or Dunaj/Duna/Danube river which starts in Germany and ends in the Black Sea (approx ~1800 miles/2850km long river), crossing like 10 states. For the US citizens, thats as long as around 28000 american football fields, or crossing over a half the US from East Coast to West Coast.
@@matejbosela9093 The Missouri River, one of its tributaries, is 3,800 (2300/1500) miles from start to gulf of Mexico, crossing through 6 states (actual countries in this case, because thats what our states are) that are roughly comparable to Germany in size as the Missouri, and another 3 as the Mississippi.
I am really hoping Potato will bring another Terra Invicta series to the channel. With all the kinks the game had when he first played, I still feel it was one of the most exciting plays in the channel.
Confucian School is best for 2 mountain tiles so you can have an industry quarter on one side and a confucian school on the other to exploit both the industry and science
To be fair, if you make a game where those kinds of optimizations are necessary, that's a fundamental design problem, or intentional. This game is one of em.
Potato, I gotta say you are basically the only "influencer" that really works on me. You're the sole reason I've bought multiple games (including Humankind). If any advertisers are reading this, SPONSER THIS SPUD.
same here, I'd love to know what are the things that the mod changes. I like humankind as is, I wouldn't mind trying the mod, but I'd like some explanation over what it has that makes it better than vanilla
Heckin love all of tatoes vids. I do have to let him know the Topkapi palace boosts the production of the city it's placed in, so it's best to be put in your strongest production city.
I personally quite enjoy Humankind, although I am well aware of the flaws. My hesistation with these mod packs is the balance changes are sometimes too drastic and can completely change the point of an ability, which goes too far for something with a "vanilla" feel. This modpack has a lot of these changes, especially for tenets and some of the stronger cultures.
True. I dont like those as they are only breaking the game in different way but. QoL is nice to have and some balance changes i really appreciate. But they need to be balanced and have offsets.
Half the cultures are objectively useless in the base game though. Like, you shouldn't be able to look at two cultures side by side and decree "this first one is always objectively better and there is no conceivable world in which the second one is better, even if I had mod tools to hand-pick a world specifically for that purpose". Looking at you, Britain.
@@liuyusi125 The city building is extremely fun when it matters. I also think that war in this game can be a lot more entertaining than civ, as battles can be won over one turn, or a dozen. The way your culture evolves over time is also very satisfying, especially because it makes the mid to late game more interesting. I love the first few eras of civ, but by the time I get into the late game I start to get bored, but in humankind it changes enough for me to still have fun. Other than that civ 5 and 6 are better. Humankind is objectively unbalanced and has the easiest snowballing of any modern 4x ive played. Some cultures are so niche that even if the stars align to make a perfect empire with them, it is STILL BETTER to pick the objectively meta cultures. Some play so well into each other that it not longer is a 4x game, just a tile painting idle game. I also think it suffers from the inability to create tall empires. I've never really had a game of humankind where expanding was bad. Even if you go over your city cap by 2 or 3, you can pick the right culture and skyrocket your influence, so it doesn't matter. Also I find it really easy in the base game to deal with stability by spamming and buffing garrisons until you pick a culture that gives tons of stability. It may not be meta, but it works really well for me. Building 4 late game HALF PRICE garrisons means at least 10 districts without a loss of stability. There is so much potential with the game, but i don't think it will ever reach it.
@@liuyusi125 IMO it is a poor civ6. I just think it was the chronology: Humankind released between civ5 and civ6 and civ5 was somewhat inferior/different or so I think when I bought it thinking it was a civ5 expansion esque game.
Hey Tato! I just wanted to say that I love your videos and I think you're great. I don't care what anyone else says, you're amazing and I learned so much about Civ from you. You give great explanations that are easy to understand and apply. Thanks so much for sharing all of your knowledge and being a fun person to watch.
Humankind is one of those games where the adage "if you come for the king you best not miss" occurred. They marketed as a Civ beater and then got judged extra harsh for not doing so. Now all the dev team can do is catch up for an audience that isn't going to be there in large numbers and is reliant on free modders to do most of the grunt work.
Humankind has its issues but Amplitude _never_ claimed it was a Civ killer. Even in the run-up to launch they have always been incredibly cordial and respectful of Civ and Firaxis and I suspect there's been some cross-pollination of ideas between studios ever since Civ VI introduced districts. The only people who claimed Humankind would "kill" civ were toxic Civ V fanboys who wanted to see VI fail.
@@therexbellator Amplitude has also talked about how they really were honored and annoyed that the title of "civ 7" or "civ killer" or the sort got put on them before they even really said anything.
@@therexbellatorYou know it’s funny you mention Civ 6 cross pollination because Civ 6 didn’t actually introduce districts, Endless Legend (an Amplitude game) did. So Civ 6 and Humankind are both arguably influenced by Endless Legend more than Humankind is influenced by Civ 6.
@@PhoenixStriker1 yeah that's why I phrased it that way; I have a feeling some of the devs from each studio swapped notes and gave each other the go-ahead to implement their respective ideas from their franchise as a gesture of good will. People think competition is always a zero-sum game but it's not, bringing new titles into the space means more opportunities for creative ideas to flourish and propagate. The existence of games like HMK, Old World, Millennia and soon ARA shows the market for 4x games is big enough for Civ and other historical 4x games to co-exist and thrive.
I agree with you about territories following geographical features. It would be cool to be able to build dams, which would form a lake but also dry up opponents rivers if they are downstream.
I was thinking the exact same thing!!! He plays this more like civ with emphasis on districts and constructibles. I might be playing more like his style when I get home hahaha
I will love to try this. I really liked human kind when it was in early access it felt so fresh. But nowadays it has so many frustrating quirks like army fights which took all fun and AI that was using the bad design to advantage
As soon as I saw this video I started watching (commenting at the beginning of my watch). I wanted to like Humankind so much, but it was just so hard to actually enjoy, when Millenia came out and I was describing it to people I said "it's what I wanted Humankind to be". So very keen to see how this improves the game, cause at this point I've tried a few times but never gotten more than a few ages in.
2:56:30 Having excess population causes you excess food usage, as well as lower stability, creating new slots from infrastructure helps offset that problem.
i remember being so hyped for this game when it first came out, havent touched it in 3 years haha. maybe ill give it another shot, are any of the DLC worth it?
Played humankind through gamepass when it first came out and really enjoyed the core gameplay foundations. My second playthrough was on the humankind difficulty which I beat and I haven't touched it since. I think one of its main issues was the lack of a developing complexity, each era felt the same just with different aestetics. Although I haven't played civ in a longtime either, I've been playing alot alot of total war warhammer. Also I had the exact same thoughts on the cliffs and ridges; they add a really nice bit of variety to landscape navigation but the default setting is far too high and becomes frustrating.
12:11 getting a second outpost in the neolict age can be a huge deal, cause you don't have distance penality added to the cost, so you can have second city far, in another spot with good land/resources if you try to claim an outpost more than 5 territories alway from you your already claimed territories you get massive increase in the cost
What does the VIP mod actually change? I am a fair ways in the video and I am still unsure... I don't necessarily want to spend the time on Humankind...again. I really love Endless Space 1 and 2, and I gave Endless Legend and Humankind a chance, but did not end up enjoying either of them.
It rebalances a lot of the mechanics, provides each culture their own constructibles on top of districts, and reworks how the constructibles function and the buffs that come from doctrine
I know it’s a daunting game to get into, but I’d give it a try again if you’re feeling motivated. I personally haven’t stopped playing it since release. I used to go back and forth between this and civ but I now only play Humankind. I really want the Devs to keep pumping content into this game but with the player base right now, I’m afraid it might die off.
Oh wow! Didn’t expect you to make a video response to that reddit thread someone else… paraded?-yeah-on the HUMANKIND subreddit. I’m just glad you’re having a more enjoyable time with the game. Edit: 55:06 Interestingly enough, if you weren’t forgiving all your leverages, they would have instead spawned on the map for any… third-party to grab a hold of them. Though someone else grabbing them doesn’t cancel your ability to still forgive or demand it. 1:05:49 That’s a really cool idea! 1:31:42 Potato’s indecision here was so fun to watch! You can tell he was really invested in the options he had. 2:08:54 About Cultural export: It’s what allows that Independent to change to your ideology, which helps shifts the Congress ideology to your favor-a little bit. But, really, it’s super interesting to see how a much strategy with Envoys potato has been doing in a peaceful game. 2:25:56 Influence. I think what’s killing you here is that the game scaling the influence cost by the total amount of influence you are generating, but without taking to account how much influence you are burning with patronage. It’s unfortunate, but i’m not sure how that can be balanced.
It’s unfortunate that in the name of balancing around limiting Gigantic city quarter spam, the game went the route of inflating the industry costs so high that you needed to opt to pay with influence on outposts (i suspect is a mod feature). Still: thanks for giving this game another chance-especially through this awesome mod! Hopefully that modder sees this video and your call.
I love this! Might actually have to pick up the game 😂 Potato, you said you read the comments. I really like when your games come out in 40ish minute episodes. When you come out with a single video that is two or three hours long, I can seldom find the time to finish the entire thing in one sitting. Unfortunately, that normally means that I don’t finish the video, which is a shame. I really enjoy your content. I always have. I want to keep enjoying and I feel like shorter episodes might help. Love you!
Save to watch for later and you do the 40 fraction sittings yourself. RUclips even saves where you left off. He can only publish once a day if he wants the video to do well, and editing is more work even if to cut the video. Don't be selfishly lazy.
@@raizan5946 oh, and I do. The only reason I commented this was because I thought other people might feel the same. Also I wanted to compliment this video because I really enjoy med it
@@davidfuller06 honestly, it just scares me that he, or any content creator I enjoy, goes for the "too episodic" route. They can but it is a thing I want if it benefits them because they know their audience and not to please youtube algorythm.
Is it possible when you zoom in on a city that you can easily see where, for example, the farms are built? You had it at 1 hour and 15 min during the game. It was suddely on. How did you do that?
I don’t know if you’re up to suffering through another Humankind play through but if you are I’m curious if you’d be willing to try out a game with both VIP and my own mod, Additional Mechanic Complexity. I don’t really know if you’d see it as a viable solution to any of your grievances with HK but I would be curious to get your thoughts on the mod.
I have actually loved Humankind since release, play it alot with my brotyher. Everything we dislike in Civ is not in this game, makes it a way better game for us. Love that you play it again! :D Also, fun to keep winning when most people don't realise you should optimise Fame gain before going to next culture :)))
I play town difficulty and enjoy city building , and "nation watch" the AI fight eachother. These days I play HK more than Civ, I enjoy the district building and how the city looks more so than Civ6.
Has there been any news since the definitive edition was released? They said they would continue working on the game and updating it, does not look like it though.
An idea for balancing production scaling as the game progresses: Create a production bar similar to the population bar. The minimum requirement scales with the number of districts constructed (possibly ignoring emblematic districts, or having some that are exempted as part of their ability), while there would be some level of base cost for districts scaling with era/unlocked relevant tech. Produced industry that is lower penalizes stability and produces locked worker slots (moveable between available slots) with the required deficit percentage for a locked slot getting smaller the more districts a city has. My logic behind this idea is that larger cities take more industry to support and with insufficient industry cannot sustain all of their facilities, and base build costs scaling because better facilities take more to construct. Non-district boosts for cities would scale with the number of districts of the yield they effect within the city, but would not have their base cost altered by tech/era progression.
Now I'm really curious to know what you said in that Patreon post; I feel like it'd read a hell of a lot like my thoughts on the game, lol. Is it still up on your Patreon?
not sure if that still works, but when i was playing humankind, if you put at least 1 turn of production in a 'special' quarter (do not remember how the game call them) like the olmek head, you can carry said buildoption over to the next area(s), thus not losing the benefit for it. BUT i do not know if the mod changes it, or if the devs themselves change it, sicne i haven't played for at least 2 years by now
What caused the change from uploading your playthroughs as a series of episodes to uploading them as singular long videos? I don't have anything against that but to me that change seemed to come out of the blue.
As HK enjoyer, i wholeheartedly agrees...HK is fun when mod is involves. Specifically the Triple Alliance Mod ( VIP + ENC + SCP ). I am curious on your hot take with this mod pack. Does it solves alot of the problem with current base game or not.
I really like the way the tiles look with landscapes and disricts and stuff. What i dont like is the fact that from the middle game i always spend the the time zoomed out and can only see the grey colorless map, i think they should change that.
Yeah Humankind! Honestly like this game more than Civilization because of the shifting nature of the game (until the Huns and Mongols just plow across the entire map and are the major power for two entire eras). Also if you want Mods to try, check out the Civ Beyond Earth "Codex" mod. Really interesting mod that (I think) makes BE an interesting Civ competitor.
Hey potato, I gotta a random game that I just wanted to have fun, however I started with 5 mountain tiles within my spawn location on the ocean. I think you'd like to try it out. Its similar to your scotland game a while ago just without desert. Let me know if your interested
I'll be honest, I like Humankind more than I like Civilization. Humankind was the Civ-killer for me. The combat in Humankind is phenomenal. The territory system is far more reasonable then Civ's tile system. The district system really makes it feel like the city is growing, rather than Civ's stagnant-looking growth system. Obviously, Together We Rule was a horrible update that completely ruined the game, but I honestly am not entertained by Civ anymore because of Humankind. There is no turn-based combat system that I like better than Humankind. No game has given me naval battles like Humankind has.
Enjoyed it but stopped playing a while back partly because of unresolved issues at the time (retreats ignoring zones of control, etc.) but also because despite the raw number of culture combos possible, the actual choices from game to game ended up being limited - maybe that changed though.
There are games that are making players founding out the right settings to play properly and this can be really frustrating, especially if game doesn't give you baseline of how it should feel
Humankind is interesting. The production values are quite good, but somehow... well, an example. Recently I found a big Mod, We the People, for Colonization, a very old game with much poorer graphics than HK. Yet, I was drawn in. My take is that there were many ways of developing your entitiy, and yet there was a sense of stability of identity while playing. I take the time to do something (like build a plantation) and its value stayed with me. In HK I feel like when I change cultures I am starting over. I am not expressing it well, but there it is. Well I shall try again, because of your video (it's YOUR Fault!).
Just I start a new Humankind campaign, and here's Potato makes a new vid, what a day! Love the game and lots of its decisions, especially compared to Civ. Better combat system, versatile cultures, even the fame table is a step up. I still play it a lot, and dont think it needs mods to be good. Not gonna diss tho, mod looks interesting, and could freshen up the feelings. Would like to know what cultures do you think are imba :)
i Really enjoyed humankind but i haven't played enough of it i felt like it was very in depth in comparison to civ but its not fair to compete this games together as i feel they are mostly the same game but astronomically different, in gameplay and how you plan side note i did love the age of wonders 3 gameplay if you ever feel like giving that a go i will definitely watch it I enjoyed the video i didnt enjoy the dad joke 2:33:42 XD
I love the idea of all the mechanics in humankind, but the execution feels wrong. Like the battle system is so much cooler than the civ style imo, but there's so much weird behavior around it that it ends up being infuriating. Same with the region claiming and district building. I love the region system, but claiming vs absorbing vs city founding just doesn't give any interesting results one way or the other. And as far as districting, I hate just paving my empire with cookie cutter buildings where more district is more good; it just makes my empire look ugly and unwieldy. Civ balances that by having fewer tiles with more impact, and giving incentives (via natl parks for example) for leaving some nature intact. I'd love to play humankind again, but I'm going to need a solid breakdown of a mod pack and how it plays to consider going back. I'd love to see you focus on some of that in a video!
i dont think its the same game as what you were talking about but i used to play a similar sounding mobile idle game called like cats and soup i think man i probably had a few hundred hours in that game in total i was really enjoying it then one day i didnt realise that my phone wasnt charging while i had it open because old phone my phone then completely runs out of battery and shuts off when i charge my phone back to life and reopen the game its reset to the start literally all progress gone and when i message the dev support team they basically tell me that its fucked and they cant help at all because my phone is too old and shouldnt even be managing to run the game in the first place which was super cool
3:12:20 It's like in some RPGs with excessive level scaling where when you get stronger the enemies get stronger by as much as you do too, so the power difference ends up being the same, thus you make just as much progress at lvl 1 as on lvl 100. The thing is, if not for level scaling you'd be pumping out all upgrades in 1 turn since the medieval era, since all the bonuses you've stacked up are so ridiculous. As I see it the cost scaling is a crutch that holds up a badly balanced game. In both La Venta and Beijing it took 6 turns to build one nature preserve, even though La Venta had more than 4 times the production. I may be not understanding some things, since I haven't played the game myself, but to the layman's eye the math isn't mathing.
I tried to play some Humankind after watching this and unfortunately, I don't think I've changed my mind on this game because of this mod. It really feels like it punishes you for doing well- By the time I got to Early Modern era, I was well ahead of all of the AI but I was CONSTANTLY dealing with Stability issues despite doing everything in my power to stack Stability. I was just producing so much food that I was getting a pop (typically a good thing in 4x) every single turn, which meant I was constantly dealing with Overcrowding no matter what I tried to do to fix it. My rivals were apparently having issues too, considering every single AI was imploding with constant rebellions from lack of stability.
I am wondering if the reason you aren't having fun origionally was because the game doesn't explain several things. Took me a few games to find my flow and now I really like it. I am always weary of mods as they tend to ruin balance and the ideas of the game. I just hope this is enjoyable for you.
Ah yes, making your favourite content creators appear advertiser unfriendly by posting private messages on a public forum without permission. Classic strategy.
I vividly remember you liked Humankind a lot before release due to its high roleplaying potential. I've come to be quite disappointed with the lack of granularity in the game progression and it drove me away from trying it again and again, as Civ always had me do (and Vic 3 currently does). The difficulty also seems to be very very bugged out. I find very little difference between hamlet and humankind difficulties, since AI pacing and decision making always seemed the same.
I really want to love Humankind but idk what it is with this game that i simply cant. I really enjoy Amplitude games, such as Endless Legend and Endless Space, i think the way they makes games were shit just scales to space is fun. I do return to humankind from time to time.
a real shame that someone on your patreon exposed something you didn't want to go public, hope that person at least apologized, was a good video to watch anyways
I like Humankind. But the victory conditions and variety of games feels worse than civ 6. And city building is good but doesn't feel as impactful at times. Nukes in this game are so much fun though.
"The river is split along too many territories" no one tell potato about the real world Mississippi river
or Dunaj/Duna/Danube river which starts in Germany and ends in the Black Sea (approx ~1800 miles/2850km long river), crossing like 10 states. For the US citizens, thats as long as around 28000 american football fields, or crossing over a half the US from East Coast to West Coast.
@@matejbosela9093 The Missouri River, one of its tributaries, is 3,800 (2300/1500) miles from start to gulf of Mexico, crossing through 6 states (actual countries in this case, because thats what our states are) that are roughly comparable to Germany in size as the Missouri, and another 3 as the Mississippi.
I am really hoping Potato will bring another Terra Invicta series to the channel. With all the kinks the game had when he first played, I still feel it was one of the most exciting plays in the channel.
I would absolutely LOVE to see it, as long as he actually enjoys playing.
It's been so long since hes touched it and I dont think he's played the selfish capitalism guys yet, would be cool to see a return
Absolutely
Yes, please - especially since it has changed so much during the ongoing development.
would love that too
That 4-mountain hex next to the capital was just screaming for a confucian school
Confucian School is best for 2 mountain tiles so you can have an industry quarter on one side and a confucian school on the other to exploit both the industry and science
Three confusion schools with two mountains minimum each means you'll never need to build a science center until the second to the last era.
3:13:20 "whenever possible, the players will optimise the fun out of the game" quote, perfectly exemplified
To be fair, if you make a game where those kinds of optimizations are necessary, that's a fundamental design problem, or intentional. This game is one of em.
Potato, I gotta say you are basically the only "influencer" that really works on me. You're the sole reason I've bought multiple games (including Humankind). If any advertisers are reading this, SPONSER THIS SPUD.
Your videos are always a delight, and this one is no exception. Thank you for brightening my day, and sorry your post breached containment like that.
1:03:40 "i am going to open up..." proceeds to open up a can
love your vids bro, thank you for being really entertaining
Nice video, would have loved to hear at the start what were the main changes of the mod and why was such a game changer for you.
What is it about the mod that you enjoy? I'm 10 minutes in and I don't know what the mod does yet.
same here, I'd love to know what are the things that the mod changes. I like humankind as is, I wouldn't mind trying the mod, but I'd like some explanation over what it has that makes it better than vanilla
Potato don’t stop being you, your videos make me and others happy
Heckin love all of tatoes vids. I do have to let him know the Topkapi palace boosts the production of the city it's placed in, so it's best to be put in your strongest production city.
I personally quite enjoy Humankind, although I am well aware of the flaws. My hesistation with these mod packs is the balance changes are sometimes too drastic and can completely change the point of an ability, which goes too far for something with a "vanilla" feel. This modpack has a lot of these changes, especially for tenets and some of the stronger cultures.
True. I dont like those as they are only breaking the game in different way but. QoL is nice to have and some balance changes i really appreciate. But they need to be balanced and have offsets.
Half the cultures are objectively useless in the base game though. Like, you shouldn't be able to look at two cultures side by side and decree "this first one is always objectively better and there is no conceivable world in which the second one is better, even if I had mod tools to hand-pick a world specifically for that purpose". Looking at you, Britain.
What’s good and what are the the flaws? Feel like a poor man version of civ6
@@liuyusi125 The city building is extremely fun when it matters. I also think that war in this game can be a lot more entertaining than civ, as battles can be won over one turn, or a dozen. The way your culture evolves over time is also very satisfying, especially because it makes the mid to late game more interesting. I love the first few eras of civ, but by the time I get into the late game I start to get bored, but in humankind it changes enough for me to still have fun. Other than that civ 5 and 6 are better. Humankind is objectively unbalanced and has the easiest snowballing of any modern 4x ive played. Some cultures are so niche that even if the stars align to make a perfect empire with them, it is STILL BETTER to pick the objectively meta cultures. Some play so well into each other that it not longer is a 4x game, just a tile painting idle game. I also think it suffers from the inability to create tall empires. I've never really had a game of humankind where expanding was bad. Even if you go over your city cap by 2 or 3, you can pick the right culture and skyrocket your influence, so it doesn't matter. Also I find it really easy in the base game to deal with stability by spamming and buffing garrisons until you pick a culture that gives tons of stability. It may not be meta, but it works really well for me. Building 4 late game HALF PRICE garrisons means at least 10 districts without a loss of stability. There is so much potential with the game, but i don't think it will ever reach it.
@@liuyusi125 IMO it is a poor civ6. I just think it was the chronology: Humankind released between civ5 and civ6 and civ5 was somewhat inferior/different or so I think when I bought it thinking it was a civ5 expansion esque game.
Hey Tato! I just wanted to say that I love your videos and I think you're great. I don't care what anyone else says, you're amazing and I learned so much about Civ from you. You give great explanations that are easy to understand and apply. Thanks so much for sharing all of your knowledge and being a fun person to watch.
Humankind is one of those games where the adage "if you come for the king you best not miss" occurred. They marketed as a Civ beater and then got judged extra harsh for not doing so. Now all the dev team can do is catch up for an audience that isn't going to be there in large numbers and is reliant on free modders to do most of the grunt work.
Humankind has its issues but Amplitude _never_ claimed it was a Civ killer. Even in the run-up to launch they have always been incredibly cordial and respectful of Civ and Firaxis and I suspect there's been some cross-pollination of ideas between studios ever since Civ VI introduced districts.
The only people who claimed Humankind would "kill" civ were toxic Civ V fanboys who wanted to see VI fail.
@@therexbellator Amplitude has also talked about how they really were honored and annoyed that the title of "civ 7" or "civ killer" or the sort got put on them before they even really said anything.
@@therexbellatorYou know it’s funny you mention Civ 6 cross pollination because Civ 6 didn’t actually introduce districts, Endless Legend (an Amplitude game) did. So Civ 6 and Humankind are both arguably influenced by Endless Legend more than Humankind is influenced by Civ 6.
@@PhoenixStriker1 yeah that's why I phrased it that way; I have a feeling some of the devs from each studio swapped notes and gave each other the go-ahead to implement their respective ideas from their franchise as a gesture of good will.
People think competition is always a zero-sum game but it's not, bringing new titles into the space means more opportunities for creative ideas to flourish and propagate. The existence of games like HMK, Old World, Millennia and soon ARA shows the market for 4x games is big enough for Civ and other historical 4x games to co-exist and thrive.
They never did, they were making their own thing, the RUclips culture of clickbait videos turned all the talk about it into that.
love love love the long form content
I agree with you about territories following geographical features. It would be cool to be able to build dams, which would form a lake but also dry up opponents rivers if they are downstream.
Hey man, great video! Thanks
I have always liked humankind and it was fun to watch you play it completely different than how I play every game
I was thinking the exact same thing!!! He plays this more like civ with emphasis on districts and constructibles. I might be playing more like his style when I get home hahaha
Thats a really classy way of dealing with the criticism issue you had
It's so satisfying to watch Humankind every once in a while
Great video as always
I say as I’m only a fraction into this behemoth of a video…
I will love to try this. I really liked human kind when it was in early access it felt so fresh. But nowadays it has so many frustrating quirks like army fights which took all fun and AI that was using the bad design to advantage
As soon as I saw this video I started watching (commenting at the beginning of my watch). I wanted to like Humankind so much, but it was just so hard to actually enjoy, when Millenia came out and I was describing it to people I said "it's what I wanted Humankind to be". So very keen to see how this improves the game, cause at this point I've tried a few times but never gotten more than a few ages in.
can we get more of this, this was brilliant
2:56:30 Having excess population causes you excess food usage, as well as lower stability, creating new slots from infrastructure helps offset that problem.
Olmec is one of my favorite "Power Starts" because the wide empire spread gives you crazy leverage early on
Great content thanks so much.
i remember being so hyped for this game when it first came out, havent touched it in 3 years haha. maybe ill give it another shot, are any of the DLC worth it?
Long time watcher, first time commenter. Big fan of your content:)
22:40 the leverage from renouncing DOES count but it only updates in the next turn
Oh hey it's DoctorKain aka Bruno Carvalho aka the mod author
Played humankind through gamepass when it first came out and really enjoyed the core gameplay foundations. My second playthrough was on the humankind difficulty which I beat and I haven't touched it since. I think one of its main issues was the lack of a developing complexity, each era felt the same just with different aestetics. Although I haven't played civ in a longtime either, I've been playing alot alot of total war warhammer. Also I had the exact same thoughts on the cliffs and ridges; they add a really nice bit of variety to landscape navigation but the default setting is far too high and becomes frustrating.
12:11 getting a second outpost in the neolict age can be a huge deal, cause you don't have distance penality added to the cost, so you can have second city far, in another spot with good land/resources
if you try to claim an outpost more than 5 territories alway from you your already claimed territories you get massive increase in the cost
What does the VIP mod actually change? I am a fair ways in the video and I am still unsure... I don't necessarily want to spend the time on Humankind...again. I really love Endless Space 1 and 2, and I gave Endless Legend and Humankind a chance, but did not end up enjoying either of them.
It rebalances a lot of the mechanics, provides each culture their own constructibles on top of districts, and reworks how the constructibles function and the buffs that come from doctrine
I know it’s a daunting game to get into, but I’d give it a try again if you’re feeling motivated. I personally haven’t stopped playing it since release. I used to go back and forth between this and civ but I now only play Humankind. I really want the Devs to keep pumping content into this game but with the player base right now, I’m afraid it might die off.
Oh wow! Didn’t expect you to make a video response to that reddit thread someone else… paraded?-yeah-on the HUMANKIND subreddit.
I’m just glad you’re having a more enjoyable time with the game.
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Interestingly enough, if you weren’t forgiving all your leverages, they would have instead spawned on the map for any… third-party to grab a hold of them. Though someone else grabbing them doesn’t cancel your ability to still forgive or demand it.
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That’s a really cool idea!
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Potato’s indecision here was so fun to watch! You can tell he was really invested in the options he had.
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About Cultural export: It’s what allows that Independent to change to your ideology, which helps shifts the Congress ideology to your favor-a little bit.
But, really, it’s super interesting to see how a much strategy with Envoys potato has been doing in a peaceful game.
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Influence. I think what’s killing you here is that the game scaling the influence cost by the total amount of influence you are generating, but without taking to account how much influence you are burning with patronage. It’s unfortunate, but i’m not sure how that can be balanced.
It’s unfortunate that in the name of balancing around limiting Gigantic city quarter spam, the game went the route of inflating the industry costs so high that you needed to opt to pay with influence on outposts (i suspect is a mod feature).
Still: thanks for giving this game another chance-especially through this awesome mod!
Hopefully that modder sees this video and your call.
Hello! Love your work @PotatoMcWhiskey! Thanks for inspirering me to spend money and time unwisely on 4X games! Loved it! 😆
I love this! Might actually have to pick up the game 😂
Potato, you said you read the comments. I really like when your games come out in 40ish minute episodes. When you come out with a single video that is two or three hours long, I can seldom find the time to finish the entire thing in one sitting. Unfortunately, that normally means that I don’t finish the video, which is a shame. I really enjoy your content. I always have. I want to keep enjoying and I feel like shorter episodes might help.
Love you!
Save to watch for later and you do the 40 fraction sittings yourself. RUclips even saves where you left off. He can only publish once a day if he wants the video to do well, and editing is more work even if to cut the video. Don't be selfishly lazy.
@@raizan5946 oh, and I do. The only reason I commented this was because I thought other people might feel the same. Also I wanted to compliment this video because I really enjoy med it
@@davidfuller06 honestly, it just scares me that he, or any content creator I enjoy, goes for the "too episodic" route. They can but it is a thing I want if it benefits them because they know their audience and not to please youtube algorythm.
Lmao I’ll have it play during my work day like I am right now. 😅😂
Is it possible when you zoom in on a city that you can easily see where, for example, the farms are built? You had it at 1 hour and 15 min during the game. It was suddely on. How did you do that?
All the times you said "I'm enjoying Humankind" makes me say "Blink twice if someone is holding you hostage...."
i enjoyed watching this game here far more than your introduction video to this game.
I don’t know if you’re up to suffering through another Humankind play through but if you are I’m curious if you’d be willing to try out a game with both VIP and my own mod, Additional Mechanic Complexity. I don’t really know if you’d see it as a viable solution to any of your grievances with HK but I would be curious to get your thoughts on the mod.
Potato can into humankind, and you can, too!
I have actually loved Humankind since release, play it alot with my brotyher. Everything we dislike in Civ is not in this game, makes it a way better game for us. Love that you play it again! :D Also, fun to keep winning when most people don't realise you should optimise Fame gain before going to next culture :)))
"They have to sign a trade treaty with me or I declare war on them." -Scone of Teashire
Does the auto-explore function still direct scouts towards pickups you can't see?
You're the man, Tater
If a game has nature reserves potato WILL drag himself to hell to build them everywhere
I like when he makes long videos like this one and the millennia one and a whole bunch of others
I play town difficulty and enjoy city building , and "nation watch" the AI fight eachother. These days I play HK more than Civ, I enjoy the district building and how the city looks more so than Civ6.
Potato when are you gonna continue the latest Civ6 campaign?
Love the video! Especially because it's almost 4 hours long, I'm just wondering if you're going to play terra Invicta again?
I would love to see more updates to this game but is it still being worked on by the developer?
Has there been any news since the definitive edition was released? They said they would continue working on the game and updating it, does not look like it though.
An idea for balancing production scaling as the game progresses: Create a production bar similar to the population bar.
The minimum requirement scales with the number of districts constructed (possibly ignoring emblematic districts, or having some that are exempted as part of their ability), while there would be some level of base cost for districts scaling with era/unlocked relevant tech.
Produced industry that is lower penalizes stability and produces locked worker slots (moveable between available slots) with the required deficit percentage for a locked slot getting smaller the more districts a city has.
My logic behind this idea is that larger cities take more industry to support and with insufficient industry cannot sustain all of their facilities, and base build costs scaling because better facilities take more to construct.
Non-district boosts for cities would scale with the number of districts of the yield they effect within the city, but would not have their base cost altered by tech/era progression.
Now I'm really curious to know what you said in that Patreon post; I feel like it'd read a hell of a lot like my thoughts on the game, lol. Is it still up on your Patreon?
not sure if that still works, but when i was playing humankind, if you put at least 1 turn of production in a 'special' quarter (do not remember how the game call them) like the olmek head, you can carry said buildoption over to the next area(s), thus not losing the benefit for it. BUT i do not know if the mod changes it, or if the devs themselves change it, sicne i haven't played for at least 2 years by now
this still works
What caused the change from uploading your playthroughs as a series of episodes to uploading them as singular long videos? I don't have anything against that but to me that change seemed to come out of the blue.
As HK enjoyer, i wholeheartedly agrees...HK is fun when mod is involves. Specifically the Triple Alliance Mod ( VIP + ENC + SCP ). I am curious on your hot take with this mod pack. Does it solves alot of the problem with current base game or not.
I really like the way the tiles look with landscapes and disricts and stuff. What i dont like is the fact that from the middle game i always spend the the time zoomed out and can only see the grey colorless map, i think they should change that.
Yeah Humankind! Honestly like this game more than Civilization because of the shifting nature of the game (until the Huns and Mongols just plow across the entire map and are the major power for two entire eras).
Also if you want Mods to try, check out the Civ Beyond Earth "Codex" mod. Really interesting mod that (I think) makes BE an interesting Civ competitor.
Hey potato, I gotta a random game that I just wanted to have fun, however I started with 5 mountain tiles within my spawn location on the ocean. I think you'd like to try it out. Its similar to your scotland game a while ago just without desert. Let me know if your interested
White peace badge is earned when your war support is higher than your opponent's war support. The opponent will suffer -1 war support.
I'll be honest, I like Humankind more than I like Civilization. Humankind was the Civ-killer for me. The combat in Humankind is phenomenal. The territory system is far more reasonable then Civ's tile system. The district system really makes it feel like the city is growing, rather than Civ's stagnant-looking growth system. Obviously, Together We Rule was a horrible update that completely ruined the game, but I honestly am not entertained by Civ anymore because of Humankind. There is no turn-based combat system that I like better than Humankind. No game has given me naval battles like Humankind has.
They’re simple and boring.
Enjoyed it but stopped playing a while back partly because of unresolved issues at the time (retreats ignoring zones of control, etc.) but also because despite the raw number of culture combos possible, the actual choices from game to game ended up being limited - maybe that changed though.
You should play multiplayer with Jumbo Pixel 😊. VIP of course. The best mod!!!
There are games that are making players founding out the right settings to play properly and this can be really frustrating, especially if game doesn't give you baseline of how it should feel
Is this different from the steam workshop "VIP Modpack" that includes a lot of DoctorKain's mods?
No, it is the same thing. VIP = vanilla improvement project
Humankind is interesting. The production values are quite good, but somehow... well, an example. Recently I found a big Mod, We the People, for Colonization, a very old game with much poorer graphics than HK. Yet, I was drawn in. My take is that there were many ways of developing your entitiy, and yet there was a sense of stability of identity while playing. I take the time to do something (like build a plantation) and its value stayed with me. In HK I feel like when I change cultures I am starting over. I am not expressing it well, but there it is. Well I shall try again, because of your video (it's YOUR Fault!).
No one could've predicted a game called "Humankind" wouldn't be employing people based on merit.
When I clicked on the video I didn't realize it was 3 and half hours long about an hour in....
Love to see some humankind gameplay! That said, the run looked pretty much identical to vanilla, really unsure about what the mod actually changed!
does any one know if potatomcwhiskey has looked at Terra Invicta at all?
i bought the game because of your recommendation way back in the day...hm.
Human kind is one of those games I play once a year to see if I enjoy it now. I never have
It’s just so boring. Like, idk how games like this have been done for so long and they modify the formula a bit and it ends up being boring.
Has the patron who leaked your private messages been banned or warned about sharing private content?
Just I start a new Humankind campaign, and here's Potato makes a new vid, what a day!
Love the game and lots of its decisions, especially compared to Civ. Better combat system, versatile cultures, even the fame table is a step up.
I still play it a lot, and dont think it needs mods to be good. Not gonna diss tho, mod looks interesting, and could freshen up the feelings. Would like to know what cultures do you think are imba :)
Potato: "We're now spreading in every direction"
Just like your mom. BOOM!
Oh shit, I have very mixed feelings about human kind, I love a lot of it, but I also kinda hate a lot of it. This is really exciting!
Woot
i Really enjoyed humankind but i haven't played enough of it i felt like it was very in depth in comparison to civ but its not fair to compete this games together as i feel they are mostly the same game but astronomically different, in gameplay and how you plan
side note i did love the age of wonders 3 gameplay if you ever feel like giving that a go i will definitely watch it
I enjoyed the video i didnt enjoy the dad joke 2:33:42 XD
I love the idea of all the mechanics in humankind, but the execution feels wrong. Like the battle system is so much cooler than the civ style imo, but there's so much weird behavior around it that it ends up being infuriating. Same with the region claiming and district building. I love the region system, but claiming vs absorbing vs city founding just doesn't give any interesting results one way or the other. And as far as districting, I hate just paving my empire with cookie cutter buildings where more district is more good; it just makes my empire look ugly and unwieldy. Civ balances that by having fewer tiles with more impact, and giving incentives (via natl parks for example) for leaving some nature intact. I'd love to play humankind again, but I'm going to need a solid breakdown of a mod pack and how it plays to consider going back. I'd love to see you focus on some of that in a video!
i dont think its the same game as what you were talking about but i used to play a similar sounding mobile idle game called like cats and soup i think
man i probably had a few hundred hours in that game in total i was really enjoying it
then one day i didnt realise that my phone wasnt charging while i had it open because old phone
my phone then completely runs out of battery and shuts off
when i charge my phone back to life and reopen the game its reset to the start literally all progress gone
and when i message the dev support team they basically tell me that its fucked and they cant help at all because my phone is too old and shouldnt even be managing to run the game in the first place which was super cool
I enjoyed the game the first time I played it, after that I felt like a chore.
3:12:20 It's like in some RPGs with excessive level scaling where when you get stronger the enemies get stronger by as much as you do too, so the power difference ends up being the same, thus you make just as much progress at lvl 1 as on lvl 100. The thing is, if not for level scaling you'd be pumping out all upgrades in 1 turn since the medieval era, since all the bonuses you've stacked up are so ridiculous.
As I see it the cost scaling is a crutch that holds up a badly balanced game. In both La Venta and Beijing it took 6 turns to build one nature preserve, even though La Venta had more than 4 times the production. I may be not understanding some things, since I haven't played the game myself, but to the layman's eye the math isn't mathing.
I'm here
Around at 55:00 Yes I do agree! A religious game ís amazing!
I really like the idea of switching between civs upon progression, but the majority of mechanics in the game are broken.
This comment is just in case your mental health needs the reminder, creating these videos brings a lot of joy for lots of people
Maybe this will be enough to make me pick Humankind up again. It was very disappointing during the initial year, but maybe mods are the solution.
I tried to play some Humankind after watching this and unfortunately, I don't think I've changed my mind on this game because of this mod. It really feels like it punishes you for doing well- By the time I got to Early Modern era, I was well ahead of all of the AI but I was CONSTANTLY dealing with Stability issues despite doing everything in my power to stack Stability. I was just producing so much food that I was getting a pop (typically a good thing in 4x) every single turn, which meant I was constantly dealing with Overcrowding no matter what I tried to do to fix it. My rivals were apparently having issues too, considering every single AI was imploding with constant rebellions from lack of stability.
I am wondering if the reason you aren't having fun origionally was because the game doesn't explain several things. Took me a few games to find my flow and now I really like it. I am always weary of mods as they tend to ruin balance and the ideas of the game. I just hope this is enjoyable for you.
Potato mcwhiskey Khmer challenger !!!!!
yo Taters von Schnapps, did you have a look at Manor Lords, yet? very early access Cities:Strongholds, but nice and promising.
Ah yes, making your favourite content creators appear advertiser unfriendly by posting private messages on a public forum without permission. Classic strategy.
I vividly remember you liked Humankind a lot before release due to its high roleplaying potential. I've come to be quite disappointed with the lack of granularity in the game progression and it drove me away from trying it again and again, as Civ always had me do (and Vic 3 currently does). The difficulty also seems to be very very bugged out. I find very little difference between hamlet and humankind difficulties, since AI pacing and decision making always seemed the same.
I really want to love Humankind but idk what it is with this game that i simply cant. I really enjoy Amplitude games, such as Endless Legend and Endless Space, i think the way they makes games were shit just scales to space is fun. I do return to humankind from time to time.
a real shame that someone on your patreon exposed something you didn't want to go public, hope that person at least apologized, was a good video to watch anyways
Hi
I like Humankind. But the victory conditions and variety of games feels worse than civ 6. And city building is good but doesn't feel as impactful at times. Nukes in this game are so much fun though.
Yeah right, like you can read!