The End of the Mike Tomlin Era | 5 Star Matchup
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- Опубликовано: 11 дек 2023
- Join me for a very special episode of 5 Star Matchup, where I declare that enough is enough, and it's time for a change. I'm drawing a line in the sand, dude. It's time for a new voice in Pittsburgh.
Mike Tomlin's time has passed.
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It’s been time. You see the 49’ers now? That was us in the mid 2000’s. Elite and competing for Super Bowls.
yessir
11-5
10-6
11-5
13-3
9-6x
8-8
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9-7
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The steelers season record since 2014. They missed the playoffs just 3 times, and finished lower than 2nd in the division just twice. Pretty much ANY* team would be jealous, and not exactly a team thats not competitive *(besides maybe the pats?)
Hope you fire him and get a sorry ass coach and then complain. Sit down clowns.
The 49ers just got roasted
@@TS1r731 Yeah, and they roasted us Week 1. Remember that?
Dude this was so real. Truly appreciate the direct nature, staring right at the camera and making your point. I'm about 90% there with you.... just TIRED of the same crap. For 4 or 5 years I was CONVINCED we'd win another Super Bowl and was just kicked in the nuts over and over again by horrible losses. I'm done with it! Barney Stinson once said "new is always better" Might agree with him in this case.
Appreciate you Taylor. It's not something I take lightly, I've never really done a video like this on the channel, but there was nothing else I felt was appropriate.I just can't take it anymore, very tired of saying the same stuff every week for the last 5 years.
It’s just seems like Pittsburgh itself is so scared of the term “rebuild”The penguins have been putting it off for years and now the Steelers don’t seem that far off from needing one either. Guys like Cam and TJ or only going to continue to get older and it will be a damn shame if they never get the chance to compete for a ring, let alone in the playoffs….
I’ve been irritated with Tomlin for nearly a decade. Situationally, he rarely seems to know when to risk it and when to play it safe; his politician mouth-I call him soundbite Mike-makes me roll my eyes because his words and actions seldom align; and his inability to discipline the divas has contributed to the wasted potential of too many players. He could’ve left in 2018 and saved us 5 years of the same torture.
Well said and it pretty much sums up all of my frustrations that I have difficulty putting into words sometimes.
Holy shit that 2011 Tim Tebow lost still haunts me today 😵 right next to the 2020 season an playoff game
and 2017
I get ptsd every time I hear the 60 minutes ticking sound
Guys he is an average at best head coach. We literally had a better coach on our defensive staff last year (Brian Flores), it's not that big of a deal if we fire him
But everyone will decry racism. He is literally non-white Mike McCarthy, but everyone says McCarthy is terrible, but they put Tomlin on a pedestal
bingo
Guys my favorite RUclipsr replies to my comments I'm really excited
Been saying that forever!!! No one gets it!!
@@anthonypicano1670 THEY DON'T. Everybody just buys what the national media is telling them
I love Coach T so much, but I love the Steelers more. I will be immensely sad if he departs, but whatever is best for the team needs to happen.
This entire organization has become a cult of personality around Tomlin
You can never count out the Steelers because of Tomlin and you can never count out Tomlin because he’s Tomlin
ouch
This is some of the BEST STUFF going right here, right now!
This was AMAZING!
I have been calling for this to happen since about 2017 to be honest with you. I am not saying he is not a HOF coach....just wanted his wait time to start a few years ago!!
THANK YOU to all of the 5 STAR TEAM for making this awesomeness for all of us to enjoy!!
appreciate you
Time to go, Coach Fraud. 1 super bowl in 17 years is unacceptable for a coach of his alleged caliber. His non losing season streak is the only thing he has going for him now. The amount of losses to horrific teams, the lack of accountability, and all of the late season derailments. We have the 2nd longest playoff win drought in franchise history, with the only longer one being that one we don't speak of from 1933-71. He uses word salad to cover up for the fact that he has no real plan. This team has been mediocre for 3 years, and I doubt that changes anytime soon unless we scrap Tomlin.
spittin truth
Games this season the steelers have won/lost
With Pickett playing the entire game 7-2
Without Pickett in the entire game
0-4 🤷♂️
Injuries are Picketts worst enemy right now.
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I'll double down on that in saying Mitch is sooooo horrible that Tomlin continues to send Kenny out there despite being injured because he's our best chance at winning games. Going out sad...
As Mike Tomlin likes to say: "The turd is the turd" (or something like that.), and this turd has sailed, so, sadly, it's just time to watch it circle the great toilet of life one last time before it vanishes into the dark sewer of an uncertain future. (I might be pushing the metaphor now) -- but what I really mean to say is: I agree. I stand by my long-time argument that Tomlin's last great TEAM was mostly Cowher's team. Mike T has drafted some great players since then, but the great ones either leave or go off the rails (see: AB, Martavis Bryant, etc.), which one could argue points to a COACHING issue... and, great individual talent aside, Tomlin has never build a great TEAM... which again suggests a coaching issue.
Anyway, hang in there and keep up the great work -- it was depressing when there was no episode (from you) this week. The losing episodes are therapeutic.
Appreciate that man. I really wanted to do a regular episode but I felt like it was a good opportunity to experiment a little. Plus Thursday night games in general complicate the workflow.
It’s time for change. Canada was a great start but more people have to go. We are wasting TJ’s prime years. He and a couple other defensive players deserve a ring so much and I’m confident they won’t get one unfortunately.
TJ gonna be 30 soon my man.
forget rings how about a playoff win?
@@5StarMatchup exactly! I mean he tied the single season sack record so that’s a huge accomplishment. I think he broke the record but whatever. I just was really hoping to see this team we had week 1 fully healthy and meshing together and see what they could do in the playoffs. Guess it won’t happen
Rex Ryan DC Todd Haley OC
@@faustinomontoya1549 we need someone who can help Kenny become at least an above average QB. Tomlin can’t groom a QB look at poor Rudolph
Nicely done ! You are not alone.
Thank you. Not a fun thing to write but what I felt was necessary.
@@5StarMatchup Been a fan for over half Century, Went to 3 SB's. This is the worst I've seen. The Tomczak Era was more fun to watch. Keep up the good work!!
Here we go ♠️
Couldn’t agree more, Tomlin has proven either incapable or unwilling to make proper hires for the team’s coaching staff since getting rid of LeBeau and Haley
His rah rah coaching hasn’t worked with the current generation and has WASTED the best years of Cam, Ben, Bell, Antonio and countless other
Time for a change of faces and scenarios will be healthy for everbody
Love you 5 Star. You're the best at this
love u too homie, thank you.
I think Tomlin's done in Pittsburgh. He has the rest of this season to change my mind, but I'd like to comment on his legacy. People keep saying that Tomlin won with Cowher's team. Tomlin's SB team was three years removed from Cowher's and I credit Tomlin for developing James Harrison, who was pretty bad under Cowher. I also credit Tomlin for developing talent like AB from a 6th round. Early Tomlin had a fire and a swagger that the Steelers really needed and it lead the Steelers to the best Super Bowl in NFL history. Where I think Tomlin falters is after the 2010 SB loss when Big Ben gets hit with his sexual misconduct allegations. From that point on, Tomlin is now in the business of trying to manage erratic players and it's now clear that if you're good enough, you can behave extremely poorly and still have a job. I think Tomlin could have recovered and it look like that's exactly what he did in 2014-16 with the Killer B's. But once again, Tomlin had to put up with a clown locker room and he allowed AB and Bell's egos to destroy the locker room and set the Steelers back years. Then we had to massage Big Ben's ego and not draft his replacement earlier and waste more years. We keep wasting top draft choices because they're growing up to be entitled bratty lazy divas. The players like Tomlin, but Tomlin has no authority behind what he says. I think he's been worn down and I think he compromised his values a long time ago.
Tomlin was a genuinely great coach, but his ability has slowly eroded away and he seems more interested in making excuses and subtly blaming the media for bad coverage of him than he does in doing what it takes to win.
respect. nicely written. fair.
****TL;DR AT END****
The last two weeks brings up some very uncomfortable conversations. I know what I'm about to say will never happen because the Rooneys and the Steeler organization would never consider doing something this extreme, I'm not even sure that I would do it, but this conversation at least needs to happen.
The Steelers have the highest paid defense in the NFL. They just allowed 21 points in the first half to an offense coming off a historically terrible stretch in which they scored 13 points in their last 3 games and they had only scored at least 21 points in an entire game just once all season long. The defense is extremely over reliant on TJ Watt, the Steelers are 1-10 since 2017 when he's not on the field. Sure, the defense can play lights out sometimes, but that's becoming increasingly rare as of late. TJ Watt is going to be 30 years old next year. Minkah Fitzpatrick, Diontae Johnson and Cole Holcomb will all be 28. Cam Heyward will be 35. Patrick Peterson will be 34. Alex Highsmith will be 27. Kenny Pickett, Jaylen Warren, and Najee Harris will all be 26. Most of our good players, especially on defense, are aging. Even if the Steelers get a slam dunk hire at OC, Omar Khan has another elite draft class, Pickett becomes a solid QB out of nowhere, the offensive line is fixed, the inside linebacker group is finally solidified, assuming all of these issues and more being fixed within the next 2-3 years, do you really think this team will be able to compete for a Super Bowl with TJ Watt well into his 30's? Honestly, as much as it sucks to say, the Steelers Super Bowl window has probably already slammed shut back in 2020, maybe even 2018. I understand that Tomlin and the Steelers always want to compete and win now, there's nothing wrong with that, but do you really think this team will even win a single playoff game any time soon unless literally EVERYTHING goes perfectly according to plan? My answer is probably no. It's easy to complain and be absolutely cynical, but I at least want to provide one possible solution.
Now I know there's probably a 0% chance that the Rooneys ever seriously consider doing this, but here's what I was alluding to in the first paragraph: THE NUCLEAR OPTION. There are many problems with how the current roster has been constructed especially due to the lack of talent on offense and the expensive defense not living up to their pay grade more often than not. Kevin Colbert was a great GM but he left the team in a rough spot with some questionable draft picks and free agent signings in recent years. It will be a very difficult task for Omar Khan and company to fix. The coaching staff has been quite awful in recent years under Tomlin, I can't say anything else that already hasn't been said for years and years by many others. The Steelers don't just have a Matt Canada problem, or a Mike Tomlin problem, or a Kenny Pickett problem, they have an "almost everything" problem. What does that mean?
Omar Khan seems to be an excellent GM so far and I think he and his assistants are worth keeping around, but the nuclear option will completely clean house beneath them. Tomlin and the ENTIRE coaching staff, gone. Most of the big contracts on the team, gone, including TJ Watt. Now again, I don't think I would take it that far, but he is at the absolute peak of his career and he has dealt with injuries the past two years and will be 30 next year. I would hate to see him leave but at least two first round picks (and a few mid round picks and cap savings on top of that) would be hard to turn down. Would you want to acquire the maximum king's ransom of draft capital that he will ever be worth, or potentially witness his value decline sharply over the next 3-5 years with the Steelers potentially never competing for a Super Bowl anyway? As absolutely insane as that may sound, nothing should be completely off the table.
I told you this conversation would be uncomfortable.
Players like Minkah, Diontae, Najee, Cam Heyward, even Alex Highsmith could be potentially traded or become cap casualties as well. Young players on rookie contracts like GP, Broderick Jones, JPJ, Keeanu Benton, etc. along with other relatively cheap solid players can obviously stay. The entire QB room would be eventually replaced, including Pickett, to make room for a future top ten pick to fit a modern NFL offense. Of course, not all of this has to happen in a single offseason, ideally two or maybe three. An offensive minded head coach would be brought in with a strong defensive coordinator to take care of that side of the ball. Along with them comes an identity and culture change from top to bottom in the locker room. It will take at least several years to build the team again from the ground up, but hopefully the Steelers can finally adapt to the modern NFL and become a great team once again.
It's certainly not the only solution to the "almost everything" problem, but it's one that I haven't seen anybody else talk about. That "no losing seasons" streak would certainly come to an end without Tomlin and TJ Watt, the Steelers could even become a basement dweller of a franchise for a short time, but it could ultimately be for the better. I'm not a genius, I don't have all the answers, I'm just a delusional Steelers fan, but part of me genuinely thinks ripping the giant bandaid off now and bleeding for a few years would be better than the path of eternal mediocrity the Steelers are currently going down with Tomlin at the helm. At least Omar Khan would have plenty of high draft picks to have fun with and the new head coach can build the identity of the team the way he envisions it instead of working with a foundation that has shown cracks for several years. If the Steelers stay the course with Mike Tomlin, bring in another no name offensive coordinator, and keep the status quo, the team will continue to stagnate for many years until they eventually hit rock bottom, like the Patriots have ironically. It's not a matter of if, but when. At least with my solution you would at least get some return on investment instead of losing absolutely everything for a Super Bowl window that was just a mirage. The next 5-10 years are going to hurt no matter what, but we're all used to that already. How far would you go to completely rebuild the team from scratch?
I highly doubt anybody would bother reading this whole unhinged rant anyways, but if you did, I would love to hear what other people think of a hypothetical scenario such as this. I need some sleep.
TL;DR: Blowing up the roster, trading TJ Watt and others, and getting rid of the entire coaching staff might sound completely crazy, but at this point it could be the best (and maybe inevitable) solution to the Steelers' many problems.
Pretty sure Scotty Bowman is one of the winningest coaches in hockey. When he was with the pens and they weren't winning, he went away. Someone has to be held accountable for the results, or lack of results.
hockey, fortunately, is more comfortable with coaching changes.
I completely agree Tomlin has over stayed his time as HC. I have been saying that for 5 years but here is the problem. The only opinion that matters is Art Rooney II. Art Rooney is VERY CLOSE FRIENDS with Tomlin. The only way Tomlin is “let go” or traded is if the Steelers lose every single game on this schedule. If the Steelers make the playoffs there is no way Tomlin is getting let go. He will be re-signed for 3 more years. That would be a tragedy because this vomit we are stuck watching week in and week out will continue. So pray for a complete and total collapse because if that doesn’t happen you mark my words Tomlin will be here for 4 more years.
Salty Steve!!!! That's how you do a highlight show without any highlights!😂😂
Just yell at the camera? lol!
Let me come back to say, This video, in fact, did age well. Interestingly enough, certain other pure blind faith, rose colored glasses wearing zealot channels have gone silent after the loss to Arizona and have yet to be heard from since. I feel for ya 5SM, trying to do a Steelers highlight channel nowadays is extremely hard. We're all die-hard Steelers fans, but it seems they are trying to see how hard. At least you got the blocked punt... Hang in there man.
Dope hat and hair king 👑
Tyyyyy
"I have no outcome on weather we win, you win by out blocking, out tackling and hitting your opponent " "When you reach the end zone, act like you've been there before!"
(Chuck Noll)
#FREEMASON
It really is time
This was some of the best work you’ve ever done
thank you brother
Mike Tomlin is not a HOFer. He has no coaching tree, he never hired a quality assistant and the last six years have cratered his chance in Canton.
He’ll get there because he coached a hallmark franchise but he’s not great. Cowher created what he had. He only deserves half credit for that success.
Dang… I really thought this was a response to another surprise firing.
should be
Hard to listen to, sucks that our team has come to this point. Great breakdown, and some nice humor in it too.
Appreciate you. Not easy but the only thing I felt like writing
I've always been a tomlin supporter, but it's time. He's a steelers hof coach but it's time..
bingo
Rip Owen hart. Steelers nation we will rise again
Realistic
thank you. just trying to be fair and honest.
@@5StarMatchup your 💯 accurate
I've been scared of thinking about these days but it's true. Let me ask this, would you rather keep having .500+ seasons but stay mediocre (8-9 wins a season), or have a losing season, reset and get some draft capitol, sign some good free agents, and then be a contender. I asked my close friends and they took the second option. I took the second option, my mother took the second option, and I think it's time for the Steelers to take the second option. All the good teams (bills, dolphins, eagles, lions, chiefs, 49ners, etc) have had losing seasons and look at them now. Chiefs won the superbowl twice in 4 years, Lions have 10 wins and will make the playoffs, 49ners have been to the NFC champ game twice in a row, Bills have made the playoffs every year since 2019, Eagles have made 2 super bowls in 5 years and won one, the Dolphins have Tua, Tyreek, Jalen Ramsey, Jevon Holland, and a speedy offense that is singlehandedly guiding them to the playoffs. It's not rocket science. I don't like saying "move on from Tomlin", but it's time.
Where u get that hat from
lol idk had it like a decade. Someone gave it to me like the last time the steelers won a playoff game or something feels like a millennia ago hahahahaha
it does feel like it's time to get rid of tomlin, but I don't think we should. Had an awesome draft last year, need to get our shit together, but give him a couple years to turn it around
Wow.
Steve dropping bombs.
The fanbase has checked-out of the Hotel Tomlin.
Too many Pgh'ers see better football on friday nights. No amount of homer nostalgia can camouflage the sad state of this franchise right now.
And yet somehow this team is still - technically, at this moment - a playoff team.
Crazy times.
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great vid. love Tomlin and i'm not sure if it's time or not, but the standard is no longer the standard...
Amen!!! You have the gift of gab my friend.
Well done video.
And yes…
The Steelers also break my heart lol.
I live in Kansas City and am boycotting the Steelers and will watch chiefs games with friends because they don’t ruin my week LOL
Way past time, the Rooney's held onto Noll to long about 10 years. Then a unproven coach came in and turned our mediocrity into success without having a franchise quarterback. Tomlin was handed a Superbowl caliber team and damn near lost two superbowls. Ben and Holmes bailed his ass out. Since then nothing but a regular season winning record, ask the Patriots how does a 16=0 regular season feel. Only post season success matters and for 13+ years he has done nothing with a franchise quarterback the entire time. Stop drinking the cool=aid people we need to change. Yes will he be hired in no time probably but lets see if he can take a bad team, come in and turn them around, my guess he will be further exposed.
Timothy. Richard. Tebow.
noooo
Now this is funny haha
ty
You’re welcome
Here We. go.
Tomlin has become a paycheck to paycheck head coach. Barely getting by and never having anything to show for the work.
I wont be mad if he coach next year, but i think his time as the Steelers coach is coming to the end unless thing changes
Kenny the Poo will never be a quality starting quarterback in the NFL. He’s lucky now to be a backup after he is ran out of Pittsburgh
I like ya
Thanks like ya too
Hard to listen to yet true
Can u plz do a video on the Patriots??
This IS my video on the patriots game. Full 5 Star is way too much effort for the 2-4k views it would get. Much love homie but this is what I got for ya this week.
It’s time to stop being complacent and hiring old college people he worked with before cuz it’s not working anymore and I understand his values and loyalty but it’s hurting the team and the people that pay for the tickets to sit in those seats and pay 300$ in nose bleeds section to watch players take plays off a play or two because they they can under tomlin is totally disrespectful to the fans and he says it’s all about the fans but doesn’t do anything about it just be a life and a great coach is all we’re asking stop the pussy foot bull💩we all now that it’s not been good for years now, js own up to it and do great and better things for goodness sake!!🤬
Always knew if we didn’t win a bowl with the killer bee’s we were screwed for years I like to think we had a good chance if bell didn’t sit out that last szn
Perhaps you're right. Either way it just sucks. I can't believe we lost 2 in a row against 2 and 10 teams! Uggh, pathetic. Still love you, STEELERS, but come on, man! 😢
What he said.
what you said
Agree with everything you just said. The culture needs changed!! It's just not working with Tomlin at the helm.
right?
What are you gonna do when the Steelers win their next 4 ?
Be hyped? I'm literally a fan
You will shit your pants
I can't wait
They'll be lucky to win 2 of those
Steelers 1-3 the next 4 weeks.
Hey you’re right this is your show you say what you wanna say the hell with everybody else I to agree with you Tomlin is done and over with Hearon deserves to be a coach no more at least with a Pittsburgh Steelers he go somewhere else we don’t need them and pick it Can you pick it should just stay on the sidelines or maybe trade him for a good quarterback experience quarterback Cuz I tell you something about Kenny Pickett. He has some good receivers and he doesn’t even know how to use them 3rd cup online receivers to get rid of both of them can you pick it and Tomlin and I agree with you you can say anything you want is your show and I agree with you 110% I’m there with you. I also agree with you never diehard Pittsburgh Steeler fan and I live in Tucson Arizona and that’s all I got to say about that.
Why does it look like your reading a script 🤔
Because I wrote a script and used a teleprompter?
Bruh
I feel the frustration and respect the sentiment, but I think youre wrong despite being on point of this being one of the lowest points of Tomlins tenure. I think we really have to stop looking at this roster with rose colored glasses. Outside of TJ Cam Boz and Minkah no one else on this roster is above replacment level except for possibly Warren. This is a full on rebuild. Howany pro bowlers do you legit think we will have? Maybe 3? We have no QB, mid at best o-line, we are injured as fuck at key positions and despite all that we are 7-6 and in playoff position controlling our destiny with winnable games ahead. No we won't compete for a Super Bowl this year but we were never going to. Tomlin deserves time to finish the rebuild. If we cant get it together by the end of this contract I could see parting ways, but no way we should let him go this offseason IMO.
I hear you on the rebuild thing but my frustration is that, imo they've been doing that since 2019 but haven't really gotten better. I guess maybe they've built a decent o line, but other than that where is the wow? Where is the potential? If Canada was wrong for the job, why did they bring him back? For an organization that prides itself on stability above all else, they're already failing at that as it pertains to the most important position on the field and the first time they've had to "bring along" a quarterback in the last twenty years. That's what bothers me more than anything.
I agree on the talent of the roster overall but, that's on them. They could've had Jalen Hurts. They could've had Creed Humphrey. Deebo Samuel. Etc.
Respect your points though. I'm just tired of having the same exact conversation every week for almost 5 years now.
@@5StarMatchup agree. Colbert didn't nail the Ben transition and we have stagnated as a result, but then again almost no franchises can nail that transition. Khan had an amazing first season, and our draft is looking like it will produce stars, so I'm hoping for great things to come. But if we don't improve by the end of next season I think regime change is a definite possibility.
Coach T should go to next press conference and say "I am not a nugget".
You win lol
This video didn’t age well.. love and appreciate your content though.
😐 its unfortunate but i feel the same way, tomlin is/was an amazing coach for us but sometimes things just get stale and boring just like any other job and when that happened you start slackin.
Coach 4 your up.... but who 🤔
If I had a nickel for everytime I've heard a Steeler fan bring up Andy Reid in Philadelphia as an example for why Pittsburgh should move on from Tomlin.
send me your cashapp i'll slide you a nickel
Everyone knows Tomlins time is over with the Steelers…..EXCEPT……TOMLIN! It’s going to take a nudge from ARII. Just like it did to get rid of Canada….I don’t care how many times Tomlin says it was his decision….that’s BS! The Steelers and Tomlin will both be better off after the divorce. Hopefully we can trade him for some early round picks.
That’s true he must come to an end cause he’s sucking a big one. He just ain’t got it not no more he’s a losing coach and we are no. Pittsburgh doesn’t like losing coaches or losing teams. It’s time for him to leave and it’s right he’s always looking at other coaches, the other coaches are laughing at him he just can’t win the big one no more and it’s not all on him. It’s up to the quarterback to he’s not ready to play NFL right now this is sideline him and make him watch and get a good quarterback, back there and I find it a experience quarterback, and sideline Pickett to wb
I hear ya. But I don’t want to hear any 5 star matchup celebration vids if the season gets turned around. You jumped ship with this one. Respect. But don’t climb back on the bandwagon.
That's not fair. We just lost back to back games to two teams that only won 2 games prior. We all have a right to be angry and disappointed in our team. We have the talent of a 12-5 record but are failing right now
Well I reject that respectfully. I'm a fan. I don't work for the team. I'm allowed to have an opinion that changes week by week just like everyone else. I can still think it's time to move on while still hoping my team wins, can't I? Everyone on national networks that gets paid millions more than me is allowed to say whatever they want whenever they want, but me with my little 17k subscriber channel I'm not allowed to feel things? Again much love but disagree with your sentiment. I still want them to win I just believe we've reached time where any real success will be with a different HC.
This didn't age well.
He should have been fired the day after the SB loss to GB. He has always been a terrible coach. Fans have been held hostage by the franchise because of the Rooney rule. It’s time to put an end to the mediocrity.
Man, don't get me excited with bs clickbait titles
Fire Dumblin IMMEDIATELY or you can expect more of what Steeler Nation has received the last 13 yrs. Dumblin is not a HOF coach. Never was!!!
Rooney. Tomlin. Get over it whiner.
Good comment
If 8-8 isnt losing then it isnt winning. Its the exact definition mediocrity is what that is.
The fucking facts are Tomlin lucked out being handed a super bowl winning team and the players made coach look better than he was/is.
Year after year its just been great talent drafted to the team but were never coached up properly by coach T to be the best player that they can possibly be.
Ive never seen a coach do so little with so much.
This man has beaten the patriots 2 times out of 14 games and NONE of those 2 victories were a patriots team with Brady under center.
THATS fucking BAD. The only time coach T has been able to make it tonthe AFCCG or SB Is bevause the Jets under Rex Ryan cleaned out the pats and colts or the ravens cleaned house and beat the Pats.
As far as KP8 goes, im not wven judging that man until ive seen him play a year under a half way decent talented OC.
All the shitty stats and judging people have been saying and bringing up about him so far is what he was forced to play with under canada.
Take canada away and kenny was making chunk plays and moving the ball right. Almost like he was being handicapped by a shitty OC or something. 🤔
Im refuse to judge Kenny until he been given a proper chance.
He beat them 3 times, and twice with Brady, but whatever, he's still old Bill's bitch