The most monumental Symphony-Piano transcription in 19th century

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  • Beethoven Symphonies (French: Symphonies de Beethoven), S.464, are a set of nine transcriptions for solo piano by Franz Liszt of Ludwig van Beethoven's symphonies 1-9.
    By 1837, Liszt appears to have completed the transcriptions of the fifth, sixth and seventh symphonies, of which the fifth and sixth were published by Breitkopf & Härtel and the seventh by Tobias Haslinger. In 1843, he arranged the third movement of the Third Symphony, which was later published by Pietro Mechetti [de] in 1850. Liszt was paid 8 francs per page by Breitkopf & Härtel, who first requested two symphonies to be transcribed. During his 1840 travels in Europe he might have given the transcribed symphonies some publicity by playing them at his concerts.[ambiguous] With three symphonies transcribed, Liszt set aside the work for another 23 years. It was not until 1863 that Breitkopf & Härtel suggested to Liszt that he transcribe the complete set for a future publication. For this work, Liszt recycled his previous transcriptions by simplifying passages, stating that "the more intimately acquainted one becomes with Beethoven, the more one clings to certain singularities and finds that even insignificant details are not without their value". He would note down the names of the orchestral instruments for the pianist to imitate, and also add pedal marks and fingerings for amateurs and sight readers.[citation needed]
    When Liszt began work transcribing the ninth symphony, he expressed that "after a great deal of experimentation in various directions, I was unable to deny the utter impossibility of even a partially satisfactory and effective arrangement of the 4th movement. I hope you will not take it amiss if I dispense with this and regard my arrangements of the Beethoven symphonies as complete at the end of the 3rd movement of the Ninth." (He had in fact completed a transcription of the Ninth Symphony for two pianos in 1850.) Nevertheless, he made another attempt after an expressive letter from Breitkopf & Härtel, and expressed "the range achieved by the pianoforte in recent years as a result of progress both in playing technique and in terms of mechanical improvements enables more and better things to be achieved than was previously possible. Through the immense development of its harmonic power the piano is trying increasingly to adopt all orchestral compositions. In the compass of its seven octaves it is able, with only a few exceptions, to reproduce all the characteristics, all the combination, all the forms of the deepest and most profound works of music. It was with this intention that I embark on the work which I now present to the world."
    The full set of transcriptions were finally published in 1865 and dedicated to Hans von Bülow. The original publication of the fifth and sixth symphonies had been dedicated to the painter and amateur violinist Jean-Auguste-Dominique Ingres.
    Vladimir Horowitz, in a 1988 interview, stated "I deeply regret never having played Liszt's arrangements of the Beethoven symphonies in public - these are the greatest works for the piano - tremendous works - every note of the symphonies is in the Liszt works."
    Liszt's Beethoven Symphony transcriptions are little known outside serious musical circles, and were in relative obscurity for over 100 years after their publication. It remains a mystery why none of Liszt's pupils performed or recorded these works. The first recording of any of them was not until 1967, when Glenn Gould recorded the Fifth and Sixth Symphonies. İdil Biret became the first pianist to record the complete cycle, between July 1985 and April 1986. Subsequently, Cyprien Katsaris, Leslie Howard, Konstantin Scherbakov, Yury Martynov and Hinrich Alpers [de] have also recorded all nine.
    《Wikipedia》
    Excerpt from "Beethoven Symphonies, No.9, S464" transcribed by Franz Liszt.
    This is the very first piece I encountered with Cyprien Katsaris. He's a real monster. Have fun!
    P.f. Cyprien Katsaris

Комментарии • 124

  • @melonica90
    @melonica90  Месяц назад +16

    ruclips.net/video/O3MVY6UiMag/видео.htmlsi=ISKBRR4xnIksTDoH This vid is the part 49:58 in Beethoven's original composition.

  • @MiScusi69
    @MiScusi69 Месяц назад +124

    Liszt was not just a virtuoso. He was actually a genius, imo

    • @thedrinkerful
      @thedrinkerful Месяц назад +23

      the more pieces you listen by him the more you will see he wasnt just a virtuoso but also paved the way for the 20th century composers, musical and techincal wise

    • @ToxicTurtleIsMad
      @ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 дней назад +7

      No shit

    • @andream.464
      @andream.464 28 дней назад +5

      Oh and Einstein was not only a good professor, he was a genius as well🤷🏻‍♂️

    • @franz9002
      @franz9002 28 дней назад +2

      always has been

    • @hadrieneverard8121
      @hadrieneverard8121 27 дней назад +6

      Not just your opinion it's facts

  • @jsamuelcraw1495
    @jsamuelcraw1495 17 дней назад +14

    The Liszt piano transcription of Beethoven 9 I feel like cannot even be in goof faith classified as a piano "reduction" given all the notes and colors are still there. Simply amazing

    • @ultimateconstruction
      @ultimateconstruction 11 дней назад +1

      No they aren't lmfao, all the colors are lost. So it is a reduction. Nobody would ever want to hear this when you can listen to the original Masterpiece that's not destroyed by lizst's abhorrent reduction.

    • @jsamuelcraw1495
      @jsamuelcraw1495 10 дней назад +1

      Millions of people have chosen to listen to the Liszt transcription why are you so butthurt?

    • @elmerglue21
      @elmerglue21 8 дней назад

      @@ultimateconstruction I think it's maybe just a good exercise for liszt to try to create, I mean for anybody to play this piece at all is insane. Piano covers of songs I think are just kind of important to have especially if you play a lot of piano

    • @ultimateconstruction
      @ultimateconstruction 8 дней назад

      @@jsamuelcraw1495 "Millions of people" LMFAOOO, source please. Billions of people have chosen to listen to Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

    • @jsamuelcraw1495
      @jsamuelcraw1495 6 дней назад

      @@ultimateconstruction Yes. Millions of people. Your source is a simple youtube search of performances of Liszts transcription where you will find millions of views. Is that too difficult for you to comprehend?

  • @LisztAddict
    @LisztAddict Месяц назад +99

    Cyprien recording based

    • @Yubin_Lee_Doramelin
      @Yubin_Lee_Doramelin Месяц назад +18

      He's definitely a reincarnaton of Liszt - I'm not exaggerating.

    • @melonica90
      @melonica90  Месяц назад +9

      Best comment

    • @melonica90
      @melonica90  Месяц назад +8

      ​​​@@Yubin_Lee_Doramelin표현 동의합니다. 이안페이스, 아믈랭, 모리시타, 아르헤리치, 키신 등과 함께 현존하는 피아니스트중 경이로움을 느끼는 몇 안되는 피아니스트입니다.

    • @Numberonesorabjifan
      @Numberonesorabjifan Месяц назад +3

      It's not like there are other options

    • @Whaijorhujishkomunyk
      @Whaijorhujishkomunyk Месяц назад +1

      Katsaris the best

  • @jgesselberty
    @jgesselberty Месяц назад +53

    Only Liszt could make a piano sound like a full orchestra.

    • @makytondr8607
      @makytondr8607 28 дней назад +10

      Katsaris also adds extra notes that Liszt had not written. (Still agree that Liszt did a phenomenal job, just wanted to point out that the performer deserves credit too)

    • @sebastian-benedictflore
      @sebastian-benedictflore 24 дня назад +2

      He wasn't the only one but his transcriptions are truly of the highest order and a great gift/resource to pianists.

    • @prestonle8993
      @prestonle8993 24 дня назад +1

      And Katsaris

    • @user-nr5kq1yi9z
      @user-nr5kq1yi9z 23 дня назад

      Tchaikovsky?

    • @Piflaser
      @Piflaser 23 дня назад

      @@prestonle8993 The difference is, that Liszt invented this transcendental kind of piano playing, Katsaris is "only" an interpreter, even if he is a genius as piano player.

  • @chessematics
    @chessematics Месяц назад +19

    Greatest piece of music of all time. Has to be the best transcription

    • @pietromontevecchio
      @pietromontevecchio Месяц назад +1

      Fully agree, man.

    • @fredfenel1417
      @fredfenel1417 29 дней назад +1

      Noo. Loook what Rachmaninoff did with Bach… this is so uninteresting.

    • @ToxicTurtleIsMad
      @ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 дней назад

      ​@@fredfenel1417 I wish I was as braindead as you, life would be so much easier

  • @marksmith3947
    @marksmith3947 Месяц назад +20

    This is insane! And Katsaris is unbelievable. The transcription of the sixth is also wonderful. Iirc Gould recorded that one.

  • @dunkleosteus430
    @dunkleosteus430 Месяц назад +27

    Makes you wonder why it isn't performed more 🙁

  • @avecesar4244
    @avecesar4244 Месяц назад +15

    Liszt was not the genius in this case, but Beethoven! He only transcribed the Work of Art of Super-deaf- man

    • @ToxicTurtleIsMad
      @ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 дней назад +8

      Tell me you know nothing about music without telling me..

    • @thepotatoportal69
      @thepotatoportal69 28 дней назад

      Yeah, Liszt is such a dumb-dumb, all he did was make 1 solo instrument sound like an orchestra.

    • @Sahasrarasmi-Sancodite
      @Sahasrarasmi-Sancodite 26 дней назад +1

      True divine music exists in spheres far above the physical world we exist in.
      The great gifted musical geniuses intuit that divine music and attempt to recreate it on this physical sphere to the best of their musical skills and talents.
      humanity is blessed by having these prophetic musician artists take the lead and guide an evolving humanity into experiencing musical grandeur that had not been articulated musically or instrumentally before their appearance on the musical horizon.❤❤❤

    • @ultimateconstruction
      @ultimateconstruction 18 дней назад +3

      Ave Cèsar, the only adequate person in this comment section.

    • @ultimateconstruction
      @ultimateconstruction 18 дней назад +2

      ​@@ToxicTurtleIsMadHe's literally objectively right, what.

  • @XanderMoss
    @XanderMoss 8 дней назад

    The problem with this piece is that some people like me they will only think of Clockwork Orange for most of the time :D

  • @wheelmanmitch
    @wheelmanmitch Месяц назад +11

    What a badass!

  • @user-vg4ed5sj2e
    @user-vg4ed5sj2e Месяц назад +17

    probably the best fugatto section ever

  • @jamessalepe
    @jamessalepe Месяц назад +17

    Liszt was another genius.

    • @ultimateconstruction
      @ultimateconstruction 18 дней назад +3

      No he wasn't. The only genius here is God of Music Beethoven.

    • @jamessalepe
      @jamessalepe 15 дней назад

      @@ultimateconstruction Genius is different than God. 🤦

  • @poncione
    @poncione 27 дней назад +2

    Ci vuole più coraggio per un pianista che per un direttore d'orchestra a suonare le sinfonie di Beethoven!
    Liszt qui riesce nel miracolo di non far sentire la mancanza dell'orchestra e del coro, ed è straordinario.
    Ho percepito la stessa sensazione ascoltando la sua trascrizione dell'ouverture di Tannhauser ❤

  • @katrmior
    @katrmior Месяц назад +7

    do you know pierre-alain volondat's recording? I find it to be slightly superior to this one

    • @melonica90
      @melonica90  Месяц назад +3

      Didn't know about it. Thanks

    • @chrisoconnor9521
      @chrisoconnor9521 Месяц назад +6

      Meh...I think Katsaris is better. Katsaris has far superior control over those insane LH octave passages, Volondant lacks clarity.

    • @gunger1987
      @gunger1987 15 дней назад +1

      hi katmor

    • @katrmior
      @katrmior 15 дней назад

      @@gunger1987 hello sishfouper

    • @gunger1987
      @gunger1987 15 дней назад

      @@katrmior :exploding_head:

  • @AfroPoli
    @AfroPoli 24 дня назад +3

    Good old Ludwig van.

  • @AwKeShen.
    @AwKeShen. Месяц назад +1

    Fun and Cool transcription!

  • @utvpoop
    @utvpoop Месяц назад +3

    Impressive. Very nice. Let's see Charles Valentin Alkan's transcription (if it existed).

    • @melonica90
      @melonica90  Месяц назад

      Unfortunately, Alkan didn't transcribed Beethoven Symphony 9

    • @melonica90
      @melonica90  Месяц назад

      Instead, There's decent Beethoven Piano Concerto No.3 arrangement!
      ruclips.net/video/5JM_J-Iank8/видео.htmlsi=m2zgqFYS6fXjIgs8

  • @pseudo_klavier
    @pseudo_klavier Месяц назад +6

    미친난이도

  • @chrisoconnor9521
    @chrisoconnor9521 Месяц назад +4

    Can we just take a moment to appreciate how absolutely freaking glorious those LH octaves are from 3:02 are?!

    • @Cookster997
      @Cookster997 28 дней назад

      You're not kidding, that is stunning.

  • @pietromontevecchio
    @pietromontevecchio Месяц назад +6

    A clockwork orange

    • @giorgiociomei5030
      @giorgiociomei5030 28 дней назад

      The sweet sweet Ludwig van! 🤣🤣🤣🤣

    • @jasonenosart
      @jasonenosart 23 дня назад

      Angel trumpet and devil trombone

  • @Pamela-dv7gb
    @Pamela-dv7gb 7 дней назад

    Liszt was kinde the sheet music boss of his time 😂 but he was a level higher and alone,nobody will ever be on the same level ❤❤❤

  • @giorgiociomei5030
    @giorgiociomei5030 28 дней назад

    Wow ❤❤❤❤❤

  • @anthonyaustin1375
    @anthonyaustin1375 28 дней назад

    Wow you got to have flexibility to play those never ending octaves/Fifhs at that speed also fortissimo ...would love to hear the full 9 symphonies just sublime

  • @1389Chopin
    @1389Chopin 19 дней назад +1

    His transcriptions are the amazing - given he was also a great conductor and likely conducted many/all of these symphonies - plus his virtuoso keyboard playing places him uniquely to translate these accurately. He is as close to the material and sonic clothing as possible

  • @leesean1794
    @leesean1794 Месяц назад +8

    It’s extremely hard to play, probably the hardest piece to perform on Earth

    • @commentingchannel9776
      @commentingchannel9776 Месяц назад +7

      Believe me when I say that is very much not the case. The 20th and 21st centuries are full of completely unhinged writing that is just necessary to realize certain types of music. Look up Sorabji's Opus Clavicembalisticum, Boulez's second Piano Sonata, Xenakis' Mists, Ligeti's Etudes, Finnissy's Piano Concerto no.4...

    • @Fatal_Error001
      @Fatal_Error001 Месяц назад +4

      ​@@commentingchannel9776but then, the 20th century period is pretty... messed up in terms of difficulty with... maniacs of virtuosity like Sorabji
      but perhaps we can consider it the hardest of... the romantic era.

    • @ToxicTurtleIsMad
      @ToxicTurtleIsMad 29 дней назад +4

      ​@@commentingchannel9776 it might be because those who you listed have no fucking idea how to write for piano

    • @UlfilasNZ
      @UlfilasNZ 17 дней назад

      Ligeti certainly did!!!​@@ToxicTurtleIsMad

  • @harryk4840
    @harryk4840 23 дня назад +1

  • @seheyt
    @seheyt 26 дней назад +1

    I suppose it could gave been nice to have the actual transcription being played - or at least something that somewhat resembles it - on screen

  • @ronl7131
    @ronl7131 24 дня назад

    Amazing. And young VH practiced with many opera transcription traversals, supposedly. To have recordings of these journeys….!!!

  • @LisztyLiszt
    @LisztyLiszt Месяц назад +2

    At least all those octaves make it easier than it looks...

  • @carax-d62hs
    @carax-d62hs 21 день назад +2

    The pianist is playing it at 1.5x. Or 2x. WTF. Impossible

  • @peterkovacs9951
    @peterkovacs9951 Месяц назад +3

    Sean Chen's is even better

    • @pianista-mediocre
      @pianista-mediocre Месяц назад +6

      No

    • @peterkovacs9951
      @peterkovacs9951 Месяц назад

      @@pianista-mediocre It's just Liszt's transcription but amplified where it's lacking

  • @simmo303
    @simmo303 28 дней назад

    When did he sleep? Composing, performing, teaching, transcribing.

  • @meisterwue
    @meisterwue 29 дней назад

    Liszt ❤❤❤

  • @jeandeblaize4175
    @jeandeblaize4175 Месяц назад +1

    Pauvre Listz !
    s'il avait pu savoir qu'un jour on filmerait, on enregistrerait des orchestres, qu'on écouterait, qu'on verrait tous ces orchestres entiers chez soi,
    il n'aurait pas passé tout ce temps à transcrire pour des pianos de salons bourgeois, histoire d'avoir un orchestre à la maison.
    Aujourd'hui, un clic sur la télé, la chaine HiFi, internet et en avant la musique ! 😊

    • @poncione
      @poncione 27 дней назад +1

      Non sono d'accordo... Quella di Liszt non è una trascrizione comune, per tutti o per pianisti dilettanti... È una summa nell'arte trascendentale della trascrizione e della ricreazione di un opera altrui.
      Se fosse per tutti, questa trascrizione sarebbe entrata nel repertorio dei Grandi pianisti della storia... Invece se ne sono stati tutti alla larga, lasciando così l'onore a pianisti oggi considerati di secondo livello, i quali però si sono guadagnati un posto nella storia per il loro coraggio e grande bravura...

  • @user-hf7bo7id9y
    @user-hf7bo7id9y 23 дня назад +1

    Какая пошлая картинка! Бедный Ференц Лист!

  • @Cookster997
    @Cookster997 28 дней назад

    The tenor solo parts are a little rushed... But holy COW this is a stunning transcription and performance.