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- The German government is drafting new plans to smooth the entry process for foreign skilled workers. It's a move that companies say is long overdue: The country's aging workforce is a growing liability, while positions in IT and software development are notoriously hard to fill. More companies are now looking abroad for help.
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as a software engineer I'd rather spend my time learning more technologies than learning German. And maybe go to Australia or Canada or other countries were English is the preferred business language. If Germany stops requiring people to speak German then it will definitely help.
we are definitely shooting ourselves in the foot by being so reliant on foreigners to learn our language but this might shift in the next 10-20 years when the older non-english speaking germans are retiring and the now younger, more english-fluent germans get into the higher up positions.
Even if you learn German, they would still exclude you because you cannot analyse Wittgenstein. If you think, after becoming business fluent, only your technical skills will be used in fair meritocracy? Dream on.
Germans will hire you ONLY if a suitable German is not found. Same applies for housing market.
Pay 50% taxes, run on hamster wheel of integration, live and work in areas refused by Germans. That too for multiple generations.
There are ZERO, I repeat ZERO anti discrimination laws, or standardisation process in labour market.
And what ? Finally German vanishing from German soil
@@trojan2793 Can't wait. The racists need to disappear
In America, we don't require immigrants to learn or speak English. The government and individuals cannot require you. Companies might be able to, but only if the position you work in needs to deal with English-speaking people, like attending to customers for example. You might have a hard time making friends or buying stuff if you don't know English, but still, America does not require you learn English. It is left up to you. If you have some business with government agencies, they have interpreters most of the time. Forms can also be had in your language.
I know so many people who are unable to get Visas due to horrible service from VFS. They are missing their admission slots and job offers are getting rescinded because they cannot come to Germany for 6 to 9 months. One of my friends living in Germany for over 10 years, got married in India and couldn't bring his wife for more than a year while waiting for Visa. COVID is long gone, and that can no longer be an excuse.
And This is just a tip of the iceberg, there is lot lot more complications.
Why would you go there, energy crisis and food shortage
@@akhandbharat1593 they are poor in India. Son has got good job in India because of IT boom and now they think they are rich. Low middle class india mentality
Sympathy for your friend.. and his poor parents
APS also
Canada is giving opportunities to 500,000 immigrants this year. Next year it would be 700,000 immigrants. Canada and the U.S. are mostly liked by the immigrants due to English and swift job markets. European are very preserved and self loved. They mostly hired Europeans even after you learned their language.
You more certain meant 50,000 and 70,000.
@@marcioborgesreis9066 i think english will suffice in Germany. I dont have any trouble to communicate in english there
Not true. The UK is full of immigrants from all over the World. I am one of them:).
@@michalziobro7890 I didn't feel comfortable speaking only in English in Germany as a tourist!
@@michalziobro7890 I wonder what cain of job you have in Germany that allows you not speaking the language ?
Currently, the visa regulations are tedious and for me personally it took a 1 year to invite my spouse to the country.
Bureaucracy is very slow and which needs to be improved.
Regarding the language I believe this will take atleast a decade but still the country is much better than other non-english speaking european countries.
Deliberately
It takes you a decade learning a language? If you practice with German speakers regularly it will take you maximum one year if you really want to learn the language. Maximum.
@@ObeySilence well learning language is easy if someone wants but simply employers want cheap and skilled labour. As they say gut und günstig. It won't work in long term. I know some people who can speak English and German have invested 10000 euros to get Truck licence the are getting offers with a quarter of salary in Germany compared to the USA. So the rents here have reached the level of London even in smaller towns the government doesn't invest in housing and increasing the costs of life by jumping in unnecessary conflicts of USA and Russia, well not only Germany but Europe, and another shock will be health insurance rate in 2023. I am well qualified and luckily can still survive but if it continues I'll also consider other options too despite having C1 level of the language.
@@ObeySilencewe must distinguish between German skills required for private and professional spheres. I agree, 1 to 2 years should be enough to learn German to get up on speed with private life, for professional competence it takes longer and it is highly depends on how much time an individual can invest in German fluency up-skill for profession. As a professional should I focus on working on my technical skills or German skills? More often than not you are not allowed to grow in your organization siting inadequate German skills. We people already had to learn English along side our mother tongue to move up in our career. We dont have a easy path as German kids where you just have to know German and English is good to have
1 year? that is ridiculous.. need the workers in the country but not their families?
It is going to be very tough. Unless you speak and write fluent German, you can forget about long term prospects of comfortable integration into a German company. Not impossible...but tough.
It is not just about work interaction with people, going to any form of government agency, the people generally are not very friendly and helpful to foreigners.
If you are willing to take some tough hits, Germany is a nice place to live.
There are a lot of English speakers companies in Germany.
Germans are perfectly friendly, you just don't understand their culture, I would say the problem is on you to figure them out. BTW I am German.
@@berg8970 Not all Germans are unfriendly and not all Germans are friendly. But generally, it is leaning on unfriendly side.
I lived 6 years in Australia, 2 years in America and now 8 years in Germany. I can tell you if you do daily life here, you will meet a lot of unpolite people as a foreigner.
I worked in so called international German company that is listed on the German stock exchange. Things revert back to German language very quickly which is understandable. People travel the road of less resistance.
I am fully invested in the life in Germany. I have a German wife and two kids. As a foreigner, who does not have German as the first language, I am saying "if you are willing to accept these challenges and some pretty big hits comparing to living in a land that speaks your language. Germany is a nice place to live in."
@@andregomesdasilva It depend which state/ Bundesland you are, but one needs to do research first.
The german unfriendliness is a gift to humanity,i realy like that,when i am in the US i realy miss the German unfriendlyness!I cant stand the friendlyness,its soul destroying!
As a skilled worker who's been in Germany for almost two years with my spouse who is also a skilled worker I would like to state some of the issues that are so frustrating. Although we have reached C1 level in german before almost a year we still unable to get a job. We have been to many job interviews and many employers are interested in recruiting us, but couldn't start any due to the issuance of a work permit. We have invested a very big fortune for new couples to spend in these two years. I would never recommend anyone else to come here. In 3 months if we don't get a working license we have to leave Germany, which is joke that no one wants to be in such a situation.
Thank you for clarifying and demonstrating that everyone's journey is different. Germany still needs help with many bureaucratic complications that make it difficult for anyone to stay and work.
did you study in germany and in which field?
Maybe they don't really need or want skilled workers that are not from Germany. They just won't say it, of course. If Germany truly needs skilled workers, they will find a way to expedite the process.
your skin color race and religion/ ethnicity plays 98% role to work with germans. i highly recommend to stay away from companies who employs 90% germans. focus on west part of germany and only with foreigner based companies
This is just a scam. They want you to come to Germany so that you pay rent to a German landlord buy groceries from rewe, Aldi, edeka and support the German economy.
Language is the main barrier for Indians to work at non-English speaking countries. So Indians normally choose Dubai, Singapore & 5i countries most of the times.
German language is very tough
@@xavierzacheriah6038 I don't know about German language but problems is cultural. Indians can communicate in English very easily like because of Indian Education Systems. It's very English focused.
@@kausikgupta6846 i try to study german but its very difficult, it will take years to pass
@@kausikgupta6846 that’s how the term “hinglish” was invented. A word made out of Indians typing Hindi words in English thanks to social media.
@@kausikgupta6846 How does that come, as India had been occupied by Britain for only 300 years?!
That's why it is as it is ....
Greetings from Germany 😉
I am a Spanish Software engineer living in Germany, I love this country. The language barrier was difficult, but my german wife helped me a lot.
@@АлексейКанаев-р8х what are you talking about mate? I am pure celtiberian, my ancestors fought against the romans in Numancia.
@@DrPizza-mn6kk spanish are dark, germans are light.
@@АлексейКанаев-р8х Nice trolling m8
@@Startrance85 may be not trolling at all...
Dr Pizza please i have a question for you!! i has a Pizza in my fridge for almost 1.5 Months, can I eat it?
I came to Germany on a language learner visa.
I'm going back before my plan is complete and I don't plan to return.
The language is too hard to learn considering the benefits you might also get on an English speaking country.
Salaries are way lower than in Canada or the US, specially after considering tax rates.
and cost of living?
it doesn’t matter if you earn more in canada if you end up spending more.
besides Germany seems safer with far less crimes than Canada or US.
The salaries aren't so good in Canada considering the high costs of living.
It's still good for people from poor countries.
@@dominicj7977 Germany is more expensive. The US is only dangerous in some certain neighborhoods where mostly people claimed to be oppressed because of something happened to them 250 years ago 😂
@@MJMilano7With due respect if actually think that Germany is more expensive than USA, then you really need to relearn everything starting all the way from Kindergarten…! 😂
They are more skilled workers in Germany than they need, the problem is the companies require you to speak fluent German language which is impossible in one year. They need us but they don't want us!
They want white people
If companies were willing to train entry level workers this problem would be solved they just want a developing country to train the entry level workers and then they're willing to pay for them.
No Germans indeed did not get enough children......
Atlast i saw a guy with sense mate..I am an indian now in UK..Seeing all these useless recruitments here..What u r saying is true😂
That’s a problem worldwide because if a company trains a new worker then is the worker willing to work with lower salary to recoup the cost.
Some roles cannot be filled by trainees and apprenticeship graduates. You'll need higher educational skills for them. Some companies like Siemens and BMW already offer their own bachelors and masters degrees. These programs take years to complete.
In Germany entry level workers get a so called Ausbildung. Germany has the best entry level training in the world. What Germany needs more of are people who do non-entry level work.
I learned German in 1 year through a dedicated course along with my masters in University.
But to be honest, it is a very tough language. You have to practice a lot.
Better stay in ur country
And hardly anybody wants to try German with you. Unless that know zero English will you be able to speak German with anyone. I'm currently in Germany and struggle to get anyone to even try, even if their English is so bad that it would have been just easier to do the conversation in German. It's incredibly frustrating.
@@christopherneufeldt4035 well many of them can't speak English especially the elderly ones. But the young people know English and they can help you if you just ask for it politely. But, you still gotto know some German to understand the sign boards, train schedule, bus schedule etc
Bitte , Danke, Entschuldigung are some basic words which you ought to use
If you plan to stay there longer, you should take intensive language course, otherwise life isn't easy
I learned Deutsch from English only.
The tenses are almost the same, rest is just vocab which is never ending. Dont pay attention to correct use of articles as Germans also don't get them right sometimes.
Good luck
@@RahulSharma-ih8pi I understand that, we're also in Germany so it's a given to not expect English which I do not expect. Why everybody tries regardless is super annoying. I know my grammer isn't good but damn, I can get by.
@@christopherneufeldt4035 your family name is kind of German.
Rest, Good luck
I am sure there are many people in Germny that want to fill junior developer positions. This happens in developing countries also. Companies globally compete to hire senior developers
100 %
True. It's no different in India itself.
How could you come with this decision. Apparently you must know how asian economies are suffering. Jeffrey Sachs wrote end of poverty. Probably we should come with finest solution
*There is a very specific and a systematic reason as to why in the 50 years of the software/Internet/IT industry, there has NOT been a single non-American company which has gone on to become a globally profitable, consumer product, and a publicly traded company. Germany still lives in the 19th century when it comes to their traditional companies. You have to accept the fact that English is a global language. No one speaks German in Asia, for example, which is the two thirds of the world population.*
What about SAP, the world's third-largest publicly traded software company.
@@bluedragon3126 *That's why I said "consumer product". I know SAP, but it's an enterprise product company. Do you, as an individual consumer, use SAP? Do you have an app of SAP in your phone where you use their product on a daily basis as a consumer? You do not. Besides, SAP is a dinosaur company. Their products are old and a lot of the companies around the world are trying to get rid of their software. SAP's strategy lately has been also around M&A where they have been acquiring a number of modern software companies to stay competitive. I have spent 20+ years in the software and the Internet industry, so, I know every inch of this industry inside and out.*
what do you even want to say with this? Ommit our local language for money, economy, and capital?? No country on this planet is omitting their local language, why is only Europe always chosen as the one to give in to make immigrants' lives as easy as possible? There are so many Spanish speakers in the US, how about the US companies accept the fact that Spanish should be used to ease the workers' lives? That's your faulty logic right there...
@@NoctLightCloud That's the reason why you get immigrants who are low-skilled immigrants because you stick with your language. And more high-skilled immigrants, such as the ones from India, go to the US. Therefore, the global tech companies only come from the US.
@@stephaniehale946 who cares about global tech company rankings? We literally already paralel societies here in German speaking countries with people not being able to speak German even after 30yrs. We don't need more of that😅 It brings more harm than good for social cohesion! Not everything is about capital and rankings. We can't and shouldn't compete with the US.
Depending on high taxes, high bills and no apartments which are in your budget i am thinking to leave this country in few years. Although i speak C1 level German and working in a reputed company in Germany but basic needs are getting expensive day by day. Many young professionals are already leaving which is very unfortunate!
it's not unfortunate. Every country needs young professionals. Germany is already so rich, so let other countries benefit from an influx of skilled labour. I say let the people move away and find their forever home in an affordable place.
Life is getting expensive everywhere
@@NoctLightCloud , what kind of creepy creature are you?
Come to Canada 🇨🇦. Best country for immigrants.
The problem is even worse in Ireland. Many people leaving Ireland too.
Housing is the next issue German government needs to address. Not only skilled workers need housing, all workers need affordable housing. The Vienna model is a success story of government efforts to keep housing affordable. High paying jobs in tech are eating away the scarce housing offer, shrinked after pandemic due to halted construction.
Bingo
@@GolbalEduVentures i prefer to buy house / condo and salary to price for sq m isn’t affordable at all. Even in Poland there is better ratio. You earn nearly the same netto salary and have much cheaper housing market
I'm Thai with IT scholar. I don't mind learning German. I would be happy to speak German in Germany If I want to work there. English is a requirement but when you live somewhere that people speak another language, you better learn and adapt to them.
Looool until you realize how hard and draining it is...get rid of your euphoria and face reality, it's not fun!
Welcome to Germay, if you like "low salary, impossible accomodation (very small apartment with super expensive rent if you are lucky to find), always staying second class among Germans, 3 years of dedication to learn the language but never speak fluently, never get a managerial job, never get friends with Germans and maybe anybody, and be ready for long long waiting lists.
It's amazing how so many countries keep declaring that they need so many workers yet their own citizens have no jobs or struggle getting any. Even in Australia they keep saying that the job market was never better yet companies were never pickier. I have no clue what kind of candidate they want. In the past I'd get a job no problem. After the pandemic I had hundreds of interviews and am getting declined. Some even don't have any decency to say that you didn't get it. Scary times.
White population on decline mode... So they dont care about them.. This is the reality
In Germany they indeed need workers because most workers will turn too old in the next year's and they did not get enough children...
@@sollte1239
No they don‘t.
The current government is systematically deindustrializes Germany, which will cause mass layoffs.
They need employees from 3rd world countries who are willing to work for less money and be a stable contributor to the social welfare system because it is cheaper to import workers than raise them inland. Also, most inland ones are not up to hard work but into enjoying life.
Because they want slaves , so they have to go to 3rd world countries to get them . While the natives stay unemployed .
I immigrated from South Africa to the Netherlands as a software engineer. Luckily for me, I speak Afrikaans, which is derived from Dutch. Our core values are also quite similar. I didn't find it hard to adjust. I see how hard it is for Europe to find local skills. They should really have initiatives to push more kids into studying in skilled labour with critically low staff.
That's also part of the new law: to more actively campaign in schools for these career paths.
Just an idea---huge talent--creative---Iran---setup in Gulf and facilitate their entry to Germany
europeans dont work. thats the issue lol
Hi Arno, how is the software engineer job market in Netherlands right now? I heard economy is bad all over Europe at the moment. I would like to move there as well but afraid of shrinking demand
Why do that when you can just ethnically replace them?
german government authorities need to hear this. It takes months to get a reply to email. They create too much obstacles and unnecessary exams.
Someone from India would be way more comfortable in any english speaking western nation compared to Spain, Germany etc etc,i personally would never waste my time n effort in non-english speaking western countries.
Good boy Behera, from Orissa to the Anglican West, it has been some journey for you.
Good for Germany 🙏
@@Gmstar96
Great then keep your Germany with yourself
I recently moved to Berlin, and as a fresher there I can highlight a couple of issues which the German Government should work to help ease foreign skilled workers.
- Family reunion visa (currently for blue card holders it takes more than a year to get the families in Germany which is too slow)
- Housing (it is very difficult to find apartments in Berlin or Munich)
- Language (I know we need to learn german and we are trying but it takes time they need to have English-speaking people in the offices, my internet stopped working and I had to call Vodaphone the problem was there was no English-speaking representative at the help line, I had to ask my friend who can speak German to complaint for my internet.)
Agree brother. Hope the issues are resolved soon, as this is a good way for development of both countries, India, Bangladesh or Pakistan along with Germany, Japan, Sweden etc.
yeah it is not only for you difficult to find apartments, the germans that lived and worked here their entire lives also cant find them. Family reunion: for every child you will get lots of money, you will recieve a lot from the state, so crying about a longer waiting time sounds a bit entitled.
Learn German.Then think about coming to Germany.
@@forkanalam420 no i guess that is not the right answer, i'm already in Germany and doing good
Germans will never allow family reunion beyond your partner and your biological children. The very idea of allowing skilled migration is to bring in people with very low reward to effort ratio. That is, the people who pays for others but does not take anything, which mostly includes young fit educated people paying high taxes. If you bring your elderly parents, then it nullifies the purpose of the immigration policy itself.
It's super easy now. You must have 30 years of experience, but no older than 35 years old; speak german better than Goethe; have lived in Germany for 10 years without ever leaved the country, etc..... unless you are from the middle east. Then you don't need anything, just go to Germany and live from the social benefits
Look like German people on verge of self extinction
Yes, and in addition you get free German classes and while you attend them free childcare is provided. In other cases you have to have everything you said plus C1 in German. It would be very funny if it were not true.
German companies should start paying more, to begin with. I have hard time believing they can attract top talent with present level of salaries. Even their doctors are leaving en masse to other countries.
Exactly. They are more profitable than US firms, but pay peanuts. E.g Oracle would pay 3X salary for similar positions in Houston, than SAP would pay for, in Heidelberg. Not to mention rabid discrimination in Germany.
They just want oversupply of workers to suppress the wages.
German companies want free work.
Which countries are German doctors leaving to? And German tech people
@@Tommyleini Doctors are leaving for Switzerland, Scandinavian countries and even UK. Tech people i know go to US and in lesser degree to Canada.
Exactly! The shortage comes from low pay not from Visa applikation or Language
I wonder how easy is to find a place to stay in the current housing market. I was kind of missing this information in this report.
Good point. You literally need a reference from Jesus christ himself to get an apartment here in frankfurt
@@kaysmith4594 Do you know a place where he can be found ;)) ??
@@rka-truthalwayswins5127 unfortunately you need a reference for that too😅
@@kaysmith4594 he himself could find a proper place
I can see the loneliness in the eye of this Indian IT guy that too in south Germany..my prayers to this lone soul..may he soon get out of Germans andnfind meaningful life somewhere else
Not to forget how beautiful and uplifting German winters are. Cold weather and colder people.
Language is the main problem. So True.
I am working in IT as well. I once ha a boss from Germany, while I was working from England. I asked her if she can let me in to work in Germany. And she said, 'Not if you can't speak good German'
I find it amazing that tech is now the only skilled labor.....I wonder if anyone in the tech industry knows how to raise enough grain to feed one small village, or how to make cheese...or how to install a safe working toilet system....but hey, who cares as long as we've got new apps on our phones.
Thank you ! We don’t eat codes or apps. Western population need to get back to real work to feed or heat themselves without taking advantage of the others countries...If there is no electricity all this techworld does not exist...
Nurse is also skilled labour in Germany.
hahaha exactly my thought.
I too thought the same
Those jobs are not considred desirable in India.
That means 1 million peaceful men who entered to germany in 2015 didn't work?
True
👍
Still 10 times better than southamericans which have 100 times higher murder rate than the average german.
Well the stabbings increased so ..
To busy screwing the local female population 🤣 . .
I am trying to figure out what they are talking about. I have MS from Germany and living here. I even had good data science skills and a degree. The problem is I have only elementary german level skills. Even after applying to 100 + jobs, not a single interview call. I am trying to figure out what the companies want here as skilled professionals. Most of the jobs I applied for are in IT companies, where in the job description, there is no such mandatory requirement for german skills. I feel like companies here are too conservative to give opportunities to non-german speakers or I have a hard time understanding how companies here work.
Hey Amit, I have also completed my Master's here and made over 100 job application and I got no reply
Have you got a job already?
I'm a software engineer in the UK and making software isn't just about programming, you also need to communicate effectively with business analysts, managers and stakeholders, and for many ESL's this is already very demanding. There's ZERO CHANCE that an average foreign worker has the same level of German skills, and it's unrealistic to ask someone who specialises in tech to get good at German. They may not survive in a corporate environment and this can lead to low job satisfaction and very high employee turnover. The German government and companies need to think very carefully before going on a hiring frenzy overseas. Do not give foreign workers false hopes when they don't have the skill and dedication to work in your country.
I agree. The problem we have here in Germany and most parts of the west, is that gen z aren't interested in these roles and most experienced software engineers are retiring.
@@williamthatsmyname most gen z haven’t even finished high school, there are only very few of us that have actually been to college and already graduated. How are we supposed to take those jobs if we haven’t even reached the majority of age lol your problem seems to be with the millennials. They aren’t anywhere near to start retiring
Xenophobe spotted.
At different levels and understanding
I agree. Communication to manage Requirements is most difficult even when Forigen Developers have excellent English Language Skills. Why this is, I don't know but I've spent years measuring the Phenomenon. The only benefits are the lower cost of Billing Hours and the fact Teams across the World are awake and working while local Teams get rest and sleep.
Most people would prefer US, Canada, UK or Australia..
Not only work opportunities but also culture have great impacts on the life of people..
Berlin is a nice place to live. Its not easy to make a good social life in Germany, as natives are very reserved. Germany needs more of a welcome culture. Life standard is high and country is safe. If you want to climb up in profession, US is better.
True US is still better but US can only hire so much.
Germans are far better then Italians in social life...i really love Germany
Lol of course we know that the US is miles and miles better...most people looking at this option are just trying to settle
"needs"? bruh stop with the demanding😅
@@kuchojoe500 You must be boring or just a Loner
Learning German would be the biggest headache. It's not a language that is commonly spoken around the world. Considering that Indians know English and many countries offer opportunities to Indians I don't think Germany will be their first choice ever.
i believe that the cream talent will still prefer US, Canada anyday over germany but still there are a LOT of IT engineers in india and considering that there will always be indian IT engineers who would want to work in Germany than work in india where the currency is significantly weaker
German is a Germanic language like English so it won't take that much time if you're dedicated and have to immerse yourself in it like you would if you lived in Germany.
Sky high tax rates and rabid institutional discrimination in Germany would make Germany the last choice for any skilled immigrants. Indian or otherwise.
Thank god that language is a barrier. Otherwise Germany will be run over by Indians in no time
One of my friend learned german language in 2020 lockdown because he wanted to pursue higher education in Germany but last year he joined a German start-up but he's still working from india. And Now he's dropping idea of higher education as he's got several more offers from Germany providing work visa.
The German government should see in to how to facilitate Visa acquisitions for Volunteers( FSJ and others) a university graduate can still move to Germany as a Volunteer and later rather his professional services to the German people. GodBlessGermany🇩🇪 from Cameroon🇨🇲
Drama of shortage they actually want to pay salary of Poland in Germany. Some countries have more salaries for truck drivers than technicians and engineers in Germany so don't wonder if they leave after getting opportunity in USA.
There must be same level of attention and focus to other areas besides IT. The IT makes life easier, but life itself is dependent on more fundamental needs than IT. Germany must encourage professionals from all walks of life to come and facilitate the process.
Somehow this news piece was focused only on IT whereas the German govt./companies are not looking for IT workers only. They are looking for skilled workers from many variety of fields actually. I don't know why this news article was so narrowly focused on IT. Btw, I'm an Indian IT guy working here in Germany.
@@swarupkumar2 Yes, but they should actively give coverage to other professions as well. I have arrived in Berlin recently and I have learned that I.T professionals have far more opportunities and conditions are way more relaxed to get a blue card. I don't have the I.T. background, so I don't know how long will it take for me to secure a job that ensures blue card.
@@ImranSahir1 it's true, thing is that here there is a huge shortage in IT field.
Why would a country make it easier for areas they don't have shortage for?
It’s good to employ from Asian countries But make sure they don’t bring the *favouritism* culture with them.
The moment you employ an Asian into higher position they tend to support their own rather than the suitable.
We face this here in UK.
So for long Run for Germany 🇩🇪 it will be something very important to make them understand and follow How we choose and run the system.
Skill shortage? You mean Germany wants SAP developer, with 6 years of experience, trained by other firm, with multiple expensive certifications, preferably with a German tertiary degree, minimum business fluent level German proficiency, ready to work in Germany for 2300€ after tax salary. And also ready to tolerate endless discrimination in society (e.g. housing sector), and remain in a technical role until retirement, with zilch chances of promotion to managerial roles.
Germany is largely for losers.
I'm a fresh grad software developer denied job offer multiple times due to lack of German language. Despite i have the skills that most tech companies in Germany are seeking for and would want to hire me, proficiency and good command of German language was a big constraint. I would say either they have to devise a program whereby high skilled developers can learn German language there after arrival side by side to doing their jobs. It's quiet difficult for employers and companies to get foreign tech workers residing out side Germany who have good command of the language and no one would expect for them to speak the language unless the government creates the means to learn the language after entry along the way while working. The talent crunch is global and increasing in alarming rate. Perhaps those developers have many choices in hand to go and work any where else with favorable countries with less entry barrier and bureaucracy meanwhile with good perks.
Germany is not the whole world. World is big enough. English speaking countries are offering more opportunities and better money.
Then learn German and get the jobs bro
@@AusDemSchneider only a few countries speak German. Why limit yourself to Germany and invest time and energy which could be rather invested in some other skill? There are many eastern european countries that actually have the shortage.
@@rohitgurav16 if people have issues with local language in germany then they're definitely gonna have the same exact issue amplified 5 times in eastern europe. there are less people who speak english and unlike german it's much harder to learn those languages for english speakers because they're from a completely different language family. If you plan to work and live in another country you need to learn the country's official language, it's just common sense. otherwise, just go and work in canada or any other english speaking country or I dunno accept the hardships that come with it
Why it's a problem tho? You'll need to learn local language anyway. If someone's interested in Germany he'll learn German. If not, he'll chose some other country.
German are strict on their language. Most of foreigners will face discrimination due to recist German nature.
I guarantee you that if germans were really SUPER r@cist, no immigrants would live there, unless they are clowns.
Racist people don't willingly let themselves get replaced by foreigners, which is what Germans are doing. I'd say they're not racist.
the legal requirements for coming to germany are by far not the biggest trouble for foreign workers. The process of getting visa to enter the country is not that hard already, i got my visa within a month. But every single thing you will need to do after arriving in germay will be pain in the ***. You will need a place to live, but landlords are very picky and want you to have an unlimited employment contract (which you might have if you are lucky enough), proof of wages for past 3 months (which you will not have), a german bank account (you won't have one). To open a bank account you will need a registration certificate, which you get only if you already have rented a flat (but you havent yet, because you have no bank account yet and did not receive any wages yet). To get a registration certificate you need to make appointment at foreign's registraton office, which can take you between 6 months (if you are VERY VERY lucky) and 2 years (if you want to live in a big city) and you need to provide a rental contract for a flat. You see, where this is going, right? Its easier to get in, if you can live at friend's or coworker's place, or you start working remotely for couple of months, which not every compaly wants, so you could at least provide the proof of wages.
Unending bureaucratic
You are spot on.
Do you know a good school to learn German inside of Germany. Which state is the best to go to learn German?
Good school. good future
Yes
Every city with more than 20,000 residents has a VHS (Volkshochschule), an adult education center, where you can take courses for everything from Yoga to knitting, cooking and languages - of course German for foreigners as well. They charge a small fee.
In Lower Saxony, Bremen and Hamburg they speak the "cleanest" German.
Bavaria
Before bringing in tech workers, Germany should improve their internet connection.. 😂😂
Underrated comment...Only 'locals' will get this ..haha 😅
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What does it mean??
@@Shankar-Bhaskar internet quality is poor in comparison with some developing countries
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That's unbelievable, I find that very hard to believe!
I understand German is hard, I’m half German and one of the last generations that was allowed to keep my American and German citizenship. (I was born in 1999.) however I grew up in Bavaria going to an English speaking school with the Americans over seas. My mother and my community taught me German. I know the culture and I speak like a local but for the love of god I can not write German. I can read but writing is my problem. So I understand the struggle but don’t give up! If your going to live and work in Germany it helps to know the language and culture. There are Germans like me who love to talk with foreigners. I’m willing to help. I know we come across as cold sometimes or anti social but it’s worth trying to get to know us. Also tip don’t be hard on yourself as a foreigner in this country. The fact that your willing to get to know my country and language is a blessing enough. Just let us learn to help you. This is new for us Germans to. You got this🍀🍀🍀
Blue, green, yellow, red cards never gets value, what value is the money and security. Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Malaysia, Canada, the US, Gccs biggest market ever for English speaking foreigners.
Indians already know 3-4 languages (except some who refuse to learn anything other than Hindi).. one more? Learning new language at adult age is tough.
Indians have a tough situation at EU because of this. US UK Aust NZ Canada is highly preferd just because of language.
IT workers are better off. Other engineers face a much daunting language requirement.
Good for Germany
@@Vanillevirus they know English
Salaries are lower than USA, UK, Switzerland. Tax 42%. To rent a flat is another issue. My wife's grandfather is German. My wife asked for the citizenship 1 year ago. They didn't answer yet. We have chosen another country I'm Cybersecurity Engineer and Cloud Computer Architect
For more than 10 years, they are taking about this shortage and helping the students stay in Germany... Very little is done. Many German university graduates go to other countries to find a job because they can't get a reasonable immigration or visa situation.
There are real institutional discrimination. Which goes beyond even the level of personal discrimination in recruitment. Like a graduate student can de-jure find a job. But he will not be granted the permission to do an internship without which the companies will most likely not never hire him. So effectively you not finding a job appears to be your inability to succeed in competitive labour market.
@@val-schaeffer1117 the German tax payers gave me the opportunity to study in an amazing German university. After I left the because no job prospects and an offer from the US, I contacted the German embassy asking if I could return for a job hunt and stay in Germany. They refused to give me any kind of visa unless I had a solid work offer. I also paid for more than 6 years taxes there and to the national pension funds. Anyhow, German immigration could be more efficient in regarding attracting talented highly educated work force from other countries or from their own universities. Most of my classmates moved to other countries after graduation from Germany.
Germany is using outside labor for its domestic companies for one of few reasons vs. hiring their own German citizens, cheap labor ……..cost reduction of paying out benefits to regular employees possibly.
If you consider 52-55k eur a year as minimum salary requirement to get Blue Card(for work as entry level position/ college graduate) to be "cheap labour" then I don't know what you consider as at par salary.
@@swarupkumar2 most immigrant people don't get that much salary that's the point. Only engineers do
@@akhandbharat1593 Well, it depends on the job they're doing, of course.
@@akhandbharat1593 Any stats to back up your statement?
That of course would be the best option for Germany but sadly it is not applicable because German natives and citizens are not studying technical courses and degrees. If you look inside universities, you will see that international students are the majority in the demanding courses and fields. It's not that Germany does not want to give jobs to its own citizens in technical fields, it is rather than there are not a lot of German candidates to begin with.
One advice to the people who want to migrate to Germany from India but are not able to get visa slots and getting offers rescinded due to long waiting time , Move to any middle Easter country get any job and start applying to Germany job market when you get a contract apply visa from Middle East consulate I got my visa in 15 days 😂 It’s a hack worth it if you want to move to Germany or any other EU nation easily
Yes that's true I tried to fulfill the requirements of nursing field but they told they have age limit and taking lot of money fir those greedy agencies
That's terrible l, they should raise the age limit or get rid of it
You could try to organize everything by yourself without an agency. But I know it's difficult...
@@sollte1239 it's not easy to do it by your self. Besides they are looking fir younger nurses I'm now 46 but I already applied to US and I'm in on going process ☺
What is the age limit for the Nursing Field in Germany?
@@cesvialpando212 I think mot more than 43 or 42 not sure
To compare German passports with Titanic tickets might be too harsh of a comparison. But if German thinks its innovation can be fueled by mercenaries, that kind of human resource policy is doomed to fail. Companies give options and shares to encourage employees to give their best and be loyal.
There's a reason electric cars are re-imagined in the USA, by immigrants, not in Germany where all the automobile giants reside. But well, some people try to steer the Titanic, some probably are proud just sinking with the tickets in their hands.
If there's a book that fits German's approach, it's "Only the Paranoid Survive", the thing is :) Germany often is paranoid about the wrong thing
It's not just language! the whole idea of integration in Europe is based on assimilation. Brown skin is considered last for hiring and first in a layoff on so-called cultural grounds. It's a lifetime job to change a society that doesn't accept you as an insider.
That means still "white" exists
Well nah, it is more or less a demand-supply problem in the West. The birth rate of White Europeans are declining & there are few of them enrolling in STEM as it is difficult to study. This has lead to a rise in Asian immigrants especially Indians ( software ) due to demand.
@@Apache1970 buddy... Silicon valley laying off thousands.. Do u think Europe is the bright spot of techies.. I don't think so... Systemic racism exists aganist asians
@@xavierzacheriah6038 They are called "Light" these days. Word "White" is not culturally appropriate and not politically correct :)
@@Apache1970 Its like a last desparate measure, like Rishi Sunaak.
Even today, US / EU media and govts look more favourably to pakis than Hindu Indians.
Language barrier, high taxes, climate , hierarchy , stagnant career growth, bureaucracy, racism are main hindrance. If one doesn’t adapt to German society, it’s worthless to stay in Germany especially paying hefty taxes leaving peanut savings. So most choose USA as first destination where pay check is great, better career growth, better climate, no language barrier
US is way better anyway. These Germans are not really good people honestly
You people really want to treat every countries as if they have the same reality and history...
USA is a country made up by immigrants, foreigners. Germany, just like the rest of Europe, is mostly made up by people who share the same DNA, background, etc.
It is IMPOSSIBLE to compare. Immigrants should choose Australia, Canada, USA, Brazil, etc. those countries with A LOT of diversity who can accept anyone, because anyone can be "american" or "australian".
In Europe, if you are not from the same ethnicity of the people in that specific country, you will always be a foreigner and that's it. A latvian will never be greek, a french will never be irish, etc, etc.
In Africa and Asia it also works like that.
Japan is losing 1 million people every year and the government does not accept immigrants because Japan IS NOT a country of immigrants. I hope it is clear now.
One should know that working in germany is not so easy. They want you to have B2 certificates , if you want to work in the German company. I had very difficulties to adapt to the German culture. After marriage I moved here. I do have only 1 year experience as a software developer. With 1 year experience none of the companies in german will take you .Without B2 certificate there is no option for you, you have to study to fulfill the requirements. You have to study German language for more than 1 year and then you have to do ausbildung if you want a work. They don't consider bachelor degree as a major thing.
my man thought learning german language was like learning a java language.
Learning a new language is not a problem. But the problem is,
It is difficult to develop language skills when you are busy with office. Before hiring skilled worker, company can train worker in developing language and german work skills. And after completing the training they can enter the work force.
Don't move to Germany for a job unless you are promised a six-figure salary. You will be highly taxed, you will be discriminated against in the housing market, and you will face racism very often. Anything less than a six-figure salary is not worth coming here.
Spot on. In fact, Germany appears to be open for immigration because the labour market and housing market are guarded by rabid institutionally discriminatory processes. For instance, there are no real anti discrimination laws. Every form of discrimination are considered as discretion.
Lived and worked in Germany as a software engineer for a few years. Experienced racism in Europe. Moved to Canada. So much happier. Never going back.
Why would EU nation as Germany have worker shortage in specialist areas when they have a 300 million highly educated youth to choose from. My question is are they looking for developing countries for skills to save money? In which case just transfer the work overseas. Helps us in global south gain work and develop high end skills. Language, culture, food habits are all barriers. They need our Labor but can't stand us. After a while they elect far right to chuck us out. Rich or poor we have all been working remotely anyway. Why call someone home when you don't like them anyway
Perhaps-- increase your knowledge than assuming everything that another does must be wrong-- If you have a question- research and find the answer than throwing your biases across-- nobody is forcing you to come!
Your attitude comes from a wrong place-- a place where you haven't been able to find happiness -- that has nothing to do with others but your own outlook!
They do have many highly educated youth, but they are not evenly distributed over variety of fields. Just like in India some fields have many skilled youth while many others have massive shortage. Like in India engineering and medicine is highly popular, here in EU there are other fields which are highly popular and thus some fields get neglected.
@@swarupkumar2 that I know... first hand...yes you are right.
European colonisation backfiring
Well said. They should indeed outsource the work. But somehow they don't want to create a sort of dependency on companies outside germany leading to powershift.
As a Deutscher, I sink Bürokratie will always be the größte Hürde
*se
Anyway congratulation for next candidate for germanisthan
😅😅😅😅👌👌👌👌 Ich Falle um
you sink. what a joke. don't you even know basic english.
are you a asylum beggar by the way
Indians usually prefer USA and other english speaking countries. We already learn english in school king of hald heartedly but yes, so its just easy to choose another english speaking country and USA is kind of paradise for IT skilled person.
South Asians in general not just Indians.
@@aceclash Indian subcontinent ohh what south asia is a sub continent with a name Indian sub continent...... I see, do u see?
But there are also tons of Indians that are coming to Germany to study and work in Germany...
@@mayanksingh0044 It’s not Indian subcontinent. It’s South Asia.
@@aceclash it is indian subcontinent it's some liberal don't like it changed the name
I would like to have a strong word of caution for Germany aspirants on student visa or job seeker visa taking advice from IT onsite guys. Onsite is the easiest way to immigrate, wherein near entire visa processing, and often housing matters are handled by employers' admin department. They are financially stable from start, not to mention they skip the biggest hurdle that is language barrier in job market. Obviously they have a rose tinted view of Germany, which is also influenced by first world sugar rush (upon seeing double decker AC trains, near clean streets, flower beds in road crossings) as well as white worship mentality.
I wouldn't recommend to go to Germany. Integration process is very difficult. It is also difficult to make friends and it is not easy to find a job as it seems to be. You would be better off in a english speaking country or in your own home country. It is a waste of time and money to come here. I am leaving..
This is a brilliant idea for the future of Germany and the relationship between Asia.
Trap... Dont fall for this. You will regret later
well... I've got the answer: TLTR: if I were to go to another continent I should live like in narnia/disney world, otherwise not worth it...
Taxes Taxes Taxes Taxes Taxes and Taxes, and crushing you in Taxes... that's why no one wants to work there, and no one wants to kill themselves 4 years in college just to earn a little more than an average salary... - what for? - hence the lack of professionals...
i was hired in belgium as a skilled worker (engineer) and i lasted 1 year.. due incredible abusive taxes and salaries/cost of living don't match at all..buying a house is for rich people or living on a mountain, otherwise you can have a nice 20m2 apartment in the capital for €300,000... absolutely not for me. Europe is not encouraging engineers to go to pay someone elses's pension or healthcare - I mean to work, and getting 40% off of your salary - probably for an ultra poor country (I mean really really really poor...), people would agree to go and work there, but for ok-ish countries is really not encouraging... you actually live better here (Chile) since you don't pay abusive taxes, they pay about the same as in Europe - if you're a professional of course! - and with 100.000€ you can find houses (not flats...), then the question... why going there? really... what for?
Unlike any Euro country, Canada is big and has less population. In any european country, one has to learn their language, that is quite stressful and took 5-10 years. Whereas in Canada they are paying best for ITs workers. Many Germans are working there. I personally suggest to apply for Canadian work visa for stress free life.
Canada is not an industrial nation and opportunities for skilled workers are quite limited as well…!
@@quettagladiator5272 Nope, it's not true. Canada hires skill labour yearly, their job market is quite bigger than those in European countries. They are quite advance in technology.
@@manoji2447 What??? Canadian job market is bigger than that of Germany??? Canada does take a number of skilled workers yearly but most of them end up doing nonprofessional jobs…!
@@aslammighty8835 I would assume most Asian immigrants want a PR or citizenship which I assume Dubai do not give?
@@quettagladiator5272 my colleagues friends went to Canada, now running software houses, IT businesses, working in different technical fields. I never heard about this.
Besides hiring people from foreign countries, government should also focus on educating Germans on international integration/cohabitation/cultural openness! This will help foreigners to integrate better and also interest others to opt Germany over other countries.
Underrated comment.
This is a great point
What about the immigrants that are already there . Teach them
They don't want to learn. They submerged in Women and Beer culture.
They are guests who can freely roam around and r@pe women
What’s the opportunity for foreign HR expert professionals; people talks less about HR while huge potential are there surely ..
learn C2 even to think about that. Better stay in your home country
Learning German is not a big problem, I personally love it. But it require time and I have to balance between studying German vs learning up to date with Tech stuffs. As an Expat 40+% tax and Radio Tax with high rent too is what I find demotivating.
Even if you learn German do you expect that after becoming business fluent only your technical skills get evaluated in fair meritocracy? Sadly, that is not the case. You will only be considered only if a suitable German is not found for a particular position. For example, if you apply for a certain job with a masters degree from a top university and your rivals are a Germans with a bachelors degree or with a masters degree from a low ranking university, you will never be considered for the job.
Germany is loosening controls far too far. Letting everyone in is simply kicking the can down the road, creating larger problems for the future.
Your youth is useless. So that have to loosen up the rules
agree
Are you kidding? Germany is stock in the 19th century my dear. Wake up and smell the coffee.
Ok. Learn Tech or learn to code or be left behind
or... you know... make peoples lives easier so you actually have enough will to live left to bring children into the world
Let them all in
And keep them out from housing and labour market using institutional discrimination.
Great opportunity
Still, ppl who don't have any talent or any basic for the requirements can't make it happens. 😂
Spend some extra money in training your citizens, I guess but I will not interfare in country decisions.
Yes German very difficult language but Learned
as a afghan you don't have any other option except for asylum begging in germany. Not just you any asylum beggar in germany learns the language because they don't have any other option
India produces 1.2 million IT graduates annually.
It sector dont have bright future
All sub standard
I am a skilled person but find it hard here in Germany without the language endless months hunting for jobs just to scroll down and see German language a MUST and be like Scheiß*
Wait worker shortage in Germany, I thought it was only the uk and due to brexit. Can you tell me why Germany with all of the eu there has a worker shortage.
Germany wants plus and play skilled workers trained by others, who will work for peanuts in Germany, pay high taxes, and will analyse Wittgeinstein and Goethe from Day 2 after arriving in Germany. FACT
I would rather learn few more technologies than wasting time on German language
Then better stay in India or pick some English speaking country
Same happened in Japan
Skilled workers or replacers?
Learning German is very difficult, but it can be done with discipline and effort. It‘s just like learning a new programming language. That being said, Germany should be more flexible in that foreign skilled workers learn German while they are already working in Germany. Too much red tape is a hassle.
Well you COULD communicate face to face with Indians... if their English is bearable, but often it's not....
I don't think so ... those who migrate abroad for jobs(companies) surely has good grasp of English
@@Heisenberg.1927 not in my personal experience.
@@Heisenberg.1927 Indians/Bangladeshis vastly overestimate their English skills. It is often very hard to understand them between pronounciation, grammar mistakes, odd vocabulary and sentence structure...
@@Andreas-gh6is
That's true, I was in the UK and most desis techies there stayed in their own little groups, because they couldn't speak colloquial English. Moreover, as you rightly pointed out, they vastly overestimate their English language fluency, most of us have a very strong, thick accent, which is hard to comprehend for non-Indians, and a strong mother tongue influence.
If Germany accepts the obligation of German among those who speak English, it will be able to close the labor shortage. Otherwise, it is impossible to close a gap of 400,000 by forcing the German language.
@J A
What, you suggest, that the Germans start using English as their main language?
LOL
That would be wonderful. German is just too complicated and difficult. And it takes forever to say the simplest of things.
Been living and working in Germany for nervous 6 years, and although I can Speak and understand it, I hate this language, it just doesn't make sense to talk like that in this modern society of bigger, better,faster, stronger. Even Germans get confused with it.
@@kaysmith4594 I'm sorry to say, that that's exactly the attitude of native English speaking people. Never heard any person from a none speaking English country mowning about that, as all of those countries make sure, that their people are speaking more than their mothertongue. Btw, it's not always and only English as a second or third language.
And I know what I'm talking about with a circle of English friends and a married on English family 😉
Like: when "my" London born spouse started to learn German, some of our English friends were asking:"whats that for, you're speaking English?!!"
@@saba1030 No. Besides German they should spread usage and acceptance of English like most of the EU countries. Germany's language racism is obvious. How many people in the world speak German except Germans? Do you think 400.000? No! English is commanly used language in all around world and Germany should accept this to solve their staff shortage issue.
@@j1212a 132 million people are speaking German. And to call it "language racism", when a country demands it's own language to be spoken in its country is quite racist.
AFRICANS DON'T BE FOOLED .
THIS IS BUSINESS
africans are so desperate to leave africa . they even like to settle in yemen
They give very very less salary finding house is more difficult too much of breuracracy
Requirements??
Thick skin to accept massive amount of racial discrimination.
the work of machine needs no language barriers actually, machine work expiernece and skilled need not learn language first because now everywhere instant ubersatzung programs develped for conversations are there already in market,all it needs that machine brains intelligence and India has plenty of it
The problem we have are mainly specialists in craft trades. It is also about speaking German. Go to a German customer and try to repair his toilet with another language. There are no machines that install or repair a toilet. And an apprenticeship in the craft lasts 3 years with a lot of specialist knowledge that you have to acquire. No, everyone wants a job in an office or as an IT specialist. We've had enough of that. And if you don't want to learn another language, you should stay in your country. My ancestors immigrated to Germany from what is now Poland more than 100 years ago. And they had to learn the language and adapt and they did it.
@@michaelkuschnefsky362 are you high on dose?.. Who won't able to learn if their family is living in Germany from 100 years?
Lol
Humans are not that dumb as you think.. People are not happy when they entered new in Germany and are forced to speak German, with in 1st day of living in Germany
They don't like dark people from Africa, Asia. end of story. No matter how much you praise them. Indians need to decolonise their brain
@@akhandbharat1593 That's nonsense what you write. I have been training people for years, whether from Syria or African countries, but the problem is that many who come here have no training. That's not a problem, then you have to learn German and you can start your training. It usually lasts 3 years and is completed with a skilled worker certificate. Good qualifications are particularly important in manual trades, as there are many regulations here. I even prefer to train people from other countries than our own young people. What we need most here are people who are willing to learn a good trade. Most of all, we need gas plumbers, electricians, carpenters, nurses, etc. Because many Germans no longer want to learn such professions. Because they have become too full and comfortable. I know companies that are desperately looking for young people and there are young Germans who could learn such professions, but they prefer to study. And that will eventually have negative effects. If there are no more craftsmen, there is no water, electricity, care, etc. And if someone from Africa would like to learn something like that, they are very welcome from my side.
@@michaelkuschnefsky362 That being said, if your ancestors learned german , that doesnt mean a person who came to germany can learn the language readymade. I dont know if you understand it or not. And about coming to 'your' country... I dont think the people coming here will sustain for long🤣🤣🤣. that how the review are getting day by day. Best Luck Germany!!!!!!
Are they also looking for accountants/financial analysts?
Germany: We warmly welcome the skilled workers from around the globe to come and work here. Ausländerbehörde Herzlich Willkommen, wir sprechen hier kein Englisch😈
Instead of sending those "leider nicht" emails companies can hire people if they properly evaluate the cv's.
They want plug and play skilled immigrants who are trained by other companies but ready to work for peanuts in a German company.
wah! i hate this managment talk
"we need talent" = "we need code slaves who work for cheep longer then the spoiled domestic dudes"
Well in those cases i cant blame companies also.. Western civilization infested with somany degenerated ideology
@@xavierzacheriah6038 do you not find it contradictory to call something 'degenerate' where the most innovation took place over the last decades?
do you find russia for example on the rise, burning his population? you cannot make those arguments .. well .. only when you are disingenuous
It's a problem that can be solved easily if the government wants to. It all started with the the colonization and post WW2 when english became the working language of the globe due to American global influence and british colonialism of the past. Learning German was discouraged post ww2 within europe itself.
Migration is very hard, and even more so in Germany. Nothing comes for free and there is a price to pay leaving your culture and family for good. Sure, you might not see it right today, you got facetime and the obligatory annual flight home, but your children will at some point. The are going to experience racism and the constant mental stress being cornered by 2 very different cultures. They won't tell you of course, they are too young to comprehend and you'll be too occupied with your own business adapting. So think twice.
You're soo wise omfg this is soo true
You really don't have to migrate if all these are your worries, simply stay back in your home country.
Absolutely correct! So beautifully said