Installing a Tremol-No?? WATCH THIS FIRST!!
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- Thinking about installing a Tremel-No on your floating bridge guitar? Watch this video first and see how long it took me to install mine! I'm not saying don't get one, but be ready for a LOT more setup time than what some tutorials would have you believe.
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I'm glad you ran into all of the issues you did and posted a video. This way, we can take this into account when we try to install one. As a result, we'll know how to troubleshoot the issues. Thanks.
Oh, it's your birthday and it's your only electric guitar? How interesting and important! Maybe at some point in your 24-minute video you'll tell me why the heck I'm watching this video. I think it had something to do with the Tremol-no.
DID not notice the star bit... i used the allen, maybe the other wrench., is what i used to lock the ground wire. I got 2 allen wrenches...
ik that im about a year late but a replacement that u can use to go to drop D is the tone vise pitch shifter which is a dtuna but can fit in floating trems
I looked into those, but my bridge is the Lo TRS II. I asked Tone Vise if they made a Pitch Shifter that was compatible, but they don't.
@@timbmusician I haven't owned a Floyd rose yet but a thing that I think might work is to tune to E with the fine tuner all the way down, then loosen it to Drop D (I have no idea if it would work but Ya never know) Hopefully they will make a pitch shifter for the Lo TRS II soon.
I haven't tried it to be sure, but I don't think there's a full step of play in the fine tuner.
Thank you, sir! You helped me decide to take my B.C. Rich Mockingbird to a luthier to have him install the Tremol-no for me. I appreciate the video. (You're really funny too!)
Glad I could help and amuse! Thanks!
@@timbmusician have they since then made any changes to make the install easier? Have you tried the Sophia trem?
As far as I know, there haven't been any changes to the Tremol-no in any way. But, that being said, knowing what I know now, I'm sure I would have a much easiet time if I had to install another one.
I've never heard of the Sophia trem.
@@timbmusician thanks for your response. You should check out the Sophia trem. Search for Darrell Braun Guitar Sophia trem on RUclips. He did a review on it. Very interesting product. Let us know what you think
wow when you turned your guitar upside down the spring are crazy i have 4 straight springs on my kelly
Mine only shipped with 3 and years ago I had some tuning stability issues. The heavier gauge strings were drifting more thsn the thinner strings. Angling the springs put more tension on that end of the bridge and fixed the problem for me.
My goodness Allen wrenches are so very hard to come by as a guitar player! Haha I hear you though. I’ve been buying gear that requires older usb cables and they can’t be bothered to include it!
I didn't have much luck with the EVH D-Tuna either. I ordered a Tone Vice Pitch Shifter, which does the same type of thing as the D-Tuna. They make one for the Ibanez Edge bridge, too, so maybe you could look into that, too.
I've never heard of that one! Thanks! I'll check into it.
@@timbmusician I don't remember how I stumbled upon it. I have one shipping to me right now. Once I have that and the Tremol-No installed, I'll let you know what the outcome is.
i have one installed in my iceman. for me it was easy, i just took out the standard claw, installed the tremol-no claw, re attached everything, then locked it down.
That's great! I can only wish my install had gone as smoothly. LOL
You got really lucky. You should play the lottery.
@@AutoRiff which kind do u have, the pin type or the clamp type? the clamp type works best. i previously tried the pin type and accidentally broke it during installation lol.
@@tyreekmurillo4524 I've got the small clamp type. There's so many ways that the piston can grind that leads me to believe that the official tutorial video is highly misleading. For example, you can slide the clamp along the trem block and throw the whole thing out of alignment. I've spent 10 hours with this thing and finally I don't feel resistance but I can still hear some grinding. Kevin, the inventor, says it's completely silent when set up properly but I don't think that's true. That, or 1/64th of a turn on a claw screw or moving the clamp .05mm is still too much movement at one time. I need a drink LOL
@@AutoRiff i hear that. tremolos in general will make u need a drink or a smoke lol.
Very cool
Thank you so much for this video. I had the same issues. I couldn't figure out why is made metal scrapping noise. I installed this on my 97 PRS. So far go but what was the size of the torque bit for the ground.
I don't recall. I had a set of several and just tried until I found one that fit.
The ground screw isn't a torx bit, it's a regular hex key. I think it's 1mm or 1.5mm.
Bro if it takes you hours to retune your floating bridge after a string break you have some more learning to do. These trems aren’t the beasts so many RUclipsrs make them out to be. The problem is that they haven’t been taught how to use them correctly.
I can totally restring your guitar, level your bridge, set your action and tune it perfectly in half an hr.
Thanks for this video man!! I'm about to receive my new Ibanez RG2027XL today (about time, it's been on backorder for like 4 months).. I'm going to install the FU-Tones brass block for it, the FU-Tones heavy duty silent springs, as well as the tremol-no (small clamp, and I have 2 allens in it).. and I'm gonna put new strings on it, and tune it to 1 step down from standard tuning with a low Drop G.. I've set up my friends Floyd Rose on his jackson.. but this'll be a new experience for me :D I'm sure your video will help me avoid certain issues during my install.
Thanks again man!!
Thanks for watching! Good luck on your own install!
Hi Timothy, great video! I own a John Petrucci Musicman guitar and want to install a tremol no. According to their website I would require the pin type system however, going on the bridge type examples they provide, mine actually looks more like the bridge that would require the small clamp system. How did you know which system to purchase? Any advice would be most appreciated!
Thanks Andrew! When I ordered mine on Amazon, I made sure to check the fine print in the description. I also Googled for my bridge type and tremol-no clamp size. Still it was a bit of a shot in the dark. Luckily, Amazon has always been great about returns and exchanges if you get the wrong size.
Timothy E Brown thanks for getting back to me that’s good to know. I’ll perhaps order one off amazon and hope for the best! I was hoping to buy a strat one day and would no doubt fit another to that too. Out of interest do you remember which you got for yours?
Mine was the small clamp.
You have to take the big clamp version if the tremolo block is ticker than 8mm
I did it on two guitars in like 1/2 hour,, but half in the dark, and so far, i just have a stop tail piece no idea how to work the trem.
Did you try the tuna after you installed it? I had the same problem. Kept going out of tune. This thing locks the tremolo from going back which is the key to the D tuna.
When you release the D tuner for drop D. It loosens the low E string which then allows the bridge to go back (and it puts the other strings out of tune. If it’s solid and can’t go back, it will stay in tune.
The D-tuna is simply not compatible with the Ibanez bridge at all. I tried to find a version that works with it, but I came up empty. The OG Ibanez S-Series just wasn't meant to have a D-tuna on it.
Works great on my Wolfgang, though!
13:48 that's because of your original spring orientation was offset.
That probably afftected things.
That's definitely the reason.. :-)
Also, at ruclips.net/video/n4bDfQBQN60/видео.html it's easier to do it the other way around. You put the spring in the hole first and then with the help of a flat screwdriver, you put the spring back in the hook. Thanks for taking the time to make this video! Cheers!
That's actually a good tip! I've never been known to do things the easy way.
Thanks for watching the video!
Thanks for this. I am just about to install a Tremolo-No in my Suhr Strat!
Hope your install goes smoother than mine! They're pretty cool when you get it dialed in, though.
Timothy E Brown I got it installed. But I need to readjust everything to make the claw and block parallel, and both perpendicular to the rod, while still maintaining ideal intonation, action, and bridge plate height and orientation. Juggling!!!
Just got one in a guitar, set it to dive only, too frustrating to keep in tune
Painful...
What issue did you have with the D-Tuna? Was it just that the body wasn't routed for it, so it was contacting the body, or was it something else? I have one on my Washburn N4 and it's been working OK. I'm planning on getting the Tremol-no so I have more options rather than having to always have my bridge blocked for the D-Tuna. I'm interested to see if using this in conjunction with the D-Tuna will work or just be a mess.
The style of bridge on the older S-Series is just incompatible with the D-tuna, with or without the Tremol-no.
I even tried to find something from FU-Tone who makes something similar to the D-tuna but for low-profile trem systems like the one on my Ibanez. But they told me that particular model bridge wasn't around long enough for anyone to make compatible hardware for it.
Took me 10 minutes to install mine.
how do you make it float? there are 3 knobs... which one gets lose? 1,2, 3? there is not a video explaining that that I have found...obviously if you tighten all 3 its a stop tail piece... can someone explain how to make it float?
I haven't had my Ibanez out of the case in ages since I got my Wolfgang. But I do recall it took a little trial and error to figure out which screws to tighten to give me which operation I wanted. With all the screws loose, you're in your normal full floating operation and can dive down or pull up. Now this is where my memory gets slightly foggy so forgive me if it's off. With the first screw (maybe first two?) tightened (going from the tailpiece towards the neck) you are in "Dive only" and cannot pull up but can dive down. Then all three screws are to give you a good solid lock for the "fully locked" position.
The actual install doesn't take that long. Getting it to work right is what takes forever.
I think it would be much quicker if there is a better understanding of how a tremolo works, for example the fact that both screws on the claw should be level with each other to achieve a fully balanced bridge.
To be fair, the instructions that come with it say you have to have everything straight or it won't work right. But it's just a line so unless you've done a lot of work on trems before, you don't realize how much of a difference it makes if it is even slightly off.
not quite, the bridge should be level balanced with the body, and that mostly happens to be when the claw is in a 90 degree angle towards the cavity edge. If however the threads for the claw screws are stripped, or the springs are partly relaxed due to age, or even the bridge posts on top of the body are worn, you might end up with an angled claw and still have a leveled bridge
does anybody know what the difference between the clamp, pin, and the small clamp?
They're just different sized fittings for different types of bridges. You'll have to read the fine print for each one to see which type is recommended for your particular bridge.
My bridge is a bit obscure. That type wasn't listed anywhere so it was actually a bit of a guess. I Googled pictures to find one that looked closest to mine and got that one.
What string gauge are you using?
D'Addario XL 9's.
Why are your springs at an angle?
I had them that way for years before this. So long, in fact, that I don't recall what the original cause was. I just remember that one side of the bridge *always* sat higher than the other. Angling the springs made it sit flat and even.
I probably could have just added a spring, but I didn't have any at the time. Once the issue was fixed, I just left it that way.
@@timbmusician Interesting. Thanks for letting me know! Great video by the way. I subscribed:)
Thanks! I appreciate that.
Question, if you set the Tremol-no to hardtail and switch tunings, then go back to the original tuning, does the floating bridge reset perfectly flat or will you end up needing to reset the whole thing?
In theory it should reset fine but I don't want it to be different in practice after I spend all this time setting it up lol
That's a good question! I haven't tried it myself to know for sure, but I suspect you're right. As long as you go back to the same tuning you had when you locked into hardtail mode, you should be fine. Any tuning changes in between should be irrelevant. But like I said, I haven't tried it myself to be 100% sure.
Just get a second guitar.
I'm currently playing a lot of 80's hair that benefits from it, but it's the only floater I own.
Short of gluing blocks to both sides to hardtail it, you're just pushing a stone uphill.
That's an easy answer if you have the budget. But for a lot less money than a second guitar, minus a few hours setup frustration, I can now have it both ways. Works great once you get it dialed in.
All I see here is a waste of a good whammy system. Why even get a guitar with one if your gong to block it off? Makes no sense.
3 Reasons.
1. Faster set up/Changing strings and action.
2. Able to tune much easier to whatever tuning you require when the Tremol-No clamp is fully locked.
3. More versatility, if you can't afford multiple guitars with hardtails, this is a good buy.
Maybe learn how to setup one up the correct way and you would not have to block it.
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@@metalheadbillseiw001 Oh I do, but as the old saying goes "Work Smarter, not harder'' in this scenario is definitely convenient.
That’s nice, a video that doesn’t help anyone at all.
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