You are absolutely clueless, and incorrigible. Importantly, Prof W. E. B du Bois was very specific about pronouncing his name correctly. He instructed even before Prof. Gayatri C. Spivak born. The gentleman (I do not want refer his name) who introduced himself as a founding professor of School of "Brahman Studies" at JNU should be well aware of this. It now turns out that the same gentleman is a masters student. Therefore, he is a liar, gate crusher and a disrupter to the assembly. Possibly his sole purpose was to disrupt the meeting and bring disrepute to the university. Note that the stature of Prof Gayatri C. Spivak is very tall. She is internationally renowned for her academic aura. The misdemeanor of this gentleman would only hurt the reputation of JNU. It would not make any difference to Prof Spivak.
Spivak is known to behave like an arrogant and haughty Memsahib towards Indian academicians. She feels she can get away with anything in India because she is a part of an elite American academic circle. Years of teaching in top American universities has taught her little by way of courtesy.
Before we deconstruct her behavior and self, do research her fieldwork amongst subaltern sections across Asia and Africa...if she behaved harshly, which I think she did, we can critique that aberration without being harsh
I haven't met a gori chamdi academician who can get the pronunciation of even half of Indian names they reference correctly. Let's admit it, Spivak did not want to answer the question that was coming.
@@rthavocmakershe clearly said that she confronted the student on his pronunciation because 'she didn't know he was a dalit, she thought he was Brahmin'. So it is totally ok for her to harass a Brahmin student, if she knew he was dalit she wouldn't do it.
So Spivak correcting Kumar once is an issue of brahinims and brahinism superiority. But Kumar taking it on his ego and repeating the same pronunciation (intentionally) and then taking it to twitter to call her bastard and bitch is justified?? Hypocrisy at its best
Gayatri Spivak needs to be told that being kind is far more important than being correct. After all, it is very well known that there is no hard and fast rule when it comes to pronouncing proper nouns like names.
@@Roonlovesfish3874 yes this is promotion casteism by targeting one cast in particular. And what will they teach in that centre??? Obviously hate and propoganda lol
Sometimes mispronunciation can create an embarrassing situation. For example in Urdu "Jaleel" means revered, respected, dignified etc but if we pronounce it as "Zaleel", it means exactly the opposite of jaleel
But unlike the woman in the video, we also shouldn't assume that if one doesn't pronounce the name properly, it doesn't mean that they are disrespecting the person. The socialist historian whose name is causing her to lose her mind was a fallible human being who will die like everyone else.
What is right pronunciation? Bengalis say "shourobh" while others call "sourabh" ; "amrita" is also "amruta" etc. There are many such names in India which are pronounced differently in different part. Which one should be considered as correct?
Prof Spivak is absolutely correct. How would the great Indian "patriots" respond if a foreigner mispronounces Modi's name to make it sound pakistani? At least making an effort to pronounce someone's name correctly is a basic courtesy. These same people sent death threats to Maria Sharapova, a person completely unfamiliar with cricket, for not knowing who Sachin Tendulkar was. Many foreigners mispronounce my long and complex Rajput name. When I correct them, often in similar public conferences like this, do you know what they do? They apologize, 100% of the time. They do not throw a fit, call it a triviality, or post a rage video on twitter. And this guy was not mispronouncing due to some regional accent or cultural divide, which would be understandable. In fact he tried to be over-smart by using a french pronunciation. He was an ignorant egomaniac. I expect his "brahmin studies professor" sensibilities got hurt because a real meritocrat, and a woman to boot, corrected him.
That's one way of looking at it. But historically, in the Indian context, hold over a so called 'elite' language has been used to perpetuate the cause of intellectual/class/caste stratification. Be it Sanskrit vs Pali or English vs a Native language. So when Spivak rudely corrects a person who might have mispronounced a proper noun, the irony is unmissable. So much for asking whether a subaltern can speak. From my personal anecdotal experience of studying Humanities in India, I ve seen so many of these so called elite professors dismissing students who may not possess language prowess without even listening to the point they want to make.
I completely agree with you. My personal experience is exactly the same. Indians by an large lack in the concept of courtesy demand. Telling sorry (apologizing) for the mistake never appears in their mind. The guy who claimed founding professor of "Brahman Studies" did not even bother to say sorry for not pronouncing the name correctly. When guest speaker, Spivak, alerted the person with correct pronunciation, the gentlemen did not care at all and he was rude enough to utter "triviality".
@@AM-jv7bo This is not about class or elitism. This is about merit. That guy was not mispronouncing the name because of some regional accent or cultural divide. He was doing it out of ignorance. In fact he tried to sound like a smarta** by trying to mimic a French pronunciation (instead of a literal one) because he ignorantly presumed Mr Du Bois to be of French origin. Then when corrected, he did it again, deliberately, purely out of ego and malice.
Privilege in India is about getting thin-skinned and wilfully stubborn. The smallest correction is assumed as an insult. But Spivak can be rather tangential as well.
Languages were used as a tool to exert superiority at some point even now it is prevalent but the actors have changed. Subliminal statement,she used which u don't find offensive but sadly she is bully.
North Indians who are great champions of the so-called "National language" (Hindi) routinely mispronounce South Indian and Bengali names. Even when pointed out they persist. This Kumar character reminds me of them. Their arrogance has been taken head-on by Spivak.
I couldn't agree more. Moreover, the gentleman is a liar. He introduced himself as a founding professor of "Brahman Studies". His sole intent was to create a nuisance in a civic discussion. The poor guy has no understanding how to behave appropriately and nicely with a guest lecturer. Spivak is internationally renowned academic. The guy can hardly dent the credibility of such a tall figure, instead his and his institute's prestige have been damaged to the outside world. That is the problem with the many (of course not all) youngsters in India. They do not understand that to achieve such a high stature in academic front one needs to be humbled enough and find appropriate means of asking question. She is a 83 years old lady. If she is short tempered at her age -- so it be. One cannot misbehave with grandpa and grandma, even when they may sometimes throw tantrums.
It's not a one way street. Ignorant southies butcher plenty of north Indian names as well. You guys say Del-lee instead of Dilli, Lak-now instead of Lakhnau. Please learn how to pronounce north Indian names correctly instead of preaching us. Makes you look like a hypocrite.
@@abhaychatterjee7992 Dear Abhay Chatterjee, I am as concerned with Bengalis, as you are. What she did, any self respecting academician would have done the same. She should not show herself as a meek. If you being a Bengali do not know to uphold your self respect and high esteem, then it is your fault.
Some comments call Spivak an example of Western hegemony (in English), or talk about different European languages. But du Bois' name is Haitian, and its pronunciation reflects the ongoing legacy of Haitian anti-colonial struggle that has affected the entire world, and was part of the content of the presentation. In other contexts, Spivak corrects and cuts off inappropriate questions from Western audience members without hesitation.
It may be true that Spivak could have been more diplomatic in handling the situation....but Ashok Kumar made no effort to correct himself. He mispronounced the Du Bois name each time he spoke, as though he has a right to pronounce another person's name in whatever way he pleases ! This is a display of arrogance, Hindutva style....
What kind of world is she living. Ask her how people at Columbia university pronounce her middle name “Chakravorty”. Very likely they will call her Ms Chak. I am not sure even that spelling of ‘Chakravorty’ is correct Is it really vorty or varty. The meaning is King Emperor. More over she says if he had said that he was a Dalit she would have spoken differently. Isn’t that plain discrimination? What is the point of having all the degrees. As you get older you should become wiser. But how can one be wiser if they don’t have wisdom
I live in the same world as you (if you think your world is full of civility and senses, at least my world is). Whether someone calls her Chak (which is certainly rude if she specifies that she should not be called in such a way) makes no difference regarding incidence. Firstly, the gentleman introduced himself as a founding professor of "Brahman Studies". Later, he claimed he was a student, which suggests lying publicly. He entered the August gathering with the intent of disrupting it. If his lying is not considered an offence, it must be construed as a misdemeanour. Secondly, it is immaterial whether the gentleman is Dalit or from an upper caste; he must learn courtesy. The lecture was on subalterns, to which Prof W. E. B. du Bois was referred. It is important to note that Prof du Bois, an African American, specified categorically to pronounce his name (way back in 1939), as Prof Gayatri C. Spivak demonstrated. When Prof Spivak asked him to pronounce Du Bois's name appropriately, he repeated it incorrectly. The trouble with the majority Indians is that they do not understand what courtesy means. The gentleman could have said, "Sorry for mispronouncing his name". Instead, he charged her with the word "triviality". Spivak was invited as a guest speaker to deliver a lecture. Courtesy demanded to be treated appropriately. Note that Dalit does not necessarily qualify to be a subaltern. For example, the son of the late Rambilas Paswan is not a subaltern, nor does Mrs Mayavati. Women in a patriarchal society (even within upper caste) belong to the group of subaltern. I hope you understand.
Sorry I can’t accept your opinion. I have lived in England and USA for many years and has travelled to different parts of the world. I am speaking from my personal experiences of witnessing the people in those countries struggling and then giving up names of people from foreign countries. Whether he was a lier or not she was supposed to be an educated person and had more experience in this world. Those are the people who becomes wiser if they have wisdom. Du Bois may be important for her. Du Bois or Tu Bois or Two Bees need not be important for everyone. She could try to correct him but doesn’t have to him rudely even if he is rude. That is where wisdom is used to deal with different types of people. If you don’t have it don’t go for these type of gatherings.
@@ksjames1859 Accepting my opinion or not belies on you. You have missed my point dear. If I ask you to pronounce my name appropriately it is your duty to do so (at least try to do so). It doesn't matter whether you have lived in England and US many years. It was an academic discussion where W. E. B. du Bois was referred. Therefore, it was not casual mode of discussion -- please note that. How could you not acknowledge a misdemeanor of a person and you are giving him a clean chit. Don't you think it is ridiculous. Note that the person with whom you are conversing is no way less experienced dealing people from various parts of the world including the Western world. Indians are by far the rudest people on earth. They do not know to say sorry (for mistakes or even blunder). They never bother to use the word "Thank you" when they some favor. I, being an Indian, know it very well.
@@ksjames1859 My dear ksjames -- You just cannot say the name of du Bois is important to Spivak only. This is because it was an academic exercise discussing on du Bois, where du Bois was an important personality on the topic of subaltern. He was a civil right activist in US in the early 20th century. Please keep it in mid that it was an academic forum.
Mr spaceagegeocom I fully understand that this was an academic forum. When I was in UK and USA I have been to many academic forums where speakers from different countries English speaking and non English speaking countries including India. I could not understand some of these speakers. It was the same with some of my colleagues from that country. I can assure you that even some Americans will have trouble understanding what she because of the pronunciation. If you are an academician try to listen to some academicians from different countries. You also will have problems in understanding some words or even names they say. Therefore you point that this is an academic forum has no value. Therefore one who is supposed to be highly educated claims to be working in a so called Ivy League university should have been wiser hate to say again if that person had wisdom Enjoyed your opinion. Love to hear again
When my mom used a technique called shining stars(for those who kept quiet and listened to the teacher)and hiding stars(for those who interrupted and talked during class),the whole parent community of 5th A (her class) complained to the principal,who in turn complained to the Assistant Commissioner of Kvs ,who without understanding the teacher's side took action against her and gave her an increment cut for a year.Silencing teachers by parents is also taking place in the society
Silencing kids with love is an art. The teachers of India are intimidating. Not blaming your mom. But here in Europe teachers are friendly and with more closeness they get respect from students. While we in India are afraid of teachers.
I'm sorry to say this, but your diction and pronunciation need improvement. I am 36th seconds into your video, and I still haven't understood the point you're trying to make. Please focus on these aspects, as clear communication is essential. If your speech is unclear, it might be better not to appear on camera. It's disappointing to struggle to comprehend your message.
These days.....people often care more about fixing grammar mistakes than understanding the main point of what's being said It's like they prioritize perfect English over the actual message which is kind of sad....👏 😂 Seems like she's more interested in correcting someone pronunciations than answer the matter LoL 😆
Meanwhile I was thinking how all these northies mispronounce a South Indian name. Look how Arnab pronounce karunanidhi and kanimozhi. I remember once how a national award committee member mispronounced and infact doesn't cared about it when a national award for best actor award announced to a south actor. There is a saying in tamil "தனக்கு வந்தா இரத்தம் அடுத்தவனுக்கு வந்தா tomota sauce"
@5:23 it’s pronounced /ˈpɪvətl/ not pivital. - P.S -Just schooling you kindly don’t take it otherwise and for god sake don’t make a video on pronunciation and be schooled by pronunciation in the comment (you may make a video ).
it is shown solidarity for asker of question. it was so agnorrent and not magnimus to handull something so treeveal more grassfully. in a dibet with pievotle figure in the filled you need to clayreefy the quayree.
She is a teacher, it is her job to coreect you. Good teachers are often harsh when they need to be. Spivak is known to be stern but rarely too harsh. This guy claims to be a Phd student but doesn't know basic stuff. There is a reason our institutes aren't in the top universities across the world bcz we do not strive for greateness, we just want to get by and ACT smart rather than be it. No thank you.
@@sarangasaikia343 Thanks for correcting. You see I corrected the mistake that happened due to oversight. One can be respectable and accept one's mistake and not deliberately try to provoke the other. Once again thanks 🙏
So why the hell is she not correcting westerners, the people whom she loves the most, butchering Indian names all the time ? This is just her snobbish double standards and nothing more.
It's quite frustrating when someone corrects our English, especially our grammar and pronunciation. We will fight tooth and nail, arguing that whatever we have learned is correct and anyone who corrects us is a demon, a villain. Once, an elderly gentleman corrected my mispronunciation of the word 'isle' (group of islands). I had just entered college then and was furious. There are many words we mispronounce because of our ignorance. It is unfortunate that students at JNU have not learned to be good and attentive students who wish to learn. Instead, they remain adamant and stick to their own arguments. No wonder Indian academic universities don't find a place in the top 100 best universities in the world. Although JNU is supposed to be the best Central University and Jadavpur University in Kolkata is the best State University in India, none of them feature in the top 100. No wonder we have the likes of Lalu Prasad as an alumnus of JNU. I don't like the way the students reacted against this 83-year-old venerable scholar by calling her a bastard, a bitch, a smoker, and a Brahmin elitist. I have heard from a great scholar at Harvard and a RKM monk (on RUclips only) who said that she was appearing for an exam for her regular Chinese language classes at Harvard at the ripe age of 80 years. Let's see how many of these ignorant students and professors at JNU repeat that feat when they are octogenarians themselves-if they actually live to that age, as someone pointed out she smoked like a chimney in her youthful days.
We need to rise up to standards not bring pull them down. We need to be empathetic towards sensitive issues as names. Both were haughty and then cowardly hiding behind caste and gender.But the other strand is the discussion would have been different if the setting, ethnicity and colour of Spivak, Kumar and Du Bois had been different. A rose is not a rose by any other name.
Quality of education is about the content, not about accents, peonounciations, grammar, and language. If the degree sought is in pronounciations & accents, perhaps then. But even Oxford English Dictionary seems to admit several new words that sound gibberish until they find a place in the dictionary. Let’s not miss the plot in the pursuit of pseudo-entitlement!
हे ज्ञानी पुरुष! हर जगह के भाषा का उच्चारण अलग होता है। कई बार किसी एक कंट्री में जो शब्द मिलता है दूसरे कंट्री में वह शब्द नहीं मिलता है। जैसे अंग्रेज कभी भी भारत नहीं बोलते क्योंकि उनके डिक्शनरी में भ है ही नहीं वह हमेशा बारत बोलते हैं। रूस R को रगड़ के बोलते हैं. इसलिए कोई भी आदमी जो ऊस कंट्री का नेटिव नहीं है अगर वहां की भाषा या नाम बोलता है तो डिफेक्ट आएगा यह स्वाभाविक है इसका उसके ज्ञान से कोई लेना देना नहीं है।
हैरानी की बात है कि कुछ लोग इसे दलित मुद्दे से जोड़कर देख रहे हैं। कोई अपनी फ्रेंच झाड़ने के लिए ही डू बोइस का उच्चारण डू ब्वा करेगा। वर्ना ज्यादातर भारतीय इसे डू बोइस ही कहेंगे। यदि किसी का गलत उच्चारण किसी की राष्ट्रीयता को ही बदल दे तो उसे ठीक करना जरूरी है।
One shouldn't be too critical about corrections as it is all about learning at a centre of learning. The entire audience too benefitted from that learnng experience.
@@shelldie8523Wasting time in mugging up names pronunciation is in itself an example of mediocrity. Such people never actually understand any concepts and produce loads of biased research in academia...and that ultimately causes bad rank.
Anchors'' pronunciation would have drawn much rebuke from Spivak. Very poor show from the renowned Professor Spivak. What is she trying to communicate.
When we were young, if we encountered such academics, we would show respect, put our heads down and forget the incident Now these entitied brats hink they can bully people by posting videos online. These brats will never match up to 1/10 this lady's achievements.
Pity that you did that when you were young. I am a teacher, and had I been your teacher then, I would've advised you to hold your head up, and stand up for what you believe in. Always ask questions, always be polite, but don't let anyone intimidate you and get away with it. I am an English teacher, by the way.
@@Someone-ft4yw Some may be born with perfect beliefs that never changed in their life but for the rest of us, beliefs are something that evolve. i held my head high which i competed or took up a challenge. many of my teachers are far from perfect and because of them i learnt to navigate real life and standing up for what really matters. Insults dont affect me nor my ego gets bruised when someone doesnt respect me. In hindsight, i guess such teachers helped me learn to focus more on the outcome and less on people.
What are her achievements apart from blabbering nonsense and calling it deep? What good has she done for the world? How many policy decisions have been made because of her work that have positively affected the lives of people at the grassroot level?
Correcting something be it pronounciation or any otherelse by a teacher should not be matter of discussion and should not be considered as humiliation. That is natural and her duty too. We all had such humiliating incidents in the lecture hall before hundreds of batchmates. We took it as a part of student lives and never had grudges to the teachers. What she says is right. She wants her students to live upto the reputation of the university. Mispelling words , or mispronouncing simple words after attaining such level of education in such university don't look nice at all. She wants to improve thier level. Yes, she could have done it better.
A dalit student is entitled to pronounce english with begusarai accent, that is perfectly fine. Remember, everything should be around the concept of "marginalised"
If someone mispronounced a common noun I would correct. But proper nouns can have several pronunciations and all should be accepted. Liberty must especially be given to non natives
The irony of the matter is that the presenter's, Ms. Yadav's, English pronunciation isn't that good either. She just mis-pronunced 'renowned' and 'Columbia'.
So now a teacher cannot correct a student's pronunciation?? A student has the right to call a professor bastard and bitch because she has the 'audacity' to correct his pronunciation?? Good, I hope that boy becomes a professor one day and faces such students himself. Though it looks a far off possibility now as he is still an MA student at the age of 28. On the other hand, the professor going too much with his pronunciation, going to the level of actually silencing him over his pronunciation issue because she 'thought he was a Brahmin'!! Wow!! so Brahmin hatred and oppressing Brahmins is openly approved in JNU? I thought these professors give big talks about casteism and all. Hypocrisy has no limit. God save the oppressed Brahmin students studying under such professors there. Over all so many red flags...JNU has become a hub of all kinds of evils it seems
If you come across a name, out of the blue for the very first time, you can make mistakes in the pronunciation. But if you're writing an essay about the person, giving a talk about the person etc, then it's important for you to learn how to pronounce that person's name correctly. I guess she could still have reacted better with kindness.
Observation the narrator needs to correct her English pronunciations If you choose to speak in any language, ensure that you speak it as required. Ws Vs and so many more jarring mispronounced words 😮😮
JNU is full of such hoity-toity professors with a very condescending attitude towards the students whose first language is Hindi and who have perhaps not studied in the top English medium schools.
Pronouncing a hatian name in a french way is nothing short of identity theft. Sabotage of his politics. Specially when the coloniser is french and colonised is haitian . Its cultural appropriation. A phd scholar who claims himself to be a founding professor of brahmin studies , meaning he is supposed to be a critique of historical oppressive power structures . He should be sensitive to such " Trivialities " Because such " trivialities " means identity to someone . The incident proves how some people have no respect for senior scholars especially who have such important contributions to the field. Neither for Du bois nor for Spivak .
You do realize that the name itself is as French as it gets. I'm a native french speaker and would have pronounced it the proper French way , like the student did.
@@Misierbobo then i must tell you that you are being politically incorrect and to some extent insensitive. First of all it was not a student it was founding professor of brahmin studies. Du bois is haitian person , he mentioned at numerous places as to why to pronounce his name in the french way is sabotaging his politics. You see he was a Haitian which was a french colony . So the French were the oppressors and the Haitians were the oppressed. Guess what she mentioned this at the beginning of the talk. Like for example I don't want my name to be anglicised. I clearly said this in the previous comment and i am repeating it again.
@@surjamitbhattacharjee1645 A quick Google search showed that he is actually an American but with rather diverse /mixed ancestry. Apparently he himself used the anglicized pronunciation of his name and corrected those who didn't, in which case, the professor is right (albeit rude) in that his name should be respected. More so considering Dubois' politics as you pointed out. Unfortunately, the Professor failed to pass this message and came across as unnecessarily haughty and pedantic. Regarding your last point about how you wouldn't want your name to be anglicized. The difference is that you kept your Indian name, while the Haitians didn't retain their original African names and were given French names. In your example, it would Be like having a Haitian called Jean (pronounced the french way) but who decides to go by John in order to fight decolonisation. Ultimately though, for those who you do not know about said historian, it is fair to assume that a french name would be pronounced in the french way, same for English, Hindi or any other languages.
Ask a westerners particularly from Columbia University to pronounce all the eastern students at the college. I will bet most cannot pronounce their names effectively.
Prof Gayatri is a noted a academician . Students gathered in large numbers to hear her speak her mind and explorations ..it is sad that an attitude of delusional superior colonial hangover is shadowing her otherwise impressive academic exploits
Quality of education is about the content, not about accents, pronunciations, grammar, and language. If the degree sought is in pronounciations & accents, perhaps then it makes sense to be so pedantic. But even Oxford English Dictionary seems to admit several new words that sound gibberish until they find a place in the dictionary. Let’s not miss the plot in the pursuit of pseudo-entitlement!
She is one hundred percent correct.if one in academia cannot pronounce correctly imagine what quality of education or guidance he/she is going to provide others.
Do atleast the teachers of English in India especially those teach English Phonology, test students on it, grade and certify students pronounce any word whose pronunciation they teach as however they teach Pronunciations - GB and US? Let anybody justify their profession as they measure and certify knowledge! They then scream mutual intelligibility!!
Nanes are according to local language which when converted into english anyway loose their essence. So this is a futile exercise. Moreover Shakespeare said, "what's in the name".
It is a ploy to divert what was coming at her to test her elite mindset statments authenticity..... Then comes English pronounciation class... Even Du Bois wudnt have bothered much about how is name is being called...
A Dalit boy being a founder of BRAHMIN STUDIES and the guest lecturer here working for subalterns...yet both of them are not true for the cause they are doing ... It's like they are doing things which they hate the most...# applies to both of them...tit for tat ...
As long as we are talking about pronunciations, can we all take a note on how the girl in the video has butchered the simplest english words? If irony had a face, this would be it.
still many American academics will mispronounce her name and she would smile to them
She can't ignore dollar.
You are absolutely clueless, and incorrigible. Importantly, Prof W. E. B du Bois was very specific about pronouncing his name correctly. He instructed even before Prof. Gayatri C. Spivak born. The gentleman (I do not want refer his name) who introduced himself as a founding professor of School of "Brahman Studies" at JNU should be well aware of this. It now turns out that the same gentleman is a masters student. Therefore, he is a liar, gate crusher and a disrupter to the assembly. Possibly his sole purpose was to disrupt the meeting and bring disrepute to the university. Note that the stature of Prof Gayatri C. Spivak is very tall. She is internationally renowned for her academic aura. The misdemeanor of this gentleman would only hurt the reputation of JNU. It would not make any difference to Prof Spivak.
@@spaceagegeocon4880 she herself mispronounced it, Du Bois has mentioned it to be pronounced as Dew BoiS' and she is pronouncing it like Do Boys...
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@@Nawongyonten-yp4fz Thank you Chris.
Spivak is known to behave like an arrogant and haughty Memsahib towards Indian academicians. She feels she can get away with anything in India because she is a part of an elite American academic circle. Years of teaching in top American universities has taught her little by way of courtesy.
Before we deconstruct her behavior and self, do research her fieldwork amongst subaltern sections across Asia and Africa...if she behaved harshly, which I think she did, we can critique that aberration without being harsh
Lol it's more like when are failed brahmin academics gonna behave like an academic instead of a spoilt child.
This is also how we get doh Lund trump
and some elite bramhins things that they own the world.
Can Mr. Spivak speak? :o)
I haven't met a gori chamdi academician who can get the pronunciation of even half of Indian names they reference correctly. Let's admit it, Spivak did not want to answer the question that was coming.
Trashy.
Exactly, she was dodging the question
That is the whole drama .
Look at this anchor cleverly ignoring the Spivak's remark on brahmin part
What did she say i could not catch it properly
Exactly
@@rthavocmakershe clearly said that she confronted the student on his pronunciation because 'she didn't know he was a dalit, she thought he was Brahmin'. So it is totally ok for her to harass a Brahmin student, if she knew he was dalit she wouldn't do it.
She would have gone on a rampage if they pronounced it as Dubey.
Lol
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@@Selenic_c 😉
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Brahamanvaadi ho tum yr😅😅
Can a subaltern speak?
Spivak: : Not while I am correcting his pronunciation.
Can a subaltern correct Spivak?
Spivak: No..I am 82 years old!
How is that pale streak of pss a subaltern. He's not even a private.
So Spivak correcting Kumar once is an issue of brahinims and brahinism superiority.
But Kumar taking it on his ego and repeating the same pronunciation (intentionally) and then taking it to twitter to call her bastard and bitch is justified??
Hypocrisy at its best
Subalterns are new Brahmins in academics of India
Clever way to highlight her hypocrisy!
Meanwhile the Englishman who colonised India changed our places name just because they couldn't pronounce it..
Pondicherry
Trivandrum
Vizag ..
Gayatri Spivak needs to be told that being kind is far more important than being correct. After all, it is very well known that there is no hard and fast rule when it comes to pronouncing proper nouns like names.
As if foreigners can pronounce Indian names perfectly.
So if they can't we should aim to be like them right?
Plus who can forget doh land trump and swami vivekamanumnundaaa
@@shelldie8523it might not be possible for everyone to pronounce everything correctly
Good point. Indian Americans themselves can't pronounce their own names correctly let alone the locals.
@@shelldie8523 Are you mistress of Dohland trump. You feeling real sad 😂
I want to see her same stick of rules for correct pronouciation of Bharatiya name in USA!
1:00 Exhibition of our ancient cultural tradition of furious nose-picking in public, exactly next to the camera.
😂 It is primitive tendency seen in Chimpanzees too.
😂😂😂😂 wow what an observation!
Spivak has always been extremely arrogant and rude.
All poststructuralists have been
Centre for brahman studies. What a joke 😂
Why is no one calling it casteism? Oh wait doesn't suit their agenda
Casteism! Why?
@@Roonlovesfish3874 yes this is promotion casteism by targeting one cast in particular. And what will they teach in that centre??? Obviously hate and propoganda lol
Focussing on the pronunciation and not on the content of question shows her shallowness
Let the Subaltern speak. Pronunciation does not matter in this kind of interaction.
Precisely!
Sometimes mispronunciation can create an embarrassing situation. For example in Urdu "Jaleel" means revered, respected, dignified etc but if we pronounce it as "Zaleel", it means exactly the opposite of jaleel
I have only ever come across Zaleel till now and glad to say, I have been using it correctly.
Didn't know Jaleel also existed!
Nahi khel aiy Dagh yaron se kah do
K aati hai urdu zaban aatey aatey,,,
The above two lines are by Dagh Dehlavi, a famous Urdu poet.
Nahi khel aiy Dagh yaron se kah do
K aati hai urdu zaban aatey aatey,,,
The above two lines are by Dagh Dehlavi, a famous Urdu poet.
Choosing this reporter for this report is even slap in the face of her
And she is one of the leading postcolonial critiques
The guy had no intention of asking a question, he just wanted to be in the lime light
I hope you have yours😂😂😂
Professor Spivak is right. He needed a reality check and she gave it to him. A little harsh but he will remember it and introspect.
Unlikely. He's supposed to be an elite acamedician yet behaves like a child..
Reality Check my foot.
You're saying that he doesn't have the Right to ask questions if she doesn't like his accent? Wtf
@@sageofsixpaths98 Lack of accent doesnt justify his ignorance. you should know how to pronounce names of notable people
I think we should all learn to pronounce the names of people how they do it. It shows how much respect we have for that person, big or small...
But unlike the woman in the video, we also shouldn't assume that if one doesn't pronounce the name properly, it doesn't mean that they are disrespecting the person. The socialist historian whose name is causing her to lose her mind was a fallible human being who will die like everyone else.
What is right pronunciation? Bengalis say "shourobh" while others call "sourabh" ; "amrita" is also "amruta" etc. There are many such names in India which are pronounced differently in different part. Which one should be considered as correct?
@aparnabhattacharjee-lf6cp Every name has its origin, native. More than that, I would like to hear my name pronounced the way I do it.
Prof Spivak is absolutely correct. How would the great Indian "patriots" respond if a foreigner mispronounces Modi's name to make it sound pakistani? At least making an effort to pronounce someone's name correctly is a basic courtesy.
These same people sent death threats to Maria Sharapova, a person completely unfamiliar with cricket, for not knowing who Sachin Tendulkar was.
Many foreigners mispronounce my long and complex Rajput name. When I correct them, often in similar public conferences like this, do you know what they do? They apologize, 100% of the time. They do not throw a fit, call it a triviality, or post a rage video on twitter.
And this guy was not mispronouncing due to some regional accent or cultural divide, which would be understandable. In fact he tried to be over-smart by using a french pronunciation. He was an ignorant egomaniac. I expect his "brahmin studies professor" sensibilities got hurt because a real meritocrat, and a woman to boot, corrected him.
That's one way of looking at it. But historically, in the Indian context, hold over a so called 'elite' language has been used to perpetuate the cause of intellectual/class/caste stratification. Be it Sanskrit vs Pali or English vs a Native language. So when Spivak rudely corrects a person who might have mispronounced a proper noun, the irony is unmissable. So much for asking whether a subaltern can speak. From my personal anecdotal experience of studying Humanities in India, I ve seen so many of these so called elite professors dismissing students who may not possess language prowess without even listening to the point they want to make.
I completely agree with you. My personal experience is exactly the same. Indians by an large lack in the concept of courtesy demand. Telling sorry (apologizing) for the mistake never appears in their mind. The guy who claimed founding professor of "Brahman Studies" did not even bother to say sorry for not pronouncing the name correctly. When guest speaker, Spivak, alerted the person with correct pronunciation, the gentlemen did not care at all and he was rude enough to utter "triviality".
@@AM-jv7bo This is not about class or elitism. This is about merit. That guy was not mispronouncing the name because of some regional accent or cultural divide. He was doing it out of ignorance. In fact he tried to sound like a smarta** by trying to mimic a French pronunciation (instead of a literal one) because he ignorantly presumed Mr Du Bois to be of French origin. Then when corrected, he did it again, deliberately, purely out of ego and malice.
Privilege in India is about getting thin-skinned and wilfully stubborn. The smallest correction is assumed as an insult. But Spivak can be rather tangential as well.
What the hell is Brahimn studies? She was right to correct him. Although, she was a bit too harsh. Pronounciation of words is important.
Studying the behaviour of Brahmins, is Brahmin studies.
Languages were used as a tool to exert superiority at some point even now it is prevalent but the actors have changed.
Subliminal statement,she used which u don't find offensive but sadly she is bully.
Another Marxist bullshit whose aim is to attack Brahmins
Pronunciation
Just like dalit studies and Muslim studies.
North Indians who are great champions of the so-called "National language" (Hindi) routinely mispronounce South Indian and Bengali names. Even when pointed out they persist. This Kumar character reminds me of them. Their arrogance has been taken head-on by Spivak.
I couldn't agree more. Moreover, the gentleman is a liar. He introduced himself as a founding professor of "Brahman Studies". His sole intent was to create a nuisance in a civic discussion. The poor guy has no understanding how to behave appropriately and nicely with a guest lecturer. Spivak is internationally renowned academic. The guy can hardly dent the credibility of such a tall figure, instead his and his institute's prestige have been damaged to the outside world. That is the problem with the many (of course not all) youngsters in India. They do not understand that to achieve such a high stature in academic front one needs to be humbled enough and find appropriate means of asking question. She is a 83 years old lady. If she is short tempered at her age -- so it be. One cannot misbehave with grandpa and grandma, even when they may sometimes throw tantrums.
It's not a one way street. Ignorant southies butcher plenty of north Indian names as well. You guys say Del-lee instead of Dilli, Lak-now instead of Lakhnau.
Please learn how to pronounce north Indian names correctly instead of preaching us. Makes you look like a hypocrite.
She didn't want to answer.Please don't spoil the name of Bengalis further.
@@abhaychatterjee7992 Dear Abhay Chatterjee, I am as concerned with Bengalis, as you are. What she did, any self respecting academician would have done the same. She should not show herself as a meek. If you being a Bengali do not know to uphold your self respect and high esteem, then it is your fault.
Some comments call Spivak an example of Western hegemony (in English), or talk about different European languages. But du Bois' name is Haitian, and its pronunciation reflects the ongoing legacy of Haitian anti-colonial struggle that has affected the entire world, and was part of the content of the presentation. In other contexts, Spivak corrects and cuts off inappropriate questions from Western audience members without hesitation.
It may be true that Spivak could have been more diplomatic in handling the situation....but Ashok Kumar made no effort to correct himself. He mispronounced the Du Bois name each time he spoke, as though he has a right to pronounce another person's name in whatever way he pleases ! This is a display of arrogance, Hindutva style....
Agreed
But he's a dalit and she's a brahmin ...
Hindutva?? U assh*le
Hindutva?? U assh*le
😅@@thewhatorwhy
This is not new in Western countries. Now we have this ailmemt in India.
Unnecessary wokeism 😢
Comedy of errors!! HW News presenter named the person as 'Ashok Kumar'. He is seen to be as Anshul Kumar
Also, her pronunciation of subaltern killed me lmao
😂😅😂😅😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 Hilarious 😅
What kind of world is she living. Ask her how people at Columbia university pronounce her middle name “Chakravorty”. Very likely they will call her Ms Chak. I am not sure even that spelling of ‘Chakravorty’ is correct Is it really vorty or varty. The meaning is King Emperor. More over she says if he had said that he was a Dalit she would have spoken differently. Isn’t that plain discrimination? What is the point of having all the degrees. As you get older you should become wiser. But how can one be wiser if they don’t have wisdom
I live in the same world as you (if you think your world is full of civility and senses, at least my world is). Whether someone calls her Chak (which is certainly rude if she specifies that she should not be called in such a way) makes no difference regarding incidence. Firstly, the gentleman introduced himself as a founding professor of "Brahman Studies". Later, he claimed he was a student, which suggests lying publicly. He entered the August gathering with the intent of disrupting it. If his lying is not considered an offence, it must be construed as a misdemeanour. Secondly, it is immaterial whether the gentleman is Dalit or from an upper caste; he must learn courtesy. The lecture was on subalterns, to which Prof W. E. B. du Bois was referred. It is important to note that Prof du Bois, an African American, specified categorically to pronounce his name (way back in 1939), as Prof Gayatri C. Spivak demonstrated. When Prof Spivak asked him to pronounce Du Bois's name appropriately, he repeated it incorrectly. The trouble with the majority Indians is that they do not understand what courtesy means. The gentleman could have said, "Sorry for mispronouncing his name". Instead, he charged her with the word "triviality". Spivak was invited as a guest speaker to deliver a lecture. Courtesy demanded to be treated appropriately. Note that Dalit does not necessarily qualify to be a subaltern. For example, the son of the late Rambilas Paswan is not a subaltern, nor does Mrs Mayavati. Women in a patriarchal society (even within upper caste) belong to the group of subaltern. I hope you understand.
Sorry I can’t accept your opinion. I have lived in England and USA for many years and has travelled to different parts of the world. I am speaking from my personal experiences of witnessing the people in those countries struggling and then giving up names of people from foreign countries. Whether he was a lier or not she was supposed to be an educated person and had more experience in this world. Those are the people who becomes wiser if they have wisdom. Du Bois may be important for her. Du Bois or Tu Bois or Two Bees need not be important for everyone. She could try to correct him but doesn’t have to him rudely even if he is rude. That is where wisdom is used to deal with different types of people. If you don’t have it don’t go for these type of gatherings.
@@ksjames1859 Accepting my opinion or not belies on you. You have missed my point dear. If I ask you to pronounce my name appropriately it is your duty to do so (at least try to do so). It doesn't matter whether you have lived in England and US many years. It was an academic discussion where W. E. B. du Bois was referred. Therefore, it was not casual mode of discussion -- please note that. How could you not acknowledge a misdemeanor of a person and you are giving him a clean chit. Don't you think it is ridiculous. Note that the person with whom you are conversing is no way less experienced dealing people from various parts of the world including the Western world. Indians are by far the rudest people on earth. They do not know to say sorry (for mistakes or even blunder). They never bother to use the word "Thank you" when they some favor. I, being an Indian, know it very well.
@@ksjames1859 My dear ksjames -- You just cannot say the name of du Bois is important to Spivak only. This is because it was an academic exercise discussing on du Bois, where du Bois was an important personality on the topic of subaltern. He was a civil right activist in US in the early 20th century. Please keep it in mid that it was an academic forum.
Mr spaceagegeocom
I fully understand that this was an academic forum. When I was in UK and USA I have been to many academic forums where speakers from different countries English speaking and non English speaking countries including India. I could not understand some of these speakers. It was the same with some of my colleagues from that country. I can assure you that even some Americans will have trouble understanding what she because of the pronunciation. If you are an academician try to listen to some academicians from different countries. You also will have problems in understanding some words or even names they say. Therefore you point that this is an academic forum has no value. Therefore one who is supposed to be highly educated claims to be working in a so called Ivy League university should have been wiser hate to say again if that person had wisdom
Enjoyed your opinion. Love to hear again
When my mom used a technique called shining stars(for those who kept quiet and listened to the teacher)and hiding stars(for those who interrupted and talked during class),the whole parent community of 5th A (her class) complained to the principal,who in turn complained to the Assistant Commissioner of Kvs ,who without understanding the teacher's side took action against her and gave her an increment cut for a year.Silencing teachers by parents is also taking place in the society
Silencing kids with love is an art. The teachers of India are intimidating. Not blaming your mom. But here in Europe teachers are friendly and with more closeness they get respect from students.
While we in India are afraid of teachers.
I'm sorry to say this, but your diction and pronunciation need improvement. I am 36th seconds into your video, and I still haven't understood the point you're trying to make. Please focus on these aspects, as clear communication is essential. If your speech is unclear, it might be better not to appear on camera. It's disappointing to struggle to comprehend your message.
Can a Subaltern speak?
Spivak :- Only when I like what you are saying.
These days.....people often care more about fixing grammar mistakes than understanding the main point of what's being said It's like they prioritize perfect English over the actual message which is kind of sad....👏 😂 Seems like she's more interested in correcting someone pronunciations than answer the matter LoL 😆
In a way by doing this they gloat over their inflated ego.
When you want to speak about du bois you should atleast care to know that he wanted his name to be pronounced in a particular way.
It doesn’t matter, they just want to create some drama and complain about colonisers for no good reason.
Mansick Gulami
Meanwhile I was thinking how all these northies mispronounce a South Indian name. Look how Arnab pronounce karunanidhi and kanimozhi. I remember once how a national award committee member mispronounced and infact doesn't cared about it when a national award for best actor award announced to a south actor. There is a saying in tamil "தனக்கு வந்தா இரத்தம் அடுத்தவனுக்கு வந்தா tomota sauce"
Anybody saw the guy picking his nose in the video ⁉️ 😂
@5:23 it’s pronounced /ˈpɪvətl/ not pivital. - P.S -Just schooling you kindly don’t take it otherwise and for god sake don’t make a video on pronunciation and be schooled by pronunciation in the comment (you may make a video ).
It is not Re- nouned - it is renowned
Not just that, the girl in the video butchered simple English words throughout the video
it is shown solidarity for asker of question.
it was so agnorrent and not magnimus to handull something so treeveal more grassfully. in a dibet with pievotle figure in the filled you need to clayreefy the quayree.
Pronouncing a name is very important.
Doh land trump would agree
@@shelldie8523 He agreed dohland trumps mistress. What's your problem😂
She is a teacher, it is her job to coreect you. Good teachers are often harsh when they need to be. Spivak is known to be stern but rarely too harsh. This guy claims to be a Phd student but doesn't know basic stuff. There is a reason our institutes aren't in the top universities across the world bcz we do not strive for greateness, we just want to get by and ACT smart rather than be it. No thank you.
She could have corrected it after the student completed his question. No matter what position you hold, no one should be rude. This just shows elitism
If you're an academician then you should learn to pronounce in the right way. Mispronouncing can be let go on a common platform by common people.
Also, try spelling correctly first. What the hell is 'Miss-pronouncing'?
@@sarangasaikia343 Thanks for correcting. You see I corrected the mistake that happened due to oversight. One can be respectable and accept one's mistake and not deliberately try to provoke the other. Once again thanks 🙏
So why the hell is she not correcting westerners, the people whom she loves the most, butchering Indian names all the time ? This is just her snobbish double standards and nothing more.
It's quite frustrating when someone corrects our English, especially our grammar and pronunciation. We will fight tooth and nail, arguing that whatever we have learned is correct and anyone who corrects us is a demon, a villain.
Once, an elderly gentleman corrected my mispronunciation of the word 'isle' (group of islands). I had just entered college then and was furious. There are many words we mispronounce because of our ignorance. It is unfortunate that students at JNU have not learned to be good and attentive students who wish to learn. Instead, they remain adamant and stick to their own arguments.
No wonder Indian academic universities don't find a place in the top 100 best universities in the world. Although JNU is supposed to be the best Central University and Jadavpur University in Kolkata is the best State University in India, none of them feature in the top 100. No wonder we have the likes of Lalu Prasad as an alumnus of JNU.
I don't like the way the students reacted against this 83-year-old venerable scholar by calling her a bastard, a bitch, a smoker, and a Brahmin elitist. I have heard from a great scholar at Harvard and a RKM monk (on RUclips only) who said that she was appearing for an exam for her regular Chinese language classes at Harvard at the ripe age of 80 years.
Let's see how many of these ignorant students and professors at JNU repeat that feat when they are octogenarians themselves-if they actually live to that age, as someone pointed out she smoked like a chimney in her youthful days.
We seem to be making mountain of molehill. We do not have to bring "marginalised" everywhere.
Spivak is a spent force of hate
We need to rise up to standards not bring pull them down. We need to be empathetic towards sensitive issues as names. Both were haughty and then cowardly hiding behind caste and gender.But the other strand is the discussion would have been different if the setting, ethnicity and colour of Spivak, Kumar and Du Bois had been different. A rose is not a rose by any other name.
When people in academia can't say the name correctly shows the quality of education students are getting
Quality of education is about the content, not about accents, peonounciations, grammar, and language. If the degree sought is in pronounciations & accents, perhaps then. But even Oxford English Dictionary seems to admit several new words that sound gibberish until they find a place in the dictionary. Let’s not miss the plot in the pursuit of pseudo-entitlement!
What a dumb statement, what rhe hell accent have to do with education.
हे ज्ञानी पुरुष!
हर जगह के भाषा का उच्चारण अलग होता है। कई बार किसी एक कंट्री में जो शब्द मिलता है दूसरे कंट्री में वह शब्द नहीं मिलता है। जैसे अंग्रेज कभी भी भारत नहीं बोलते क्योंकि उनके डिक्शनरी में भ है ही नहीं वह हमेशा बारत बोलते हैं। रूस R को रगड़ के बोलते हैं. इसलिए कोई भी आदमी जो ऊस कंट्री का नेटिव नहीं है अगर वहां की भाषा या नाम बोलता है तो डिफेक्ट आएगा यह स्वाभाविक है इसका उसके ज्ञान से कोई लेना देना नहीं है।
Is pronunciation is important than content?
Can someone tell me about the Ishwar Chandra Vidyasagar reference?
हैरानी की बात है कि कुछ लोग इसे दलित मुद्दे से जोड़कर देख रहे हैं। कोई अपनी फ्रेंच झाड़ने के लिए ही डू बोइस का उच्चारण डू ब्वा करेगा। वर्ना ज्यादातर भारतीय इसे डू बोइस ही कहेंगे। यदि किसी का गलत उच्चारण किसी की राष्ट्रीयता को ही बदल दे तो उसे ठीक करना जरूरी है।
Absolutely right, thanks for saying this
One shouldn't be too critical about corrections as it is all about learning at a centre of learning. The entire audience too benefitted from that learnng experience.
He's a PhD. If he can't learn till this point he leave his current job.
This is why not a single Indian institute ranks among the worlds top hundred. We don't aim for perfection we aspire for mediocrity.
@@shelldie8523Wasting time in mugging up names pronunciation is in itself an example of mediocrity. Such people never actually understand any concepts and produce loads of biased research in academia...and that ultimately causes bad rank.
Anchors'' pronunciation would have drawn much rebuke from Spivak. Very poor show from the renowned Professor Spivak. What is she trying to communicate.
When we were young, if we encountered such academics, we would show respect, put our heads down and forget the incident
Now these entitied brats hink they can bully people by posting videos online. These brats will never match up to 1/10 this lady's achievements.
Pity that you did that when you were young. I am a teacher, and had I been your teacher then, I would've advised you to hold your head up, and stand up for what you believe in. Always ask questions, always be polite, but don't let anyone intimidate you and get away with it.
I am an English teacher, by the way.
@@Someone-ft4yw Some may be born with perfect beliefs that never changed in their life but for the rest of us, beliefs are something that evolve. i held my head high which i competed or took up a challenge. many of my teachers are far from perfect and because of them i learnt to navigate real life and standing up for what really matters. Insults dont affect me nor my ego gets bruised when someone doesnt respect me. In hindsight, i guess such teachers helped me learn to focus more on the outcome and less on people.
What are her achievements apart from blabbering nonsense and calling it deep? What good has she done for the world? How many policy decisions have been made because of her work that have positively affected the lives of people at the grassroot level?
Exactly.
@@swarnadipmitra1095 go check out her works
The arrogance of this woke professor
Show me a humble and courteous Woke professor.
Correcting something be it pronounciation or any otherelse by a teacher should not be matter of discussion and should not be considered as humiliation. That is natural and her duty too.
We all had such humiliating incidents in the lecture hall before hundreds of batchmates. We took it as a part of student lives and never had grudges to the teachers.
What she says is right. She wants her students to live upto the reputation of the university. Mispelling words , or mispronouncing simple words after attaining such level of education in such university don't look nice at all. She wants to improve thier level.
Yes, she could have done it better.
He was mispronuncing the name of a historian who had to struggle to correct the pronunciation of his name while he was alive.
What does "Columbian professor" mean?
...Now, please don't come down heavily on me asking this question...🙏
Gayatri Spivak behaved like a Konkanastha Brahmin. That's not a compliment.
What was his question?
Brahmin studies? Whats the course material?
A dalit student is entitled to pronounce english with begusarai accent, that is perfectly fine. Remember, everything should be around the concept of "marginalised"
Center of brahmin studies is a misnomer it's center for fascisim
Anshul kumar the student here is a dalit himself.
WOW!!! Just wowwww!!! So, Islamic studies is jihadi studies? Christian studies is white man's burden studies. lefties studies is hypocrisy studies?
So is center for muslim studies or center of gender studies or any other academic attempt at legitimizing propaganda
Islamic History is very secular..😅😅😅
He is dalit and he just wanted to accuse brahman but he couldn't
If someone mispronounced a common noun I would correct. But proper nouns can have several pronunciations and all should be accepted. Liberty must especially be given to non natives
The irony of the matter is that the presenter's, Ms. Yadav's, English pronunciation isn't that good either. She just mis-pronunced 'renowned' and 'Columbia'.
So now a teacher cannot correct a student's pronunciation?? A student has the right to call a professor bastard and bitch because she has the 'audacity' to correct his pronunciation?? Good, I hope that boy becomes a professor one day and faces such students himself. Though it looks a far off possibility now as he is still an MA student at the age of 28. On the other hand, the professor going too much with his pronunciation, going to the level of actually silencing him over his pronunciation issue because she 'thought he was a Brahmin'!! Wow!! so Brahmin hatred and oppressing Brahmins is openly approved in JNU? I thought these professors give big talks about casteism and all. Hypocrisy has no limit. God save the oppressed Brahmin students studying under such professors there. Over all so many red flags...JNU has become a hub of all kinds of evils it seems
Hamare baap ek rupaye Paisa nahin de to 8000 dega re baba 😂😂😂
Brahmin studies???? Waste of money and time.... Why even courses like these exist????
Fermay ta boooosh Spivak , tooo sweee
If you come across a name, out of the blue for the very first time, you can make mistakes in the pronunciation. But if you're writing an essay about the person, giving a talk about the person etc, then it's important for you to learn how to pronounce that person's name correctly. I guess she could still have reacted better with kindness.
The irony is when the Other tries to speak, they are devoiced, maintaining the subaltern as subaltern.
Picking the word "subaltern" to pick on Spivak shows your shallowness of her intent on subaltern studies.
Observation the narrator needs to correct her English pronunciations
If you choose to speak in any language, ensure that you speak it as required. Ws Vs and so many more jarring mispronounced words 😮😮
Student questioned her was Anshul Kumar not Ashok Kumar.
Anshul kumar not ashok kumar
Du Bois was not a civil rights activist as this anchor says
JNU is full of such hoity-toity professors with a very condescending attitude towards the students whose first language is Hindi and who have perhaps not studied in the top English medium schools.
Pronouncing a hatian name in a french way is nothing short of identity theft. Sabotage of his politics. Specially when the coloniser is french and colonised is haitian .
Its cultural appropriation.
A phd scholar who claims himself to be a founding professor of brahmin studies , meaning he is supposed to be a critique of historical oppressive power structures . He should be sensitive to such " Trivialities "
Because such " trivialities " means identity to someone .
The incident proves how some people have no respect for senior scholars especially who have such important contributions to the field. Neither for Du bois nor for Spivak .
You do realize that the name itself is as French as it gets. I'm a native french speaker and would have pronounced it the proper French way , like the student did.
@@Misierbobo then i must tell you that you are being politically incorrect and to some extent insensitive.
First of all it was not a student it was founding professor of brahmin studies.
Du bois is haitian person , he mentioned at numerous places as to why to pronounce his name in the french way is sabotaging his politics. You see he was a Haitian which was a french colony . So the French were the oppressors and the Haitians were the oppressed. Guess what she mentioned this at the beginning of the talk. Like for example I don't want my name to be anglicised.
I clearly said this in the previous comment and i am repeating it again.
@@surjamitbhattacharjee1645 A quick Google search showed that he is actually an American but with rather diverse /mixed ancestry.
Apparently he himself used the anglicized pronunciation of his name and corrected those who didn't, in which case, the professor is right (albeit rude) in that his name should be respected. More so considering Dubois' politics as you pointed out. Unfortunately, the Professor failed to pass this message and came across as unnecessarily haughty and pedantic.
Regarding your last point about how you wouldn't want your name to be anglicized. The difference is that you kept your Indian name, while the Haitians didn't retain their original African names and were given French names.
In your example, it would Be like having a Haitian called Jean (pronounced the french way) but who decides to go by John in order to fight decolonisation.
Ultimately though, for those who you do not know about said historian, it is fair to assume that a french name would be pronounced in the french way, same for English, Hindi or any other languages.
@@Misierbobo an in depth research will show that his father was haitian( north america) and mother was black .
@@Misierbobo also there's a particular way he wanted to be called . It was not the first time he was called that, you see.
Ask a westerners particularly from Columbia University to pronounce all the eastern students at the college. I will bet most cannot pronounce their names effectively.
In actual French or is not even Du Bois it would be pronounced as "du Boua" as the s is silent and "oi" is pronounced "oua".
Prof Gayatri is a noted a academician . Students gathered in large numbers to hear her speak her mind and explorations ..it is sad that an attitude of delusional superior colonial hangover is shadowing her otherwise impressive academic exploits
Why does the presenter pronounce 'Spiwak' instead of 'Spivak'? A cow-belt English pronunciation problem!!!
These things keep happening in a classroom why are such things becoming news
No body in India gives a fuck untill these news media gives these kind of dalals national footage
It's like correcting a gora by saying it's robindrro nath taagor not rebindhra nathh thagor
Quality of education is about the content, not about accents, pronunciations, grammar, and language. If the degree sought is in pronounciations & accents, perhaps then it makes sense to be so pedantic. But even Oxford English Dictionary seems to admit several new words that sound gibberish until they find a place in the dictionary. Let’s not miss the plot in the pursuit of pseudo-entitlement!
Same person who wrote death of discipline. Now try to follow ordernes.
If our country is done with the triviality of bramhin , dalit .....no it will prolifer.
Ask the dalit who are still obsessed with brahmins 😂😂
She just forgot विद्यां ददाति विनयं.......
She never had it to begin with
but his manner of talking was so mean.
what about donald trump mispronouncing name of SWAMI VIVEKANAD ?
Dr Gayatri is an academic superstar. She is also more than 80 years old and a very strict prof. That boy should have known and be more careful.
What is the harm in learning to pronounce a name correctly? Exoticisation of the self can't make an intellectual !
She is one hundred percent correct.if one in academia cannot pronounce correctly imagine what quality of education or guidance he/she is going to provide others.
Do atleast the teachers of English in India especially those teach English Phonology, test students on it, grade and certify students pronounce any word whose pronunciation they teach as however they teach Pronunciations - GB and US?
Let anybody justify their profession as they measure and certify knowledge! They then scream mutual intelligibility!!
I have the same view of your channel... ur pronunciations are wild ...😂😂😂
😂yes
Brown Memsahib.
Nanes are according to local language which when converted into english anyway loose their essence. So this is a futile exercise. Moreover Shakespeare said, "what's in the name".
Spivak reminds me of two things -- in Hindi, it is "sathiyaa jaanaa." In English, it is "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing"
It is a ploy to divert what was coming at her to test her elite mindset statments authenticity..... Then comes English pronounciation class... Even Du Bois wudnt have bothered much about how is name is being called...
CHAMAR studies
A Dalit boy being a founder of BRAHMIN STUDIES and the guest lecturer here working for subalterns...yet both of them are not true for the cause they are doing ... It's like they are doing things which they hate the most...# applies to both of them...tit for tat ...
The anchor can’t pronounce certain words Dubois was Haitian!
As long as we are talking about pronunciations, can we all take a note on how the girl in the video has butchered the simplest english words? If irony had a face, this would be it.