I just made a batch today, following this recipe. I used plaster of Paris (available in every hardware store here) and graphite powder. This was really easy to do and my pitch bowl is filled now. I used an old 2€ pot from a second hand store and a wooden stick to stir it. I would have no ides how to clean that up anyhow I made it on the gas kitchen stove of my father in law. The smell of the melting pine was amazing. I only had two spills, very easy to clean up. Thanks for sharing this in your videos.
I made my pitch today following this video. I'm really pleased with how it went and excited to get back to using a pitch bowl again after a long time. My only disappointment is that I used what I thought was ground coal given to me by a friend but it was actually made from one of those artificial man made briquettes. The resulting mixture is quite an unpleasent grey/green colour. It should work just the same but it's just a shame I really like the look of the black pitch. One day I'll make some more and use soot maybe. Huge thanks for sharing this invaluable information Ford. I really wanted the experience of making my own pitch which I have really enjoyed and life is never perfect after all.
You never know, Emma, you may have inadvertently discovered a better soot substitute. You may also find that the colour will darken as you use it and the charcoal breaks down even more and becomes more finely divided and distributed. I made some in the US using a not ideal charcoal powder and that came out olive green initially! In time it did eventually go almost black.
@@killmimesdue to the difference in temperatures, and that the texture of the pitch is influenced by the room temperature, Someone could prefer to make a pitch that is softer to the touch at normal temperature, so that it will be perfect for winter use, and another that is harder, to use for summer because it will be softer at that moment ;)
I made up a batch of Matsuyani tonight and it went well and has hardened up nicely. I used and electric hotplate instead of gas. I used plaster of paris and for the carbon I ground up some pine charcoal. I found that the plaster of paris version comes out a much lighter colour that what is shown in this video. I borrowed my wifes serving spoon to stir it which was a mistake... it is very difficult cleaning up this stuff. I found isopropyl alcohol works best for cleanup. I bought a cheap pan from a second hand store so I don't need to worry about cleaning that mess up thankfully. Thanks for the video Ford.
it's not the plaster of Paris that makes it appear lighter but the carbon you used. Ground charcoal is much more coarse than soot powder so the particles don't disperse as well, making it look lighter. The pitch you will see on my usual pitch bowl, the steel one, was made with Plaster of Paris and that's a solid black now.
Thinking of what I have lying about to make a thick walled steel bowl to put this in, I have collected several nitrous oxide small gas cylinders chucked out of car windows by kids on Saturday nights whilst out dog walking the following morning. A council worker told me they were hundreds after the river festival. Cutting across the base of one with a small angle grinder would fit the bill nicely I think. They are rounded and quite thick steel.
Thanks for all your great videos.... craftspeople, such as yourself, sharing your knowledge and experience like this is sometimes the only access some of us have to traditional and modern technique. Really appreciated.. Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this type pitch typically used for? I'm guessing by the quantity, it's for mounting/holding pieces of material for engraving?
Thank you very much for your method. I have already done it, but I have a question, with your permission. After the drying is complete, it has reached a state of solidity. Is this correct? Is it not required to have a percentage of softness?
Glad to hear the film was useful. Once completely cool it should indeed be very hard. In cold weather hard enough to crack when struck sharply. If, as in earlier stages of uchidashi, you need it to be more pliant or malleable you need to use it a warmer state. This can only be a matter of personal experimentation and experience.
Is mango sap similar to this? Cause my classmates and I put mango sap in a pan, and we just burnt it, it didnt become liquid, maybe we should have some oil there? Cause we didn't add some
Thanks for the video Ford. The one question I have is about the charcoal and its purpose in the mix and I think your video cuts off just before you give the answer! Other than colour, what does the charcoal do?
it's never been explained but I suspect it's not just about the colour. Carbon in a finely divided state can act as a lubricant and perhaps also with heat distribution. I try not to substitute in traditional recipes until I'm certain what an ingredient fully does.
@@FordHallam interesting. I want to know more now what it does! I understand the need to follow the traditional recipes in order to keep the consistency and working properties correct.
Thanks Ford. This has perhaps multiple uses for my craftwork. What type of vessel do you pour it into for storage? What’s the room temperature consistency of the pitch? Best method for reheating small amounts? Thanks always for your time. I’m playing catch-up with your vids but occasionally watch these as they come up. Cheers.
Thank you for the video! But can someone tell me what's the difference between pine rosin vs resin? It seems to be used interchangeably online. Thank you in advance! :)
Pine resin is the fresh sticky sap as it seeps from the tree. Rosin is the same stuff after it's been processed to extract the turpentine, thus leaving it less liquid and more brittle. Then, after 10 000 it becomes amber. :-)
Hello, I've been enjoying your videos for a while. Thank you for sharing your skills and process with us! I wanted to ask you about Nunome Zogan in particular... I have been interested in trying this technique since I saw a demonstration in Japan, but unfortunately I wasn't able to research it properly at the time. Are there any places you can purchase materials and tools from (I live in the United States)? I have been trying to find out where I might purchase some supplies, but so far my search has been fruitless. Do you have any advice or recommendations? I would attempt to make the tools, but I don't have a proper space or materials to do so and I'm not confident in my skill yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Really interesting, I've been wondering about this process. But it is very jarring when it cuts from very quiet talk to very loud clips. Either I can't hear what is being said or my ears bleed. Leveling the audio makes a huge difference for the viewer. Also the end seemed to be cut off, it ends mid sentence.
I just made a batch today, following this recipe. I used plaster of Paris (available in every hardware store here) and graphite powder.
This was really easy to do and my pitch bowl is filled now. I used an old 2€ pot from a second hand store and a wooden stick to stir it. I would have no ides how to clean that up anyhow
I made it on the gas kitchen stove of my father in law. The smell of the melting pine was amazing. I only had two spills, very easy to clean up.
Thanks for sharing this in your videos.
I made my pitch today following this video. I'm really pleased with how it went and excited to get back to using a pitch bowl again after a long time. My only disappointment is that I used what I thought was ground coal given to me by a friend but it was actually made from one of those artificial man made briquettes. The resulting mixture is quite an unpleasent grey/green colour. It should work just the same but it's just a shame I really like the look of the black pitch. One day I'll make some more and use soot maybe. Huge thanks for sharing this invaluable information Ford. I really wanted the experience of making my own pitch which I have really enjoyed and life is never perfect after all.
You never know, Emma, you may have inadvertently discovered a better soot substitute. You may also find that the colour will darken as you use it and the charcoal breaks down even more and becomes more finely divided and distributed. I made some in the US using a not ideal charcoal powder and that came out olive green initially! In time it did eventually go almost black.
Mine has lasted forever, mixed it in 1978. I have two pitch bowls, one for summer and a winter bowl.
What is the difference between summer and winter bowls?
@@killmimesdue to the difference in temperatures, and that the texture of the pitch is influenced by the room temperature, Someone could prefer to make a pitch that is softer to the touch at normal temperature, so that it will be perfect for winter use, and another that is harder, to use for summer because it will be softer at that moment ;)
I made up a batch of Matsuyani tonight and it went well and has hardened up nicely. I used and electric hotplate instead of gas. I used plaster of paris and for the carbon I ground up some pine charcoal. I found that the plaster of paris version comes out a much lighter colour that what is shown in this video. I borrowed my wifes serving spoon to stir it which was a mistake... it is very difficult cleaning up this stuff. I found isopropyl alcohol works best for cleanup. I bought a cheap pan from a second hand store so I don't need to worry about cleaning that mess up thankfully. Thanks for the video Ford.
it's not the plaster of Paris that makes it appear lighter but the carbon you used. Ground charcoal is much more coarse than soot powder so the particles don't disperse as well, making it look lighter. The pitch you will see on my usual pitch bowl, the steel one, was made with Plaster of Paris and that's a solid black now.
@@FordHallam
Thanks Ford, that makes sense.
Great video. Please can you explain or give me a link to understand the use matsuyani-japanese pine rosin pitch
Thinking of what I have lying about to make a thick walled steel bowl to put this in, I have collected several nitrous oxide small gas cylinders chucked out of car windows by kids on Saturday nights whilst out dog walking the following morning. A council worker told me they were hundreds after the river festival. Cutting across the base of one with a small angle grinder would fit the bill nicely I think. They are rounded and quite thick steel.
May I ask if activated charcoal would be a good replacement for soot? Tia
Muito bom ! Grata , como posso deixar para que fique uma cola cremosa?
Good times in the garden. :)
Thanks for all your great videos.... craftspeople, such as yourself, sharing your knowledge and experience like this is sometimes the only access some of us have to traditional and modern technique. Really appreciated..
Please excuse my ignorance, but what is this type pitch typically used for? I'm guessing by the quantity, it's for mounting/holding pieces of material for engraving?
Thanks for sharing. Curious what kind of veggie oil? Also is there a recipe that uses pine tar instead of the oil?
Oleo de mamona( ricino)
Hi, do you know if its possible to add more/less of one of the ingredients to make it softer? i constantly find the pitch cracking under the plate.
Thank you very much for your method. I have already done it, but I have a question, with your permission. After the drying is complete, it has reached a state of solidity. Is this correct? Is it not required to have a percentage of softness?
Glad to hear the film was useful. Once completely cool it should indeed be very hard. In cold weather hard enough to crack when struck sharply. If, as in earlier stages of uchidashi, you need it to be more pliant or malleable you need to use it a warmer state. This can only be a matter of personal experimentation and experience.
My sincere thanks and appreciation for your interest in the response. Does this mean that I keep heating continuously throughout the work period?
can the pitch be made using benzoin
Is mango sap similar to this? Cause my classmates and I put mango sap in a pan, and we just burnt it, it didnt become liquid, maybe we should have some oil there? Cause we didn't add some
This appeared in my recommendations. Why, I have no idea. I learned how to make something I don't have a use for.
Thanks for the video Ford. The one question I have is about the charcoal and its purpose in the mix and I think your video cuts off just before you give the answer! Other than colour, what does the charcoal do?
it's never been explained but I suspect it's not just about the colour. Carbon in a finely divided state can act as a lubricant and perhaps also with heat distribution. I try not to substitute in traditional recipes until I'm certain what an ingredient fully does.
@@FordHallam interesting. I want to know more now what it does! I understand the need to follow the traditional recipes in order to keep the consistency and working properties correct.
Can this be used to seal wooden kuksa cups?
Thanks Ford. This has perhaps multiple uses for my craftwork. What type of vessel do you pour it into for storage? What’s the room temperature consistency of the pitch? Best method for reheating small amounts? Thanks always for your time. I’m playing catch-up with your vids but occasionally watch these as they come up. Cheers.
Hi. I've often seen it stored in those metal food containers like the ones a takeaway comes in. if you buy premade pitch it comes in those too.
@@emmawelsh5336 Thank you so much for your reply Emma. I had forgotten I had even made this post. 😊
Thank you for the video! But can someone tell me what's the difference between pine rosin vs resin? It seems to be used interchangeably online. Thank you in advance! :)
Pine resin is the fresh sticky sap as it seeps from the tree. Rosin is the same stuff after it's been processed to extract the turpentine, thus leaving it less liquid and more brittle. Then, after 10 000 it becomes amber. :-)
Rosin seems much more readily available to buy; I presume it would change the working properties of the pitch if you used pure, untreated pine resin?
how do you keep the rosin from becoming flammable? ive seen quite a few videos wheres everything is on fire ...
I suppose it's a matter of taking care and not overheating the whole mess. I'd never apply a flame directly to the rosin, maybe that's the issue?
what are the uses of this?
Hello, I've been enjoying your videos for a while. Thank you for sharing your skills and process with us! I wanted to ask you about Nunome Zogan in particular... I have been interested in trying this technique since I saw a demonstration in Japan, but unfortunately I wasn't able to research it properly at the time. Are there any places you can purchase materials and tools from (I live in the United States)? I have been trying to find out where I might purchase some supplies, but so far my search has been fruitless. Do you have any advice or recommendations? I would attempt to make the tools, but I don't have a proper space or materials to do so and I'm not confident in my skill yet. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Mmmm, worst honeycomb recipe ever :P
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Have you tried castor oil instead of vegetable oil? Castor oil never goes rancid.
Really interesting, I've been wondering about this process.
But it is very jarring when it cuts from very quiet talk to very loud clips. Either I can't hear what is being said or my ears bleed.
Leveling the audio makes a huge difference for the viewer.
Also the end seemed to be cut off, it ends mid sentence.
the forbidden caramel sauce
he he, with extra stickiness