@RJ The Bike Guy - does the chain also need to be changed to match the width of the cassette cogs? In which case wouldn’t the crankset also need to be changed?
awesome, RJ! remember my 1983 Trek 520? Im looking to upgrade my current 2x8, you just confirmed my belief of it being possible to jump from from 8 to 9 or 10. Thanks, man!
you have covered the details in other videos but i add this for people viewing to source first time information: moving from a 7 to 8 cassette should have little issue, from nine to 11 you will expect to replace as well as the cassette, the chain, chain ring, & both front and rear mech's.
Thank you for this explanation really clear and helpful. I bought a 2nd hand mtb, with 7spd cassette, after I checked your video I go right away and checked mine and found no spacer. But then few months later, I found out that this model originally had 8spd. Not sure if there are other parts changed aside from the freehub and cassette.
Pro tip, you should be able to see the spacer without taking it off. In other words, if the cassette is 7 speed and the cassette is all the way against the flange of the freehub with no spacer then it is not 8 speed or higher compatible. Just look for the spacer before going to the effort of disassembly and measurement. The reason I mention this isn't to dispute the poster but if you are out "used bike shopping" or see a bike at a garage sale quick tips to identify parts can save you from making a purchase that won't benifiet you.
That is a good point, but in my case, it was the right bike until I sent it to colombia, and now I have to get more and higher gears , then is less expensive than buying a new bike. 😊
RJ!! As per usual, you're the MAN! A follow up question: As the selection seems to be vastly greater for 8 speed cassettes, in worst case, can you just buy an 8 speed cassette and throw out one of the cogwheels and fit on to your 7 speed hub??
I'd like to upgrade from 6 now I'm ancient and find mountains a bit tough. I'd like a 1-1. My bike was built for me when I used to race in 1988, and I love the 531c frame for touring which is all I do now. It used to be impossible to fit a 7 speed, but I guess chains have become narrower -- could I possibly fit a 7 speed (or more?). I cannot find a bike shop who even know what I am talking about! I used to be fairly competent at maintenance. This is the best advice I've found so far!
very informative video.. keep posting... newbee here in biking from cebu, Philippines... i minimized my expense on my bike upgrade...thank you so much..
great video! Exactly the question i had in mind. Now if there was some sort of database where we can look up a specific model bike and from a certain year and quickly learn what (if) could be upgraded to, that would be fantastic!
Informative as always. Another thing I've found is that some cassettes have protruding pins that hold the low gears together, so there's not a flush surface on the lowest gear, and it breaks plastic spacers.
this video is a god-send. you would think this information would be widely available on every cycling website or video. But noooooo.... everyone just says the 7 speed hub is different from the 8/9/10 speed hub. Thanks, what am I supposed to do with that lack-of-information?
AWESOME info been looking for this for a while, have a 2018 marlin 5 now I know what to look for if I want to upgrade the drive train. Thanks for the the money and time saved.
Hello, thank you very very much for your information, and for taking time to do this video, sharing this knowledge. Thanks again. Sorry for my bad english.
Just put on (30mins ago) a Shimano 11 speed cassette on a Shimano FH-M565 8 speed cassette. My 1995 Mongoose IBOC Zero G MtB. There wasn't a spacer on the free hub either. I've just ordered an 11 speed chain. Already have a SRAM 11 speed shifter and rear derailleur. Will let you know how it comes out, once I complete the project.
andrew geary What vintage MTB do you have and what are the specs? Which freehub do you have? I lucked out on my conversion and didn’t have to get new wheels. You’ll want to get a new bottom bracket as well.
I was thinking about upgrading your videos have really helped me a lot and also in understanding about my bike, you clearly explain everything. Thank you Sir.
I have a 7 speed cassette on an 8 gear bike. Is there a cheap and easy way around this issue to stop the chain from coming off when I reach the end of the gearing? Thanks.
Thanks for this in the process of upgrading my drivetrain from a 3x8 to a 1x9 and the cassette I'm using is a sunrace 11-42T 9 speed that will be going on to a 35mm hub which is exactly what I have Thanks for this video very useful information 👍
If ya don’t mind me asking, what bike is this on? And what are you upgrading from? I have an older Devinci hardtail I’m trying to do the same to, 1x9, it’s currently got a 3x8, are the cassettes then same width?
This was extremely helpful, THANKS!!! Also I have a 9 speed currently and im planning on getting an 11 speed if I do that will i need to get a new chain, shifters and deraullier? Thanks this was very informative
As long as you have a modern standard freehub you can go up to a non xd 12 speed. Idk if in shimano its only up to 11 speed might be due to the way sram designed their cassettes. Love to hear your thoughts if shimano 12 speed cassette can fit. There's extra tricks to file down that elevated notch to give you more room on the hub.
Info about 11 speed: In case any one want to upgrade to 11 speed cassette, on standard 10 speed cassette it's possible,but you will get chain drop when back pedalling,because of the position of the cassette, a 11 speed compatible freehub/wider freehub,will fix this issue. the further from the centre/closer to the frame.I got Hope Pro 4,it sue a spacer for 10& 11 speed cassettes.
11 speed is a slightly wider freehub than the 8/9/10 speed freehub. So you are unlikely to find a bike with a 7 speed cassette that will take an 11 speed cassette.
Hey man, it’d be great help if you could checkout the 2020 trek marlin 5 and tell me if it is upgradable or not. It comes with a 7 speed shimano HG200, 12-32
Quick question - do you keep the same rear derailleur and shifters after changing to more cogs? I wanna do this update to my road bike from 6 speed to 8 speed. Thank you.
Hi RJ! Dude, thanks to you I’ve been able to do changes to & maintenance of my drivetrain thereby saving tons of money! Which has been great as my performance has improved. Now, onto my next change & question. My bike is a 1991 Trek 1200 which I love. It is a seven speed with the original shifters & I want to know about going to 8 cogs. Can the original index shifters be adjusted to 8 speeds? I just saw this video & haven’t yet done the measurements but I thought I would first ask about the shifters. I’ve already changed the chain, chainrings & have built my own cassette out of the original cassette & another one I bought on Amazon. Thanks RJ & please keep the videos coming!
The frame is spaced for 126mm for the rear wheel. An 8 speed rear wheel is spaced to 130mm. You can maybe squeeze the wheel in. Don't try cold setting the frame though.
RJ The Bike Guy Thanks for that, but what about the shifters? I just removed my front detailed & im going 1x now. I live in Florida, so there was no dilemma in making the change. Anyway, I don’t need the shifter for the chainring & wonder if I could use that in conjunction with an 8 speed cassette, if I make that change.
Came across this vid the second time because now I know the answer to converting a 7 speed to 1x7. You don’t have to upgrade to 8 speed. Take the 11-42T 8spd cassette and swap your old 12T gear ring into it, making a 1x7 compatible setup. Hope I didn’t confuse anyone.
Could you just take 9 cogs out of a 10 speed cassette and adjust the limit screws of the rear derailleur? That would be a way to upgrade a 7 speed cassette without a spacer
xGshikamaru good idea but removing just 1 cog probably won't be enough to maket the cassette those 5mm shorter. Maybe 2 and adding a spacer would work.
I have a question. Is there a limitation for installing the wheel with upgraded 11 speed or 9speed cassette to the frame that only has 7speed originally?
Yes. The hubs are wider. So the frame spacing might be a limit. If it's a steel frame you might be able to cold set it wider. ruclips.net/video/YdibmxBuMy0/видео.html Don't do that to a non-steel frame (aluminum, carbon, titanium, etc). For those you might be able to squeeze the wheel in, but that can be a hassle, and or other issues .
Remember, upping the number of cogs is just one thing, will you need new shifters, new derailleurs, heck I still have 90's down tube shifters so I'd probably have to buy new brakes/shifters too, and that sounds like a whole new group set! Staying with 7 for now.
The shifters need to match the cogs. The derailleur just needs to be compatible (SIS) and reach the cogs. So a 9 speed derailleur might work with 7, 8 or 10 speed also.
Don't get me wrong, having indexed shifting with more gears is nice. But the difference between 10 and 11 cogs is negligible unless you are a high level cyclist needing to get into very specific rpm/power ranges. 7 or 8 cogs are probably enough for most people.
Yes that is good but i learn that by changing the hub you can still use the same rim and at lower cost can be upgraded to higher than 7 speed. 😊 also you need a new chain, because the thickness and may need a new crankset or change the rings on it, some 7 speed crankset may work but the way they build the bikes today is to make you buy everything. I know all of these because I'm going through this process myself. 😅😅. Also you need a longer axel and may need to wide the back of the frame. I think i cover everything.
Upgraded my 7speed Shimano cassette and indexed shifting system to a Sram 9 speed indexed system. All is well except when I back spin in the 2 largest cassette rings/lowest gears, the chain derails. Up and down shifts are perfect. Back spin in any other rings perfect. Any ideas??? TIA
Can you just change the wheel out for one that has more chain rings? And would you have to change the chain to a longer one? Or could you use the same one?
Hi RJ, I have a 7 speed hub without the spacer (30mm). When I fitted a 10 speed cassette and removed the smallest (11T) cog, it will fit in the shorter hub. The lock ring is still pressing against the new smallest (now 12T) cog. Question: will this set up work? What shifter do I need, 9 speed or 10 speed?
I have a vintage SHIMANO FH-HG50 on vintage aero clincher rim rear wheel that only takes 7 speed cassette. I found out that buying a 8-speed-freehub and longer rear axle is cheaper than buying a new rear wheel so is it possible to replace the axles and free-hubs to upgrade? thanks : )
Right now I have a trek 3900. It has an 8 speed on the rear. I found a trek 3500 on ebay. The frame is just a different color. Thats the reason I wanted it. After a little more research I found that the 3500 came equipped with a 7 speed. As the 3900 came equipped with an 8 speed. My goal was just to swap all my parts from my 3900 to the 3500. My question is will the 8 speed rear wheel fit on the 3500? I dont have the 3500 yet. It's still in the mail. Thanks. Love the videos you make.
2:43 It looks like there is a flange (extrusions) of about 3mm in length on that piece of metal. If I had access to lathe, would it be feasible to remove them, and would that give me enough room to mount an 8-speed cassette? Thanks
Great vid! 1 question.. can i put my old speed 7 cassette bike on a trainer that comes with a speed 11 by just change the 11 cassette to a 7 one? Or do i need another body? TY!
Thanks for the info... what happens to your shifter? If I have a 7-speed shifter, can I remove 2 of the gears (and place them in the back as spacers) and still use my 7-speed gear? I just want to have more range (highest to lowest). I don't mind losing 2 of the middle gears in between the range. it will also save me from buying a 9-speed gears and derailleur :D thanks
*shrug* So you could mount an 8 speed cassette, minus one cog, and get 7 speeds. You would still have to use 8 speed shifters. Maybe you could get 8/9 speeds with a 10 speed cassette, minus a cog or two, but you would have to use 10 speed shifters. Because the cog spacing is different for each. Maybe possible, but is it really worth it?
Technically, 8 or 9 sprockets can be installed on a 7-speed hub using 9- or 10-speed spacing. In practice, go for 10-speed. As RJ says, you will need new 10-speed shifters + don't forget a 10-speed (thinner) chain too, as the cogs are closer together. I recommend retaining the top cog for the lock-ring and removing other cog(s); alternatively, source a different sized top cog from eBay. Feel free to consult the oracle at sheldonbrown.com. Eventually, when you actually upgrade the rear wheel to a 8/9/10-speed hub you will be able use all 10 cogs. I do feel that this video is slightly misleading, as RJ actually had an 8/9/10-speed hub (as evidenced by 4.5mm spacer) with a 7-speed cassette - ie. it was bound to fit
rj i got a problem on my 1987 trek 10 speed road bike the back rim is wabbley the cones onder the freewheel need to be tightend up an yes its easy i now how to do it but i cant find an old freewheel remover tool that has the 2 splitsin in it.
Awesome work RJ! I just upgraded my 8spd Casette to 12spd. It seems the width of 8spd and 12spd are the same. My problem is I have a little play maybe 0.5mm from forwards to backwards, alot of guys I asked say it's normal to have play front to back as the casette splines have a little play before they engage. Just wanted to ask the pro (you). My freehub body is like new its a Shimano deore fh-525 hub. Had these parts for 12years since I finally found good deals on parts. I'm not to worried about the play as there is no play when I pull it or push it towards the spokes. Just wanted to make sure before I go for a long ride. Keep up the good work and video man. The best bike repair channel on the net.
The question I had when watching this video that I was hoping to get answered was if the derailleur and shifter would be compatible between different speed cassette and freewheels.
I have novatec hub and it says for 8,9,10 speed cassette. But i want to upgrade my drivetrain into 11speed. Do you think my stock hub can accomodate 11speed??
Hello, RJ bike guy, now i run a 11-36, 7 speed cassette, can I upgrade it to a 10 speed cassette 11-46? At my local bike shop the mecanic told me that i can use a 10 speed, but does it fit?
The wheel doesn't care how many teeth the cassette has. Either it fits or doesn't. Maybe he meant the your derailleur can't handle a 46 tooth cassette. That has nothing to do with the wheel. But ask the mechanic for details of what they meant. Or figure it out. Or you are neglecting to tell me some vital piece of information. I am not going to play 20 questions.
My bike has a 7 speed freewheel, I'd like to do a 1x9 conversion, I know I'll need a new wheel to accept a 9spd cassette, my question is, what about the frame, would the dropouts need to be wider?
@@RJTheBikeGuy Thanks again for this, I followed your video and when I checked my frame, the dropout spacing is just over 130mm so I should be good to go with the conversion without having to modify the frame?
Hi RJ, again thks for everything. I would like to tackle a 21 speed (upgrade is it?) using new or rebuild Shimano derailleurs, new 7 gear cassette and new 3-ring chainring. No time like the present to begin replacing badly worn parts to shift smoothly and ride safely. Your thoughts please.
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Nice to know. Just found a brand new in the box 9 speed hg cassette at good will for 5 bucks. 👍✌️
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@RJ The Bike Guy - does the chain also need to be changed to match the width of the cassette cogs? In which case wouldn’t the crankset also need to be changed?
how about the other way around? don't really need or want all the gears that my bike has.
You are actually the only guy on web providing the 2 HG freehub body sizes existing : 30mm (for 7v) and 35mm (8, 9, 10v). A big thank you sir
I know this is 5 years old but your explanation of if you can add gears or not was so simple, clear and easy to understand. Appreciate your video.
Thanks for doing us all a big favor!
This information was hard to come by, but luckily you just clarified everything!
You answered so many questions I was searching for. Most of your videos are few years old already but for sure they don't stop being relevant. Thanks.
This has saved me about £100
Me too
i've been looking for this for ages, thank you RJ
awesome, RJ! remember my 1983 Trek 520? Im looking to upgrade my current 2x8, you just confirmed my belief of it being possible to jump from from 8 to 9 or 10. Thanks, man!
you have covered the details in other videos but i add this for people viewing to source first time information: moving from a 7 to 8 cassette should have little issue, from nine to 11 you will expect to replace as well as the cassette, the chain, chain ring, & both front and rear mech's.
This comment really helped me! Upgrading old Cannondale
Thank you for this explanation really clear and helpful. I bought a 2nd hand mtb, with 7spd cassette, after I checked your video I go right away and checked mine and found no spacer. But then few months later, I found out that this model originally had 8spd. Not sure if there are other parts changed aside from the freehub and cassette.
Pro tip, you should be able to see the spacer without taking it off. In other words, if the cassette is 7 speed and the cassette is all the way against the flange of the freehub with no spacer then it is not 8 speed or higher compatible. Just look for the spacer before going to the effort of disassembly and measurement. The reason I mention this isn't to dispute the poster but if you are out "used bike shopping" or see a bike at a garage sale quick tips to identify parts can save you from making a purchase that won't benifiet you.
That is a good point, but in my case, it was the right bike until I sent it to colombia, and now I have to get more and higher gears , then is less expensive than buying a new bike. 😊
Thank you mate very helpful
RJ!! As per usual, you're the MAN!
A follow up question: As the selection seems to be vastly greater for 8 speed cassettes, in worst case, can you just buy an 8 speed cassette and throw out one of the cogwheels and fit on to your 7 speed hub??
I'd like to upgrade from 6 now I'm ancient and find mountains a bit tough. I'd like a 1-1. My bike was built for me when I used to race in 1988, and I love the 531c frame for touring which is all I do now. It used to be impossible to fit a 7 speed, but I guess chains have become narrower -- could I possibly fit a 7 speed (or more?). I cannot find a bike shop who even know what I am talking about! I used to be fairly competent at maintenance. This is the best advice I've found so far!
very informative video.. keep posting... newbee here in biking from cebu, Philippines... i minimized my expense on my bike upgrade...thank you so much..
great video! Exactly the question i had in mind. Now if there was some sort of database where we can look up a specific model bike and from a certain year and quickly learn what (if) could be upgraded to, that would be fantastic!
Informative as always. Another thing I've found is that some cassettes have protruding pins that hold the low gears together, so there's not a flush surface on the lowest gear, and it breaks plastic spacers.
I have used a file on those plastic spacers to make a notch in order to clear the spacers, no problems.
Yer, me too ... after having cracked one. They're brittle fellows. They've got a smidge of bend, but not much, and they disintegrate. Safe rolling.
I talk about this in this other video around the 2:00 mark: ruclips.net/video/Jrd5XAQfgaA/видео.html
Great video! Good explanation. Thanks. 35mm length the key.
The only simple explanation on RUclips👍🏼
Thank you so much RJ for posting this! I'm currently updating a 96 Trek 820 Mountain Track and this info is exactly what I was looking for.
I have an 830 lol have you have a chance to check?
this video is a god-send. you would think this information would be widely available on every cycling website or video. But noooooo.... everyone just says the 7 speed hub is different from the 8/9/10 speed hub. Thanks, what am I supposed to do with that lack-of-information?
AWESOME info been looking for this for a while, have a 2018 marlin 5 now I know what to look for if I want to upgrade the drive train. Thanks for the the money and time saved.
Thanks! You saved me money and time. I'm sticking with my 7 speed..
Hello, thank you very very much for your information, and for taking time to do this video, sharing this knowledge. Thanks again. Sorry for my bad english.
I feel you roxx rj,, sorry about your fall btw
Just put on (30mins ago) a Shimano 11 speed cassette on a Shimano FH-M565 8 speed cassette. My 1995 Mongoose IBOC Zero G MtB. There wasn't a spacer on the free hub either. I've just ordered an 11 speed chain. Already have a SRAM 11 speed shifter and rear derailleur. Will let you know how it comes out, once I complete the project.
I would love to see how this works out for you. I have a 9 speed and have considered doing this.
Worked out great, just came back in from a 10mile ride...
So I would have to get a shifter, chain, derailleur, and cassette to got from my 9 speed?
andrew geary What vintage MTB do you have and what are the specs? Which freehub do you have? I lucked out on my conversion and didn’t have to get new wheels. You’ll want to get a new bottom bracket as well.
andrew geary Yes, because you’ll be putting on a new 11 speed transmission.
Very good explanation , congratulations from Spain!
I was thinking about upgrading your videos have really helped me a lot and also in understanding about my bike, you clearly explain everything.
Thank you Sir.
I see non-upgradeable hub is same my old mtb has) Rather would consider going 1x7 instead of adding more gears. Track I use is pretty flat, though.
Wish I found this first!! Thanks for saving me some time and research!
Thanks RJ. That video has saved me a lot of aggravation, time and money.
I have a 7 speed cassette on an 8 gear bike. Is there a cheap and easy way around this issue to stop the chain from coming off when I reach the end of the gearing? Thanks.
Screw the L limit screw in to limit the movement of the derailleur
YES, exactly the info about freehub width I was looking for. Thanks.
Thanks for this in the process of upgrading my drivetrain from a 3x8 to a 1x9 and the cassette I'm using is a sunrace 11-42T 9 speed that will be going on to a 35mm hub which is exactly what I have
Thanks for this video very useful information 👍
If ya don’t mind me asking, what bike is this on? And what are you upgrading from? I have an older Devinci hardtail I’m trying to do the same to, 1x9, it’s currently got a 3x8, are the cassettes then same width?
This was extremely helpful, THANKS!!! Also I have a 9 speed currently and im planning on getting an 11 speed if I do that will i need to get a new chain, shifters and deraullier? Thanks this was very informative
11 speed probably won't fit on a 9 speed hub. Yes you would need new chain, shifters and maybe derailleur.
RJ The Bike Guy ok thanks
I love you RJ, your videos are awesome and very useful
As long as you have a modern standard freehub you can go up to a non xd 12 speed. Idk if in shimano its only up to 11 speed might be due to the way sram designed their cassettes. Love to hear your thoughts if shimano 12 speed cassette can fit. There's extra tricks to file down that elevated notch to give you more room on the hub.
Shimano 12 speed needs microspline, but You can use a sunrace 11-51
Info about 11 speed:
In case any one want to upgrade to 11 speed cassette, on standard 10 speed cassette it's possible,but you will get chain drop when back pedalling,because of the position of the cassette, a 11 speed compatible freehub/wider freehub,will fix this issue. the further from the centre/closer to the frame.I got Hope Pro 4,it sue a spacer for 10& 11 speed cassettes.
11 speed is a slightly wider freehub than the 8/9/10 speed freehub. So you are unlikely to find a bike with a 7 speed cassette that will take an 11 speed cassette.
I did this with XT M8000 cassette. On a formula/bontrager hub with 10speed freehub.
Of course,I knew that.
It's almost enough to make me buy an entirely new hub and restring!
Why do you need 11 speed? Really, how much is that extra gear going to get you?
this vid is 7 years old but STILL used it to measure the hubs. And! got an 11spd casette to fit onto a 35mm freehub body!
Thanks
great Video. thanks from Surabaya, Indonesia
Lot of thanks Rj, you're videos or basically you are a big help.
Always keeps it simple..perfect.
Thanks for the info and very informative. We'll done and as always YOU ARE THE MAN!!!
Helped a lot sir thank you very much...watching from Philippines here...😉
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Hey man, it’d be great help if you could checkout the 2020 trek marlin 5 and tell me if it is upgradable or not. It comes with a 7 speed shimano HG200, 12-32
Did you ever find out if the 2020 trek marlin 5 is upgradable?
@@the_coreyjohnson it’s not
Very useful! Thank you! 👍🏻👍🏻
Quick question - do you keep the same rear derailleur and shifters after changing to more cogs? I wanna do this update to my road bike from 6 speed to 8 speed. Thank you.
You might be able to keep the derailleur, but the shifters have to change. ruclips.net/video/xMvD1T4qF1E/видео.html
@@RJTheBikeGuy Thank you so much for your fast reply, kind sir. Will keep that in mind for future.
Any 135mm OLD axle can be converted to fit the 35mm FH for 8-12 speed. SunRace has the 11 & 12 speed cassettes for the Shimano FH
Thank you for all your videos
Love all your videos
Most informative,
Thank You so Much!
impressive, most impressive
Hi RJ!
Dude, thanks to you I’ve been able to do changes to & maintenance of my drivetrain thereby saving tons of money! Which has been great as my performance has improved. Now, onto my next change & question.
My bike is a 1991 Trek 1200 which I love. It is a seven speed with the original shifters & I want to know about going to 8 cogs. Can the original index shifters be adjusted to 8 speeds? I just saw this video & haven’t yet done the measurements but I thought I would first ask about the shifters. I’ve already changed the chain, chainrings & have built my own cassette out of the original cassette & another one I bought on Amazon. Thanks RJ & please keep the videos coming!
The frame is spaced for 126mm for the rear wheel. An 8 speed rear wheel is spaced to 130mm. You can maybe squeeze the wheel in. Don't try cold setting the frame though.
RJ The Bike Guy Thanks for that, but what about the shifters? I just removed my front detailed & im going 1x now. I live in Florida, so there was no dilemma in making the change. Anyway, I don’t need the shifter for the chainring & wonder if I could use that in conjunction with an 8 speed cassette, if I make that change.
Your videos are always so helpful!
RJ - all of your videos are excellent. Subbing!! :D
Very usefull video👍👍
thanks for this info. Great videos. Well done.
Came across this vid the second time because now I know the answer to converting a 7 speed to 1x7. You don’t have to upgrade to 8 speed. Take the 11-42T 8spd cassette and swap your old 12T gear ring into it, making a 1x7 compatible setup. Hope I didn’t confuse anyone.
Could you just take 9 cogs out of a 10 speed cassette and adjust the limit screws of the rear derailleur? That would be a way to upgrade a 7 speed cassette without a spacer
No. The cog spacing is different on various speed cogsets.
No I mean take a 10 speed shifter, 9 cogs out of a 10 speed cassette, and adjust limit screws so you can't shift to the non existent 10th speed
xGshikamaru good idea but removing just 1 cog probably won't be enough to maket the cassette those 5mm shorter. Maybe 2 and adding a spacer would work.
Yes you can! Explaination here : sheldonbrown.com/k7.html
@@thomaschuette6789 Thank you!
I have a question. Is there a limitation for installing the wheel with upgraded 11 speed or 9speed cassette to the frame that only has 7speed originally?
Yes. The hubs are wider. So the frame spacing might be a limit. If it's a steel frame you might be able to cold set it wider. ruclips.net/video/YdibmxBuMy0/видео.html
Don't do that to a non-steel frame (aluminum, carbon, titanium, etc). For those you might be able to squeeze the wheel in, but that can be a hassle, and or other issues .
@@RJTheBikeGuy would this be doable on an older steel frame that's brazed like a 56 JC Higgans vs one that's welded like a 90s+?
@@PghMtbRides Yes. This is at your own risk on any bike though. But I have never had issues.
Thanks, one more question. Can I upgrade from 7 speed road bike to an 11 speed wheelset? (Planing to buy a groupset.)
The hub will be wider. From 126mm, to 130mm (or a hair wider). A steel frame can be spread, otherwise, no.
Remember, upping the number of cogs is just one thing, will you need new shifters, new derailleurs, heck I still have 90's down tube shifters so I'd probably have to buy new brakes/shifters too, and that sounds like a whole new group set! Staying with 7 for now.
The shifters need to match the cogs. The derailleur just needs to be compatible (SIS) and reach the cogs. So a 9 speed derailleur might work with 7, 8 or 10 speed also.
RJ The Bike Guy that's why I love my Simplex Retrofriction Levers ! ! ditch the index stuff ! !
oh, and to eliminate over shifting, get a Simplex "demultiplicateur". you can make finer adjustments more easily.
Don't get me wrong, having indexed shifting with more gears is nice. But the difference between 10 and 11 cogs is negligible unless you are a high level cyclist needing to get into very specific rpm/power ranges. 7 or 8 cogs are probably enough for most people.
What maintenance or things should i service and replace on a 16 year old bicycle 2001 Raleigh M30 XL frame in blue.
Clean everything. Overhaul what needs overhauling. Replace what needs replacing. Fixing what needs fixing. Adjust what needs adjusting.
what are your thoughts on a vintage Shimano Exage FH-HG50? can it be upgraded?
Grate video, thank you!
Wish you would go over the proper shimano spacers (the ones that go behind the cassette) for each speed upgrade.
I do mention them in some of my videos.
thank you. this why now i am looking to update my wheels for an 8 speed cassette.
just what i needed to know thank you RJ
Great show
Thanks for this. Can a 7 spd (30mm) freehub body be replaced by a 10 spd+ (35mm) freehub body?
Yes that is good but i learn that by changing the hub you can still use the same rim and at lower cost can be upgraded to higher than 7 speed. 😊 also you need a new chain, because the thickness and may need a new crankset or change the rings on it, some 7 speed crankset may work but the way they build the bikes today is to make you buy everything. I know all of these because I'm going through this process myself. 😅😅. Also you need a longer axel and may need to wide the back of the frame. I think i cover everything.
Thanks for making the video simple n good tips
Upgraded my 7speed Shimano cassette and indexed shifting system to a Sram 9 speed indexed system. All is well except when I back spin in the 2 largest cassette rings/lowest gears, the chain derails. Up and down shifts are perfect. Back spin in any other rings perfect. Any ideas??? TIA
I can't really tel you what is happening without looking at it.
That is normal.
Hi looking @ bikes, is a cassette of eight with 7 gears, is that good?
Can you just change the wheel out for one that has more chain rings? And would you have to change the chain to a longer one? Or could you use the same one?
Hi RJ,
I have a 7 speed hub without the spacer (30mm). When I fitted a 10 speed cassette and removed the smallest (11T) cog, it will fit in the shorter hub. The lock ring is still pressing against the new smallest (now 12T) cog.
Question: will this set up work? What shifter do I need, 9 speed or 10 speed?
I have a vintage SHIMANO FH-HG50 on vintage aero clincher rim rear wheel that only takes 7 speed cassette. I found out that buying a 8-speed-freehub and longer rear axle is cheaper than buying a new rear wheel so is it possible to replace the axles and free-hubs to upgrade? thanks : )
Right now I have a trek 3900. It has an 8 speed on the rear. I found a trek 3500 on ebay. The frame is just a different color. Thats the reason I wanted it. After a little more research I found that the 3500 came equipped with a 7 speed. As the 3900 came equipped with an 8 speed. My goal was just to swap all my parts from my 3900 to the 3500. My question is will the 8 speed rear wheel fit on the 3500? I dont have the 3500 yet. It's still in the mail. Thanks. Love the videos you make.
Thank you very much for this video!
2:43 It looks like there is a flange (extrusions) of about 3mm in length on that piece of metal. If I had access to lathe, would it be feasible to remove them, and would that give me enough room to mount an 8-speed cassette? Thanks
Shrug. You are on your own with anything like that!
Definitly it will work
Great vid! 1 question.. can i put my old speed 7 cassette bike on a trainer that comes with a speed 11 by just change the 11 cassette to a 7 one? Or do i need another body? TY!
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I'll get a quote from my local bike shop for a hub rebuild in that case. Ah, the need for speeds!
Can you replace the freehub to allow for more gears or is it just better to go with a different complete rear hub?
Go with a different wheel/hub.
@@RJTheBikeGuy I had a feeling but thought I'd ask the master :-)
Thanks for the info... what happens to your shifter? If I have a 7-speed shifter, can I remove 2 of the gears (and place them in the back as spacers) and still use my 7-speed gear? I just want to have more range (highest to lowest). I don't mind losing 2 of the middle gears in between the range. it will also save me from buying a 9-speed gears and derailleur :D thanks
Would it be possible to remove one or more sprocket rings of an 8/9/10 speed cassette to allow it to fit on a non-upgradeable free hub?
*shrug* So you could mount an 8 speed cassette, minus one cog, and get 7 speeds. You would still have to use 8 speed shifters. Maybe you could get 8/9 speeds with a 10 speed cassette, minus a cog or two, but you would have to use 10 speed shifters. Because the cog spacing is different for each. Maybe possible, but is it really worth it?
Technically, 8 or 9 sprockets can be installed on a 7-speed hub using 9- or 10-speed spacing. In practice, go for 10-speed. As RJ says, you will need new 10-speed shifters + don't forget a 10-speed (thinner) chain too, as the cogs are closer together. I recommend retaining the top cog for the lock-ring and removing other cog(s); alternatively, source a different sized top cog from eBay. Feel free to consult the oracle at sheldonbrown.com. Eventually, when you actually upgrade the rear wheel to a 8/9/10-speed hub you will be able use all 10 cogs. I do feel that this video is slightly misleading, as RJ actually had an 8/9/10-speed hub (as evidenced by 4.5mm spacer) with a 7-speed cassette - ie. it was bound to fit
Hi, I was thinking of switching to a 135mm 9-speed hub. Do not recommend it?
Thanks so much mate
rj i got a problem on my 1987 trek 10 speed road bike the back rim is wabbley the cones onder the freewheel need to be tightend up an yes its easy i now how to do it but i cant find an old freewheel remover tool that has the 2 splitsin in it.
Like this? www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B001472M4K/ref=nosim/youtube25-20
So what about fitting a 9 speed on a 8speed casset free hub? do we go with the 35mm data?
Answered in the video.
Awesome work RJ! I just upgraded my 8spd Casette to 12spd. It seems the width of 8spd and 12spd are the same. My problem is I have a little play maybe 0.5mm from forwards to backwards, alot of guys I asked say it's normal to have play front to back as the casette splines have a little play before they engage. Just wanted to ask the pro (you). My freehub body is like new its a Shimano deore fh-525 hub. Had these parts for 12years since I finally found good deals on parts. I'm not to worried about the play as there is no play when I pull it or push it towards the spokes. Just wanted to make sure before I go for a long ride. Keep up the good work and video man. The best bike repair channel on the net.
They shouldn't have play after the locknut is tightened down.
The question I had when watching this video that I was hoping to get answered was if the derailleur and shifter would be compatible between different speed cassette and freewheels.
I have novatec hub and it says for 8,9,10 speed cassette. But i want to upgrade my drivetrain into 11speed. Do you think my stock hub can accomodate 11speed??
What is the best or compatible Cassette hub for 10 speed 11-50T?
Hello, RJ bike guy, now i run a 11-36, 7 speed cassette, can I upgrade it to a 10 speed cassette 11-46? At my local bike shop the mecanic told me that i can use a 10 speed, but does it fit?
Did you follow this video?
@@RJTheBikeGuy so as long as it fits a 10 speed cassette it can have any amount of teeth, like the one from sunrace 11-46 teeth?
Why wouldn't it?
@@RJTheBikeGuy The mechanic from my local shop said that it would not fit, so i was confused
The wheel doesn't care how many teeth the cassette has. Either it fits or doesn't. Maybe he meant the your derailleur can't handle a 46 tooth cassette. That has nothing to do with the wheel. But ask the mechanic for details of what they meant. Or figure it out. Or you are neglecting to tell me some vital piece of information. I am not going to play 20 questions.
Thank you for sharing :-)
@RJ the bike guy
if you can't put a 10 s cassette on 126mm rear freewheel? can you just buy a 130mm with a free hub to fit a 10 speed?
would that work
My bike has a 7 speed freewheel, I'd like to do a 1x9 conversion, I know I'll need a new wheel to accept a 9spd cassette, my question is, what about the frame, would the dropouts need to be wider?
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Oh damn thank you! Your videos are great, so easy to follow!
@@RJTheBikeGuy Thanks again for this, I followed your video and when I checked my frame, the dropout spacing is just over 130mm so I should be good to go with the conversion without having to modify the frame?
Really helpful! Thanks!
thankyou this is very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
Hi RJ, again thks for everything. I would like to tackle a 21 speed (upgrade is it?) using new or rebuild Shimano derailleurs, new 7 gear cassette and new 3-ring chainring. No time like the present to begin replacing badly worn parts to shift smoothly and ride safely. Your thoughts please.
I have an 3*8 system on my bike and I want to change it to a 1*10. Do I have to replace the hub or can I just by a 10 speed cassette?