned that he has tried to take a more curious and question-based role in his interviews (particularly with his latest Sam Harris conversation). Sometimes his inspired thoughts get in the way of the flow of the guest, and he has been much more sensitive lately to the transitions. 👏
Comparing myself to Jordan ( a bit of a stretch...hear me out ), I often still make the mistake of interrupting another when in teacher-mode. It is the joy of sharing reflections and principles and revelations that ring of Truth, yet...it can absolutely short-circuit the receiver's thought-process and "train of thought." Not exactly the best method in teaching. At the same time, I take risks to interrupt when a concept hasn't been clarified or my conversational partner just stated something that doesn't make sense to me as of yet. Not to be a hypocrite, I respect your point and affirmation to Jordan in how he's been working on it, because there have been times over the years where I thought he derailed a deeper connection and exchange through his excitement to share something important or sheer openness. It's good he's working on that. I'll do the same! 🥸
I think that's because he thinks in what I've come to call rational lateralisms where in a conversation with someone he's so intellectually stimulated his thought processes automatically latreralise the idea and lead to others ideas in and around the core of the original conversation context
@@machtnichtsseimann Just a short reply to note what you said in your first line, "while in teacher mode", I think that's what Jordan has noted when he said he wanted better conversations -- he wants to *learn* from his guests and not wrestle with their logic as much. Of course there is room for interruption when in casual creative conversation or to clarify understanding.
@@mattapusswreks7741 I agree with your conclusion and it's common for many -- another expression is "tangential thinking", "orthogonal thinking" or even "systems thinking" -- a familiar response for creative or open types (myself being one). It's not inherently bad but it can be a bad habit when it blocks another from fully developing an idea (particularly a guest on a video call where its not in a natural setting), and especially if they are more cogitative and need to formulate their thoughts into words slowly. But in this context, Jordan understands specifically that he is sometimes derailing the guest from fully expounding their thoughts or beliefs and has consciously chosen to take the position of humility and curiosity to create a much more productive conversation. Not to mention the whole premise of the "socratic method" where questioning is the root approach of reaching higher understanding.
What a big pleasure having the change to experience a long and rich psychology conversation between two of the most prestigious and intelligent psychologists nowadays.
It's really nice seeing the excitement from JP at having the opportunity to ask a question that has been bugging him for a long time, to a person that may well have some insight on the matter.
This is my first podcast watching Dr. Peterson and I am new to Dr. Buss. I have heard of Peterson prior but haven’t listened. Very glad I gave this one a shot because I foresee myself watching more. Great quality of conversation, topic choice, and overall respect and energy. Definitely a whole new level of thinking and learning. Wow.
That was absolutely fascinating. I've had some conversations with woman about how their eye sight is slightly different when it comes to color theory. How their eyes have more of the cells that detect pigment changes (presumably to monitor infant health) and men's have more of the cells that detect movement (for defending against predators). My wife actually sees more colours then I do. I suspect this directly relates to aggression styles. Woman can more easily see changes in complexion and now how their character attacks are affecting others as where men see the physical movement more adeptly so they physically display aggression.
I read Dr David Buss' Evolutionary Psychology back in 2015. I always felt like the things Jordan Peterson talked about reminded of Evolutionary Psychology. This is was great discussion to have on RUclips for everyone to see.
Around 1:38:00 Dr. Peterson says it's well known women are better at decoding non-verbal behavior than men, then Dr. Buss asks him if that's what his INTUITION tells him, and JP says yes. Shortly thereafter DB introduces the idea of MIND-READING abilities. I think that would be a very valuable topic for serious research. Seems to me like it's all a graduated continuum (aren't all other shared traits?) of INTUITION and at the same time there's no reason to believe a man cannot develop an extremely accurate intuition. Women do not own the rights to it even though they may have more needs evolutionary-wise than men because they are the baby-carriers and nurturers. Gentlemen, this has been the most amazing discussion I've ever encountered and have had the great honor and pleasure to observe. Thank you both for the superb work. The world needs more psychological scientists like yourselves.
I am so grateful for the possibility to listen to the people with knowledge and experience, true experts of their field and especially in the format of intelligent conversation with JBP. It’s priceless. Thank you!
Dr. Peterson, from the bottom of my heart… thank you so very much for documenting these topics with such wise and broad minds. For my children thank you.
On death anxiety: I've experienced several life threatening health traumas over the past 20 years. During the latest, a cardiologist questioned me, saying that he felt I wasn't taking my heart issue seriously enough, presumably because I was very calm and positive about the situation. This led to a discussion of my belief (as a result of my previous experiences) that if I died, it would be wonderful; if I lived, it would be wonderful. He was truly puzzled. I'm alive and they call me their miracle patient. I would not have come to this belief without the previous life threatening issues. Although none of these health challenges were 'risk taking' per se, I wonder if trying to find that 'peace' in life, isn't part of the risk taking drive and may in fact be a strategy to ease 'death anxiety'?.
23:50 BAM ! Don't need a PHD to know this basic fact. Fathers knows best about the dangers their teenage girls are exposed to. JP thanks for keeping doing education with young men. And thanks for inviting Dr Buss. Lex Friedman also interviewed him. Great podcast
David Buss, I did not know much of you before but I think the work you are doing is fascinating and I look forward to checking out your book. Also, I do hope you return to the podcast soon as listening to you and Jordan together made for enjoyable and enlightening discussion. Jordan, as always it is a delight listening to you. You continue to challenge me and educate me. For that I am deeply grateful. 💛
I'm sitting on my porch, listening to this while finishing up a project for a client on my laptop and keeping an eye on my two youngest kids who are enjoying the unseasonably pleasant weather we're having today. My husband is currently fixing my car in the driveway. It was making this clanky metal sound whenever I drove over bumps in the road and he figured out that my struts were bad or something like that. All in all, this is a pretty typical weekend for my family... I try and get some things done while making sure our kids don't get into too much trouble and my husband fixes things and builds sh*t lol. My husband and I have been together for 15 years and married for 13 years. I love him more every day. I still want to jump on him at every opportunity lol. If I haven't gotten enough of at this point, I probably never will and that's a good thing. I love the feeling of never being able to get enough of him. It keeps me on my toes. None of that would be true if my husband wasn't the kind of man he is. If he didn't possess a stoic, grounded personality. If he wasn't a hard and competent worker. If he wasn't a successful and reliable provider. If he wasn't physically and emotionally strong. Etc. If he'd followed the path many guys follow these days and spent his time playing video games, watching porn and whining on social media, I wouldn't have gotten with him in the first place and we sure as hell wouldn't have gotten to where we are now.
Love this. Your guy is hard to find and it’s good to hear relationships like this actually do exist. I feel envy but at the same time so happy for you. I failed miserably.
Hopefully Dr. Buss returns to the podcast to speak about his findings in evolutionary psychology on love and it's adaptations on humans, definitely will buy his books. Great episode!
I'll be keeping track of David Buss now. This was one of the MOST fascinating talks I've ever heard -- period. I'm actually still watching this on a different device :)
Please consider making the chapter on women's attraction to the Dark Triad a stand-alone videoclip - it is really helpful, potentially life-changing, for young women to know about these findings.
I’m in the intro 2:24 and scouring the comments for spoilers. 9/12 comments are people saying “I relate” but you’re one of the few that clued me in. Thank you. Let’s get married.
13:30 Jordan, I remember reading somewhere that a study was done on a dating site where they used the same photos for the male but gave him 4 I think different back stories. One was average guy doing an average but good job, one unemployed, one self made successful and one lottery winner. The self made businessman always got the most likes and proposals even over the lottery winner in fact the lottery winner was always third behind the average guy with a decent job.
My brain is tingling. EXTRAORDINARY conversation! I loved every delicious moment of it. I consider the questions asked that could not be decided upon and they're so provocative to furthering the discussion that I'll likely still be thinking about them for years. Thank you both for letting us be involved in this talk!
Jordan, thank you for pushing David on the monogamy as optimal point. I think it is imperative that scientists do try to contextualise thier research findings into an ‘all things considered’ understanding and I certainly believe you have come to a very sensible conclusion that indeed it is an optimal mating strategy in our modern environment with the current population size and resource distribution etc. I think we need more courageous scientists and thinkers like you who are willing to contextualise findings within the wider topic of how do we live a good life as modern humans even if they might be wrong, we have to at least try. Perhaps more scary for scientists who haven’t ventured out of thier own field but we need more cross-disciplinary thinking if we are to come up with effective solutions to our modern problems. Thank you for this wonderful conversation!
This totally explains some things I experienced as a young girl. I hated the subtle hidden women/girls hierarchies. Never obvious, never transparent. I always preferred male friends, although the problem was the female attraction they could feel. I always worked in mostly male environments (computer science, IT) and was quite happy there, only once worked in a place where the boss was female as well as many coworkers, and I hated that job, all the gossip and subtle messages of dislike or envy. Maybe because I had male siblings and a strong father figure, I was more comfortable with their psychology. Anyway, I am a woman and can't escape my biological traits!
My mum who became a c commissioned officer in WW2 & commanded mixed gender transport units (very unusual in England in 1943) always said she far preferred working with men not women because of the intrigue!
I spent a couple of years as a female OTR trucker. I absolutely loved it but impossible to "fit in." And forget about finding a meaningful relationship.
I’m putting it out there for the universe to manifest… One day, I’ll have an intellectual conversation like this with Dr. Peterson. The first time I heard him speak, I knew I missed my purpose. At 40, I re-enrolled in college to pursue my academic interests and shift careers. Best decision I’ve ever made!! Looking forward to seeing what kind of dent I can make…
I feel better knowing you, and so many others are out there grinding, bettering themselves and by proxy bettering everyone else, reaching far and wide. Keep going your direction sir, and I will go mine. Our each individual impact will meet somewhere, as two tiny ripples we'll never see.▪️▫️Cheers.
I love the classic music in the beginning of every podcast. That conversation was.... So insightful. Thank you both for allowing others to listen to brilliant work. I got this feeling of being speachless and happy at the same time. Like being home alone after a stressful day. 😊 🇳🇴
There are so many cruel truths in the world and only a small percentage can really handle and process those truths without spiraling into extreme anxiety or depression over it , at least that is how it seems to me. Especially the latest generation seems to be overly fragile, mentally and they can not cope with the simplest truths about life or death. Thank you for discussing all these topics, you give me a lot to think on.
Wow. So pleased I stumbled across this discussion between you two unassuming, humble experts. Absolutely fascinating observations. I was absolutely hooked on every word. It was a real antidote to the well-meaning onslaught of Woke propaganda that we all seem excessively subjected too of late. Thank you for sharing this.
Compassion, kindness, and selflessness are the highest masculine qualities that actually work in loving relationships, not obsession with violence and hierarchy for the sake of ego. Ultimately character is what stands the test of time and what is actually remembered & admired.
Can’t believe Dr. Buss was actually my professor at university a few years ago. One day in class he asked us a question about why the lifespan of men is 5 years shorter on average than women. I raised my hand and said “because we have to live with women”. He laughed for a solid minute
Lol they don't realize they can literally nag a man to check out early to make it stop
Wow. What a treat of an experience that must’ve been. I paid about $200 to watch him speak in person
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I don't believe you, sorry!!
Guys, this man has 300 published papers, basically created evolutionary psychology and talked to Skinner when he was still alive, for anyone wandering how much a big of a deal this is at least 40% of the graduate psychologists become adept of the theory that skinner proposed, or the theory’s that came along based on his work. This man is pure gold. Thank you Jordan for allowing us to listen to you guys, it’s a honor
Jep, the legendary skinner box, wish i had smart conversation like this. Felt like 35min.
What if God exists ? Then he's wrong on many things.
@@jesse75 the conversation is not about god in any level, even if personality, or the essence, if you preferrer, is of concern, the possibility of god is still possible anyways
@@jesse75 if it really exists, it probably doesn't care about what's true nd what's wrong
@@damistenis9363 while in college, I looked at both sides of an issue. Are we a fluke/astroid spit or divine.
Usually Jordan Peterson is on a high level of understanding. Note how he would try to inject his own comments. But he was more a backslapper than his typical contentious attitude to get to truth. And I was suspicious of it.
I thought this topic would be informative, but in my observation David Buss has a generalized understanding and not that impressive. Impressed is not that good of a descriptive word, how about empty or lacking. Possibly because the conversation/discussion is from the evolutionary angle only ? One sided ?
In psychology class, Skinner is heavily referenced, as I remember. But his works are not the rest of the story, but does lay ground work in the subject.
I just found Buss comments boring and empty.
Maybe because I have answered these questions already. Or heard them resonate in my thoughts over and over.
Or have experienced them. My wife was born in a jungle, I've learned many things from her.
I'm glad to see that Jordan Peterson has found people who will allow him to 'think' express and explore. Intellectual "ball play" with his peers, gladdens my heart. Evidently blows MY brain cells, listening and learning.
Before one asks him a question one must know how to FORMULATE a question. His grasp on expression through the English language is phenomenal. Because there’s so few words to work with. No pictures for us as in history.
I wish my peers would play with my balls...
Thats like a self high fi buddy
I think more or less people who want to be on as guests also have such high levels of respect for Jordan they genuinely want to have a discussion with him and hear his side. And while understanding they’re the guest, he’s the host obviously and there’s that element of respect and manners
The guy doesn't even admit basic truths like the 3.7 point gender lQ gap. He's an academic clown
Just smashed with humility for my modern day privilege. Just a blue collar grinder with no formal education, being able to be the 'fly on the wall' listening to these two. So intensely grateful.
Most men today will be invisible to women. The hottest and smartest richest men sleep with all the women. And the blue collar "nice" guy will be ignored or end up as the ATM machine for the woman's illegitimate children she had with DiCaprio and other hot males in society.
Despite what the other commenter Slay Bae being mostly true, you can avoid the fate of being the walking ATM machine by learning social skills AKA Game. In general, female mating strategy has a duality where they will chase resources but also the excitement of the bad boy archetype. Many rich men will not understand this and be shocked when a woman cheats on them with a broke bum because they were bored. In essence, you can learn how to express the same confidence and traits of bad boys while remaining smart enough to stay out of jail and still stack up your money so that you fulfill both halves of the female desire at the same time. Unfortunately, this is a difficult path that involves reprogramming what most people think they know about dating in a way that many find offensive. Society trains people to think that anything that shifts the relationship power balance in favor of men is inherently "predatory" without considering that most men just want to give women what they want so they don't die alone.
@@maskedbadass6802 no intelligent women want a bad boy, that is only among naive, damaged, vulnerable women. A woman with common sense will love to be with a guy is there for her and women also have learnt the game because I can't understand how a low effort dude is supposed to be something to aspire. I don't care what you think, P costs and D is for free. Women are the ultimate gate keepers in love and in relationships. Surrender to that
@@marte1376 Saying "no intelligent women want a bad boy" is like saying "no intelligent men want women with pretty faces and curves without being overweight."
Seeking knowledge and better understanding is what matters. Doesn't have to be formal education, just the desire to seek it in all forms available.
Jordan Peterson + David Buss = incredible discussion. I literally can"t believe it
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BELIEVE IT
It makes complete sense to view human behaviour through an evolutionary lens. So it is not surprising that we find this discussion so profound. If only the masses were attuned to such a perspective.
Big talk but it all a distraction why is the Nuremberg code being broken but no one is talking about it oh wait you say they haven't broke it but the definition of the code is that no drug or medical procedure can be forced without there consent of the patient and to not be forced on someone but no jab no job is exactly that people of God speak up say something do what's right they can't hide this forever
@@ajb7786 I'm not idolizing them, it's just that JBP has always talked Abt ideas to do with David Buss from day one, it was a big deal to finally see them together... A simple e.g is seeing JBP with Curl Jung
The quality of this conversation is beyond what i thought is possible on youtube. Two brillant minds at work!
This is soo interesting, I'm almost annoyed this talk was so short. 8-10 hours would be perfectly acceptable.. not joking
100%
I could listen to Peterson talk for hours especially if his guest is knowledgable and interesting as David Buss. Peterson's last appearance on Joe Rogan's show was like 4 hours with nary a dull moment!
@@jzen1455 Same here.. JBP literally started a mental revolution on my end when I realised interesting things can be read about, listened to, and investigated..
The longer the talk, the bigger chance of the mating success.
@@jzen1455 Where can I get that last Joe Rogan interview w/ Peterson (w/out a membership). I would have thought it would be released after a few weeks, or months, tops. I don't think even Peterson has that interview on his channel yet. Generally, the person interviewed puts that on his own channel at some point.
This is a really good conversation and it's 100% true. Right now, I'm almost 25 years old. In the last 5 years I've had an above average success level with women. But all the way up until 20 years old I thought that being "nice" would get you a girlfriend or attraction from women. Once I accepted that I had to become better, this changed everything. I say this as an encouragement to other men because this is something you can change by lifting weights, getting smarter, gaining confidence, and making money. Once you accept that women are attracted to certain characteristics it becomes very liberating. Don't get mad at what the truth it, your life will be 100x better by accepting reality.
There is also such a lack of masculinity in our culture that even a little bit of work will put you WAY above average.
Drew, I understand what you've done and admire your initiative. However, there's a devastating disaster awaiting you if you let the wrong woman choose you.
In your twenties you make yourself appealing to women, get married and have kids. You take on the financial responsibility of a mortgage, car payments, credit cards and life seems great. You're a good dad doing everything you thought you should. Then you reach age 50 and start to notice a distance between yourself and your wife - the intimate closeness and friendship you once had has dwindled and been replaced by contempt.
One day your wife blindsides you with an affair or divorce papers and your world is turned upside down. You wonder what you did wrong but the truth is that you're simply of little value any more - you're just a servant with a paycheck. You lose your kids and your house, have to pay alimony and child support and the legal system is against you. You can't concentrate because you've got the equivalent of PTSD.
This scenario can play out in different ways for both good men and women but the end result is still devastation. The important thing is to be very careful in choosing a life partner. Spend time watching RUclips video series by Dr. Ramani and Dr. Carter (among others) about keeping away from narcissists. Best of luck!
Imagine what is like for women when what makes you valuable..you have no control over. Age and beauty… best of luck to you.
Dude, are you me? Haha
I remember being such an incel at high school and then kinda getting it together between like 20-25, and then 25-28 doing quite well before settling down.
There is hope out there for you my young brothers! Work on yourself and leave your positive mark on the world!
@@julissadeleon3710 That’s women’s lot in life. On the other hand, women are blessed with alot of privilege from puberty until let’s say 30 without having to lift a finger. For most men to be at all sexually desirable, it takes hard work and sacrifice.
Jordan, this is one of the most badass conversations you’ve had on your channel in a while. Thanks so much
Probably my favorite episode. They really feed well off each other. Super interesting and engaging
They really did feed off each other. This was a particularly enjoyable conversation.
I'm a little disappointed Jordan laughed off the notion of smashing down the patriarchy by choosing lower ranking men, sounds like he was onto something there.
@@Illlium Yes, I agree. To be honest I feel like this is what is going on with a lot of high status women choosing younger men, psychologically still boys, as partners. The women get to stay high status and be dominant in the relationship, whilst the boys get to never grow up. Usually the boys are successful in a charming dark triad sort of immature way, but not really competent in a masterful way. One can also see it as a romantic repetition of the Oedipal conspiracy between Queen mother and son.
So 'badass' he can't even admit to basic truths like the 3.7 points gender lQ gap
This was a wonderful discussion, truly an intellectual dance. I hope Dr. Buss returns to the podcast to enlighten us.
The whole podcast felt like it was 30 minutes in total. It definitely deserves a sequel.
Yessss
I appreciate that the two gentlemen kept the language somewhat simple and understandable for an audience that isn't intimately familiar with all the technical terms they would probably use in a private conversation.
It’s beautiful to see Dr. Peterson get healthier with time. The sternness in his eyes and voice 🙌🏾
He's back and better than ever! I was worried he was dead or near dying when he was in Russia undergoing treatment for addiction. I'm glad he overcame that and has risen above higher than he ever was!
His hatred and bitterness keeps his body moving. If he ever finds peace of mind it will be the death of him. I hope he keeps his hatred and bitterness ragging for years to come, he's such a blessing to humanity.
@@poemanderpoemander3007 I hope you find joy and love in your life. You seem to need more of it.
@@robot9071 your statement is enlightened and passive aggressive. Good boy.
@@poemanderpoemander3007 Repent.
"Competence Hierarchy". I love the re-framing of that, much deeper than mere "dominance". An extraordinary episode. Thank you.
Competence in the hiearchy or competence in something you apply yourself in? I know a lot of brilliant engineers that cant get laid but they live extremely comfortable lives.
@@dbix11 well, I suppose that "competence" also accounts for social skills. Females would probably prefer a male who can provide for the offspring both materialy and also emotionaly, meaning that there is more to parenting than providing food and shelter - teaching how to deal with emotions, with other people, skills and how to think and aquire new knowledge. Add to that, the want for companionship within a relationship and sexual satisfaction, which are a more recent development (especially de second one), will make it so that more factors will be taken into account for the measurement of "competence".
That's just my take on it.
@@dbix11 Overall competence
@@dbix11 You're just missing the fact that there are multiple competence hierarchies. The unattractive college professior is higher in the university competence hierarchy than any of their students but they may not be in a higher place in the competence hierarchy at the singles bar.
It is indeed an extraordinary one. Thanks from me also.
Dr. David Buss is soo humble he’s such a breath of fresh air
He's like most intellects, he talks too much. What he has to say is valuable, but he should still stop and listen too.
@@gregorysagegreene Fools talk too much, professors are not exactly gossiping, especially in lectures.
@@gregorysagegreene He's giving people value for money, I'm not fussed about a professor talking, it's what they do.
It actually took me rather 3.5 hours to listen to this conversation - every few minutes I stopped, thinking "wait, this thought is worth thinking about on my own" 😅
Really, when you take your time such conversations actually can make you wiser, not only smarter.
I sometimes disagree with Dr. Peterson, but when he focuses exclusively on his area of expertise I always learn a lot.
Really appreciate this channel, thank you Dr. Peterson!
I think part of what makes this episode do spectacular, is how civil the discourse is. These guys both know quite a lot about each topic that they covered, yet every topic seems to start with one of them asking, “I’d like to know what you think about ___.”
What an amazing starting point that is for any discussion. I’m sure I don’t know a tenth as much as either these guys, and they still have the humility and inquisitiveness to sincerely want to know what the other expert thinks. Amazing.
Great point! If we all learned just that one habit, the world might be a better place.
But to take your point a step further, compare this civilized discussion where 2 men are respectful towards one another, exchanging ideas for nearly 2 hrs and now, imagine how this would have gone over if you had a woman or two involved...
You would see the women talking over one another, bringing their feelings into what's meant to be a rational, objective conversation about generalities where at least one woman would take something said by one of the men personally and the men starting to feel they can no longer speak freely etc etcetera 😁
@@theprodigy4202 Let me know what you think of this: I see it more as a technique for discussion and indeed arguing; rather then something specific to a gender. Probably anyone can learn this technique.
I seem to remember that JBP talks about some of these techniques in his Psychology lectures. It might be in the lecture on Karl Rogers, though I might be confusing it. It was something like, summarize the position of the person whom you are arguing, and summarize it to that person’s satisfaction before proceeding any further.
@@jamesdenis8058
Good memory. Indeed, it is in a Rogers lecture (10th lecture, 2017, Personality and its transformations), from 40:08 to the end.
If the Psychology Profs I had were this interesting I probably would have stuck to that field. My gosh the potential for future research seems limitless.
"And that is why you fail."
Why? You’d never make any money. Psychology is interesting to study but overwhelming doesn’t equate to professional success or even work in the field
You two are the reason I quit a PhD in biochemical engineering and retrained as a psychologist. Can't wait to listen to this.
Edit: every second had me hooked. Thank you both for everything!
@@paulh8078 ok
Thank you for sharing your thoughts.
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These men follow their curiosity without fear or prejudice. The fact that they are attacked by social engineers is proof that they follow the scientific methods and procedures. It is enlightening and fascinating to listen to them spit ball ideas as well as extrapolate findings. We are all elevated by their curiosity and reasoning.
One of my favorite discussions yet, Dr. Peterson; that's a tall order. I have listened to an overwhelming number of your talks, all of which have been of quality.
To be able to see this for free is such an privilege. Thank you Jordan and thank you David!
What a pleasant surprise, every man should read The Evolution of Desire by David Buss. Great read! It makes you think from a a completely different perspective.
Changed the way I see the world completely.
Biology of Desire is a phenomenal book
I agree, but I think everyone including women should too
@@NOVELTY098 that's right
Jordan looks great. Very calm. Not as stressed.
I have so much respect for Dr. Buss for doing his best to stay objective as a scientist regarding social matters.
Please have Dr Buss back again, Dr Peterson. A wonderful conversation.
@Jordan▫️B▫️Peterson ※※ 😂
This is a top level college quality master class on psychology.
Thanks both for putting this together and share it.
Incredible. Thank you Dr Peterson and Dr Buss, beautiful talk. I can't believe we can freely listen to conversations of this intellectual depth. Truly we live in a wondrous world.
@Jordan▫️B▫️Peterson ※※ Troll!
This episode gave me life.
I’ve studied some of Mr. Buss’s work for my thesis about Mating Intelligence and its correlation with the Dark Triad and Character Strengths, and i was so amazed by it, now seeing him have such an enlightening conversation with my favorite human being on earth Dr. Peterson just makes me grateful to live at this point in time where I can listen to both of them for free on a podcast in youtube knowing that this two brilliant minds are still alive and can keep doing research and keep enlightening humanity with their knowledge.
Can you imagine Jordan Peterson telling you he’s learned more from you than any other living Psychologist?
Jordan told you that about me?
Sometimes Doctor makes me laugh out loud and he is interesting.
Yeah
Looks like he will have a lot of mating opportunities after this :D
@@ThatGuyz82 lol you really were that guy 😂
What a time to be alive, listening to this precious knowledge for free.
25:20 "If she can mumble a little bit, that's fine" had me rolling 🤣🤣🤣🤣
haahah, it's sad, but true..
"Or even not"🤣🤣🤣
@@RayCray924 Yeah I can take it leave the mumbling too..haha
Dr. Peterson, this is so good. Thank you for your commitment to educating people via youtube after what you went through physically and professionally. As a fellow PhD and college Psychology instructor, your contributions are ALWAYS appreciated.
I always feel smarter when I listen to JP.
Same
Same! 👍
That's the problem with JP, your not smarter you've just got one more thing jammed into your already confused brain!
@@poemanderpoemander3007 You’re* but that’s just one more thing jammed into my already confused brain.
High status being defined by position allotted to the guy who provides the most benefit is spot on. Caesar was very generous and merciful and he fought alongside his soldiers.
This is probably one the best podcast I'm gonna see in my life. Two of my favorite people discussing the most interesting topic.
Evolutionary Psychology is one of my favorite topics too. It’s what Gender Studies should have been lmao
Bro I literally see this comment every episode😂
Fascinating mind of Dr. Peterson. Love his work and who he interviews. Thoughtful and provocative discussions of rigorous science, exposing all of our flaws. Great place to visit to reset the mind and reframe our beliefs.
I had David Buss as my professor during my first semester at UT Austin
Lucky 👍
I had the privilege to be mentioned in the acknowledgements in his latest book. He wrote an amazing recommendation letter for me also.
@@porlawright that’s awesome!
@@porlawright ha nice humble brag but also congrats that’s very impressive 👏
Awesome.
Being able to access these brilliant human beings is such a blessing. My life grows through the wisdom of others, and it makes me hungry for more. All topics! Dr. Peterson your public path might sting in a few areas….i am grateful for you.
I recently discovered Jordan Peterson. He's a discerning and sensitive person and i really enjoy his perspectives. Appreciate you JP 🙏
Better late than never, but man have you been missing out.
Bro you're about to go on a intellectual, and spiritual transcendence
@@jackmathisen8287 ^ That
Welcome!
I took a course taught by Dr. Buss at the University of Texas Austin. Super insightful lectures, and I’m grateful for his work. It’s been years since I took his course, and I’ve noticed most of his findings seem to be accurate. Thank you for your contributions, Dr. Buss!
Jordan Peterson back to his roots, so happy to have you back!
This is a podcast I've wanted to see for nearly four years! David Buss is where I began to learn about evolutionary psychology, long ago. 15 minutes in, and so far it's everything I hoped it would be.
Dr. Peterson and Dr. Buss were like two kids in high school who couldn’t come off the phone lol. Fantastic discussion just laying out the facts and science. Would love to see the two of you come together to talk about these issues more
The team we never knew we needed - would love to see more of JBP and Dr Buss! Such an amazing conversation 🙌
There can never be too much of Dr.Buss. Would happily watch even twice longer an interview with him.
Such a rewarding experience listening two men who genuinely admire each other as they bounce ideas back and forth.
Thanks 🙏 Dr Peterson for widely spread the message. Love to hear guidance even in my 45 years old... Wish you health and love to your family... @CMartinSalomon from Argentina. Following you. Since 2017...
Lo bien que le vendría a los argentinos escuchar voces como la de JBP!
With regards to the argument at 33:55 - giving the bigger share to the less prolific hunter also proves to others that you're SO good at acquiring resources that you have the self confidence to be able to repeat your performance without detrimental effects to yourself. A double whammy of showing and confirming your competence.
This is great! I feel JBP is at his best when discussing psychology with his peers. I wish he did more of this rather than playing an expert in very imaginable field (politics, climate science, economy, history etc).
Agreed
I’m there with ya. It’s my favorite topic to hear him discuss, and he really lights up about it.
MongrelKi... I don't see JBP as being an expert in other fields. He has many good insights about them. Reads a great deal. And is asked a lot of questions about other fields. Most of us who read a lot have similar insights while not claiming to be experts. Just as you do. If we waited to be experts, our knowledge would dry up. And nowadays, esp in Academia, the experts are often corrupt.
I've listened to David Buss on 3 podcasts: this one, Lex Fridman and Andrew Huberman This one is by far the best: Highly engaging, informative and challenging. ❤❤❤
I would love to see Dr. Buss back. Such an insightful man and such interesting research!
One of the most exciting conversations I've listened to on this channel so far. Please have him back, Jordan!
Having spent many years living in a small rural village in Greece on of the things I learnt was what I came to understand as ‘moral economy’ and status derived from that. My experience directed me to find anthropologist who had studied the area I lived in... surprisingly few as I found. But my thoughts very much align with much of what is being said here. Thank you both .
Dr P uses his platform to promote awesome people/research -- best podcast ever!
Great conversation, and compliments to Jordan for showing increasing restraint in his interviews (made more difficult with web-based conversation) -- he has mentioned that he has tried to take a more curious and question-based role in his interviews (particularly with his latest Sam Harris conversation). Sometimes his inspired thoughts get in the way of the flow of the guest, and he has been much more sensitive lately to the transitions. 👏
Comparing myself to Jordan ( a bit of a stretch...hear me out ), I often still make the mistake of interrupting another when in teacher-mode. It is the joy of sharing reflections and principles and revelations that ring of Truth, yet...it can absolutely short-circuit the receiver's thought-process and "train of thought." Not exactly the best method in teaching. At the same time, I take risks to interrupt when a concept hasn't been clarified or my conversational partner just stated something that doesn't make sense to me as of yet. Not to be a hypocrite, I respect your point and affirmation to Jordan in how he's been working on it, because there have been times over the years where I thought he derailed a deeper connection and exchange through his excitement to share something important or sheer openness. It's good he's working on that. I'll do the same! 🥸
I think that's because he thinks in what I've come to call rational lateralisms where in a conversation with someone he's so intellectually stimulated his thought processes automatically latreralise the idea and lead to others ideas in and around the core of the original conversation context
@@machtnichtsseimann Just a short reply to note what you said in your first line, "while in teacher mode", I think that's what Jordan has noted when he said he wanted better conversations -- he wants to *learn* from his guests and not wrestle with their logic as much. Of course there is room for interruption when in casual creative conversation or to clarify understanding.
@@mattapusswreks7741 I agree with your conclusion and it's common for many -- another expression is "tangential thinking", "orthogonal thinking" or even "systems thinking" -- a familiar response for creative or open types (myself being one). It's not inherently bad but it can be a bad habit when it blocks another from fully developing an idea (particularly a guest on a video call where its not in a natural setting), and especially if they are more cogitative and need to formulate their thoughts into words slowly.
But in this context, Jordan understands specifically that he is sometimes derailing the guest from fully expounding their thoughts or beliefs and has consciously chosen to take the position of humility and curiosity to create a much more productive conversation. Not to mention the whole premise of the "socratic method" where questioning is the root approach of reaching higher understanding.
What a big pleasure having the change to experience a long and rich psychology conversation between two of the most prestigious and intelligent psychologists nowadays.
It's really nice seeing the excitement from JP at having the opportunity to ask a question that has been bugging him for a long time, to a person that may well have some insight on the matter.
This is my first podcast watching Dr. Peterson and I am new to Dr. Buss. I have heard of Peterson prior but haven’t listened. Very glad I gave this one a shot because I foresee myself watching more. Great quality of conversation, topic choice, and overall respect and energy. Definitely a whole new level of thinking and learning. Wow.
That was absolutely fascinating. I've had some conversations with woman about how their eye sight is slightly different when it comes to color theory. How their eyes have more of the cells that detect pigment changes (presumably to monitor infant health) and men's have more of the cells that detect movement (for defending against predators). My wife actually sees more colours then I do. I suspect this directly relates to aggression styles. Woman can more easily see changes in complexion and now how their character attacks are affecting others as where men see the physical movement more adeptly so they physically display aggression.
do you have sources ?
@@lagerthavikings3975 for which part?
I read Dr David Buss' Evolutionary Psychology back in 2015. I always felt like the things Jordan Peterson talked about reminded of Evolutionary Psychology. This is was great discussion to have on RUclips for everyone to see.
I'm looking forward to a next conversation with Mr. Buss. What a great talk!
Around 1:38:00 Dr. Peterson says it's well known women are better at decoding non-verbal behavior than men, then Dr. Buss asks him if that's what his INTUITION tells him, and JP says yes. Shortly thereafter DB introduces the idea of MIND-READING abilities. I think that would be a very valuable topic for serious research. Seems to me like it's all a graduated continuum (aren't all other shared traits?) of INTUITION and at the same time there's no reason to believe a man cannot develop an extremely accurate intuition. Women do not own the rights to it even though they may have more needs evolutionary-wise than men because they are the baby-carriers and nurturers. Gentlemen, this has been the most amazing discussion I've ever encountered and have had the great honor and pleasure to observe. Thank you both for the superb work. The world needs more psychological scientists like yourselves.
Definitely need a part 2..one of the best one so far... amazing 👏
This is amazing. This guy has brought us together to listen to two psychologists for an hour and forty five minutes.
ᴛʜᴀɴᴋs ғᴏʀ ʏᴏᴜʀ ᴄᴏᴍᴍᴇɴᴛ, ᴍᴀᴋᴇ ᴀ ɴᴏᴛᴇ ᴛᴏ ᴋᴀᴛʜʀʏɴ ʟɪɴᴄᴋ ʀᴇɢᴀʀᴅɪɴɢ ʙᴛᴄ/ ᴇᴛʜ ɪɴᴠᴇsᴛᴍᴇɴᴛ ɪᴅᴇᴀs
𝚃ᵉ𝚇ţ𝄍𝑾𝒉𝔮τ𝑠𝑨𝑝𝑝
±𝟭𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟴𝟯𝟲𝟭𝟵𝟬𝟳
ʟᴇᴛ ʜᴇʀ ᴋɴᴏᴡ ɪ ʀᴇғᴇʀʀᴇᴅ ʏᴏᴜ..
Only twenty minutes in and I'm pretty sure this is one of my favorite conversations Jordan has had. This David Buss guy is freaking awesome.
I like Dr. Peterson a lot. He is not only a great father figure, but also a highly sympathetic one.
Jordan was flinging gold everywhere with his questions as David tried to decide which coin to grab and respond to.
I am so grateful for the possibility to listen to the people with knowledge and experience, true experts of their field and especially in the format of intelligent conversation with JBP. It’s priceless. Thank you!
One of the best conversations JP has had so far. Amazing. Learned a lot
Dr. Peterson, from the bottom of my heart… thank you so very much for documenting these topics with such wise and broad minds. For my children thank you.
I will never take those enlightning conversations for granted. Thank you.
On death anxiety: I've experienced several life threatening health traumas over the past 20 years. During the latest, a cardiologist questioned me, saying that he felt I wasn't taking my heart issue seriously enough, presumably because I was very calm and positive about the situation. This led to a discussion of my belief (as a result of my previous experiences) that if I died, it would be wonderful; if I lived, it would be wonderful. He was truly puzzled. I'm alive and they call me their miracle patient. I would not have come to this belief without the previous life threatening issues. Although none of these health challenges were 'risk taking' per se, I wonder if trying to find that 'peace' in life, isn't part of the risk taking drive and may in fact be a strategy to ease 'death anxiety'?.
What a great and interesting conversation! Thank you to both Dr. Peterson and Dr. Buss for this thought-provoking content.
23:50 BAM ! Don't need a PHD to know this basic fact. Fathers knows best about the dangers their teenage girls are exposed to. JP thanks for keeping doing education with young men. And thanks for inviting Dr Buss. Lex Friedman also interviewed him. Great podcast
David Buss, I did not know much of you before but I think the work you are doing is fascinating and I look forward to checking out your book. Also, I do hope you return to the podcast soon as listening to you and Jordan together made for enjoyable and enlightening discussion. Jordan, as always it is a delight listening to you. You continue to challenge me and educate me. For that I am deeply grateful. 💛
Thank you, Jordan and David for the amazing talk. I am genuinely grateful for this conversation by the two intelligent gentlemen.
I'm sitting on my porch, listening to this while finishing up a project for a client on my laptop and keeping an eye on my two youngest kids who are enjoying the unseasonably pleasant weather we're having today. My husband is currently fixing my car in the driveway. It was making this clanky metal sound whenever I drove over bumps in the road and he figured out that my struts were bad or something like that. All in all, this is a pretty typical weekend for my family... I try and get some things done while making sure our kids don't get into too much trouble and my husband fixes things and builds sh*t lol.
My husband and I have been together for 15 years and married for 13 years. I love him more every day. I still want to jump on him at every opportunity lol. If I haven't gotten enough of at this point, I probably never will and that's a good thing. I love the feeling of never being able to get enough of him. It keeps me on my toes.
None of that would be true if my husband wasn't the kind of man he is. If he didn't possess a stoic, grounded personality. If he wasn't a hard and competent worker. If he wasn't a successful and reliable provider. If he wasn't physically and emotionally strong. Etc. If he'd followed the path many guys follow these days and spent his time playing video games, watching porn and whining on social media, I wouldn't have gotten with him in the first place and we sure as hell wouldn't have gotten to where we are now.
Love this. Your guy is hard to find and it’s good to hear relationships like this actually do exist. I feel envy but at the same time so happy for you. I failed miserably.
@@ggjj999 thank you Glenda. And you haven't failed. You're still alive and as long as that's true, there's always hope.
Hopefully Dr. Buss returns to the podcast to speak about his findings in evolutionary psychology on love and it's adaptations on humans, definitely will buy his books. Great episode!
One of the best videos by Drs. Buss and Peterson.
I'll be keeping track of David Buss now. This was one of the MOST fascinating talks I've ever heard -- period. I'm actually still watching this on a different device :)
Please consider making the chapter on women's attraction to the Dark Triad a stand-alone videoclip - it is really helpful, potentially life-changing, for young women to know about these findings.
I’m in the intro 2:24 and scouring the comments for spoilers.
9/12 comments are people saying “I relate” but you’re one of the few that clued me in.
Thank you. Let’s get married.
This is probably the best discussion on the podcast yet. Absolutely awesome.
MORE IS NEEDED.
13:30 Jordan, I remember reading somewhere that a study was done on a dating site where they used the same photos for the male but gave him 4 I think different back stories. One was average guy doing an average but good job, one unemployed, one self made successful and one lottery winner. The self made businessman always got the most likes and proposals even over the lottery winner in fact the lottery winner was always third behind the average guy with a decent job.
lottery winner is considered as lazy and laziness is not a trait that we value in people regardless of gender.
Dr. Peterson, the quality of your interviews, whatever the subject, is substantial. I greatly enjoy them. Thank you.
"I store meat in the belly of my brother" is literally a sentence I heard in an documentary about an Amazonian tribe.
I haven't listened to the whole video and I'm just scrolling through the comments...I'm just curious, is that sentence a reference to anal sex? 😂
@@ancientfuture9690 no 🤨
@@ancientfuture9690 "deep" conversation they said...
Self sacrificing attitude:))
@@drakenfly56 😂
My brain is tingling. EXTRAORDINARY conversation! I loved every delicious moment of it. I consider the questions asked that could not be decided upon and they're so provocative to furthering the discussion that I'll likely still be thinking about them for years.
Thank you both for letting us be involved in this talk!
Excellent collab! I’ll binge watch/listen to this one.
Jordan, thank you for pushing David on the monogamy as optimal point. I think it is imperative that scientists do try to contextualise thier research findings into an ‘all things considered’ understanding and I certainly believe you have come to a very sensible conclusion that indeed it is an optimal mating strategy in our modern environment with the current population size and resource distribution etc. I think we need more courageous scientists and thinkers like you who are willing to contextualise findings within the wider topic of how do we live a good life as modern humans even if they might be wrong, we have to at least try. Perhaps more scary for scientists who haven’t ventured out of thier own field but we need more cross-disciplinary thinking if we are to come up with effective solutions to our modern problems. Thank you for this wonderful conversation!
This totally explains some things I experienced as a young girl. I hated the subtle hidden women/girls hierarchies. Never obvious, never transparent. I always preferred male friends, although the problem was the female attraction they could feel. I always worked in mostly male environments (computer science, IT) and was quite happy there, only once worked in a place where the boss was female as well as many coworkers, and I hated that job, all the gossip and subtle messages of dislike or envy. Maybe because I had male siblings and a strong father figure, I was more comfortable with their psychology. Anyway, I am a woman and can't escape my biological traits!
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My mum who became a c commissioned officer in WW2 & commanded mixed gender transport units (very unusual in England in 1943) always said she far preferred working with men not women because of the intrigue!
I spent a couple of years as a female OTR trucker. I absolutely loved it but impossible to "fit in." And forget about finding a meaningful relationship.
Then must also know that it’ll be much harder for u to find a good guy as the moment u say yeah I got guy mates he’ll run…
@@moonknight4053 Why would he run if you have male platonic friends?
A mind blowing conversation, am always grateful to have the opportunity to listen to you. Thank very much Dr. Peterson
I’m putting it out there for the universe to manifest… One day, I’ll have an intellectual conversation like this with Dr. Peterson. The first time I heard him speak, I knew I missed my purpose. At 40, I re-enrolled in college to pursue my academic interests and shift careers. Best decision I’ve ever made!! Looking forward to seeing what kind of dent I can make…
very very inspiring
I feel better knowing you, and so many others are out there grinding, bettering themselves and by proxy bettering everyone else, reaching far and wide. Keep going your direction sir, and I will go mine. Our each individual impact will meet somewhere, as two tiny ripples we'll never see.▪️▫️Cheers.
This debate was thrilling ! I can't express how grateful I am to be able to listen to this for free. Thanks for this Doctor Peterson!
More of this please. This was so much fun to listen to 😊
I love the classic music in the beginning of every podcast.
That conversation was.... So insightful. Thank you both for allowing others to listen to brilliant work. I got this feeling of being speachless and happy at the same time. Like being home alone after a stressful day. 😊 🇳🇴
Are you from Norway?
There are so many cruel truths in the world and only a small percentage can really handle and process those truths without spiraling into extreme anxiety or depression over it , at least that is how it seems to me. Especially the latest generation seems to be overly fragile, mentally and they can not cope with the simplest truths about life or death.
Thank you for discussing all these topics, you give me a lot to think on.
Wow. So pleased I stumbled across this discussion between you two unassuming, humble experts. Absolutely fascinating observations. I was absolutely hooked on every word. It was a real antidote to the well-meaning onslaught of Woke propaganda that we all seem excessively subjected too of late. Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you Dr Peterson. I love allll that you say and do…. You’re such a Learned Mind … how we need more men like you ❤️🇨🇦
Compassion, kindness, and selflessness are the highest masculine qualities that actually work in loving relationships, not obsession with violence and hierarchy for the sake of ego.
Ultimately character is what stands the test of time and what is actually remembered & admired.
Ikr
,Also being a provider n protector
N making her feel secure all the time
Thank you both for letting us participate in this interesting discussion, best of luck to you both, and best wishes.