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- Before Christmas, I got a package from Lacuna. It contains this small module that should be capable of transmitting sensor data to a LoRa satellite and last for a few months with this battery. After my last experience with FossaSat-1, I am skeptical. Do you want to accompany me on the journey?
We all were disappointed when FossaSat-1 did not work. I would have loved to transfer a LoRa message from a 20 dollar sensor node via satellite to my computer before the turn of the decade. FossaSat-1 showed that many problems have to be solved before we can transfer a message via satellite. But let’s have a quick look at who sent me this package.
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this is amazing. I've secretly being waiting for something like this to kickstart a new age of amateur radio transmission.
We will see how it will continue... interesting times.
I love how it combines all Maker passions - the hardware side, software ingenuity, radio wireless comms using digital protocols, and especially outer space tech - its a Maker tour de force.
Even something like a dedicated repeater has to address having a receiving antenna and transmitting antenna operating in close physical proximity - those industrial grade repeater installations up on mountain tops are really something - now condense that concept down into a tiny, affordable LoRa gadget - couple to a solar panel and appropriate battery, a weather proof enclosure - then spread them across the land on rooftops like a modern day Johnny Appleseed planting apple trees across a continent
@@TheSulross yes definitely your right, i think about all of our radiotower they are just carrying wireless data connection .. and most have still power and space for some ham "gadgets"
Congrats on getting the Lora satellite message, happy 2020 :-)
Happy 2020 to you, too!
Excellent video, incredible that it is possible for we makers to communicate globally... Happy 2020 !
And with so small power and antennas... Happy 2020 to you, too!
Makers have been able to do this for years, but now it is consumer-off-the-shelf.
Congrats for succeding with your first message to space Andreas. And for everybody, Happy new year! Feliz 2020!
Happy 2020 to you, too!
LoRa became a 1960' thriller series, I wait for the next episode.
Lately I had a lot of LoRa. Now it is time for something else...
Apparently LoRA space race has begun.. amazing how rapidly lora grew and now reached space.
2020 is going to be interesting:).
Alles gut... und danke Andreas!
You are welcome! The last few year were quite interesting for the Maker community...
Finally, it works ✨✨. I just can't imagine the joy you felt receiving the first message.
Wish you a Very Happy New Year 2020.
I also wish you a happy and successful 2020!
Amazing results - Congrats on the excellent video
Thank you!
Andreas is better than Netflix! Thanks for sharing this adventure. All the best for 2020.
Thank you. But if you ask my wife, she still prefers Netflix. Good for me. Then I have time for my projects;-)
Great video Andreas .... Congratulations Lacuna Space team... This will be breakthrough in LPWAN use case deployments...
It is for special cases only and we will see if they will get enough paying customers. I wish them the best.
Thank you Andreas! Congratulations in your success of sending and receiving a message before 2020. Thanks for taking me on your quest too, it's appreciated more than you realize.
You are welcome. I also was glad to get it done this year...
I could see so many applications for this in research. Being able to put inexpensive sensors in extremely remote locations, and have them call home only every so often, without need for expensive sat phone hardware would be amazing.
They have now already three satellites and I get more than one pass per day.
I love using my satellite whiteout paying 😊😊 is really possible and I truste that's where am living I can hatch stuff without getting problem ! I'm drawing a sketch by watching a lot of video in RUclips, but you are the best person who I wish to see on day ! Thank you so much Mr Andreas
You never know...
@@AndreasSpiess knows abouts ?
You will see me one day...
Again, really interesting. The next decade sure looks promising when it comes to space, sensors and IoT. Happy 2020 !
Happy 2020 for you, too!
Yeah, i saw the presentation of the sx1262, like it was some sort a miracle, now I'm little disappointed with it. Thanks for the first insights Herr Spiess! I wish for you and your family happy new year, good health, and many more interesting videos! Best regards
I also wish you a Happy New Year!
Congratulation on your 2019 success. Continued wishes for further 2020 success Andreas! Amazing times.
You are right! I also wish you a Happy 2020!
Your videos are a sunday morning hilight for me. Keep them coming. All the best for the new decade.
Thank you! And a Happy New Year for you, too.
This is marvellous. Would be very useful on a remote trip to be able to send a brief message (e.g. gps position) once a day.
There are a few such scenarios. For wild animals, for example...
yes, this technology is amazing, would be very cool if the space technology will skyrock in 2020
Not everybody seems to be happy with this fact ;-)
@@AndreasSpiess well, no one could stop the progress ;-) I'm dreaming about a world where everyone could launch his own satellite for under $1000 and use it, like having a PC. Space technology boom could be the next step after informational technology boom which we've experience for the past few decades. Actually this is already happening, Elon Musk is launching payloads into space very very cheap compared to others, also do not forget about the Starlink project.
@@meteor8076 yeah but SHOULD you be able to? Space is already crowed with space debris and yunk..if you put one up, you can't take it down again (the small ones)
And a happy 2020 to you Andreas. Interesting LoRa times ahead.
I also wish you a Happy 2020!
Happy 2020 for you too !!!
You might know you vídeos are very well done and contribut a lot for a new technology point of view perspective.
Congrats!!!!
Thank you. And a happy 2020 to you, too!
Love your videos Andreas. But enough LoRa for now! 😉 A nice home automation type project would be good 👍
ruclips.net/channel/UCLecVrux63S6aYiErxdiy4wfeatured
You are right. But sometimes I am taken away by interesting things. And they happened now... We will see what next topics are on the list ;-)
Hi Andreas,
awesome video as usual. It will for sure be an interesting coming decade for us makers.
We will see if this channel will be around in 2030 and when, which topics are covered ;-)
It´s good to know this technology works!!. It will inprove telemetry from remote hydro and pluvio stations, and other applications too. Good things are comming. Congratulations for your work and thank you for sharing your results. Happy New 2020!!
You are welcome and Happy 2020 to you, too!
I been looking at getting started with Lora transmission and I think this video has made it more appeling.
To think that sattellate data transfer can be achived through a simple Lora node is extremely interesting.
Glad you liked it!
Congratulations on your LoRa communication to a satellite, again an educational video
Thank you. Glad you like it.
Happy 2020 from India. Keep on showing excellent and very informative videos
Thank you. Happy 2020 to you, too!
Cool tech! Und einen guten Rutsch Andreas!!!
Ich wünsche dir ebenfallls einen guten Rutsch!
Happy 2020 and keep those excellent videos rolling in.
I wish you a very happy 2020. Thanks for sharing !
You are welcome. And a happy 2020 for you, too!
Interesting video and at the same time promising technology!!! This new approach really opens the door to many new applications/opportunities. Happy holidays to all! Happy new year Andreas!
Happy New Year to you, too!
Well done Andreas! 👏👏👏 A new era is born!
Let's hope they will find enough paying customers...
@@AndreasSpiess this is cutting edge at the moment, but all of the technologies involved are mature enough - this is the 21st C equivalent of Alexander Graham Bell putting extant components together to make something new from them. We can't yet dream of what they will be needed for, but tiny data from connected sensors is already becoming more widespread, and whether it is sheep counting in the remote Australian outback to drift experiments in the middle of the Atlantic ocean, someone somewhere will need it!
Another informative video, thank you Andreas. Best wishes for 2020
Thank you. A Happy new Year for you, too!
Fantastic athivement
A Happy New Year to you too
Thanks for sharing
You are welcome. A Happy 2020 for you, too. And thank you for your many comments!
Happy New Year ! And I am happy too that lora works with satellites.
Happy New Year, too!
What is approximate cost per message?
I do not know the pricing model yet. You have to ask them. But maybe they still have to decide...
Andreas Spiess i think it will be free by fossasat
A some teams want to use IOTA crypto to pay for messages without transaction fees so probably about 1¢ for 10 MB of data
@@yagoa That kind of cost makes Lora even more appeling to the layman.
@@AlanMedina314 that is more the immutable storage part, using bitcoin is more like 100$
Lovely details about this project
:-)
The guy with the swiss accent is the best.
:-)
Well done Andreas! Wishing you and your family a prosperous and Happy New Year!
Thank you. I wish you and your family a Happy 2020, too!
Fantastic! Well done Andreas!
Thank you!
Happy new year Andreas Spiess!! Please keep making those awesome videos..
Thank you. Happy 2020 to you, too!
Wishing you a happy and prosperous New Year.
I also wish you a happy 2020!
Thank you Andreas for all the great stuff you do and share.
Happy 2020 !
A guy with a french accent ;-)
You are welcome and Happy 2020 for you, too
Nice to see it works.
Yes, that is what I thought, too.
thanks i will continue to look this solution for my boat while at sea to send daily message my position and status eg including sinking SOS etc as back up to eperb SOS solutions
Interesting concept.
Wow!
I am amazed.
This is good stuff.
perfect video.. thank you sir.
You are welcome!
the future has (finally) arrived... Can't wait to try it
I did not want to wait to tell it to my viewers. I am an early tester, so you have to wait till the official launch of the service :-(
Got it working just before 2019 expired! Outstanding! How can we reproduce this?
Because I am an early tester you have to wait a little till the service is fully operating...
Is Lacuna available to the public yet? Seems more like they're partnered with enterprises rather than making themselves accessible to us makers. Congrats on this achievement, it's amazing the things you are accomplishing and publishing to RUclips so regularly. I'm in awe.
@LabCat nothing ever is, but they don't provide a way to take my money from what I can see.
For the moment I do not know their pricing policy. I made this video because for me, the proof that lora can be used in space was relevant. As I mentioned, maybe most makers will not use Lacuna's services we still hope for Fossasat, for example...
Love it ! looking to make my graduate project on this
Watch the timing. The system is in test phase for the moment.
This is so exciting.
True!
Cool finger pointer 👆😆
Thank you!
Great video as always. Happy New Year and thank you.
I wish you a Happy New Year, too!
Danke. Einen guten Rutsch!
Bitte, gern geschehen. Ich hab gedacht dass ich das dieses Jahr noch bringen muss. Ich wünsche ebenfalls einen guten Rutsch!
this 4 legged device let me smile, so a innocent "device" :D
:-)
Vielen dank für die tollen infos, es ist so schön zuzusehen und deine Kommentare wie z.b schläft wie ein Schüler der am morgen wieder zur Schule muss, dein Aufbau auf dem Wäscheständer so genial und praktisch! Hey viele Grüße aus Baden-Baden, sehen wir uns dieses Jahr wieder auf der UKW Tagung in Weinheim? 73 de dg5gaf, der dessen Azubis deine Videos anschauen:-)
Hallo Uwe, vielen Dank für deine netten Worte. Ich habe im Moment keine Reisepläne. Aber wenigstens habe ich mit ein DMR Gerät und einen Hotspot für meinen Keller angeschafft. So bin ich nach 40 Jahren wieder QRV...
Your hilarious. At the end you said have a good 2020.
I had a good 2020. A lot of time for my projects ;-)
There will be more Amateur LoRa satellites for sure
We will see. But the technology is quite cheap and the huge link budget compelling for low power nodes.
@@AndreasSpiess It is too compelling to ignore. Amateurs have some very good weak signal modes of their own, but no ten dollar complete solutions like LoRa.
Very interesting , l am following the LoRa progress ..but it is a sad 2020 for all of us. I had planned for a total eclipse of the sun in Chile on Dec 14 2020. Everything is gone.
For me the 2020 is ok. I had a lot of additional time for projects ;-) But my journey to the Pamir also was cancelled.
This got me thinking that considering what a bunch of boys without background and very little money have done I think is remarkable, uh?
No point of comparison, but still there. I wish in the future Fossasat have more support and stay free (and Everis the only supporter stays with them)
I think, for Fossasat you are right. Lacuna on the other hand has a very experienced crew...
WAY TO GO !!!!!!! 73 N8AUM
73 de HB9BLA
Happy 2020, from the guy with the American Southern accent! :-)
A Happy 2020 to you, too!
even some slow speed not 100% realtime APRS could help in case of stolen car, we have here in brazil in the outback huge areas without coverage of cell pager or whatever
I had some success with Apple trackers with our stolen bicycles (I made 2 short videos about it).
Congratulations ! Problem is that it is going to be harder and harder to beat distances record now. Next target ? The moon ? The ISS ?
My record was done 3 years ago and on earth. The moon would be cool ;-)
This is incredible. What's the forecasted price of the hardware (you said $20 but surely the antenna will increase it) and data link?
I do not have an update on this project. You have to ask Lacuna.
I wish you a very happy new year, an look forward to more both useful and interesting videos in the year to come.. By the way I managed to replicate the lab cat low energy mode, she sleeps al day to concerve energy, I also programed her to use interrupt based wake up, just shake the cat food container and she wakes up imidiatly... Happy new year from up north..
They seem to have very sensitive built-in microphones ;-) Happy New Year to you, too!
+1 for the cat
:-)
cat "tishka" (russian : Тишка) :D :D
I think in Russian it would be "тишина" , "Тишка" is Bulgarian and means "silence", like the mentioned Russian word. 😉🤓
😅 According to 5:25 this name fits very well.😂
Actually, Tishka is a diminutive form of the Tikhon, men's name. And it's quite common nickname for male cats in Russia.
@@sagit0007 Thank you for the clarification, I couldn't find "Tishka" in my Russian dictionaries.I thought about that too, because of "Babushka", but I wasn't quiet sure if I was on the right track.
Тишка, Хрюшка и Степашка.
Моего кота тоже звали - Тишка. всплакнул
You could replace the laptop with a raspberry pi for logging serial data if possible , on an enclosure and ssh to it. Congrats on capture on signal :D LoRa could be the future of DYI forecasting or even fire prevention if using on forest to track temperature changes.
This would have been good for the cold weather ;-) Later it should be possible to deploy the system without Serial. You even can disable Serial in the sketch to save a little more energy.
Really it's a great success. This will break distance barrier for devices. One query, how much time satellite will take to relay back the received data?
It depends where the next ground station is. Here it was a few minutes. I assume they have a ground station in Holland or in the UK
Waktu Telah Tiba....
untuk apa?
Lacuna matata!
Love your videos and just subscribed. Have been learning more about Lora and you have been a great help in this journey. I'm trying to create my own project but atm I have a very basic question. Can we use other Satellites/ Gateways to get info about our devices. Like lets say I have 8 devices I want to track in another country and I want to see their location ( don't need live location) from an website/app.
As I said great channel and keep going.
The TTN network is global. As long as your LoRa signal can be received by a gateway, you will get the messages
Serial connection don't wake up ...don't work 😆😆😆😆 but least it works 😂 I wanna build weather station now lol
Congrats Andreas!...pity FossaSat-1 wasnt planned well...but i guess something better will go up soon enough..
have you thought about using other sats (amature or defunct/pirated) to bounce your signals off?...i know it wont be LoRa..but it should already be possible...
I am not too much in satellites (I cannot mount antennas). I was interested in this particular topic because of LoRa's huge link budget which enables us to build cheap and small sensor nodes.
Thks & Amazing but it would seem doing the signal processing via software or FPGA would be better than thru a CPU.
The LoRa modules still contain conventional receivers, not SDRs
At the higher ISM (900 vs. 433) frequencies, doppler shift will be a bigger issue, especially at lower apparent elevations when the path length is changing more rapidly. I wonder if the space segment receivers have any special tweaks to deal with this? I'm not familiar enough with the LoRa waveform/modulation envelope to know if it would be particular sensitive or tolerant of doppler shift. Thanks again for the very interesting video!
LoRa seems to be well suited for doppler effect related problems because of its chirp technology. And I know from Thomas that they worked with Semtech on this problem.
Excellent
Thank you!
Excellent contenu !
Thank you!
Nice...success!!
:-)
amazing! thanks
You are welcome!
Wonderfull
Thank you!
Technical question : does the decade start at year xyz0 or xyz1 ?Anyway, the year starts on Januray 1rst ! So happy new year ;)
I do not care too much about the definition. For me it is this week ;-)
Decade ends Dec 31, 2019
Amazing
Yes!
Hi Andreas! Any updates on this? It's been about 3 years and I'd love to be able to buy one of these Lacuna modules or something.
I lost contact with Lacuna. So you have to ask them directly.
Toll dass es geklappt hat. Die Signalstärke oder die SNR wird zwar nicht angezeigt, aber intern sind diese sicherlich verfügbar. Was kommt beim Satelliten bei 600-400km Entfernung, Richtantenne und 100mW an, -140dB oder weniger? Wird beim Satelliten ein LNA mit Saw Filter eingesetzt für die Signaloptimierung? Wäre toll, wenn sie Mal ein Video dazu machen könnten, wie man sich ein lna+saw Filter für 868mhz löten kann. Würde ich gerne für Lora und flarm nutzen. Auf dem lokalen Markt gibt es kaum käufliches bzw preiswertes aber die Einzelteile sind verfügbar.
Ich weiss nicht wie der Emfänger aufgebaut ist. Hier gibt es einen 868MHz Filter, wenn man einen braucht: www.aliexpress.com/item/32854454729.html
@@AndreasSpiess merci, ja den kenne ich. Und den gibt's auch noch www.passion-radio.com/ism/868-saw-830.html aber 3dB Verlust finde ich nicht so ermutigend. Aktuell nutze ich den sdr RTL v3 Stick, aber ich werde evtl zur Sicherheit auf einen günstigeren stick wechseln oder den Antennenabstand vergrößern, da ich doch Sorge habe, dass der Eingang vom sdr kaputt geht durch den sehr nahen airband Sender...
@ Andreas Spiess A great work sir. A big motivation for young Engineers to do research. I have a question can we achieve direct access to the geo satellites with this ? Is there any possibilities can you point out . Thankyou in advance . Have a great day God bless
No. You have to use other protocols. Maybe you watch my QO-100 video series
@@AndreasSpiess MAC layer protocols or any other protocol sir . Can you Exactly specify what does it mean . Thankyou in Advance .
Hello @Andreas,
There is also a french company/project name Kineis (www.kineis.com/en/how-it-works/) which will be based on a constellation of 25 satellites. 1st prototyppe sat has been launhed on Dec 18th 2019.
It is a follow-up on the ARGOS system which is well known world wide for tracking boats and which is also use low power beacons.
They also offer Kineis Adventure for tracking adventurers similar to SPOT system or PLB (Personal Locator Beacon).
Unfortunately they don mot provide any technical data. So it is hard to assess.
@@AndreasSpiess I have asked for more details. Let's see what they will provide. There is also an article on the French Wikipedia (fr.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kineis) with little details on the satellites (cubes 20cm each side, 650km, UHF + VHF + S band antennas). Nothing clear on the exact frequencies used.
This is very interesting. I could use this in Madagascar to monitor uptime of thousands of rural drinking water points. Let me know if you want to collaborate...
I am not affiliated with these satellite companies. So you have to contact them yourself.
fosa sat1 seems was working a day after your video
It still works. But not for the intended purpose because the antenna is not deployed. You need very big antennas and high power to reach it.
The DCF77 is protected by a sphinx ;)
Right. That I always have the correct time to release my videos ;-)
Andreas, great video and very exciting for you to receive a signal via sat!
You mentioned fossasat you need an armature licence but for lacuna you do not. Is that because of the frequency used by both? Is 436 part of the HAM bandwidth but 866- is not?
Greatly appreciate your videos
Yes. That is the reason
awesome.....!!
:-)
congrats to this success and big Milestone.
Ca. 30 years ago I visited ZDF in Mainz and learned that they had to pay ca. 20 times more for terrestrical distribution of their TV Programm than for distribution via satellite. So, if you are in the right economy in scale, satellite distribution will be beneficial.
Btw.: Will the TV stations reduce the fee, when the distribution is migrated to cable which is payed by the consumer himself?
I think, TV stations need every penny because their economy of scale implodes right now. Recently I was featured on the local TV and got one reaction outside "family and friends". So I assume nearly nobody was watching :-(
Happy 2020 Andreas, It is very interesting ! How did you connect the Lacuna device to your PC ? Hard&Soft ?
The board has a Serial connection and I used PUTTY. Nothing special. It anyway is planned to deploy it without any connection. Happy 2020 to you, too!
Andreas Spiess In the future without connection? But we will have sensors and also text message ‘hello world...’ why not BLE ?
Because, after deployment, the sensor does not need any connection, I do not think they want to add any power-consuming parts that are not needed. But since the design is open source, everybody can add what he wants.
@@AndreasSpiess if the goal is to build a small, inexpensive and very low energy tracker for slow equipments, its perfect !
Congratz! Thanks for sharing your knowledge :) question please : I would like to host my lorawan gateway to share an open network. Which equipment is a good starting point please? Thx
Loads of info on the TTN website under learn/gateways
Or my LoRa playlist.
I was wondering about polarization of the signal. The antenna on the satellite suggests linear polarization (simple dipole). If this is true, then won't you experience an additional loss with mis-matched polarizations - or are you using a circular polarized antenna and accepting the loss? I looked on the fossasat page for electrical design info, but didn't see anything related to this.
I accept the loss. A circular antenna would also not be the solution if the transmitter is linear.
thanks 4 vid
You are welcome!
Hi Andreas
Thank you for your awesome video! Cool to see that it is possible to really get it running. Is it somehow possible to also test that service for a research project, do you know that? Beside that request, I also got in contact with Lacuna directly, but didn't get an answer yet :-).
Gruess us de Schwiz!
I do not know and the direct contact is the way to go