This is INFURIATING! Chernobyl 1x1 Reaction
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My first time watching Chernobyl 1x1 (2019). This show is off to an INCREDIBLE START. It's so infuriating how this unfold, but wow what a show! I hope you enjoyed my Chernobyl Episode 1 reaction & commentary
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Big thanks for watching! Please let me know YOUR thoughts on the first episode of Chernobyl.
Do your own research and fact-check every claim made by this show for yourself.
you are better seeing the discovery channel documentaries. where even gorbachov admits all what you see on chernobyl is real and they messed up because the life of the russian is non-important to the soviet union and currently Putin's goverment.
It’s a masterpiece of horror. Chernobyl was a product of negligence, both in engineering and operation. Fortunately the failure experienced by Chernobyl is impossible with modern reactor designs.
In case you want to read the official report into what happened and the causes:
www-pub.iaea.org/mtcd/publications/pdf/pub913e_web.pdf
@@papalaz4444244 there are some things that this does get wrong. The people who made the show actually made a podcast about what they changed and what is wrong.
In terms of the technical side, that is very close to what actually happened. When it comes to certain social aspects it deviates more.
12:07 cut the internet. Yes government can do that.
Paul Ritter, who did such a wonderfully hate-able job as Dyatlov, sadly died of a brain tumor just two years after this series, when the role appeared set to launch a whole new phase of his career which until then had mostly been in sitcoms.
Lovely bit of irradiated squirrel!
Part of what makes it so effective to me is how relevant it is to today's world. It took place in the '80s in the Soviet Union, yet somehow that whole 'downplay the danger so the party doesn't look bad' mentality was still very much alive and well in recent times. The players may change but the game doesn't. I also like how in this series just when you think things can't get worse, they do.
Man, it's definitely SUPER frustrating - but you hear multiple people say "it's not possible" for the core to explode and you can kind of understand why some of them are just... not believing it at all. It's like their brains just won't allow them to think something they believe isn't possible actually happened, and it MUST be people just being sick or crazy. It's insane what our brains do sometimes. :(
But also - thank you for saying that no one really knows how they'd react in any of these situations. Unless you're in that position, being told the impossible happened, you can't really know. You can guess what you'd do, but humans are weird. You never really know. 🤷🏻♀ It's like being in a fight or flight situation - you don't really know what your brain and body are going to do until it happens.
There’s also a lot of emotional investment in believing that the situation is less severe than it is. The consequences of the core having exploded are dire and will be seen as the show progresses. You wouldn’t want to believe what’s happened if for no other reason than what it means will happen to you.
@@wackyvorlon Yep! Absolutely that too.
But you studied nuclear engineering years and was being told it is impossible by the laws of physics. The system is designed in a way that "it is not possible", so it made the most sense for them, simply because they had not all informations. You build on what you know. But also, it the society, you could fall hard if not following orders.. not to gulag as in 50s but still fall hard. You now have two strong mantinels in your mind to traverse the space of all possible explanations before you even start really thinking.. true "free thinkers imagining every possibility, every cause and every possible explanations" are rare, it is also not even mathematically possible. Recommend short story Three Worlds Collide to explore cold rationalistic thinking - and then try to apply that in scenario of nuclear catastrophe in soviet union basically meters away from you.
There's an accompanying podcast for the series that is worth a listen as you work through them. In it the writer explains where and why they used dramatic licence etc and where not. But yes, infuriating is the best summary of the series and the reality of the Soviet response.
And the Soviet engineering. This plant was a bad design from the start.
One quick thing about Chernobyl that will be very important for you to keep in mind is this...as far as all of the people working at Chernobyl are concerned, the reactor is so safe that no containment structure is needed around the reactor, and that it is physically impossible for an RBMK reactor to explode. In addition, pretty much everybody in the USSR is told by the state that their nuclear power program is so safe that effectively no precautions against any potential disaster are actually required, and no planning in advance for any possible emergency is done. And the word of the Soviet State is considered to be as good as scientifically verified fact.💯
One of the many reasons why watching this series makes one feel anxious is the soundtrack. The composer recorded sounds from a nuclear reactor room and incorporated it into the soundtrack. It's unsettling
So difficult to watch, but as others here have said, I think this is the best limited series I’ve ever seen.
I can't imagine that feeling of knowing that you're gonna die and there's no going back.
You need to remember, this is set in the Soviet Union. Not the /worst/ era but everyone has memories of parents of Grandparents, Friends, Teachers, Doctors, etc, etc being 'Collected' in the middle of the night, for denying something the State says is fact. Ask an unwanted question and the KGB will start to follow you, why? Because they were following the person you asked. So Dyatlov had to assume one or more people there would report to the KGB and anything he said or did counter to their information on how RBMK reactors are flawless, could mean prison, a bullet, total isolation or more.
I'm not sure if he was quite as 'Assholey' about it as depicted here.
From 'The Death of Stalin'
"Sorry, these are the best ice hockey players we could find after the crash".
"What crash? Was there a crash? Soviet planes do not crash!"
Stalin's own Son trying to avoid telling his Father a plane load of hockey players had died in a crash.
The film is funnier than I've likely made it sound, well worth watching for a comedic but realistic look at Soviet life under Stalin.
I remember the event. Was born in Helsinki, in early 80's, which at the time was 60 miles from the empire. Gorbatchov called the president of Finland and said get your people some iodine, fallout is coming. Citizens of the empire didn't get a warning. We were on lockdown for three days. Mum said air outside is toxic. I couldn't understand, but I could tell she was scared, which scared me.
My friend's parents- they were university professors- knew something was wrong well before it was admitted because the geiger counters in the science departments were going insane.
They didn't say anything to anyone because they were too afraid of what would happen if they did.
This show was SOMETHING else. Amazing.
0:25, I've watched a lot of people react to this series. You are one of the few who actually knew what it was about. As a person in my mid 50's, I'm really amazed that so few adults seem to know about this event.
cause its not taught in school....
This mini series is amazing! So many emotions! I remember I was in middle school when this happened, and I really didn't understand the impact of it all until I was well into my adulthood.
SO GLAD you're watching this series. I truly think this is one of the best television shows ever made. It's so horrifying and bleak, but the performances are amazing, and the subject matter so important.
It is definitely an experience!
My dad was not allowed to play outside when he was a kid at the time , we live in Germany. It found it's way over to us. To this day it is not 100% save to eat mushrooms we find in our woods because of the chance it could have radiation
The man in charge that night was Dyatlof. This reaction caused me so much anxiety. Truly heart breaking but well done. Thank you good luck
My grandmother told me this was a very scary time to be alive. they feared the reactor would light up like a volcano, spewing radiation for dozens or possibly hundreds of miles. the evacuation zone would have been massive. entire cities abandoned and millions left homeless with the possibility that the radiated clouds could travel overseas to the united states. MIGHT. they weren't sure they would spread that far, but the possibility still wasn't 0%
Such a great series! Super looking forward to this.
There was a lot of willful ignorance here, but they aren't wrong in regards to "The core can't explode, that's impossible." At the time, that's what everyone else thought too.
The bit at the end with the bird falling out of the sky and dying. - Radiation effects small creatures faster and more greviously than bigger creatures. And guess what we just saw in the same scene? - Lots of little kids, on their way to school...
Such a horrifying effect.
08:29 this commentary caught me so off guard but it is SO accurate. That man was deep asleep
Listening to the podcast, there has never been a nuclear plant explosion before. The general public didn't know how harmful it would be.
I like to define this series as "horrifyingly fascinating." Also, pay attention to Boris and his characterization. He's easily my favorite character due to his arc.
The acting on all parts in this show is simply phenomenal.
Yes, watching Boris throughout this show was a treat.
Probably the last of the great HBO series, now that Warner Bros is running things directly. And man, is this series good. First human instinct: point the finger at someone, something, anything, else, and this show is a clinic on that. Looking forward to your increasing frustration on the next episode!
I was in college when this happened. The Soviets said it was no big deal, so I went on my trip to Europe. I was in West Berlin when people started realizing how bad it was. They could have killed everyone in Europe.
Literally, I just went and got a drink. I need it after remembering this.
This mini-series is so important.
This is why covering ip mistakes can be so problematic. It’s never just about you.
'Old man with a cool cane, the voice of reason' ..... 😄Yes, yes he is.
I was 4 when it happened. And live only about 140 metric miles from Chernobyl. Small as I were, I still remember the adults around me being paranoid about wind when it came from the "wrong" direction. And that the picking of mushrooms in the fall that were a family tradition got put on hold for years. Luckily, not a lot of radiation came over here, at least not enough to make people sick.
But yeah, all of northern Europe were in a state of constant paranoia about it. And it made an impression on all of us who were kids back then.
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There is an old saying, "I can speak without fear of contradiction." that is spoken at trials where there is only one survivor. I think that is what was happening. He knew the core had exploded and was killing off anyone who might contradict whatever testimony he came up with to cover himself.
Such a tough watch but an amazingly good show. The amount of denial is astounding. Of course no one wants to believe something this terrible has happened, but if you're in charge of handling the situation you need to respond according to the situation not according to your hopes of the situation. That's like if you call the police because someone breaks into your house with a weapon and they ask if you've actually been attacked yet. No point responding until we know the outcome even if the worst is possible or probable lol.
"is that guy watching him?" ... well... it's the Soviet Union, so, yes... they're always watching
A lot of people don't understand what Dyatlov is SO stubborn and willfully ignorant and they blame him for having some kind of character defect or narcissism... the truth is... he just knows how the system in the USSR works. He knows that failure, of any kind, will be severely punished. He knows that the party line in Communist Russia is that everything is always peachy and nothing goes wrong, and that you are supposed to act as if this is the reality even when the opposite reality is staring you in the face. He knows that no matter what, the truth doesn't matter, that if anything goes wrong, there will be scapegoats and people thrown under the bus and he knows that he's likely to be one of them, whether he acts responsibly or not. He has been beaten into submission by a screwed up system that rewards willful ignorance and obedience, and loyalty to party and to the lie of Communist utopia.
Very similar thing happened in Mao Tse Tung's China... after they forced through huge but stupid agricultural and land reforms, the amount of rice being produced was a fraction of what it used to be. But the local party officials knew that they HAD to report that the rice output was not smaller, but in fact much larger, thanks to the wonders of Communism and Mao's enlightened leadership. So they LIED, and reported that yields were 50%, 100%, or 200% larger than they actually were. Problem with this is that they had to send a percentage as tax back to Beijing. But since the harvest was in reality so POOR... they ended up having to send not a portion of the yield but ALL of it to the capital. Leaving nothing to eat in the country. Somewhere between 10-50 million people starved to death as a result. Many more died for things like being executed for trying to hide a few grains of rice for themselves or their family, in stead of handing it over to the government...
I would say that at least as he's depicted here, Dyatlov come across as both. He's the product of a paranoid state with an extremely intense but paradoxically ineffective machine of accountability ... AND he ALSO happens to be an especially nasty, stupid man.
when it comes to the fire fighters it was probably best that the didn't know what the situation is. . there was nothing they really coulda done to protect themselves and had they known there probably woulda have been many who wouldnt have shown up to help.. making the problem worse
This is an amazing series so glad you’re reacting to this!!!
i woupd recomend watching the 2006 documentary: Battle for Chernobyl after you watch this series, it has actual footage of the plant after the explosion and more
Chris, remind yoursef throughout your Chernobyl reactions that these individuals are in 1980s Soviet Union. KGB disappeared people who went against or spoke out against the state. Anything that would make the Soviet Union look bad or any admittance of failure was not allowed. Then you have a framework for the characters' reactions in this series and also understand the heroism and bravery of those that chose to tell the truth. Unfortunately there was no "you'd think they'd do this..." or "you'd expect a sane person to take this action' in this particular time and place for a majority of people making the decisions.
Great series! Thanks Chris!
The atmosphere, sound design and soundtrack are haunting.
I have watched this series a ton of times. I was a mid teen during these worrying times. I'm eagerly anticipating watching this on your channel 👍
The thing to understand b out people like Dyatlof, in that time, Soviet Russia... That kind of mistake was going to mean you went to the Gulags, or were executed. The way Soviet Russia worked was absolute Hell for people with any responsibility. Some people might say 'good" but the reality is it made a lot of people CYA and pass the blame off whenever possible. Chernobyl effectively ended the Soviet Union. If it hadn't happened it's entirely possible the USSR would still be around today. It wasn't the financial damage is caused, it was the social and cultural damage it caused. Everything the accused the western enemy of being, they ended up being. Lies, deceit, massive incompetence, and death.
This series is the best thing I've ever watched on TV. Period, bar none, end of statement.
Chernobyl: The Lost Tapes is on HBO Max as well. It has real footage from back then. Would be worth a watch after this.
have you seen the 2006 documentary : Battle for Chernobyl? that has quite a bit of real footage in it
Man. BSG has its ups and downs like all TV shows, but it’s ups are some of the best television ever made.
And you must admit that hindsight is a wonderful thing too. Not that I'm condoning what they did (or didn't do).
Very true! We would all make better decisions if we could rely on hindsight.
Why is a banana Dyatlov's least favorite fruit? Because there is no core!... budum tsss. I'll see myself out...
Quality joke though… 😅👏
I'm going to drop some info on a non-spoiler basis. Dyatlov really was like that according to his survivng colleagues. Not all the time, but enough. He threatened people's jobs
The sound track is the processed sound of the world's last RMBK reactor, in Lithuania, which was being decomissioned as a precondition for its membership in the EU. Concerning the denial: you have to pretend that the Soviet Union was a worker's paradise, and if you raised an issue, it was all your fault. They set out to build a tractor factor. Work fell behind, but the paperwork procedec on schedule. Finally the fire marshall came to inspect and found a cememt slab.
Concerning the casualness: The Soviets pushed the line that radiation was good, it was a sign of progress, and it the US nukes us, civil defense has it covered.
Oh wow that really did make the sound track so effective. Great detail.
"the world's last RMBK reactor, in Lithuania,"
There are still eight RBMKs operating in Russia. Heck, at the Chernobyl plant, the last reactor wasn't shut down until 2000.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RBMK#List_of_RBMK_reactors
Yeah, yeah, yeah Chris did it. Welcome to the show. 🎉 I assume to that hour you have already watched at least one more episodes of Chernobyl. It’s getting horrifying.. as an emphatic guy I take you, you gonna cry a lot until the end.😢 What will be shown , to nature and the people and the narration of all of it. What the ordinary people know today about radiation we learned drastically from Chernobyl. At the times of the Cold War it was the usual habit to follow the chain of command. One is the leader and the last one is the poor guy who is to blame what happened. Therefore, nobody wanted to report mistakes and failures in the first place, when not having someone else to..
oh I cannot wait to see your reactions to the next 4 episodes. I have no doubts, you’ll be pleased. Not reconciled with what happened but with the series.
I May have finished the show and edited every episode before I released it :) I am so excited to share each episode here.
This series gives me frickin anxiety, but it's so good. I mean, when you know what happened, but it's still terrifying... that's how terrifying it is.
I remember thinking that despite them saying 3.6 wasn't too bad, if that was the limit of the easily accessible dosimeters then logically it must be a significant number, such as a point at which you need to evacuate and escalate the containment procedures in some way. There would be no point having them if they just give a number that it's relatively safe to be around.
You 100% nailed this.
new sub here. I like your style. keep being real.
Thanks JoAnne, welcome to the channel!
Good edit--it holds the story threads together. (I initially complained about background music but it turns out that was my fault)
Yeah. Get Ready.
You're in for a wild (and horrifying, heartwrenching, infuriating) but ultimately satisfying ride.
Perfectly encapsulates watching this show.
It’s kinda like the “unsinkable” Titanic….this ship can’t sink! Oh yeah? Buckle up, buttercup!
Best "horror" show of the last few years. Terrifying
12:07 cut the internet. Yes government can do that.
Dyatlov refused to acknowledge that the core exploded until the day he died. Literally deluded himself about it. Which, he never should have been there in the first place given he was involved in a smaller nuclear incident before this as well.
the thing is, dyatlov was an asshole, but he (along with all of them) thought the reactor couldn't explode. Never. Not even in theory. That's (partially) why all the higher ups were so stubborn and adamant that it couldn't have happened. That's why the boss asks the guy tell me how does the RBMK reactor explode. It was just unconcieveable.
Grabs popcorn...
If I was restricted to describing this show with one word, the most accurate would be....
HAUNTING
It's such an angering series - episode after episode. I don't know if my cumulative bile is why I get more angry with each, or if each episode is truly worth a greater anger on it's own. Horrifying. Angering. The one great feature is that, to a large extent, the filmmakers acknowledge their skips and hops, their accumulated characters distilled into one or a few.
I noticed you are taking notes. That is good. But know this. You will see things that will be hard to put down on paper.
This is the Soviet Union, a nation obsessed with security and compartmentalization of damaging knowledge.
The civilians know that the power plant generates power. They have no clue what a nuclear power plant is. It has never been explained to them how deadly an accident at a nuclear power plant can be. The firemen were never informed the fire *possibly* involves the core, which means that ANYTHING they find in the air & on the ground is deadly toxic to humans! The firemen have absolutely NO radiation gear to put on!!
I love the way this series is structured. We don't get the explanation -- and the fatal flaw of the reactors -- until Episode 5.
Soviets maintained this myth that disasters only happen in "decedent" capitalist nations. Mass murderers are only in capitalistic nations. Social unrest is only in capitalistic nations. Engineering disasters are only in capitalistic nations.
Soviet technology is inherently superior & can "never" fail...because the Soviet Union is "paradise."
Chernobyl was the one test that, in my opinion, Gorbachev failed. The disaster transpired while he was pushing this new international narrative of Openness & Truthfulness...but as soon as there's a nuclear disaster, out comes the old, paranoid Soviet Union!
This a really amazing series...one of the best ever made...but the producers did get some things wrong. Some things were changed intentionally for the purposes of storytelling, and the makers of the series put in a series of notes at the end of the last episode of the series explaining some of them. However, I do recommend you check out the History vs Hollywood article on Chernobyl when you are done watching the whole series, so you can find out about the other things that the producers got wrong that they do not admit to. Definitely wait until you are done with the series so you do not spoil anything for yourself. ✌💯
And I hope that this comment does not get deleted...it has been on other channels. 🤞✌
The notes at the end were my favorite part 😅 I'll definitely check out the article thanks! Hopefully the show stays, The whole show has ben uploaded for a full week with this one been up 2 already so hopefully they won't remove it.
@@CasualNerdReactions there’s also an amazing podcast that you can listen to episode by episode that is VERY informative. Definitely suggest you check it out. It’s made by the creators.
You must remember that these events at Chernobyl didnt occur in any democratic country, but in Soviet Union. It was ruled under the iron fist by the almighty Communist party, to which all the citizens were practically little more than cattle and slave-labour for the almighty State and the Party. Whole state was founded on a delusional Marxist ideas, and Communism was officially concidered superior to Capitalism, in every single area in life. So you can imagine how embarrassing and the scale of humiliation the State must have felt, when something like Chernobyl occurred?
FIY The show is pretty exaggerated, It's really good, But they really played up the disaster's reach
You should watch a documentary about it
There were a couple claims that got an unintended laugh from me. You simply cannot have a “3 megaton” steam explosion. You can definitely have a very big one, but 3 megatons is 200 times the yield of the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.
8:06 He's a gynecologist, he's got more interesting stuff to look at
🤣 it’s a good joke.
There are only two proper reactions to this series. Get Angry. Cry.
I go with cry.
Hii.... Hope you're fine.....
I'm back and I'm back because this is the best reaction channel around
dyntalov wasent an bad guy this is one of the things the show had to get right but didnt
They went on the majority of descriptions of Dyatlov, which cast him as difficult and a huge bully.
@@Big_Bag_of_Pus and they are incorrect
Soviet Union, ie Union of Soviet Republics, or as the word Soviet meant in the USSR, Soviet = Trade Union or Worker's Union. The USSR was Syndicalism, more accurately State Syndicalism. Syndicalist believe that through strikes, and cooperation that a State will no longer be necessary and will just dissolve as the Syndicalist will operate outside the State. Issues is, all they end up doing is replacing the old State with their new State. This is why despite the USSR being a Union of Soviet Republics or Union Republics, it became as as bureaucratic as a top down Corporation. Capitalist Money Hording being replaced with Party Privileges but the same sense of selfishness was there. Instead of fighting for a higher wage, they fought over an office chair, a rank on their uniform or a higher position in the Communist Party at anyone else's expense who might get in their way.
This is the fatal flaw I think Socialist and Marxist in general seem to ignore. If you get rid of Capitalism, their idea of a Capitalist doesn't just vanish, because that sense of selfishness is so deeply rooted that you will never get rid of it. Even if you raise people from childhood, brainwash them to be loyal socialist, it's instinctive, you can not remove bribing with a bottle of wine, putting some rubles under the table so the other person turns a blind eye. It's always going to be there.
Socialism literally just turns society into a massive Corporation, and everything we hate about Corporations will be all around us, but in the mask of the Central State instead.
This show is a great introduction to Communism and how these types of regimes function. The State is always right, and you can lose your life if you resist. In the West we're headed down this road as well sadly. As much as i DESPISE Communism, the Soviet people had such an amazing spirit and they sacrificed so much for a country that absolutely placed no value on life. May these heros never be forgotten ❤
So many parallels between how the Soviets handled Chernobyl and how the cult of Trump handled the COVID pandemic. Ignore the problem, deny the problem, downplay the severity of the problem, persecute those telling the truth who went against the lie... all because they're worried about looking bad or losing their grip on power. This is of course how inept autocrats always handle problems.
This is a really really amazing show, though. Some of the best TV ever. Having visiting Chernobyl and Pripyat myself it was pretty eerie seeing everything unfolding. They did an excellent, excellent job making everything look real and authentic and true to life, the locations, the vehicles, even the sounds the telephones make, all spot-on. I recognized many of the building exteriors and interiors from places I had seen in person.
FYI: The cast speak in their own language instead of trying to do an accent and screw it up...
You are looking at this from a place of logic. There was nothing logical about the old Soviet Union. The state was always right and mistakes were often met with severe punishments. The KGB watched everyone, and if something made the USSR look bad, it was denied and covered up immediately. Any attempt to get information that would be relevant outside the chain of command would result in the KGB arresting you and often you would never be heard from again. The guy with the cain was the top dog at that meeting, and you never go against him. That is why everyone was clapping, because to go against him was to go against the State, and that is the biggest crime anyone could commit. China actually operates a lot like this currently and while Russia no longer is like this, Putin wants it to be.
This shows serves as a cautionary take about how far mankind would go to obtain nuclear power, but then, they begin to abuse it.
That’s not the truth at all though. It’s about negligence, and an unwillingness to improve a design that did function but functioned unsafely.
It is a genuine impossibility for modern reactors to fail in the way Chernobyl did.
An amazing show I will never watch again. Have a like but I am not watching.
Definitely makes sense. Thanks for the comment and the like.
I've never seen you so angry in a reaction! Not that I can blame you!!!! I get chills just thinking about some images and scenes: that distant explosion through the window, the poor guy sitting at the table while his bosses continue to berate him (brilliant that we can't hear what they're saying). "Cut the phone lines!" Oh man, what a series. Can't say it gets any easier to watch! (as I'm sure you know by now!). Super psyched for the next episode!!!! PS: How's the new job?!!!
Haha yes this is I think the angriest I got. One episode of squid game did that too in recent memory. Haha
It’s exciting, but slow going. I get to try and make a website on Monday… 😅
Well it's not just the worst nucleae disaster - it's the worst man made disaster in recorded history.
Also - will you be reacting to The Last of Us? Did you ever play the games or do you just know of the story?
I haven't decided yet! I'm starting a new business this year so my time on this channel is a little unpredictable. If I do there's a good chance full lengths will sit on patreon months before it ever makes its way to RUclips. I just started the first game a few months ago, roughly two-thirds through. Plan to finish it this weekend.