RANKING THE BEST RED CARDS IN cEDH
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- Dylan and Cam Rank the Best Red Cards in cEDH
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Very surprised Tibalt, the Fiend-Blooded wasn't mentioned.
Lmao nice 🤣
It’s a 2 mana insurrection win con. OP in my opinion.
They only ranking cedh cards....
@@ultrakombou Yes. It is a joke.
It is 2 mana so it’s practically a time walk
I’ve considered taking all the spells out of my deck to make Force Of Will bad in everyone else’s
CANT COUNTER SPELLS ID THERES NO SPELLS TO COUNTER
This is obviously a joke, but I do wonder how much of a deck you could make using only cards that have abilities from hand/graveyard etc without necessarily being spells. It wouldnt be a good deck, but it would be interesting
@@deaddreamdance If your out of CEDH, bazaar of baghdad could do you some favors
Another BIG upside for Imperial Recruiter in some decks: find Kitten. Cast some noncreature spell, blink Recruiter for Dockside, then go nuts! Imperial Recruiter is essentially an A+B, then.
“Some decks” WE KNOW WHAT DECK YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT KEN
How do I get on the show
@@PlaytoWinMTG some decks (cough, Ken) use rite of flame to storm off too lol
@@PlaytoWinMTGwait, what deck is it
@@jacobna2080my guess is krark-shima
"Jeska's will is like day trading, Birgi is like your 401k" is one of the funniest, most correct analogies I've ever heard
Also, when you do your OTJ episode, if you decide to play the new Obeka, you should call the deck "What's upkeep? Nothing much, how about you"
I built a deck for the new Obeka its called "It smells like upkeep in here". built it as high power with my brother but I really think she's either casual casual or cedh.
@@floridaman633 I don't think she's cedh, 3 different pips means she's hard to drop on 2, so you have to drop her on 3 and attack on 4, and the effects you want to proc are not that good if you aren't getting them immediately and duplicated/can guarantee you will even get them once (like the courts)
It can be decently high power imho, I've had games of dropping her relatively early and doing things like dropping some courts (like the black one that makes you discard, or the red one that does 7 damage) and do quite strong things but I haven't played a ton of games
Edit: smells like upkeep in here is a much better name, can't believe I went with what I did
42:00 when cam said he plays by fire emblem rules, i do the same thing with pokemon. less than a 65% chance is functionally zero, while 90% is functionally 100%
focus blast always misses, and scald always burns. i don't make the rules
This seems correct. I think the biggest draw to playing mono or two color red decks is the strength of some of the commanders. Magda and Godo are still powerful magic cards with great strategies, and to a lesser extent so are Birgi and Urabrask. In R/X colors you have Etali, Krark/Sak, ObNix, etc, where your lack of card depth is made up for by the absurd strength of your command zone. I think the only 2 additions I might have made to this list are Heat Shimmer (since it can copy opposing things like Dockside, Ranger Captain, and so on) and Tibalt's Trickery, which has been WAY better for me than I thought it would be.
S-tier youtube comment
Tibalts trickery is so good, just because it's frequently unexpected.
@@joshholmes1372 it really is. No one ever expects Rakdos, Grull or MonoR to have a 2cmc hard counter
Heat Shimmer just got hard powercrept by Molten Duplication, Etali players rejoice
@@casuallydone468 Molten Duplication is a better replacement for Twinflame. It doesn't hit opposing creatures, like Heat Shimmer can
I would have liked to hear about some other win conditions from red, like Duel Caster or Kiki-Jiki. Those probably would have been 3 somethings.
I also would have liked to hear about red copy effects, twinflame, heatshimmer, and cursed mirrior. (Also probably 3 or even 2.5 somethings)
Tbh, you guys got the important stuff, so good episode.
I feel like Kiki and DCM are solid win conditions but kind of lackluster on their own. Heat Shimmer, on the other hand, is powerful just as a card. Copy your dockside. Copy someone ELSES dockside. Copy a Gilded Drake. Copy your Etali. The applications for that card are huge, even outside the combo
There's no way WOTC could ever print demonic spirit guide or merfolk spirit giude lol
What about Kithkin Spirit Guide?
@@nicolafierro1 that's a good one lol
@@ghost64626 honestly dont mind that one tbh. A white guide isn't bad at the most you turn 1 you tutor for a mana crypt or any other artifact. wouldn't be that bad🤧
it's called lotus petal
I'm an EDH player that uses proxies that enjoys CEDH tech and talk to build decks which I then scale down to appropriate fun playgroup power level. Thanks for these videos. Very helpful for someone like me (looking in through the window).
51:53 “First chain food sliver” will never get old lmao
I like how you asses cards and use it in my own way of seeing if there's a card I want to try playing, I feel like bolt hitting bow masters might be kind of over looked here, but totally.
Nice Kennywood shirt cam! That's the best park ever!
Surveil lands are time walks but Final Fortune isn’t. Got it.
I only play Final Fortune in Krarkashima and that goes without saying.
Great series guys
The Kennywood sweater is awesome! I havent been there since I was little.
Wheel has frequently started to demand answers from my opponents when it is also paired with Bowmasters- it is pressuring out options from a lot of folks, and sometimes ends up killing opponents, or removing entire swathes of the board to set up wins. It can give my opponents full grips, to be sure, but the incidental value ends up pretty big.
I like the rating the card got, but I thinks its relevance under Bowmaster- my own (and my opponents') is an interesting vector.
catching up on the pods. and holy gwakamol! kennywood!
I love this channel, you guys got me into cEDH
love the berserk shirt, amazing taste
Ragavan getting worse because of bowmaster is such a universal constant throughout all formats which is pretty funny
I was guessing what number you guys would agree on every card and it was so fun 😂 also, Cam’s Fire Emblem comparison to Gamble was so spot on.
Would love a stream or fun video of Cam playing Fire Emblem
Sick berserk deluxe edition collection and tee dylan!
THANK YOU
Once you finish the 5 color you should do the ranking considering the top 5 of each list
Love the shirt Dylan is wearing!
Would love to hear your guys thoughts on Urabrask the great work. I know he isn't quite there but I feel like he's borderline
The only time I play gamble is in a izzit deck that doesn’t have tutors. I have been screwed to many times for me to run it. Nothing feels worse then turn one gamble for a jeweled lotus for niv mizzet and it hits the lotus.
Have you tried not discarding the card you tutored for?
I cut jeska will from my thrasios vial deck. Because my list plays 5 red spells so both the exile cards effect and the red mana just showed to be utterly useless.
We need a video at the end of the series that ranks all the 5s from every color against each other.
Y’all missed a golden opportunity on April 1st to release a 3 1/2 hr best green cards in CEDH with nothing in it
Idk with atraxa and najeela showing why you can't just be sans green and win every game, hard to joke there are NO good green cards.
Another huge difference between Rite of Flames and Simian Spirit Guide is needing to commit a mana, potentially of any color, into RR instead of RX. Additionally, you can monkey blast while tapped out!
Nice fire emblem insert love that game
Oooh nice Berkman shirt
Does Deflecting Swatting a Peer into The Abyss really function so that you can redirect the draw to yourself but the original caster still loses half their life? PITA is worded so that target player draws the cards and loses the life, so wouldn't the swatter in this case draw the cards and also lose the life?
We were wrong about this, the drawer loses the life
my kenrith deck does not use deflecting swat and fierce guardianship. i use mindbreak trap and stick mostly on permanents as in cedh, most of the interaction are instant and sorcery..
"Dockside goes infinite with a ham sandwich" great line read from Cam there
dylan wearing a berserk shirt during best red cards in cEDH is a flavor win
You should do a top 10 of all the top 10's
Fun thing to do with wheel of fortune is use it to abuse orcish bowmaster. Went for a breach but had lost my brain freeze and was able to shoot my way to victory with 21 damage at a time
Also can make you 21 treasure if you have a smothering in play
Deflecting swat doesn't go into Evelyn because she is the payoff for Worldgorger dragon and if you cast her before, it's a 5 mana draw 4 if she hits that won't necessarily get you what you need
Deflecting swat isn’t played in Ikra Dargo because usually when you’d need a deflecting swat you just sacced Dargo and Ikra doesn’t hit the field
I have a cEDH prosper deck, and i feel my logic would apply the same to an Ob nixilis deck. I prefer rite of flame to simian spirit guide in those two specific decks, because you can't exile simian spirit guide from exile, only your hand
Dockside only being a 5 just seems wrong... I'd definitely say it's at least an 87
I played in a tournament recently where my opponent hit me with their Ragavan two turns in a row and hit my dockside immediately followed by my ad naus so I'm a little higher on Ragavan recently. That was rough lol
I love the birgi/jeska comparison to 401k/day trading
Imperial Recruiter has been so good for me. Few has counters for it.
Dylan rockin the Guts shirt. Based
this list rocked my world (earthquake pun)
I would rank Pyroblast a bit higher than Red Elemental Blast. Only because you can cast Pyroblast targetting a non-blue spell or permanent so that you can count it as another spell for storm, or just getting it off your hand. Red Elemental Blast can't do that since it specifically says target blue spell or permanent
Basically red is a great top end but a mid engine
Gotta love when my cards can go with my ham sandwich combo
What rating would you give Artifact Blast?
"I've started going by Fire Emblem rules" 😂
Are you guys also looking forward to do this with colorless too?
Inalla won't play D swat to help your "what deck wont play it?" question
I think Winota shunted Lightning bolt down to a 3.5 from a 4.5
People started cutting bolt to play removal that hits winota, but when winota dropped from the meta, people realised that the removal that took bolts spot was better in general.
Kraum and tivit kept it out of meta.
Final Fortune is basically a Time Walk
I agree with the list, because the lists are always "100% accurate" 😂 but I think you guys missed some:
-Tibalt's Trickery
-Abrade
-Blasphemous Act
*Maybe* lower score but maybe not:
-Bolt Bend
-Zoyowa's Justice
(I get these are 2 red pips but use better mana)
-Reverberate
-Wild Surge
&
-Chaos Warp (below)
(Maybe Chaos Warp costs too much now-a-days, but it's usually "hey we don't want this permanent back any time soon. Waste another tutor on it." Anything removal. Basically 95% of the time says: "Breathe. You Don't Lose the Game this turn." 😂)
Crimson Caravaneer 👍
@@brendans1983 Yep! and professional face-breaker. Almost forgot.
Why do you always have mana crypt
Man i play a lot of these spells in my narset enlightenes exile
50:39 How redirecting Intuition to a player with Veil of Summer actually works? Will its caster get all 3 cards to hand or all 3 to graveyard?
Intuition would fizzle completely if they have Veil of Summer
@@PlaytoWinMTG oh, well, that makes sense, thank you
Pyroblast to kill phantasmal image while clones are so good is a consideration
Or counter it lol
I think this is the one of these lists I've disagreed with the most so far. Obviously the top few are fine, but below that I think my ordering would be pretty different.
Primeval titan: banned because “when it’s played the game now revolves around primeval titan.”
Dockside extortionist: no that’s fine don’t worry about it
I also agree that Dockside Extortionist should have been banned.
In my playgroup, we have it banned.
When the next cedh tournament
The only time I’ve seen Ragavan be relevant is when someone casts an Imperial Seal and forgot about Ragavan. I’ve never seen it get more than 2-3 treasures over the course of a game, and that’s only if it’s played on turn one. So I’d rate that one lower than a 4
“Final Fortune! It opens windows, it breaks walls, it makes you flexible, it even julienne’s fries!”
-Cam, probably
It might just be me but I haven’t seen an ImpRec user in ages.
Is Blood Moon any good in cEDH?
Extremely good in mono red or perhaps a red/x stax deck. Tough to pull off outside that.
Would godo play Deflecting Swat?
no Rograkh?
For me Simian Spirit Guide is better than Rite of Flame because of my non cedh Kibo Deck. I can hard cast it and get it pumped with Kibo! Seriously though, I still think it's better due to Mental Misstep.
Do Dylan or Cam ever respond to comments? If not, does anyone know if they proxy cards? Curious their take but haven’t found a podcast episode addressing proxies at all.
There was an episode 2 or 3 years ago where Cam talked about the Dual Land proxies he use that someone asked where they could get the same ones but other than that from what I can remember they don't talk about it because CEDH players in general are fine with proxies and its a rule 0 discussion anyway so no point in talking about it.
BIG TIME we proxy cards yes
Thank you so much for the reply! I’ve never played a single game of cEDH, and your channel is the sole reason why I’m going to try. Y’all make it seem so much fun, and I’ve learned a ton as I’m ripping through your videos. Thanks for the time and effort.
Got a commander or deck suggestion for a first timer?
Only 14 cards, and nothing of importance was missed. Red's cardpool really isn't that deep, but those few good Red cards sure are bangers.
Honorable mentions would probably be like:
- Blood Moon / Magus
- Professional Face Breaker
- Abrade
but even those cards are very niche, and Face Breaker is the only one that sees some play in meta decks since its a Tymna creature.
Jeska's Will is options trading...
Doesn't Deflecting Swatting Peer into the Abyss also change the target of the life loss?
YES I MISSPOKE
How do I get on the show
Chill
Crimson Caravaneer gets a 4.2, you just dont know it yet.
Should i cut Jeska’s Will from my Kenrith deck?
Do you cast kenrith?
@@BVBridesifyer very often, infinite mana sources allow kenrith to win me the game through multiple lines. I just don’t have much red but it feels like such a powerful card but in WUBRG there are many powerful cards i could cut it for.
@@remogaming791 I guess more specifically my question is, do you tend to cast kenrith before you have infinite mana? Is your list turbo or midrange? These are all relevant questions for deciding on a cut
@@BVBridesifyer def more of a turbo deck with Thassas’ oracle and walking ballista as options. Kenrith is not always reliably cast unless i properly mulligan. There are enough Drannith Magistrates in the meta to also hurt Kenrith.
I mean it has to be Magda right?
Oops I meant underworld breach
Birgi - The best day trader in the game! ❤❤
No Abrade?
Didnt even get an "Or listening"
I stand corrected, there were enough red cards for a top 10
Jeska Thrice reborn ?
dockside, next.
Ragavan must go in Sisay
Can't wait for the rerankings in a month after they finish all the colors and have gaslit themselves into a totally different way to rank cards
Engagement!
whats next? GREEN CARDS?
Yes
How do people comment on a whole list ten minutes after a video debuts? The video is an hour! 😂😂😂
Patrons maybe?
50:35 pretty sure the person who draws with peer loses the life
YES I MISSPOKE
Inalla would not play DSwat.
You didn’t compare Final Fortune to Timewalk? They’re both 2 mana extra turns!! Smh yall are off your game
(Completely kidding this podcast was great. The day trading analogy had me ROLLING)
The best red card is tIME wALK
You guys are sleeping on return the favor
Print Cephalid Spirit already Wizards you cowards!! *shakes fist at sky *
Even if you are not playing red you should be playing dockside 👀🫠