So there's a couple of important takeaways that get lost in the sauce, one is that it is a documentary that does a good job of sensationalizing the situation. But moreover, the docu does a great job of capturing a major seachange in the early 2000s. Guys like Billy Mitchell and Todd Rodgers that set high scores in the early 80s were no longer capable of gatekeeping classic arcade high scores because of the internet. Gamers that had played in the 80s and 90s but were largely ignorant of the high scores (or how to submit their own) could now go online, see what the high score was, and directly very publicly challenge them. Mitchell and the other original high scorers had likely pulled some shady stunts in the 80s and 90s to gatekeep, but in the early 2000s the internet made it impossible. Mitchell's attempt was caught on the documentary, and it ruined his reputation.
Big Cat, I love the intense backlight silhouette approach to the video call. The glow of your laptop screen had no chance against that light behind you.
I went down the rabbit hole on this a year or so ago and was blown away. Come to find out there's like a 30 year old ring of fake scores all involving twin galaxies, that weird ref dude, Billy has in fact been removed from all high scores of which he had many not just DK. There's another dude Todd Rogers that claimed to have this high score in a drag racing game and the internet proved that the score was impossible and blew this entire thing up all within the last 2 years or so. Also, this entire movie is on youtube fo fre
@@Sol103-06 It's a shame in Billy's part, as he is an actually pretty damn good player. Didn't necessarily need to use MAME/cheat. He's played perfect games of pacman & dk before. Todd rodgers on the other hand I think most of his scores he claimed over the years are mostly entirely made up. Funny how they just accepted their word for their scores lol why twin galaxies is no more. Sadly. All that said, Billy seems to be a huge hugeeee d bag so it's hard not to hate on him.
This documentary literally brought down the retro world record establishment…not many documentaries have that kind of impact on the world it documents lol
Fuck yes. I preach the word of “King of Kong” all the time. One of the best docs ever. Also, grew up in NH so I’ve been to Funspot a bunch and it is in fact an awesome place.
They forgot to mention how Billy and his goombas kept saying how it's totally different to set a record live and how it's the Hallmark of a true player. Then Steve breaks the record live and Billy has a tape sent to steal his thunder which ends up being doctored anyways
Video games are meant to be played in a competitive environment, under pressure, organized, where you have to perform, literally on demand. And when you do that, you have far more credibility then someone who says "oh I did that last week (you saw the glitched video tape that was merely a copy with no master). No matter how good you play Tennis, no matter how good you play golf, If you don't play when you have to play, if you don't play when the pressure is on, you're really not good enough. - Billy Mitchell When you realize Billy said this as he was "literally" being a coward and refusing to compete when the pressure was on, live with Steve. Billy pretends to be perfect, but even he knows subconsciously that he just doesn't have the skill to break records anymore. Hence the quote insulting himself on a deeper level, more than anyone ever could.
I wish you guys asked Billy Mitchell some of the things you talk about in this episode. A lost opportunity or just a good reason to bring the King Of The Nerds back for a part 2.
@@themyriad0574 nah this is what people are like, they will talk smack online but when they get in front of an actual figure who has a reputation they subconsciously became respectful, Billy may be a POS but he’s such a bigger figure than barstool sports
i Think Chase Daniel could’ve of been a top 20 QB of all time under the right circumstances.... i remember when he was battling Colt Brennan for a roster spot in DC and Chase looked like Tom Brady out there. Dude just never got the chance to be “The Guy”
I tink a study of Aristotlean logic would really help these discourses,the statment Wiebe is a loser, Billy Mitchell is a winner is what is being said. So from that a lot of inference is taken.
King of Kong was a slick documentary, but wasn’t based on truth. Billy Mitchell’s Donkey Kong score was actually beat in the year 2000, when Tim Sczerby scored 879,200 points, but the movie completely glossed over that fact - which really pissed Tim off, and rightfully so. Billy Mitchell, if you’ve ever met him, is an incredibly nice guy. I even met Brian Kuh a few months ago, who told me the movie is so full of discrepancies and lies, and had some good examples of such. Nice guy, too. King of Kong is an entertaining movie, and it’s a great underdog story, but it isn’t based on facts.
You guys are funny. I was thinking the same think about his wife and how the nerds worship him. The arrogance before and after he got caught cheated is sick. The man seems delusional.
You guys seriously just not gonna give the no laying up crew and “the trap draw” podcast credit for this? They do a near 2 hour episode on 24 March and then a week later your pod bio says “the greatest documentary no one is talking about”…. pardon my take are a real bunch of billy mitchell’s
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So there's a couple of important takeaways that get lost in the sauce, one is that it is a documentary that does a good job of sensationalizing the situation. But moreover, the docu does a great job of capturing a major seachange in the early 2000s. Guys like Billy Mitchell and Todd Rodgers that set high scores in the early 80s were no longer capable of gatekeeping classic arcade high scores because of the internet. Gamers that had played in the 80s and 90s but were largely ignorant of the high scores (or how to submit their own) could now go online, see what the high score was, and directly very publicly challenge them. Mitchell and the other original high scorers had likely pulled some shady stunts in the 80s and 90s to gatekeep, but in the early 2000s the internet made it impossible. Mitchell's attempt was caught on the documentary, and it ruined his reputation.
Big Cat, I love the intense backlight silhouette approach to the video call. The glow of your laptop screen had no chance against that light behind you.
Tommy Smokes is the Brian Kuh to El Pres’s Billy
more like frankie.. such a suckjob that borelli
Steve Wiebe definitely washes his apples
And so should you.
I went down the rabbit hole on this a year or so ago and was blown away. Come to find out there's like a 30 year old ring of fake scores all involving twin galaxies, that weird ref dude, Billy has in fact been removed from all high scores of which he had many not just DK. There's another dude Todd Rogers that claimed to have this high score in a drag racing game and the internet proved that the score was impossible and blew this entire thing up all within the last 2 years or so.
Also, this entire movie is on youtube fo fre
Wish it got better
@@Sol103-06 It's a shame in Billy's part, as he is an actually pretty damn good player. Didn't necessarily need to use MAME/cheat. He's played perfect games of pacman & dk before. Todd rodgers on the other hand I think most of his scores he claimed over the years are mostly entirely made up. Funny how they just accepted their word for their scores lol why twin galaxies is no more. Sadly. All that said, Billy seems to be a huge hugeeee d bag so it's hard not to hate on him.
This documentary literally brought down the retro world record establishment…not many documentaries have that kind of impact on the world it documents lol
Steve Wiebe is a math teacher at the high school i graduated from. I graduated with his daughter
What was she like in high school?
At 13:09 Big Cat mentions the deleted scenes of King of Kong. Does anyone have a link to that? I can't find it on youtube.
nvm, found them here: ruclips.net/video/R1PKiZU9dd0/видео.html & ruclips.net/video/ZKjxt5Ci_is/видео.html
Fuck yes. I preach the word of “King of Kong” all the time. One of the best docs ever.
Also, grew up in NH so I’ve been to Funspot a bunch and it is in fact an awesome place.
They forgot to mention how Billy and his goombas kept saying how it's totally different to set a record live and how it's the Hallmark of a true player. Then Steve breaks the record live and Billy has a tape sent to steal his thunder which ends up being doctored anyways
Had no clue Zack Hample makes an appearance in this movie!
check out the Billy Mitchell/TG videos by Apollo Legend
Video games are meant to be played in a competitive environment, under pressure, organized, where you have to perform, literally on demand. And when you do that, you have far more credibility then someone who says "oh I did that last week (you saw the glitched video tape that was merely a copy with no master). No matter how good you play Tennis, no matter how good you play golf, If you don't play when you have to play, if you don't play when the pressure is on, you're really not good enough. - Billy Mitchell
When you realize Billy said this as he was "literally" being a coward and refusing to compete when the pressure was on, live with Steve. Billy pretends to be perfect, but even he knows subconsciously that he just doesn't have the skill to break records anymore. Hence the quote insulting himself on a deeper level, more than anyone ever could.
I wish you guys asked Billy Mitchell some of the things you talk about in this episode. A lost opportunity or just a good reason to bring the King Of The Nerds back for a part 2.
They had to have been paid by Billy for that appearance. That's the only way to explain the suck fest that takes place that whole episode.
@@themyriad0574 nah I think they were just feeding his ego to get him going
@@themyriad0574 nah this is what people are like, they will talk smack online but when they get in front of an actual figure who has a reputation they subconsciously became respectful, Billy may be a POS but he’s such a bigger figure than barstool sports
WATCH "CARTS OF DARKNESS" ABOUT THE UNDERGROUND SPORT OF DOWNHILL SHOPPING CART RIDING IN VANCOUVER
Seconding this, I remember it being surprisingly heartwarming
Billy was funding Twin Galaxies, Walter had run it into the ground
search youtube for Twin Galaxies: The legend of walter day - you won't be dissapointed
Billy is the Negan of the video game world
yo zack hample/foul ball guy in there is not surprising at all. I wish there was a part 2
This all just came back
Need more doc reviews
the funny thing is that it turns out twin galaxy is full of cheaters
i Think Chase Daniel could’ve of been a top 20 QB of all time under the right circumstances.... i remember when he was battling Colt Brennan for a roster spot in DC and Chase looked like Tom Brady out there. Dude just never got the chance to be “The Guy”
"Big River Man" one of the best doc's ever !!!!
@Hey Now Infinitely better than this one, computer games vs comically death defying stunts by an alcoholic :p
Best analysis of this flick ever!! It's so good, skip the movie and listen to this lol, thank me later.
If you think this is "the greatest documentary," then you need to watch more documentaries.
It's definitely really good, though.
Billy Mitchell is a slimy dude
I guess Hank knows a lot about big drug guys after working for one for so long.
I tink a study of Aristotlean logic would really help these discourses,the statment Wiebe is a loser, Billy Mitchell is a winner is what is being said. So from that a lot of inference is taken.
I'm glad rudy ferretti wasnt in the film but he was in girls game.
He was a basketball
do AMERICAN MOVIE. its so good!!!
You guys should do “running on the sun”. Available free on RUclips. Wild documentary.
Billy Mitchell. Classic narcissist.
King of Kong was a slick documentary, but wasn’t based on truth. Billy Mitchell’s Donkey Kong score was actually beat in the year 2000, when Tim Sczerby scored 879,200 points, but the movie completely glossed over that fact - which really pissed Tim off, and rightfully so. Billy Mitchell, if you’ve ever met him, is an incredibly nice guy. I even met Brian Kuh a few months ago, who told me the movie is so full of discrepancies and lies, and had some good examples of such. Nice guy, too. King of Kong is an entertaining movie, and it’s a great underdog story, but it isn’t based on facts.
This is great
watch jeff towne
Can’t believe you had that fraud on that Billy dude is such a fake
You guys are funny. I was thinking the same think about his wife and how the nerds worship him. The arrogance before and after he got caught cheated is sick. The man seems delusional.
How about covering some GOAT documentaries like Supersize Me or Bowling for Columbine?
King of Kong: A Fistful of Quarters and The History of Dave Portnoy are my favorite documentaries.
Big Cat asks what is it about Billy that gains him a boot-licking simp army......Dude, what is it about Dave Portnoy? It's a cult of personality.
You guys seriously just not gonna give the no laying up crew and “the trap draw” podcast credit for this? They do a near 2 hour episode on 24 March and then a week later your pod bio says “the greatest documentary no one is talking about”…. pardon my take are a real bunch of billy mitchell’s