@user-vy6hq6oo1w she is very much alive if your thinking of the chick who died to a bug in the first movie that's dizzy but no Carmen is very much alive
I was initially disappointed with Starship Troopers because its tone was so different from the book. However, over the years, I've appreciated how its brilliant satire predicted the American mindset post 9/11.
@@TheVeritas1That was a fascist society in Starship Troopers. Today is more like living under communism. The government trying to control everything, limiting freedoms, raising prices and not increasing wages to create a one class society, etc. Your biggest clue that we don’t live in a fascist society is not having a strong sense of nationalism. Key people in government and even Biden himself hates America.
@@TheVeritas1because film is anti- Starship troopers. The Federation in film is fascists state, propaganda in film is copying nazi propaganda movies and even officer clothes in the end of film from SS. And in one of the scene where characters explain why they had gone to service most of them told that it is because of poverty.
@markgarrett3647 yes I am. And Carmen was never really into Rico, that was obvious. Diz was, and she was FAR better match for him. Being someone's boyfriend or girlfriend isn't a permanent thing. Marriage is.
So, a minor correction. Rico DOES indeed join the military due to his love for Carmen. During training, he even considers leaving but stays because he shows leadership qualities. Then, after receiving lashes as part of his punishment for a recruit on his team dies, does he decide to leave. His reasoning for staying and entering into the war was pure vengeance. He was talking to his parents about coming home when the asteroid hit and destroyed his home city (and it was the bugs because profit). He had already quit when he heard the news and the rules had to be broken in order to accept him back in. He joined (in part) for Carmen, but he stayed for vengeance. Going past the film, Rico isn't in it for vengeance as much as it is patriotism and honor. He finally understood what it means to be a citizen.
Yup. One could argue that having his mind on vengeance was what nearly got him killed. He was focused only on himself and his own outrage. Only under his old teacher's command did be begin to realize what being a soldier meant. He fought for the soldiers next to him, the soldiers who would fight next, and by extension his species as a whole.
@@silverblade357 I agree completely. It's shown in the fact that Rico's discipline and treatment of his soldiers is an almost perfect mirror of his teacher/former commander.
What's ironic is that Rico becomes a better person as a result of that, but he does through service to a fascist regime and buys into it ideology. It's nice to see him become better but the foundation of how he became better is pretty awful. It's like a person who improves his Life, but he did so by joining a cult. But the film portrayed how he's transformed is a good way, which is done ironically in the film full of irony.
@@vsync true, and that's how the movie tricks you. You have to laud the characters for defending their world against alien aggression, but you're made aware of the fact that they're fighting for a fascist regime. The fact that they're fighting for humanity makes the whole thing digestable, made even more so by the fact that they're fighting mindless bugs. Instead of taking a grim dark approach like Warhammer 40000, they handle whole thing ironically.
"Meeediiiiic!!!" Meanwhile half of the guys head was blown off and brain lay splaytered infront of him. 😅 "dammit jim, im a doctor not a mirakelmaker" -star trek 😅
I think it was meant to demonstrate how naive he still was at this point. He was being tapped as a squad commander but it turned out he was simply following the textbook - at this point he didn’t think for himself, at all, which is good in a way, but not when it comes to being incapable of implementing stratagems. They want you to not question an order: but they want you to be able to think on the fly to carry out the order.
I always thought the ending was so jarring, and confusing.. like I wanted Rico with Carmen, and Carl the entire movie, until I realized Diz was better for him, and Ace was a better friend.. then when Diz, and Rico finally fell in love.. she dies brutally.. and were heartbroken, then immediately after we get a chance at Carmen/Rico again.. when Rico can save her from the brain bug.. he does, and the heroes capture the brain bug, where Carl, Carmen, and Rico reunite... but as audience members were unsure if we want Rico with Carmen... it ends abruptly without showing them kiss, and live happily ever after.. he's goes on as just a cog in the machine, and all 3 continue their separate lives. It seems as if they all reunite again forever, and carmen, rico will be in love again happily ever after... but they don't. Very strange ending that I never know how to feel about. which is why I love it so much.
Jonny fell in love with the wrong girl , Carmen didn’t love him!! Dizzy adored Johnny , she would’ve given her life for Johnny! Carmen on the other hand would’ve sacrifice Johnny…..🎤
wtf? you're reading too much into it. She did him a favor. Carmen always expressed desire to go into fleet whereas Johnny was aimless and was just follwing his friends. She saw that and saved him the heartache before it got too serious.
@@yapeseguy9261 I disagree , Johnny was not aimless , He joined the mobile infantry because of Carmen , he Loved her that much! Chick couldn’t even tell him she loved him, after he told her while they were at the train /space station , so he grabbed her , spun her around then told her , “ Try it on for size” she mumbled it out , Johnny was very focused! Dizzy was better for Johnny, She looked him in the eyes and told him: “ I LOVE YOU JOHNNY” ,without being coerced…..🎤
Verhoeven couldn't make it through the book and thought, "well if I have to tell a fascistic story, I'm gonna satirize it", so he built a perfect fascist world. Good call.
Their world looks pretty good though, nothing seemed unpleasant other than the jingoism. School wasn't a propaganda machine. People with no military service were living very comfortable lives, seemed the Federation wasn't abusive.
@@wastrelperv Well yeah, it's a fascist utopia. Which is a) literally an impossible place and b) implies that it was created by a total world war and the extermination of all the undesirables. I mean, that's how you get an almost completely white Brazil with clichée American culture. And it's not just jingoism but racism/cultural chauvinism/social Darwinism which has always justified fascist eternal expansionism and exterminationism. And we get just enough hints about civilian life that they are clearly treated as second class citizens in more ways than what they outright show (no vote, no kids, participation in the total war). Oh and they literally had something like a civics school lesson where they mix history, politics and moral education to hammer home how violence is the supreme authority, dedication to the state is virtuous, while alternative views and "social sciences" are ridiculed or viewed as dangerous.
@@Banthisyoutube For all his hate of the book, I'm surprised Verhoeven did not portray it worse than that. Iirc, in the book, it was federal service in general, not just military service.
@@Banthisyoutubethat's called having "skin in the game" some philosopher said democracy would be dead the day people realized they could just vote themselves what ever social benefits they wanted and make others pay for it.
It's also important to know that the two people the main characters fall in love with who actually want to be with them and who might change them for the better die. Leaving Rico and Carmon with one another, both of them totally entrapped by the jingoistic nature of the state that they both willingly and lovingly now serve. Carmen lead to ricos downfall upon joining the military, and now with dizz gone, all he has left is her... A woman he doesn't even love him the way he loves her. And doggy houser is a space Nazi.
A cog in the war machine? Seems like he took Rasczak's advice about the freedom to think and choose for oneself to heart every chance he got. Also the war just started, no one is going home any time soon.
@@speabody I enjoy the movie, but I have to think of it as a different thing than the book. It would be nice to see something more faithful to the book but I doubt it.
@@rorymcgregor625 Currently reading the novel in fact. The well-known disparity between the source material and Verhoeven's (intended) parody is what inspired me to buy it. The audience liking the movie unironically is satisfaction enough, despite his intentions. Though I must say it takes a while to get going. I'm almost 100 pgs in and Rico is *still* in training camp.
What are you talking about? The war is a sham. Rico is now a pawn serving the needs of an authoritative government that is enacting war and basically genocide and colonialism. He is not free. He is brainwashed.
Honestly to me I don't feel like they even had a relationship to me it was like a high school fling then they went separate ways then Rico got with that other girl which didn't make sense cause it wasn't clear if they had broke up or if it was cause he was cheating on her or what. But when they did meet up to me it was an awkward meet up with a hi bye vibe instead of the "let's get dinner together then bang and catch up on lost times" type of vibe.....that's just what I got from that tbh.
He literally has no home to go back to. The military and the war gave him new life and purpose and he was doing great at it at the end. Its a message of hope if anything. Only downers see it as sad.
Or...he likes his current job and is proud of it. Like, my whole life I wanted to be a teacher. but when I found out the money in electrical construction I decided to stay there. I try to recruit everyone to construction. That doesn't mean i regressed, it means I found the fun and money in my current job
@@jamesbrice6619 The film actually succeeds as satire. The problem was timing. Starship Troopers debuted in the relatively peaceful and prosperous 1990s when it seemed new global conflicts and the related propaganda were a thing of the past. This mindset was especially strong in America. So, Starship Troopers was a hard sell. Then, the 9/11 attacks happened, followed by the War on Terror. Which led to lots of propaganda that many people fell for.
@@Felix-ix7ic Rico is cannon fodder as far as the Terran Federation is concerned. They use propaganda to convince their soldiers to believe otherwise. What's scary is how many people in real life fall for this.
The movie bore small resemblance to the book. It needs to be redone properly. Juan Rico is Filipino and speaks Tagalog along with his father, who joined up after Johnny's mom was killed while visiting Buenos Aires. The bugs weren't just big dumb mobsters, they had ships and weapons. Plus the Mobile Infantry was called such because of their powered armor which let them jump long distances and move at vehicle speed.
The bugs were still much the same but pseudo arachnids used weapons sometimes but it was unclear whether it was natural or constructed ..there was another race that assisted them as well at first that were more human like called the skinnies
The movie wasn’t originally going to be based on the book at all, but the studio got the rights to the book so verhoeven decided to make a satire of what he saw as the fascist ideology in the book.
I always felt him and Carmen kind of drifted apart after boot camp or whatever, at least that's what I felt cause to me it seemed like the chemistry wasn't there after they kind of went to their new posts and what not.
@@seanemery1917 thats the first I'm hearing about that, I mean it's possible but honestly I felt like there was just a quick relationship and a totally awkward situation each time they'd meet up again like they were in some sort of high school relationship where when they saw each other it was super awkward if you can even call it a relationship. Then I was under the impression they had broken up or something and Rico got with that other girl or Carmen found out he cheated which lead to the break up and awkwardness. Idk their whole fling/relationship was always confusing to me and I never sensed they were a real couple that just had different jobs to do cause again the rest of the time they did meet up it was more of a hi bye thing instead of "hey it's been awhile let's get a coffee or dinner then bang" type of thing.
@@seanemery1917 dang that's crazy I mean really that would make a lot of sense cause honestly in some ways she really became pointless after a certain point of the movie.
@@paulperry9861 True, and it also explains that CGI film where Dizzy's ghost tries to encourage Rico to fight the Bugs on Mars. To be honest, I really didn't like Dizzy, and not only that it turns out Dizzy was a guy in the original novel which makes it awkward
The narrator never read the book. The world was a highly disciplined civilization. The government and the people were balanced: both free, yet dutiful to the society.
Along with Italian socialist philosopher Giovanni Gentile, Benito Mussolini is the father of fascism. Together, they wrote a book titled "Doctrine of Fascism", within which their motto of fascism reads as follows: "Everything within the State, nothing outside of the State, nothing against the State". Throughout the entire Starship Troopers movie, you see this motto guiding all propaganda and mentality (ideological culture), legal and political systems and decisions: soldiers are disposable because they're fighting for a greater entity which is the State (i.e. soldiers lose their lives to keep the State "alive"); you're not a citizen (i.e. you don't become a formal member of that State-controlled society, you're not accepted by your peers as a person, a comrade and member of that society) until you join the Armed Forces to prove that you're willing to put your life at stake in the name of protecting the State; everything against the State must be destroyed with a capital punishment; and so on. Nazism was a German type of fascism. The officers in Starship Troopers wear uniforms almost identical to those wore by SS officers in the 1940's Nazi Germany. There are dozens of interviews out there with Starship Troopers' director Paul Verhoeven stating that this movie's main purpose is to mock fascism. One example is Leigh Singer's interview titled "Starship Troopers 20 years on: Director Paul Verhoeven reveals how his movie predicted Donald Trump", published by Digital Spy on November 2017. I watched this movie back in 1997 and I understood that the director was pretty much mocking fascism, because fascism "screams" in your face all the time throughout the entire movie. Yet, during these (currently more than) 2.5 decades since this movie came out, I've lost count of how many people showed up struggling to identify this movie's elements of fascism and to understand what this movie is about. I wonder why this happens, but I suspect that it does because we all live in fascistoid societies: like in Jim Carrey's "The Truman Show" movie, we sense the issues within our reality, but such reality is so internalized and normalized in us that we struggle to realize its true form with all of its actual issues.
On that note, a popular fan theory about the film is that the attack on Buenos Aires was a false flag operation by the human government to justify a war with the Bugs. This isn't a crazy idea. The Bugs in the film launch asteroids that travel so slowly that they would take millennia to hit Earth. Such asteroids could easily be intercepted and destroyed by human starships.
@@yapeseguy9261 An asteroid that big entering Earth's solar system would still be hard to miss. Even NASA in our century could detect it weeks or even months before it hit.
now you're bringing our reality into the movie. there wasn't much time that had passed in between the dodging of the asteroid and the destruction of Buenos Aires. The lines in the movie where captain say to "contact fleet and warn them of the asteroid heading their way" is put there for the audience to explain why Earth has no warning of an attack. I doubt the writers know the reality of asteroids and how they're very detectable. They're just stupid hollywood writers, not scientists. Not even the director wanted to read the book which is why they misinterpreted the meaning of the story and turned into to a propaganda parody piece. @@TheVeritas1
In Singapore kids swing by the mall on the way home after school. They didn't hang out for four hours, they went home to do their homework. It is socially unacceptable to not do well in school.
It amazes me that the director never got the Libertarian joke that is at the center of the book; fortunately, the screenwriter *DID* get the joke, and it definitely shows! For more on this, be sure to check out Sargon of Akkad's review of the movie.
It wasn't until years later that the point of the movie fully clicked with me. But even at the time, when I saw the slogan "they'll keep fighting, and they'll win", I thought on one hand, it was a cheap way to end the movie, but on the other, we are deliberately left with knowing that more and more bodies are just going to keep getting poured into the fight.
There's many different kinds of hierarchies. Economic, power, social. A soldier becoming a good soldier that leads others in a time and place where they can barely function physically and mentally due to pure stress and getting them out alive isn't a sad ending for a soldier. It's the top of the pyramid. Only from the perspective of another hierarchy could it be considered sad. Just like I would consider a rich old man that had everything handed to them in life a sad existence. Their probably happy they got to sit in the top of the wealth hierarchy and feel pitty at the poors himself.
Why can't people accept that Rico was in love with Carmen? Only she interested him! And Carmen loved him too, and this became clear when she found out about his fake death! They loved each other, while Dizzy and Zander were just emotional buffers!
Well, if your species is on the verge of extinction, being a cog in the war machine is a good thing. Being a famous hero cog that pulls in recruits is even better.
maybe that was a deleted scene because i didnt see that part. she flirted with a guy then broke it off with rico. that's a hell of a lot better than cheating on him and ghosting him.
I mean, Rico nearly quit but stayed in the fight because his home was wiped off the map. His initial hesitation and green instincts nearly got him killed on his first mission. Had he not joined, he'd be dead along with the rest of his hometown.
Fascinating: the entire movie is a gross misunderstanding of the book, but here we are with the person making this having a gross misunderstanding of the movie. Ironically, the book ends in almost the same way as the movie, but there's clearly an ocean of subtext and nuance that some people don't or won't get.
So.... He was confused and directionless at the start then by accident found who he is and is living out a meaningful life protecting his planet, avenging his family and has a successful career.... I mean, he wasn't exactly gonna be curing cancer with math scores like his.
This is the problem with the hero's journey. Those who truly are heroes don't think they are. Those who aren't will never understand. If there is no sufferings, changing of the character or trials, you aren't a hero. Is Rico part of the war machine? Yeah. That tends to happen. Without people like him, the war machine fails to work. as it should. And there is no reason to not fight back against an alien force that views you as a threat and has the ability to launch explosive masses of plasma interstellarly and annihilate major cities on your home planet to make you understand, this isn't just a matter of the industrial military complex picking fights for people to die in, and money to be laundered into special interests. Frodo Baggins comes to mind. If he could just go back to being a normal hobbit of the Shire, you think he would? I do. While he can know he did a great thing for Middle Earth, it cost him having his mind warped by powers beyond his understanding, a stab wound that will always hurt, never heal, and may get worse over time, and he lost half of his right index finger to do, not to mention all the nightmare fuel sights he experienced, and fear inducing situations, the loneliness, betrayal, pain, and the knowledge that, in the end, he nearly caved to the power of the One Ring. When you look at it from that end, it looks sad.
It was a fun movie, but after reading the book they lost the entire point of the story. Rico learns civic virtue through his years in the military and understands why only citizens are allowed to participate in the government of his time. The movie also glosses over the fact that they can leave the military service whenever they want without shame they just return to civilian life never to participate in government.
One things for sure: they didn’t need any of those sequels…. And running the “ franchise “ down to a crappy cartoon is a great way to kill the cult popularity of the first film.
It isn't sad when you realized what the result was in the very end after so many years. The original novel ended on a cliffhanger. Because they never wanted the story to be finished. They wanted it to be what could possibly be. But modern authors and artists just can't be happy with the concept of the ending where we don't know with the real truth of it. All was because there are a bunch of losers
I agree and I think to further add to this, Rico's character is a subtle tragic character. He lost his parents, Diz and a shit load of his friends on the battle field and essentially becomes fully integrated into endless war to fuel a Fascist Government.
Except the government isn't Fascist in the least and humanity is defending itself in a war of extermination started by the bugs. Thanks for telling everyone you have no understanding of the setting beyond what Verhoeven and brain dead troglodytes parrot.
I would love a remake of Starship Troopers but with the story more loyal to the novel. For the movie it was a seriously exaggerated and perverted version of Heinlands work. He was NOT advocating racism but rather a political view in opposition to modern liberalism. What he thought of was basically a meritocracy, where you earned the right to vote by proving you cared more about the wellbeing of your society than you did your own person self or ambitions. Federal Service was meant to be a filter where you proved you cared by putting your own body and life on the line for your people and nation. He posited in the novel that human history was an exercise in deciding where to place the right to rule: sovereign franchise, and that each previous system had failed each for their own reasons. He actually predicted the degeneracy that we now suffer from today, and solved it by requiring service to earn the vote. The people in charge would be the ones that had proven that they cared about their society, regardless of their opinions, religions, values, race, gender, intelligence…because not matter these things, the one thing that matters most is character….that you CARE. Without that, all that other stuff doesn’t matter. The Terran Federation was successful because it placed the people who cared above the rest, and it worked. I love movie but I really love the novel.
Analyses like this one, are exactly the reason why you Channel has fall out of relevance. I’m not saying it’s wrong, but maybe Rico found his place in the military, saving the human race and been a leader for good. Nontheless your channel always sticks with the postmodernist view… that what’s sad and has brought your own ending
I'm subbed to Looper just to read the clip titles just as an investor would watch Jim Cramer's Mad Money. Where everything stated by the hosts is the exact opposite. I watched this clip as Starship Troopers was a goldmine for memes for anti-war and pro-war. Addressing the video directly, he states near the end that "initially as an open minded as Rico, he becomes a cog in the war machine." The entire premise of the movie is an unprovoked ALIEN INVASION OF EARTH with humanity hitting the hive on another planet to mitigate a future attack. Making their premise intellectually bankrupt to call them a war machine while PREVENTING A GENOCIDE. It would be akin to denigrating those fighting against the Nazi's as the evil war machine cogs.
I want a new movie with original cast in their higher up military roles
Starship Troopers: Invasion.
Rico is a Station Commander
Carmen is an Ship Admiral
Carl is Head of Psychological Warfare
i mean, their animated 3D movies are the continuation of this.
@@AKUNJIGCarmen is dead
@user-vy6hq6oo1w she is very much alive if your thinking of the chick who died to a bug in the first movie that's dizzy but no Carmen is very much alive
Isnt the 3rd movie like that
I love this movie. People can say what they want about it, but to me it’s an absolute sci-fi classic.
It's really held up over the years unlike a lot of sci-fi movies
I was initially disappointed with Starship Troopers because its tone was so different from the book.
However, over the years, I've appreciated how its brilliant satire predicted the American mindset post 9/11.
@@TheVeritas1That was a fascist society in Starship Troopers.
Today is more like living under communism. The government trying to control everything, limiting freedoms, raising prices and not increasing wages to create a one class society, etc. Your biggest clue that we don’t live in a fascist society is not having a strong sense of nationalism. Key people in government and even Biden himself hates America.
@@TheVeritas1because film is anti- Starship troopers. The Federation in film is fascists state, propaganda in film is copying nazi propaganda movies and even officer clothes in the end of film from SS. And in one of the scene where characters explain why they had gone to service most of them told that it is because of poverty.
This movie is legendary the body horror was insane for it’s time looked damn near real when it was showing the mangled bodies of dead troopers
Starship troopers was so ahead of its time, stands up in 2023
make that 2024.
@@FazeParticles true
In 2024 it is seeing its own Renaissance with helldivers 2 helping it return to relevance. And a new appreciation from the next generation.
So does my garbage can.
Diz was a far better catch than Carmen
Carmen belonged to the streets, she low key liked the other guy
Diz is so beautiful
You do realise that she threw herself on someone else's boyfriend and then seeked out that boyfriend until he wounds up liking her too right?
@markgarrett3647 yes I am. And Carmen was never really into Rico, that was obvious. Diz was, and she was FAR better match for him. Being someone's boyfriend or girlfriend isn't a permanent thing. Marriage is.
Dina Meyer is so incredibly sexy too
So, a minor correction. Rico DOES indeed join the military due to his love for Carmen. During training, he even considers leaving but stays because he shows leadership qualities. Then, after receiving lashes as part of his punishment for a recruit on his team dies, does he decide to leave.
His reasoning for staying and entering into the war was pure vengeance. He was talking to his parents about coming home when the asteroid hit and destroyed his home city (and it was the bugs because profit). He had already quit when he heard the news and the rules had to be broken in order to accept him back in.
He joined (in part) for Carmen, but he stayed for vengeance. Going past the film, Rico isn't in it for vengeance as much as it is patriotism and honor. He finally understood what it means to be a citizen.
Yup. One could argue that having his mind on vengeance was what nearly got him killed. He was focused only on himself and his own outrage. Only under his old teacher's command did be begin to realize what being a soldier meant. He fought for the soldiers next to him, the soldiers who would fight next, and by extension his species as a whole.
@@silverblade357 I agree completely. It's shown in the fact that Rico's discipline and treatment of his soldiers is an almost perfect mirror of his teacher/former commander.
What's ironic is that Rico becomes a better person as a result of that, but he does through service to a fascist regime and buys into it ideology. It's nice to see him become better but the foundation of how he became better is pretty awful. It's like a person who improves his Life, but he did so by joining a cult. But the film portrayed how he's transformed is a good way, which is done ironically in the film full of irony.
@@cane6074 he's defending his planet
@@vsync true, and that's how the movie tricks you. You have to laud the characters for defending their world against alien aggression, but you're made aware of the fact that they're fighting for a fascist regime. The fact that they're fighting for humanity makes the whole thing digestable, made even more so by the fact that they're fighting mindless bugs. Instead of taking a grim dark approach like Warhammer 40000, they handle whole thing ironically.
Bring Dizzy back as a clone! 😆👍
YES!!!
Cyber-Diz: "Oh, don't look so shocked. They needed more bodies for Cyber R&D and, well, that vacuum burial preserved me pretty damn good."
"Meeediiiiic!!!" Meanwhile half of the guys head was blown off and brain lay splaytered infront of him. 😅 "dammit jim, im a doctor not a mirakelmaker" -star trek 😅
Just needs a band-aid and an ice pack. He'll be squashing bugs by Tuesday.
I think it was meant to demonstrate how naive he still was at this point. He was being tapped as a squad commander but it turned out he was simply following the textbook - at this point he didn’t think for himself, at all, which is good in a way, but not when it comes to being incapable of implementing stratagems. They want you to not question an order: but they want you to be able to think on the fly to carry out the order.
In the military, we often saying “Take some Motrin, drink water and change your socks for a soaking chest wound”
I always thought the ending was so jarring, and confusing.. like I wanted Rico with Carmen, and Carl the entire movie, until I realized Diz was better for him, and Ace was a better friend.. then when Diz, and Rico finally fell in love.. she dies brutally.. and were heartbroken, then immediately after we get a chance at Carmen/Rico again.. when Rico can save her from the brain bug.. he does, and the heroes capture the brain bug, where Carl, Carmen, and Rico reunite... but as audience members were unsure if we want Rico with Carmen... it ends abruptly without showing them kiss, and live happily ever after.. he's goes on as just a cog in the machine, and all 3 continue their separate lives. It seems as if they all reunite again forever, and carmen, rico will be in love again happily ever after... but they don't. Very strange ending that I never know how to feel about. which is why I love it so much.
Cult classic in it’s truest form ❤😊
The game Helldivers 2 popularity is proof how much ahead of its time was that franchise.
The only good bug is a dead bug!!
Jonny fell in love with the wrong girl , Carmen didn’t love him!! Dizzy adored Johnny , she would’ve given her life for Johnny! Carmen on the other hand would’ve sacrifice Johnny…..🎤
wtf? you're reading too much into it. She did him a favor. Carmen always expressed desire to go into fleet whereas Johnny was aimless and was just follwing his friends. She saw that and saved him the heartache before it got too serious.
@@yapeseguy9261 I disagree , Johnny was not aimless , He joined the mobile infantry because of Carmen , he Loved her that much! Chick couldn’t even tell him she loved him, after he told her while they were at the train /space station , so he grabbed her , spun her around then told her , “ Try it on for size” she mumbled it out , Johnny was very focused! Dizzy was better for Johnny, She looked him in the eyes and told him: “ I LOVE YOU JOHNNY” ,without being coerced…..🎤
@@kevinleftridge8241 Yes, you’re absolutely right!
@@ninobrown4658 thank you.
I had mixed feelings on it. Dual. Duality.
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Verhoeven couldn't make it through the book and thought, "well if I have to tell a fascistic story, I'm gonna satirize it", so he built a perfect fascist world.
Good call.
Their world looks pretty good though, nothing seemed unpleasant other than the jingoism. School wasn't a propaganda machine. People with no military service were living very comfortable lives, seemed the Federation wasn't abusive.
@@BanthisyoutubeI agree.
@@wastrelperv Well yeah, it's a fascist utopia.
Which is a) literally an impossible place and b) implies that it was created by a total world war and the extermination of all the undesirables.
I mean, that's how you get an almost completely white Brazil with clichée American culture.
And it's not just jingoism but racism/cultural chauvinism/social Darwinism which has always justified fascist eternal expansionism and exterminationism.
And we get just enough hints about civilian life that they are clearly treated as second class citizens in more ways than what they outright show (no vote, no kids, participation in the total war).
Oh and they literally had something like a civics school lesson where they mix history, politics and moral education to hammer home how violence is the supreme authority, dedication to the state is virtuous, while alternative views and "social sciences" are ridiculed or viewed as dangerous.
@@Banthisyoutube For all his hate of the book, I'm surprised Verhoeven did not portray it worse than that.
Iirc, in the book, it was federal service in general, not just military service.
@@Banthisyoutubethat's called having "skin in the game" some philosopher said democracy would be dead the day people realized they could just vote themselves what ever social benefits they wanted and make others pay for it.
I‘m 100% sure that the redirected asteroid was actually the one hit by carmen with her ship
it was
It's also important to know that the two people the main characters fall in love with who actually want to be with them and who might change them for the better die. Leaving Rico and Carmon with one another, both of them totally entrapped by the jingoistic nature of the state that they both willingly and lovingly now serve. Carmen lead to ricos downfall upon joining the military, and now with dizz gone, all he has left is her... A woman he doesn't even love him the way he loves her.
And doggy houser is a space Nazi.
A cog in the war machine? Seems like he took Rasczak's advice about the freedom to think and choose for oneself to heart every chance he got.
Also the war just started, no one is going home any time soon.
Yeah the guy who made the video doesnt understand the story clearly.
@@rorymcgregor625 Just like Paul Verhoeven, unsurprisingly.
@@speabody I enjoy the movie, but I have to think of it as a different thing than the book. It would be nice to see something more faithful to the book but I doubt it.
@@rorymcgregor625 Currently reading the novel in fact. The well-known disparity between the source material and Verhoeven's (intended) parody is what inspired me to buy it. The audience liking the movie unironically is satisfaction enough, despite his intentions.
Though I must say it takes a while to get going. I'm almost 100 pgs in and Rico is *still* in training camp.
What are you talking about? The war is a sham. Rico is now a pawn serving the needs of an authoritative government that is enacting war and basically genocide and colonialism. He is not free. He is brainwashed.
Eh. I would say he had no direction other than being Carmen's puppy
Honestly to me I don't feel like they even had a relationship to me it was like a high school fling then they went separate ways then Rico got with that other girl which didn't make sense cause it wasn't clear if they had broke up or if it was cause he was cheating on her or what. But when they did meet up to me it was an awkward meet up with a hi bye vibe instead of the "let's get dinner together then bang and catch up on lost times" type of vibe.....that's just what I got from that tbh.
Diz was a FAR better catch than that Barbie clone Carmen
😂😂😂 that's one interpretation. One an entitled walnut would come to, but it's a point of view
Are you the walnut?
What kept Rico alive was his rage and anger against the bugs.
Denis Richards was banging back in the day. Between 007 and starship
He literally has no home to go back to. The military and the war gave him new life and purpose and he was doing great at it at the end. Its a message of hope if anything. Only downers see it as sad.
He learns that there are things more important than himself and EARNS his citizenship.
Or...he likes his current job and is proud of it.
Like, my whole life I wanted to be a teacher. but when I found out the money in electrical construction I decided to stay there. I try to recruit everyone to construction. That doesn't mean i regressed, it means I found the fun and money in my current job
The movie is a satire on how dangerous it is to blindly buy into propaganda.
So, Rico did lose in the end by becoming a cog in the war machine.
@@TheVeritas1and the movie failed.
@@jamesbrice6619
The film actually succeeds as satire. The problem was timing.
Starship Troopers debuted in the relatively peaceful and prosperous 1990s when it seemed new global conflicts and the related propaganda were a thing of the past. This mindset was especially strong in America. So, Starship Troopers was a hard sell.
Then, the 9/11 attacks happened, followed by the War on Terror. Which led to lots of propaganda that many people fell for.
@@TheVeritas1He did not "lose" in the end, you only think that because you're closed-minded and nihilistic. He's a warrior. You wouldn't get it.
@@Felix-ix7ic
Rico is cannon fodder as far as the Terran Federation is concerned. They use propaganda to convince their soldiers to believe otherwise.
What's scary is how many people in real life fall for this.
I'm so lucky I got to see this on the big screen.
The brain bug in this movie gave me nightmares
They have those now.
The Brain Bug probably had nightmares about us as well.
Starship troopers is one of my favourite movies. Love the soundtrack and its a fun film to watch . Classic film
The movie bore small resemblance to the book. It needs to be redone properly. Juan Rico is Filipino and speaks Tagalog along with his father, who joined up after Johnny's mom was killed while visiting Buenos Aires. The bugs weren't just big dumb mobsters, they had ships and weapons. Plus the Mobile Infantry was called such because of their powered armor which let them jump long distances and move at vehicle speed.
Good job spoiling half of the surprises for anyone who might have considered reading it for themselves.
@@cameronmccoy5051Sounds like the basics
The bugs were still much the same but pseudo arachnids used weapons sometimes but it was unclear whether it was natural or constructed ..there was another race that assisted them as well at first that were more human like called the skinnies
The movie is a satire of what the book pretend be.
The movie wasn’t originally going to be based on the book at all, but the studio got the rights to the book so verhoeven decided to make a satire of what he saw as the fascist ideology in the book.
Back in the late 90s when it first came out we called it Starship Troopers 90210.
There seems to have been a number of movies made many years ago that end up being prophetic. This one could be yet another one.
I always felt him and Carmen kind of drifted apart after boot camp or whatever, at least that's what I felt cause to me it seemed like the chemistry wasn't there after they kind of went to their new posts and what not.
I heard it was because the test audience hated Carmen which is why her and Rico didn't get back together
@@seanemery1917 thats the first I'm hearing about that, I mean it's possible but honestly I felt like there was just a quick relationship and a totally awkward situation each time they'd meet up again like they were in some sort of high school relationship where when they saw each other it was super awkward if you can even call it a relationship. Then I was under the impression they had broken up or something and Rico got with that other girl or Carmen found out he cheated which lead to the break up and awkwardness. Idk their whole fling/relationship was always confusing to me and I never sensed they were a real couple that just had different jobs to do cause again the rest of the time they did meet up it was more of a hi bye thing instead of "hey it's been awhile let's get a coffee or dinner then bang" type of thing.
@@paulperry9861 It's what I read on TV Tropes since apparently they wanted her to die
@@seanemery1917 dang that's crazy I mean really that would make a lot of sense cause honestly in some ways she really became pointless after a certain point of the movie.
@@paulperry9861 True, and it also explains that CGI film where Dizzy's ghost tries to encourage Rico to fight the Bugs on Mars. To be honest, I really didn't like Dizzy, and not only that it turns out Dizzy was a guy in the original novel which makes it awkward
The narrator never read the book. The world was a highly disciplined civilization. The government and the people were balanced: both free, yet dutiful to the society.
He’s not a cog in the war machine he is a dedicated soldier achieving heroic deeds.
See you on the bounce, trooper!
Be like Rico. Be a hero. Become a helldiver
Screw that, Join the Mobile Infantry and DO. YOUR. PART.
Along with Italian socialist philosopher Giovanni Gentile, Benito Mussolini is the father of fascism. Together, they wrote a book titled "Doctrine of Fascism", within which their motto of fascism reads as follows: "Everything within the State, nothing outside of the State, nothing against the State".
Throughout the entire Starship Troopers movie, you see this motto guiding all propaganda and mentality (ideological culture), legal and political systems and decisions: soldiers are disposable because they're fighting for a greater entity which is the State (i.e. soldiers lose their lives to keep the State "alive"); you're not a citizen (i.e. you don't become a formal member of that State-controlled society, you're not accepted by your peers as a person, a comrade and member of that society) until you join the Armed Forces to prove that you're willing to put your life at stake in the name of protecting the State; everything against the State must be destroyed with a capital punishment; and so on.
Nazism was a German type of fascism. The officers in Starship Troopers wear uniforms almost identical to those wore by SS officers in the 1940's Nazi Germany.
There are dozens of interviews out there with Starship Troopers' director Paul Verhoeven stating that this movie's main purpose is to mock fascism. One example is Leigh Singer's interview titled "Starship Troopers 20 years on: Director Paul Verhoeven reveals how his movie predicted Donald Trump", published by Digital Spy on November 2017.
I watched this movie back in 1997 and I understood that the director was pretty much mocking fascism, because fascism "screams" in your face all the time throughout the entire movie. Yet, during these (currently more than) 2.5 decades since this movie came out, I've lost count of how many people showed up struggling to identify this movie's elements of fascism and to understand what this movie is about. I wonder why this happens, but I suspect that it does because we all live in fascistoid societies: like in Jim Carrey's "The Truman Show" movie, we sense the issues within our reality, but such reality is so internalized and normalized in us that we struggle to realize its true form with all of its actual issues.
Interesting point
@@coldstream11 Thank you.
The Bugs attacked first, the Terran Federation response was justified and necessary.
Duh
On that note, a popular fan theory about the film is that the attack on Buenos Aires was a false flag operation by the human government to justify a war with the Bugs.
This isn't a crazy idea. The Bugs in the film launch asteroids that travel so slowly that they would take millennia to hit Earth. Such asteroids could easily be intercepted and destroyed by human starships.
They werent warned because comms were down. They went down when Carmen dodged the asteroid.@@TheVeritas1
@@yapeseguy9261
An asteroid that big entering Earth's solar system would still be hard to miss. Even NASA in our century could detect it weeks or even months before it hit.
now you're bringing our reality into the movie. there wasn't much time that had passed in between the dodging of the asteroid and the destruction of Buenos Aires. The lines in the movie where captain say to "contact fleet and warn them of the asteroid heading their way" is put there for the audience to explain why Earth has no warning of an attack. I doubt the writers know the reality of asteroids and how they're very detectable. They're just stupid hollywood writers, not scientists. Not even the director wanted to read the book which is why they misinterpreted the meaning of the story and turned into to a propaganda parody piece.
@@TheVeritas1
Well we need someone like him, kindness ain't gonna kill invaders
Well that’s a pathetic understanding of life. Rico has obviously character leveled beyond you.
Into his role as fodder for the enteral war of fascism. Hooray??
In Singapore kids swing by the mall on the way home after school. They didn't hang out for four hours, they went home to do their homework. It is socially unacceptable to not do well in school.
It amazes me that the director never got the Libertarian joke that is at the center of the book; fortunately, the screenwriter *DID* get the joke, and it definitely shows!
For more on this, be sure to check out Sargon of Akkad's review of the movie.
What nonesense are you speaking?
@@coldstream11 I had a hyperlink to *_The Politics of Starship Troopers_* but the RUclips comment Bot deleted it apparently.
Ricoh isn't just a cog, he has purpose, and will make a difference, keeping many people alive.
The book is unironically good
"just a cog in the military machine"?
Or
"Finally found purpose and a place to serve humanity"?
The whole movie is madw of layers of duality
I'm here cuz I'm a Helldiver.
Says you, this is why new movies are so pussyfied. Everything cool/badass is considered bad, evil, or immature.
The movie is silly, the creator made it that way on purpose. Nothing changed
It wasn't until years later that the point of the movie fully clicked with me. But even at the time, when I saw the slogan "they'll keep fighting, and they'll win", I thought on one hand, it was a cheap way to end the movie, but on the other, we are deliberately left with knowing that more and more bodies are just going to keep getting poured into the fight.
We're just gonna fight forever I guess.
“The only good bug is a dead bug”
There's many different kinds of hierarchies. Economic, power, social. A soldier becoming a good soldier that leads others in a time and place where they can barely function physically and mentally due to pure stress and getting them out alive isn't a sad ending for a soldier. It's the top of the pyramid. Only from the perspective of another hierarchy could it be considered sad. Just like I would consider a rich old man that had everything handed to them in life a sad existence. Their probably happy they got to sit in the top of the wealth hierarchy and feel pitty at the poors himself.
Why can't people accept that Rico was in love with Carmen? Only she interested him! And Carmen loved him too, and this became clear when she found out about his fake death! They loved each other, while Dizzy and Zander were just emotional buffers!
Saying hes just another cog is underselling hes grown up and his mindset is more about whats best for others, rather than whats best for himself.
"MEDIIIIIC!"
In the book he joined the Mobile infantry because no other branch of the service would have him and the MI were the "Catch all service"
No, no, I do think that is quite the happy ending. He rose above tragedy to become a fighter and a hero for his people.
Well, if your species is on the verge of extinction, being a cog in the war machine is a good thing. Being a famous hero cog that pulls in recruits is even better.
An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred and unguarded.
You forget the part when the woman ☕ gets layed down by another man.
maybe that was a deleted scene because i didnt see that part. she flirted with a guy then broke it off with rico. that's a hell of a lot better than cheating on him and ghosting him.
I mean, Rico nearly quit but stayed in the fight because his home was wiped off the map. His initial hesitation and green instincts nearly got him killed on his first mission. Had he not joined, he'd be dead along with the rest of his hometown.
Fascinating: the entire movie is a gross misunderstanding of the book, but here we are with the person making this having a gross misunderstanding of the movie.
Ironically, the book ends in almost the same way as the movie, but there's clearly an ocean of subtext and nuance that some people don't or won't get.
plus all the characters watched people in the positions they are in now die, my head cannon is that they meet similar fates
So.... He was confused and directionless at the start then by accident found who he is and is living out a meaningful life protecting his planet, avenging his family and has a successful career.... I mean, he wasn't exactly gonna be curing cancer with math scores like his.
Yeah, he's so "sad and traumatized" in Traitor of Mars.
DAM YOU LOOPER, FOR TRYING TO CANCEL NERDRODTIC AND CRITICAL DRINKER.
This is the problem with the hero's journey. Those who truly are heroes don't think they are. Those who aren't will never understand. If there is no sufferings, changing of the character or trials, you aren't a hero.
Is Rico part of the war machine? Yeah. That tends to happen. Without people like him, the war machine fails to work. as it should. And there is no reason to not fight back against an alien force that views you as a threat and has the ability to launch explosive masses of plasma interstellarly and annihilate major cities on your home planet to make you understand, this isn't just a matter of the industrial military complex picking fights for people to die in, and money to be laundered into special interests. Frodo Baggins comes to mind. If he could just go back to being a normal hobbit of the Shire, you think he would? I do. While he can know he did a great thing for Middle Earth, it cost him having his mind warped by powers beyond his understanding, a stab wound that will always hurt, never heal, and may get worse over time, and he lost half of his right index finger to do, not to mention all the nightmare fuel sights he experienced, and fear inducing situations, the loneliness, betrayal, pain, and the knowledge that, in the end, he nearly caved to the power of the One Ring. When you look at it from that end, it looks sad.
It was a fun movie, but after reading the book they lost the entire point of the story. Rico learns civic virtue through his years in the military and understands why only citizens are allowed to participate in the government of his time. The movie also glosses over the fact that they can leave the military service whenever they want without shame they just return to civilian life never to participate in government.
Mother was killed, in the book his father survives and joins up at the end
That is until he gets promoted to General. xD
Not only this but he doesn't end up with Carmen and Diz, who was a better match for him, died.
Well the bugs did throw a rock at em
One things for sure: they didn’t need any of those sequels…. And running the “ franchise “ down to a crappy cartoon is a great way to kill the cult popularity of the first film.
Wants follow his crush she goes equivalent to navy he goes marines. Just for chance he'd get to spend time on her ship.😂
Idk why some people hate this movie…it’s fun! It’s cool! I like the characters and the story. I’m not sure what there is to hate
R.I.P. Dizzy...
It isn't sad when you realized what the result was in the very end after so many years. The original novel ended on a cliffhanger. Because they never wanted the story to be finished. They wanted it to be what could possibly be. But modern authors and artists just can't be happy with the concept of the ending where we don't know with the real truth of it. All was because there are a bunch of losers
I love how you have to explain to us like we are marching morons or something. . .
Sometimes being a part of something bigger than yourself, like the Military, is what gives life meaning.
The satiric war dystopia was sad in the end?
Commies...
You Are Incorrect
I agree and I think to further add to this, Rico's character is a subtle tragic character. He lost his parents, Diz and a shit load of his friends on the battle field and essentially becomes fully integrated into endless war to fuel a Fascist Government.
Except the government isn't Fascist in the least and humanity is defending itself in a war of extermination started by the bugs.
Thanks for telling everyone you have no understanding of the setting beyond what Verhoeven and brain dead troglodytes parrot.
This isn't sad at all. It's exhibits the growth of teenager into manhood.
One of the greatest films of all time.
Good analysis
I would love a remake of Starship Troopers but with the story more loyal to the novel. For the movie it was a seriously exaggerated and perverted version of Heinlands work. He was NOT advocating racism but rather a political view in opposition to modern liberalism. What he thought of was basically a meritocracy, where you earned the right to vote by proving you cared more about the wellbeing of your society than you did your own person self or ambitions. Federal Service was meant to be a filter where you proved you cared by putting your own body and life on the line for your people and nation. He posited in the novel that human history was an exercise in deciding where to place the right to rule: sovereign franchise, and that each previous system had failed each for their own reasons. He actually predicted the degeneracy that we now suffer from today, and solved it by requiring service to earn the vote. The people in charge would be the ones that had proven that they cared about their society, regardless of their opinions, religions, values, race, gender, intelligence…because not matter these things, the one thing that matters most is character….that you CARE. Without that, all that other stuff doesn’t matter. The Terran Federation was successful because it placed the people who cared above the rest, and it worked. I love movie but I really love the novel.
No one said it was about racism.
Its a Satire of Fascism not Nazism
Yeah, that was the whole point of the film.
In a deleted scene, Carmen and Rico get back together. I wish they kept it.
This movie is genius on so many levels
I get that it was his fault the trooper died but that helmet wouldn’t of stopped shit. It went directly into his eyeball. He would of died anyways
Rico's ending was sad because Carmen had no heart.
In my wildest dreams I would love a remake of this movie from Diz point of view lol… please don’t do it, but it’s a nice thought.
The original character was actuality flippino
Every man needs a woman like Dizzy. Carmen was the distraction 💯
Analyses like this one, are exactly the reason why you Channel has fall out of relevance.
I’m not saying it’s wrong, but maybe Rico found his place in the military, saving the human race and been a leader for good.
Nontheless your channel always sticks with the postmodernist view… that what’s sad and has brought your own ending
I'm subbed to Looper just to read the clip titles just as an investor would watch Jim Cramer's Mad Money. Where everything stated by the hosts is the exact opposite. I watched this clip as Starship Troopers was a goldmine for memes for anti-war and pro-war.
Addressing the video directly, he states near the end that "initially as an open minded as Rico, he becomes a cog in the war machine." The entire premise of the movie is an unprovoked ALIEN INVASION OF EARTH with humanity hitting the hive on another planet to mitigate a future attack. Making their premise intellectually bankrupt to call them a war machine while PREVENTING A GENOCIDE. It would be akin to denigrating those fighting against the Nazi's as the evil war machine cogs.
Well said
Oh I thought the ending was sad because this movie didn't have sequel but it's for the best for this film doesn't get one
Verhoven wanted to make a movie about fascism, he chose to make that movie about Starship Troopers. Starship Troopers is about a liberal utopia.
through repair the cog stays sharp
Couldn’t we say he just believes in the cause now?
What if he finds purpose in military life? Is this still a sad ending? Dude seems very at home among troops.
Following, Rico Become Colonel in Starship Troopers 3 and destroy main bug brain with marauders programs ! 😏