In reference to the two from Generation Kill/One Bullet Away, I suspect that the show took some serious liberties portraying them as so inept. I’ve never met either much less fought with them, but I do know the USMC Infantry Officers’ Course is widely regarded as one of if not the most difficult non-special forces schools in the US military. Additionally, they would also have to be graduates of the Basic Reconnaissance Course and follow on force recon training. So I have doubts about their being as incapable as they were made to look in the show. It’s been a while since I’ve read either book so I can’t remember how they’re portrayed in print. (Reddit: @oga_ogbeni) FYI: The United States Marine Corps (USMC) Infantry Officers' Course (IOC) is extremely challenging. It requires high levels of physical fitness, mental toughness, and leadership ability. Candidates undergo rigorous physical training, master complex infantry tactics, and face high-stress situations to test their resilience and decision-making. The course also includes demanding academic components and maintains very high standards, leading to a high attrition rate. Graduates of the IOC are exceptionally well-prepared to lead Marine infantry units in combat. YOU CAN WATCH THIS TV MINI SERIES "GENERATION KILL" (2008), THROUGH OUR WEBSITE IN OUR BIO
IRL he was not an infantry officer he was an intelligence officer put in command right before the push they were extremely short handed. This doesn’t happen anymore because of too many situations like this back in the initial push.
Fick, Colbert, Poke, Ray, and Rudy have all made public comments about how the officer bashing in the show was unwarranted, and while there were some rough patches that it was no where near as bad as the show depicted. Now whether you want to believe it was them covering the Marines is your choice, but they have gone on record defending the CO’s at the time.
@@CJenkerson Intel officers in the Marine Corps go to the Infantry Officers Course, Sniper Leader's Course, and then their Intel schooling before SERE and all that other nonsense. Intel officers are solidly trained
@@anthonywhite5565 not all Intel Officers are required to do so. Your ground intelligence officers do go to IOC, Sniper Leader’s Course, and the Ground Intel Officer School but they are not required to do SERE. And they go to Tactical Intelligence Officer Course, Marine Corps Intelligence Schools, at Dam Neck, VA before they do anything, not after. Either way, there is a large gap between being an Intel Officer and an Infantry Officer. This is coming from a retired Intel Marine. I’m not bashing our officers, just saying I would rather follow an Infantry Officer into combat over an Intel Officer.
I never met a Marine Corps officer that was completely incompetent. Maybe an arrogant ass, but not incompetent. We had a saying, "What is the difference between God and a Marine officer? God doesn't think he's a Marine officer." 😆
@@Shearn31787no but an officer that says “forget my rank and speak to me like a normal guy” shows that he hides behind his rank too often than to rather listen to his troops and see where they’re coming from. Had this from a WO when he asked me if he was a good OIC and I asked him if he wanted the truth. Turns out it wasn’t the truth he wanted and then proceeded to yell at me for 5 mins in his office about why I’m a bad NCO
At least he took the criticism seriously, most “leadership” would effectively tell you to get fucked and probably try to art 15 or njp any way they can.
That was respectful. He asked for frank talk and he got it. It's best for that kind of stuff to be done one on one for this very reason. The other marines that look up to doc will now lose even more respect for the CO bug even the shit headed brown noser staff Sergeant didn't say anything not cause he agreed but he knew he couldnt fire back at that. Doc was given a free hand and he used it to call out his leader in a respectful and calm way.
It wasn’t disrespectful though, it was definitely harsh but it was still an objective assessment of his results so far, though I doubt someone would take such criticism kindly specially in the military
Yeahhhh Medics don't give two shits about your feelings ESPECIALLY if your an officer. And sense I can assume this guy is a Navy Corpman attached to these Marines, he's DEFINITELY gonna tell you how it is and not sugar coat it. Honestly surprised they didn't complain enough to Higher ups till this point about how this CO is getting his men killed or at least not fit for combat decisions.
If this is a recon unit, then he’s probably what would be considered a SARC these days. A Special Amphibious Raid Corpsman. Along with Air Force PJ’s they are the baddest dudes in the military.
I have had to stop a CO from doing training once, it was 110 degrees in 29 palms. Was running out of IVs as we had been training for 2 weeks straight I had already asked for medical resupply and what I needed from the guys who went to go get food. This was pushing into the third week, and I had one iv left and 5 guys with heat rashes form. I straight up walked to our CO and said we have got to stop I cannot treat any more of your marines if another goes down. I am asking for 4 hours of stop training until the sun starts to set. He looked at me and said we deploy to Afghanistan in 4 months they have to be ready. I said they won't make it 4 month if you keep pushing now. So I went to the battalion CO and told him the exact same. He gave us till sundown to drop flak and Kevlar, set up camo netting. We would resume training one hour after sunset. I bought our guys 5 hours.
Knew a guy who punched out an officer after knowingly leading men into an ambush that got several killed. Officer got shot back down to recruit and the guy got honorably discharged only because every command knew how shit the situation was and how right he was to retaliate against that officer once the reports from the survivors rose through the desks. Still, men lost their lives because of a terrible officer that had been complained about for months and showed absolutely no ability to handle a leadership role. Complaining too often falls on deaf ears
That one time, my 10 year BM3 , told our 1st LT when he asked him to speak frankly. "Sir , I'd trust a fresh boot with my safety more than I'd trust you." Never seen a man eyes well up so fast.
@@nicholasmuro1742coulda been a bm on patrol boats maybe. Or if it was long enough ago a bm3 who was a seal or swcc/sbu before they had their own rate like they do now
This "leader" is more of a danger to these guys then the enemy is. Like napoleon said what one should fear is not a competent enemy but an incompetent ally.
Idk what happens after this clip, but the fact that he doesn't react in an extreme, just that it hurts him is a sign that this guy COULD be a good leader, and the fact that he wants to listen to those around him will improve him, do long as he listens to those who tell him where he's incompetent, and if he tried to improve he will
In that moment where he was allowed to speak frankly he should have followed up the observation with advice. "Sir, you're surrounded by talented, experienced field NCOs, you should feel free to lean on them".
@@mikehateberg9533 And don't forget who's 3rd Platoon's CO... seeing Fick, Colbert and the entirety of 2nd Platoon would lead you to believe everyone in B other than command is competent, but that's really not the case. The competent parts of the Battalion (at least that we see) are Alpha's command staff and Bravo's 2nd Platoon. Basically everyone else is either meh or straight up incompetent. Again, based on the show
That would be about the stupidest possible thing to do. I dont care how incompetent an LT is, or how butthurt they are for getting called out on it, they simply wouldnt do it. And even if there were some kind of strange reality where the LT did try to do that, it wouldnt happen. The senior NCO leadership simply would not let it happen. There does come a point when your rank doesnt mean shit. If you start making calls out that purposely endanger your men, and its blatantly obvious that you are doing out of spite, and as a way to punish your subordinates for something, the men under you can depose you and take control of the unit from you. And you are going to have an awful lot to answer for from the big brass. Your military career as an officer is basically going to be over.
Well obviously it's more complex than that, it's the severity of the opinion that can shock someone not the opinion itself. He might've expected some of his troops to have negative feedback but was surprised that one was so blunt and short.
IMO Doc should've aimed that more at the SM. If he wasn't so busy gargling Encino's nuts all the time, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. When we say the command team is supposed to back each other up, what we mean is they're supposed to keep eachother on a leash and provide alternative COAs, having a second set of eyes on a situation, not be a hype man.
There are warriors who just wanna be there 2 do the deed. Then theres men who are there just 2 climb the bureaucratic hierarchy so they can enrich themselves as much as possible. These 2 types of men are completely incompatible
Eh, there’s a scene where you see Sixta is intentionally riling the men up with the grooming standard so they’d have a common grievance to unite them, he was an asshole but at least he was an asshole with intention. Encino man was just fucking useless. But then again Sixta is a diaper sniper so
@asiburger It's a bit more complicated than that. Yes, the colors are LITERALLY just a flag and some streamers but they represent the units history written in blood and carried into battle by every marine before them. Banners and Colors have been historically targeted for theft/destruction with the specific intent of crushing moral in enemy forces. Not saying you should make a man kill himself for losing them but they are seriously important to Units.
And the officer bragging to his senior! Think he didn’t know the full story! ‘Of course I immediately engaged sir… as is my style!’ 😂 And he was totally gutless, great show 🫡
For those not in the military, your units colors (the flag) is a symbol of morale and history. These flags and streamers have been around for years. You don’t want to be the unit that loses it.
He thought that the airstrike incident would blow over, but now he sees it truly did damage his relationship with his men. No amount of hardassing is gonna fix it.
Not military, but I was in law enforcement. I was doc in my 7 years. It took my last 3 is when i started saying shit like that. Unfortunate for me, cause it put a target on my back for my personnel file. But, definitely earned the respect of all my beat partners and had some impact for shift changing. We all need someone like doc. Some people in leadership need to hear it
Corpsmen in the Marine Corps are uniquely equipped for this sort of exchange. First, most of them are beloved and respected in ways that officers have a hard time matching. Second, they aren't Marines. They are Navy,.
There is a high performance vs high trust issue raised in Navy Seal team 6. They prefer high trust vs high performance. This scene depicts that lack of trust. It doesn't matter how competent; that's a symptom.What's needed is less speeches and more action.
Idk, but I can speculate. I think he means to say, in this scene the men don't trust their the captain, as he has proven himself to be completely incompetent and shirts responsibility onto others. That is to say, his men don't trust him. The high trust vs high performance idea is a matter performance. To put it in a more understandable scenario, think about a lawn care company; you have your employees who show up, do the gardening in 1/2 an hour, the lawn is clean, cut, but it doesn't look overly special to anyone else's lawn in the neighborhood. They do 16 houses a day the same way. They make $800/day. But every couple of years they no longer have the same customers. Then you have the company who does 4 houses a day, spending 2 hours at each, not only do they mow the grass, they treat it for harmful weeds and bugs, it grows in thicker, more luscious, and they take care of the flower garden too. Their four customers have been using this service for a minimum of 10 years each, bringing in $800/ day. While both businesses bring in the same money, one is more reliable, and brings forth better service, and is trusted by their customers; while the other business gets a lot of customers haphazardly taken care of, and loses them every so often. Does that make any sense? Also think about getting a car serviced, take it to a speedy lube, or dealership, where they want as many cars in the gate as they can, or take it to the local town mechanic, who maybe a little slower, but doesnt over charge, and everyone trusts. The same goes in the military/ spec ops. While the military isn't a business, it is run like one. The seals prefer to have high profile missions, where failure is not an option but, with guys they trust, and a command who trusts them to do the job, without questioning their methods, but it is a slow methodical mission, than guys who take on a lot of smaller missions at a rapid pace. The guys who go on a lot, quickly, are the guys who go in guns blazing, for metals, and get their compatriots killed. The seals plan every move, and capture or eliminate a target without any one knowing they were there. At least that's the theory. As he said less speeches more action, this particular captain in GK is incompetent, his actions have shown that, he repeatedly put his men in harms way, let his NCOs either get in the way of the right action, or not let his NCOs do that action. But he talks a big game, as far as his men go, he wants to be a good leader, he wants his men to succeed, he probably wants his men to be victorious and remembered for something. He truely care for his men, but when he is under pressure, he cant make the right decisions. Like the saying goes, 'the beatings will continue until morale improves.' He is bringing morale down, because of his incompetence, and thinks being open and honest with his men will help improve that, when in reality, he needs to step aside and realize he isnt able to lead the men the way it should be done, and he isn't realizing the potential his men have, and that the are a well oiled machine that can run without him. I hope that all makes sense.
@@Thevoiceofsomething ah I see, thanks for explaining that mate. I wasn’t sure what OP was getting at but if this was it, it sure cleared it up, appreciate you takin the time 🤙🏼
Thanks for your service. I never suffered PTSD myself from my time in, but I have seen it up close and personal in friends. I wouldn’t let my kids join.
Would the commander have been wiser to have never asked? At least he knows the reality of his situation now, and can work to solve it. The truth is vital.
I have not seen the show, but all Marine Infantry Officers pass the IOC. It is rigorous, they are the best. That being said, it is relative to call him incompetent. Doc is the real one. Always has, always will. If he says the officer is incompetent, then he may be the least competent Doc knows. The worst of the best. A new leader is worse than an experienced one. An experienced one promotes out of that position.
I was a Special Forces officer in A/1/5 and we worked with both Fleet Marine Force Recon and then Marine Raiders after they stood up,and I always saw that their officers and enlisted men were squared away and not by any means incompetent.None of them.They were good people and they were not only tough,well trained,but also smart.
Anyone who was in the military, regardless of branch 100% understands how accurate this is and goddam does it infuriate me that people like this absolutely have gotten good men and women killed.
Never ask docs opinion unless you’re ready to get your feelings hurt, cuz don’t care about your feelings, he cares about your life, and if your stupidity is putting you or others in jeopardy, he’s gonna make sure you know what’s up
Batista was asked the same question earlier, he skillfully used his lacking english to give encino man a good non-answer. I use the same tactic every once in a while and it still works just fine.
I’m not a Marine so I never knew about this tradition. Losing the eagle standard in Rome was like losing your division’s soul to the enemy. Going to have to watch this show.
Remember HM2 Bryan is an recon corpsman, ATL and Afghanistan veteran. He's recon through and through, and he gives zero fucks, especially when dealing with incompetence.
Always count on Doc to say it like it is, reminds me of our Doc HM1 Mulligan, tuff little red haired Irishman with a thick mustache sometimes a beard, lol. He knew his stuff, demanded all of us know first responders aid, taught all of us officers included, remarkable man. To bad today’s Corps will never experience the camaraderie that once was.
As a prior enlisted Marine grunt and graduate of the Infantry Officers Course and several other rigorous military schools I can tell you that IOC is an extremely mentally and physically challenging course meant to weed out those not capable of leading their Marines in harms way. I suspect that all the Recon Officers during the OIF-1 timeframe all had a successful tour with a infantry battalion before going through a rigorous indoc and interviews before being given the opportunity to even attend BRC (let alone graduate a course with with well over 50% attrition). I for one have worked with Steve Fernando and have working alongside these fine warriors in Iraq and AFG and have nothing but respect for him and all the Marines and sailors of 1st Recon Bn.
I always hated how you gotta talk to COs like damn I aint talking to a lord as a measly peasant mf not only younger than me but he a Lt just cause his ass could afford college
Any NCO hates it when an officer says "Speak freely. Tell me the truth, man to man." The problem is that there are always some officers who will not take criticism from an underling, especially one who he thinks is personally loyal. The captain in the short at least does not repond by ordering them all to attention and dressing them down for disrepect. He actually respects his promise, and that is not guaranteed.
I wonder if the guy this character was based on was embarrassed when the show came out. In every episode, watching this dude try to think thru the simplest of situations is like watching a toddler try to defuse a bomb
Evan Wright's NCO perspective is miles away from the middle management PowerPoints on the course at Camp Pendleton usually reserved for short leash embedded reporters
I have a similar system in my game to let players call in airstrikes. These systems are cool and fun! 😎 Something I've done in my game (which you can borrow if you'd like): instead of the enemy team randomly calling in strikes, there's a physical enemy unit on the field that's doing it, and in a limited radius around that unit. This gives the player more counterplay options: prioritize taking out that enemy to eliminate the risk of strikes. Avoid proximity to that enemy when possible, etc. You could style this enemy as a radio operator, and give him an obvious antenna backpack and sfx/vfx to help the player identify the threat. 😃
For those who dont know the qctor playing the medic is an actual prior srlervice member, much like the actor who played fruity rudy... although that one is more hilarious since rudy is literally playing himself from when he was in the first marines on this very same campaign.
Every time I saw an officer say to speak frankly, he still only wanted to hear compliments. If you spoke poorly of him, he wouldn’t do anything right then, but you would catch hell later.
when I was over there, we had a company commander that was told by the brigade commander to not bother to reenlist because he will never make it past capt.
If you're a military officer you asked some of your man to be blunt and honest as possible. You should be prepared for the answer. Sometimes don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answers
He messed up letting that go. He should have said, “f@ck you, Doc!!! You don’t open your effin mouth to me like that again, or we will really forget about these bars over behind the berm!!!”
In reference to the two from Generation Kill/One Bullet Away, I suspect that the show took some serious liberties portraying them as so inept. I’ve never met either much less fought with them, but I do know the USMC Infantry Officers’ Course is widely regarded as one of if not the most difficult non-special forces schools in the US military. Additionally, they would also have to be graduates of the Basic Reconnaissance Course and follow on force recon training.
So I have doubts about their being as incapable as they were made to look in the show. It’s been a while since I’ve read either book so I can’t remember how they’re portrayed in print. (Reddit: @oga_ogbeni)
FYI: The United States Marine Corps (USMC) Infantry Officers' Course (IOC) is extremely challenging. It requires high levels of physical fitness, mental toughness, and leadership ability. Candidates undergo rigorous physical training, master complex infantry tactics, and face high-stress situations to test their resilience and decision-making.
The course also includes demanding academic components and maintains very high standards, leading to a high attrition rate. Graduates of the IOC are exceptionally well-prepared to lead Marine infantry units in combat.
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IRL he was not an infantry officer he was an intelligence officer put in command right before the push they were extremely short handed. This doesn’t happen anymore because of too many situations like this back in the initial push.
Fick, Colbert, Poke, Ray, and Rudy have all made public comments about how the officer bashing in the show was unwarranted, and while there were some rough patches that it was no where near as bad as the show depicted. Now whether you want to believe it was them covering the Marines is your choice, but they have gone on record defending the CO’s at the time.
These guys were Battalion Recon not Force Recon.
@@CJenkerson Intel officers in the Marine Corps go to the Infantry Officers Course, Sniper Leader's Course, and then their Intel schooling before SERE and all that other nonsense. Intel officers are solidly trained
@@anthonywhite5565 not all Intel Officers are required to do so. Your ground intelligence officers do go to IOC, Sniper Leader’s Course, and the Ground Intel Officer School but they are not required to do SERE. And they go to Tactical Intelligence Officer Course, Marine Corps Intelligence Schools, at Dam Neck, VA before they do anything, not after. Either way, there is a large gap between being an Intel Officer and an Infantry Officer. This is coming from a retired Intel Marine. I’m not bashing our officers, just saying I would rather follow an Infantry Officer into combat over an Intel Officer.
"I'm doing the best I can"
"I believe you. That's why I am convinced things will not improve"
Holy cow bro he didn't ask to be crucified either
@@grimskid I forgot where I first heard this line, but damn it's so raw
PPPPFFFFFFFFFF 😂
@@grimskiddid u watch the show?he is a goof who is dangerous to his own people. He sucks
@@Darthdoodoo yes I've seen the show, I'm just saying that reply is brutal
A good leader doesn’t have to tell people he’s a good leader
I never met a Marine Corps officer that was completely incompetent. Maybe an arrogant ass, but not incompetent. We had a saying, "What is the difference between God and a Marine officer? God doesn't think he's a Marine officer." 😆
He didn’t say he was
@@Shearn31787no but an officer that says “forget my rank and speak to me like a normal guy” shows that he hides behind his rank too often than to rather listen to his troops and see where they’re coming from. Had this from a WO when he asked me if he was a good OIC and I asked him if he wanted the truth. Turns out it wasn’t the truth he wanted and then proceeded to yell at me for 5 mins in his office about why I’m a bad NCO
He literally never said those words.
At least he took the criticism seriously, most “leadership” would effectively tell you to get fucked and probably try to art 15 or njp any way they can.
I loved how he still called him sir after he called him out. Disrespectfully respectful.
"We salute the rank, not the man."
That was respectful. He asked for frank talk and he got it. It's best for that kind of stuff to be done one on one for this very reason. The other marines that look up to doc will now lose even more respect for the CO bug even the shit headed brown noser staff Sergeant didn't say anything not cause he agreed but he knew he couldnt fire back at that. Doc was given a free hand and he used it to call out his leader in a respectful and calm way.
It wasn’t disrespectful though, it was definitely harsh but it was still an objective assessment of his results so far, though I doubt someone would take such criticism kindly specially in the military
Respectfully disrespectful*
The advantages of being a Navy man instead of a Marine....
Yeahhhh Medics don't give two shits about your feelings ESPECIALLY if your an officer. And sense I can assume this guy is a Navy Corpman attached to these Marines, he's DEFINITELY gonna tell you how it is and not sugar coat it. Honestly surprised they didn't complain enough to Higher ups till this point about how this CO is getting his men killed or at least not fit for combat decisions.
If this is a recon unit, then he’s probably what would be considered a SARC these days. A Special Amphibious Raid Corpsman. Along with Air Force PJ’s they are the baddest dudes in the military.
@@4002372 yeah the corpsman is a SARC, it’s implied in the book he becomes a SEAL
I have had to stop a CO from doing training once, it was 110 degrees in 29 palms. Was running out of IVs as we had been training for 2 weeks straight I had already asked for medical resupply and what I needed from the guys who went to go get food. This was pushing into the third week, and I had one iv left and 5 guys with heat rashes form. I straight up walked to our CO and said we have got to stop I cannot treat any more of your marines if another goes down. I am asking for 4 hours of stop training until the sun starts to set.
He looked at me and said we deploy to Afghanistan in 4 months they have to be ready. I said they won't make it 4 month if you keep pushing now. So I went to the battalion CO and told him the exact same. He gave us till sundown to drop flak and Kevlar, set up camo netting. We would resume training one hour after sunset. I bought our guys 5 hours.
Knew a guy who punched out an officer after knowingly leading men into an ambush that got several killed. Officer got shot back down to recruit and the guy got honorably discharged only because every command knew how shit the situation was and how right he was to retaliate against that officer once the reports from the survivors rose through the desks. Still, men lost their lives because of a terrible officer that had been complained about for months and showed absolutely no ability to handle a leadership role. Complaining too often falls on deaf ears
@@Robert53areaas a previous idiot grunt holy fuck you are a hero
That one time, my 10 year BM3 , told our 1st LT when he asked him to speak frankly. "Sir , I'd trust a fresh boot with my safety more than I'd trust you." Never seen a man eyes well up so fast.
Damn yeah that’s brutal
What's a BM3 doing with the Marines?
@@nicholasmuro1742coulda been a bm on patrol boats maybe. Or if it was long enough ago a bm3 who was a seal or swcc/sbu before they had their own rate like they do now
@@jcs8568
Fair enough
Shout out deck dept
This "leader" is more of a danger to these guys then the enemy is. Like napoleon said what one should fear is not a competent enemy but an incompetent ally.
At least a competent enemy still has to *find* you
@@IrishCaesar not if your leader has you calling airstrikes on yourselves like in the movie
@riskybiz9306 yeah, in case it wasn't clear I was agreeing with you. An enemy has to find you, your friends just need to make a mistake
@@IrishCaesar lol sorry I read it wrong I see that now
Idk what happens after this clip, but the fact that he doesn't react in an extreme, just that it hurts him is a sign that this guy COULD be a good leader, and the fact that he wants to listen to those around him will improve him, do long as he listens to those who tell him where he's incompetent, and if he tried to improve he will
In that moment where he was allowed to speak frankly he should have followed up the observation with advice. "Sir, you're surrounded by talented, experienced field NCOs, you should feel free to lean on them".
"Instead of the sycophant attached to your asshole 24/7 who gets off on using your position to insulate himself from being outed as a fuckup."
Yeah but look who his First Sergeant is. A 1SG will either make or break any commander.
@@mikehateberg9533 And don't forget who's 3rd Platoon's CO... seeing Fick, Colbert and the entirety of 2nd Platoon would lead you to believe everyone in B other than command is competent, but that's really not the case.
The competent parts of the Battalion (at least that we see) are Alpha's command staff and Bravo's 2nd Platoon. Basically everyone else is either meh or straight up incompetent.
Again, based on the show
@mikehateberg9533 That's why I said field ncos not staff ncos
@timothyarnold1679 I'm a bit confused on this. Staff NCOs are on a staff which only exists at the Battalion level. Companies don't have staff.
_"Please be honest, doc."_
* doc gives it to him straight *
_"Never do that shit again. I hate that."_
Stop it doc you're hurting my feelings 😭
The medic was just the right guy to ask for brutal honesty.
"Doc, you're on point for the rest of the war."
That would be a terrible choice since you know he's the DOC...
That would be about the stupidest possible thing to do. I dont care how incompetent an LT is, or how butthurt they are for getting called out on it, they simply wouldnt do it. And even if there were some kind of strange reality where the LT did try to do that, it wouldnt happen. The senior NCO leadership simply would not let it happen. There does come a point when your rank doesnt mean shit. If you start making calls out that purposely endanger your men, and its blatantly obvious that you are doing out of spite, and as a way to punish your subordinates for something, the men under you can depose you and take control of the unit from you. And you are going to have an awful lot to answer for from the big brass. Your military career as an officer is basically going to be over.
@@mattjack3983 I'm fairly confident he was making a joke...
Cowabunga it is…. -Doc -
@@mattjack3983translation for all my fellow bipoc:
"Naaah cap talking reckless, alr then, crash out gang"
"I know we've been through a lot these past few days" - "Yes sir, and most of it was thanks to you"
I love when someone in charge asks your opinion and then is shocked when you give them your opinion. 😂
Shocked pikachu face
They’re fishing for compliments.
Have you ever been in charge of something? Lest a detachment or section?
Well obviously it's more complex than that, it's the severity of the opinion that can shock someone not the opinion itself.
He might've expected some of his troops to have negative feedback but was surprised that one was so blunt and short.
Have you ever gotten a serious evaluation from someone you truly respect that negative? I would put money on the answer being no.
IMO Doc should've aimed that more at the SM. If he wasn't so busy gargling Encino's nuts all the time, maybe it wouldn't have been so bad. When we say the command team is supposed to back each other up, what we mean is they're supposed to keep eachother on a leash and provide alternative COAs, having a second set of eyes on a situation, not be a hype man.
There are warriors who just wanna be there 2 do the deed. Then theres men who are there just 2 climb the bureaucratic hierarchy so they can enrich themselves as much as possible.
These 2 types of men are completely incompatible
Eh, there’s a scene where you see Sixta is intentionally riling the men up with the grooming standard so they’d have a common grievance to unite them, he was an asshole but at least he was an asshole with intention. Encino man was just fucking useless. But then again Sixta is a diaper sniper so
@@liammitchell2540 I think he meant Casey Kasem
@@jarredpickle4916 yeah that gunny pissed me off so bad when I watched this the first time
@@jackmcfarlane7173 he’s also in prison now lmao
Losing the battalion colors, carried since Vietnam, to an enemy that can't even harm your Marines
Ay, yea that'll do it
In the Napoleonic War, officers were expected to either die retaking the colors or to off themselves with their pistol.
@@mikehateberg9533 YOU LOST THE COLOURS OF THE KING OF ENGLAND, YOU SHAMED US SIR, YOU DISGRACED US SIR!
@@jonathannilsson8482 YOU WILL ANSWER!
So like a piece of cloth???
@asiburger It's a bit more complicated than that. Yes, the colors are LITERALLY just a flag and some streamers but they represent the units history written in blood and carried into battle by every marine before them. Banners and Colors have been historically targeted for theft/destruction with the specific intent of crushing moral in enemy forces.
Not saying you should make a man kill himself for losing them but they are seriously important to Units.
A man who loses the King's Colours, loses the King's friendship
Remembering a classic line from a classic show, now that's soldiering
And the officer bragging to his senior! Think he didn’t know the full story! ‘Of course I immediately engaged sir… as is my style!’ 😂
And he was totally gutless, great show 🫡
From Sharpe, right? 😄
@@col.waltervonschonkopf69 yep
@@Peoples_Republic_of_Devonshire I see, you're a man of culture, too. 😉
Doc called in his own danger close fire mission for that sick burn, with good effect on target
Encino Man wasn’t prepared for that effective fire mission
Doc had the right grid LOL
For those not in the military, your units colors (the flag) is a symbol of morale and history. These flags and streamers have been around for years. You don’t want to be the unit that loses it.
They were here for decades even
He thought that the airstrike incident would blow over, but now he sees it truly did damage his relationship with his men. No amount of hardassing is gonna fix it.
-“I’m doing my best”
-“do the best of someone better” “sir”
Not military, but I was in law enforcement. I was doc in my 7 years. It took my last 3 is when i started saying shit like that. Unfortunate for me, cause it put a target on my back for my personnel file. But, definitely earned the respect of all my beat partners and had some impact for shift changing. We all need someone like doc. Some people in leadership need to hear it
God's speed, hope you have some serious folks to watch your back.
Can imagine the spiteful pettiness going a long way.
The world need more honesty like this. Too bad if it hurts. The truth does. That's how you know it's the truth.
Medic is the one who has to patch guys up because LT made a bad call no shit he's gonna be the one with the harshest word
Corpsmen in the Marine Corps are uniquely equipped for this sort of exchange. First, most of them are beloved and respected in ways that officers have a hard time matching. Second, they aren't Marines. They are Navy,.
There is a high performance vs high trust issue raised in Navy Seal team 6. They prefer high trust vs high performance. This scene depicts that lack of trust. It doesn't matter how competent; that's a symptom.What's needed is less speeches and more action.
How so?
Idk, but I can speculate. I think he means to say, in this scene the men don't trust their the captain, as he has proven himself to be completely incompetent and shirts responsibility onto others. That is to say, his men don't trust him. The high trust vs high performance idea is a matter performance. To put it in a more understandable scenario, think about a lawn care company; you have your employees who show up, do the gardening in 1/2 an hour, the lawn is clean, cut, but it doesn't look overly special to anyone else's lawn in the neighborhood. They do 16 houses a day the same way. They make $800/day. But every couple of years they no longer have the same customers. Then you have the company who does 4 houses a day, spending 2 hours at each, not only do they mow the grass, they treat it for harmful weeds and bugs, it grows in thicker, more luscious, and they take care of the flower garden too. Their four customers have been using this service for a minimum of 10 years each, bringing in $800/ day. While both businesses bring in the same money, one is more reliable, and brings forth better service, and is trusted by their customers; while the other business gets a lot of customers haphazardly taken care of, and loses them every so often. Does that make any sense? Also think about getting a car serviced, take it to a speedy lube, or dealership, where they want as many cars in the gate as they can, or take it to the local town mechanic, who maybe a little slower, but doesnt over charge, and everyone trusts. The same goes in the military/ spec ops. While the military isn't a business, it is run like one. The seals prefer to have high profile missions, where failure is not an option but, with guys they trust, and a command who trusts them to do the job, without questioning their methods, but it is a slow methodical mission, than guys who take on a lot of smaller missions at a rapid pace. The guys who go on a lot, quickly, are the guys who go in guns blazing, for metals, and get their compatriots killed. The seals plan every move, and capture or eliminate a target without any one knowing they were there. At least that's the theory. As he said less speeches more action, this particular captain in GK is incompetent, his actions have shown that, he repeatedly put his men in harms way, let his NCOs either get in the way of the right action, or not let his NCOs do that action. But he talks a big game, as far as his men go, he wants to be a good leader, he wants his men to succeed, he probably wants his men to be victorious and remembered for something. He truely care for his men, but when he is under pressure, he cant make the right decisions. Like the saying goes, 'the beatings will continue until morale improves.' He is bringing morale down, because of his incompetence, and thinks being open and honest with his men will help improve that, when in reality, he needs to step aside and realize he isnt able to lead the men the way it should be done, and he isn't realizing the potential his men have, and that the are a well oiled machine that can run without him. I hope that all makes sense.
@@Thevoiceofsomething ah I see, thanks for explaining that mate. I wasn’t sure what OP was getting at but if this was it, it sure cleared it up, appreciate you takin the time 🤙🏼
@@ThevoiceofsomethingNice explanation
Bro told him right to his face. The way medics are always brutally honest, man…
Medics don't play around man. Once someone is getting hurt or at risk of getting hurt, those MFs are in charge immediately
“Here to save your ass, not kiss it.”
Doc is one brutally Honest straightforward Mf
That's why he's one of my fav characters in the series along with Lt. Fick and Colbert.
@@thatmetalhead2182 mein favorite is Sgt Majors always reminds me of Good old soldiers for them Grooming standards is a way flaunt their superiority
The US Military loses 4 times as many people to suicide as combat. The real enemy is a domestic one. No one ever join!
-Sincerely a disabled vet
Would it be better if we lost 4x as many in combat?
I hope you're doing what you gotta and your ruck is lighter today than yesterday.
@hateferlife Thanks man. God bless you brother.
Thanks for your service. I never suffered PTSD myself from my time in, but I have seen it up close and personal in friends. I wouldn’t let my kids join.
Thank for your service brother but we do have foreign threats too….theres always foreign and domestic but i agree the bigger one now IS domestic
Don't ever, ever ask if you don't want to hear the answer.
No coming back for a commander that gets honesty back.....
“You lost the colors of the 1st Battalion Recon! You disgraced us, sir. You shamed us, sir. *You* will answer.”
A man who loses Battalion Recon's colors, loses Battalion Recon's friendship.
Doc bringin the heat
Would the commander have been wiser to have never asked? At least he knows the reality of his situation now, and can work to solve it.
The truth is vital.
I had an awesome platoon commander. The other platoons weren’t so lucky lol
Their platoon commander is fine, excellent even, it’s their company commander that’s not good
Bout to get fraged, that was your only warning.
I have not seen the show, but all Marine Infantry Officers pass the IOC. It is rigorous, they are the best. That being said, it is relative to call him incompetent. Doc is the real one. Always has, always will. If he says the officer is incompetent, then he may be the least competent Doc knows. The worst of the best. A new leader is worse than an experienced one. An experienced one promotes out of that position.
Our Corpsman was beloved by everyone in our squad.
"It's almost like, we're on some kind of, suicied squad."
lmao that guy in the background saying "Ay tell him we need more batteries"
During Vietnam War, This Dangerous Incompetent Officer Could Been Fragged!
No one cares. This isn't Vietnam kiddo
@@RoastTurtle2we got a certified internet tough guy watch out yall
@@RoastTurtle2☝️🤓🤓🤓
@@RoastTurtle2 Don't bother. Commenters like that are generally call of duty wannabes that really have no clue what they're talking about.
@@shade9272
Look that we got another internet tough guy.
I was a Special Forces officer in A/1/5 and we worked with both Fleet Marine Force Recon and then Marine Raiders after they stood up,and I always saw that their officers and enlisted men were squared away and not by any means incompetent.None of them.They were good people and they were not only tough,well trained,but also smart.
That was Savage and Awesome at the same time
Anyone who was in the military, regardless of branch 100% understands how accurate this is and goddam does it infuriate me that people like this absolutely have gotten good men and women killed.
Never ask docs opinion unless you’re ready to get your feelings hurt, cuz don’t care about your feelings, he cares about your life, and if your stupidity is putting you or others in jeopardy, he’s gonna make sure you know what’s up
don't ask for a ranks off conversation if you're not ready for it.
Ah its always a good thing to have atleast one bro that tells you how it is. Respect that.
Batista was asked the same question earlier, he skillfully used his lacking english to give encino man a good non-answer.
I use the same tactic every once in a while and it still works just fine.
Damn, I've never seen someone take that to heart so much.
- Men, I want you to be honest with me.
- Well, it's just that you're incompetent, sir.
- Whoa, not that honest!
I always love the background dialogue lmfao
I’m not a Marine so I never knew about this tradition. Losing the eagle standard in Rome was like losing your division’s soul to the enemy. Going to have to watch this show.
You know how much the commander screwed up when the field medic is calling him incompetent to lead.
Remember HM2 Bryan is an recon corpsman, ATL and Afghanistan veteran. He's recon through and through, and he gives zero fucks, especially when dealing with incompetence.
Ol Doc took a big risk saying that.
Mike Kelly, took this to heart and ensured his characters going forward would not be incompetent
“I want to hear your concerns.” Is code for “shut up and stop your bellyaching.”
Always count on Doc to say it like it is, reminds me of our Doc HM1 Mulligan, tuff little red haired Irishman with a thick mustache sometimes a beard, lol. He knew his stuff, demanded all of us know first responders aid, taught all of us officers included, remarkable man. To bad today’s Corps will never experience the camaraderie that once was.
Shit changes down range, love this movie.
Encino man
Encino Man didn't expect that. He really thought he was a good Commander.
Almost felt bad for Encino Man there
Yeah, I don't like the guy. But that kind of feedback can crumble a man.
Dude their faces as he speaks 😂
To lead men into combat and then to hear one of those men tell you that you are incompetent: It is hard to imagine a greater horror.
No one messes with Doc.
Fuck man that was emotional as hell
As a prior enlisted Marine grunt and graduate of the Infantry Officers Course and several other rigorous military schools I can tell you that IOC is an extremely mentally and physically challenging course meant to weed out those not capable of leading their Marines in harms way. I suspect that all the Recon Officers during the OIF-1 timeframe all had a successful tour with a infantry battalion before going through a rigorous indoc and interviews before being given the opportunity to even attend BRC (let alone graduate a course with with well over 50% attrition). I for one have worked with Steve Fernando and have working alongside these fine warriors in Iraq and AFG and have nothing but respect
for him and all the Marines and sailors of 1st Recon Bn.
Never, ever ask someone how they’re really feeling unless you’re prepared for the answer
At least he actually had balls to listen to his men. I didn't even thought that I'll come across even worse.....
The Peter Principal at work in the military.
“Doing your best? This isn’t the fucking haberdashery business!”
I always hated how you gotta talk to COs like damn I aint talking to a lord as a measly peasant mf not only younger than me but he a Lt just cause his ass could afford college
If he was ALREADY doing his best, what more could you expect of him ?
Any NCO hates it when an officer says "Speak freely. Tell me the truth, man to man." The problem is that there are always some officers who will not take criticism from an underling, especially one who he thinks is personally loyal. The captain in the short at least does not repond by ordering them all to attention and dressing them down for disrepect. He actually respects his promise, and that is not guaranteed.
I wonder if the guy this character was based on was embarrassed when the show came out. In every episode, watching this dude try to think thru the simplest of situations is like watching a toddler try to defuse a bomb
Scene then fades to the CURB YOUR ENTHUSIASM theme tune...
Just goes to show. No one messes with Doc 😂😂
Tough to hear from your team!
Gave him a real gut check with that comment.
That’s the kind of Doc that will be HYT’ed out of the Navy before ever making HM1.
when someone tells you they’re doing the best they can and their best is absolute shit.. pray
Evan Wright's NCO perspective is miles away from the middle management PowerPoints on the course at Camp Pendleton usually reserved for short leash embedded reporters
Never ask you guys to speak freely if you aren’t ready for it
So "tough and aggressive" I tried (but failed) to order a danger close strike on me and my men 😂
I have a similar system in my game to let players call in airstrikes. These systems are cool and fun! 😎
Something I've done in my game (which you can borrow if you'd like): instead of the enemy team randomly calling in strikes, there's a physical enemy unit on the field that's doing it, and in a limited radius around that unit. This gives the player more counterplay options: prioritize taking out that enemy to eliminate the risk of strikes. Avoid proximity to that enemy when possible, etc.
You could style this enemy as a radio operator, and give him an obvious antenna backpack and sfx/vfx to help the player identify the threat. 😃
The truth hurts.. but it's still the truth
Nobody asks doc to speak frankly. Nobody can afford to get rid of doc. Doc is the one who reassures Marines they are invincible.
No commander ever wants you to speak freely. That man got a NJP for that. 😂
The fact that he says "I'm doing the Best I can" and not "How can I be better" is why he should be demoted.
To Specialist, preferably.
For those who dont know the qctor playing the medic is an actual prior srlervice member, much like the actor who played fruity rudy... although that one is more hilarious since rudy is literally playing himself from when he was in the first marines on this very same campaign.
Every time I saw an officer say to speak frankly, he still only wanted to hear compliments. If you spoke poorly of him, he wouldn’t do anything right then, but you would catch hell later.
Working under incompetency and actually good NCO's, the difference is night and day
When Baptista was talkin shiiii in Portuguese , yk he was madder then a mf when Encino Man had to look at his uniform for his name 💀💀💀
Instead of saying “I’m doing the best I can” you should be asking “how can I improve”?
when I was over there, we had a company commander that was told by the brigade commander to not bother to reenlist because he will never make it past capt.
Officers don't reenlist, 🤣🤣🤣🤣.
I remember watching this and literately spitting my food out like “YES FUCK YOU” someone finally said it
"Sebte borro la sonrisa"
Respectfully, thats gotta fucking hurt.
In OBA, Fick wrote very little about the supply truck, other than that it was a smart move as they needed to be mobile and fast to keep up op tempo.
If you're a military officer you asked some of your man to be blunt and honest as possible. You should be prepared for the answer. Sometimes don't ask questions if you don't want to hear the answers
Never ask the doc!!!!!!!!!!
He messed up letting that go. He should have said, “f@ck you, Doc!!! You don’t open your effin mouth to me like that again, or we will really forget about these bars over behind the berm!!!”
First mistake is telling yourself you are a good leader.