Indo-European Heaven - The Ancient Meaning of Sky
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- An examination of the meaning of "heaven" through Indo-European etymology. Through it, glimpses of a truly ancient worldview can be seen.
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Great timing. Am working on a video on the afterlife myself. Lots here to consider
Already subscribed to your channel as well look forward to see new content :)
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No kidding.
@@zaciroth I have shared it on my Telegram too
Looking forward to it
Fascinating. Kevin, do you find that researching the roots of language inspires ideas for other videos? Slightly unrelated but I was looking up the French equivalent of 'The Morrigan' which, at least according to the source I found, 'Morrigan'. Which naturally leads to the Celtic diaspora and the divide in French mythology between the country's Northern regions and those of Southern France. It's not something I've delved that deeply into as I only needed some basic information for a novel that I'm working on but I thought I'd share just to see if you have any thoughts on this 'quirk'. After all the Gauls are regarded as Celtic yet only the North seems to retain its Celtic heritage. Of course I could be way off beam here as sources on French folk tales, myths and legends appear rather thin on the ground compared to British, Irish, Native American, Egyptian, and Greco-Roman equivalents.
Hello will u please make a video on the pre-indo-european substrate/s of the British Isles
scafell pike in the first part of the video. been there about 3 times now
I suspect that Tartarus used to be a just a god, similar in concept to Jehovah, but got syncretized with other gods and became radically re-imagined as a different thing.
The original Scots are not Germanic. They're Celtic
Actually the original "Scots" were from Ireland - so many migrated and invaded into the kingdom of Strathclyde across the Irish sea that eventually the other side came to be called "Scotland" whereas before it was "Alba". This connection can be seem with the name of the Dark Ages Irish philosopher Scotus Eriugina who was Irish not Scottish. The "Schottenkirche in Vienna is not named after Scottish missionaries but of the numerous Irish ones who converted many of the Germanic peoples to Christianity.
In Dutch there also exists the word "zwerk" for sky, cognate of the Sanskrit word "svarg". By the end of the 20th century, this word had all but disappeared from our everyday language, but then it made an unexpected come-back thanks to the Dutch translation of the Harry Potter novels, in which they translated Quidditch as "Zwerkbal", i.e. Sky Ball.
Great video! I’ve noticed similarities with the PIE Dyeus Pater (heavenly father), of course Deus, Zeus, Jupiter, with the Baltic skygod Deivas, the rune Teiwaz, and the Finnish word for sky today ”taivas”. Then there is also the thing with the Sampo of Kalevala as the mill / pole of the sky, and the Indian Sambho, a cosmic pillar (?), plus the hammer of the skygod Ukko (meaning ”father”) is ”vasara” or ”vaaja” connecting maybe with the Indian Vajra. And as Ukko used to be called most likely Perkele, Perkunas, thundergod and ”lord of the oaks”, the word for ”oak” in some Indo-language seems to be ”perk”..? -Antti, Helsinki
It is not Zeus/Jupiter instead Saturn/Cronos the All Heavenly Father and the Firmament is Ouranos.
Dyeus Pater literally means Deva Pitr or Devas pitru which means God father.
Fascinating stuff man. I would love to hear the same sort of breakdown about Hell and helhiem.
Beautiful thing language is
I love this channel, all the others talking about myth are so literal to whatever writing survived. I like how your videos always go beyond that.
Thank you for all your work and the insight you share.
I've found as of late that finding a quiet place among nature and looking into the sky while thinking on my passed family and the unfathomable nature of divinity fills me with far more comfort and confidence than sharing a bench and hearing a lot of noise about the word of a dead foreign god. This video has helped me a little bit in returning to my roots.
Were it not for your considerable talents, this would have been tedious to research de novo. Fortunately, your presentation is so well done, that it’s more akin to poetry than an etiology lesson.
Just something I noticed a few years ago.. btw.. one of the Greek words for cloud is Nepheli.. which accounts for the biblical term Nephilim.. I think, as the fathers of the Nephilim were from the sky too, apparently. Greek and Hebrew are incredibly close to each other in many ways, too.
Thanks for sharing. 🤗 Blessings!
3:34 it's Áśmana not Asmara, you said it correctly at 17:26 , anyways the word for Stone in Sanskrit usually is Shilā (like the Ayurvedic medicine Shilājit)
Is it possible to trace European Himmel (2:25) to Indian Himalaya. In India, we associate Himalayas with heaven, and our ancient books also mention that the way to the heaven goes through the Himalayas,
If true, can it also hint towards out of India theory, which states that IndoEuropean Homeland was in Northern areas of Indian Subcontinent (possibly near Kashmir)?
Himalayas derives from Sanskrit "hima" (snow, frost) and "ālaya" (house, dwelling).
That is pretty interesting to think about
Not sure where I picked up this thought but I always thought heaven was where the gods lived and that they usually build in the mountains which are in the sky(in the clouds) so interesting reply from Grand Marshall.
This is also where my mind went. Sounds so similar & given the significance of the place I bet there's something to it. Figured it might be a dead-end though if it wasn't mentioned.
Interesting, as usual. Myths are so intriguing to me.
You never disappoint. Excellent video. I love etymology and you deliver the info well.
All these myths regarding the depiction of the cosmos as a cave remind me of an location in a videogame I just played, Elden Ring. In the game an underground area called "Siofra River" has a celestial vault made of glittering stones, which recall the stars in the sky. Really a sight to behold, especially the first time you set foot in it. Probably not by chance, the ruins in this area clearly reference the ruins of ancient Greece.
This authors of this game (From Software) have taken a lot from medieval and ancient Western mythos, also for their previous works.
Yo, entering Siofra River for the first time is an experience.
That was really good!
Thank you so much for this! The connection of heaven and stone makes great yet mysterious sense to me….. for this ball of rock we live upon came from the ethers! And maybe that some form of solid building (hammer) had to meet the vastness of the aboves for our middle to form here on earth. Much like rocks falling from the sky, we are miraculously and un accidentally on a floating rock too…. Hard to find words for the mystical beauties that behold us. However I strongly believe reclaiming the ancient ways, languages and beliefs can help us create a truly just, loving and harmonious world : )
I really appreciate the patterns you're able to notice and expand on in the way only an artist could Mr MacLean.
In Dhivehi ( Maldivian ) Suvaruge (Svarg in Sanskrit) is two words ; "Suvaru/ Svar" meaning Blessed/Happiness/Ease and "Ge" is a word for house. "Ge" also has cognates in Persian language Such as in the word "Baashgah" (Gym) where "Gah" means house/place.
This makes Bloodborne much more realistic.
Also my dream of standing on an eye of giant god waist-deep in the ocean in a cave which ceiling shimmered like space was more profound than i thought.
Lovecraft was right gods first call primitives, lunatics and artists.
Never connected the heavens with something as solid as stone but I suppose people observed that meteorites were made of stone so the heavens were of stone (actually silica) and the name "Peter" - Pietro,Pierre, Pedro, Petrus etc means "rock" or "stone" but I doubt if there is a connection?
Wiktionary will generally have IPA versions of all these P.I.E words and roots, it really helps with accurate pronunciation.
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The word “Heaven”, you say, derives from a proto indo-germanic word meaning stone. Funnily enough, the Hebrew word for stone is “evènn” - which is intriguing, as semitic languages aren’t supposedly related to indo-germanic ones 🤔 As regards “Ouranos”, or Heaven, meaning both “wide” and “rain” - again, the Hebrew word for the heavens, “Shamayim” incorporates the word “mayim”, meaning waters. Maybe the relationships are conceptual rather than linguistic, indicating that certain concepts were common to many societies over a broad geographical and linguistic range.
I love etymology rabbit holes, & the intersections of history & etymology. Thank you.
Stellar-Heaven is Kevin on Sunday morning! Be Happy, Geraldine
Thank you so holy thank you again you are a temple of knowledge and so logical science cheers I salute you
The roof beam of the sky, must be the mily way.
All I could think of when you began discussing Hebun was Professor Van Helsing saying: "Mein GOTT in Himmel!", then you brought up Himmel. Perfect. Thanks for the great content.
I'm surprised you didn't touch on the concept that Thor's stone hammer had lightning powers or that Zeus's thunderbolts were forged by Hephaestus on a stone anvil........lso in all the old hebrew heavens literally translates to sky, and the hebrew god lived on a mountain, not in the sky, that concept would come much later,a nd then eventually the Christians would interpret heaven to mean an ethereal realm.
Fascinating. Thank you..
in Hindi sky is called Aasmaan
You didn't mention Swaroży, Svarog, Radogost
Great Video
Heaven is a place on Earth. Heaven could be achieved if people were able to create it by following Truth. This after reaching enlightenment along having become a moral person. The root from the Aryan mythology is a solar religion. The oldest most complete written down adaptation from the Lady can be found in the poems of Inanna and the Huluppu Tree, Inanna her Descent to the Great Below. It shows the path of the sun, the enlightenment, and becoming a moral person of age. More fragemented and with missing parts can be found in the Vedics or the lost Mycenaean mythology. One that is complete is the Celtic and Nordic myhtology however they were adapted and modifed over time.
In the narrative Inanna becomes divine after acquiring all the knowledge of chthonic realm and is able to judge in a moral sence when she returns to the Below. From there she can create heaven in her temple.
What are your thoughts on The Northman movie?
excellent production values. keep it up.
Fascinating. Axis mundi and all that. Sad to say people fight and die over the shades of meaning we lend to the cosmos and our relationship to it.
Slavic nebo is also closely related to the -hebus, since it’s coming from Greek нєбєсє. As you can notice, spelling both words and upper case produces the same image but slightly different sound: HEBO. Slavic n looks like this in upper case H, and Slavic b (Б) is usually really close to v (В) in sound. So, another aspect of word relations can be it’s graphical representation.
Such a wonderful video!!
The bright sky (the novel quantity, the benefice of the goddess) entices and the stoney sky is the clothing suitably worn by the the axis mundi. these kind of conflations of terms are common in mysticism
Would you say the fairy tale of Jack and the Beanstalk is based on the mythical idea of a giant plant touching the heavens?
Do you have a video on the etymology books you use to source your information? I'd love to acquire some good ones.
Really good info and connections. Maybe a proofer/editor for slips in usage in the narrative? But the contextualizing and scholarship itself - awesome. Thank you!
Amazing Channel, just Subscribed!!
In sanskrit NABHA means SKY
Interesting that Neorxnawang could mean field of rushes, which is an Ancient Egyptian afterworld.
Fascinating.I subscribed.Looking forward to tune in again.
Awesome!!! Have just saved to watch later..Can't wait 🌹🌹🌹
cool channel is it mostly philology?
Thank you .
Wait a sec - the Gaelic ceo is a cognate of sky?! In that case, the Isle of Skye's Gaelic name Eilean a cheo makes perfect sense! Mind blown! 🤯😁
Great video!
Fascinating! Subscribed! 👍👍💖
Very interesting
Could himil be similar to 'himalayas'?
Cuz when Mahabharata war ended, lord yama guided a few people (as mentioned in the Mahabharata) high into the Himalayas into the heaven (Swarga/mukti).
Sanskrit is the language, responsible for All these word & all language on earth , so dont flatter yourself as you neglecting the source because , there is no doubt that The heaven etc came from Home ( होम ) or Havan ( हवन ) which is responsible for the creation & sky etc came from Aakaash ( आकाश ) or Ether . Also fermanent is possible derived from Brahmanda ( ब्रह्मांड ), which means universe .
Nope.
@@Dice_roller yes
@@howling-heart Nope.ˣ²
No it's not
Wait, how do you get "sepeher" from "kweytos"???
Thank you for your videos.
You are correct.sanathana dharma equates heaven , to sky.
loving the new stuff on the channel v interesting
who else was reminded of the hale theme song at the beginning? 😀
Wonderful video. Χαίρε from Greece.
Excellent Work
Amazing content
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The sky father, the spiritual realm.
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amazing stuff. please share the secondary literature from which you've done your research. greetings from a fellow scholar.
So many examples. Even from small contry like Lighuanian. But no one Ukrainian. Like the language never existed.
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Can you do a video on Indo-European warrior women like shieldmaidens, Amazons, Tomyris, & Brunhild,
Interesting concepts but the bad pronunciations and the *IRISH* language being called "Gaelic" is unbearable to listen to
I think he's using the Scots Gailic pronunciation as that his heritage.
I love your choice of topics.
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