Note: Lots of questions about suspension. For most cars suspension doesn't matter. All these cars however get a slight increase in traction with the lowest suspension option, so that's the best one to go for. However the Sultan RS Classic is actually worse off for doing that because it becomes so bad to handle, so you're better off with one of the higher options. The rest should be lowered as far as possible. More info at broughy.com/gta5carupgrades *Various Info & Links* Lap Time Playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLx_tHjuVuROCv7VtfMkQs7TvJaMdGITxB Top Speed Playlist: ruclips.net/p/PLx_tHjuVuROBJQHhnhvA2UdqBhbLIV2DG More GTA 5 Videos: broughy.com/gta5 Ways To Support Me: broughy.com/support If you have any questions about this testing, such as its validity, how it's done, why I test in this way, and more, first watch this video which covers most things: ruclips.net/video/uUeWqdQBk7s/видео.html If that doesn't satisfy you, check out the full video description and testing methodology at broughy.com/laptimedesc (with the basics explained in this video's description) If you have any questions or want more information in general read the description before commenting. There's a lot of info in there! Thank you for all the support as always
Now this may seem crazy, but you should do a series for un-modded cars for the most popular classes, because a lot of new people to the game will host races with custom vehicles turned off.
Why don't you address spoilers? I use the RT3000 and it's terrible without the high grip spoiler. But with it I can hold my own in most races, especially non contact because it's very light and can be shoved around a bit.
They added new cars to the open wheel class after 2 updates. They would not miss out on adding a really expensive super op tuner that completely breaks the class in 1-2 updates.
@@geronisteve8321 the Sultan is way stupid good! sure it oversteers over bumps if you mash the throttle while turning, but that's where you learn throttle discipline
Glad to see I'm not the only one struggling with the Sultan, I saw that it was at the top of the broughy ranks and a go with it. I just couldn't keep it together though, I just spun it all the time and threw races because of it. My personal go-to is still the Jester RR just because it feels so stable and planted
The big mistske I made with the Sultan was to equip the full "competition suspension" which totally ruins the car over bumps. Makes it spun out really easy. Also the car is so light it's terrible in rough bumps and nudges from both police and other racers. It might technically have a faster laptime but it's horrible for pursuit races. The Vectre I like sometimes for slow twisty technical street races. But the absolute king for me is the Calico. Once you set it up to counteract the understeer. And don't try to accelerate whilst still turning. It absolutely smashes everything in acceleration and bump n grinding. Coz it's a bit of a tank. Love it.
If you are braking and steering at the same time and the gta lords forgive you hit a bump, you'll spin out, you cna try improving you racing lines and/or straight braking and that should help you minimize it happening, if you're already doing so, then it just doesn't suit your driving style
I actually had exactly the same experience. I thought when I drive the sultan I would the street races with randoms would be even easier but the sultan isn't so easy to drive and you have to be extra careful when you hit any bumps. Thats the reason I also went back to using the Jester RR. It just feels really nice in the corners.
Yea no matter what suspension setup I choose it still fells squirrelly but the one that feels closest to normal would probably just be lowered. Although I swear it's still inconsistent with it's handling sometimes..
Don’t mash the accelerator coming out of corners and you’ll be fine. It’s fast asf when you learn to ease the right trigger out of sharp turns the sultan is quick as hell
I think personal driving style is a big thing in this one. Everyone talks about the Vectre handles so great, but I hated it, while everyone talks about how the Calico uses it's acceleration to make up for bad handling, but I actually like the way it handles.
I honestly miss times like the old 2015 era Muscles class where so many cars were viable. Dominator, Dukes, BlackFin, Blade, Ruiner, even the Phoenix was able to hold its own. It was probably the most colorful time a class was in terms of viable racing options. Then the Sabre Custom came and obsoleted it all.
There were so many cars you could be competitive with in muscle I'd say sports class was close back in 2014-2015 era but muscle always had the most varied lobbys
Not really no one really uses the best car for racing they tend to use what they want I've seen cars considered the worst in class beat the cars considered best and no both drivers were peak capability when racing.
I would love to see the Tuners class expand into the Elegys, Sultans, Penumbras, and a dozen or so other cars that would be PERFECT for the Tuners class.
Watched your videos for years barely missing one. Recently my best friend who I've been witching with for months died suddenly and I've found it hard to get back into it. Hopefully one day this becomes my happy time once more.
You can use almost all of the top 10 cars and still be competitive if you're racing against randoms. These tuner street races are all about knowing the tracks, the racing lines and how much speed you carry through corners.
@@pedinhuh16 That can be said about any random race to be fair. The skill gap is just hilarious. An experienced guy in a Komoda could easily arrange the funeral for an inexperienced Itali GTO driver.
I won a quick job High society race in a warrener HKR against a 8 player lobby of sub 150 level noobs (was a one-off haven't been able to win before/after with that car). Not crashing and keeping minimum speed up for the whole race is 80% of it.
Don't lower the suspension to competition. Keep it at stock, lowered, or street. Yes, it gets the most traction bonus on competition, but that extra traction doesn't make up for the worse handling.
@@CognizantCheddar its still garbage over bumps whatever suspension u use, same as regular sultan classic wich is held back in rally races because of that. The thing is none of the tuners are good in that regard, the only decent ones are vecter n a few others too slow to compete
@@CognizantCheddar didn’t see this til now as I’m revisiting, but I have one of the higher suspension options and it’s still awful. I ended up selling it as the Vectre was so much more reliable and heavy.
@@asideaccount393 There's more to it -- the tuner Sultan also needs to be carefully modded to keep the back-end under control. Wheels and the spoiler size matter most. Somewhere on Broughy's site there's a doc listing which custom wheels do what to traction balance. That's your starting point. After you figure out the right wheels for the way you drive, you can finish up with the spoiler and body kit options. Kitted correctly, the tuner Sultan becomes stable on the back-end, and then i *promise* it will give you the best lap times on all but a couple of the tuner tracks. It just has the best overall mix of acceleration, top speed, and grip. It's also ideal for a bunch of the shortcuts on the tracks, btw -- the tuner Sultan isn't as wide as most of the other tuners. Vectre's a fine choice. Its very easy to drive. But I'll beat it with the Sultan every time. Even racing clean with no aggressive overtaking, I can't count how many races where I was able to ride a Vectre's bumper at will until it made a mistake. It simply can't pull away from a sultan.
It really is crazy the difference of contact vs non-contact races. The first time i was racing the Sultan RS Classic, i was having such a hard time trying to break away into the top half of racers, and when i did, it was too late to catch up in the contact races (cause people cant drive, so they just spin you out)...I got to host at some point, set it to non-contact, and was consistently finishing 8 seconds ahead of 2nd place. now im aware thats not always gonna be the case (im most certainly not a great racer in GTA), just happened to be the case that night i was racing it.
Sultan rs classic, the BRAKES. Trash lol. Maybe that’s why you subconsciously go faster with it because u can’t slow down & have to pick a good line without crashing lol. Also it corners like a beast making up for the brakes
Maybe you could try a few higher skill racing techniques like trying not to lock up you're tyres and/or keeping your car straight while braking and turning afterwards (be careful with that one, oversteer can be a bitch especially with the sultan), that should kinda help you out if you're not doing it already, it sounds kinds dumb if you're playing with controller but try to feel the car and it will tell you what it needs, hope that maybe helps out
@@dart8827 I've been trying to find ways to upgrade my turning skills and this comment helps a lot. Do you happen to know any RUclips channels that give good cornering advice?
@@alexanderjones8679 I mean you can find advice on racing, most will be in game like gran turismo and stuff but you can carry it on into gta, but to put it simple terms, to not lock up, just press the brakes as hard as you can, and when you feel, see or hear the wheels locking slightly lift up, with practice you'll find the perfect pressure variance for the car you use and you should improve a lot.
Fabulous roundup, Broughy! Tons of thanks! ..I've been out of tuner racing a few weeks, haven't even driven the Sultan RS Classic! =:0 But yeah, racing aside, just as cruisers, every one of these new tuners is great. I enjoy the Dom. GTT, Comet S2 and Warrener HKR immensely for toolin' around in. I use either of these 3 for all the missions launched from my tuner garage.
I would say that Calico isn't such an easy car to drive for non skilled drivers because of its huge tendancy to understeer, making it hard to control in the corners. The Growler and more so the Sultan RS Clasic however are way easier to drive in my opinion
Yeah the Cypher is heavy, grippy and hasn't got any under or over steering tendencies, it's the perfect car to just drive and cruise in. However as a hard core car guy I freaking love fighting the sultan rs and comet s2 around corners and you I just want to drive drive ig
A very nice overall summary/review of the Tuners sub-class of cars there, some interesting close results in the top 4 or top 2 especially, and can certainly appreciate all the effort that went into testing everything to provide the community with some fantastic videos of the results!😁👍👏
I'd love to see you include your thoughts on the handling of each car. I'd trust your judgement on whether something was comparatively twitchy, how's turn-in, stability, etc. I know it's an opinion and not as rigid of a ranking as the lap times etc, but it would be very handy to know
I won about 30 races on Euros raising my tuners level. I think this is the most fun car u can drive on in this DLC. Slide at the end of a corner not so fast maybe, but still nice.
Do you test all these cars with max suspension, or middle suspension upgrades? I can't remember exactly, but I think you said at one point that you test all cars with middle-suspension, unless they have the max camber flag that improves their performance when they have the maximum suspension upgrade (Club, Blista Kanjo, Vectre, Previon, etc. for example), in which case you test them with that. I think(?) I also recall all the tuners having said suspension/camber flag, but that doesn't sound right now that I think about it. I'm not 100% sure on any of this though, so if you could confirm one way or the other what suspension upgrade you usually test with, that'd be great.
Is it just me or does the calico become a completely different car to drive fully modded vs stock, I was grinding my rep using a stock calico to unlock the trade price and I LOVED driving it. Once i bought and upgraded it though it feels like a vastly different car and im not sure I like it. It felt like it had the perfect balance stock but fully upgraded it just feels way to stiff, idk I'd love to hear feedback if anyone else bought and used the car. Either way you are my saviour broughy! Returning to the game after buying it on pc once they stopped supporting it on ps3 i binged your videos to get caught up on the fastest cars and was sad to see my turismo is no where near on pace anymore :'( Edit: After doing a few more races in different lobbies it feels just like my good ole calico again, I honestly think a modder messed with my car in that lobby because it feels much better now and I'm so glad cuz I spent so much on it! 😂 Keep up the great work! ❤
ive been following this channel for years but haven't been subscribed because the physics of the cars after unrealistic. this update however has gotten me invested since i often dominate in my races, and with the quality of comparisons which Broughy's been pumping out, its safe to say im now subscribed, keep up the good work mate
here's an idea that will probably never happen: R* should create more sub classes like the 'Tuners' sub class. that will make racing a little more interesting than what we have today
If you're curious what an average driver thinks, I found the Calico and Vectre to be the easiest to handle in Street Races. The Growler and Sultan are much harder to keep from spinning out.
I am hoping that each week I can get all the tuners for free through Prize Ride challenges. I have more than enough money to buy them all, but I’m way too stingy to do it.
I consider myself a pretty skilled driver, and I love the sultan Rs classic, I can literally dominate no prob, but whenever I'm stressed or just not feeling my jam it becomes impossible to drive I can definitely tell you it's not a car for everyone, the calico is way more forgiving
I find it to be the complete opposite for me. The Sultan RS and the Vectre feels so much more fun to drive. The Calico's understeer just makes me absolutely furious, because it'll always manage to make me clip into something solid around a tight bend.
Quick question from the future here. Do the tuner DLC cars still perform the same way did back when you did this video? Or would their lap times be different now with the changes on the handling flags?
different, the changes to the handling flag made them perform somewhere in the middle between this version and the nerfed version whether he'll retest it and put it in a video remains to be seen
You might have custom wheels that have added too much front-traction bias. It's safest to leave all the tuners with stock wheels. It's easy to mess up their traction balance, more so than with other cars.
It’s going to be interesting when “Expanded and Enhanced” finally releases and these cars get that speed boost. The Muscle Class and Coupe Class are both going to be ruined while the Sports Class will hopefully have some competition with the Calico possibly being the fastest car in the game by a mile… since R* isn’t giving this speed boost to anything else in the game, which is the most R* thing they’ve done.
@@FormulaOneFan98 a Mazda rx7? And a Nissan Silvia? I really like these cars, but the most underperformaced car in this dlc is the pfister comet s2, i mean a 911 beaten by a “old” toyota, nissan, subie and cars like a 2020 supra and much others cars considering whole game
Most of the races I join have Catch Up enabled. So which would be the fastest if you’re leading a race with that? I usually choose the Calico as the acceleration out of the corners doesn’t get affected as much as the top speed.
You drive the cars look getting a lot of grip. How did you do that? And how did you tune the cars? My favourite car is rx-7 in real life, but zr350 is hard to handle
Dang. Was hoping the tuners would become this expanded update where any car could be modded and open up racing to some ridiculous rides like a stealth super car taxi with a mean performance but looks like a regular taxi or a sports forklift. Not this weird pocket universe within the game.
I don't know how and why you based that the best car is sultan. In my personal experience I get good results when I choose calico's car. When I choose sultan,I always finish last on races. So calico is the best.
People sleep on it because it doesn't have amazing speed or acceleration but it handles so well and is very consistent. I've done really well racing with it too though the sultan is faster for sure but easier to mess up with
I've been pulling wins all weekend with my Previon too. The car lacks power in the straights but it feels so planted on the corners that I can carry more speed on them. Frankly, I think Broughy's track doesn't really works as a good representation of the tuner tracks, because the Remus, Dominator ASP, Previon and the Cypher definitely doesn't feels as slow as it's shown here.
@@pedinhuh16 his track is really aimed for testing all areas of performance where most tracks aren't. Also driver skill and confidence are a bigger deal than car performance a lot of people just pick what is fastest when it isn't really the best car for them. My mate kicked my ass with his comet S2 when I was in a Calico and then I beat him in my Remus so if the previon is working for you that's good I haven't bought it yet I'm hoping it comes as a prize ride soon as long as it doesn't need those goddamn sprint races lol
@@Token_Black_Guy one of mine was with the dominator asp and got the exact same time in the comet S2 lol. I love my cypher it's so nice in corners though while it's not as slow as people make out I do notice a big difference between it and my sultan rs classic but the sultan does have a tendency to spin out in slow speed corners if you're not careful
I still think the Cypher is somewhat competitive. It's light, handles super well and has great grip and acceleration. It is possible to spin out if you push it hard enough but it's very easy to manage. It lacks in top speed unfortunately so it's only really viable in tight corner races but it can definitely hold its own. You could argue the Vectre covers the same role while being faster but the Cypher feels still much lighter than it. Also I think it has the best brakes amongst all tuners.
I noticed a different line through corner five I think where the vectre curb boosts and the sultan doesn’t, unless that doesn’t effect the speed through that sector is like to see that run again 🤷♂️
Great video but I would NOT recommend the sultan rs classic for street racing... Or for any racing!! It can not handle bumps at all and it is very hard to hit corners, without it over steering. Basically, if you can master the sultan rs classic. You can drive any other car on the tuners list with ease
Recently used the Prize Ride Growler for races, & yeah...just Broughy said in his Growler lap time testing vid, I can't attack the corners with much confidence... I had to slow down every corner, more often so than the Calico, just so I can keep it straight, yet it doesn't have the acceleration to make up for it like the Calico. Despite the car's performance in the top tier, I'll likely fair better with the Euros & Jester RR of the 2 tier against the top dogs 'cause of their consistent traction.
Alot of people say that they hate the calico in the corners but I bomb corners with it, I won the vectre today from the price ride so I'm gunna start trying that out, I got like 160 mill but I hate not getting my cars free or atleast discounted and/or on sale
Here are the best cars I use for each street races. Business end: Calico Beachfront runner: Calico Up your alley: Sultan RS classic Home street home: Sultan RS classic Country pursuits: Sultan RS classic Back at the rancho: Jester RR / Previon / Cypher High Society: Jester RR
I've got destroyed on beachfront runner cuz there's a Chinese dude put 1 lap and non contact race, he used jester RR and I used Calico gtf no chance whatsoever
The jester RR, the zr350, and the sultan classic are my personal favorites. I thubk the zr350 is my favorite cause im one of those rx7 fan boys the website selling it talks about lol
I had an idea to show the difference between each car. Could you use the in game editor to place a camera above the track that can see all of it, and then overly each car over each other so you can sort of see each cars ghost?
@@Johnny362000 Oh thats a shame. And I know, but I come from track mania and the replays of the thousands of cars spilling out of the start gate is always interesting to watch.
I don't know why, but of the top 3, i've found the Calico the most reliable on races, Sultan RS Classic just try to go everywhere when the suspension updates
Note: Lots of questions about suspension. For most cars suspension doesn't matter. All these cars however get a slight increase in traction with the lowest suspension option, so that's the best one to go for. However the Sultan RS Classic is actually worse off for doing that because it becomes so bad to handle, so you're better off with one of the higher options. The rest should be lowered as far as possible. More info at broughy.com/gta5carupgrades
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Now this may seem crazy, but you should do a series for un-modded cars for the most popular classes, because a lot of new people to the game will host races with custom vehicles turned off.
@@MrMiraculon the list would still be 90% the same order as the stuff he does now
Why don't you address spoilers? I use the RT3000 and it's terrible without the high grip spoiler. But with it I can hold my own in most races, especially non contact because it's very light and can be shoved around a bit.
@@slayergt3104 watch his setups video, all custom spoilers change handling very slightly but it's not significant
Even after the nerf?
Let's be honest there are probably like 30-40 cars that literally nobody but Broughy has bought for testing.
joke on you i have shitty taste 😎
Do not disrespect my Tulip
@@blue7081 tulip is a great car ngl it gives you a realistic feeling of driving w muscle car
impaler, vamos, tulip, ellie, Dominator GTT with drift tires >>>> itali gto, pariah
Jokes on you I like the Streiter
cant wait for them to never add a single car to this class ever again
Which is a shame, i find street races and tuner cars really fun, compared to the usual stuff that r* puts out at least
There will be more cars for tuner races, specially after the sucess this dlc was.
@@marciliojunior4919 hope so as well!
They added new cars to the open wheel class after 2 updates. They would not miss out on adding a really expensive super op tuner that completely breaks the class in 1-2 updates.
i think there will be a tuners part 2. Tuners is the DLC that brought the most players in GTA’s lifespan, they’d be dumb not to exploit that tbh.
thanks for the effort, testing really helps me to know what cars I should buy and which ones I should sleep on
I sleep on Joe mama
@@virdiid8621 doesnt even put in the effort to try to bait me into this one, shameful
This is misleading though, the Sultan is terrible.
@@geronisteve8321 the Sultan is way stupid good! sure it oversteers over bumps if you mash the throttle while turning, but that's where you learn throttle discipline
The first time I used the Warrener in a race, I ended up flipping and exploding within the first 5 seconds of the race...somehow
You should've recorded it
woman driver moment
Glad to see I'm not the only one struggling with the Sultan, I saw that it was at the top of the broughy ranks and a go with it. I just couldn't keep it together though, I just spun it all the time and threw races because of it. My personal go-to is still the Jester RR just because it feels so stable and planted
The big mistske I made with the Sultan was to equip the full "competition suspension" which totally ruins the car over bumps. Makes it spun out really easy. Also the car is so light it's terrible in rough bumps and nudges from both police and other racers. It might technically have a faster laptime but it's horrible for pursuit races. The Vectre I like sometimes for slow twisty technical street races. But the absolute king for me is the Calico. Once you set it up to counteract the understeer. And don't try to accelerate whilst still turning. It absolutely smashes everything in acceleration and bump n grinding. Coz it's a bit of a tank. Love it.
If you are braking and steering at the same time and the gta lords forgive you hit a bump, you'll spin out, you cna try improving you racing lines and/or straight braking and that should help you minimize it happening, if you're already doing so, then it just doesn't suit your driving style
I actually had exactly the same experience.
I thought when I drive the sultan I would the street races with randoms would be even easier but the sultan isn't so easy to drive and you have to be extra careful when you hit any bumps. Thats the reason I also went back to using the Jester RR. It just feels really nice in the corners.
Yea no matter what suspension setup I choose it still fells squirrelly but the one that feels closest to normal would probably just be lowered.
Although I swear it's still inconsistent with it's handling sometimes..
Don’t mash the accelerator coming out of corners and you’ll be fine. It’s fast asf when you learn to ease the right trigger out of sharp turns the sultan is quick as hell
I'd like to see them give the creator community the ability to create our own custom class or basically make races to have classes overlap
Fr if GTA ever introduces racing for Pink Slips it should be classless any car can race any car.
don’t know why but I love the way the zr350 handles could have sworn it would have been faster around a track
I think personal driving style is a big thing in this one. Everyone talks about the Vectre handles so great, but I hated it, while everyone talks about how the Calico uses it's acceleration to make up for bad handling, but I actually like the way it handles.
I honestly miss times like the old 2015 era Muscles class where so many cars were viable. Dominator, Dukes, BlackFin, Blade, Ruiner, even the Phoenix was able to hold its own. It was probably the most colorful time a class was in terms of viable racing options. Then the Sabre Custom came and obsoleted it all.
There were so many cars you could be competitive with in muscle I'd say sports class was close back in 2014-2015 era but muscle always had the most varied lobbys
Not really no one really uses the best car for racing they tend to use what they want I've seen cars considered the worst in class beat the cars considered best and no both drivers were peak capability when racing.
I would love to see the Tuners class expand into the Elegys, Sultans, Penumbras, and a dozen or so other cars that would be PERFECT for the Tuners class.
Watched your videos for years barely missing one. Recently my best friend who I've been witching with for months died suddenly and I've found it hard to get back into it. Hopefully one day this becomes my happy time once more.
Sorry for your loss. I recently experienced the loss of a friend too. They’ll always be there in our memories.
Yeah, it's nice we can use 4 cars in most tuner races and still compete.
You can use almost all of the top 10 cars and still be competitive if you're racing against randoms.
These tuner street races are all about knowing the tracks, the racing lines and how much speed you carry through corners.
@@pedinhuh16 That can be said about any random race to be fair. The skill gap is just hilarious. An experienced guy in a Komoda could easily arrange the funeral for an inexperienced Itali GTO driver.
I won a quick job High society race in a warrener HKR against a 8 player lobby of sub 150 level noobs (was a one-off haven't been able to win before/after with that car). Not crashing and keeping minimum speed up for the whole race is 80% of it.
@@TroyHR123 😆
PH nah not really
The Sultan’s weakness is that it’s extremely sensitive to bumps and quite awful to drive.
Don't lower the suspension to competition. Keep it at stock, lowered, or street.
Yes, it gets the most traction bonus on competition, but that extra traction doesn't make up for the worse handling.
@@CognizantCheddar its still garbage over bumps whatever suspension u use, same as regular sultan classic wich is held back in rally races because of that. The thing is none of the tuners are good in that regard, the only decent ones are vecter n a few others too slow to compete
The Sultan RS is just way too nervous, it's a white knuckle ride from start to finish! You just never know when the back end is going to let go!
@@CognizantCheddar didn’t see this til now as I’m revisiting, but I have one of the higher suspension options and it’s still awful. I ended up selling it as the Vectre was so much more reliable and heavy.
@@asideaccount393 There's more to it -- the tuner Sultan also needs to be carefully modded to keep the back-end under control. Wheels and the spoiler size matter most.
Somewhere on Broughy's site there's a doc listing which custom wheels do what to traction balance. That's your starting point. After you figure out the right wheels for the way you drive, you can finish up with the spoiler and body kit options.
Kitted correctly, the tuner Sultan becomes stable on the back-end, and then i *promise* it will give you the best lap times on all but a couple of the tuner tracks. It just has the best overall mix of acceleration, top speed, and grip.
It's also ideal for a bunch of the shortcuts on the tracks, btw -- the tuner Sultan isn't as wide as most of the other tuners.
Vectre's a fine choice. Its very easy to drive. But I'll beat it with the Sultan every time. Even racing clean with no aggressive overtaking, I can't count how many races where I was able to ride a Vectre's bumper at will until it made a mistake. It simply can't pull away from a sultan.
I've been waiting for this video. All the arguments have been settled now.
thanks for the effort broughy
It really is crazy the difference of contact vs non-contact races. The first time i was racing the Sultan RS Classic, i was having such a hard time trying to break away into the top half of racers, and when i did, it was too late to catch up in the contact races (cause people cant drive, so they just spin you out)...I got to host at some point, set it to non-contact, and was consistently finishing 8 seconds ahead of 2nd place. now im aware thats not always gonna be the case (im most certainly not a great racer in GTA), just happened to be the case that night i was racing it.
Sultan rs classic, the BRAKES. Trash lol. Maybe that’s why you subconsciously go faster with it because u can’t slow down & have to pick a good line without crashing lol. Also it corners like a beast making up for the brakes
I think the brakes are pretty good lol
Maybe you could try a few higher skill racing techniques like trying not to lock up you're tyres and/or keeping your car straight while braking and turning afterwards (be careful with that one, oversteer can be a bitch especially with the sultan), that should kinda help you out if you're not doing it already, it sounds kinds dumb if you're playing with controller but try to feel the car and it will tell you what it needs, hope that maybe helps out
@@dart8827 I've been trying to find ways to upgrade my turning skills and this comment helps a lot. Do you happen to know any RUclips channels that give good cornering advice?
@@dart8827 I play on Xbox One
@@alexanderjones8679 I mean you can find advice on racing, most will be in game like gran turismo and stuff but you can carry it on into gta, but to put it simple terms, to not lock up, just press the brakes as hard as you can, and when you feel, see or hear the wheels locking slightly lift up, with practice you'll find the perfect pressure variance for the car you use and you should improve a lot.
Fabulous roundup, Broughy! Tons of thanks! ..I've been out of tuner racing a few weeks, haven't even driven the
Sultan RS Classic! =:0 But yeah, racing aside, just as cruisers, every one of these new tuners is great. I enjoy the
Dom. GTT, Comet S2 and Warrener HKR immensely for toolin' around in. I use either of these 3 for all the
missions launched from my tuner garage.
I would say that Calico isn't such an easy car to drive for non skilled drivers because of its huge tendancy to understeer, making it hard to control in the corners. The Growler and more so the Sultan RS Clasic however are way easier to drive in my opinion
I agree, but I find it’s just a matter of getting used to them
The Vectre is the easiest car to drive in my opinion. The top speed isn’t great, but the handling and acceleration is a dream
@@denisyuuusk That's true but I was talking about non-experienced drivers
Calico? Oversteer? You must have it mixed, it's got some lethal understeer
@@jamelokere680 Yep, such a grip machine and so fun to drive ^^ Such a shame that it doesn't have any top speed 'cause it would be a beast of a car
Cypher is probably my fav overall with looks and driving exp its just so sweet to drive
It really is great to drive, just a shame about the top speed
@@tommybarnes1997 yea and accelaterion, thats why my 2nd pick would be jester its also pretty ez to drive
Yeah the Cypher is heavy, grippy and hasn't got any under or over steering tendencies, it's the perfect car to just drive and cruise in. However as a hard core car guy I freaking love fighting the sultan rs and comet s2 around corners and you I just want to drive drive ig
@@dart8827 Agreed, The Comet S2 is horrible to drive. You really need to tame it cause the oversteer is rage-inducing lol
@@S1lverArr0w yeah you really have to be the kind of driver to like that kind of raw feeling to want to drive it
A very nice overall summary/review of the Tuners sub-class of cars there, some interesting close results in the top 4 or top 2 especially, and can certainly appreciate all the effort that went into testing everything to provide the community with some fantastic videos of the results!😁👍👏
I still use jester RR most in tuner races anyway
Yeah Jester RR is based AF
it has the best handling by far and doesn't slip over bumps
Same. Ive never had a Growler beat me ever. It runs hard against the Calico too. The Vector is the only car that truly defeats it.
The Jester is the one for me too, lowered even better!!
@@gbales84 exactly
Your work is amazing, you deserve millions of followers!
Not gonna lie, I completely forgot about some of these cars lmao
Been waiting for this video for a while thank you
Thanks for the testing! Now i got some acknowledge for picking the right car!
I'd love to see you include your thoughts on the handling of each car. I'd trust your judgement on whether something was comparatively twitchy, how's turn-in, stability, etc. I know it's an opinion and not as rigid of a ranking as the lap times etc, but it would be very handy to know
I still find myself winning most of my races using the Jester. I will admit that I need to practice a lot more with the Sultan. Cheers Broughy!!!
I won about 30 races on Euros raising my tuners level. I think this is the most fun car u can drive on in this DLC. Slide at the end of a corner not so fast maybe, but still nice.
TL;DR Calico is IGN's best choice, lol
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Do you test all these cars with max suspension, or middle suspension upgrades?
I can't remember exactly, but I think you said at one point that you test all cars with middle-suspension, unless they have the max camber flag that improves their performance when they have the maximum suspension upgrade (Club, Blista Kanjo, Vectre, Previon, etc. for example), in which case you test them with that. I think(?) I also recall all the tuners having said suspension/camber flag, but that doesn't sound right now that I think about it.
I'm not 100% sure on any of this though, so if you could confirm one way or the other what suspension upgrade you usually test with, that'd be great.
The lowest for all these cars is best, with the exception of the sultan
@@broughy1322 and which suspension is best for sultan?
@@frydaynightlive I think he said in a previous video that Stock Suspension is recommended for the Sultan RS Classic
@@broughy1322 Which suspension setup is best for the sultan RS?
@@broughy1322 Thanks for the heads up, is the lowest (max) suspension also what you usually use for every other car's testing?
Just curious
Thanks for an updated video on this!
Saving me so much time and money. Thanks again Broughy ! I’ll have my rs classic for racing and comet s2 for cruisin
Rs classic is not a good racing car
1. sultan rs classic
2. vectre
3. calico
4. growler
5. jester rr
6. chypher
7.euros
8.comet
9. Tailgater S
10. Dominator ASP
11. Previon
12. Remus
13. Dominator GTT
14. RT3000
15. ZR350
16. Futo GTX
17. Warrener HKR
I bought the Vectre for the ULP contact missions surprisingly, and it's doing me a lot of justice in tuner races
Is it just me or does the calico become a completely different car to drive fully modded vs stock, I was grinding my rep using a stock calico to unlock the trade price and I LOVED driving it.
Once i bought and upgraded it though it feels like a vastly different car and im not sure I like it. It felt like it had the perfect balance stock but fully upgraded it just feels way to stiff, idk I'd love to hear feedback if anyone else bought and used the car.
Either way you are my saviour broughy! Returning to the game after buying it on pc once they stopped supporting it on ps3 i binged your videos to get caught up on the fastest cars and was sad to see my turismo is no where near on pace anymore :'(
Edit: After doing a few more races in different lobbies it feels just like my good ole calico again, I honestly think a modder messed with my car in that lobby because it feels much better now and I'm so glad cuz I spent so much on it! 😂
Keep up the great work! ❤
ive been following this channel for years but haven't been subscribed because the physics of the cars after unrealistic. this update however has gotten me invested since i often dominate in my races, and with the quality of comparisons which Broughy's been pumping out, its safe to say im now subscribed, keep up the good work mate
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Much love, thanks for everything you do!
Thanks Broughy!
Thank you so much for your work!
You Got My Support.😁👍
I Smashed That Like Button.😁👍
Now that I think about it does GTF in the name calico gtf stand for gt four because remember the calico gtf is based off the Toyota celica gt four
here's an idea that will probably never happen: R* should create more sub classes like the 'Tuners' sub class. that will make racing a little more interesting than what we have today
Ya like older super Cars
Excellent video mate as always, thanks 👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks again for all your hard work. Great job as always.
If you're curious what an average driver thinks, I found the Calico and Vectre to be the easiest to handle in Street Races. The Growler and Sultan are much harder to keep from spinning out.
Then why can’t 90% of Calico drivers actually drive properly? They’re always absolute fuckbois.
Finally got around to playing this expansion. It's the most fun I've had in GTA. Feels like I'm in Fast & Furious.
Awesome video and this helps a lot. 👍
I am hoping that each week I can get all the tuners for free through Prize Ride challenges. I have more than enough money to buy them all, but I’m way too stingy to do it.
Same! 😅 Their cost is just a drop in the bucket but I just can't bring myself to pay full price...and that's with nothing else left to buy.
Wow these cars are pretty fast, it would be a shame if they were suddenly nerfed or something wacky like that
Good stuff, Broughy
great summary
I can't believe they made the s2000 and rx7 fd so slow. IRL those cars are most capable track cars out of the bunch
You say that when there's literally a Cayman, a 911 and an A90 Supra in the bunch
@@Johnny362000 yeah that do be kinda true tho 😳
Great video!
I consider myself a pretty skilled driver, and I love the sultan Rs classic, I can literally dominate no prob, but whenever I'm stressed or just not feeling my jam it becomes impossible to drive I can definitely tell you it's not a car for everyone, the calico is way more forgiving
I find it to be the complete opposite for me. The Sultan RS and the Vectre feels so much more fun to drive. The Calico's understeer just makes me absolutely furious, because it'll always manage to make me clip into something solid around a tight bend.
DAMNNN same
thanks broughy
THANKS TO BROUGHY1322 FOR THIS VIDEO
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LAP TIME/TOP SPEED
Tier S
1st🥇(Gold) / 8th : Karin Sultan RS classique (1:02.736 / 117.5 mph)
2nd🥈(Silver) / 15th : Emperor Vectre (1:02.930 / 115.3 mph)
3rd🥉(Bronze) / 4th : Karin Calico GTF (1:03.130 / 121.3 mph)
4th/3rd🥉(Bronze) : Pfister Growler (1:03.264 / 121.5 mph)
5th/1st🥇(Gold) : Dinka Jester RR (1:04.364 / 125 mph)
Tier A
6th/16th : Übermacht Cypher (1:04.431 / 113.5 mph)
7th/10th : Annis Euros (1:04.831 / 116.5 mph)
8th/2nd🥈(Silver) : Pfister Comet S2 (1:05.098 / 123 mph)
9th/11th : Obey Tailgater S (1:05.532 / 115.8 mph)
10th/7th : Vapid Dominator ASP (1:05.666 / 119 mph)
Tier B
11th/12th : Karin Previon (1:05.666 / 115.5 mph)
12th/13th : Annis Remus (1:05.933 / 115.5 mph)
13th/14th : Vapid Dominator GTT (1:06.232 / 115.5 mph)
14th/6th : Dinka RT3000 (1:06.499 / 119.3 mph)
15th/9th : Annis ZR350 (1:07.301 / 117.5 mph)
Tier C
16th/5th : Karin Futo GTX (1:10.671 / 119.8 mph)
17th/17th : Vulcar Warrener HKR (1:13.574 / 106.5 mph)
Quick question from the future here. Do the tuner DLC cars still perform the same way did back when you did this video? Or would their lap times be different now with the changes on the handling flags?
different, the changes to the handling flag made them perform somewhere in the middle between this version and the nerfed version
whether he'll retest it and put it in a video remains to be seen
whenever i drive sultan rs classic i get to oversteer and crash calico is really great with stock spoiler
You might have custom wheels that have added too much front-traction bias.
It's safest to leave all the tuners with stock wheels. It's easy to mess up their traction balance, more so than with other cars.
@@CognizantCheddar Wheels don't change the grip bias, the only thing they affect (in some cars) is how the car reacts to bumps
It’s going to be interesting when “Expanded and Enhanced” finally releases and these cars get that speed boost. The Muscle Class and Coupe Class are both going to be ruined while the Sports Class will hopefully have some competition with the Calico possibly being the fastest car in the game by a mile… since R* isn’t giving this speed boost to anything else in the game, which is the most R* thing they’ve done.
Where are you hearing that this speed boost only applies to tbe Tuners
R*: "I'm about to end these cars' whole careers."
_Releases The Contract DLC, with handling flags for all the Tuners._
Honestly i would have loved a 4 way lap comparison between the top4 all in one screen
What would be the laptime on foot around this track? Curious after watching the "Cycles" video
It's just under 6 minutes. I tested it in the very first Cycles video iirc.
@@broughy1322 Thanks!
Thanks dude
Zr350 is a disappointment
Yeah this must be the fastest in tuners class and the RT
The ZR350 & RT3000 should of been way faster than what we were given.
@@FormulaOneFan98 a Mazda rx7? And a Nissan Silvia? I really like these cars, but the most underperformaced car in this dlc is the pfister comet s2, i mean a 911 beaten by a “old” toyota, nissan, subie and cars like a 2020 supra and much others cars considering whole game
Most of the races I join have Catch Up enabled. So which would be the fastest if you’re leading a race with that? I usually choose the Calico as the acceleration out of the corners doesn’t get affected as much as the top speed.
pick a car that doesn't rely on straight line speed then, like the vectre
You drive the cars look getting a lot of grip. How did you do that? And how did you tune the cars? My favourite car is rx-7 in real life, but zr350 is hard to handle
I hate that ZR-350 is such a bad car in this game, lots of wheelspin, and very very low grip.
Dang.
Was hoping the tuners would become this expanded update where any car could be modded and open up racing to some ridiculous rides like a stealth super car taxi with a mean performance but looks like a regular taxi or a sports forklift.
Not this weird pocket universe within the game.
Thanks!
Thanks for the super thanks!
I don't know how and why you based that the best car is sultan. In my personal experience I get good results when I choose calico's car. When I choose sultan,I always finish last on races. So calico is the best.
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They should bring Penumbra FF, Jester Classic and Elegy Custom to Tuner class, where they can compete more. That class would fit good for these cars
I completely agree, the style they have suits Tuners way more and they are too slow in Main Sports class
Nice
Thx!
Is it me or the calico is the best when custom cars are disabled ?
It's the fastest without mods and can even compete with custom vehicles
that would make sense. The Calico gets less of a benefit from upgrades than the other top 4
All these top 4 cars and I’m still winning with the Remus
People sleep on it because it doesn't have amazing speed or acceleration but it handles so well and is very consistent. I've done really well racing with it too though the sultan is faster for sure but easier to mess up with
I've been pulling wins all weekend with my Previon too.
The car lacks power in the straights but it feels so planted on the corners that I can carry more speed on them.
Frankly, I think Broughy's track doesn't really works as a good representation of the tuner tracks, because the Remus, Dominator ASP, Previon and the Cypher definitely doesn't feels as slow as it's shown here.
@@pedinhuh16 one of my fastest laps was with the Cypher
@@pedinhuh16 his track is really aimed for testing all areas of performance where most tracks aren't. Also driver skill and confidence are a bigger deal than car performance a lot of people just pick what is fastest when it isn't really the best car for them. My mate kicked my ass with his comet S2 when I was in a Calico and then I beat him in my Remus so if the previon is working for you that's good I haven't bought it yet I'm hoping it comes as a prize ride soon as long as it doesn't need those goddamn sprint races lol
@@Token_Black_Guy one of mine was with the dominator asp and got the exact same time in the comet S2 lol. I love my cypher it's so nice in corners though while it's not as slow as people make out I do notice a big difference between it and my sultan rs classic but the sultan does have a tendency to spin out in slow speed corners if you're not careful
I still think the Cypher is somewhat competitive. It's light, handles super well and has great grip and acceleration. It is possible to spin out if you push it hard enough but it's very easy to manage. It lacks in top speed unfortunately so it's only really viable in tight corner races but it can definitely hold its own. You could argue the Vectre covers the same role while being faster but the Cypher feels still much lighter than it. Also I think it has the best brakes amongst all tuners.
i brought the s2 i still love it even though it in 8th
I noticed a different line through corner five I think where the vectre curb boosts and the sultan doesn’t, unless that doesn’t effect the speed through that sector is like to see that run again 🤷♂️
Great video but I would NOT recommend the sultan rs classic for street racing... Or for any racing!! It can not handle bumps at all and it is very hard to hit corners, without it over steering.
Basically, if you can master the sultan rs classic. You can drive any other car on the tuners list with ease
Recently used the Prize Ride Growler for races, & yeah...just Broughy said in his Growler lap time testing vid, I can't attack the corners with much confidence... I had to slow down every corner, more often so than the Calico, just so I can keep it straight, yet it doesn't have the acceleration to make up for it like the Calico.
Despite the car's performance in the top tier, I'll likely fair better with the Euros & Jester RR of the 2 tier against the top dogs 'cause of their consistent traction.
Alot of people say that they hate the calico in the corners but I bomb corners with it, I won the vectre today from the price ride so I'm gunna start trying that out, I got like 160 mill but I hate not getting my cars free or atleast discounted and/or on sale
Here are the best cars I use for each street races.
Business end: Calico
Beachfront runner: Calico
Up your alley: Sultan RS classic
Home street home: Sultan RS classic
Country pursuits: Sultan RS classic
Back at the rancho: Jester RR / Previon / Cypher
High Society: Jester RR
I've got destroyed on beachfront runner cuz there's a Chinese dude put 1 lap and non contact race, he used jester RR and I used Calico gtf no chance whatsoever
I was surprised! I assumed calico was best. My go to car has been the dominator ASP
Lower the suspension all the way on the vectre guys to gain the maximum traction in corners. Don’t even bother with it if custom cars are turned off
i love how balanced they are
I tried looking at the spreadsheet but still dont understand the best mods for the jester rr. I love it but mine understeers alot
i wonder whether street and pursuit races will be opened up to other classes
What about a car v car now, Warreners vs Vectres?
What suspension are you using when you test?
The lowest for all these cars is best, with the exception of the sultan
Hey broughy you may have to redo this after new update because they're supposed to be bringing more tuner and super cars
he already knows thats a possibility
There will be update videos, just like always for every DLC and for every class since 2014.
@@broughy1322 that's why I love your videos. I can't wait to see the emerus vs Zeno soon and the breakdown of the Shinobi
Reminder that the lowest suspension for sultan rs classic IS NOT the best modification for it
What is the best suspension setup for it?
@@gbales84 stock I think
@@gbales84 I've found recently either lowered or street. Street has so much more grip than lowered, but it becomes unstable on bumps.
I have won most of my tuner races with the calico, I had to get used to it tho, way too much understeer so it’s important to control the gas pedal
The jester RR, the zr350, and the sultan classic are my personal favorites. I thubk the zr350 is my favorite cause im one of those rx7 fan boys the website selling it talks about lol
The crazy thing is I used to watch videos on cars to buy now I have all of them lol
So whats the best car around a lap but offroad for rally races? Still the issi sport, or is the calico or the new sultan any faster?
I had an idea to show the difference between each car. Could you use the in game editor to place a camera above the track that can see all of it, and then overly each car over each other so you can sort of see each cars ghost?
the in-game editor can't zoom out that far. Also you can already easily see the difference in side-by-side comaprisons
@@Johnny362000 Oh thats a shame. And I know, but I come from track mania and the replays of the thousands of cars spilling out of the start gate is always interesting to watch.
I love the ZR350 too much and to see it in 15th place... I'm basically disappointed by Rockstar Game, but that doesn't mean I'll ever ride it again!
My favourite Is Jester RR. I wanted that the futo gtx was more controllable and competitive.
I don't know why, but of the top 3, i've found the Calico the most reliable on races, Sultan RS Classic just try to go everywhere when the suspension updates