Schoen finally had cap room and brought in Runyan, GVR, Eluminor, Motor, and Adoree. He drafted Nabers, Nubin, Philips, Johnson and Tracy. That’s a big takent influx in 1 yr He deserves another year with 65 M and top 2 pick in most rounds
I don't get paid by any sports org., yet I called this out perfectly. Someone needs to be fired for letting Saquon go and they would not win until Daniel Jones is gone.
Ed, you are like a very fine 12-year old single malt Scotch. You need to be sipped and savored. I applaud you for TD aboard to autopsy your optimism. I think you two are the first-ever podcasters I know to do that! Bravo! A Giants fan of 58 years appreciates all you and Tony do to muddle through the mud of ‘24. One other thought about the very incredibly strong campaign Malik Nabors is having. His numbers are extraordinary- for us of the “old guard 14-game mindset” (really 12 due to injuries). Let’s us out the pieces to this puzzle together for guys like him. He deserves better than what he’s given us this season! Thanks for the great work, always!
Instead of wasting 5M on Lock, would have picked up Fields as the backup. if he was here and Jones was gone, could have at least given him a look for the future. If he fails you tried but better than Lock
Giants fans don’t just want to win. They want to see forward thinking: smart thinking; inventive and good decisions. We see none of this. To the contrary, ever thing seems stupid and ill considered.
There's an assumption that GMs/coaches are what they are on day 1. You wouldn't expect that from a player- you give a player the chance to develop. I think Shoen is developing and just had his best off-season. Giving up on him now would be doing it just when he's figuring it out
I dont see how anyone could see the decision making process of Joe Schoen, through Hard Knocks or through general observation, and believe hes the best guy to go get our guy and build this team
I can’t believe people think JJ Mcarthy is better than either one of these guys. And there is no such thing as a “sure thing.” Daniels hasn’t even played a full season yet.
Just because they didn’t have a choice on DJ the press didn’t have to go along with it but you went panting like little puppies at the gate to training camp.
It's funny hearing about DJ in this video. Now that he's gone, where is the improvement? NOW the media recognizes ALL the other problems this team has with personnel, coaching and drafting?!! Give me a break. Imagine you're a starting qb for this dumpster fire. Your trash o-line is getting you pounded into the turf over and over and the media talking heads say what? Poor ball security, that's the problem. When your receivers routinely drop balls, what does the media have to say? They are all too happy to put up your poor completion percentage and low rating for all the world to see. When your o-line can't run or pass block, the media opines about the lack of the LONG ball?!! What would you do in such a case? Would YOU try to "throw your receivers open"? I'm sorry but that's a fools errand, no matter how you slice it. If you're playing for your career the way he was this year, on every drop back, these are your 3 options- 1. Throw high percentage pass 2. Run for at least some gain and slide 3. Hand the ball off to a rb No picks, low drops, no ints. And oh yeah, no production. Anything else by ANY of our qb's gets you killed in the media and/or on the field. This also applies to whomever they draft next year until we see noticeable improvement on the o-line and skill players. Take a look at DJ's games in his first and second years, vs the last couple and you will see a noticeable difference. I'm not stumping for Jones, I'm really asking the question, what's going to change when we draft a new qb next year given what we've seen with 4 different qb's this year facing the same problems? We can't even keep a qb on the field at this point!🙄🤦♂️
George Young and Ray Perkins got the Giants in the playoffs in 1981 after 18 years of missing out the playoffs. 3 years from 1979. That 1981 team was short on talent on offense, but they were much more disciplined, unlike this team. I will say some coaches are good coordinators but bad head coaches. To me, Daboll is a bad head coach. His teams are undisciplined and fundamentally flawed. Poor in getting the team ready to start the season 2 out of 3 years. Too many red flags. I could go one further, but I won't.
@jpetuch Go back and look at data. The 1980 defense sucked. It was drafting LT and naming Bill Parcells' defensive coordinator turned the defense around. Fundamentals are still the same. This hasn't changed.
Only with the Giants can you be absolute dead last in the NFL, worst year in franchise history (100 years), and still suggest the current regime should stay 🤦♂️ This franchise is a joke with the lowest of standards. And stop crediting Schoen and Daboll for Josh Allen. Looks like he’s been doing just fine without them.
During camp all you media types were telling us that DJ was a football god. The reporting reflected all the good versus all the bad in camp. They promised Lock that he would have a chance to start and you went along with the lie.
C’mon. You were just buttering your own bread at the start of the season. DJ had one good year and you guys said he was the answer. No sugar coating please.
This is daboll fault because he the one making the coaching decisions substitutions depth chart management and game planning those are coaching decisions this is dabolls fault
At the end of the day Joe schoen can’t draft. His drafts have been terrible and this team is worse off now than it was when he took over 3 years ago and I’m not just talking about the record I’m talking about the roster. It’s a terrible roster and Brian dabol has not done enough to keep his job. John Mara is an idiot and thinks that because Joe schoen modernized the building that means he’s a good GM. We will look back on John keeping Joe and Brian in 3 years from now and wish they were fired.
Why do you guys that write for this Organization never tell the truth, is it because you're afraid n pressured by the PR Dept. That they might restrict you from access to certain perks or fire you?!
Giants fans don’t just want to win. They want to see forward thinking: smart thinking; inventive and good decisions. We see none of this. To the contrary, ever thing seems stupid and ill considered.
Schoen finally had cap room and brought in Runyan, GVR, Eluminor, Motor, and Adoree. He drafted Nabers, Nubin, Philips, Johnson and Tracy. That’s a big takent influx in 1 yr
He deserves another year with 65 M and top 2 pick in most rounds
Josh allen also had carsan palmer brother also worked with josh Allen. In the off season i believe
Wouldn’t be surprised to see all the beat writers start making a case for keeping them because giants want them to
Schoen is a scouts GM? He can’t draft!!!!!
Too many misses. Especially in the top 100
I don't get paid by any sports org., yet I called this out perfectly. Someone needs to be fired for letting Saquon go and they would not win until Daniel Jones is gone.
Ed, you are like a very fine 12-year old single malt Scotch. You need to be sipped and savored. I applaud you for TD aboard to autopsy your optimism. I think you two are the first-ever podcasters I know to do that! Bravo! A Giants fan of 58 years appreciates all you and Tony do to muddle through the mud of ‘24.
One other thought about the very incredibly strong campaign Malik Nabors is having. His numbers are extraordinary- for us of the “old guard 14-game mindset” (really 12 due to injuries).
Let’s us out the pieces to this puzzle together for guys like him. He deserves better than what he’s given us this season!
Thanks for the great work, always!
I honestly don’t think Mara gave Schoen a choice.
Instead of wasting 5M on Lock, would have picked up Fields as the backup. if he was here and Jones was gone, could have at least given him a look for the future. If he fails you tried but better than Lock
Because the fanbase thought the rebuild they begged for would last 11 minutes?
Man Barker Mayfield was an option smh
Giants fans don’t just want to win. They want to see forward thinking: smart thinking; inventive and good decisions. We see none of this. To the contrary, ever thing seems stupid and ill considered.
Joe Shoen is a bad GM period now we're making excuses for him like a lot of Giants fans did with Daniel Jones smh. Here we go again
There's an assumption that GMs/coaches are what they are on day 1. You wouldn't expect that from a player- you give a player the chance to develop. I think Shoen is developing and just had his best off-season. Giving up on him now would be doing it just when he's figuring it out
I dont see how anyone could see the decision making process of Joe Schoen, through Hard Knocks or through general observation, and believe hes the best guy to go get our guy and build this team
I can’t believe people think JJ Mcarthy is better than either one of these guys. And there is no such thing as a “sure thing.” Daniels hasn’t even played a full season yet.
Just because they didn’t have a choice on DJ the press didn’t have to go along with it but you went panting like little puppies at the gate to training camp.
It's funny hearing about DJ in this video. Now that he's gone, where is the improvement? NOW the media recognizes ALL the other problems this team has with personnel, coaching and drafting?!! Give me a break. Imagine you're a starting qb for this dumpster fire. Your trash o-line is getting you pounded into the turf over and over and the media talking heads say what? Poor ball security, that's the problem. When your receivers routinely drop balls, what does the media have to say? They are all too happy to put up your poor completion percentage and low rating for all the world to see. When your o-line can't run or pass block, the media opines about the lack of the LONG ball?!! What would you do in such a case? Would YOU try to "throw your receivers open"? I'm sorry but that's a fools errand, no matter how you slice it. If you're playing for your career the way he was this year, on every drop back, these are your 3 options-
1. Throw high percentage pass
2. Run for at least some gain and slide
3. Hand the ball off to a rb
No picks, low drops, no ints. And oh yeah, no production. Anything else by ANY of our qb's gets you killed in the media and/or on the field. This also applies to whomever they draft next year until we see noticeable improvement on the o-line and skill players. Take a look at DJ's games in his first and second years, vs the last couple and you will see a noticeable difference. I'm not stumping for Jones, I'm really asking the question, what's going to change when we draft a new qb next year given what we've seen with 4 different qb's this year facing the same problems? We can't even keep a qb on the field at this point!🙄🤦♂️
Your part of the media who have been pressured to be all nicey nicey to the giants.
George Young and Ray Perkins got the Giants in the playoffs in 1981 after 18 years of missing out the playoffs. 3 years from 1979. That 1981 team was short on talent on offense, but they were much more disciplined, unlike this team. I will say some coaches are good coordinators but bad head coaches. To me, Daboll is a bad head coach. His teams are undisciplined and fundamentally flawed. Poor in getting the team ready to start the season 2 out of 3 years. Too many red flags. I could go one further, but I won't.
Defense was pretty good before 1981 and its was the affect of one player, LT. Game was very different bak then.
@jpetuch Go back and look at data. The 1980 defense sucked. It was drafting LT and naming Bill Parcells' defensive coordinator turned the defense around. Fundamentals are still the same. This hasn't changed.
Sigb Darnold rather than overreach
Only with the Giants can you be absolute dead last in the NFL, worst year in franchise history (100 years), and still suggest the current regime should stay 🤦♂️
This franchise is a joke with the lowest of standards. And stop crediting Schoen and Daboll for Josh Allen. Looks like he’s been doing just fine without them.
Because Daboll really be him. Worst coach in the league
During camp all you media types were telling us that DJ was a football god. The reporting reflected all the good versus all the bad in camp. They promised Lock that he would have a chance to start and you went along with the lie.
C’mon. You were just buttering your own bread at the start of the season. DJ had one good year and you guys said he was the answer. No sugar coating please.
This is daboll fault because he the one making the coaching decisions substitutions depth chart management and game planning those are coaching decisions this is dabolls fault
At the end of the day Joe schoen can’t draft. His drafts have been terrible and this team is worse off now than it was when he took over 3 years ago and I’m not just talking about the record I’m talking about the roster. It’s a terrible roster and Brian dabol has not done enough to keep his job. John Mara is an idiot and thinks that because Joe schoen modernized the building that means he’s a good GM. We will look back on John keeping Joe and Brian in 3 years from now and wish they were fired.
Why do you guys that write for this Organization never tell the truth, is it because you're afraid n pressured by the PR Dept. That they might restrict you from access to certain perks or fire you?!
Yes.
Giants fans don’t just want to win. They want to see forward thinking: smart thinking; inventive and good decisions. We see none of this. To the contrary, ever thing seems stupid and ill considered.