It is a shame on all humanity. We can justly blame these monsters for their behavior but it takes a culture to create them. They were not made in a lab by a mad scientist. Its all of society that is to blame. We are to blame. We need to change our culture or this will continue.
A friend experienced a similar rape culture while getting a PhD at another Ivy League school. They are correct, letting people resign and retire won't change a thing.
I don't know why people think that this is an unusual story. The education sector in the West is full of such stories. It exists across all levels from primary school to university level. One influential American educationist told me that the post doc scene is "full of sex". One can complain, put one's career at risk, and investigations are launched, matters reach to the top, and nothing gets done. The perpetrators keep their job, the institutions hire expensive barristers to shut up people, reports of misdemeanor are never shared with the public because the Board itself is full of people with vested interests and the complainant is left devastated, because essentially they can't pursue the matter publicly because of lack of funds & will power to challenge the institution. Cease & Desist letters, Defamation threats, NDAs all are used to protect the Board & the institutions. Laws are used to prevent justice being delivered, rather than for it to be served, especially, to the weak and the poor.
Well…..unless there is enough evidence for a criminal investigation and prosecution, an educational institution has to investigate thoroughly to avoid being sued, and that takes time. The man who retired is off campus- without access to victims- that’s a big deal. The two who resigned will be looking for other jobs….and people will ask questions…..who resigns tenure at Dartmouth for a good reason? Nobody! So it’s maybe more effective than you think. Plus, other tenured professors will have heard about this, and maybe reined in their activities, and other colleges became more aware- maybe having a serious talk with staff who commonly socialise and drink to excess with students- and predatory behaviour is being stopped much earlier in its tracks.
They get away with it partly because it is so astounding that people doubt you at first blush. They are protected by "what -- that cannot be true!" You "must be" struggling in the program and looking for excuses. And non-drinkers will be labeled "recovered alcoholics." It's quite a system.
After I filed a sexual harassment claim again my professor, David Whisnant at UNC-Chapel Hill, he was allowed to retire. This was in the 90s, and I wasn't at all surprised to subsequently learn that this was a pattern at the university. It was a shameful practice then to not hold these predators accountable and still is now.
Gender-based violence is a plague upon all fields, but male-dominated fields make for extremely vulnerable situations. I applaud these women who bravely chose to shine light on this issue. May your path be light and may your next years bring more accomplishments than you can even envision! Shame on those who abuse their power to break the careers of young scientists.
Abuse and assault is plain wrong. Women are also guilty of gender based violence. Maybe not rape but bullying and lying. The women in every workplace I have been have made it hell, especially for other women. Some women even set up their female colleagues for assault by men. Some women traded sex for grades or promotion or easy assignments. It does not help to exclusively paint women as the victims and men as villains. We need to see organizations as all potentially toxic and in need of reform and better oversight. Interesting I know many women who went to university in the 1920s and 30s and they said they were well treated by the men. It seems to have gotten worse since the sexual revolution.
I was a phd student at Dartmouth around the same time & remember how hush hush faculty members from other departments were about this when the details first started coming out, which to me was quite counterintuitive. The three professors were first put on indefinite leave *with pay* & were only forced to leave/retire after there was backlash. These women were incredibly courageous.. it's really good to see them moving on - I honestly thought it would be the end of their careers given how toxic the academia world is in general.
@@womenfrom0202 And I read in their statement, shown at the end of this video, Dartmouth still does not acknowledge that they/ the academic department knew about these 3 predator professors for years and had done nothing. I.e., Dartmouth as an institution is still claiming to be 'innocent.'
@@womenfrom0202the primary thing trustees of ANY private college are concerned with is protecting the reputation of the institution because that reputation increases enrollments and therefore THE SIZE OF THE TRUST'S ENDOWMENT. Can't do that if they're running to the police every time there's an SA allegation- those are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD, and cease to be within the control of the institution.
Thank you for titling the video properly. These are not just women but should be recognized as scientists. They make younger women feel proud to pursue science!
@@nb6525 I understand and I agree that all people deserve to be protected from coercion like this. The importance of naming the victims' work is that their careers were used against them and potentially derailed by the harassment. If several NBA players were targeted by their bosses we would identify them by their profession and not by their gender. Their PhDs are meaningful public identifiers. As you highlight, victims from any profession and perceived status should be protected.
This intimidating and coercive behavior towards women is rampant. As a waitress, I refused a date with a cook in thes restaurant and was threatened with a knife and had all my orders held up or done wrong. Customers were angry with me and did not tip.
@thereisnosanctuary You are being pointlessly racist regarding this question. Men of any nationality, culture, and ethnic background can be coercive and ab usive. You know this, stop pretending you don't.
They complained to the college administration and even before they named the professors, the staff knew, that particularly stinks! There is so much trust in these colleges when students enroll from all over the world. it is unacceptable they let this behavior knowingly go on bcos these 3 brought grants ...
The same thing happened to me (twice) at George Washington. If I had had others to back me, I probably would have pushed harder 😢 but the trauma was so bad that my mind erased what happened as too painful
That's not really why they allowed the situation to continue. If it was as simple as the dean or the president of the university sitting in a room with a calculator, it would have been stopped. It's way more about societal beliefs about young women and successful men. And probably also about successful men and women who used to young. In fairness to the university, nobody really knew what was going on except for those 3 faculty - thus the importance of isolating victims. Obviously its best to have a culture where behavior like this is unthinkable, but the real test of any institution is how they respond when a scandal like this becomes public.
@@lisajohnson4744 As someone who has been in similar situations (though I hope not nearly as bad), they didn't *know*. They suspected, they worried, they were concerned by what they saw, but they didn't know. I will note again the importance to the perpetrator of isolating victims. If they are able to do that, then not even the victims know how bad things really are. That's ultimately how these people are able to get away with stuff like this for so long. Once you know, for most people it's easy. Telling what you know is relatively easy, telling what you are concerned about is very difficult. But to your point, anyone who really did know should be named as well. If there is anyone in this category they are what is called "an accesory."
I do not drink alcohol. This was a career problem throughout master's work at school and then again working for corporate. Not drinking ostracizes you and can completely block you from advancing. It's ridiculous.
I made significantly more money when I started drinking. I had children very young, and alcohol didn’t interest me then, so I didn’t drink alcohol until my mid thirties. It was a real eye opener for me and it’s sad.
I thought that Alcohol drinking culture was only a necessary part of business deals Russia... but never in the US and in college... shocking. Watching now in December 2024
I agree, I was sober for about 2 years and everytime I went out and refused a drink it was so bizarre how upset people were with me, especially the men. People would ask me are you sick? Are you pregnant? Are you an alcoholic? They would keep pressuring me to just have one. Just a shot. Non stop pressure to the point that I just stopped going out.
@@TheSweetestCocoaThe ones who protest the most are usually the ones with alcoholism. It’s actually saving you time because now you know what to expect from them.
When my teachers were talking to me about applying to an Ivy League school in 1979, I was warned not to apply to Dartmouth because the harassment and drinking culture was part of the school's reputation.
"Dartmouth had no prior knowledge of misconduct" 14:36 while the chairs of the department knew immediately which professors they were talking about without the women mentioning their names... Thank you so much for speaking up and inspiring others. It is horrible how commonplace this is. We see with cases like this and Gisèle Pelicot's that many men within a certain environment are complicit in this type of behaviour.
Fellow scientist (and woman) and recent PhD graduate here. I applaud these women!!! These men are TRASH! Women belong in STEM and academia and we must stick together and support each other so this toxic academia culture ceases to exist.
Exactly, why nobody is in jail? Is it too late? Then, where is American Massad? There should be one. Anonymous Massad that protects unprotected. Fantasy of course, but good to have something to dream about, gives me peace of mind.
I was a victim at a Stirling Uni by a male supervisor and although the uni said they would help they all bowed to him and made it so difficult I had to leave. It destroyed my life and I resent how they manipulated me to keep the peace. Bullying and sexual assault is prevalent in these places and individuals hold so much power no one dare be on your side openly.
I think a huge part of the problem here is the “grants” system- scientists compete for money by “pitching” to funding committees- and anyone who is charismatic and willing to “big up” themselves and their plans is at a major advantage. Attracting money secures you tenure- so what we have is a system that actively funnels narcissists and psychopaths to the top.
The Fed grant money should be able to be retracted if there is evidence of prof asking students to socialize outside of work or working outside 9-5. You can never prove all this touching stuff unless someone has a camera on all the time so just separate work and personal life. Students don't want to spend more time with prof, they need lives so they can marry people their own age. There's also the prob of students being treated as slave labor. They're paid minimum and worked long hours in the lab frequently there by themselves.
@@andrewatlarge2368 You're think linearly, that the solution only sits at the problem. The grant system is not the problem, but it's the solution to making corrupt men less powerful. They only matter to the unis because their names bring in grant money. If you take than grant money away or reduce it every time that man behaves inappropriately then soon that abuser will be more of a liability than someone to protect.
I graduated from Dartmouth as an undergraduate in 1974 and the heavy drinking culture was always present. There was almost nothing as a graduate program at Dartmouth at the time. I admire and support these women who took legal action against the College. I am ashamed that the College where I was an undergraduate was called to task for allowing this behavior. These women showed great courage.
They should be in jail and without economic benefits. Sexual predators are a constant threat in all areas, unfortunately. I congratulate you, brave women, for your teamwork, your determination and your decision to change things not only for you as women but scientists, but for all women and girls. The struggle continues.... Solidarity and best wishes from Ecuador
Also please report this to the police. These men are gonna try to get similar jobs in the future and they’re gonna start these grooming behaviors over again unless they experience some serious consequences.
Yes….but having resigned from a tenured position at somewhere as prestigious as Dartmouth may well make them unemployable in the US, Canada and Western Europe. I suppose they might get a job in the Far East, Middle East, or India, but that might happen even if fired. Plus, certainly in the Middle East, their students would all be male.
the courage it took these women to expose the academic patriarchy is monumental. however, much of the progress that women have made over the last decades is, once again, under threat from incoming federal and state administrations that continue to belittle women, and actively work to suppress and drag back those gains.
As a woman of 70 who experienced this “droit de seigneur” attitude as a young Law student, I’m so sad to see it’s still happening. Thank you for speaking out - it does take a lot of courage for a young woman to do that.
I’m a lawyer and a young woman and this sort of culture is so prevalent in the workplace. Things are said about women that are so …. Insane and it’s still very much a boys club. At least in the area I practice.
Something doesn't add up here. If they raped them why are they not rotting in prison? Especially the Indian woman, mentioning she explicitly said no. So what gives?
@@alterego157 A criminal prosecution is very difficult to accomplish for sexual crimes that don’t have an extreme force factor. Criminal charges are under the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard of evidence, which usually requires lots of physical evidence (dna, bruises, etc). In cases like this it can be very difficult to actually get a conviction because the evidence is largely witness based. This obviously shouldn’t be the case, but due to how our legal system is set up and how society views sexual misconduct it’s the reality
There are always pioneers needed. Women couldn’t vote, could own properties until after some of our fire moms struggled and fought for us. So think of who will benefit and please fight.😊
Don't be afraid we need more people like you. There are many solutions to this. An extreme one is to apply only for a lab of female professors if you are concerned. But in my experience at Cornell it's been very progressive and they go out their way to be accommodating in terms of safety and concerns. My advisor is male that we have diverse staff. We have a very strong group of female professors. Professor Hadas Kress-gazit for example is actually my hero she is really awesome.
My story is actually the opposite. I and a woman from a conservative Asian country and after graduation from my PhD study in the US I moved back to my own country to become a professor. I really miss the time when women and gender minorities/LGBTQ people are empowered over the status quo of cis hetero men. I have to roll back all my progress in personal freedom and confidence when I move back to my own country.
This is a widespread problem. I experienced it as a grad student where younger male professors married with kids) would show up at social events and drink too much. One in particular would target certain female grad students and try to pick them up when his wife was away. Unfortunately, this guy was my mentor and I ended up requesting a new mentor because of this. An older professor would ask me to type up his papers. While I was seated at a computer, he stood behind me and leaned over the chair. I felt his erection in my back and it was horrifying. To my knowledge, none of us filed complaints because we felt powerless. The department faculty were all male and many of the students were international. This was in the 90's. It was all about power and control. There has to be independent oversight and accountability, at public and private institutions.
I had the same experience with my thesis advisor at the University of Houston. After 9 months of retraumatizing interviews and tribunal process, he was terminated with 6 months notice and no other repercussions. He could have gotten a job at a nearby University and not have to disclose why he left UH. He was just one cog in a large machine at the school of professors grooming and abusing students (regardless of gender) at the school. I had been promised internships, jobs, publishing, etc. I also had multiple classes with him while the abuse was happening, and that's ultimately how the investigator was able to bring the case forward: creating a hostile learning environment. The physical abuse didn't matter to the committee. Academia creates a perfect environment for predators and that needs to change.
I'm so very sorry what that professor and University of Houston put you through. Good women and men must work to improve the culture, institutions and laws for people now and in the future. It's hard, but it's worth it.
I was in a bachelor's program in CA for business and the drinking culture made me switch majors. Everyone went to the bar to drink and do their projects. As I progressed through the program, I wasalmost done with my junior year, drinking became more part of the program. It's how you made friends and how you worked with others. Because I didn't want to, my parts of the project didn't get done in a way that fit in with everyone else's, didn't seem cohesive, and no one wanted to get together at school to complete the projects. The people going for drinks became friends, they'd go to office hours together, they'd develop a relationship with the professor, I felt left behind, I was less known. It was a wake up call, I was not cut out for such a social work place. I switched to nutrition major and become a dietitian.
It is VERY VERY hard for a faculty member to sue these colleges, much more difficult for a student, and a woman to sue them. This needs to change. Faculty can't be allowed to retire to escape culpability, and the same goes for Police persons.
As a 30 year old woman, I realize that almost all of my friends have faced sexual harassment in different forms. some sexual harassment practices are normalized by people around me, either because they lack knowledge or awareness about the harmful consequences of these behaviors or because they lack power to correct them. Usually, women in my country don't receive good education about sex and sexual harassment; most of them once face with those dangerous or shameful situations tried to be silent and protect their jobs or their faces by being silent. Some young girls don't even recognize the red flags from toxic men around them; the worst case is they are raped and feel like that is their fault. I have sisters and cousins who are young girls so I try to teach them about sexual harassment and what they should do when they are raped. Still, I feel so bad as a women who wants to become a data scientist. The fact that fields dominated by men are quite hostile and dangerous to women is discouraged to us. I wish men should realize that there are members in their species pose so much threats to us and build walls to keep women out of her freedom and success.
Got into a PhD program at Dartmouth, contacted some students and they told me to join any university but this because the environment is bad and people are sexist…
It is really unbelievable how proud Darthmouth is in their response. They are so proud that they revoked the tenure of sexual predators with countless victims. Calling it unprecedented and not acknowledging they just let one of them retire, like any other person. They are shameless like many higher education institutions. Think what happens when it is one or two victims, or actions stay at kissing and touching. These institutions are breeding places for this type of behavior precisely because they do not take any responsibility beyond "investigating". Huge thanks to these brave women who continue to speak up and tell their story.
I did my PhD at Dartmouth around this time, in an adjacent research program, and was troubled by what I heard. So proud of these women for standing up and thank you from a fellow (female) Dartmouth scientist for not allowing it to go on, especially in the face of real risk. ❤
There should be a lawsuit for this sexual predatory behavior. Good the school fired the criminals. BUT, why isn't this in the legal system? It will continue as long as there is no real accountability. This was premeditated and organized crime.
Great video. I agree change requires collective effort. I got my masters at Dartmouth in 1993 and have lived one town north ever since. Dartmouth College grew out of our early American patriarchal culture and has built vast corporate wealth from that power. Lately there's been a hazing scandal at a fraternity and the victim has been outspoken and visible. He is brave. In a Women's Studies class I took at Dartmouth some students shared their experiences of physical assault/rape attending fraternity parties here and at other schools. Alcohol was definitely a catalyst in those situations. It was devastating to know their pain and humiliation but important for healing. I always wonder why the school hasn't abolished fraternities after so many incidents over generations. My guess is that some wealthy alumni would withhold financial gifts. It's always about power and wealth and it's a long game.
Not just at colleges, my high school English teacher kept asking any pretty girl who took his senior level class to go to the beach with him to drink whiskey as soon as they turned 18. Everybody knew about it, the administration definitely knew about it, but he didn't get fired until the parents started making a scene at every single board meeting 3 years after I left. Even then the principal called it a "witch hunt". There must be structures like Title IX in place to FORCE action against predatory men and women, otherwise administrators care more about not rocking their own boat. Disgusting is the correct word here.
Thank you for your individual bravery and I am so grateful that each and every one of you managed to move beyond that horrific situation. You all are truly amazing.
I'm reaching the end of a career as a historian. One of my biggest disappointments with academia has been its inability / unwillingness to end the kind of abuses that this video discusses. As a grad student in the 1980s and '90s, I was well aware that there were (overwhelmingly, but not only) male professors who engaged in various forms of SA toward their (largely, but not only) female students. But I honestly believed that universities were finally coming to terms with this problem and that it would soon be behind us. But it has very much continued over the last three decades. And, what's worse, there are now forces outside the academy trying to make it harder for institutions to keep students and other vulnerable members of the academic community safe. When you see politicians and others denouncing DEI and "woke," they are, among other things, running interference for the kind of rape culture that the brave young scientists in this video fought against.
Wherever you apply, ask to talk to current graduate students. Ask pointed questions about what it is like to work and study in their program, and with their specific advisor. Think about whether this is a match for how you would like to work over the next 4+ years. Good luck.
This was great. Would like to know how many female scientists left their studies, what estimates there are of this program nationally, if women studying the hard sciences experience this type of behavior in undergraduate and high school settings.
Totalmente de acuerdo. Estoy cansada de los idiotas en redes sociales que preguntan con soberbia: "por qué las mujeres no han realizado grandes descubrimientos en la ciencia a comparación de los hombres que sí lo han logrado, si están insertas en el ámbito universitario desde hace décadas?"... bueno, esta podría ser una de las razones junto con el robo intelectual que posiblemente se haya ejecutado en detrimento de mujeres a las que les pertenecen descubrimientos y trabajos científicos.
They should have been not just fired. Rape is a serious crime. They should be in prison. They deeds are so disgusting. And it happens in many colleges, fields and countries as far as I understand.
I really resonated with the "wanted to remain anonymous because I felt like I was detonating my career". I went through something similar and it was the biggest thing on my mind and caused me the most distressed since I was in my early 20s and an undergrad
I got my PhD in Neuroscience at Emory University in late 2010s. During my PhD I, and many others, experienced various types of abuse ranging from emotional to sexual. When we reported it, we were silenced, lied to and tricked by the neuroscience dept heads. Nothing happened to our advisors minus the sexual assault case where the advisor silently resigned and an email thanking him was sent from neuroscience dept heads after his departure. 🤯 I personally graduated with ptsd. Horrible. Just horrible. I would NEVER recommend studying neuroscience at Emory.
I’m wondering how many people who viewed the picture of Todd Heatherton were struck by his facial physical resemblance to Harvey Weinstein, as I was. Kudos to these young woman for finding the courage to stand up for their principals.
I felt incredibly sad when I heard about how speaking out as an Indian women has inspired other Indian women to be courageous to speak out as well. I’ve noticed a push towards conservative values in the gen Z as compared to other generations such as my own (Millennial generation) and this pressure towards keeping women silent and empowering men to be dominant to the point of feeling empowered to make decisions for women within their communities without any real discussion with women about the impact of those decisions on women. So many want to bring up “false rape allegations” but refuse to look at the pressure women face to recant allegations, to never accuse and the fact that even when an investigation has proven without a doubt that it happen, no real consequences take place, and like police officers they can move and apply elsewhere only to keep repeating this violence. It’s a failure on men, not women to keep pressuring women to never come forward while pretending that men are the greatest protectors of women and that’s why they need to subjugate women. But it’s also the failure of men to say that women should be treated like equals but a women’s concern is never treated equal to a man’s concern, despite research showing that a woman is valid in her concerns. Also, im particularly talking about American culture and how it’s nots too far off in terms of mistreatment as well.
There was a question of harassment by a faculty member in my doctoral program. He was stripped of an office in the building, and was given a smaller place to continue doing sone research so the students he had taken in could finish. This was in the 90's. He was pushed into a type of early retirement, but a lot of what happened was covered up.
Im an undergrad research assistant at a middle of the road college, this isn't exclusive to ivy leagues. I hear chatter everywhere about power dynamic exploitation. It's a symptom of societal inequality, the bigger issue needs to be addressed.
Same thing is happening in Portugal with Boaventura de Souza Santos. University doesn't want to let go their most acclaimed researcher even after he sexually assaulted many scholars :(
The fact that the faculty knew exactly who they were talking about with names being mentioned says it all. And it makes me wonder how many other women perhaps gave up, blamed themselves etc…😢
North Carolina State University has/had a problem Science Professor that has/had been sexually harassing female undergraduates for decades. The last I heard in 2010, a femaie student complained and was advised to leave the school. She was very close to graduation and the episode threw a huge wrench into her timetable. She had to finish her degree 'off campus.' A friend of mine was giving counsel to this young woman because she didn't have a family to support her (i.e., perfect grooming target), and never revealed to me her name or the name of the professor or I'd include his name herein
My organic chemistry professor had a house right next to campus, invited the undergrad girls over all the time. I don't know exactly what happened there but he had an impressive expensive wine collection. I knew several of the girls well and you know how they felt about him? They loved him and the attention. He was the most popular professor at the school. Small university in Minneapolis. True story
I wonder whether the situation of limitations has run out in her case. If not, she should consider suing the University. Real psychological, physical and educational harm was done.
In healthcare I had a colleague who was wildly overqualified as a PhD Chemist. She had left the field due to discrimination and suppression. Our then manager was very insecure in her role and constantly gave my colleague a hard time. A tremendous resource wasted due to oppressiveness.
When will men (and yes, it can be women too) in positions of power realise that people way below them in the hierarchy, who may be legally, physically and chronologically adults, are owed a duty of care and that with your power comes responsibility? You are “in loco parentis” as a teacher, no matter the age of the student, and just as if you were a parent and they your children, all sexual behaviour- even talk- is off limits. Also, exactly like a parent, you should not be out of control yourself around your kids/students- so that means not drinking with them or even socialising with them- outside of formal institutional events like an “Annual Dinner” type thing, and then confine your drinking to a bare minimum.
I’m glad I ran across this. I read The NY Times every single day and had never heard about this story. I have great admiration for their courage, as well as for their intelligence and resilience.
This video ought to be sent to all those men who go around asking victim blaming questions like "why didn't you speak up sooner or at all?", "why didn't you fight hard enough?".. we DID. But many of these creeps are already too powerful and too well connected to be able to make a dent against them and it doesn't help that your fellow "bros" stay silent and do nothing while the rest of you victim blame and victim shame us.
I highly recommend the 2015 documentary "The Hunting Ground" which examines the pervasiveness of sexual assault and harassment on college campuses nationwide -- and, more importantly, the unwillingness of university "leadership" (& I use that term lightly) to acknowledge incidents or not victim blame/shame.
Thank you for taking the time and resources to make this film. This is a wide spread problem in academia. I know because it was present when I was a graduate student and in at least one university where I taught.
These women are so brave, I am so sorry you had to go through this and I am so glad you found each other. That they could support each other and win some measure of justice
They deserve the utmost respect for standing up to these predators and the institution that protects them. The "no prior knowledge" response from Dartmouth is frankly disgusting.
The sick part is that people like this are just doing it for the thrill, since they know that they can abuse their power and there will be few repercussions
whatever happened to that Penn neuro professor almost 20 years ago, the one who moved one of his PhD students from China who couldn't afford housing . . . into his house . . . where he lived with his wife . . . then got her pregnant . . . then divorced his wife?
The board, directors and senior management of Dartmouth College should be held accountable for this. The ladies should initiate civil claim against those so called professors who should have their degrees stripped from them
The drinking and frat culture at Dartmouth totally exacerbates the problem of harassment and predatory behavior. The institution should immediately adopt a dry campus
Because when we do, the other half complain we are leaving you alone. lol. But seriously, why are you seemingly turning a blind eye on all the female teacher sexual predators we continually hear about? They very rarely get jail time even after legit trials.
If the three former Dartmouth professors are so comfortable harassing women trying to get an education, there’s absolutely no reason there names shouldn’t be shared. Their names are Todd Heatherton, William Kelley and Paul Whalen.
These men are able to molest women for years because their victims feel shamed into silence, giving their assailants the liberty to keep perpetrating harm on new victims. Gisele Pelicot flipped the script with her public trial. Women everywhere can learn from her example.
what a terrifying scenario, to be at that point in your career in a profession reliant so heavily on reputation and connections. I'm glad these women were able to sue, but I'm not happy with Dartmouth's stated response here. 1.5m donation to some nonprofit is meaningless when the problem is their culture and faculty.
Thank you for naming all three former professors. Students should never drink with their professors... period. Colleges need to reprimand professors who engage in drinking with their students. I had a married drunk professor come onto me in the 80s during a field study. Fortunately I had a good friend who blocked him out for the rest of the trip.
Really happy to see this kind of content coming from a reputable and well recognized source, it really adds weight to what these scientists experienced. Well, they should be believed on their own merits, unfortunately in our society, the extra weight helps drive home the point that this is a reality for far too many people.
this is crazy! I am a scientist and cannot imagine such working environment. Lab work usually have late hours and we share small spaces with others in microscope etc room. Girls are brave to speak up
“Dartmouth had no prior knowledge of misconduct….”??? Yet when the women went to them about the situation and *didn’t mention names* (!!) they immediately knew who was being talked about. Dartmouth knew and chose not to act until they were forced.
Its so important for women to help women. If you see a woman being targeted offer help. Don't wait for them to ask first. They might say they don't want it, but offering help means the world.
The second most disheartening part of this story, after the danger and fear these young women experienced is the reaction after they're reporting. Administration knew who they were reporting, without the women saying the names. Administration knew, and did absolutely nothing. No warnings, on investigation, no firings, nada. Shame on Dartmouth for turning your gaze, and pretending there was nothing you could do.
The powers are shifting. The patriarchy can't get away from the harm it has been causing. Everyone deserves opportunity, and to be empowered. We need eachother.
“It’s not for us to have shame, it’s for them.“ Gisèle Pelicot
This will be a revolution ❤
Wise words and absolutely true!
It is a shame on all humanity. We can justly blame these monsters for their behavior but it takes a culture to create them. They were not made in a lab by a mad scientist. Its all of society that is to blame. We are to blame. We need to change our culture or this will continue.
Iconic.
Word.
A friend experienced a similar rape culture while getting a PhD at another Ivy League school. They are correct, letting people resign and retire won't change a thing.
Yes! At least they launched an investigation and were supposed to fire them. Hope there's no next time, but if there is, then they should be fired
I don't know why people think that this is an unusual story. The education sector in the West is full of such stories. It exists across all levels from primary school to university level. One influential American educationist told me that the post doc scene is "full of sex". One can complain, put one's career at risk, and investigations are launched, matters reach to the top, and nothing gets done. The perpetrators keep their job, the institutions hire expensive barristers to shut up people, reports of misdemeanor are never shared with the public because the Board itself is full of people with vested interests and the complainant is left devastated, because essentially they can't pursue the matter publicly because of lack of funds & will power to challenge the institution. Cease & Desist letters, Defamation threats, NDAs all are used to protect the Board & the institutions. Laws are used to prevent justice being delivered, rather than for it to be served, especially, to the weak and the poor.
Well…..unless there is enough evidence for a criminal investigation and prosecution, an educational institution has to investigate thoroughly to avoid being sued, and that takes time.
The man who retired is off campus- without access to victims- that’s a big deal. The two who resigned will be looking for other jobs….and people will ask questions…..who resigns tenure at Dartmouth for a good reason? Nobody!
So it’s maybe more effective than you think. Plus, other tenured professors will have heard about this, and maybe reined in their activities, and other colleges became more aware- maybe having a serious talk with staff who commonly socialise and drink to excess with students- and predatory behaviour is being stopped much earlier in its tracks.
I don't know why it does not end up on criminal charges against these men.
They get away with it partly because it is so astounding that people doubt you at first blush. They are protected by "what -- that cannot be true!" You "must be" struggling in the program and looking for excuses.
And non-drinkers will be labeled "recovered alcoholics." It's quite a system.
After I filed a sexual harassment claim again my professor, David Whisnant at UNC-Chapel Hill, he was allowed to retire. This was in the 90s, and I wasn't at all surprised to subsequently learn that this was a pattern at the university. It was a shameful practice then to not hold these predators accountable and still is now.
I've heard stuff like that still happens at UNC from my friend who used to go there. Like exchanging "favors" for grades
Disgusting
Sorry that you'd to go face injustice.
I’ve sadly heard of a lot of those cases at UNC Chapel Hill
Ah but were you damaged or just annoyed??
Gender-based violence is a plague upon all fields, but male-dominated fields make for extremely vulnerable situations. I applaud these women who bravely chose to shine light on this issue. May your path be light and may your next years bring more accomplishments than you can even envision!
Shame on those who abuse their power to break the careers of young scientists.
And situations like these make women even less likely to pursue male-dominated fields
Abuse and assault is plain wrong. Women are also guilty of gender based violence. Maybe not rape but bullying and lying. The women in every workplace I have been have made it hell, especially for other women. Some women even set up their female colleagues for assault by men. Some women traded sex for grades or promotion or easy assignments. It does not help to exclusively paint women as the victims and men as villains. We need to see organizations as all potentially toxic and in need of reform and better oversight.
Interesting I know many women who went to university in the 1920s and 30s and they said they were well treated by the men. It seems to have gotten worse since the sexual revolution.
Neuroscience has more women than men as PhDs, altho tenured positions are dominated by males but a lot of that is due to age
@@18puppies91good! These brainwashing cults posing as ‘universities’ should go entirely out of business.
For real
I was a phd student at Dartmouth around the same time & remember how hush hush faculty members from other departments were about this when the details first started coming out, which to me was quite counterintuitive. The three professors were first put on indefinite leave *with pay* & were only forced to leave/retire after there was backlash. These women were incredibly courageous.. it's really good to see them moving on - I honestly thought it would be the end of their careers given how toxic the academia world is in general.
That final part of Dartmouth‘s statement, says it all, they should have gone to the police, have them prosecuted and judged by the court.
Idiots…..
@@womenfrom0202 And I read in their statement, shown at the end of this video, Dartmouth still does not acknowledge that they/ the academic department knew about these 3 predator professors for years and had done nothing. I.e., Dartmouth as an institution is still claiming to be 'innocent.'
@@drowe2 You don't seem like you are mentally sound! 🤨🤨🤨
@@womenfrom0202the primary thing trustees of ANY private college are concerned with is protecting the reputation of the institution because that reputation increases enrollments and therefore THE SIZE OF THE TRUST'S ENDOWMENT. Can't do that if they're running to the police every time there's an SA allegation- those are a matter of PUBLIC RECORD, and cease to be within the control of the institution.
@@drowe2Bro, they weren’t there to have fun; they were there to do their work
Thank you for titling the video properly. These are not just women but should be recognized as scientists. They make younger women feel proud to pursue science!
Zzzzzz.... 😂
No, all victims, regardless of gender and profession deserve justice. Being a scientist or janitor shouldn’t make any difference.
@@nb6525 I understand and I agree that all people deserve to be protected from coercion like this. The importance of naming the victims' work is that their careers were used against them and potentially derailed by the harassment. If several NBA players were targeted by their bosses we would identify them by their profession and not by their gender. Their PhDs are meaningful public identifiers.
As you highlight, victims from any profession and perceived status should be protected.
@@robinleler5239what a clear response. I aspire to be as balanced and eloquent as you :)❤
This intimidating and coercive behavior towards women is rampant. As a waitress, I refused a date with a cook in thes restaurant and was threatened with a knife and had all my orders held up or done wrong. Customers were angry with me and did not tip.
What race was he? Be specific.
What a strange question @@31minutesago
Rape culture is everywhere. I'm sorry for what you went through.
@thereisnosanctuary You are being pointlessly racist regarding this question. Men of any nationality, culture, and ethnic background can be coercive and ab usive. You know this, stop pretending you don't.
Were you in a position to bring management into it?
Kudos to the scientists ! It takes immense courage to stand up against academic hierarchy.
Hierarchy and SA
They complained to the college administration and even before they named the professors, the staff knew, that particularly stinks!
There is so much trust in these colleges when students enroll from all over the world. it is unacceptable they let this behavior knowingly go on bcos these 3 brought grants ...
Money is everything in academia. The worst people succeed because they can write grants. And the system accepts it.
The same thing happened to me (twice) at George Washington. If I had had others to back me, I probably would have pushed harder 😢 but the trauma was so bad that my mind erased what happened as too painful
That's not really why they allowed the situation to continue. If it was as simple as the dean or the president of the university sitting in a room with a calculator, it would have been stopped. It's way more about societal beliefs about young women and successful men. And probably also about successful men and women who used to young. In fairness to the university, nobody really knew what was going on except for those 3 faculty - thus the importance of isolating victims. Obviously its best to have a culture where behavior like this is unthinkable, but the real test of any institution is how they respond when a scandal like this becomes public.
@@snowmonster42no, they knew. Remember that the women didn’t mention names, but staff immediately knew who they were talking about? They knew.
@@lisajohnson4744 As someone who has been in similar situations (though I hope not nearly as bad), they didn't *know*. They suspected, they worried, they were concerned by what they saw, but they didn't know. I will note again the importance to the perpetrator of isolating victims. If they are able to do that, then not even the victims know how bad things really are. That's ultimately how these people are able to get away with stuff like this for so long. Once you know, for most people it's easy. Telling what you know is relatively easy, telling what you are concerned about is very difficult. But to your point, anyone who really did know should be named as well. If there is anyone in this category they are what is called "an accesory."
I do not drink alcohol. This was a career problem throughout master's work at school and then again working for corporate. Not drinking ostracizes you and can completely block you from advancing. It's ridiculous.
I made significantly more money when I started drinking. I had children very young, and alcohol didn’t interest me then, so I didn’t drink alcohol until my mid thirties. It was a real eye opener for me and it’s sad.
I thought that Alcohol drinking culture was only a necessary part of business deals Russia... but never in the US and in college... shocking. Watching now in December 2024
I agree, I was sober for about 2 years and everytime I went out and refused a drink it was so bizarre how upset people were with me, especially the men. People would ask me are you sick? Are you pregnant? Are you an alcoholic? They would keep pressuring me to just have one. Just a shot. Non stop pressure to the point that I just stopped going out.
Damn that's absolutely abominable.
@@TheSweetestCocoaThe ones who protest the most are usually the ones with alcoholism. It’s actually saving you time because now you know what to expect from them.
When my teachers were talking to me about applying to an Ivy League school in 1979, I was warned not to apply to Dartmouth because the harassment and drinking culture was part of the school's reputation.
wow!
So where did you go that didn't have a culture of partying/drinking? (McGill '84, Thayer'95)
Maybe because Animal House had just come out the year before.
"Dartmouth had no prior knowledge of misconduct" 14:36 while the chairs of the department knew immediately which professors they were talking about without the women mentioning their names... Thank you so much for speaking up and inspiring others. It is horrible how commonplace this is. We see with cases like this and Gisèle Pelicot's that many men within a certain environment are complicit in this type of behaviour.
Fellow scientist (and woman) and recent PhD graduate here. I applaud these women!!! These men are TRASH! Women belong in STEM and academia and we must stick together and support each other so this toxic academia culture ceases to exist.
exactly! i hope females in academia stick together
I never understood stick together. Wouldn't you want good men to stand by you and up to abusers, as they will be the next generation to coexist
@@chewy_buccawhy do you assume these things are mutually exclusive?
Why didn't they go to jail? That was abuse.
A trial should be absolutely mandatory. protecting these predators are other predators
Exactly, why nobody is in jail? Is it too late? Then, where is American Massad? There should be one. Anonymous Massad that protects unprotected. Fantasy of course, but good to have something to dream about, gives me peace of mind.
Have you seen the legal system in this country for the well-connected and financially well-off? Look at how Trump gamed the system.
I can't believe the university was allowed to investigate itself! 😂. Should be mandatory external investigation.
If it was a civil case then no criminal charges would be brought. However I do agree with your sentiment
I was a victim at a Stirling Uni by a male supervisor and although the uni said they would help they all bowed to him and made it so difficult I had to leave. It destroyed my life and I resent how they manipulated me to keep the peace. Bullying and sexual assault is prevalent in these places and individuals hold so much power no one dare be on your side openly.
I am so sorry you had to go through that.
I’m so sorry ❤
I hope you are doing better. I am there, if you ever need to talk.
I think a huge part of the problem here is the “grants” system- scientists compete for money by “pitching” to funding committees- and anyone who is charismatic and willing to “big up” themselves and their plans is at a major advantage.
Attracting money secures you tenure- so what we have is a system that actively funnels narcissists and psychopaths to the top.
precisely. they types of people most likely to abuse their colleagues and students get prot3cted and promoted
which makes them worse scientists in the end because science is a collaborative work.
The Fed grant money should be able to be retracted if there is evidence of prof asking students to socialize outside of work or working outside 9-5. You can never prove all this touching stuff unless someone has a camera on all the time so just separate work and personal life. Students don't want to spend more time with prof, they need lives so they can marry people their own age. There's also the prob of students being treated as slave labor. They're paid minimum and worked long hours in the lab frequently there by themselves.
The grant system is not the problem. It’s a classic (and appalling) case of successful men in positions of power abusing their authority.
@@andrewatlarge2368 You're think linearly, that the solution only sits at the problem. The grant system is not the problem, but it's the solution to making corrupt men less powerful. They only matter to the unis because their names bring in grant money. If you take than grant money away or reduce it every time that man behaves inappropriately then soon that abuser will be more of a liability than someone to protect.
I graduated from Dartmouth as an undergraduate in 1974 and the heavy drinking culture was always present. There was almost nothing as a graduate program at Dartmouth at the time. I admire and support these women who took legal action against the College. I am ashamed that the College where I was an undergraduate was called to task for allowing this behavior. These women showed great courage.
"We had to put our lives at stake for the impact we wanted to make" Nothing but mad respect for these brave women and dedicated scientists ❤️✊
They should be in jail and without economic benefits. Sexual predators are a constant threat in all areas, unfortunately. I congratulate you, brave women, for your teamwork, your determination and your decision to change things not only for you as women but scientists, but for all women and girls. The struggle continues.... Solidarity and best wishes from Ecuador
Also please report this to the police. These men are gonna try to get similar jobs in the future and they’re gonna start these grooming behaviors over again unless they experience some serious consequences.
Yes….but having resigned from a tenured position at somewhere as prestigious as Dartmouth may well make them unemployable in the US, Canada and Western Europe.
I suppose they might get a job in the Far East, Middle East, or India, but that might happen even if fired. Plus, certainly in the Middle East, their students would all be male.
Unfortunately a lot of the time, the police don’t do anything about it 😞 maybe depends on the place or country.
They won't be able to work for any College or University. They'll have to get a real job. That is plenty of punishment. Lol.
Being a man & a father to 5 yr old daughter, this engrages me. I feel proud & inspired by these women Scholars.
the courage it took these women to expose the academic patriarchy is monumental.
however, much of the progress that women have made over the last decades is,
once again, under threat from incoming federal and state administrations that continue to belittle women,
and actively work to suppress and drag back those gains.
It is the outgoing administration that is/was tearing down advances women have made in the last 50 years of Title IX, particularly in sports.
@@jeffkirchhoff3593 do please explain your reasoning.
Seriously, they put their future and career on the line. I’m so proud of them
As a woman of 70 who experienced this “droit de seigneur” attitude as a young Law student, I’m so sad to see it’s still happening. Thank you for speaking out - it does take a lot of courage for a young woman to do that.
“The supposed right of a feudal lord to have sexual relations with a vassal's bride on her wedding night”
I’m a lawyer and a young woman and this sort of culture is so prevalent in the workplace. Things are said about women that are so …. Insane and it’s still very much a boys club. At least in the area I practice.
Title should be the “rape scandal.” You wouldn’t call murders a hostile work environment.
Something doesn't add up here. If they raped them why are they not rotting in prison? Especially the Indian woman, mentioning she explicitly said no. So what gives?
Alter ego, you’re incredibly neïve about how our institutions and Justice systems work. It very rarely gives Justice to rape victims.
It says “sexual harassment scandal”.
I don't think any of the faculty members were accused of rape, and the women featured here do not mention any such acts.
@@alterego157 A criminal prosecution is very difficult to accomplish for sexual crimes that don’t have an extreme force factor. Criminal charges are under the “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard of evidence, which usually requires lots of physical evidence (dna, bruises, etc). In cases like this it can be very difficult to actually get a conviction because the evidence is largely witness based.
This obviously shouldn’t be the case, but due to how our legal system is set up and how society views sexual misconduct it’s the reality
this made me so sad and scared me as a woman who dream to be a scientist and wants to pursue higher education. when will we get a break ?
There are always pioneers needed. Women couldn’t vote, could own properties until after some of our fire moms struggled and fought for us. So think of who will benefit and please fight.😊
Don't be afraid we need more people like you. There are many solutions to this. An extreme one is to apply only for a lab of female professors if you are concerned.
But in my experience at Cornell it's been very progressive and they go out their way to be accommodating in terms of safety and concerns. My advisor is male that we have diverse staff. We have a very strong group of female professors. Professor Hadas Kress-gazit for example is actually my hero she is really awesome.
My story is actually the opposite. I and a woman from a conservative Asian country and after graduation from my PhD study in the US I moved back to my own country to become a professor. I really miss the time when women and gender minorities/LGBTQ people are empowered over the status quo of cis hetero men. I have to roll back all my progress in personal freedom and confidence when I move back to my own country.
This is such bullshit. These professors should be fired. You all are courageous women.
Misogyny is the problem. DEI and Women’s Studies programs are not. We need much more emphasis on inclusiveness inside historically male institutions.
This is a widespread problem. I experienced it as a grad student where younger male professors married with kids) would show up at social events and drink too much. One in particular would target certain female grad students and try to pick them up when his wife was away. Unfortunately, this guy was my mentor and I ended up requesting a new mentor because of this. An older professor would ask me to type up his papers. While I was seated at a computer, he stood behind me and leaned over the chair. I felt his erection in my back and it was horrifying. To my knowledge, none of us filed complaints because we felt powerless. The department faculty were all male and many of the students were international. This was in the 90's. It was all about power and control. There has to be independent oversight and accountability, at public and private institutions.
Appaling and illegal behavior. I am sorry you experienced this. I hope more students are holding individuals and institutions accountable.
I had the same experience with my thesis advisor at the University of Houston. After 9 months of retraumatizing interviews and tribunal process, he was terminated with 6 months notice and no other repercussions. He could have gotten a job at a nearby University and not have to disclose why he left UH. He was just one cog in a large machine at the school of professors grooming and abusing students (regardless of gender) at the school. I had been promised internships, jobs, publishing, etc. I also had multiple classes with him while the abuse was happening, and that's ultimately how the investigator was able to bring the case forward: creating a hostile learning environment. The physical abuse didn't matter to the committee.
Academia creates a perfect environment for predators and that needs to change.
I'm so very sorry what that professor and University of Houston put you through. Good women and men must work to improve the culture, institutions and laws for people now and in the future. It's hard, but it's worth it.
I was in a bachelor's program in CA for business and the drinking culture made me switch majors.
Everyone went to the bar to drink and do their projects. As I progressed through the program, I wasalmost done with my junior year, drinking became more part of the program. It's how you made friends and how you worked with others. Because I didn't want to, my parts of the project didn't get done in a way that fit in with everyone else's, didn't seem cohesive, and no one wanted to get together at school to complete the projects. The people going for drinks became friends, they'd go to office hours together, they'd develop a relationship with the professor, I felt left behind, I was less known.
It was a wake up call, I was not cut out for such a social work place. I switched to nutrition major and become a dietitian.
Drinking culture pushes out Neurodiverse people -- who are arguably the real geniuses of the group, the Real Scientists.
So much respect for these women for speaking out
It is VERY VERY hard for a faculty member to sue these colleges, much more difficult for a student, and a woman to sue them. This needs to change. Faculty can't be allowed to retire to escape culpability, and the same goes for Police persons.
As a 30 year old woman, I realize that almost all of my friends have faced sexual harassment in different forms. some sexual harassment practices are normalized by people around me, either because they lack knowledge or awareness about the harmful consequences of these behaviors or because they lack power to correct them. Usually, women in my country don't receive good education about sex and sexual harassment; most of them once face with those dangerous or shameful situations tried to be silent and protect their jobs or their faces by being silent. Some young girls don't even recognize the red flags from toxic men around them; the worst case is they are raped and feel like that is their fault. I have sisters and cousins who are young girls so I try to teach them about sexual harassment and what they should do when they are raped. Still, I feel so bad as a women who wants to become a data scientist. The fact that fields dominated by men are quite hostile and dangerous to women is discouraged to us. I wish men should realize that there are members in their species pose so much threats to us and build walls to keep women out of her freedom and success.
I’m so glad they spoke out about it, must’ve been hard.
Got into a PhD program at Dartmouth, contacted some students and they told me to join any university but this because the environment is bad and people are sexist…
So the rapists don't go to prison? Retirement is a way to commit crimes without consequences??? Is that the lesson??
It is really unbelievable how proud Darthmouth is in their response. They are so proud that they revoked the tenure of sexual predators with countless victims. Calling it unprecedented and not acknowledging they just let one of them retire, like any other person. They are shameless like many higher education institutions. Think what happens when it is one or two victims, or actions stay at kissing and touching. These institutions are breeding places for this type of behavior precisely because they do not take any responsibility beyond "investigating". Huge thanks to these brave women who continue to speak up and tell their story.
I did my PhD at Dartmouth around this time, in an adjacent research program, and was troubled by what I heard. So proud of these women for standing up and thank you from a fellow (female) Dartmouth scientist for not allowing it to go on, especially in the face of real risk. ❤
There should be a lawsuit for this sexual predatory behavior. Good the school fired the criminals. BUT, why isn't this in the legal system? It will continue as long as there is no real accountability. This was premeditated and organized crime.
They were Not fired! Two Resigned and one Retired!
Great video. I agree change requires collective effort. I got my masters at Dartmouth in 1993 and have lived one town north ever since. Dartmouth College grew out of our early American patriarchal culture and has built vast corporate wealth from that power. Lately there's been a hazing scandal at a fraternity and the victim has been outspoken and visible. He is brave. In a Women's Studies class I took at Dartmouth some students shared their experiences of physical assault/rape attending fraternity parties here and at other schools. Alcohol was definitely a catalyst in those situations. It was devastating to know their pain and humiliation but important for healing. I always wonder why the school hasn't abolished fraternities after so many incidents over generations. My guess is that some wealthy alumni would withhold financial gifts. It's always about power and wealth and it's a long game.
Not just at colleges, my high school English teacher kept asking any pretty girl who took his senior level class to go to the beach with him to drink whiskey as soon as they turned 18. Everybody knew about it, the administration definitely knew about it, but he didn't get fired until the parents started making a scene at every single board meeting 3 years after I left. Even then the principal called it a "witch hunt".
There must be structures like Title IX in place to FORCE action against predatory men and women, otherwise administrators care more about not rocking their own boat. Disgusting is the correct word here.
wtf? did any of them go??
Thank you for your individual bravery and I am so grateful that each and every one of you managed to move beyond that horrific situation. You all are truly amazing.
Thank you for coming forward with this story!!
I’m glad they spoke out, you all are and will always be yourselves and not defined by what has been done to you
Thank you for the video, it's very crucial. Admire their courage.
I'm reaching the end of a career as a historian. One of my biggest disappointments with academia has been its inability / unwillingness to end the kind of abuses that this video discusses. As a grad student in the 1980s and '90s, I was well aware that there were (overwhelmingly, but not only) male professors who engaged in various forms of SA toward their (largely, but not only) female students. But I honestly believed that universities were finally coming to terms with this problem and that it would soon be behind us. But it has very much continued over the last three decades. And, what's worse, there are now forces outside the academy trying to make it harder for institutions to keep students and other vulnerable members of the academic community safe. When you see politicians and others denouncing DEI and "woke," they are, among other things, running interference for the kind of rape culture that the brave young scientists in this video fought against.
I am really thankful for these women to come out and tell their stories. Now I won't apply to Dartmouth
Wherever you apply, ask to talk to current graduate students. Ask pointed questions about what it is like to work and study in their program, and with their specific advisor. Think about whether this is a match for how you would like to work over the next 4+ years. Good luck.
@@kathrynturnbull990 ty that really helps me a lot right now
This was great. Would like to know how many female scientists left their studies, what estimates there are of this program nationally, if women studying the hard sciences experience this type of behavior in undergraduate and high school settings.
Totalmente de acuerdo. Estoy cansada de los idiotas en redes sociales que preguntan con soberbia: "por qué las mujeres no han realizado grandes descubrimientos en la ciencia a comparación de los hombres que sí lo han logrado, si están insertas en el ámbito universitario desde hace décadas?"... bueno, esta podría ser una de las razones junto con el robo intelectual que posiblemente se haya ejecutado en detrimento de mujeres a las que les pertenecen descubrimientos y trabajos científicos.
I'm so happy to see a happy ending and all the women are doing amazing.
They should have been not just fired. Rape is a serious crime. They should be in prison. They deeds are so disgusting. And it happens in many colleges, fields and countries as far as I understand.
Society is not going to change if we as women don't force that change ourselves.
They are so brave to go on Camera and show their abusers too. God Bless Scientific American for covering this abuse of women
I really resonated with the "wanted to remain anonymous because I felt like I was detonating my career". I went through something similar and it was the biggest thing on my mind and caused me the most distressed since I was in my early 20s and an undergrad
I got my PhD in Neuroscience at Emory University in late 2010s. During my PhD I, and many others, experienced various types of abuse ranging from emotional to sexual.
When we reported it, we were silenced, lied to and tricked by the neuroscience dept heads. Nothing happened to our advisors minus the sexual assault case where the advisor silently resigned and an email thanking him was sent from neuroscience dept heads after his departure. 🤯
I personally graduated with ptsd. Horrible. Just horrible. I would NEVER recommend studying neuroscience at Emory.
I’m wondering how many people who viewed the picture of Todd Heatherton were struck by his facial physical resemblance to Harvey Weinstein, as I was. Kudos to these young woman for finding the courage to stand up for their principals.
I felt incredibly sad when I heard about how speaking out as an Indian women has inspired other
Indian women to be courageous to speak out as well. I’ve noticed a push towards conservative values in the gen Z as compared to other generations such as my own (Millennial generation) and this pressure towards keeping women silent and empowering men to be dominant to the point of feeling empowered to make decisions for women within their communities without any real discussion with women about the impact of those decisions on women. So many want to bring up “false rape allegations” but refuse to look at the pressure women face to recant allegations, to never accuse and the fact that even when an investigation has proven without a doubt that it happen, no real consequences take place, and like police officers they can move and apply elsewhere only to keep repeating this violence. It’s a failure on men, not women to keep pressuring women to never come forward while pretending that men are the greatest protectors of women and that’s why they need to subjugate women. But it’s also the failure of men to say that women should be treated like equals but a women’s concern is never treated equal to a man’s concern, despite research showing that a woman is valid in her concerns.
Also, im particularly talking about American culture and how it’s nots too far off in terms of mistreatment as well.
There was a question of harassment by a faculty member in my doctoral program. He was stripped of an office in the building, and was given a smaller place to continue doing sone research so the students he had taken in could finish. This was in the 90's. He was pushed into a type of early retirement, but a lot of what happened was covered up.
Im an undergrad research assistant at a middle of the road college, this isn't exclusive to ivy leagues. I hear chatter everywhere about power dynamic exploitation. It's a symptom of societal inequality, the bigger issue needs to be addressed.
Same thing is happening in Portugal with Boaventura de Souza Santos. University doesn't want to let go their most acclaimed researcher even after he sexually assaulted many scholars :(
Important to shed light that this happens in academia and science, good job scientific American!
The fact that the faculty knew exactly who they were talking about with names being mentioned says it all. And it makes me wonder how many other women perhaps gave up, blamed themselves etc…😢
North Carolina State University has/had a problem Science Professor that has/had been sexually harassing female undergraduates for decades. The last I heard in 2010, a femaie student complained and was advised to leave the school. She was very close to graduation and the episode threw a huge wrench into her timetable. She had to finish her degree 'off campus.' A friend of mine was giving counsel to this young woman because she didn't have a family to support her (i.e., perfect grooming target), and never revealed to me her name or the name of the professor or I'd include his name herein
My organic chemistry professor had a house right next to campus, invited the undergrad girls over all the time. I don't know exactly what happened there but he had an impressive expensive wine collection. I knew several of the girls well and you know how they felt about him? They loved him and the attention. He was the most popular professor at the school. Small university in Minneapolis. True story
@@Mnil52doesn’t make it right wether they liked the attention or not
@Mnil52 He must be good-looking.
I wonder whether the situation of limitations has run out in her case. If not, she should consider suing the University. Real psychological, physical and educational harm was done.
In healthcare I had a colleague who was wildly overqualified as a PhD Chemist. She had left the field due to discrimination and suppression. Our then manager was very insecure in her role and constantly gave my colleague a hard time. A tremendous resource wasted due to oppressiveness.
Brava to the persistent and persistently curious women who stood TOGETHER and forced change.
When will men (and yes, it can be women too) in positions of power realise that people way below them in the hierarchy, who may be legally, physically and chronologically adults, are owed a duty of care and that with your power comes responsibility?
You are “in loco parentis” as a teacher, no matter the age of the student, and just as if you were a parent and they your children, all sexual behaviour- even talk- is off limits.
Also, exactly like a parent, you should not be out of control yourself around your kids/students- so that means not drinking with them or even socialising with them- outside of formal institutional events like an “Annual Dinner” type thing, and then confine your drinking to a bare minimum.
This culture of predation is unacceptable. How many people have been chased away by monsters like this?
I’m glad I ran across this. I read The NY Times every single day and had never heard about this story. I have great admiration for their courage, as well as for their intelligence and resilience.
NYT is fictional. Most of it is fake news.
Thank you ladies for suing this institution!!!!!
This video ought to be sent to all those men who go around asking victim blaming questions like "why didn't you speak up sooner or at all?", "why didn't you fight hard enough?".. we DID. But many of these creeps are already too powerful and too well connected to be able to make a dent against them and it doesn't help that your fellow "bros" stay silent and do nothing while the rest of you victim blame and victim shame us.
So proud of the women for speaking up on this topic
I highly recommend the 2015 documentary "The Hunting Ground" which examines the pervasiveness of sexual assault and harassment on college campuses nationwide -- and, more importantly, the unwillingness of university "leadership" (& I use that term lightly) to acknowledge incidents or not victim blame/shame.
I'm in the Dartmouth community and we were disgusted wirh the actions of these " professors". Very brave women and predation in academia is rampant.
Proud of the girls for standing up for themselves and exposing those sexual abusers
These women are so incredibly strong in so many ways! Bless them for standing up to stop this!!
Thank you for taking the time and resources to make this film. This is a wide spread problem in academia. I know because it was present when I was a graduate student and in at least one university where I taught.
This video makes me proud to be a SciAm subscriber. Thank you for your journalism.
Predator professors are as common as predator priests.
predators are common period
These women are so brave, I am so sorry you had to go through this and I am so glad you found each other. That they could support each other and win some measure of justice
They deserve the utmost respect for standing up to these predators and the institution that protects them.
The "no prior knowledge" response from Dartmouth is frankly disgusting.
The sick part is that people like this are just doing it for the thrill, since they know that they can abuse their power and there will be few repercussions
whatever happened to that Penn neuro professor almost 20 years ago, the one who moved one of his PhD students from China who couldn't afford housing . . . into his house . . . where he lived with his wife . . . then got her pregnant . . . then divorced his wife?
these men looks so fucking creepy too
The board, directors and senior management of Dartmouth College should be held accountable for this. The ladies should initiate civil claim against those so called professors who should have their degrees stripped from them
The drinking and frat culture at Dartmouth totally exacerbates the problem of harassment and predatory behavior. The institution should immediately adopt a dry campus
Why cant men just keave us alone.
Because when we do, the other half complain we are leaving you alone. lol. But seriously, why are you seemingly turning a blind eye on all the female teacher sexual predators we continually hear about? They very rarely get jail time even after legit trials.
If the three former Dartmouth professors are so comfortable harassing women trying to get an education, there’s absolutely no reason there names shouldn’t be shared.
Their names are Todd Heatherton, William Kelley and Paul Whalen.
"I was worried about not being seen as a Scientist"
Journalists: let's call it "The Scientists vs. Dartmouth"
Solid power move, guys 💖
Strong women change the world
These men are able to molest women for years because their victims feel shamed into silence, giving their assailants the liberty to keep perpetrating harm on new victims. Gisele Pelicot flipped the script with her public trial. Women everywhere can learn from her example.
what a terrifying scenario, to be at that point in your career in a profession reliant so heavily on reputation and connections. I'm glad these women were able to sue, but I'm not happy with Dartmouth's stated response here. 1.5m donation to some nonprofit is meaningless when the problem is their culture and faculty.
Thank you for naming all three former professors. Students should never drink with their professors... period. Colleges need to reprimand professors who engage in drinking with their students. I had a married drunk professor come onto me in the 80s during a field study. Fortunately I had a good friend who blocked him out for the rest of the trip.
Really happy to see this kind of content coming from a reputable and well recognized source, it really adds weight to what these scientists experienced. Well, they should be believed on their own merits, unfortunately in our society, the extra weight helps drive home the point that this is a reality for far too many people.
this is crazy! I am a scientist and cannot imagine such working environment. Lab work usually have late hours and we share small spaces with others in microscope etc room. Girls are brave to speak up
But Dartmouth knew who the professors were before being told so they did have prior knowledge.They lie shamelessly.
“Dartmouth had no prior knowledge of misconduct….”??? Yet when the women went to them about the situation and *didn’t mention names* (!!) they immediately knew who was being talked about. Dartmouth knew and chose not to act until they were forced.
Its so important for women to help women. If you see a woman being targeted offer help. Don't wait for them to ask first. They might say they don't want it, but offering help means the world.
Thank you for sharing the courageous story.
The second most disheartening part of this story, after the danger and fear these young women experienced is the reaction after they're reporting. Administration knew who they were reporting, without the women saying the names. Administration knew, and did absolutely nothing. No warnings, on investigation, no firings, nada.
Shame on Dartmouth for turning your gaze, and pretending there was nothing you could do.
So... no legal action taken against the perpetrators? They...walk away?
The powers are shifting. The patriarchy can't get away from the harm it has been causing. Everyone deserves opportunity, and to be empowered. We need eachother.
The patriarchy does not exist, especially not in the United States.