Jocko Willink: War, Leadership, and Discipline | Lex Fridman Podcast
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- Опубликовано: 9 июн 2024
- Jocko Willink is a retired Navy SEAL, co-author of Extreme Ownership, and host of Jocko Podcast. Please support this podcast by checking out our sponsors:
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OUTLINE:
0:00 - Introduction
3:10 - The beauty and tragedy of war
8:44 - Soviet Union in World War II
15:03 - What makes a just war?
28:39 - Jordan Peterson
31:51 - Fear of death
36:02 - Autonomous weapons systems
47:37 - What makes a great leader?
50:24 - Elon Musk - a leadership case study
1:04:12 - Steve Jobs - a leadership case study
1:14:24 - Sundar Pichai - a leadership case study
1:21:24 - Young Jamie
1:25:32 - Discipline
1:28:24 - A day in the life of Jocko
1:34:39 - Jiu Jitsu
1:50:27 - Books
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3:10 - The beauty and tragedy of war
8:44 - Soviet Union in World War II
15:03 - What makes a just war?
28:39 - Jordan Peterson
31:51 - Fear of death
36:02 - Autonomous weapons systems
47:37 - What makes a great leader?
50:24 - Elon Musk - a leadership case study
1:04:12 - Steve Jobs - a leadership case study
1:14:24 - Sundar Pichai - a leadership case study
1:21:24 - Young Jamie
1:25:32 - Discipline
1:28:24 - A day in the life of Jocko
1:34:39 - Jiu Jitsu
1:50:27 - Books
Hey Lex who wins if you and Jocko roll? Are you tapping first or is he? 🥊👍great podcasts! Love your content with Bret
Lex, thanks for the great guests. It would be fantastic to see Peter Thiel on one of your upcoming episodes.
@jazz biz the length of comment has an inverse relationship with dick & brain size.
I'd like to see Jocko the next expendables movie.
@lexfriedman
Excellent choice in guest Lex - and excellent questions. So thoughtful and pointed. Great (GREAT) job!
It's like the terminator from the first movie gets interviewed by the terminator from the second.
haha
Underrated observation
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Perfect
Perfect description!
Title should be: Lex Fridman interviews Lex Fridman, Jocko tactically observes.
🤣🤣🤣 Underrated comment
Omg u apsolute unit 🤣
🤣that's so funny!🤣Lex is to Jocko .. what Chris Kitan is to Dwayne Johnson..🤣❤️😎
@@jensbang5923 What about the convo Jocko had with Andrew Huberman, what would this one be titled?
Lex: "How's the old man doin?"
Jocko: "You talkin to me?"
I fucking died
Someone better write that up for a movie. That was great.
So almost did him
Now Lex has a near death experience
What minutes is that?🤔😳😲🤣
@@syderwarp 1:33:05
It’s actually amazing how little patience Jocko has for Lex’s poetic sentimentality 😂
dude he seemed so over it with all the long questions haha
maybe he sees through the bullshit.. an interviewer should shut the fuck up and listen...
His brain is really slow so he has a lot of trouble to process all the data.
Lex: Spends 3 minutes constructing a well thought out, open ended and philosophical question
Jocko: Yes
Lmao
Willink puts more focus on making a mean face than constructing a well thought out response:)
Jocko: Good
@@dranreb1118 I'd say he asked too thought out long questions. It was always about to get to the point of the question then it never did.
Either way. Epic podcast.
@@craiggrocott7559 lol
When Jocko doesn't hit the gym, the equipment gets all the rest it can
Haha good one dude
Bro, Lex didn't make eye contact the entire podcast and Jocko was dead eyeing him.
I literally thought that Jocko suspected some Russian influence shit about Lex and Jocko was giving him the look like "We still kill commies around here, let me hear you praise Puttin again"
Better Dead Than Red.
Lex is super suspect considering how much he admires the dictator Putin.
Just joking but not really...
haha nice
Hahahaha
Gym equipment rests because gym equipment is WEAK!!
ROFL.
I wish to see Lex, wearing a full adidas tracksuit to the interview.
Blyat
Squatting the whole time
He just did, with Michael Malice lmao
His accent isn't strong enough to pull that off 😅
Brilliant
I love how direct Lex's questions are and how blunt Jocko's answers are
With a guy like Jocko you can be direct because he will never take itpersonal. Guys like Jocko are great people and even better mentors.
Lex asks questions like he wants an AI to understand humanity.
He's too much of a meat head to have a profound thought or philosophical conversation. You can tell it's uncomfortable for him to think abstractly
@@vanjam412 You're braindead. Lex asked things in a way that didn't allow him to expand much. And why should he anyway? Jocko is not here to entertain you, he's in there to reply to what he's been asked about, and he did everytime.
@@vanjam412 abstraction is not a virtue. The person who judges another person's way of thought, labeling them as "meatheads" is precisely the kind of person who believes they think deeply, but in reality, have quite a shallow intellect.
This is now the Jocko Willink Podcast.
😂
I heard it in his voice
This is Jocko Podcast number 197. With Lex Fridman and me, Jocko Willink.
Good Evening Lex.
@@hiddenknowledge2012 *soft voice*
“Good Evening”
🤣🤣
Jocko caught every Pokemon in Pokemon Go using a landline phone.
These comments just keep getting better and better. Well done, nazi lobster.
😅 this 1 got me
How did you do this
'Private Pikachu. report your position!'
Legend says he fist fighted Mewtwo in his back yard while mowing the lawn.
Lex: Do you...
Jocko: No.
Haha!
Lex came at Jocko in a way 95% wouldn’t just because he’s Jocko. Great minds here. Great interview, really shows the humbleness of this beast of a man.
Lex is a robot so he doesn't have the same instincts to protect his self like a human being does.
@@caseyanderson7600 lol
Lex: are you afraid of death?
Jocks: no.
Death: fuck…
Lex should invite death to the podcast and ask if it's afraid of Jocko.
@@alikayseri2270 "i fear no man, but.. that thing.."
🤣😂 - Mike! This is hilarious
@Special Ed why is that so?
@@alikayseri2270 😂
" Jocko can build a snowman out of rain "
oh my
I hope Jocko becomes the next Chuck Norris running gag
jocko builds raindrops out grains of sand
😅😂
Not a snowman, an iceman when the rain freezes in terror as Jocko glances at it.
My dad was a lieutenant in Vietnam. He was only interested in getting his troops home safely. They were Texas boys. He actually got them home safely and they showed up to his funeral in 2005. The funniest story was everyone in the squad having to use Campho phenique -a menthol salve-on their balls to combat jock itch from wading into brackish water. Eventually he came to laugh about it. War is hell. But I think my dad was a good leader. His troops loved him. Hoorah!
Hoorah!
Deez nutz
"I was born a Russian. I will die as an American."
Wow. Respect.
That’s what a true Russian spy would say.
@@mansoorafridi2636 🤣
He is "proud" ga'y that's the reason he runaway from Russia
@@mansoorafridi2636 Where did this spy meme come about?
@@mansoorafridi2636 y spy if satellite in sky. Hi;)
Beautiful intro there about America mate. Much respect, from Australia.
Gday cobba
respect from the US. Im glad to have Lex as an American
Australia is a racist country. I see what you are doing to people of color, especially black people and East-Asians and Indians
@@Predestinated1 how can a country be racist u muppet..theirs racists everywhere.
@@Predestinated1 what do you think they're doing? It's one of the most multicultural countries on earth.
When Jacko turned 18, he gave his father the talk.
Hahaha gonna steal this
Yes we know. When he left home his father became the man of the house. When he was born the doctor said it's a man and every other comment in all of jockos comment sections
@@arthurmorgan4460 Thanks for letting us know you do!! I was worried you weren't, but you proved my fears were baseless.
@@arthurmorgan4460 well this is the first time I've heard Jocko. So I'm glad to have all these comments you're gate-keeping for.
Lol
So this is how it would look if Data interviewed Worf for two hours
Right on point
😂
lol brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!
Jocko's communication, joice of words, and grasp of big picture forces is other worldly. Must certainly a trustable warrior-leader.
Jantastic Jomment.
The clash of MAN and MACHINE.
Yeah, Lex is a cool dude, and Jocko is an absolute machine.
Haha
Let's see if lex can implement an ai system into jocko
Lex is a type of guy who launches a rocket from his mech-robot at enemy while saying: "what a beautiful way to die."
Lol, I can see and hear that vividly in my minds eye.
😅😅😅
@Danny Carvajal ha kinda true
Well, battle-mech Lex is not wrong.
😆
Bro I died laughing when he asked if the old man still got it 😂
@Lex Fridman° Nice fake comment
He even stumbled when saying it. Was pretty funny. Jockos response was classic
Don’t think I’d ask Jocko that
Lex: Hopefully I see you on a mat one day
Jocko: Could be sooner than you think.
Jocko makes me want to drink orange juice after brushing my teeth, and like it.
How's that orange juice after brushing your teeth?
Good.
@@yew2oob954
Sorry, I'll be staying at weenie hut jr.'s this time around....
@@yew2oob954 it’s tough
GOOD
I read the last part in his voice
They say Jesus walked on water;
but Jocko swims on land.
hahaha
OMG!!! LOL
Lex: Does the old man still got it?
Jocko: You talkin to me?
Lex: 😐
When?
@@neillodi9688 1:33:10
This was my favorite part
I came to this video exactly for this.
Lol best part
Jocko's sense of humor is military, hits you when you least expect it 🤣 that's pretty dope.
Another powerful conversation. Thank you Lex.
It's kinda strange seeing Jocko in color. I thought you HAD to look at him in black & white, kind of like how you have to look at a solar eclipse through a filter to avoid eye damage
Underrated comment 😆
Jocko is like a sin city caracther
Fucking brilliant … but true!
Underrated and brilliant
My god, did you not use a filter?
Jocko to Lex: “Look at me. I’m the host now.”
This shows how streamlined and practical Jocko is and how depth can impede success.
20:19 That eye contact and silence says it all
I'd like a format where I can see Jocko's face when some of these questions are being asked.
Lex trying to be complicated is overshadowed by Jocko's simple sophistication.
So accurate! When Lex talks about the whole relaxing thing, it's a hard point to articulate and he gets it across. And then Jocko goes "I tell people to relax harder", that was perfect!
There are a number of questions the Jocko truly isn't understanding, not how to answer the question, but he isn't understanding even what the question is.
It was nice to see indeed.
Lex isn’t trying to be complicated. That’s how he is. He lives in his head so it’s naturally difficult for him to achieve the same level of clarity and simplicity that Jocko speaks with.
Not entirely sure that “trying to be complicated” is what he’s doing, it just seems to be his mode of thinking & delivery style.
Joko is a mature man of action with a brain-Lex, on the other hand, is a very intelligent & sensitive guy who is slightly dysfunctional & a lot younger who isn't.
Jocko is a great example of CONTROLLED ego. Lex keeps coming at him with philosophical open ended questions and Jocko responds like a hammer driving large nails in two taps. Both guys just think on a completely different level and that was why Lex hardly at all followed up on Jocko's answers. It was weird....I was waiting for responses. Jocko is just full on military war machine geared and Lex, bless his heart was trying to assimilate. Way to go guys, entertaining.
As Echo once put it, "It seems that Jocko is in one of his moods today" :D
"What do you think about humanity being on a path to self-destruction?"
"Good."
lol
Roger that.
Hahahah 🤣🤣
i believe it's ahead of schedule. good job! hedonisticly helping hell humanity.
Having Jocko on your channel on the 4th of July is America as fuck! His book Extreme Ownership is a must read for anyone that wishes to be a leader or wants to improve their capability as a leader!
I just want to be chill and live my best life ... excess testosterone has limited benefits in the long run
@GOPareTerrorists lol trump is still in your head. still havent found a new scapegoat? kek
For me, Jocko's best podcasts are when he's read something historical and has a bunch of quotes from it. I reckon if you did that together it would be a quality podcast.
would you be willing to recommend some episodes? ps nice blastoise
@@jensoh 31 is the one I'm listening to now, about the My Lai massacre, heavy stuff. 133 is about Unit 731. 60 is Nanking. The jocko unravelling podcast is worth a listen as well, goes quite deep into the Iraq war.
They are very dark, but reminders of what people are capable of. They are the most gruesome that come to mind but there's plenty of others if you're willing to scroll
This was an amazing conversation. Funny, dark, compelling, informative, inspiring and easy. Thank you Gents 🙏
This is a great 4th of July
One of the most American pods you can drop on the 4th! I think we can all agree these men are both stand up examples of being great Americans 🇺🇸
Why do you guys speak English?
@@BallJuiceOfZeus we dropped the accents doe
@@derekladyga1716 so England invented your Country? Cool
I respect Lex so much for telling Jocko that his lack of worry worries him. That takes a lot of gall to be so blunt.
The US army would be unable to work as intended if most of the soldiers had a conscience. Because those that do get imprisoned. See Bradley alias Chelsea Manning.
Jocko is a soldier, soldiers don't get worried, they get war.
@@HansBaier He was a part of the Navy
@Chirag Mehta Tell me a single US war in the last 70 years that was necessary for that.
Love Jocko and all of his audiobooks. Thank you for this interview Lex🙏💫
Lex is such an inspiration. His full commitment to being authentically himself warms my heart.
This podcast is officially better than the Joe Rogan experience.
Fight me
Has been for a long time now
It’s alright. Rogan’s stuff has gone downhill lately.
...always has been...
Joe agrees
Definitely true since Joe went to Spotify. The decline really set in at that point.
This pairing is like the perfect dichotomy. A man of incredibly deep thought and a man of incredible action.
@Bioneer Science Hmm... Not so sure about that. Possibly, but definitely very different ways of thinking. Jocko is a very pragmatic, short term, problem solving type of thinker - likely what made him such a good soldier. He's not introspective or philosophical, unlike Lex. I'd imagine Jocko would consider those to be inefficient and time consuming ways to think.
@@thedigitalrealm7155 I think Jocko will surprise you. He studied English lit
@@alexcalvoimagery Oh I'm not doubting his intelligence, just that his thought process is different.
@@thedigitalrealm7155 I don't think you are that familiar with Jocko. I'm not either. But, I've listened to Jocko for several years now, and about 3 months in, I realized how deep of a thinker Jocko is.
@@Droolbaby yeah man shit happens in war
A fascinating range of topics covered here, in depth and in very very useful ways. Jocko is as badass intellectually as he would be on the mat. Well done, Lex, for attracting such supreme guests and for wisely knowing how to get the best and all the use out of them that you do.
Two Giants!!! Hope when the mat time comes, someone is filming it so we can all have a master class!!! Another fantastic podcast Lex!!!
Tough Interview but you handled it great lex
Lex is the type of guy to send a get well card to an enemy he has killed.
or a love poem.
u r blind or deluded
I really appreciate your monologue. Thank you. Inspirational.
Both of my favorite podcasters go into this cross-over conversation. My podcast app went beserk and I felt the shockwave of this gem by just reading the host and guest names. First time that I ever actually watch a full episode of Lex and Jocko on youtube instead of just listening to the podcast. This - is - a - weird - combo!
My brain spins in circles - good ...
Lex looks like an incarnate AI trying to learn what it means to be human.
That pretty much describes anyone born in the soviet union actually
@@hongo3870 😆🤣.....😂
How does this guy get so many good guests?
@@jeremylack8979 money
@@jeremylack8979 respect
Jocko beat the sun in a staring contest
Lex, thank you for a fantastic podcast. I’ve always been a fan of Rogan and all you IDW guys. But I’ve always felt like I can’t be as good as some of these guys because I’m introverted, or not as smart, or I’ve made big mistakes that I know these guys have made, but haven’t seen them making. As the son of an immigrant, your 99% perfect English and your self admitted slight awkwardness draws me in because I feel a lot like you. And seeing you interview people like Jocko, it makes me feel like with my personality, I DO have something to offer the world. Anyway, I don’t know if this makes any sense, but I’m glad I found your channel Lex. I think you’re awesome. Thank you.
This makes perfect sense. We need all personalities to add value to our world. I hope you do something you love, and through your love for it, value bleeds to the rest of us.
Those last words, I can't stress enough as the truth. “There are no bad teams, only bad leaders.” - Jocko
Hard to find more opposite personalities talking to each other.
@pinned : Lex Fridman Find something new and meaningful to do in life instead of scamming people.
Both are fans of black and white color palettes too
Hard listen. Had to bail.
When Jocko was born, his parents were told "congratulations, it's a man"
(comment credit goes to Jocko's comment section lol)
I gave you this like out of respect for you being honest that you didn’t conceive of the comment 👍
Holy shit I died laughing reading this lmao
Here's a version of this that I heard somewhere: When Jocko was born, the doctor told him "Congratulations, it's your parents."
Beautiful intro Lex! Very wholesome!
The first three minutes of this video...give me hope in humanity and this country. Lex, I respect and admire you from afar...and it's so inspiring to hear your words, behind all that Russian "stoicism"!
Watching fireworks and listening to Jocko and Lex. America!!!!! 🇺🇸
*firm handshake*
@@funk-n-groovin6779 hell yea brother. I’m also in Texas 👌
You also speak English lol
Perfect guest for Independence Day! Well done sir.
This has to be one of Lex’s best interviews.
I feel like I would have just gotten sorry for myself when Jocko answered the questions like he did.
However Lex knew this was going to happen, prepared for it and perfectly blended his style and Jocko’s.
I agree. My cheeks were tight this entire conversation. I felt like I was Lex 😂 His interview style is certainly the best.
Lex is the perfect interviewer for Jocko. I respect these two men a lot.
wrong
This discussion serves up a candid, honest delivery from both of these men. Lex wants someone to worry with him and jocko simply executes solutions. Wondering if jocko ever just kicks back
That's a good observation!
Your answer is “ Negative”
No.
Yup, two men at opposite ends of the neuroticism scale.
@@csqr there you go then
Props to Lex for not pissing himself when receiving the jocko death stare 18:36
I had a heart attack looking at it. You can see Jocko in a Legionnaire helmet thousands of years ago. A natural warrior and leader. Carved from granite.
hard to piss one self when one avoids eye contact to that extent.
How do you know that? Lex may have worn diapers for this interview.
@@per_scep_tivegamer879 Does Lex have social anxiety or something? I noticed he doesn't make a lot of eye contact and he fumbles his words somewhat regularly and overall isn't very well-spoken. He seems like a smart guy though.
@@johnsampson6387 Considering the fact that English is Lex’s second language, I’d say he’s pretty well spoken lol
Thank you Lex&Jocko, this kind of carisma in a room shows the strength of diverse identities. Jocko, you represent the virtue in extreme durability of enduring suffering with a stubbornness of excellence. Your actions and reactions have serve humility.
Lex’s intro is beautiful and pumps me up.. my family immigrated to this country and I feel the exact same way. I love America and Humanity.
I've watched a lot of Jocko and I've never seen him seem so serious and tense. It's as if Lex's line of questioning made him go somewhere that he doesn't normally.
I think he was annoyed at his intellectual pretensiousness.
He had shitty questions. And they were long winded. As if they were deep and toughtful
He know lex is Russian intelligence
@@francorodriguez8252 100% agree with you on that. Lex was trying so hard to ask a question in the most absurd way possible, it was borderline cringeworthy.
I think he made him uncomfortable right away with all those questions about the morality of war at the beginning. Obviously Jocko is going to understand and read history and war from a completely different angle. They're not talking about the same thing.
Interrogations make people serious and tense
Demonstrated are the two different mindsets of both a patient scientist who analyzes and explains data all day, juxtaposed with a commando whose job it is to capture a building and eliminate insurgents as quickly as possible. Both personalities are needed in this world. Both have their roles.
Right...without people like Jocko though...nothing would ever get done.
@@johnsampson6387 ?
@@johnsampson6387 ?
Yes.
Well said.
Wow, what an interview! You both opened a many of emotional doors. It will take a lifetime to learn all the human inspiration received.
this guy is definition of a badass.. nothing but respect for this hero
Lex: "Do you worry about this?"
Jocko: "No."
I love the duality of this conversation.
This podcast episode is good for humanity. Thank you both.
The best part about lex podcast is the vulnerability to express humility. I think we all feel like we’re not doing our best always. But it’s that pursuit that makes things enjoyable.
I just saw this and freaked out that my favorite Podcaster is with my second favorite Podcaster and idk which is which
@@LANCEtheBOIL when big dick energy meets big brain energy
@@Big_Pete. 😂
Me: sees lex upload: ooh
Me: sees guest: *OOOOHHHHH*
Same
😭
I feel it
One of the best interviews with Jocko
The way Jocko looks at Lex when he asks "What does it feel like....to kill another human being?" Priceless. These conversations can be titillating.
Time stamp
Please
@@Vitalbowhunting around the 20 minute mark
18:30. I almost pissed myself
When Jocko went to school, the principal said, "when I grow up I hope I'm a man like you."
JACKO?
@@goudafeta2165 typo
@@goudafeta2165 wacko jacko steals the elephant mans bones
I've seen videos of a principal getting heightmogged by a young student who looks like more of a man than him. Genetics are brutal...
30:57 Jocko's gaze seems to tell Lex: "You better change your agenda"
I wish I could see Jocko's face while some of these questions are being struggled through.
Plain face. The sniper watches.
@@billlets5460 rofl!
Couldn't have chosen a better guest for Independence day 🥰🥰🥰🇺🇲
I’ve been listening to Jocko for so long I almost know what he’s going to say
i've watched so many interviews from you lex... and kudos for sticking in here LMAO i've never watched an interviewer give such open ended questions to where the person being interviewed just didn't want to elaborate LOL so brutal at times, like bro he's throwing u a bone talk
01:33:00 best moment in podcast history
All of this felt like a long Turing test...
At the beginning would have being perfectly ok if Lex started showing
Grid collages of digital pictures and ask Jocko.
"Point at all the fire hydrants"
LOL holy shit that's funny 😂😂😂
"If you don't struggle you don't grow"
Two humble giants. Loved it!
Beautiful intro Lex! Thank you for this podcast.
When Chuck Norris wants to feel like a badass, he dresses up like Jocko.
First Tim Dillion interviews Glenn Greenwall and now Lex interviews Jocko.
It’s is truly the 4th of July.
Jocko cracking out a Jocko Power can. Geez this man is a boss. Love the podcast Lex.
Thank you for doing what you do. I appreciate the angle of questions you bring to the table with your conversations with these truly inspiring human beings.
One of my favorites yet. Lex, your questions have been on point, great progress. Jocko is like an iceberg, you managed to shed light on what lies beneath the surface.
As a proud American I have to say that intro was beautiful! 🇺🇲
Winning through losing is more valuable then winning. And when there's ego involved, challenge that ego and give it a chance to be humbled and shifted. Challenge being the main source of happiness. Creating the best version of yourself. So challenge yourself, and love to lose knowing you're doing something difficult and that is a win. That's what I learned among other things on this episode. I thought this was a beautiful discussion. And Jiu Jitsu is so powerful with changing perception. Makes me wanna get back on the mat.
The end cracked me up "Could be sooner than you think"