What is a CHOP Aquaponics System?
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- CHOP stands for, Constant Height One Pump and it is a popular system for using aquaponics.
This system uses the fish tank overflow to fill the grow beds. This allows you to use one pump for the entire system which makes you even more sustainable and less reliant on electricity.
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My left ear thoroughly enjoyed this.
Not having a left speaker, neither ears understood what was being said.
Shawn Zogg I have the exact same problem :(
You're right.. Left ear audio
THis has to be the best explanation of the basic lay out of a aquaponics system. I have watched a dozen or so never as clear in my mind as this explanation does.
Is a CHIFT PIST system indeed & know as such in many places...
**nods**
Rupert is actually a very knowledgeable chap that has helped out hundreds of backyard growers for nix on & off forums including myself & doesn't charge a cent or try to sell products to solve problems :)
Hi Joey. In the system of Murray Hallam the height of the grow beds and fish tank are not important. (Thats the CH part of CHOP. Constant Height One Pump.) ALL water flows to the sump - from the grow beds AND from the fish tank. The water doesn't flow directly from the fish tank to the grow beds. The sump doesn't act as a filter at all - that's the job of the grow bed. About half of the water from the pump goes to the grow bed, while the rest is returned to the fish to aerate the water. The water returning to the fish does contain some fish waste, but far less than flows out of the fish tank to the sump. I don't understand why you have fish in your sump? As for the trolls picking on your appearance - you're doing a good job of ignoring them. Keep going - you've got the overall idea, and it's good to see you having a go, while the others just sit at their keyboard and poke fun.
I think it's important to point out that the "constant height" refers to the main fish tank. With a bell siphon, the water level in the grow bed and sump will go up & down, respectively.
Was it just me or does the audio only come out of the left?
You are correct that is funny:)
I gotta buy a new headphones then as my left headphone is faulty and I cannot hear anything LOL!
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ha, I thought something was weird, I have degraded hearing in my right ear so it sounded mostly normal
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Great system and really nice video to explain it tysm for sharing this very helpful information ! !
Missing the point for a CHOP system. Whats the point in the basin or basically second fish tank? When 1 fish tank could do the same? Seems like more work, more parts, more money, same results. But I'm not expert, again I could be missing the point of this system.
I still like the idea of having the tank with fish under the grow bed. Seems a more efficient use of space.
Thank you for the video. It clarifies what could be a complex concept to utilize.
Also if you watch this. The concept is there just confusing. Try to forget the tubing and filters and pumps ... think three things. Fish tank, grow table, and floor reservoir. Pump goes in floor res and pumps water to both fish tank and grow table. Bell siphon in grow table drops water to floor res. In between the fish tank and floor res have the water that is being moved by gravity, same way he explain, be be naturally filtered by gravity. (5 gallon bucket where the water that flows out of bucket has filter) .... rob bob baby! Perfect design and explanation.... the o lay items you need are pvc, bulk head fitting, and a pump. Everything else can be built
From your imagination..
thank you so much for sharing. this is EXACTLY what i was looking for.. i enjoyed learning.
listen im not an expert on this and in fact i actually just started researching on Aquaponics as a means to have a clean aquarium ( im planning on setting up my first aquarium ) and im not trying to get into a debate where i probably wouldn't know what im talking about but one thing that got me about this setup is that in your illustration that water from the tank will be coming from the top part of the tank and into the grow beds. which means some of the animal poop at the bottom of the tank will probably settle there and accumulate at the bottom of the tank unless they float. this could be an issue.
I agree with you about the waist at the bottom of the tank. This is why I will install an under gravel filter system in mine.
Good start but after a few weeks your ammonia is going to go off the charts because of the solids (fish poop) going straight into your grow beds. Not good. ( good way to start up but not good long term ). Add a settlement tank between the fish and the grow bed to collect solids. Put the solids in your garden or on your lawn. Also add a venturi valve on the down spout of the water line to the fish and eliminate the need for an air pump.
Thorne991 I run a settling tank, but am thinking about vermiculture as well
Nope, the nitrogen cycle in well established media would take care of that. Aquariums use sumps with much less media than a grow bed has for bacteria to filter a well stocked aquarium, converting the ammonia eventually to nitrate. A hydro grow bed provides way more well circulated surface area to colonize than any aquarium filter. Most plants prefer ammonia over nitrites and nitrates as well, so the little(if any) that is left unconverted would be rapidly sucked up by the plants, leaving just the yet to be used nitrates which are considerably less toxic.
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Awesome but you NEED a settlement tank ...
I learned this the hard way!
+JT Bear I love your video, particularly your ideas in the second half about what is aquaponics system
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A tank that settles fish waste so it wont get circulated through grow beds and cause buildup or rots
I can across a great collection of videos that should help on Fast track grower
it was my understanding that you don't need to filter the poop out if you put composting worms in the growbed. is this accurate?
+Justin Bourlier yes and no, it it builds up you still might have to
As a newbie to the art of aquaponics, I was looking for clarification. Ive just seen it done a different way on another channel . With a sump, what is the order of the flow system supposed to be; ??? I just saw one that showed me the following set up:
• From the Aquarium an overflow drains into the sump tank via gravity.
• From the sump tank, the water is pumped up into a growbed.
• From the growbed, the water drains back to the fish (via bell siphon). (?)
So I only need to use 1 electric pump, and gravity does the rest, am I correct?
Thanks.
youll need more than just one pump. water from the fish tank flows into the growbed. after it has gone thru thre growbed water should flow through a filter because you want the water to be clean of particles and small debris. the water then flows into your sump tank which it is read for re circulation into the fish tank as clean water.. the benefits of the CHOP method are that you need one pump instead of 2 or 3 (considering how many levels of filtration you have between the growbed and sump tank)
i like the chop system with a sump tank but is there a way to suck the water from the bottom of the fish tank ( so that solids can also be cleared away)? And also wont the suction from the fish tank water form a siphon, sucking all the water out quicker than the pump can provide.
You have to size your pipes and pump so the flow matches inflow and syphon flows. I put a valve on my syphon to control the flow. Once the flows match, your system should be good to go. Mine runs for weeks before I ever need to make any more adjustments. You can adjust your syphon intake tube to where it sucks from the bottom of the fish tank but if your pump ever fails, you will empty your aquarium. I always leave 4-6 inches of water below the bottom of the syphon intake for this reason. Another potential problem is loss of your syphon and the pump filling up your aquarium. I avoid this by ensuring the water in the sump never exceeds the size of the aquarium. I do use bell syphons on my grow beds but occasionally I have basically a CHOP system when my bell syphon fails to start and just slowly drains but leaves the water in the bed at a constant level. Usually a quick fix though.
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One reason is that the grow bed acts as a biological filter. Nitrifying bacteria grow on the gravel/pebbles which convert the ammonia / fish waste into nitrates for the plants.
In this system i would get a swirl filter from the fishtank and then to the growbeds to get some solids from the fishpoo, if u dont want a filter like that i would collect the water in the fishtank at the top not from the bottom and then have a tap on the bottom of the fishtank to clear out some waste.
Joey,
My question is about the good fish waste that is to go into the grow bed. Since most fish waste goes to the bottom of the tank, how does it manage to go with the water when it over flows? I understand that fish waste can break down into the water and be pushed out in small ppm, so I might have answered my own question. Also, with the overflow, is it constant like a drip or does it happen like an ebb and flow waiting for a large amount then drops down to nothing?
Thank you for posting the picture. I am studying this in and out of school and appreciate your time and effort in helping the community at large. I see this as a large asset in fighting the 2050 problem of 9 Billion people to feed.
Note that the overflow pipe from the main fish tank to the grow bed extends to the bottom of the fish tank. The water flowing up that pipe will carry the waste that sank with it to the grow bed.
Instead of an elbow inside the tank, I've seen a Tee where the riser pipe is open to the air at the top, and the branch goes out to the grow bed.
Sometimes air will be bubbled up that pipe to assist in lifting water/waste. Search for 'air lift pump' to see diagrams etc.
It would help if your illustration matched your description - like, "your aquarium is above your grow bed". Also your image shows 2 aquariums. Terrible explanation for a newbie
Absolutely, will be terribly confusing to them. I don't get how a tank can act as a filter and the same time has fish in it, and then he said it has another purpose for the people who don't like electronics with their fish.
Just a waste of 4 mins of my life, really.
"oh, how I miss the fish in the sump tank"
"No you don't, here is my poop"
Grow bed is acting like a filter for fish tank.
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You obviously didnt watch the whole video, he explains the second, lower tank is the sump, the aquarium on the right is the one at level with the grow bed. Its a diagram, not a scale model. He explained it decently, and if you cant understand this system, good luck on anything more complicated.
yeah a better illustration would help rather thatn looking at the same picture over and over with nothing labelled as he is explaining it.
I used this technique without knowing anything about it. thanks for the video
Great JOb
I thought the fish tank water overflow to the ,filter tank or silt tank then pump up to the grow bed and gravity flow back to the fish tank..which is which.
I recommend putting a few bricks under the filter incase something goes wrong and there is a leakage the fish will have some water to breath from
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shoudn't there be a solid waste filter before the water goes to the growbeds? And if you had a solid waste filter or swirl filter, could you add an NFT pipe-system before the water goes to the growbed?
Why are there fish in the sump tank?
Folks he's just explaining the system he didn't invent it. Bottom line is that it works. ALL negative comments are trolling - if you can't come up with a suggestion that HELPS others please remain silent.
I've seen this done with fish in both tanks, but the sump needs a filter. Also the pump can be run on a timer if it has the capacity to fully exchange the water in the plant bed in the time it's set for. The water will still get aerated enough as it flows through the pipes for the fish and plants and your pump will last longer.
A float switch isn't really needed with these systems as the plant bed has an overflow that can handle the volume of water the pump can put out and more. I've seen floats stick in toilets often enough to know that the simpler you can make a system, the less likely it is to fail. I would much prefer an overflow drain, protected from clogging to any mechanism that could end up dumping all my fish tank water on the floor of my house, killing all my fish and plants in the process! Heck, just thinking about this makes me want to put in a redundant overflow!!!
Disclaimer: I built my own systems and have nothing to do with this company or anyone here for that matter. The method has the potential to feed people more economically than they presently can eat - and is worth sharing.
Why are there fish drawn in both tanks? Error? Also, will the pipe that flows from the (larger?) fish tank to the plants naturally draw water through the pipe? Hydraulics on this seem problematic.
This Aquaponics system would work fine, your question answer is yes, this larger fish tank would drain water naturally into the plants base, then from there to the sump tank. this would work well, but however we need to make sure the sump pump is sized RIGHT, otherwise you would have water flow problems due to the flow Rate of sump Pump to tank and tank drain pipe. this should be of equal Flow Rate otherwise good luck!
The hydraulics on this are not much different from the overflow drain in your bathtub. As to whether you put fish in the sump tank or not: if your pump is filtered, why not? On the other hand, if you want to downsize your sump tank and use a water activated sump pump so that it will cycle on and off, you could do that too. I'm of a mind that a smaller pump running constantly isn't going to be much more energy efficient than a larger one on a timer - and the potential to buy a better build large pump is greater than finding a well made small one. (more expensive pumps are generally made with longer lasting parts.)
The fish tank flow to a filter tank and pump nitrate flow to the grow bed and produce Ammonia gravity flow back to the fish tank..which is which?
My pump - as yours is - is in the sump which pumps the nutrient rich water to the grow beds and to a bio-filter, from the bio-filter it goes to the fish tank which siphons off back to the sump, therefore the fish only receive clean filtered water. The fish I keep are tilapia (wild caught) and they breed easily and often, some of the babies were sucked into the sump from the main fish tank and surprisingly are thriving, even with 2 growing beds draining every 15 - 20 minutes. I'll post a new video on the system one of these days.
Is there a difference between the filter if the water before going to plants bed ? Please
Hi how does the water go from the fish tank to the grow bed. Looking at your illustration, the pipe looks higher than the water level
I was thinking of a similar idea that uses the only pump I have (an air pump) that pumps air into a sealed, "sump" which has a non return valve on it. The pump will turn on when the water from the grow beds has finished siphoning into the sump. It then fills a fish tank which is connected to a reservoir at a specific level and from there siphons out to the grow beds.
Anyway, could I use only red claw crawfishes in this system?
Why is there fish in the SUMP? And isn't the fish tank supposed to be higher than the grow bed?
+Hannah Daniel Fish can be anywhere there is water as long as the fish have room to swim and nothing that will hurt them it just creates More Production. The top of the fish tank is higher then the grow. It uses gravity to fill the tank.
What if the grow beds are higher than the fish tank but also lower?
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are you using any nutrient for plants, because plants need, phosphorus, magnesium, Iron and etc. how can we solve these deficiency for plants
Cool, A couple of questions though. Can it work with salt water? What are the other systems?
leafy, is it really that? we don't need a motor to do that?
and where can I find more information to do create this system in my home?
Thanks. Now I have some research to do.
Question regarding subject system. If pump were to fail and cease pumping into fish tank, how can complete emptying of fish tank to grow bed be prevented?
This is set on the Fish tank it can only drain certain amount of water, usually about 1/4 of total capacity should be available to drain, so if the Sump pump fails this would cause fish tank drain 1/4 of its capacity into plants base,then it stay there until you fix the problem. the same system is set up in power plant that produce heating steam, this is called a Feed tank. it works same way. you'll be safe installing this system!
What song is it that's playing in the into?
do you know the equation of heron's fountain, boyle's flasks equation, inverted siphon and siphon equation, so by comparatively we found that curve where free energy occurred
There are two errors in the drawing. The first is that the water level on the main fish tank is not at the level of the overflow which it always would be. The second mistake was putting fish in the SUMP and then not mentioning that you can do that, but most people do not. The explanation was all correct, just need to edit the drawing a bit.
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so if the fish tank lip is flush with the grow bed tank will the pressure be enough flood the grow beds and trigger the bell siphon?
+Sterss4 the bell sysyem is ticky.
You will have to play with it
the key is having the bell siphon exit the tank low enough so you can leverage gravity to do the work and maximize grow bed depth for suction. if they are the same height then you lose grow bed depth. the siphon from the thank will have to go in father down relative to the edge of the grow bed. you leave very little room for error on filling and evacuating the water. if the bell siphon is not perfectly tuned you will most likely have a bed overflow. when the tank is at least slightly higher than the bed, the tank drain can be higher above the grow bed and the siphon height and flow can have more adjustment room.
So fish in sump tank too?
Any reason this can't be done with a ram pump?-- the extra water splashing,
going downhill to feed my ponds.
+stilus 100% you can use any pump as long as the plants grow
use the fish tank as the sum makes your setup ALOT simpler..
Did you only have in your right headphone earbud? I think the sound mostly comes from the left stereo channel.
This looks very similar to a CHIFT PIST (Constant Hight in Fish Tank/Pump In Sump Tank) system.
it is, they are one and the same, given different names.
but why does the water stay even at all times?
Why don’t you just have a larger fish tank and use the water regularly?
I actually did this, but with just one tank, I used a canister filter like the EHEIM canister filter.
Soo...no fish in the sump tank, despite the picture of fish in the sump tank?
Thanks !!! Great enlightenment !!!
really well explained, and I like the way you recorded your voice
OMG! This is where my hydro system went! :D
I would call this a CHOPA, a Constant Height One Pump with Aquarium system
hmm it sucks on your bed dry if you dont pump
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how many months should we clean the grow bed?
This system uses the fish tank overflow to fill the grow beds.
how big does sump tank need to be for a 100 gal tank and 100 ft grow bed?
Leafy Gills...as if aquaponics wasn't involved enough, I was wondering if a gray water filtration system could be added in somehow. Any thoughts on this?
+zoktoberfest As long as you have a good filtration system. I would recommend a product called Drops of Balance. www.dropsofbalance.com If you are concerned if the water may be contaminated. This product cleans water and adds sulfate minerals to water.
Good advice, thanks, but this leads to me to more questions and maybe another excellent video from you to address them. Continuing with the theme of capturing and captured gray water, I need some advise about finding the very best aquatic plants, with the most extensive root systems for filtering dish, bath and laundry water. My gardens and evaporation make high demands on my saved gray and rain water in the summer. Winter makes high demands on my storage capacity which I am always increasing, because supply totally outstrips demand. I am looking into double and triple layers translucent sheathing to build an insulated greenhouse to protect those pants and fish during the winter. A thermostatically controlled heating system is being considered. There is much more to this long term project, and perhaps I will be making my own video on how this all comes together, if it does, but I would like to hear any thoughts you may have on any of this
+zoktoberfest I would love any info you have after you do your research on this project. I would research earth ships because I know they use a lot of gray water.
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What is the purpose of the sump tank and is the water filtered from the sump tank into the fish tank? Also did not understand the purpose of the siphon and where it fits into the system?
+George Henson The purpose of the sump tank is to caught the drain water from the planter bed and to re pump the water back to the main fish tank for re circulation
the purpose of the sump is two fold. 1) it keeps the pump from sucking up small fish by accident. In their picture they showed fish in the sump bit you generally don't do that. 2 (and most important) using a sump keeps the fish tank water at a relatively constant level. the sump ebbs and flows with the pumping the fish tank only goes a few inches up and down. this is important if the system has a failure and starts to leak, using a sump the worst that happens is water stops flowing and plants die but the fish tank remains full and fish live. water empties to the level of the siphon near the top and stops. if you use the fish tank as the sump and another part of the system fails and leaks the pump will drain the tank and then everything dies. the same thing happens if you end up being away for an extended period and have excessive evaporation. you can drain the tank to low and kill the fish.
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Leafy Gills thanks! I'll check it out.
what the picture is saying and what the guy is saying are two different things
could someone please tell me what they think about the following idea? i dont have much experience. i was thinking of setting up a system that pumps water out of a fishless tank and into the grow bed, then a bell siphon would send it into the other tank with the fish in it. the water level in the fish tank would always stay at the level of an overflow that flows into the fishless tank. the fishless tank would have a fluctuating level, and would need a maximum water capacity only slightly greater than the amount of water it would take to fill the grow bed. the main purpose of having the fishless tank in the equation would be to keep the water in the fish tank constant, but it would also increase the overall water capacity. both tanks would be at the same height as each other, but lower than the grow bed ... im asking 'cause that is what i was thinking of doing. i was looking to see if i could find anything simular. thats how i arrived at this presentation ☺ ... thanks
Isn’t this a cascade system?
yes, lots of names for the same thing
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How will know when it is time to clean out the media in the grow beds ?
If roots clog your system, excess of pump if you don't have something to catch it all. The cool thing about microbiology is that it only gets better if you have a healthy system. If the water sits, the water quality will lower and the bad stuff will begin to take over; then You have to clean your system:) Rocks get past your screen and again you might have to break your system down, there are many reasons why your media might get messed around with when growing.
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Its a nice design but a solid filter is always required
Great Point!
does this mean the fish tank must be placed higher than the grow bed?
Not your fish tank but your reservoir that goes back tot he grow bed. Your reservoir can be a fishtank fyi
Thx 4 this
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Do you have any kind of ration for gallons of the tanks to how many gph you want to be able to pump?
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Leafy Gills Can one just choke back the water and not pump all of the water it's regulated for? Does that damage the pump?
yes you can, and no it does not hurt the pump.
Hi. Can the sump tank be a deep raft grow bed?
I see you have fishes in the subtank too.
Your calling it sump tank, but you illustrate it with fish in it?
I see two fish tanks! The graph might work if you point to about which you are talking. Even a low-tech pointing finger would help.
I'm thinking not, because solids would adhere to the roots of the plants and cause them to be unable to absorb nutrients efficiently...I'd recommend having the sump first, to filter the water as much as possible, before the cleaner water flows into your deep raft grow bed. You want as much of the undissolved nutrients out of the water, before it gets to the raft system plants.
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No.. Murray Hallam renamed the "CHIFT PIST" method as CHOP... there's even dispute whether in fact he coined the term "CHOP" or whether in fact it was someone else
The purpose of this video is to show alternatives to develop cost effective Hydroponics systems.
I disagree with sarcastic persons who come pretentiously trying to mock people with the good will to share what they were able to achieve.
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I hate to disagree with someone who uses such big words as "pretentiously" but its about aquaponics not "Hydroponics" . but I do agree with your point .
Dominick DeVito Yet you sarcastically pull him up on a TYPO????
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I am seriously more confused now. But the machines in the back look yummy. I'm still interested.
Thanks!
Filters?
thanks cool video
I thought I understood the system but now I'm really confused.
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So you failed to explain why some use fish tank and some doesn't use fish tanks
I want to see the happy fish in this system, are the fish really happy?