As a Bangladeshi Bengali Hindu (Bangaal) it gives me immense pain to hear Mr Sen's points. That is the whole point of bringing BJP into power. We want to solve the ethnic and civilizational problems of India.
worst part is despite him being a BH hindu himself, he is clearly discounting what generations of bengali hindus know, specially the ones who had to leave their land . people like sen are the harbinger of certain generational misery and death of entire civilizations and communities.
Loksabha and rajyabha TV are only two channels one should go to watch if they want a genuine news and discussion. Other news channels can only offer news based upon sensationalization; their hosts are specifically instructed to interrupt the discussion intermittently and make provocative comments just so they generate more TRPs. Even the participants are aware of this fact. Unfortunately, the same couldn't be said for the poor janta. We eat whenever is being fed to us without questioning anyone and anything. It's like one of those wrestling matches where wrestlers are entertainer and performer first, then and only then, are there for fighting their opponents.
Mr. J Sai. Deepak - Thank you for the clarification of the constitutional aspect in this matter (esp. Art 14). Also, please come to the show more often! Good show :)
Hope for BJP actually....he tries to find some arguable logics and pronounce with utmost conviction....making us feel as if everything is fair..same with his logics for Sabarimala issue....his starting the debate..with the premise that "Two nations theory" is a arguable reality....people of India dont believe in it..those who believed in two nations idea are in Pakistan..some reluctantly stayed in India and finally killed Gandhi for not accepting the two nation theory...I want to live in Hindusthan not Hindu Pakistan...
@@Azadpandit1008 sir..world identifies bloody pakistan by its religion..I don't want my India to be either remembered or identified by any religion..that what I meant by not being Hindu Pakistan..Thank you for responding
@@cvvaibhav4706 Hinduism isn't a religion 😑.. There's no book for it like the other faiths/religions So there's nothing wrong in acknowledging India as a 'Hindurashtra' Also.. What are the 'arguable logics' you are talking about? Be specific atleast instead of making pointless comments
What is guts? Sai- I vociferously, vehemently n vigorously disagree with my co-panelists"👊 Meanwhile they to frank- dont invite us if this legend is in the panel😐
The NRC was instituted under Secular principles, which is why in conjunction with the Muslims the Hindu's, who could not prove their citizenship, in Asaam were both deemed stateless - that's fair, because its completely secular and therefore applies to all who cannot show they are a citizen of India. A secular, democratic constitution is that which, at its root, enshrines personal freedoms for everyone!*. The cleanest and most effective *test of Secularism under the principles of Freedom to Choose is Religion! Religion is the most personal and spiritual aspect any individual should be absolutely free to make. That's Secularism and that was the test of the NRC in Asaam. The NRC failed precisely because there was uproar in the North Eastern provinces due to the reality of people being linked by Tribe and Religion rather than a National Border, people living on both sides of the border (of the same ethnicity, race, religion, culture, tribe and families) did not want to have an identity card and everyone be checked all the time to see which side of a National Border they belonged, etc. and also families and people moved and wanted to stay for as long as they want without, what they thought, were draconian laws by people not of their tribe/culture. Its why millions of Hindus along with Muslims were deemed stateless in Assam and an associated uproar as a result. The CAB is essentially stating this: Muslims are not welcome in India and the ones in India are hated and should leave and worse India will Potentially Detain You if You cannot show You are who India wants You to be - anything but Muslim. The reason CAB is xenophobic, bigoted, fascist in the context of Anti-Muslim hatred, is because his argument breaks down in the context of Myanmar. A. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, the BJP/Modi would have had to include Myanmar, because the bill is an extension of the Citizens Act, so it must apply to all countries from which people could possibly come and become citizens and reside in India. Myanmar must be included in that, because it shares a physical border with India and the first external country a nation should enact Citizenship against or in the context of, is a bordering Country! That just Citizenship 101. B. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, then the list would have included All Religious minorities that are persecuted period, the secular principles enshrined in the Indian Constitution would be obeyed and India would pass the test of being Secular and Democratic. But the BJP/Modi, named the religions that are persecuted and if they had mentioned, specifically, Myanmar then the persecuted minorities would necessarily have included Rohingya Muslims (who are a, clearly, persecuted minority in Myanmar). There are 40,000 Rohingya in India at the moment, where the BJP government are being taken to the supreme court, because the BJP want to return them, in clear violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which India is a signatory to and therefore is obliged to protect those fleeing death and persecution, which every UN report has shown, is the case for the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. C. The arbitrary choice of including Afghanistan over Myanmar is deeply disturbing. The claim is that Afghanistan is a security risk, due to Terrorism from there, via Pakistan. This is flawed logic for two primary reasons: 1. India shares porous borders with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar that are not or cannot be secured. So including Afghanistan seems to be the case because its a Muslim country and has a minority set that includes Hindu's, specifically, otherwise why choose it over, say Burkina Faso, Syria, Iraq (where Christians and other minority faiths) are persecuted? 2. If threats can arrive to India via Afghanistan, then why not Myanmar? India should be secured against Myanmar too - its virtually unmanned and unregulated. Terrorism and other threats could easily flow from there into India. So the excuse of national security risks does not hold, because if security threats can and do arrive from Pakistan, which is more secure than Myanmar, then it only stands to reason and logic that Myanmar being porous and less secure*, will necessarily make it a ripe target from which National Security Threats to India would come from. But the BJP/Modi cannot include Myanmar because then it throws out the humanitarian grounds of *minorities - see reasons outlined in A and B above. D. The clearest example of the inhumanity of the CAB is what it will do with the Muslims of Assam and then potentially the rest of India - if what Amit Shah says is true that CAB and NRC should be rolled out to all of India. The bill is clearly stating that the BJP/Modi hates Muslims so much that the bill will give a get out clause to everyone in Assam except the Muslims, because they (the Hindus, Sikh, etc,) will simply need to state they fled the neighboring countries due to Religious persecution and since CAB specifically lists them (as being persecuted minorities in those countries - which they are*) they will *all get a path to Citizenship in India and Muslims are left in no mans land, stateless without any representation and rights. If Bangladesh or other countries turn around and state they will not take in any individuals that cannot prove citizenship for their requisite countries... then what happens to the Muslims in India who fall into this category? That is the most scary thing. the *Muslims will have no protections under the Indian constitution because they have no citizenship*. I have looked at this from every angle and I cannot escape the clear reality that CAB is Anti-Muslim to the core and the fact that Myanmar is not included in the countries means the bill is not rooted in Humanity, its rooted in the hatred of Muslims, because every UN and NGO report has confirmed that there is a genocide going on there and most importantly it shares a border with India from which people can and will come in, including Terrorist and other Security threats. The Muslims in India have done nothing wrong if they make a personal and free choice under a constitutionally secular nation they should not be targeted with bigoted and hateful bills like CAB, that is plainly hating other human beings because of a personal choice to be Muslim or be born Muslim. The reaction to this bill will be a true test for India, because like the Germans who didn't believe in the Nazi ideology, but said and did nothing! In the face of hatred of Jews (because of bigoted and hateful propaganda describing Jews as a single group in hateful ways), in the face of that the German citizenry did nothing to protest and resist and as a result the Nazi's massacred and murdered in cold blood over 6 million innocent, unarmed, Jews who had wives, and children and parents and families and friends and pets and went to work and had a life they were leading, this is where the BJP/Modi is wanting to take the citizenry of India and if there isn't immediate outrage, protest and resistance to this bill, then it may be that the end result is like that of Germany - a people and nation that will forever be known and remembered as those that DID NOTHING to stop hate and murder, when they had the chance to do so. No one has explained what will happen with all the Muslims in India (mainly in rural areas and are poor and illiterate) who cannot show documents they are Indian. If the CAB and NRC are rolled out nationally then 200 million Muslims will feel threatened and no other sovereign country will give a stateless people a path to citizenship if they can't prove they have any documents linking them to India. So what is the solution? There will be massive civil unrest and potentially civil war, giving your enemies exactly what they wanted and it was all handed to them because of the short sighted and bigoted vision of the BJP/Modi. It must be resisted and that is a none Indian who is giving a clear warning of the consequences of CAB.
@@emilezola8546 Didn't you watched the debate? There he said with what motive immigrants came? Religion or financial? If religion you're welcomed if no then please go back.
lets apply the same logic in another case ,, Mr j sai deepak knows that two nation theory was propagated by V d savarkar ,,, i wonder what would his thoughts be for him ,,,, he wants to look this in the continuum of two nation theory ,,, why jsut two lets extend this principle to other communieeis two and why just on the basis of religion lets do it in the basis of caste too ,,, there is a strong reason why we must continues to disregard two nation theory or in the end we will divide this whole country in innumerable parts ,,, in today's world there are millions of hindus living in non hindu countries once these countries start behaving so discriminatorily agaisnt us then what will happen ,, its very easy for any govt to nominate a whole community as a threat ,,, its the same thing which britishers did by nominating a whole community as "criminals" during colonial times ,,
j sai deepak might be a good speaker and has vast knowledge in his field but he is definitely a communal bigot ,, and i knw this because i have seen his twitter ,,, i have stopped wathcing RS tv a long time back becuas eit has become a stooge of a ideology and nothing more
on the contrary none made sense, he first says ahmadiyas chose to go in pakistan, then so did the hindus who chose to stay back in pakistan. how does he give the hindus a chance to come in and say ahmadiyas will not be taken. so his whole point to prove minority prosecution is that only hindus face persecution. that makes no sense
secondly he says bengali hindus be distrubuted in other states so that indeginous people of NE stay happy. Then muslims who came who have been living there be thrown out? so you want to cater a particular community and stray the muslims. So this whole episode of giving citizenship on basis of persecution has lost its cause because your catering a community and persecuting the other.
@@sankalpc9492 Ahmeddiyas are a SECT of islam. Its not a religion. ISLAM discriminating within each other(casteism) is not our headache since all the 3 countries are Islamic theocratic state with Islam being state religion and "constitutionally" biased towards non-muslims
@@kaluah4376 my point was never that ahmediyas are a religion or not. It is question of giving citizenship to persecuted individuals,now how does one differentiate persecution on the basis of religion,sect,caste,creed,job etc. Because all persecuted must be allowed to apply for citizenship not religion wise. That my dear friend goes against our constitution. Our constitution does not recognise religion,caste,creed,work it says equality to all.
@@sankalpc9492 Looks like you haven't read our Constitution at all. Our constitution recognise caste, religion etc for OUR CITIZENS (article 15) not for Foreigners or Aliens. Constitution doesn't say anything about what filters the state will use to filter foreigners. The persecuted minorities from these 3 countries are accepted because they are persecuted not just by the government but by their constitution itself. This countries are Islamic Theocratic state, which by default is biased towards religions. India thus being a neighbour accepted these minorities. Read and learn more start with Laxmikanth, before talking like illiterates quoting random Constitution Articles and having no Idea what they are in reality.
@@tajinderkaur8492 I have instantly subscribed to this channel right after the video ended. Hoping to see some more discussions around different topics.
@@NaseeruDinJahangeer Haha because I find it funny that you were not able to follow his debate to counter his points but rather attack his speed of speech itself
I found him absolutely biased sans any valid argument. He emphasized on 2 nation theory,what has Afghanistan to do with that? He overlooked NRC which excludes illegal migrants ( but expect muslims) do get a back door entry via CAA. Infact,religion can never be a basis to define a citizen in secular India. Anyways,what is our population now? What about unemployment rate? What about farmers distress? Kaha bithao in lougo ko,abhi goud mein? India is not a charity home,we need to put our house in order,we are in recession,why should we take extra burden when our own people are in poverty and malnutrition? So,have some sense before throwing your shameless arguments.
I respect Sai Deepak sir for all the legal luminary he is, but when it comes to the issue related to religion, he is certainly biased. His Indic agenda makes his arguments so biased.
@@byabangad4609 n what z d reason of his being biased........ Can u please think of it on the basis of true facts........jus see what z going on international arena, what equations are around us, specially our neighbouring country....
Pakistan and Bangladesh can be excused for a moment, but what about Afghanistan? What is need of including it? Further Article 14 is applicable to all, irrespective of nationality. Now if they invoke 15 or 16, then they are strictly for citizens. Hence they cant be invoked. I guess Art 14’s “equal protection of law” part could be invoked here.
Not here to argue endlessly. I’m from Arunachal and I’m neither Muslim, nor Hindu nor Christian nor Buddhist. Just dig a little deeper and do the necessary background check of Sir Sai Deepak. Internet is powerful; you can do the fact checks yourself. My only point of disagreement with him is his biasses when it comes to the issue of religion. Otherwise, he is a first rate intellectual.
@Basavaraj C ohh my my. I love them. Even bring in Greeks if they exist. No probs whatsoever but sorry not those who burnt down 9millions books of nalanda.
Any truthful person would have grave reservations about Mr Deepak explained. The CAB was a political and global statement about the BJP and Mr Modi. The NRC was instituted under Secular principles, which is why in conjunction with the Muslims the Hindu's, who could not prove their citizenship, in Asaam were both deemed stateless - that's fair, because its completely secular and therefore applies to all who cannot show they are a citizen of India. A secular, democratic constitution is that which, at its root, enshrines personal freedoms for everyone!*. The cleanest and most effective *test of Secularism under the principles of Freedom to Choose is Religion! Religion is the most personal and spiritual aspect any individual should be absolutely free to make. That's Secularism and that was the test of the NRC in Asaam. The NRC failed precisely because there was uproar in the North Eastern provinces due to the reality of people being linked by Tribe and Religion rather than a National Border, people living on both sides of the border (of the same ethnicity, race, religion, culture, tribe and families) did not want to have an identity card and everyone be checked all the time to see which side of a National Border they belonged, etc. and also families and people moved and wanted to stay for as long as they want without, what they thought, were draconian laws by people not of their tribe/culture. Its why millions of Hindus along with Muslims were deemed stateless in Assam and an associated uproar as a result. The CAB is essentially stating this: Muslims are not welcome in India and the ones in India are hated and should leave and worse India will Potentially Detain You if You cannot show You are who India wants You to be - anything but Muslim. The reason CAB is xenophobic, bigoted, fascist in the context of Anti-Muslim hatred, is because his argument breaks down in the context of Myanmar. A. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, the BJP/Modi would have had to include Myanmar, because the bill is an extension of the Citizens Act, so it must apply to all countries from which people could possibly come and become citizens and reside in India. Myanmar must be included in that, because it shares a physical border with India and the first external country a nation should enact Citizenship against or in the context of, is a bordering Country! That just Citizenship 101. B. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, then the list would have included All Religious minorities that are persecuted period, the secular principles enshrined in the Indian Constitution would be obeyed and India would pass the test of being Secular and Democratic. But the BJP/Modi, named the religions that are persecuted and if they had mentioned, specifically, Myanmar then the persecuted minorities would necessarily have included Rohingya Muslims (who are a, clearly, persecuted minority in Myanmar). There are 40,000 Rohingya in India at the moment, where the BJP government are being taken to the supreme court, because the BJP want to return them, in clear violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which India is a signatory to and therefore is obliged to protect those fleeing death and persecution, which every UN report has shown, is the case for the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar. C. The arbitrary choice of including Afghanistan over Myanmar is deeply disturbing. The claim is that Afghanistan is a security risk, due to Terrorism from there, via Pakistan. This is flawed logic for two primary reasons: 1. India shares porous borders with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar that are not or cannot be secured. So including Afghanistan seems to be the case because its a Muslim country and has a minority set that includes Hindu's, specifically, otherwise why choose it over, say Burkina Faso, Syria, Iraq (where Christians and other minority faiths) are persecuted? 2. If threats can arrive to India via Afghanistan, then why not Myanmar? India should be secured against Myanmar too - its virtually unmanned and unregulated. Terrorism and other threats could easily flow from there into India. So the excuse of national security risks does not hold, because if security threats can and do arrive from Pakistan, which is more secure than Myanmar, then it only stands to reason and logic that Myanmar being porous and less secure*, will necessarily make it a ripe target from which National Security Threats to India would come from. But the BJP/Modi cannot include Myanmar because then it throws out the humanitarian grounds of *minorities - see reasons outlined in A and B above. D. The clearest example of the inhumanity of the CAB is what it will do with the Muslims of Assam and then potentially the rest of India - if what Amit Shah says is true that CAB and NRC should be rolled out to all of India. The bill is clearly stating that the BJP/Modi hates Muslims so much that the bill will give a get out clause to everyone in Assam except the Muslims, because they (the Hindus, Sikh, etc,) will simply need to state they fled the neighboring countries due to Religious persecution and since CAB specifically lists them (as being persecuted minorities in those countries - which they are*) they will *all get a path to Citizenship in India and Muslims are left in no mans land, stateless without any representation and rights. If Bangladesh or other countries turn around and state they will not take in any individuals that cannot prove citizenship for their requisite countries... then what happens to the Muslims in India who fall into this category? That is the most scary thing. the *Muslims will have no protections under the Indian constitution because they have no citizenship*. I have looked at this from every angle and I cannot escape the clear reality that CAB is Anti-Muslim to the core and the fact that Myanmar is not included in the countries means the bill is not rooted in Humanity, its rooted in the hatred of Muslims, because every UN and NGO report has confirmed that there is a genocide going on there and most importantly it shares a border with India from which people can and will come in, including Terrorist and other Security threats. The Muslims in India have done nothing wrong if they make a personal and free choice under a constitutionally secular nation they should not be targeted with bigoted and hateful bills like CAB, that is plainly hating other human beings because of a personal choice to be Muslim or be born Muslim. The reaction to this bill will be a true test for India, because like the Germans who didn't believe in the Nazi ideology, but said and did nothing! In the face of hatred of Jews (because of bigoted and hateful propaganda describing Jews as a single group in hateful ways), in the face of that the German citizenry did nothing to protest and resist and as a result the Nazi's massacred and murdered in cold blood over 6 MILLION INNOCENT, UNARMED, JEWS who had wives, and children and parents and families and friends and pets and went to work and had a life they were leading, this is where the BJP/Modi is wanting to take the citizenry of India and if there isn't immediate outrage, protest and resistance to this bill, then it may be that the end result is like that of Germany - a people and nation that will forever be known and remembered as those that DID NOTHING to stop hate and murder, when they had the chance to do so. If there is no protest and resistance to this bill then the people of India have spoken and their silence will be a conscious choice to let hate spread to the core of what it is to be an Indian Nation with all the colors under the sun. Its an indefensible bill period.
@@ruskinbond7617 because those minority are left to rape and genocide by a religion based country like islamic republic of bangladesh and islamic republic of pakistan
Ruskin Bond we have reservations in our country for religious minorities. So we do have laws based on religion but that is to protect them. We earlier were trying to protect the minority of our state but now we have also resorted for the protection of minorities in other states as well
@abhay rajput of course religion is important but in India all religions are important. India is not a country only for Hindus. When you travel down south to Kerala you will a lot of the population is Muslim, Mizoram, Nagaland and Goa have Christians in majority, Punjab has as many Sikhs as Hindus and J &K have a lot of Muslim population as well. So if secularism was not there amongst the people, being a part of the same country would not have been possible. Although the word secularism came later on, the constitution never promoted anyone religion
@john doe this is what is deeply problematic and there lies the bone of contention...expecting each and everyone to subscribe to your school of thought.. and if someone doesn't ridicule him by calling him a brainless fanboy.... you may try to masquerade as someone very 'cool' by ridiculing idol worshippers but the fact is either your brain doesn't have the ability to register the esotericism which lies behind idol worship or you lack the scholarship of our scriptures....Dont let your ignorance transpire from your comments
Advocate J. Sai Deepak is a logical and analytical communicator with a mind boggling diction. His historical approach in a debate is commendable as it is full of facts and counter arguments
May be..but its good step..atleast here we have a govt less accountable to foreign more reactive on domestic issues. btw im amazed to see that gentlmen speak too infornt of camera..rare nowadays.
for example , An indian muslim was not able to produce required documents before NRC Assam, So he is an illegal citizen, Now If a Hindu Bengali comes He will be received on the grounds of Religion
There are atleast 5 crores illegal bangladeshi muslim immigrants who have spread all over India. This is the biggest risk perception that can change demographic balances in certain states, particularly West Bengal and Jammu/kashmir. Non Muslim immigrants are less than 10 lacs. Rohingyas have also become a nuisance that is now being fixed
@@ThirdEye0077 hey many illegal bangladeshi.s muslims has got nrc in assam by forgery and fraud.... just learn about the population of muslims in assam...specially bangladeshi muslims
@@ThirdEye0077 in 1971 nearly 1.5 crore Illegal bangladeshi muslim immigrants flooded into Assam. The NRC initial count of 45 lacs, was reduced to 19 lacs illegals. What about the balance of 1.31 crores 😱😱😱
First time in years of watching this show, I see an actual discussion. Honestly all that I have watched till now on this show were 'What is the view of random people on a topic'. This was good.
27:04 - Is it a joke? Bangladesh regime accommodative to other communities? Really? Look at the minority decline numbers since 1971 till 2019 and then discuss. Bangladesh may be somewhat less aggressive than Pakistan, but no way accommodative.
@ sir... Actually this persecution is quoted by giving the reference of partition. So we don't have such connect with Myanmar. It's not a party in partition. And if commenting like Malaysia, Indonesia, bangladesh, and many other are not accepting them..... 👍👍
@ okay🙂 Can be clearly seen how your brain and arguments works on the basic assumption of 'BJP and Modi are anti-muslims' and that all this is a 'conspiracy'. Thus, arguing with you, even with facts is pure waste of time. Let the court decide shall we?☺️ Unless you have a doubt on the Indian courts too🙄
@ I don't know why Bharat should open it's doors to Muslims outside of Bharat? Bharat is Hindu. That's a fact. So, first preference is for Hindus of these countries. Simple. And so, foreign civilizational enemies will not be accepted. because accepting those who think non believers are the worst of creatures is just unjustifiable. 🙂
for example , An indian muslim was not able to produce required documents before NRC Assam, So he is an illegal citizen, Now If a Hindu Bengali comes He will be received on the grounds of Religion
@@mmanoj1671 You need to do a 3 month recourse on the same video to get the point. Ctrl+Alt+Delete NDTV falsehood and then watch and comprehend the debate...
@@hondaxyz UPSC people prefer this channel so that they get just facts and truth. It is not the case that only UPSC aspirants see Doordarshan news channels.
This discussion left a clear picture in our minds..esp by deepak sir...no one should tag him a rightist speaker ..he is an advocate who sticks to the truth!!!
Sai deepak sir. We have no word's to express a gratitude to you. All the air has been clearly wiped off. Though I am watching on normal speed, it's becoming difficult to articulate each & every word. You are gem 💎 sir. Respect earned to next level. Thank you
CONCLUSION: "National Security is of utmost importance because only a secure nation can uphold its constitutional & moral values for eg. secularism, human rights, the welfare of people, protecting the indigenous identity and other things" J Sai Deepak + Frank = a must-watch show. Looking forward for more wider and extensive debate on this topic. Thanks, RSTV _/\_
Ali Hanif it didn't fail, you got to have security inputs on communities you want to give citizenship. and not only Indian security agencies but bangladesh security agencies have also said that Al Qaeda has penetrated into rohingya community.
@ The issue of Rohingyas was dealt with in this debate by Deepak.. they are a security threat and we don't want to help anyone at the cost of our own security! Them being native to Bangladesh ( a de facto Islamic theocracy) is another reason we need not take them.. Everything about the bill made sense to me ... Except for why the ahmadiyas and Sufis were not included ( bringing the issue of two nation theory isn't a good argument in my opinion. When there is human rights violation ,you can't simply say "you asked for it and now you reap what you sow !" That isn't a good argument!) and As your second point says..the act's repercussions on Indian Muslims who don't have the necessary documents to prove their citizenship is a matter of concern even for me! I don't understand why that was not discussed!
Yes n so does the makers of the constitution, to even hAve article 14 included in the constitution when the partition happened in the name of religion, then why the hell we have to have that stupid Big heart to even tolerate article 14
for years i was watching NDTV and other BS debates this episode is soo purely totally a must see for the youth.specially who are intrested in current affairs..exams...etc.. very informative. without politician BS. unbiased... no idiotic commecial bs ads. unlike tv channels
@@one-bm6lz That will be interesting to watch. But I believe J Sai will make him understand. Apart from knowledge of Indian Constitution and law, J Sai has knowledge of Indian History and culture which is main plus point of him.
Since year i have been listing this channel , the point which given by j .sai deepak sir is very very impresive . Sir clears many things together point by point. Sai deepak sir ....thank for everything
I guess that would be because they want to listen to speakers and not shouters on those stupid private channels.. lol. Glad more people are getting onto rajya sabha tv and dd news.
No jobs, no onions, no water , Pm says population has to be controlled... Now here we are embracing additional burden on our already scarce resources. Is this bjp's irony or hypocrisy ???
N I think you did not watch the programme well enough. Few Points: 1) The people we are talking about in CAB are already living in parts of India, so already consuming resources. 2) The cut off date is 2014, which means people who came after 2014 will not be considered under this Bill. 3) Most importantly you are forgetting that we are talking about people who are being persecuted because of their “religion”, that is their very identity. I hope you understand.
N no problem they are already residing in india so no new burden. And when rohingya aa rahe toh koi burden nahin ped raha tha kyon. Aur vipkash isliye halla nahi macha rahi ki unhone nagrikta kyon de j thi hain h chahe rahe hain ki isme muslim kyon nahi include hue taki unki vote bank kam na ho jaye. Hum govt ko poori tarah support karte hain unke is kadam pe. Iss desh se pahle hi do muslim desh ban chuke hain. We dont need more muslim. Forget about secularism if muslim became majority.
Gautam sen is concerned about what Bangladesh feel..,😀😀😀 he must feel about indigenous people n persecuted ones.....I think advisor like him is itself a threat.
I am a leftist and from West Bengal. I would literally do anything to ensure that illegal immigrants who come and steal our jobs are sent back to their native land. It is pretty easy to distinguish Bangladeshi dialect from my mother tongue. Send them back.🙏🏻 Our health system in the state is under collapse because of influx of patients who get free treatment citing illegal citizenship. This world isn’t all flowers and rainbows and if we have to choose someone we should prioritise our own community.
Have you people read about his contribution in NE regions. He is one of the best civil servants of this country. Please read before you speak. If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are against you.
Gautam sen should be asked why do nagaland has 88% christianity and it is the most baptist state in the whole world. Read about the persecution of indegenious people in Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur.
for example , An indian muslim was not able to produce required documents before NRC Assam, So he is an illegal citizen, Now If a Hindu Bengali comes He will be received on the grounds of Religion
@@mmanoj1671 Yes because the Bengal(east pakistan) was formed based on religion and and if you cannot prove your citizenship you cannot call yourselves 'Indian' Muslim you are just a muslim
rstv big picture has taken this show to the next level and thereby raising the bar for itself. Mr.J. Sai Deepak was just impeccable. Such a shrewd personalities on this show.Million thanks to rstv and mr pererira.
Now that #CABBill is passed: 1. Onions will be available at ₹30/kg. 2. Petrol will be available at ₹50/ltr. 3. Economy will come out of recession. 4. Everyone's job will be saved. 5. $1 = ₹40 Really refreshing to know.
@Sneha how stupid you r. This bill has no relation to what you are trying to convey. You are one of those who only think about your Stomach and not for the people who are prosecuted on the basis of there Religion.
Abhishek Kanse please argue in comment section after having sufficient knowledge, they are not doing this for minority protection if yes what about rohingyas.
This was probably the weakest outing of Mr J Sai Deepak. He seemed to be pushing his personal ideological narrative, and justifying it by hook or crook. The crux of his argument seemed,"The govt can do whatever it wants". This statement coming from a lawyer is deeply problematic. 1. On the question of extending the provisions of CAB to Shias, or Ahmadiyas, Sai effectively replied that their forefathers committed a blunder, and so let the present folk suffer. Is it rational to judge the present generation on the basis of the actions of their forefathers? This makes no sense. 2. What about his proposal to diversify the population of refugees across states, dude they are people, not Factors of production. Sai seems to think of this issue only from the viewpoint of religion. Religion is, but a part of any individual's identity. Not the sum and substance of his existence. I am disappointed. As a civilisational duty, he's justifying something unjustifiable. Does he want India to become theocratic? I don't know, but I can't rule it out. I am disappointed with the overall tone and tenor of the debate. The only positive being RSTV calling people with different viewpoints. Kudos.
@jyotirmoy NRC is meant for that. All these people are already living in India. CAB gives citizenship to some of them. NRC will send remaining illegal trespassers back.
@Rakesh Kumar Community? No one here asks citizenship for LTTE militants. Civilians who fled the country due to racial persecution. Also I do not blindly support granting citizenship to them. A debate on this point here in RSTv is something which I expected.
India was divided on the basis of religion. It's a FACT. After partition, non-Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh should automatically be considered eligible to get citizenship of India. It should be about giving justice to the victims of 2-Nation theory. As far as Ahmadiyyas are considered they are not victims of 2-Nation theory. Ahmadiyyas are living in Islamic country which they wanted. If they are now persecuted for not being Muslims enough, it should not be our concern. India is not a Dharamshala. There is also a very good security reason to limit CAB. Imagine if under garb of escaping persecution, a million or more closet jihadis come in & seek citizenship? We need to distinguish between secularism and stupidity. And if we don't learn from the past, we should stop reading about past.
@Mr. Meeseeks politicians duty is to work for the people but for that they should meet the people at least once every six months till five years personally and Compulsorily. If not then it's useless of conducting elections
As a Bangladeshi Bengali Hindu (Bangaal) it gives me immense pain to hear Mr Sen's points. That is the whole point of bringing BJP into power. We want to solve the ethnic and civilizational problems of India.
worst part is despite him being a BH hindu himself, he is clearly discounting what generations of bengali hindus know, specially the ones who had to leave their land . people like sen are the harbinger of certain generational misery and death of entire civilizations and communities.
they can't think beyond political parties
@@avi4606 exactly
True, I am a Bengali Hindu from Tripura.
Saideepak sir is beyond UPSC syllabus 😂
He is beside religion
RAVINDAR CHOUHAN 😝😝🤣
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True 😂😂
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I have a lot of respect for Sai Deepak he explains everything perfectly.
Seriously i think this is the only sensible discussion i have seen in years .. we need more discussions like this
Just start watching more of RSTV and less of everything else. I've been following this channel since 2015.
yeah..and unfortunately all the other news channels are on race to divide people ☹️
Hey Its RSTV.. they are best for debates and DD national best for reporting
this is called debates.. when real intellectuals sit.. not like so called intellectuals in other news channels.. who always fight !!
Loksabha and rajyabha TV are only two channels one should go to watch if they want a genuine news and discussion. Other news channels can only offer news based upon sensationalization; their hosts are specifically instructed to interrupt the discussion intermittently and make provocative comments just so they generate more TRPs. Even the participants are aware of this fact. Unfortunately, the same couldn't be said for the poor janta. We eat whenever is being fed to us without questioning anyone and anything.
It's like one of those wrestling matches where wrestlers are entertainer and performer first, then and only then, are there for fighting their opponents.
@@sirbumblefuck so very well said.
@@sirbumblefuck 4
@@dipin2 Can you count higher than that?
IAS kannan gopinathan is great intellect and true person.
Mr. J Sai. Deepak - Thank you for the clarification of the constitutional aspect in this matter (esp. Art 14). Also, please come to the show more often! Good show :)
Everyone is a intellectual untill SAI sir opens his mouth. ❤️
😂😂👍👍👍
Sai is younger than the other panelists but way much older and mature in his knowledge and its presentation. Hats off to Sai
Insholloh. Peaceful Arbic Religion.
How peaceful. Peace, piece by piece🔥🩸
Spreading in the world like inferno.
He is a Gem. CAA is good ♥️ .
Until we have people like J sai Deepak I have hope for our country
Really whenever i remember that people like Sai i feel very safe that our country will be safe
Hope for BJP actually....he tries to find some arguable logics and pronounce with utmost conviction....making us feel as if everything is fair..same with his logics for Sabarimala issue....his starting the debate..with the premise that "Two nations theory" is a arguable reality....people of India dont believe in it..those who believed in two nations idea are in Pakistan..some reluctantly stayed in India and finally killed Gandhi for not accepting the two nation theory...I want to live in Hindusthan not Hindu Pakistan...
@@cvvaibhav4706 what is hindu pakistan my friend
@@Azadpandit1008 sir..world identifies bloody pakistan by its religion..I don't want my India to be either remembered or identified by any religion..that what I meant by not being Hindu Pakistan..Thank you for responding
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Hinduism isn't a religion 😑.. There's no book for it like the other faiths/religions
So there's nothing wrong in acknowledging India as a 'Hindurashtra'
Also.. What are the 'arguable logics' you are talking about? Be specific atleast instead of making pointless comments
I would like to create an Fan club for sai deepak .Man of great analytics and he is an responsible person .
Agreee!!
I'll join 😁
Me 2
just create a facebook group! Many would like to join it.
What is guts?
Sai- I vociferously, vehemently n vigorously disagree with my co-panelists"👊
Meanwhile they to frank- dont invite us if this legend is in the panel😐
😂😂😂😂😂... But j.sai deepak is indeed best...👌
When I heard this...a big smile came on my Face😂...I was like ..
What's the hell now he is going to say now 😓😨
@@sanjana329
What does the right wing agree?
@@kvamani9796 same here and heard it 2-3 times just to enjoy ;-P
@@amitr1008 yeah me too😂
Sai Deepak Sir's conclusion and emphasis on facts at the end is a sound argument.
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Sai Deepak showed the sincere and good decision on CAB and also show that what is the mind that Supreme court never give a unfair decision.
find someone in life that looks at you the way frank looks at sai deepak
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Persons apart from Law background including news reporters have zero knowledge about law
Sai is awesome
He is a journalist not reporter
They talked like civilized people having conversation with arguments and counter argument
The NRC was instituted under Secular principles, which is why in conjunction with the Muslims the Hindu's, who could not prove their citizenship, in Asaam were both deemed stateless - that's fair, because its completely secular and therefore applies to all who cannot show they are a citizen of India. A secular, democratic constitution is that which, at its root, enshrines personal freedoms for everyone!*. The cleanest and most effective *test of Secularism under the principles of Freedom to Choose is Religion! Religion is the most personal and spiritual aspect any individual should be absolutely free to make. That's Secularism and that was the test of the NRC in Asaam.
The NRC failed precisely because there was uproar in the North Eastern provinces due to the reality of people being linked by Tribe and Religion rather than a National Border, people living on both sides of the border (of the same ethnicity, race, religion, culture, tribe and families) did not want to have an identity card and everyone be checked all the time to see which side of a National Border they belonged, etc. and also families and people moved and wanted to stay for as long as they want without, what they thought, were draconian laws by people not of their tribe/culture. Its why millions of Hindus along with Muslims were deemed stateless in Assam and an associated uproar as a result.
The CAB is essentially stating this: Muslims are not welcome in India and the ones in India are hated and should leave and worse India will Potentially Detain You if You cannot show You are who India wants You to be - anything but Muslim. The reason CAB is xenophobic, bigoted, fascist in the context of Anti-Muslim hatred, is because his argument breaks down in the context of Myanmar.
A. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, the BJP/Modi would have had to include Myanmar, because the bill is an extension of the Citizens Act, so it must apply to all countries from which people could possibly come and become citizens and reside in India. Myanmar must be included in that, because it shares a physical border with India and the first external country a nation should enact Citizenship against or in the context of, is a bordering Country! That just Citizenship 101.
B. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, then the list would have included All Religious minorities that are persecuted period, the secular principles enshrined in the Indian Constitution would be obeyed and India would pass the test of being Secular and Democratic. But the BJP/Modi, named the religions that are persecuted and if they had mentioned, specifically, Myanmar then the persecuted minorities would necessarily have included Rohingya Muslims (who are a, clearly, persecuted minority in Myanmar). There are 40,000 Rohingya in India at the moment, where the BJP government are being taken to the supreme court, because the BJP want to return them, in clear violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which India is a signatory to and therefore is obliged to protect those fleeing death and persecution, which every UN report has shown, is the case for the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar.
C. The arbitrary choice of including Afghanistan over Myanmar is deeply disturbing. The claim is that Afghanistan is a security risk, due to Terrorism from there, via Pakistan. This is flawed logic for two primary reasons:
1. India shares porous borders with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar that are not or cannot be secured. So including Afghanistan seems to be the case because its a Muslim country and has a minority set that includes Hindu's, specifically, otherwise why choose it over, say Burkina Faso, Syria, Iraq (where Christians and other minority faiths) are persecuted?
2. If threats can arrive to India via Afghanistan, then why not Myanmar? India should be secured against Myanmar too - its virtually unmanned and unregulated. Terrorism and other threats could easily flow from there into India. So the excuse of national security risks does not hold, because if security threats can and do arrive from Pakistan, which is more secure than Myanmar, then it only stands to reason and logic that Myanmar being porous and less secure*, will necessarily make it a ripe target from which National Security Threats to India would come from. But the BJP/Modi cannot include Myanmar because then it throws out the humanitarian grounds of *minorities - see reasons outlined in A and B above.
D. The clearest example of the inhumanity of the CAB is what it will do with the Muslims of Assam and then potentially the rest of India - if what Amit Shah says is true that CAB and NRC should be rolled out to all of India. The bill is clearly stating that the BJP/Modi hates Muslims so much that the bill will give a get out clause to everyone in Assam except the Muslims, because they (the Hindus, Sikh, etc,) will simply need to state they fled the neighboring countries due to Religious persecution and since CAB specifically lists them (as being persecuted minorities in those countries - which they are*) they will *all get a path to Citizenship in India and Muslims are left in no mans land, stateless without any representation and rights.
If Bangladesh or other countries turn around and state they will not take in any individuals that cannot prove citizenship for their requisite countries... then what happens to the Muslims in India who fall into this category? That is the most scary thing. the *Muslims will have no protections under the Indian constitution because they have no citizenship*.
I have looked at this from every angle and I cannot escape the clear reality that CAB is Anti-Muslim to the core and the fact that Myanmar is not included in the countries means the bill is not rooted in Humanity, its rooted in the hatred of Muslims, because every UN and NGO report has confirmed that there is a genocide going on there and most importantly it shares a border with India from which people can and will come in, including Terrorist and other Security threats.
The Muslims in India have done nothing wrong if they make a personal and free choice under a constitutionally secular nation they should not be targeted with bigoted and hateful bills like CAB, that is plainly hating other human beings because of a personal choice to be Muslim or be born Muslim. The reaction to this bill will be a true test for India, because like the Germans who didn't believe in the Nazi ideology, but said and did nothing! In the face of hatred of Jews (because of bigoted and hateful propaganda describing Jews as a single group in hateful ways), in the face of that the German citizenry did nothing to protest and resist and as a result the Nazi's massacred and murdered in cold blood over 6 million innocent, unarmed, Jews who had wives, and children and parents and families and friends and pets and went to work and had a life they were leading, this is where the BJP/Modi is wanting to take the citizenry of India and if there isn't immediate outrage, protest and resistance to this bill, then it may be that the end result is like that of Germany - a people and nation that will forever be known and remembered as those that DID NOTHING to stop hate and murder, when they had the chance to do so.
No one has explained what will happen with all the Muslims in India (mainly in rural areas and are poor and illiterate) who cannot show documents they are Indian. If the CAB and NRC are rolled out nationally then 200 million Muslims will feel threatened and no other sovereign country will give a stateless people a path to citizenship if they can't prove they have any documents linking them to India. So what is the solution? There will be massive civil unrest and potentially civil war, giving your enemies exactly what they wanted and it was all handed to them because of the short sighted and bigoted vision of the BJP/Modi. It must be resisted and that is a none Indian who is giving a clear warning of the consequences of CAB.
Aajtak hallo bol debate😂😂😂 seems like they will kill each other , illiterate people
@@emilezola8546 Didn't you watched the debate? There he said with what motive immigrants came? Religion or financial? If religion you're welcomed if no then please go back.
@@nay.m obviously he hasn't...he was busy sharing his assumptions and hypothesis.
@@emilezola8546 needs improvement.
Improve presentation.give holistic positive conclusion.
CAA is realistic action by NDA govt.
Such a refreshing debate. So civilized and to the point discussion.
Now u muslim know deeply that cAA is must in india
J sai LASER 🙏🙏🙏 not just DEEPAK. Intense, focused, clear and coherent. Not to speak 2.0x
6:35 This is the Answer to those who are crying for Ahmedias & Shias in Pakistan. 🙄
well said bro
From where, he is?
lets apply the same logic in another case ,, Mr j sai deepak knows that two nation theory was propagated by V d savarkar ,,, i wonder what would his thoughts be for him ,,,, he wants to look this in the continuum of two nation theory ,,, why jsut two lets extend this principle to other communieeis two and why just on the basis of religion lets do it in the basis of caste too ,,, there is a strong reason why we must continues to disregard two nation theory or in the end we will divide this whole country in innumerable parts ,,, in today's world there are millions of hindus living in non hindu countries once these countries start behaving so discriminatorily agaisnt us then what will happen ,,
its very easy for any govt to nominate a whole community as a threat ,,, its the same thing which britishers did by nominating a whole community as "criminals" during colonial times ,,
j sai deepak might be a good speaker and has vast knowledge in his field but he is definitely a communal bigot ,, and i knw this because i have seen his twitter ,,, i have stopped wathcing RS tv a long time back becuas eit has become a stooge of a ideology and nothing more
Thank God sai Deepak made a point when Hindu editor on panel so that they put some true points on paper
Sai Deepak is a rockstar! What a knowledgeable man!
Sai Deepak's arguements are very impressive and are very logical. Hope to see him on other panels on other channels.
on the contrary none made sense, he first says ahmadiyas chose to go in pakistan, then so did the hindus who chose to stay back in pakistan. how does he give the hindus a chance to come in and say ahmadiyas will not be taken. so his whole point to prove minority prosecution is that only hindus face persecution. that makes no sense
secondly he says bengali hindus be distrubuted in other states so that indeginous people of NE stay happy. Then muslims who came who have been living there be thrown out? so you want to cater a particular community and stray the muslims. So this whole episode of giving citizenship on basis of persecution has lost its cause because your catering a community and persecuting the other.
@@sankalpc9492 Ahmeddiyas are a SECT of islam. Its not a religion. ISLAM discriminating within each other(casteism) is not our headache since all the 3 countries are Islamic theocratic state with Islam being state religion and "constitutionally" biased towards non-muslims
@@kaluah4376 my point was never that ahmediyas are a religion or not. It is question of giving citizenship to persecuted individuals,now how does one differentiate persecution on the basis of religion,sect,caste,creed,job etc. Because all persecuted must be allowed to apply for citizenship not religion wise. That my dear friend goes against our constitution. Our constitution does not recognise religion,caste,creed,work it says equality to all.
@@sankalpc9492 Looks like you haven't read our Constitution at all. Our constitution recognise caste, religion etc for OUR CITIZENS (article 15) not for Foreigners or Aliens. Constitution doesn't say anything about what filters the state will use to filter foreigners. The persecuted minorities from these 3 countries are accepted because they are persecuted not just by the government but by their constitution itself. This countries are Islamic Theocratic state, which by default is biased towards religions. India thus being a neighbour accepted these minorities. Read and learn more start with Laxmikanth, before talking like illiterates quoting random Constitution Articles and having no Idea what they are in reality.
After a long time, I have seen such a sensible discussion happening on the News channel.
On this platform its always been like this. I have been watching for years. :)
@@tajinderkaur8492 I have instantly subscribed to this channel right after the video ended. Hoping to see some more discussions around different topics.
Although very late but good for you that you found this finally.
@@tajinderkaur8492 same here
@@ishanverma4944 you will never find any stupidity in this channel
J sai deepak sir is awesome...a real intellectual personality
Becoz he speaks fast?
@@NaseeruDinJahangeer no his points are really valid and he stick to the point no diversion from the ques ..
@@NaseeruDinJahangeer
Haha because I find it funny that you were not able to follow his debate to counter his points but rather attack his speed of speech itself
I found him absolutely biased sans any valid argument.
He emphasized on 2 nation theory,what has Afghanistan to do with that?
He overlooked NRC which excludes illegal migrants ( but expect muslims) do get a back door entry via CAA.
Infact,religion can never be a basis to define a citizen in secular India.
Anyways,what is our population now?
What about unemployment rate?
What about farmers distress?
Kaha bithao in lougo ko,abhi goud mein?
India is not a charity home,we need to put our house in order,we are in recession,why should we take extra burden when our own people are in poverty and malnutrition?
So,have some sense before throwing your shameless arguments.
Have a huge respect for J sai Deepak but today he seemed Biased
Facts given by Mr. Deepak are genuine and so true..... We can't ignore them
I respect Sai Deepak sir for all the legal luminary he is, but when it comes to the issue related to religion, he is certainly biased. His Indic agenda makes his arguments so biased.
@@byabangad4609 n what z d reason of his being biased........ Can u please think of it on the basis of true facts........jus see what z going on international arena, what equations are around us, specially our neighbouring country....
Pakistan and Bangladesh can be excused for a moment, but what about Afghanistan? What is need of including it?
Further Article 14 is applicable to all, irrespective of nationality. Now if they invoke 15 or 16, then they are strictly for citizens. Hence they cant be invoked.
I guess Art 14’s “equal protection of law” part could be invoked here.
Not here to argue endlessly. I’m from Arunachal and I’m neither Muslim, nor Hindu nor Christian nor Buddhist. Just dig a little deeper and do the necessary background check of Sir Sai Deepak. Internet is powerful; you can do the fact checks yourself. My only point of disagreement with him is his biasses when it comes to the issue of religion. Otherwise, he is a first rate intellectual.
@@byabangad4609 bt tht doesn't mk his arguements irrational, does it?? U bttr counter him with arguements
Sai deepak is an absolute legend. I try and watch all of the debates that he's part of.
@balu049 so? every hindu should be a pro-hindu activist.Enough of shithousery of secularism
@balu049 yes I came to know after sabrimala Ayodhya and CAB debates....and his Twitter
@Basavaraj C I only care for hindu civilization. I am communal. I just don't care for anything else.
@Basavaraj C ohh my my. I love them. Even bring in Greeks if they exist. No probs whatsoever but sorry not those who burnt down 9millions books of nalanda.
ashok singh he is Modi Bhakt
Very good debate on Rajya Sabha TV. Much better than shouting and screaming on other channels.
Any truthful person would have grave reservations about Mr Deepak explained. The CAB was a political and global statement about the BJP and Mr Modi. The NRC was instituted under Secular principles, which is why in conjunction with the Muslims the Hindu's, who could not prove their citizenship, in Asaam were both deemed stateless - that's fair, because its completely secular and therefore applies to all who cannot show they are a citizen of India. A secular, democratic constitution is that which, at its root, enshrines personal freedoms for everyone!*. The cleanest and most effective *test of Secularism under the principles of Freedom to Choose is Religion! Religion is the most personal and spiritual aspect any individual should be absolutely free to make. That's Secularism and that was the test of the NRC in Asaam.
The NRC failed precisely because there was uproar in the North Eastern provinces due to the reality of people being linked by Tribe and Religion rather than a National Border, people living on both sides of the border (of the same ethnicity, race, religion, culture, tribe and families) did not want to have an identity card and everyone be checked all the time to see which side of a National Border they belonged, etc. and also families and people moved and wanted to stay for as long as they want without, what they thought, were draconian laws by people not of their tribe/culture. Its why millions of Hindus along with Muslims were deemed stateless in Assam and an associated uproar as a result.
The CAB is essentially stating this: Muslims are not welcome in India and the ones in India are hated and should leave and worse India will Potentially Detain You if You cannot show You are who India wants You to be - anything but Muslim. The reason CAB is xenophobic, bigoted, fascist in the context of Anti-Muslim hatred, is because his argument breaks down in the context of Myanmar.
A. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, the BJP/Modi would have had to include Myanmar, because the bill is an extension of the Citizens Act, so it must apply to all countries from which people could possibly come and become citizens and reside in India. Myanmar must be included in that, because it shares a physical border with India and the first external country a nation should enact Citizenship against or in the context of, is a bordering Country! That just Citizenship 101.
B. If this was not about Islam and Muslims, then the list would have included All Religious minorities that are persecuted period, the secular principles enshrined in the Indian Constitution would be obeyed and India would pass the test of being Secular and Democratic. But the BJP/Modi, named the religions that are persecuted and if they had mentioned, specifically, Myanmar then the persecuted minorities would necessarily have included Rohingya Muslims (who are a, clearly, persecuted minority in Myanmar). There are 40,000 Rohingya in India at the moment, where the BJP government are being taken to the supreme court, because the BJP want to return them, in clear violation of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which India is a signatory to and therefore is obliged to protect those fleeing death and persecution, which every UN report has shown, is the case for the Rohingya Muslims in Myanmar.
C. The arbitrary choice of including Afghanistan over Myanmar is deeply disturbing. The claim is that Afghanistan is a security risk, due to Terrorism from there, via Pakistan. This is flawed logic for two primary reasons:
1. India shares porous borders with Pakistan, Bangladesh, Myanmar that are not or cannot be secured. So including Afghanistan seems to be the case because its a Muslim country and has a minority set that includes Hindu's, specifically, otherwise why choose it over, say Burkina Faso, Syria, Iraq (where Christians and other minority faiths) are persecuted?
2. If threats can arrive to India via Afghanistan, then why not Myanmar? India should be secured against Myanmar too - its virtually unmanned and unregulated. Terrorism and other threats could easily flow from there into India. So the excuse of national security risks does not hold, because if security threats can and do arrive from Pakistan, which is more secure than Myanmar, then it only stands to reason and logic that Myanmar being porous and less secure*, will necessarily make it a ripe target from which National Security Threats to India would come from. But the BJP/Modi cannot include Myanmar because then it throws out the humanitarian grounds of *minorities - see reasons outlined in A and B above.
D. The clearest example of the inhumanity of the CAB is what it will do with the Muslims of Assam and then potentially the rest of India - if what Amit Shah says is true that CAB and NRC should be rolled out to all of India. The bill is clearly stating that the BJP/Modi hates Muslims so much that the bill will give a get out clause to everyone in Assam except the Muslims, because they (the Hindus, Sikh, etc,) will simply need to state they fled the neighboring countries due to Religious persecution and since CAB specifically lists them (as being persecuted minorities in those countries - which they are*) they will *all get a path to Citizenship in India and Muslims are left in no mans land, stateless without any representation and rights.
If Bangladesh or other countries turn around and state they will not take in any individuals that cannot prove citizenship for their requisite countries... then what happens to the Muslims in India who fall into this category? That is the most scary thing. the *Muslims will have no protections under the Indian constitution because they have no citizenship*.
I have looked at this from every angle and I cannot escape the clear reality that CAB is Anti-Muslim to the core and the fact that Myanmar is not included in the countries means the bill is not rooted in Humanity, its rooted in the hatred of Muslims, because every UN and NGO report has confirmed that there is a genocide going on there and most importantly it shares a border with India from which people can and will come in, including Terrorist and other Security threats.
The Muslims in India have done nothing wrong if they make a personal and free choice under a constitutionally secular nation they should not be targeted with bigoted and hateful bills like CAB, that is plainly hating other human beings because of a personal choice to be Muslim or be born Muslim. The reaction to this bill will be a true test for India, because like the Germans who didn't believe in the Nazi ideology, but said and did nothing! In the face of hatred of Jews (because of bigoted and hateful propaganda describing Jews as a single group in hateful ways), in the face of that the German citizenry did nothing to protest and resist and as a result the Nazi's massacred and murdered in cold blood over 6 MILLION INNOCENT, UNARMED, JEWS who had wives, and children and parents and families and friends and pets and went to work and had a life they were leading, this is where the BJP/Modi is wanting to take the citizenry of India and if there isn't immediate outrage, protest and resistance to this bill, then it may be that the end result is like that of Germany - a people and nation that will forever be known and remembered as those that DID NOTHING to stop hate and murder, when they had the chance to do so.
If there is no protest and resistance to this bill then the people of India have spoken and their silence will be a conscious choice to let hate spread to the core of what it is to be an Indian Nation with all the colors under the sun. Its an indefensible bill period.
Then why do you have religion specific laws defeating secular constitution? Who are you fooling you bigot?
@@ruskinbond7617 because those minority are left to rape and genocide by a religion based country like islamic republic of bangladesh and islamic republic of pakistan
Ruskin Bond we have reservations in our country for religious minorities. So we do have laws based on religion but that is to protect them. We earlier were trying to protect the minority of our state but now we have also resorted for the protection of minorities in other states as well
@abhay rajput of course religion is important but in India all religions are important. India is not a country only for Hindus. When you travel down south to Kerala you will a lot of the population is Muslim, Mizoram, Nagaland and Goa have Christians in majority, Punjab has as many Sikhs as Hindus and J &K have a lot of Muslim population as well. So if secularism was not there amongst the people, being a part of the same country would not have been possible. Although the word secularism came later on, the constitution never promoted anyone religion
Sai Deepak is blessed by Ayyappa.very powerful.
Exactly...🙏
Swamy sharanam 🙏
@john doe Oooo followers of paedophile got angry??
@john doe You rosary people, it's better if you stop talking about idol worship. You are a cult of genocidal maniacs arguing for religious supremacy.
@john doe this is what is deeply problematic and there lies the bone of contention...expecting each and everyone to subscribe to your school of thought.. and if someone doesn't ridicule him by calling him a brainless fanboy.... you may try to masquerade as someone very 'cool' by ridiculing idol worshippers but the fact is either your brain doesn't have the ability to register the esotericism which lies behind idol worship or you lack the scholarship of our scriptures....Dont let your ignorance transpire from your comments
Bangladesh is friendly this is the misconception needs to be busted.
True very true
No there own identity is problem for india
J. Sai Deepak sir nailed it!!!!! 22.18
Other Pentalist - kya bezzati hai yar.
Advocate J. Sai Deepak is a logical and analytical communicator with a mind boggling diction. His historical approach in a debate is commendable as it is full of facts and counter arguments
Amit Shah might have took help of J Sai Deepak before introducing bill !!!!
Haha...the same way i thought
May be..but its good step..atleast here we have a govt less accountable to foreign more reactive on domestic issues.
btw im amazed to see that gentlmen speak too infornt of camera..rare nowadays.
for example , An indian muslim was not able to produce required documents before NRC Assam, So he is an illegal citizen, Now If a Hindu Bengali comes He will be received on the grounds of Religion
I think more than J Sai Deepak sir, they have taken help from Mr Harish Salve.
@@mmanoj1671 and how is that bad?
There are atleast 5 crores illegal bangladeshi muslim immigrants who have spread all over India. This is the biggest risk perception that can change demographic balances in certain states, particularly West Bengal and Jammu/kashmir. Non Muslim immigrants are less than 10 lacs. Rohingyas have also become a nuisance that is now being fixed
What is the result of NRC in Assam moron
@@ThirdEye0077 hey many illegal bangladeshi.s muslims has got nrc in assam by forgery and fraud.... just learn about the population of muslims in assam...specially bangladeshi muslims
Illegal is Illegal..be it Hindu or Muslim or any other religion. India must not take responsibility for that.
WhatsApp University Graduate? Lol
@@ThirdEye0077 in 1971 nearly 1.5 crore Illegal bangladeshi muslim immigrants flooded into Assam. The NRC initial count of 45 lacs, was reduced to 19 lacs illegals. What about the balance of 1.31 crores 😱😱😱
Aah! Finally, my search for UPSC related content on this issue is over.
First time in years of watching this show, I see an actual discussion. Honestly all that I have watched till now on this show were 'What is the view of random people on a topic'. This was good.
Going to watch it again!
27:04 - Is it a joke? Bangladesh regime accommodative to other communities? Really? Look at the minority decline numbers since 1971 till 2019 and then discuss. Bangladesh may be somewhat less aggressive than Pakistan, but no way accommodative.
That rare thing called clarity !at last I found it here.
Deepak.. 🔥
I like the way he says "however" 😀
@ sir... Actually this persecution is quoted by giving the reference of partition.
So we don't have such connect with Myanmar. It's not a party in partition. And if commenting like Malaysia, Indonesia, bangladesh, and many other are not accepting them..... 👍👍
@ okay🙂 Can be clearly seen how your brain and arguments works on the basic assumption of 'BJP and Modi are anti-muslims' and that all this is a 'conspiracy'. Thus, arguing with you, even with facts is pure waste of time.
Let the court decide shall we?☺️ Unless you have a doubt on the Indian courts too🙄
@ I don't know why Bharat should open it's doors to Muslims outside of Bharat? Bharat is Hindu. That's a fact. So, first preference is for Hindus of these countries. Simple. And so, foreign civilizational enemies will not be accepted. because accepting those who think non believers are the worst of creatures is just unjustifiable. 🙂
Deepak sir explained very well and holistically.👍
for example , An indian muslim was not able to produce required documents before NRC Assam, So he is an illegal citizen, Now If a Hindu Bengali comes He will be received on the grounds of Religion
@@mmanoj1671
You need to do a 3 month recourse on the same video to get the point. Ctrl+Alt+Delete NDTV falsehood and then watch and comprehend the debate...
Sai always makes thing easy when it comes to understanding of constitution specially. Thanks Sai
Sai Deepak...Hatsoff 👊🏻👊🏻
why we are not having this kind of debate in our traditional news channel?
they work for trp and money
This is our traditional news Channel.
bcz The others are Doing that for TRP..
this is a traditional news channel but only for UPSC aspirants.
@@hondaxyz UPSC people prefer this channel so that they get just facts and truth. It is not the case that only UPSC aspirants see Doordarshan news channels.
This discussion left a clear picture in our minds..esp by deepak sir...no one should tag him a rightist speaker ..he is an advocate who sticks to the truth!!!
Make J Sai Deepak Chief Justice of India. What a man!
Sai deepak sir. We have no word's to express a gratitude to you. All the air has been clearly wiped off. Though I am watching on normal speed, it's becoming difficult to articulate each & every word. You are gem 💎 sir. Respect earned to next level. Thank you
Absolutely fantastic Mr. Sai Deepak.
More debates like this. We need a prolonged conversation between the people. Unlike the spontaneous protests whihc result in damage and loss of lives.
CONCLUSION: "National Security is of utmost importance because only a secure nation can uphold its constitutional & moral values for eg. secularism, human rights, the welfare of people, protecting the indigenous identity and other things"
J Sai Deepak + Frank = a must-watch show.
Looking forward for more wider and extensive debate on this topic.
Thanks, RSTV _/\_
Hahaha..moral values..what moral values does this bill uphold. What's the definition of the indigenous identity
Kartik Mahajan given you understand shite about indian politu and history, keep your tongue in your place.
Sai Deepak - you’re way of deliverance of information is admirable I follow your videos
How you follow his videos? Other available at any other channel?
@@harmonylearning4329 search Sai deepak on youtube, many videos are there
Time flies as you listen to Sai
Frank sir, you are an amazing host!
Best debate so far in this topic. Less panelists, sound panelists
Just want to thank this show for putting into light about the tripuris during the discussion.🙏🙏
Guys please listen sai Deepak on "why identity is important".
Vociferous,Vehement,Vigorous Sai Deepak👌👌👌
Its not "Non-muslim", its "Minorities" of neighbor countries.
Saptarshi Choudhur
It's not 'neighbour countries", it's "Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afghanistan"
Yes, minorities of those countries that are Muslim majority. Sounds much better.
@ Well said brother.
Ali Hanif Indonesia has brought a law where Sharia will be implemented on non muslims as well. do you have a word to say about that.
Ali Hanif it didn't fail, you got to have security inputs on communities you want to give citizenship. and not only Indian security agencies but bangladesh security agencies have also said that Al Qaeda has penetrated into rohingya community.
THERE ARE MANY BANGLADESHI MUSLIMS IN BENGALURU & MUMBAI
And bangladesh
And West Bengal. Don’t get me started about WB.
@@dokidoki719 THEN WHY DO U GUYS VOTE FOR CPI & TMC
IN 2021 VOTE FOR B.J.P
And there are people from proxima century b
I have some real issues about that
@@GTR-93 because people gets killed, their women raped and their houses burnt if they vote for BJP
JSD is a national treasure.
Sandeep Phukan Sir, you are right
Sai Deepak Sir is genius. I respect his thoughts
Why this people are not invited on national news TV.
Because they debate on the basis of facts and also they donot shout 😂
@
The issue of Rohingyas was dealt with in this debate by Deepak.. they are a security threat and we don't want to help anyone at the cost of our own security! Them being native to Bangladesh ( a de facto Islamic theocracy) is another reason we need not take them..
Everything about the bill made sense to me ... Except for why the ahmadiyas and Sufis were not included ( bringing the issue of two nation theory isn't a good argument in my opinion. When there is human rights violation ,you can't simply say "you asked for it and now you reap what you sow !"
That isn't a good argument!)
and
As your second point says..the act's repercussions on Indian Muslims who don't have the necessary documents to prove their citizenship is a matter of concern even for me!
I don't understand why that was not discussed!
Good they are not. They are pretty good here why spoil them.
No no it's ok be to here. Let's them play in fish market, we are happy over here and intellectuals don't entertain TRP based channels
They don't want to bark and these are professionals
Best Debate/Discussion format I have ever seen on media...
This is the best discussion on CAB...
Sai Deepak Ji is just awesome wit..he is crystal clear 👌👏
I wish every body has an educated understanding of bill just like deepak. He has sharp and clear points like a lawyer and nip to bud manner. 👌
J.sai Deepak..qudos to the knowledge
He is stupid..... He has no knowledge of article 14 .... Hence wronlgy explained
Yes n so does the makers of the constitution, to even hAve article 14 included in the constitution when the partition happened in the name of religion, then why the hell we have to have that stupid Big heart to even tolerate article 14
@@mafizali7404 pehli fusrsat m nikal
@@mafizali7404 hi is supreme court layer bro🤣
We need people like Sai Deepak in BJP
Thanks RSTV
for years i was watching NDTV and other BS debates
this episode is soo purely totally a must see for the youth.specially who are intrested in current affairs..exams...etc.. very informative. without politician BS. unbiased...
no idiotic commecial bs ads. unlike tv channels
Soo true, After seeing many foolish remarks on CAB being spread on social media, I feel like everyone needs to know these facts.
Brilliant talk by Adv. Sai Deepak!!
Sai Deepak you are a genius!!
One of the sharpest legal minds in India
Indeed , but he should answer another of his class ruclips.net/video/DBiIhhKk3_8/видео.html
@@one-bm6lz That will be interesting to watch. But I believe J Sai will make him understand. Apart from knowledge of Indian Constitution and law, J Sai has knowledge of Indian History and culture which is main plus point of him.
@@guhan4606 do you even know what does bigot mean? Can you give example of him being bigot?
Since year i have been listing this channel , the point which given by j .sai deepak sir is very very impresive .
Sir clears many things together point by point.
Sai deepak sir ....thank for everything
No emotive outbreak, sheer sensible talk!!
The only question is who accommodates these persecuted minorities?
Just hats off to the sai deepak English fluency.....OMG what a fluency he possess...
the comments section is refreshingly civil here
I guess that would be because they want to listen to speakers and not shouters on those stupid private channels.. lol. Glad more people are getting onto rajya sabha tv and dd news.
Sai Deepak is a perfect example that wisdom have no connection with age. His maturity and knowledge can't be compared to remaining two.
Deepak sir.. just salute you. Just love Ur knowledge
.. god bless you ji...
what J.Sai deepak is saying is what i am saying regarding the issue.
No jobs, no onions, no water , Pm says population has to be controlled... Now here we are embracing additional burden on our already scarce resources.
Is this bjp's irony or hypocrisy ???
N I think you did not watch the programme well enough.
Few Points:
1) The people we are talking about in CAB are already living in parts of India, so already consuming resources.
2) The cut off date is 2014, which means people who came after 2014 will not be considered under this Bill.
3) Most importantly you are forgetting that we are talking about people who are being persecuted because of their “religion”, that is their very identity.
I hope you understand.
N no problem they are already residing in india so no new burden. And when rohingya aa rahe toh koi burden nahin ped raha tha kyon. Aur vipkash isliye halla nahi macha rahi ki unhone nagrikta kyon de j thi hain h chahe rahe hain ki isme muslim kyon nahi include hue taki unki vote bank kam na ho jaye. Hum govt ko poori tarah support karte hain unke is kadam pe. Iss desh se pahle hi do muslim desh ban chuke hain. We dont need more muslim. Forget about secularism if muslim became majority.
Constitution is not above people. It is for people. People are not for constitution.
N we are not buying opposition to agenda.
@Sourav its very
Gautam sen is concerned about what Bangladesh feel..,😀😀😀 he must feel about indigenous people n persecuted ones.....I think advisor like him is itself a threat.
Gautam Sen is a pro leftist that doesn't care about India's sovereign and security interests
😂😂👍
I am a leftist and from West Bengal. I would literally do anything to ensure that illegal immigrants who come and steal our jobs are sent back to their native land. It is pretty easy to distinguish Bangladeshi dialect from my mother tongue. Send them back.🙏🏻 Our health system in the state is under collapse because of influx of patients who get free treatment citing illegal citizenship. This world isn’t all flowers and rainbows and if we have to choose someone we should prioritise our own community.
Have you people read about his contribution in NE regions. He is one of the best civil servants of this country. Please read before you speak. If someone doesn't agree with you it doesn't mean they are against you.
Gautam sen should be asked why do nagaland has 88% christianity and it is the most baptist state in the whole world. Read about the persecution of indegenious people in Nagaland, Mizoram and Manipur.
No one brings clarity like Advocate Sai Deepak! I'm here to listen to him.
for example , An indian muslim was not able to produce required documents before NRC Assam, So he is an illegal citizen, Now If a Hindu Bengali comes He will be received on the grounds of Religion
@@mmanoj1671 Yes because the Bengal(east pakistan) was formed based on religion and and if you cannot prove your citizenship you cannot call yourselves 'Indian' Muslim you are just a muslim
As usual Deepak is outstanding..
rstv big picture has taken this show to the next level and thereby raising the bar for itself. Mr.J. Sai Deepak was just impeccable. Such a shrewd personalities on this show.Million thanks to rstv and mr pererira.
speechless
thanks J Sai Deepak.
Comments from Adv sai put more Light on the issue.... Thanks
Thank you so much for this sensible debate 🙏
Thank for discussing such sensitive issue
sai ddeepak u always steal the show.....mind blowing explanation
Now that #CABBill is passed:
1. Onions will be available at ₹30/kg.
2. Petrol will be available at ₹50/ltr.
3. Economy will come out of recession.
4. Everyone's job will be saved.
5. $1 = ₹40
Really refreshing to know.
Portfolio is divided . CAB comes under MHA n issue as mentioned u FM should effort to overcome it
@@arzunmusic Such a Manu of you! Don't dare to humiliate someone for his birth. Believe in karma as mentioned by Lord Krishna!
these are institutional reforms and its as important. :)
@Sneha how stupid you r. This bill has no relation to what you are trying to convey. You are one of those who only think about your Stomach and not for the people who are prosecuted on the basis of there Religion.
Abhishek Kanse please argue in comment section after having sufficient knowledge, they are not doing this for minority protection if yes what about rohingyas.
Sai Deepak Sir, super amazing, RSTV Please do invite him on Discussions.
This was probably the weakest outing of Mr J Sai Deepak. He seemed to be pushing his personal ideological narrative, and justifying it by hook or crook. The crux of his argument seemed,"The govt can do whatever it wants". This statement coming from a lawyer is deeply problematic.
1. On the question of extending the provisions of CAB to Shias, or Ahmadiyas, Sai effectively replied that their forefathers committed a blunder, and so let the present folk suffer. Is it rational to judge the present generation on the basis of the actions of their forefathers? This makes no sense.
2. What about his proposal to diversify the population of refugees across states, dude they are people, not Factors of production. Sai seems to think of this issue only from the viewpoint of religion. Religion is, but a part of any individual's identity. Not the sum and substance of his existence. I am disappointed.
As a civilisational duty, he's justifying something unjustifiable. Does he want India to become theocratic? I don't know, but I can't rule it out. I am disappointed with the overall tone and tenor of the debate.
The only positive being RSTV calling people with different viewpoints. Kudos.
yap, when one get personally connected to debate they looses maturity and calm...thats what happendd today
MUKUL MISHRA TOTALLY AGREE WITH U.
friends I asked 2 questions on desh deshantar debate comments yesterday...no one answered that there...so will u plz help me by answering that there?
@@priyankatekwani4754 can you please post the link of the debate, or the question?
@@mukulmishra4722
1. is there reservation of sc/st in rajya sabha?,
2. is there any rotational basis reservation followed currently?
Salute you sir sai Deepak
Sad that none talked about the Economy burden that this country is facing due to immigrants.
India wants to compete with China in terms of population and not economy...God have mercy on this country 🤣🤣🤣
@jyotirmoy NRC is meant for that. All these people are already living in India. CAB gives citizenship to some of them. NRC will send remaining illegal trespassers back.
@@hammukho6062 nrc aa raha hai to take care of your fancies danger.
Because the subject topic is CAB.
J.SAI Deepak very well explained.
Sai Deepak, thy name is clarity.
J Sai Deepak is awesome with legal points and logical arguments.
I am amused why Frank did not ask any questions about Sri Lankan Tamils who are in India for many decades and struggling to lead a normal life.
@Himanshu Pant If that is the case, Where does Afghanistan come into the picture?
@Rakesh Kumar Community? No one here asks citizenship for LTTE militants. Civilians who fled the country due to racial persecution. Also I do not blindly support granting citizenship to them. A debate on this point here in RSTv is something which I expected.
Kudos to sai deepak, goddess saraswathi blessed him with true knowledge.
India was divided on the basis of religion. It's a FACT. After partition, non-Muslims of Pakistan and Bangladesh should automatically be considered eligible to get citizenship of India. It should be about giving justice to the victims of 2-Nation theory. As far as Ahmadiyyas are considered they are not victims of 2-Nation theory. Ahmadiyyas are living in Islamic country which they wanted. If they are now persecuted for not being Muslims enough, it should not be our concern. India is not a Dharamshala.
There is also a very good security reason to limit CAB. Imagine if under garb of escaping persecution, a million or more closet jihadis come in & seek citizenship? We need to distinguish between secularism and stupidity.
And if we don't learn from the past, we should stop reading about past.
@Mr. Meeseeks politicians duty is to work for the people but for that they should meet the people at least once every six months till five years personally and Compulsorily.
If not then it's useless of conducting elections
Mr. Meeseeks I’m sorry, you can go to hell.
@@the_logical_7125 learn from China? Wtf
J Sai is very much upto the point