Episode 10: The Watchmaking Family Tree
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- Опубликовано: 13 мар 2018
- In this episode, Cameron and Matt lay out the "Watchmaking Family Tree," that is, the web of parent, subsidiary, and supplier companies that make up the Swiss watch industry. Richemont, LVMH, Swatch Group, and Kering control the majority of the Swiss watch market, but how did that happen and why? We explore the familial resemblenece between completely different watches built under the umbrella of the same groups. Additionally, Cameron and Matt fill out their Crown & Caliber "Watch Madness" brackets.
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"Sleepers" episode would ROCK! Good stuff guys, love the podcast. Very organic, natural, and real. Keep up the great work!
Dave & Jeff, legends of Swiss watchmaking :P
I have really enjoyed this, just letting you know found this from your JRE appearance
Love you guys so much, thank you!
Excited for Watch Madness
This may be a bit out there, but a tour of the Weiss factory/workshop or perhaps a tour of a big watch factory/workshop would be cool.
Woe pall!! Woe!! This is a respectable family channel!! There may be kids watching!! We don't need any trouble here, if you can't keep your sick twisted dark mind under control then please, don't hurt us.. and if u want to leave,. Just don't hurt us.
Loving the podcast. Marathoned every episode over the last three days at work. My wife is now very scared I want to buy so many watches 🙂
Great video! I love the history of the Swiss Watch Industry. The period after the quartz "crisis" is especially very interesting. I was in college in the early 90's and a Submariner (not a Submariner Date) cost was going for 2800.00 at 210 Post Street in SF. That was a lot of money back then, and so most people my age bought an Omega, Breitling or TAG Heuer. They almost all had ETA 2824, ETA 2892, or 7750 Valjoux. Lots of different cases with the same motor. Original 60's Heuer Chronograph's second hand in excellent condition cost you maybe 500.00 (Before E Bay).
Prices have definitely increased. The hobby has definitely changed.
Question for you guys for another video:
Does the Swiss Watch Industry have a future? Will the Industry grow? What is the overall health of the industry?
Great book!
Another great show. Thanks guys! Can't wait to see what Weiss has to offer in the future. I'm hoping for something in the sub 40 mm size range and something to get away from the field watch formula. The field watch is great, but I want something new to lust for! Of course, the more American made, the better.
Matt can you please list watch model numbers (within reason) with the videos. Helps us if we like what we see and are in the market... Gracias!
Loving the podcast just as I do with The Smoking Tire/One Take! Do a show about the Japanese watch companies: Seiko (Grand Seiko, Lorus, Pulsar, Orient), Citizen (now owns Bulova & FC/Alpina), Casio and combine it with a segment on the awesome micro brand segment!
You bring up an interesting point about the $500 to $1000 watch show. You'd have to snag a shit ton of watches because your sponsor doesn't work with that price range. It is an interesting cheap watch range. Since frankly that's going to be the next level of watch I'm starting to look at. I liked this episode. I really didn't know the architecture of these organization until this. I'm learning similar to you. My brother bought a Shinola Runwell Chrono a while ago as I was starting to get into watches. I really admired it but questioned the pricing and dodgy nature of the company's marketing. "Be honest god dammit and price your watches for what they are!", kept coming to mind. I would argue that my reproduction Seiko SSA289J1 Helmet nato strap is nicer and my Invicta S1 Rally (48mm watches are ugly huge on me) is so similar that it's sad that he paid almost 5 times as much. Thanks to r/Watches for the relevant things that can be learned from a big collective of watch geeks. Keep them coming Matt, I'm ready for the next episode.
Thanks! and TRUE about Shinola. The money they charge will get you into a very nice, automatic Seiko, which is a much better watch from a functional perspective, as well as getting "in the club" of watch guys, which a Shinola won't do.
How about an episode on attainable "Grail" watches? This might sound stuck up, but not trying to be. Maybe grail watches sub 100k? Definitely doable for an enthusiast to save up for and maybe treat oneself as a retirement or major milestone gift. I would be curious to see what other people list after. For me, it would be a Lange Datograph Annual
100k is attainable? If u can spend 100k, u can spend 500k. That's 0.001% of the population. Not really attainable. Sub $25000 is more attainable for the middle class. And even that is pushing it
I love my Bulgari Octo Ultranero Americas (in blue). It's one 1 of 250 made (worldwide) and it has an in-house Bulgrai movement.
I'd love to hear more about the history of American watchmaking, from Waltham to Weiss.
What about philippe charriol? Any impressions, would love to know. I inherited one.
How about deep-dives into particular brands? History of Rolex with examples and speculation of future status, history of Heuer/TAG, etc...
We will get there. Lots of episodes to record going forward. We are starting pretty wide and getting specifically nerdy down the road.
How does the movement affect the price of the watch? Does in house movement vs a more used/“universal” ETA movement affect the price and quality of the watch? Is one better than the other? For instance, when looking at some older base model Panerai Radiomir watches they seem to base their movement on an ETA movement, but then call it their OP X movement. Now they have in house movement such as their P.5000 calibre, but yet they seem to cost the same even on the used market for the older Radiomir models with ETA.
An important independent that I think should have been mentioned is H Moser. Often overlooked, but they are intense with their in house manufacturing, even the springs....
I agree with everything Cameron had on his Watch Madness... minus the Weiss beating the Cartier. Too bad there weren't any Seiko / Grand Seiko (would have put a Seiko Marinemaster 300) on there.
Hey guys what do you think about Baume & Mercier's Clifton Baumatic 10436. Supposedly its an in-house made movement and seems like it has really awesome features for $3k.
On next week's episode, we talk all about Chronographs, including that one!
Episode (or part of one) on where to get trusted watch accessories? Good quality non OEM NATO/Leather straps? Buckles/Deployment clasps? Stickers for your car about what kind of watch you own... jk jk. Saw the watch winders the previous episode have a bidirectional winder that you can set the number of revolutions to do daily and it'll intermittently run, happy with that thing, pretty quiet too.
Loving the podcasts guys. Consider doing an episode on automotive inspired watches? Now you guys have me considering whether to buy mods for the cars, or buy a new watch😂 seriously.
We think the connection between cars and watches is super obvious, but don't really like when it's too on-the-nose. So the Rolex Daytona being named after a race track, that's cool. But the "Breitling for Bentley," is too much and cheeseball. The watches that look like ripoffs of tachometers, just....no.
WatchAndListenPodcast Chopard Mille Miglia, Tag F1, Chopard Monaco, Tissot PRS 516, Group B Autodromo, Tudor fast rider chrono, some IWC's as well. Gotta throw in Christopher Ward and Steinhart as well
The way the VC Bezel Looks with the Notches .Looks Like one could screw or lock on bezel s . The Should make one with easy interchangeable bezels
Have been a silent listener of the almost all of the TST podcasts, which I am sad to see you step away from. Love the new channel as well, though. For a cheap watch $400 or so, I love the Citizen and Seiko pilot watches with the E6B slide rules that are basically cheap versions the Breitling. You could do a segment on these and bring in a pilot nerd guy to explain all of the cool navigations/fuel burn calculations that these watches enable
We're not stepping away from the TST podcast! We just doubled-up! We're now doing 2 episodes of The Smoking Tire podcast every week, released on Tuesday and Thursday, and W&L will be posted Wednesday.
Even if we don't want to be snobbish about watch names, please don't say "Glasshoot" because this means Glass debris in german (and Glashütte is a german word), Just seperate the word after Glas, thats how it would sound... hütte = hut (in german hut is also the word for the workshop where glass or metal is made)
Hey Matt for being a Giugiaro fanboy do you own any of the Giugiaro designed Seiko chronographs? Like the one from the 80s Alien movie? There was a limited reissue a few years back.
I just found out about those, Adam Craniotes from Redbar was wearing one. Gangster AF.
WatchAndListenPodcast yep very cool, very different, very Giugiaro......I just checked on ebay....... There's a few brand new reissue for sale but with different color coordination from the original.
Do a "Sleeper" watches episode.
Isn’t Federique Constant/Alpine under Citizen?
Ant G. Yup.
Almost seems like the chronograph hand on the overseas didn't line up exactly at 12
People in southamerica, well cut your hands instantly if we see a Rolex... 🤔 I LOVE your show Guys, Saludos from BuenosAires
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Its like GM using LS Engines in Silverados, Corvettes Suburbans and such LOL
Luminox watches do not have real bright lume paint like claimed in the video...No paint involved, it is Tritium gas filed vials.
I think the other VW Group brand is Seat
And then Traton Group AG that is wholly owned by VW Group, with Scania, MAN and Volkswagen Trucks and Buses in the commercial vehicle space.
Look up the Ulysse Nardin Astrolabium....
As far as black ceramic cases are concerned, the Omega Speedmaster Dark Side Of The Moon is INFINITELY better-looking than that Bulgari eyesore. A more apt name is Bulg-ugly. BVLGVGLI.
FC/Alpina are owned by citizen group
First open back were fob watches.
can you do Junghans, Nomos, etc
Lance Y these are very hard because we haven’t figured out how to get those watches in studio without buying them.
About pronunciation... Montblanc... No "K" sound at the end, the "c" is silent"...
Fred is probably Frederique Constant
Can I trade old aluminum cans?
I love your Chanel. Only thing I would say is maybe make more shorter clips
I can see someone wanting to digest the show in small chunks.. however, I like to have it on while I'm working, and I do enjoy the length. Just putting that out there.
Shit there’s still a 4 minute intro 🤮
Too long. Too many ads. (The first 10 mns for instance)
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I do think it's a polite way to do it, and while getting comfortable to watch (getting coffee in etc.) I tend to skip through those with ease - the music helps, good choice, Matt.