It seems to me that this is a good way to produce a straight tapered whip, but not to get that lance shape mentioned early in the video. You wouldn't want even lengths between strand drops because that would produce a relatively straight taper, even going over multiple bellies. To get a lance shape, you'd want to bunch up the strand drops closer to the handle and stretch them out toward the end of the thong, i.e., most of the strands have dropped by the halfway point and only a couple are left after the halfway point. So rather than a linear strand drop with an even distance between each strand drop, you'd want it more like an exponential (or logarithmic, depending on how you look at it) strand drop. The distance between each strand drop should be increasingly longer as you progress. I'm certain there's an easy trig calculation that would fill out the perfect lengths to follow the profile you want with a lance shaped whip cross section, but it's been far too long since I've applied any trig to be successful in that regard. I suppose one could get some graph paper and draw an exponential curve on it, then simply count the distances out and translate those to strand lengths. Different amounts of exponential would either increase or decrease this effect from a linear strand drop, and once you've found a good curve that works in an actual whip the way you want, you can take that formula and simply scale it up or down to accommodate different whip lengths and belly counts. The whole concept continues to fascinate me when I see whipmakers working with roo hide whips and carrying the same number of strands from handle to fall, only tapering the strands themselves and beveling them. Being able to get that taper just perfect with no obvious transitions from one diameter to the next over the entire length of the thong, by hand and eye alone, is one of the more impressive things I've seen people do.
i enjoyed using a tapered fall on my first. thank you very much for that. i would like help with how to use a longer rod in the handle to approximate hybrid performance. i used 15" fiberglass in place of 12" following Adam's "bare bones" whip, but i also extended the belly and the adds, winding up with a 9 ft. now i hope to build a sensible 7 ft. how does a 16" rod sound? thanks for the encouragement, teaching, and kindness.
I multiply 12x6 to get 72 because I want the whip to be 6 foot long. 12 inches in a foot i want the whip to be 6 feet. 12 inches x 6 foot gives me how many inches long the whip is to make strand drops easier. And the overlay is 16 strands
@@eliasonwhipco Thanks that cleared things up for me, feeling kind of stupid not getting my head wrapped around on how to figure out how to calculate length of the strands. Maybe I'm slow learner.
Yes the method over all would work you would have to adjust the amount of strands to 28 on the overlay and I think to get your lengths with the 275 cord you would want to times it by 1.8 or 2
This is a very interesting method for figuring out strand lengths. I sometimes find that I get overly tedious. I have a request for a future video as well. Could you make a detailed video on how to do an English Eye build in detail, I can't find a video that does a good job of explaining how the process works.
It seems to me that this is a good way to produce a straight tapered whip, but not to get that lance shape mentioned early in the video. You wouldn't want even lengths between strand drops because that would produce a relatively straight taper, even going over multiple bellies. To get a lance shape, you'd want to bunch up the strand drops closer to the handle and stretch them out toward the end of the thong, i.e., most of the strands have dropped by the halfway point and only a couple are left after the halfway point. So rather than a linear strand drop with an even distance between each strand drop, you'd want it more like an exponential (or logarithmic, depending on how you look at it) strand drop. The distance between each strand drop should be increasingly longer as you progress. I'm certain there's an easy trig calculation that would fill out the perfect lengths to follow the profile you want with a lance shaped whip cross section, but it's been far too long since I've applied any trig to be successful in that regard. I suppose one could get some graph paper and draw an exponential curve on it, then simply count the distances out and translate those to strand lengths. Different amounts of exponential would either increase or decrease this effect from a linear strand drop, and once you've found a good curve that works in an actual whip the way you want, you can take that formula and simply scale it up or down to accommodate different whip lengths and belly counts.
The whole concept continues to fascinate me when I see whipmakers working with roo hide whips and carrying the same number of strands from handle to fall, only tapering the strands themselves and beveling them. Being able to get that taper just perfect with no obvious transitions from one diameter to the next over the entire length of the thong, by hand and eye alone, is one of the more impressive things I've seen people do.
i enjoyed using a tapered fall on my first. thank you very much for that. i would like help with how to use a longer rod in the handle to approximate hybrid performance. i used 15" fiberglass in place of 12" following Adam's "bare bones" whip, but i also extended the belly and the adds, winding up with a 9 ft. now i hope to build a sensible 7 ft. how does a 16" rod sound? thanks for the encouragement, teaching, and kindness.
16" handle would be long for a bull whip but you can use the same general formula for any size whip
Thanks for sharing your knowledge.
You're very welcome
Great video man!
Thanks alot Tory :)
Oh my, I had flashbacks to watching Etho vidoes back in 2012...
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What would you change to transfer this method to a snake whip?
I would start the taper much sooner say 3 inches from your 0 point where your heal knot would be.
Why did you divide by 5 on the overlay?
Adding or dropping in doubles it gives an even space between all the drops. Just how I've gotten the math to work out
Why do you add with 12? To get 72.
Is it the number of strands in the overlay?
I multiply 12x6 to get 72 because I want the whip to be 6 foot long. 12 inches in a foot i want the whip to be 6 feet. 12 inches x 6 foot gives me how many inches long the whip is to make strand drops easier. And the overlay is 16 strands
@@eliasonwhipco Thanks that cleared things up for me, feeling kind of stupid not getting my head wrapped around on how to figure out how to calculate length of the strands. Maybe I'm slow learner.
Your good man it took me a long time to get to the point where I could explain it
@@eliasonwhipco I'm female, not male ☺️ but that's ok man ✌️
My apologies 😕 I hope you have a great day
Would this method still apply if using the 275 Paracord?
Yes the method over all would work you would have to adjust the amount of strands to 28 on the overlay and I think to get your lengths with the 275 cord you would want to times it by 1.8 or 2
@@eliasonwhipco Great, I was on the right track, thanks for your reply mate.
This is a very interesting method for figuring out strand lengths. I sometimes find that I get overly tedious.
I have a request for a future video as well. Could you make a detailed video on how to do an English Eye build in detail, I can't find a video that does a good job of explaining how the process works.
I can for sure I'm trying to put together my own "how to make a bullwhip video and it will be an English eye bullwhip
20 minutes of mumbo jumbo, unclear math
Sorry I tried my best