I wish we could have seen the 2X10 before pressure was applied to it. It looks as though it may have been cracked in that area before the load was applied to it.
I would like to see a test again with a couple changes. One with a board without such a massive knot. Also put holes in both for vent , electrical, and plumbing. Lastly, what is the cost difference? Enough to justify a 1.5x strength?
I joists can have more and bigger holes than lumber. Since when does every stick of lumber come off the stack perfectly knot free? This 2x was better than 90% of the lumber out there.
The I-Joist concept is great "on paper", but has a drawback: Supporting hanging loads. I have a garage beneath bedrooms in a 2 story house. I need storage space and wanted to hang things from the garage ceiling. Lucky I looked before starting. Lag bolts through the lower cap and into the webbing could have degraded their strength and nobody would have known.
I feel your pain! hehe. As a traveling certified installer of anchoring points for elevators and cranes i have seen some weird constructions. but we must always think 2x5x safety::: which means that if an anchor point shall hold 1000 pounds, we hang 2500 pounds from the points! so we most times DONT anchor cranes-elevators in wooden anchor points even if the dimensions are big normal lumber, becouse even the best wooden screw-s can be pulled out to easy after some use and wriggling. we usually install say steel beam-s between the beams-joists. that go between 2 load bearing walls.
I'm from South Africa....this type of joists are not very popular...we use SA pine and laminated beams...I REALLY like this idea very much...I'm wondering what kinda span this particular i-beam can cover...
Well I'll ask but why can't I make these?? Because of the laminated top and bottom?? 2x3 notched to fit the osb I could make whatever length I want. Interesting video thank you
What about strength of the joists, under damp or wet conditions? Seems to me then the I-joist would be WEAKER. Obviously all buildings should be kept dry, but changing weather patterns may cause temporary disruptions.
I wonder if shaping these with a peak for peaked roofs.... could make these 18ft long to span a small concrete slab for a car port or enclosed garage with a peak already in it and ready to go (obviously theres no overhead storage optio s but still super quick and easy
The l joist might be stronger than a conventional joist until it gets wet then it will do what all laminated wood does and fall apart where as the solid wood will sustain its strength
I don't like the way they tested the strenght. I'd like to see another test with a smaller gap between the pressure and the resting area of the 2x10 Due to the way the 2x10 splits, you're giving an edge to the i-Joist here. That being said, the i-joist is certainly very strong.
I would imagine the potential for damage is minimal. Termites don't like Douglas fur, which they specifically used for the flange. While they didn't share the makeup of the OSB (it sounds like a proprietary mixture of wood and glue - and termites don't like glue), I'd be willing to bet they took termite threat into consideration for the design of the entire joist. Using Douglas fur for the flanges would otherwise be pointless.
Thar knot that close to the edge is uncceptable in a 2btr. Engineered lumber has advantages such as consistency and strength/weight. That said, I would avoid these like the plague in my own houses. Just picturing a 3" drain pipe beinf routed through that js painful. Most improtantly, moisture damage seem like a huge weakness too.
@@sailingwiththegods538 Are you posting just to argue? I am talking about using a subpar traditional wood joist for demonstration - effectively rigging the results. Oh yes, speaking as a certified lumber grader in case you want to go off on some skewed tangent. FWIW, just because it's on spec, doesn't mean it's acceptable. Just because it's acceptable, doesn't mean it's good idea. God I hope you don't build houses with that attitude. Literally the minimal possible.
Why you the 2x10 when it’s already broke down and not from beginning. Are you trying to something? I don’t believe it and you also used the imperfect 2x10 with the eyes in the wood
In real world plumbers and electricians make many holes in many different places... and sometimes openings. This setup will never handle longtherm loads... If i see this i dont buy a house
Cheapest crap I've ever seen. Almost looks like chineese junk. Not to mention OSB is a mold magnet, burns like paper, easily water damaged, and can easily warp. Only time will tell if it really works
50% stronger my Oklahoma Sooner buttocks how about 50% weaker a true 5 inch wide by 8 inch tall solid wood beam made of White Oak can run circles around this those manufactured i joists and take more than 3 hours to burn through to be declared unsafe compared to just 4 to 5 minutes with manufactured i joists most manufacturers of manufactured i joists never their products when exposed to fire and i wonder why.
@@onestepunlock4475 I would because I'll build my home to last more than a 100 years maybe even 200 years the higher upfront cost will pay off in the long run.
@@rustybeatty6567 It takes around 20000 board feet of lumber to build a a 3000 sq ft house. Rough sawn white oak runs at $10 per board foot plus tax. Your framing would run you over $200K. You would gain absolutely no advantage over pine except for a better rot rating. It makes no difference because it's enclosed inside all the sheeting material anyways. Your house would be extremely heavy. Nails is a no go. You would need proper joinery. Add another 200K for labor. You also need to realize - you won't be able to run drywall screws into oak. There are plenty of houses built over a 100 years ago using pine. They will stand another 100. If you want to build a timeless fortress and willing to spend half a million on framing, why not build with brick/stone?
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Try to find such 2x10 without such a big branch knot or turn it up. And then test again. No-one uses it that huge branch at the bottom.
I wish we could have seen the 2X10 before pressure was applied to it. It looks as though it may have been cracked in that area before the load was applied to it.
Thank you for the how its made video. I think these are awesome!
I would like to see a test again with a couple changes. One with a board without such a massive knot. Also put holes in both for vent , electrical, and plumbing. Lastly, what is the cost difference? Enough to justify a 1.5x strength?
i wonder if an I joist will hold its strength after 100 years
@@randomrazr I wonder if a truss will hold it's strength over 100 years. Same dumb argument?
I joists can have more and bigger holes than lumber. Since when does every stick of lumber come off the stack perfectly knot free? This 2x was better than 90% of the lumber out there.
@@sailingwiththegods538 huh
The deflection test is a bit misleading. You would still need squash blocks if transferring a load from, say, a load bearing wall to a support beam.
The problem with lumber
2x12s top out at 20 feet span
I-Trusses and be built to handle wider spans
Very explicative, we need more vid like this.
We do indeed Fabiano. 😊🌏✨
The I-Joist concept is great "on paper", but has a drawback: Supporting hanging loads.
I have a garage beneath bedrooms in a 2 story house. I need storage space and wanted to hang things from the garage ceiling. Lucky I looked before starting. Lag bolts through the lower cap and into the webbing could have degraded their strength and nobody would have known.
I feel your pain! hehe. As a traveling certified installer of anchoring points for elevators and cranes i have seen some weird constructions.
but we must always think 2x5x safety::: which means that if an anchor point shall hold 1000 pounds, we hang 2500 pounds from the points!
so we most times DONT anchor cranes-elevators in wooden anchor points even if the dimensions are big normal lumber, becouse even the best wooden screw-s can be pulled out to easy after some use and wriggling.
we usually install say steel beam-s between the beams-joists. that go between 2 load bearing walls.
I have the same I-Joists and I want to hang storage racks. Did you ever do it and or how?
Attach it the top of the I-Joist not the lower cap or webbing.
All those adhesives in the flange, and in the web material, no wonder this stuff burns so much hotter, and faster than traditional lumber.
Wow awesome video! Super informative and very well presented. I learned a lot tonight. Thank you!
I'm from South Africa....this type of joists are not very popular...we use SA pine and laminated beams...I REALLY like this idea very much...I'm wondering what kinda span this particular i-beam can cover...
At that dimension for the joist it can free span 4 to 5 meters (depending on spacing) before deflection becomes a problem.
@@mitchalvarado2777 Thank you kind sir
How long do they last?
Didn’t show how the 8 foot sections of OSB are glued (if at all) together at the butt joints to make longer spans.
Just wish I knew where to buy 9.5x20' I-Joists here in Athens GA none of the box stores can get them though they do list them on their sites.
Well I'll ask but why can't I make these?? Because of the laminated top and bottom?? 2x3 notched to fit the osb I could make whatever length I want. Interesting video thank you
What about strength of the joists, under damp or wet conditions? Seems to me then the I-joist would be WEAKER. Obviously all buildings should be kept dry, but changing weather patterns may cause temporary disruptions.
My limited experience, solid wood holds up better than laminated in wet conditions. If I have a water accident I don't want my house to crash.
I wonder if shaping these with a peak for peaked roofs.... could make these 18ft long to span a small concrete slab for a car port or enclosed garage with a peak already in it and ready to go (obviously theres no overhead storage optio s but still super quick and easy
I find this kind of stuff fascinating. I wonder if adding a different material in the bottom 2x2 like a long strip of metal would do
Didn’t see the board before the crack.
The l joist might be stronger than a conventional joist until it gets wet then it will do what all laminated wood does and fall apart where as the solid wood will sustain its strength
How does the price compare?
A flood or leak will damage these because it's OSB.
I believe you can get them in other materials, but you're not wrong.
I wouldn't use them in a flood prone area, in fact I wouldn't build in a flood prone area
@@JumboJimbo100 hell you can't even use them below kitchens or bathrooms. imagine a slow leak.....the entire I beam would collapse
@@jgg204 That's a piss poor argument, even for a smooth brain like yourself.
Very interesting. Can these be treated and used as joists on decks?
Yes
I don't like the way they tested the strenght.
I'd like to see another test with a smaller gap between the pressure and the resting area of the 2x10
Due to the way the 2x10 splits, you're giving an edge to the i-Joist here.
That being said, the i-joist is certainly very strong.
What about termite damage
I would imagine the potential for damage is minimal. Termites don't like Douglas fur, which they specifically used for the flange. While they didn't share the makeup of the OSB (it sounds like a proprietary mixture of wood and glue - and termites don't like glue), I'd be willing to bet they took termite threat into consideration for the design of the entire joist. Using Douglas fur for the flanges would otherwise be pointless.
Imagine if you made I-joist from 2x10 lumber.
Thar knot that close to the edge is uncceptable in a 2btr. Engineered lumber has advantages such as consistency and strength/weight. That said, I would avoid these like the plague in my own houses. Just picturing a 3" drain pipe beinf routed through that js painful. Most improtantly, moisture damage seem like a huge weakness too.
Holes can be much larger in I joists than they can be in regular lumber. Look up the installation sheet before making assumptions.
@@sailingwiththegods538 Are you posting just to argue? I am talking about using a subpar traditional wood joist for demonstration - effectively rigging the results. Oh yes, speaking as a certified lumber grader in case you want to go off on some skewed tangent.
FWIW, just because it's on spec, doesn't mean it's acceptable. Just because it's acceptable, doesn't mean it's good idea. God I hope you don't build houses with that attitude. Literally the minimal possible.
“I don’t think we’ll need your marker for this one.” 🤣🤣
Why you the 2x10 when it’s already broke down and not from beginning. Are you trying to something? I don’t believe it and you also used the imperfect 2x10 with the eyes in the wood
Yeah, because every 2x10 off the rack is absolutely perfect. If anything that stick was better than 90% of lumber out there.
2x10 any day, thise I-joist don'tet you hang anything
OSB hates WATER. Get that i joist moist for a day and try it again.
Arnold Schwarzenegger called, he wants his haircut back.
In real world plumbers and electricians make many holes in many different places... and sometimes openings. This setup will never handle longtherm loads... If i see this i dont buy a house
OSB is like CARD BOARD, i am not using this junk
Cheapest crap I've ever seen.
Almost looks like chineese junk.
Not to mention OSB is a mold magnet, burns like paper, easily water damaged, and can easily warp. Only time will tell if it really works
I mean this video was made back in the early 2000s and theyre still making them
You must've never worked on a high end house that demands long spans or you'd think differently. Keep working on that Section 8 housing.
Yea sure 50% stronger maybe 50% weaker more likely
50% stronger my Oklahoma Sooner buttocks how about 50% weaker a true 5 inch wide by 8 inch tall solid wood beam made of White Oak can run circles around this those manufactured i joists and take more than 3 hours to burn through to be declared unsafe compared to just 4 to 5 minutes with manufactured i joists most manufacturers of manufactured i joists never their products when exposed to fire and i wonder why.
Who builds house with white oak for framing? It would be ridiculously expensive. They compare softwoods to those joints
Not to mention 5x8!
@@onestepunlock4475 I would because I'll build my home to last more than a 100 years maybe even 200 years the higher upfront cost will pay off in the long run.
@@jennifer9528 the homes that have been built with 5X8 wood beam and have been around still today and were built before the 1900's.
@@rustybeatty6567 It takes around 20000 board feet of lumber to build a a 3000 sq ft house. Rough sawn white oak runs at $10 per board foot plus tax. Your framing would run you over $200K. You would gain absolutely no advantage over pine except for a better rot rating. It makes no difference because it's enclosed inside all the sheeting material anyways. Your house would be extremely heavy. Nails is a no go. You would need proper joinery. Add another 200K for labor. You also need to realize - you won't be able to run drywall screws into oak. There are plenty of houses built over a 100 years ago using pine. They will stand another 100. If you want to build a timeless fortress and willing to spend half a million on framing, why not build with brick/stone?
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Or give up your puerile mythology and imaginary friends and start using this life to make the world better.
You must walk away from whatever drugs you've been snorting.
Keep your imaginary friend to yourself.
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This means that we are all under his just condemnation.
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Great info thanks