They are okay. I like Anthony a lot more than Alex. I think Anthony knows a little bit more about the X’s and O’s. Wish Alex would get some public speaking training. Too much stumbling and bumbling.
The season is lost. There is no sense trying to win games now. If they should win their last two games they'll be picking at #8, maybe higher. Two more losses will help. Wouldn't it be nice to pick up someone like Jayden Daniels next year?
No way the Giants win these next two games unless their opponents just move out the way & let them score on every possession & purposely don’t score on offense.
I like Anthony a lot more. I think he knows his X’s and O’s more. Also, Alex stumbles and bumbles too much for me. He would benefit from public speaking training.
I don't know if we should just say Sanders or Ward is the pick for us!! I feel like we all need to evaluate the QB position cause we can't afford to miss out on a qb that we could have pick. Giants front office need to pump the brake and really scout the QB position and look at Drew Allar and other option at QB I can tell you this is very important that we get this right. Please because everybody did over look BO nix and now he's the front runner for rookie of the year. We can't afford not to really looking at the qb position and which qb fits us best.
I don't think this ever gets cleaned up until we start dropping legacy hires and family members that make any decision of note. We do not draft well or develop well and that needs to change. Sadly, I don't think there is any chance this will happen.
Fire Joe and Fire Daboll Clean house Press that reset button until it works The fact Mara has stated “I don’t want to start fresh again.” Shows he needs to hire a consultant firm to do it. He needs to do whatever it takes to get this franchise to its glory.
I don't know if we should just say Sanders or Ward is the pick for us!! I feel like we all need to evaluate the QB position cause we can't afford to miss out on a qb that we could have pick. Giants front office need to pump the brake and really scout the QB position and look at Drew Allar and other option at QB I can tell you this is very important that we get this right. Please because everybody did over look BO nix and now he's the front runner for rookie of the year. We can't afford not to really looking at the qb position like and which qb fits us best.
Honestly guys i think adding a rookie qb to this mess would be disastrous. We have no leaders on this team on the field or the front office. Trade the first pick and get a kings ransom for next year's draft.
Because you want Arch Manning right. Smh… we draft in the top 3 we have to take a QB . You build around a prominent QB. You can’t build a team without knowing the QB you have.
I'd be fine if it was a legit blue chip QB prospect. Sanders and Ward are lottery tickets, probably a waste of time and $$$ but you hope you get lucky because you're desperate.
@countrydan85 all im saying is that the bengals at least had a skeleton b4 Burrow, the Texans struck gold hiring Demeco Ryans b4 Stroud and the Commanders flooded the roster with veterans b4 McDaniels. The giants are young with no leaders and barely any talent
Daniel Jones contract wasn’t bad at the time, 2 years guaranteed after a solid season where we won a playoff game. They offered Saquon the same money in the 2023 offseason that the Beagles offered him this year. Danny Dimes crippled our season this year, he wasn’t the same off the ACL. Keep Daboll and Schoen for another 2 years at least with their QB. Schoen had a really good draft this year and he pulled off the Burns trade. Plus, their decision to let Saquon go opened up the ability to have a shot at the No. 1 pick plus a compensatory 3rd coming.
@@markmatulic9905he didn’t draft well the previous 2 drafts but a C this year??? Absolutely not. Nabers is a stud, Nubin looks solid, Phillips is a stud, Tracy looks like a good RB, Theo Johnson looks promising
This is what I’ve been saying. 2 more years. You can’t keep changing every 2-3 years and expect success. They have to see it through including learning from their mistakes. 4th coach since Coughlin. C’mon, enough of this. I don’t want to keep starting over because there’s no patience. Get the QB. Keep improving the Oline. Fill some holes (next to Dex and at CB). Get healthy (anyone see the injury list??). Build depth. They can do all of that this offseason between the draft and free agency. DJ had the physical skills he just wasn’t decisive enough. No pocket awareness either. Ward appears to be the opposite. That alone could have accounted for at least 3 more wins first half of the year. Now there isn’t anything left to evaluate seriously.
@roshan2865 the correct pic should have been penix then take a receiver 2nd. Nubin is ok. Theo Johnson is a butter fingers boy idk what you see in him and Tracy is a fumbles machine. Mehhhhh. Plus his he fucked up the 5th and 7th pick he should be fired
My dream scenario is we hire Will McClay & Ben Johnson. Draft Shedeur & bring Pat Shumur along with him as our new OC. The cherry on top would be Robert Saleh at DC.
None of those people are signing here, because they know they’ll have 2 years before the impatient owner jettisons them at the behest of the ASYLUM portion of the fanbase. You’ll get Dennis Hickey as your next GM. Next head coach will be a failed and unwanted retread looking for one last shot. Think Anthony Lynn, Arthur Smith, Doug Pederson, Brandon Staley, or Vance Joseph.
Daboll and Schoen lost the locker room. I think it's safe to say that. These players really are not trying like they were in the early games of the season. We need a new spark. New QB, GM and HC and they'll have a reason to be hopeful again
I don't think you guys put enough of the blame on the owner of the team. One thing you mention that was the big difference between the commanders and the Giants is new ownership. New ownership came in for the commanders and cleaned house. Mara isn't built like that.
Best move we can do whoever gm is. Trade down get a haul build a team and grab cousins for a yr or two. Draft qb next yr. Next yrs qb class much much stronger
And how do they get that QB next year or in 2 years if they aren’t a top 5 pick? Falcons have a better roster and Cousins was still bad. The Giants roster is far worse
Last year Qb was strong what’s the excuse for skipping out on that draft class? Also I wonder if Arch manning was in this draft class would you still consider trading the #1 pick? (Just asking for a couple of friends, we tryna see something real quick)
Im a Cam guy and a fire joe guy. Drafting is a talent and if you haven’t been able to draft wel in 3 years you sure as hell cant make me believe you will finally get it. You either have it or you dont joe drafts like shit bye bye
I'm not putting too much stock in his 2024 draft until we see what they do beyond their rookie years, so I don't like using that as an excuse to keep him. Name me his best picks of the 2022 and 2023 drafts
How are we still asking if this team is losing on purpose? YES! Yes they are losing on purpose! You’re refusing to accept what’s right in front of your face
I don’t think I am refusing to see what is right in front of my eyes. I think what is in front of my eyes is the worst team in football and this is what that looks like. That is a lot worse.
Speaking of the O line as you do your draft review check out these O lineman. WVU LT Wyatt Milum he will probably be gone but he is good plays both LT and RT and he is from my alma mater so I had to mention him. 2 mid-round O lineman that can fix the depth of the O line immedatley in my opinion are: North Dakota State University LT Gray Zabel plays both LT & RT willing to learn C and is technically sound. Cincinati Bearcats RG Luke Kandra an Elite pass protector in 2022 and Elite run blocker in 2023 according to PFF and can play all three interior O line spots Adding Zabel and Kandra would add depth at all 5 spots on the line. Zabel would be a day one swing tackle while Kandra could provide a back up C as well as could compete to be the starting RT
I saw a mock draft that had us taking that WVU tackle in Round 2. I definitely want another interior DL to pair with Dex. Idk what options there would be in FA or the draft
No one can complain about Nabors performance in keep a straight face.... But Giants should have dumped GM an Coach end of 2023 and let the new GM/HC pick their QB in an awesome QB draft and give them a 3 year leash to show solid improvement. This draft is just not the QB draft of last year... its not. I would have been happy with the top 4 QBs taken last year and yes I would have taken one over Nabors.... but this year? I just don't see it. I think the Giants will be the Giants of recent years and keep the coach the GM draft a QB and ruin his career in the process and then finally fire coach and gm at end of 2025. Let's hope the QB draft is solid then too.
@@jdjordan4425 Fire an HC and GM after winning a playoff game and after their second year here. Don’t give me THAT garbage. Put the crack pipe down and go to a clinic.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 Ok... using your logic are the Giants progressing or regressing? GM and HC lost me when they decided to pay Jones like he was Mahomes and let players walk like Barkley. They are a joke and will completely ruin any rookie QB unfortunate enough to be drafted by them. Also... why havent they been looking for quality QBs late in the draft, even after paying Jones 10 times what he is worth?
Sometimes the problem with us is we try too hard Daniel jones reach, evan Neal reach, we need to pick the guy that’s THE GUY already not a project SANDERS 🔥🔥perfect timing
These few fans that keep saying “trade down and build the team” I wonder if they would be saying that same thing if Arch manning was coming out the draft this year? 🤔
If you don't think they are trying to tank, you're not paying attention. Did you think they were gonna take out an ad in the New York Times to tell you.
I think you guys should stop talking about firing the GM and the head coach unless you are putting names to your desire. We need an actual name of a GM and the head coach who are available. Not just saying oh yeah they should get a new GM because that helps nothing. Names. That’s your job as Giants content creators. Give us names. Or stop talking about it.
They got nothing. They’re irrational and just want blood. They think this would be a PRIME opening. Here’s the bleak truth-fire them, and watch nobody good want to interview here. Watch Mara be too traumatized to attempt another outside hire. Get ready for Dennis Hickey or Kevin Abrams as your GM, and a list of failed retreads to get their second or third chance at HC.
It’s not up to me to come up with names. It’s up to Mara and Tisch and their consulting company. I will say that there are 32 asst. GMs, OCs and DCs in the league. Not to mention guys who have been around before and might deserve a second chance. It’s not like Schoen and Daboll are the only guys out there.
@@JohnFerraro-l9b is this your channel? I’m talking to the guys who run this channel. On that note though…why are we giving guys we don’t know 2nd chances but not the guys here? Complaining just to complain does nothing but I understand because they need views.
@@JohnFerraro-l9b “guys who have been around before and might deserve a second chance”. Oh goody! Failed retreads! Dennis Hickey as GM! Mike Zimmer or Frank Reich as HC!
I hate how Alex acts like Shedeur can’t be as good of a star as Ward in the NFL lol they are closer in talent than he makes it seem check the stats you’ll see otherwise they are both really good
Here is thing if you bring in new people they will take another 2 years. At least this regime know they on the clock. If I were the media I would focus on what they need improve on
The draft class from 2022 draft class is on Gettleman and not Schoen. Gettleman was still in the building the scouts were Gettleman's and the draft board was Gettleman's. So that class although Schoen made the picks it was Gettleman's class.
He’s not staying here just to be scapegoated in two years and have fans like you demand his firing this time next year. He’s packing his bags. Dennis Hickey will be promoted to GM. Book it.
Reasons I disagree with firing Schoen and Daboll. 1) Schoen has been forced to use the draft to fill holes. Schoen has done a decent job with trades and free agency Mara I think pushed to resgn Jones after 2022 because Schoen was going to let Jones go which is why he didn't pick up the 5th year option Schoen has made a huge improvement to the O line which is better than it was for more than a decade. I know it lacks depth but it's still improved. 2) As for Daboll let's start with the fact that the team although 2 - 13 right now with a good kicker not missing time the team is at least 5 - 10 and possibly 7 - 8. With a decent QB they may even be sitting at 9 wins right now. Daboll has coached his ass off getting the most out of Jones adjusting plays calls and doing things to assist bad QBs be competitive. DeVitto won 3 games last year Taylor Won 2 games last year. Lock had them in position to win in Dallas this year and Tim Boyle almost beat the Saints. Daboll has gotten a ton out of terrible QBs give him a talented QB and those games they almost won become Ws
Problem I have w ur assessment. Schoen has forced himself to draft replacements for holes. Ex 1) We didn’t need to draft Tyler Nubin had we signed McKinney. Also, had we signed Julian Love at the affordable deal he got, we could’ve had him and a later draft pick (for safety) instead of Nubin. Ex 2: Schoen keeps drafting Oline and missing, so we have to allocate funds to FA olineman. Ex 3: he’s drafted two 2nd day Tight Ends and practically three if u consider the 3rd traded for Waller. Ex 4: he let go Tyrod and filled the qb room w Drew Lock and DeVito 💀. This dude is an awful gm
I'm still upset that I'm the only one upset about not starting bellinger at the beginning of the season.. didn't you see that catch on 3rd down vs the falcons? That's all he's done ever and you start a rookie over him? That rookie dropped alot of conversions at the beginning of the season.
In my opinion, the New York Giants regime purposely tanked especially after they decided to bench Daniel Jones. Mara, Schoen & Daboll are all in this so they can draft a top QB.
Dak, Jordan love and Brock Purdy were low draft picks that worked bc the coaching staff was consistent and they were developed properly; something I have zero faith this current coaching staff can do. They all have to go now to allow a new coaching staff to grow and build with the QB. It’s a tried and true method as both of you have said. At the very least Daboll, Kafka and Bowen need to leave along with Dabolls assistants. I’d like Schoen gone too but all signs point to him staying.
@@TrollKing2781 The roster becomes good with proper development. The problem is, we can't actually properly evaluate most of Schoen's picks bc the coaching is so bad we don't know if it was the coaching or lack of talented picks. Experts everywhere praised the picks of KT and Evan Neal at 5 and 7. Most saw them as can't miss. Mel Kiper literally had evan neal as the 5th best player in the draft and KT was 7th best player in the draft. Todd McShay had KT as the 6th best player in the draft and Evan Neal as the 4th best player in the draft early on. Now one is irrelevant and the other is a solid piece but nothing special. You tell me if that falls on lack of development or bad picks? You can't bc we can't evaluate them properly until there is a better coaching staff (if they aren't completely ruined already).
@azikkii And this is my point. Everyone is screaming for a new qb wen truthfully tht was nvr the actual product. Jones was a product of failed COACHING. I been saying this. Do Not draft another qb until we have competent coaching and play calling in the building. Saying all tht I would like to keep daboll at least so he can grow as well I think he can still be a good coach. But the scouts, the position coaches rn are bottom of the barrel. Except Carmine. Draft more positions of need and continue to get talent in the building. And hope for the best
If you don't have your franchise QB its best to lose, if you're the Panthers, Jacksonville or any team that believes they have their guy at QB then you should try and win every game to increase moral/culture. Having said that these QBs this year are not like last year. I would take every QB from last yr before any QB this year including JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix who i believe both would go 1st overall this year But you still have to yo take your shot with either Shedeur or Cam because without a QB you're just existing in the NFL.
I want to see Daboll and Schone fired but this team isn’t bad because of the roster. It’s the horrible coaching and the DJ signing. This roster is far better than the 2022 roster. We just don’t have someone competent enough to run it
If I'm Joe Shcoen. I'm taking Sanders with the 1st. Milroe with the 2nd. Best available player 3-7. Sign Higgins. Sign a Guard. Go get Chevarious Ward!!! Whatever it takes.
Another glaring argument against keeping schoen, he had the opportunity to get Russell Wilson, and instead of paying Russ 2 million and giving him a potential starting opportunity they chose to overpay drew lock!
idk man i just don’t really know it’s the play to just keep firing coaches & gms after 1-2 bad seasons, seems like just the same old thing at the moment just recycling coaches & firing them after 1-2 years. really think we just give them both an opportunity to choose their qb & then properly evaluate them
Hey Fireside & G-Fam, how about B2 (Brandon Brown) as our new GM & then picks Deion (Sanders) as his new HC?…Obvs, he’ll pick his boy Shedeur to be his/our QB….While Deion’s at it, might as well snag his own OC/QB Coach & our past HC in Pat Shurmur as Shedeur’s & NYG’s OC/QB Coach? Yes, IK…It’s the things that make you go hmmm?🤔 But, what y’all think? Just my 0.02 cents.
I'm sorry Alex but I have to disagree with something you said. "Someone has to pay for letting 2 of your best players leave". I know that's a reference to Barkley and McKinney. The giants have so many holes, we can't pay top of the market for a safety and a RB now. You can spend money on those positions as cherry on top type of acquisitions. Look who signed those players teams that have tons of talent and those guys put them over the top. We need to build out our lines. Build inside out. We are so far away from adding players like that to big contracts!
Alex you don’t know football Shurder Sanders is a superstar now. He’s a Joe Borrower and Tom Brady type player. Sanders going to blaze the league up just watch
Clean house again. Bring in a proven experienced GM and a disciplined hard nosed head coach. This team needs leaders and fighters. Right now we are a soft team.
easy to see the problem in picking qb with #1- pick ,look at last year with stroud and young , young goes first to carolina who did not have the coaching or roster for him to be successful ,texans take stroud who had the coaching and players for him to succeed. giants may want to trade pick to #3 or# 4 team, then pick travis hunter + more picks & take qb later or F.A. signing
Schoen and Daboll have been here 3 years. The roster and results have gotten worse over that period of time. There are 31 other teams in the NFL that have staffs to look at to help improve this team. I would love it if the team chooses Vrabel for head coach. Anyone with talent was sent packing by Schoen and Josh Allen isn’t here for Daboll to lean on. Mr. Mara…please clean house and hire someone from a winning franchise.
Thanks guys for keeping content going in a putrid season. Daboll has been a dead man walking since day 1. Dead man waking. I don't know what his process is they are so married to but it sucks. Of course...who will we get and who wants to come here?
This is the least excited about an upcoming draft as I’ve ever been. Sure, glad we will almost certainly have our pick of QB but do any of you see us winning 7 games next year with Ward or Sanders?
I saw DJ throw passes that were under / over thrown, behind or ahead to open receivers all year long. Coach did I horrible job of not addressing it sooner . I do expect a lot better next year.
Agreed. Leave to the Giants to not screw their draft position in a shit QB draft. Instead of signing a bridge QB, they're going to draft one 1st overall 😆
The giants probably will be shit next season but its not about just next season, you draft a QB in the first round to ideally develop and evaluate over at least the next 5 years. Theres a reason why rookie contracts are 4-5 seasons and not just 1
Anthony…how you gonna bash the organization for valuing Lock, when just a few weeks ago you were talking like he could come in after they benched DJ and win games
I disagree with the assessment of the game lastnight Penix had 0 to do with the Giants losing that game. For as lopsided as the score was. About midway through the second quarter the Giants were on the verge of gong up double digits. Then Lock threw a pick 6 that changed the momentum of the game. All together Lock gave Atlanta 21 of their 34 points. 2 pick 6s and a fumble that setup a TD run. Really it could have and should have been 13 - 7. With a decnt QB the Giants probably win that game by double digits with no other changed to the roster.
ok but have you considered that we should completely ignore all of the bad draft misses, terrible qb contracts and lack of development, worst roster in the league, historically bad season in the 3rd year of the regime and instead let schoen and daboll draft their own qb because they've only had 3 years to try to ruin this franchise and they should have another 1-2 years to finish the job? We still have 2 wins this season, we shouldn't let them go until 0-17! this is what every argument for keeping these two clowns sounds like.
Draft picks are too valuable. So you're willing to give up Tracey for a shot at rattler? Maybe, but that's a luxury pick. When the cowgirls took Prescott and the 49ers took Purdy they didn't have a lot of holes those years. You only have 7 rounds these days. The draft used to be 20+ rounds, then 16, then 12.... Back when it was 12 or 14 Washington, under Gibbs, had the strategy of drafting a QB every year, just to see what they could get. They won three SBs with 3 different QBs. It was a different time.
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Alex made some great points, Schoen is about to try and rebuild again on top of his own rebuild.
exactly!
@@firesidegiants compete today rebuild tomorrow fail rebuild again fail rebuild again
Its simple they arent good enough to win another game,the tank isnt proven to be intentional. Get the franchise QB and build around him.
This is the time they start winning. The games that are meaningless! They'll end up picking #20 in the draft.
@@thelakeman5207Not with Drew Lock that defense. If Tyrod Taylor is playing, they probably win more games
Antonio Pierce a Giant for life winning
The Giants will go Jaxon Dart before they go with Ward or Sanders..Wake up people
@@michaelanthony283stop bro
Yes, winning 3 games. 3-13.
Team Cam over here. Peace
Great Job guys!
I like the point of Schoen/Daboll's best season being with Gettlemans roster.
They are okay. I like Anthony a lot more than Alex. I think Anthony knows a little bit more about the X’s and O’s. Wish Alex would get some public speaking training. Too much stumbling and bumbling.
Sorry, I posted my comment to the wrong guy.
Not only is this an injury problem its a mental issue,the players arent into playing hard.
The season is lost. There is no sense trying to win games now. If they should win their last two games they'll be picking at #8, maybe higher. Two more losses will help. Wouldn't it be nice to pick up someone like Jayden Daniels next year?
No way the Giants win these next two games unless their opponents just move out the way & let them score on every possession & purposely don’t score on offense.
Bring in pat shurmur with shedeur
Just wanna say, I love these one hour episodes, just two giants fans genuinely sharing their disgust with this franchise
I like Anthony a lot more. I think he knows his X’s and O’s more. Also, Alex stumbles and bumbles too much for me. He would benefit from public speaking training.
I don't know if we should just say Sanders or Ward is the pick for us!! I feel like we all need to evaluate the QB position cause we can't afford to miss out on a qb that we could have pick. Giants front office need to pump the brake and really scout the QB position and look at Drew Allar and other option at QB I can tell you this is very important that we get this right. Please because everybody did over look BO nix and now he's the front runner for rookie of the year. We can't afford not to really looking at the qb position and which qb fits us best.
I do like Ward the most but let's truly evaluate the position and other prospects before penciling in Ward or Sanders
I don't think this ever gets cleaned up until we start dropping legacy hires and family members that make any decision of note. We do not draft well or develop well and that needs to change. Sadly, I don't think there is any chance this will happen.
Not as long as mara is alive
It doesn't matter who we take unless we get coaches that can develope
Shedeur #Legendary
Fire Joe and Fire Daboll
Clean house
Press that reset button until it works
The fact Mara has stated “I don’t want to start fresh again.” Shows he needs to hire a consultant firm to do it. He needs to do whatever it takes to get this franchise to its glory.
The Cleveland Carousel method. Yeah, THAT will work😂
If they fire Daboll, then Devito goes too. What about Tommy Cutlets and his agent ? What happens to them ?
@ seeya.
@@MartialFit50who cares lmao
I thought Schoen and Daboll signed 5 year contract.
They each have another 2 full years.
I don't know if we should just say Sanders or Ward is the pick for us!! I feel like we all need to evaluate the QB position cause we can't afford to miss out on a qb that we could have pick. Giants front office need to pump the brake and really scout the QB position and look at Drew Allar and other option at QB I can tell you this is very important that we get this right. Please because everybody did over look BO nix and now he's the front runner for rookie of the year. We can't afford not to really looking at the qb position like and which qb fits us best.
I can see the Sheagles benching everyone and putting us in the situation to win that last game and we drop in the draft
I don’t think we could beat their second stringers. I’m not sure we could beat their 3rd stringers.
Eagles will likely need that game
Honestly guys i think adding a rookie qb to this mess would be disastrous. We have no leaders on this team on the field or the front office. Trade the first pick and get a kings ransom for next year's draft.
You need a partner who's willing to dance.
Because you want Arch Manning right. Smh… we draft in the top 3 we have to take a QB . You build around a prominent QB. You can’t build a team without knowing the QB you have.
@TrollKing2781 Raiders.
They'll proabaly be picking 5th.
Let them reach for Sanders, and take either Abdul Carter or Mason Graham.
I'd be fine if it was a legit blue chip QB prospect.
Sanders and Ward are lottery tickets, probably a waste of time and $$$ but you hope you get lucky because you're desperate.
@countrydan85 all im saying is that the bengals at least had a skeleton b4 Burrow, the Texans struck gold hiring Demeco Ryans b4 Stroud and the Commanders flooded the roster with veterans b4 McDaniels. The giants are young with no leaders and barely any talent
Happy Holidays guys
alr see me sweating buckets for 3hrs week 18 when Philly tries to nate sudfeld us again
Let’s just hope the lions and Vikings lose 😂😂
Big day on Sunday! Regardless of what they decide to do with firings, 1st overall pick is something to be excited about. Merry Christmas guys!
Alex needs to make an appearance on Giants collective.
Daniel Jones contract wasn’t bad at the time, 2 years guaranteed after a solid season where we won a playoff game. They offered Saquon the same money in the 2023 offseason that the Beagles offered him this year. Danny Dimes crippled our season this year, he wasn’t the same off the ACL. Keep Daboll and Schoen for another 2 years at least with their QB. Schoen had a really good draft this year and he pulled off the Burns trade. Plus, their decision to let Saquon go opened up the ability to have a shot at the No. 1 pick plus a compensatory 3rd coming.
Bor nobody was even gonna give jones 20 mil a year
Scheon completely fucked up 2 drafts and had a c draft at best. He cannot draft.
@@markmatulic9905he didn’t draft well the previous 2 drafts but a C this year??? Absolutely not. Nabers is a stud, Nubin looks solid, Phillips is a stud, Tracy looks like a good RB, Theo Johnson looks promising
This is what I’ve been saying. 2 more years. You can’t keep changing every 2-3 years and expect success. They have to see it through including learning from their mistakes. 4th coach since Coughlin. C’mon, enough of this. I don’t want to keep starting over because there’s no patience. Get the QB. Keep improving the Oline. Fill some holes (next to Dex and at CB). Get healthy (anyone see the injury list??). Build depth.
They can do all of that this offseason between the draft and free agency.
DJ had the physical skills he just wasn’t decisive enough. No pocket awareness either. Ward appears to be the opposite. That alone could have accounted for at least 3 more wins first half of the year. Now there isn’t anything left to evaluate seriously.
@roshan2865 the correct pic should have been penix then take a receiver 2nd. Nubin is ok. Theo Johnson is a butter fingers boy idk what you see in him and Tracy is a fumbles machine. Mehhhhh. Plus his he fucked up the 5th and 7th pick he should be fired
Our team is a mockery of the league.
Yeah, those two rings against Brady and four overall make us a TOTAL mockery.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014That was 13 years ago; the Giants are the laughing stock of the league now.
The Giants haven’t been good since Tom Coughlin left
My dream scenario is we hire Will McClay & Ben Johnson. Draft Shedeur & bring Pat Shumur along with him as our new OC. The cherry on top would be Robert Saleh at DC.
I could get with that!!
Umm..Shurmur isn't coming back
Now that sounds like a plan
@@jcsmith2231 Why wouldn't he ? Gettleman is long gone & this would be his chance to get back in the league
None of those people are signing here, because they know they’ll have 2 years before the impatient owner jettisons them at the behest of the ASYLUM portion of the fanbase. You’ll get Dennis Hickey as your next GM. Next head coach will be a failed and unwanted retread looking for one last shot. Think Anthony Lynn, Arthur Smith, Doug Pederson, Brandon Staley, or Vance Joseph.
Daboll and Schoen lost the locker room. I think it's safe to say that. These players really are not trying like they were in the early games of the season. We need a new spark. New QB, GM and HC and they'll have a reason to be hopeful again
Hope you don’t expect anyone good to take the job. Hope you don’t expect Mara to hire from outside again.
Is Cam Ward good? Haven't watched college football
‘’A cycle of horrid…..a cycle of ass…..” Alex even you almost laughed at that….😂😂😂😂
I don't think you guys put enough of the blame on the owner of the team. One thing you mention that was the big difference between the commanders and the Giants is new ownership. New ownership came in for the commanders and cleaned house. Mara isn't built like that.
Best move we can do whoever gm is. Trade down get a haul build a team and grab cousins for a yr or two. Draft qb next yr. Next yrs qb class much much stronger
And how do they get that QB next year or in 2 years if they aren’t a top 5 pick? Falcons have a better roster and Cousins was still bad. The Giants roster is far worse
Schoen hasn't come close to building a team in 3 years. What makes you think that'll change in 2025.
@ I said whoever it will be.
Last year Qb was strong what’s the excuse for skipping out on that draft class?
Also I wonder if Arch manning was in this draft class would you still consider trading the #1 pick?
(Just asking for a couple of friends, we tryna see something real quick)
Im a Cam guy and a fire joe guy. Drafting is a talent and if you haven’t been able to draft wel in 3 years you sure as hell cant make me believe you will finally get it. You either have it or you dont joe drafts like shit bye bye
I'm not putting too much stock in his 2024 draft until we see what they do beyond their rookie years, so I don't like using that as an excuse to keep him. Name me his best picks of the 2022 and 2023 drafts
How are we still asking if this team is losing on purpose? YES! Yes they are losing on purpose! You’re refusing to accept what’s right in front of your face
They thought the rebuild would take twelve seconds.😂
I don’t think I am refusing to see what is right in front of my eyes. I think what is in front of my eyes is the worst team in football and this is what that looks like. That is a lot worse.
Speaking of the O line as you do your draft review check out these O lineman.
WVU LT Wyatt Milum he will probably be gone but he is good plays both LT and RT and he is from my alma mater so I had to mention him.
2 mid-round O lineman that can fix the depth of the O line immedatley in my opinion are:
North Dakota State University LT Gray Zabel plays both LT & RT willing to learn C and is technically sound.
Cincinati Bearcats RG Luke Kandra an Elite pass protector in 2022 and Elite run blocker in 2023 according to PFF and can play all three interior O line spots
Adding Zabel and Kandra would add depth at all 5 spots on the line. Zabel would be a day one swing tackle while Kandra could provide a back up C as well as could compete to be the starting RT
I saw a mock draft that had us taking that WVU tackle in Round 2. I definitely want another interior DL to pair with Dex. Idk what options there would be in FA or the draft
No one can complain about Nabors performance in keep a straight face.... But Giants should have dumped GM an Coach end of 2023 and let the new GM/HC pick their QB in an awesome QB draft and give them a 3 year leash to show solid improvement. This draft is just not the QB draft of last year... its not. I would have been happy with the top 4 QBs taken last year and yes I would have taken one over Nabors.... but this year? I just don't see it. I think the Giants will be the Giants of recent years and keep the coach the GM draft a QB and ruin his career in the process and then finally fire coach and gm at end of 2025. Let's hope the QB draft is solid then too.
2023?! You really thought this rebuild would take six seconds. That’s YOUR problem.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 Ummm... seems like the Giants have been rebuilding since Eli retired.
Don't give me that garbage.
@@jdjordan4425 Reese refused to rebuild and Gettleman changed his mind and tried to win now. Don’t give me THAT garbage.
@@jdjordan4425 Fire an HC and GM after winning a playoff game and after their second year here. Don’t give me THAT garbage. Put the crack pipe down and go to a clinic.
@@baxatakbaxatak2014 Ok... using your logic are the Giants progressing or regressing?
GM and HC lost me when they decided to pay Jones like he was Mahomes and let players walk like Barkley.
They are a joke and will completely ruin any rookie QB unfortunate enough to be drafted by them.
Also... why havent they been looking for quality QBs late in the draft, even after paying Jones 10 times what he is worth?
LET TF GO
Sometimes the problem with us is we try too hard Daniel jones reach, evan Neal reach, we need to pick the guy that’s THE GUY already not a project
SANDERS 🔥🔥perfect timing
Who are the quality general manager candidates?
The boys😎😎
These few fans that keep saying “trade down and build the team” I wonder if they would be saying that same thing if Arch manning was coming out the draft this year? 🤔
Of course not.
I dont know what the deal is with these Arch Manning posts. Has he even thrown a ball in college yet?
If you don't think they are trying to tank, you're not paying attention. Did you think they were gonna take out an ad in the New York Times to tell you.
if you think they're actually trying to lose i have a bridge to sell you
I think you guys should stop talking about firing the GM and the head coach unless you are putting names to your desire. We need an actual name of a GM and the head coach who are available. Not just saying oh yeah they should get a new GM because that helps nothing. Names. That’s your job as Giants content creators. Give us names. Or stop talking about it.
@@JohnPArgueta John Dorsey, Ray Farmer, Mike Borgonzi
They got nothing. They’re irrational and just want blood. They think this would be a PRIME opening. Here’s the bleak truth-fire them, and watch nobody good want to interview here. Watch Mara be too traumatized to attempt another outside hire. Get ready for Dennis Hickey or Kevin Abrams as your GM, and a list of failed retreads to get their second or third chance at HC.
It’s not up to me to come up with names. It’s up to Mara and Tisch and their consulting company. I will say that there are 32 asst. GMs, OCs and DCs in the league. Not to mention guys who have been around before and might deserve a second chance. It’s not like Schoen and Daboll are the only guys out there.
@@JohnFerraro-l9b is this your channel? I’m talking to the guys who run this channel.
On that note though…why are we giving guys we don’t know 2nd chances but not the guys here?
Complaining just to complain does nothing but I understand because they need views.
@@JohnFerraro-l9b “guys who have been around before and might deserve a second chance”. Oh goody! Failed retreads! Dennis Hickey as GM! Mike Zimmer or Frank Reich as HC!
I hate how Alex acts like Shedeur can’t be as good of a star as Ward in the NFL lol they are closer in talent than he makes it seem check the stats you’ll see otherwise they are both really good
Ill take either over what we've had the last 6 years
I don’t watch college football so I’m at a disadvantage, but I have read in quite a few places that neither would have made the top three last year.
Here is thing if you bring in new people they will take another 2 years. At least this regime know they on the clock. If I were the media I would focus on what they need improve on
So, to be clear, do you think Schoen and Daboll should be fired?
Lol
Merry Christmas fellas! (and fam)
The draft class from 2022 draft class is on Gettleman and not Schoen. Gettleman was still in the building the scouts were Gettleman's and the draft board was Gettleman's. So that class although Schoen made the picks it was Gettleman's class.
Promote Brown and let him hire his coach and draft QB.
Naaa. Promote Brown, keep Daboll & Bowen. Give them 1 year to improve or fire both their @$$e$.
@@TrollKing2781Bowen sucks!!!
He’s not staying here just to be scapegoated in two years and have fans like you demand his firing this time next year. He’s packing his bags. Dennis Hickey will be promoted to GM. Book it.
Cam Ward all the way!! I don't see anyone else in this class close to Ward pocket presence accuracy can go through his progressions quickly!
Reasons I disagree with firing Schoen and Daboll.
1) Schoen has been forced to use the draft to fill holes.
Schoen has done a decent job with trades and free agency
Mara I think pushed to resgn Jones after 2022 because Schoen was going to let Jones go which is why he didn't pick up the 5th year option
Schoen has made a huge improvement to the O line which is better than it was for more than a decade. I know it lacks depth but it's still improved.
2) As for Daboll let's start with the fact that the team although 2 - 13 right now with a good kicker not missing time the team is at least 5 - 10 and possibly 7 - 8. With a decent QB they may even be sitting at 9 wins right now.
Daboll has coached his ass off getting the most out of Jones adjusting plays calls and doing things to assist bad QBs be competitive. DeVitto won 3 games last year Taylor Won 2 games last year. Lock had them in position to win in Dallas this year and Tim Boyle almost beat the Saints. Daboll has gotten a ton out of terrible QBs give him a talented QB and those games they almost won become Ws
Problem I have w ur assessment. Schoen has forced himself to draft replacements for holes. Ex 1) We didn’t need to draft Tyler Nubin had we signed McKinney. Also, had we signed Julian Love at the affordable deal he got, we could’ve had him and a later draft pick (for safety) instead of Nubin. Ex 2: Schoen keeps drafting Oline and missing, so we have to allocate funds to FA olineman. Ex 3: he’s drafted two 2nd day Tight Ends and practically three if u consider the 3rd traded for Waller. Ex 4: he let go Tyrod and filled the qb room w Drew Lock and DeVito 💀. This dude is an awful gm
What do you think it would realistically cost another team to make the Giants think about trading out of the #1 spot?
We at least get 3 top tier players in the draft being so high. First 3-4 rounds are crucial and we get the first pick of each😢
Great episode guys I like Cam better too but I think the giants Love Shedur I hope we fire Shane and Daboll
I'm still upset that I'm the only one upset about not starting bellinger at the beginning of the season.. didn't you see that catch on 3rd down vs the falcons? That's all he's done ever and you start a rookie over him? That rookie dropped alot of conversions at the beginning of the season.
Yes, the 100th LIKE,
WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1
What day does the NFL draft start
Playing Indy this week. Expect them to win and screw up the #1 draft pick.
In my opinion, the New York Giants regime purposely tanked especially after they decided to bench Daniel Jones. Mara, Schoen & Daboll are all in this so they can draft a top QB.
Dak, Jordan love and Brock Purdy were low draft picks that worked bc the coaching staff was consistent and they were developed properly; something I have zero faith this current coaching staff can do. They all have to go now to allow a new coaching staff to grow and build with the QB. It’s a tried and true method as both of you have said. At the very least Daboll, Kafka and Bowen need to leave along with Dabolls assistants. I’d like Schoen gone too but all signs point to him staying.
Those teams have rosters with plenty of talent. This team doesn't.
Exactly. There are no teams with bad rosters and good qbs tht are in the playoffs. BUILD THE ROSTER. Don't destroy another qb plssss
@@TrollKing2781 The roster becomes good with proper development. The problem is, we can't actually properly evaluate most of Schoen's picks bc the coaching is so bad we don't know if it was the coaching or lack of talented picks. Experts everywhere praised the picks of KT and Evan Neal at 5 and 7. Most saw them as can't miss. Mel Kiper literally had evan neal as the 5th best player in the draft and KT was 7th best player in the draft. Todd McShay had KT as the 6th best player in the draft and Evan Neal as the 4th best player in the draft early on. Now one is irrelevant and the other is a solid piece but nothing special. You tell me if that falls on lack of development or bad picks? You can't bc we can't evaluate them properly until there is a better coaching staff (if they aren't completely ruined already).
Love was 1st round (26).
@azikkii And this is my point. Everyone is screaming for a new qb wen truthfully tht was nvr the actual product. Jones was a product of failed COACHING. I been saying this. Do Not draft another qb until we have competent coaching and play calling in the building. Saying all tht I would like to keep daboll at least so he can grow as well I think he can still be a good coach. But the scouts, the position coaches rn are bottom of the barrel. Except Carmine. Draft more positions of need and continue to get talent in the building. And hope for the best
Look Josh Allen has made Dabol look good I See that now
Josh Allen made both Daboll and Schoen look good.
If you don't have your franchise QB its best to lose, if you're the Panthers, Jacksonville or any team that believes they have their guy at QB then you should try and win every game to increase moral/culture.
Having said that these QBs this year are not like last year. I would take every QB from last yr before any QB this year including JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix who i believe both would go 1st overall this year
But you still have to yo take your shot with either Shedeur or Cam because without a QB you're just existing in the NFL.
Thanks guys!
I agree both Joe and Brian need to go. They have destroyed this franchise with bad decisions.
Who’s taking the job? Don’t expect anyone good to want to come here, knowing Mara would listen to the insane and irrational section of the fanbase.
I want to see Daboll and Schone fired but this team isn’t bad because of the roster. It’s the horrible coaching and the DJ signing. This roster is far better than the 2022 roster. We just don’t have someone competent enough to run it
My feeling is this: If you’re gonna be a loser…..be the best loser you can possibly be. Now get that number one overall draft pick.
Exactly. This is the rebuild/tank everyone asked for, but of course no one can handle it😂
If I'm Joe Shcoen. I'm taking Sanders with the 1st. Milroe with the 2nd. Best available player 3-7. Sign Higgins. Sign a Guard. Go get Chevarious Ward!!! Whatever it takes.
Another glaring argument against keeping schoen, he had the opportunity to get Russell Wilson, and instead of paying Russ 2 million and giving him a potential starting opportunity they chose to overpay drew lock!
idk man i just don’t really know it’s the play to just keep firing coaches & gms after 1-2 bad seasons, seems like just the same old thing at the moment just recycling coaches & firing them after 1-2 years. really think we just give them both an opportunity to choose their qb & then properly evaluate them
Look at joes drafts they all have sucked
Didn’t Gettleman inherit a better cap situation than Schoen??
Number 1 pick 🤞 we be smart with it!
@AlexWilson mark my words either they move back slightly or they are taking Travis Hunter. The following year they draft Manning
Hey Fireside & G-Fam, how about B2 (Brandon Brown) as our new GM & then picks Deion (Sanders) as his new HC?…Obvs, he’ll pick his boy Shedeur to be his/our QB….While Deion’s at it, might as well snag his own OC/QB Coach & our past HC in Pat Shurmur as Shedeur’s & NYG’s OC/QB Coach? Yes, IK…It’s the things that make you go hmmm?🤔
But, what y’all think? Just my 0.02 cents.
John Mara should sell the team
They told me bussdown my AP
Cam ward is the guy
Tommy Devito is the guy !!! Ask the fan base
The Giants have the # 1 pick However if there is a team that can fuck this up it's the Giants
I'm sorry Alex but I have to disagree with something you said. "Someone has to pay for letting 2 of your best players leave". I know that's a reference to Barkley and McKinney. The giants have so many holes, we can't pay top of the market for a safety and a RB now. You can spend money on those positions as cherry on top type of acquisitions. Look who signed those players teams that have tons of talent and those guys put them over the top. We need to build out our lines. Build inside out. We are so far away from adding players like that to big contracts!
Right but they should have been traded
Alex you don’t know football Shurder Sanders is a superstar now. He’s a Joe Borrower and Tom Brady type player. Sanders going to blaze the league up just watch
I agree width the dart qb draft idea. Shoulda drafted Malik Willis and Levi etc
Willis and Levis are busts.
Clean house again. Bring in a proven experienced GM and a disciplined hard nosed head coach. This team needs leaders and fighters. Right now we are a soft team.
easy to see the problem in picking qb with #1- pick ,look at last year with stroud and young ,
young goes first to carolina who did not have the coaching or roster for him to be successful ,texans take stroud who had the coaching and players for him to succeed. giants may want to trade pick to #3 or# 4 team, then pick travis hunter + more picks & take qb later or F.A. signing
Ok ok You NEED A GOOD COACHING STAFF We don’t have it
Schoen and Daboll have been here 3 years. The roster and results have gotten worse over that period of time. There are 31 other teams in the NFL that have staffs to look at to help improve this team. I would love it if the team chooses Vrabel for head coach. Anyone with talent was sent packing by Schoen and Josh Allen isn’t here for Daboll to lean on. Mr. Mara…please clean house and hire someone from a winning franchise.
Thanks guys for keeping content going in a putrid season.
Daboll has been a dead man walking since day 1. Dead man waking.
I don't know what his process is they are so married to but it sucks.
Of course...who will we get and who wants to come here?
This is the least excited about an upcoming draft as I’ve ever been. Sure, glad we will almost certainly have our pick of QB but do any of you see us winning 7 games next year with Ward or Sanders?
I saw DJ throw passes that were under / over thrown, behind or ahead to open receivers all year long. Coach did I horrible job of not addressing it sooner . I do expect a lot better next year.
Agreed.
Leave to the Giants to not screw their draft position in a shit QB draft.
Instead of signing a bridge QB, they're going to draft one 1st overall 😆
The giants probably will be shit next season but its not about just next season, you draft a QB in the first round to ideally develop and evaluate over at least the next 5 years. Theres a reason why rookie contracts are 4-5 seasons and not just 1
@@FirePlace well, whoever drafts them should only get a max of 2 years to make them look like a starting QB.
@@FirePlace Been there, done that.
Anthony…how you gonna bash the organization for valuing Lock, when just a few weeks ago you were talking like he could come in after they benched DJ and win games
It’s scalding, or smoldering. Not scoldering.
I disagree with the assessment of the game lastnight Penix had 0 to do with the Giants losing that game. For as lopsided as the score was. About midway through the second quarter the Giants were on the verge of gong up double digits. Then Lock threw a pick 6 that changed the momentum of the game. All together Lock gave Atlanta 21 of their 34 points. 2 pick 6s and a fumble that setup a TD run. Really it could have and should have been 13 - 7. With a decnt QB the Giants probably win that game by double digits with no other changed to the roster.
They are going to have to vastly overpay for free agents. Alex is correct.
It is what it is.
ok but have you considered that we should completely ignore all of the bad draft misses, terrible qb contracts and lack of development, worst roster in the league, historically bad season in the 3rd year of the regime and instead let schoen and daboll draft their own qb because they've only had 3 years to try to ruin this franchise and they should have another 1-2 years to finish the job? We still have 2 wins this season, we shouldn't let them go until 0-17!
this is what every argument for keeping these two clowns sounds like.
Can you imagine how we would have ruined Jayden Daniels
Draft picks are too valuable. So you're willing to give up Tracey for a shot at rattler? Maybe, but that's a luxury pick. When the cowgirls took Prescott and the 49ers took Purdy they didn't have a lot of holes those years. You only have 7 rounds these days. The draft used to be 20+ rounds, then 16, then 12.... Back when it was 12 or 14 Washington, under Gibbs, had the strategy of drafting a QB every year, just to see what they could get. They won three SBs with 3 different QBs. It was a different time.
The Giants should trade down and pick Travis Hunter. Add a top OL and another top wide receiver with the extra draft capital.
Dillion Gabriel is the best QB in the coming draft. Forget about Sanders or Ward.
You think they should call nick Saban?
Great show and great points! GM & Coach must go and right now! They can’t be part of the 2025 draft! 🇨🇦👍🍻🤞🤠🕺🙋♂️
do not trade down !
24:16 that rattler take aged terribly getting shut out
Giants can get K1 from the Cardinals. Best move for the Giants.
How can you say Cam has higher celing to be star but not shedeur? If you saying shedeur better now who is say she shedeur wont be that star
Cam Ward All day
I Agree Jones was Bad but not that bad they Didn’t Help Him at Any Point