6.5 Creedmoor - 129gr Nosler Accubond Long Range
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- Опубликовано: 1 фев 2018
- Testing the 129gr Nosler Accubond Long Range with Alliant Reloder 17 and Winchester 760.
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I just received savage axis 6.5 creedmoor. I have ran 3 different brands of ammo through it. I can’t get patterns from it. It also has accu trigger. I’m just not sure how to troubleshoot it. Any ideas would be much appreciated!
If I may say something. Myself and several of my friends have notice that shooting with magneto speed throws the point of impact off. It messes up the barrel harmonics. That why when I shoot for groups I shoot through the Chronograph. When test velocity, I use the magneto speed. I also shoot a 6.5 CM. Favor load: Lapua Brass small primer, CCI 450 primer, 40.1gr of Reloader 17, topped with 140gr Hornady HPBT. Muzzel Vel 2810fps. I have bullet seated about 0.010" of the the lands. Make one tacking driving load. I Like your Creedmoor series. Keep it up.
still coming back to watch the videos over and over haha, keep up the good work and great content !
I enjoy your in-depth vids! Learned a lot from them. Keep ‘em coming. 👍
Great video, Johnny and I'm enjoying the series. I for one like the longer videos with more detail. Just bought my first Hornady die set to start loading .270 Win, so the tutorial on setting up the sizing die was great. I'm looking forward to the gel test. Keep up the good work, brother!
Great video man, I do like seeing some in depth stuff every few videos. Always a great chance to see how others do and possibly learn something. I laughed at the accubond short range comment
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Your format, production and Analysis is awesome thank you for the information and keep up the good work. And by the way I think you're gel test videos have a lot of value also keep that format alive. Do you comoile your data anywhere besides video format?
Long story short, I've done more testing. IMHO everyone gets all wadded up over these heavy bullets, they only help you at extended ranges. For hunting loads in the 6.5Cm I stick between 123gr Hornady SST's and 129gr Interlocks out to 300 yards in my Savage 12FV with a heavy 26" barrel. I've had my best luck with Winchester 748 and StaBall 6.5 using those bullets producing top velocity's and shooting as small as 3/8", 5 shot groups at 100 yards. IMR 4350 is also a top performer in my loadings. Do you need that kind of performance in a hunting load ? NO, 1 moa or slightly over is great (20 years ago people spent thousands for hunting rifles that would do that) but it's nice to know you can pull off a high shoulder shot at 250 to drop your target DRT. I'm working with my sons original Savage Axis 308 right now, standard 22" barrel and just a M*Carbo trigger kit ($25) to smooth things up. It's shooting slightly moa right now with Nosler 150gr BT's and big charges of Reloader 15 for just over 2900fps, the rifle just loves that combo. It's often a process to find the right load that works like that in a particular hunting rifle but in the end it's worth it and fun getting there.
Johnny Great video as always. I just watch this to see if there was any different info on the ABLR out there. I loaded these a few years back for my Savavge Creedmoor. It loved 43grns R17 until the weather got to hot. I also had trouble getting good groups at 100 yards, after talking with my local reloading Guru he mentioned that they are Long Range bullets and l would see better results at 200 plus than 200 in. He was overall correct as the 200 groups were as good or better than 100 groups were.. Might be something to look at. Also wonder if the Mag crono might have a slight affect, but you have been using it for awhile..
Just some thoughts, keep up the Awesome job...
I look forward to the gel tests!
Awesome video!
I just bought a 6.5 creedmoor and will reload myself as well. I normally load with a 50 thou jump. I use quickload for internal balistics calcs and did my .243, .308 and .338 lapua load development. The lapua I had down to 0.19moa at 700yards.
I have had great luck with 130 Grain Nosler Accubond (white tip) over 55.5 grains of 4831SC in my 270 wins. I have only shot 2 deer with it but they dropped like a rock. One was 325y the other was 375y. They have worked great in my limited experience. I get nice tight groups out of them as well. Fairly consistently shooting 5 shots into .75-.85” at 100y. I have an old Sako AIII that will shoot this load .65” if I do my job.
Good vid Jrb, your compass has proven time and time again to be a very good shooter, Nosler bullets are just too inconsistent across the board. I have gotten some of the custom competition Nosler bullets to shoot good, but overall they just don’t compete with Sierra in the accuracy department. With that said anytime I’m hunting if I can get a Nosler partition to shoot at all thats usually what I am loading, as the Nosler partitions when it comes to terminal performance in game it performs excellent.
I certainly don’t have the amount of rounds through my 6.5 compass that you do, so I can’t say for certain, but I believe you’re onto something with the suppressor causing that flyer, and probably from the chamber chiller. While I get my share of a bad group every now and then or an occasional flyer, overall I don’t really see this issue in my 6.5 Compass. I would love to see you do more load work ups without the suppressor. RL17 and the 143 ELDX has been a good combo for mine. But I haven’t tested to many hunting bullets through mine, right now I’m working on the 140 and 142 grain Sierra match King‘s with RL17 and H4350.
Any chance of switching to large primer 6.5 Creedmore brass once you wear out this batch of star line?
Keep up the great work GRB.
I think I will switch to the large primers for the next batch of brass. I feel like I've characterized the small primer performance pretty well at this point, so I might as well switch over and try to do the same with large.
I will definitely be doing some work without the suppressor, but suppressed shooting will be more common. I do have several neighbors. Imagine living next to a guy who had a shooting youtube channel and was out there shooting almost every day. I know it would drive me nuts eventually! So, shooting suppressed makes me feel like a less annoying neighbor than I would otherwise be.
Suppressors tend to make the bullets wander some, it effects the pressures as the bullet leaves the barrel and travel through the suppressor. The other issues with suppressors is it changes the frequency of the barrel, so your barrel vibration changes.
I was having trouble with the 142 ABLR in my Browning 6.5 Creedmoor, and I was set on using the ABLR I had tried the 5-15 thousandths off the lands that I shoot for the ELD-X, and the OAL that Nosler has in the book. I do all of my load development at 200 Yards and I never got better than ~1.3 MOA, so I did a lot of looking on the internet, and in the FAQ on Noslers website they say seat the ABLR ~50 thousandths off of the lands for best accuracy. so I loaded 3 lengths 60 thousandths, 55, 50 thousands off the lands with varying weights of H100v and I got 0.56 MOA at 200 with 55 thousandths off the lands and 2612 FPS with 38.5 grains , 0.89 MOA with 60 thousandths, and .92 with 50 thousandths. Now i just need to try different powders to see if I can get higher velocities.
I might give it another shot and try going longer. I think I can squeeze another .050" longer and still have sufficient seating depth.
Shawn Swanson ~thats awesome that you researched and found that out, others would have moved on. I just got my .260 barrel for my savage on and am researching loads. Thanks for the info🇺🇸.
For 129 grain and 130 grain I use Reloader 15. It is the Cat's Meow for 3/4 inch or better at 100 yards. My Savage 12FV will give half MOA from a lead sled with it. 3/4 inch if I am using the bipod, and a sandbag in normal windy conditions. If the wind settles then I get half inch or better.
Have friends with Howa rifles, also 1 in 8 twist, that does not like the 130 grain bullets, no issues with the 140s. The 168 grain Accubond LR bullets work very well in my 308.
To bad for the groups but great video today. Really enjoyed it.
Check the velocity- groups tightened when you broke 2800 with either powder. To stabilize a projectile, what is important is "rate of twist" not so much "twist rate". I had to sit under a bodhi tree many days to figure that one out... not easy to find in Kentucky
Hi Johnny, when I’m developing loads I make sure there is no extra pressure on my barrel, instead of trying to kill two birds with one stone you might try to shoot first then chronograph as a magneto speed add out of balance weight to the barrel, and with each shot it moves a bit, that may be the group problem.
you ever thought about upgrading the stock? i see a lot of flexing going on. but never the less another great video.
Johnny I'd like to see you try some 140 Nosler BT they shoot very well in my 6.5 Creedmoor,40.8gn of RL-17 91/2 Remington primers. Awesome performance !
Good vid! I like the part about the sizing comparator. Would it be possible to load up 5 rounds of your best recipe with this rifle to shoot along with what ever you are testing for the day? Almost like a control group to insure weird groups like these arent the gun just having a bad day? I have started shooting a 5 round group in the beginning of my range trip and again another 5 round group at the end of whatever I'm testing for the day. It has taught me a lot about what condition my rifle likes, warmed up and slightly dirty. Thanks for another good video!
That's not a bad idea. I might just keep some good shooting sighters loaded up all the time. When I have a video like this where the groups are sucking, I can pull out some of them at the end to prove the gun.
Maybe I'll use the brass I have from the factory ammo and load up these type of "sanity check" rounds.
Good Video,,Maybe have a batch of the best shooting rounds already set up and shoot along with Nosler to compare side by side. comparing an known to an unknown . Would have liked to have seen how the Match King preformed today with temp , humidity, wind, and also the OCL. Hopefully I can get the same accuracy with my Thompson centerfire, keep the faith brother 21 k subscribed wahoo!!
@JRB I picked up some 190grain ABLR's to shoot our of my weatherby mark V 30-06 which will print 0.6 MOA 5 shoot groups with the 165 Nosler ballistic tips and accubonds. The 190 ABLR I could not get to group better than 1.75 MOA. VERY DISAPPOINTING! I've heard similar stories about margin accuracy from others shooting these bullets. Good thing they were'nt expensive, oh wait....
Those #41s missfire on me once in a while too. In fact the only ones I've ever had were with #41s. But they are a great primer.
I had this happen when I had a chronograph on the barrel anything you have on the barrel will change the “tune” of the barrel
I have had 2 miss fires with my compass. 308 with fed match primers, varget and Hornady 168 bthp.
Primer was struck but no ignition
I've torn apart my bolt and cleaned it once. Maybe it's time to do it again. However, that strike looked pretty good to me. Definitely a strange failure!
My Remington 700 5R Gen 2 shoots these sub 1/2 min with the 129 ABLR. With 44 grains RL17 at 2950fps.
I've never messed with the Accubond LR before but before I stated reloading all I shot was factory Nosler 140gr Accubonds in my Thompson Center Venture 6.5 Creedmoor and 270WSM. That ammo shot 1 hole groups in both guns then I bought a Howa 1500 in 6.5 Creedmoor and shot up the rest of those 140gr Accubonds with the exact same results. From the things I've read the LR has a higher BC then the regular Accubonds so I figured this bullet was going to be outstanding but now I know to stay away from these they seem to be kind of finicky.
Johnny I know this is five years old, but 129 gr
Accubond LR
RL15
Min 35.0
Mid 37.0
Max 39.0
2.825 oacl
Primers Fed 210 large primers
That cratering on the primers is a bolt machining issue. The edge of the primers are not flat.
I have a rifle with a similar issue. Pretty much any loads will have that "cratering".
The performance of that lot of bullets was definitely disappointing. I have a box of 6.5 mm AB (not ABLR) that I have yet to shoot in my R700, .260 Rem. I need to get off my backside and try them out. I got a test batch of .257 AB and was very pleased with them in my R760 pump. I also shot some 100 and 110 gr ABs in a .270 and they made me smile. As always, not every gun likes the same bullets nor the same load with the same bullet. It's the "thrill" of the hunt for accuracy, I guess.
Do you anneal your cases after so many firings? Or have you not seen the need? Thanks for great info as usual!
Greetings Johnny!
Hawk here.
So...I seated some bullets, on the 6.5 Creedmoor, this morning and noticed an O.A.L. deviation.
I got to thinkin' about Flyers. that one shot, outside of the tight group.
I was wondering if it was the bullets....NO.
Maybe different brass....NO.
Maybe you already discovered this....... I pulled the seating depth knob, on the LEE bullet seater.
To eliminate the plunger variation, I inserted a small ball bearing, into the hole and reinstalled the plunger.
I got (1) out of 5 that read short..... the other 4 measured same OAL.
Was the short one, that flyer? Could be.
I grabbed another case, and seated another bullet.
Now I have 5, with the same OAL.
I'll test and get back to you.
It's a sickness!
Powder was trickled measured into each case.
Bullets were NOT weighed, before seating.
All cases are the same.
Vanity and chasing after the wind!
Lol!
4895 37 g 120 g SMK Spitzer.
Hawk.
Good vid brother. You should shoot those same bullets and charge weights at a shorter seating depth. Also shoot them without the suppressor. Those bullets do look good would be nice to see them group up a little better. Especially with those sd’s being pretty good.
I agree, id like to see the same loads shot without the suppressor
I would have put that misfired round back in the chamber and pulled the trigger again, I would guess it wasnt seated all the way. Since the day Ive started watching your videos I have never bought a Nosler product! I think you have the Nosler Jinx :)
I almost tried firing it again but I wanted to tear it apart and see what happened. I figured the primer had gone off like our previous misfires. Big surprise!
I don't want to be known as the Nosler hater, but I guess I can't help it. I can't fake results! I also have the 140 RDF on hand that I'll be testing soon. I also have a BUNCH of Nosler bullets that I bought for the 22 Nosler series and never used. I'll be shooting those in Valkyrie or .223 Remington eventually. Hopefully I'll find some good shooting Noslers eventually! The 77gr .224 CC wasn't bad in the Mk 262 series.
I personally would like to see this group re-shot without the silencer, the chamber chiller is a good idea don't change that, if at all possible secure the rifle in a lead sled and take out as much "human error" as possible, and no im not saying u are messing up
First, thank you! This is THE bullet that I have chosen for my 6.5. But I’m getting VERY different results! But to be fair my gun is very different, I’m running a AR -10 with 20 inch Christensen carbon fiber barrel. The barrel alone cost 3x more than your whole gun! I shoot 3 shot groups, most have been sub 1/2 MOA with this bullet using 5 different powders! I’m using LR primer brass and I get flat primers regardless of my load. I’m going to have to play with my adjustable gas block to try to alleviate some of the obvious over gassing. Clearly too much pressure.
Gene Itzkowitz if you are getting flat primers, adjusting the gas block isn't going to make them go away, the gas block only adjusts gas pressure to the gas key on the carrier, it doesn't lower chamber pressure. You need to lower your loads.
I know your right but that was the suggestion of JP Enterprises. I'm running one of their high pressure bolts and they told me my problem is that my barrel is a mid length gas system. They can't believe that Christensen makes them that way. I don't think I can convert it to a rifle length which is what they told me I should be running. I'm thinking of calling Christensen and talking to them. The sad thing is that so far I've run 3 different bullets through the gun and all of them shoot sub MOA. If I load it down it probably won't run Grendel velocities and that's would make the rifle pointless! I had a Grendel, it's too slow.
A lot of the 6.5 Creedmoor barrels have a +2" gas port. That means it's 2" longer than a rifle length gas port. It's my understanding that they do the +2" for the Creedmoor because it's a higher pressure cartridge over the 308. I've got a 22" JP barrel and it's a +2". I'm running their high pressure bolt and adjustable gas block as well and I don't have any problems with flat primers.
Gene Itzkowitz - what primers did you use? I use CCI #200 and S&B LR primers in 6.5 and .308 and they are all very flat, even if the loads are very soft. My problem here is, that when using hotter loads, the only other pressure sign sort of thing I experienced were ejector circles. Visible only with magnification glasses - no shiny smears - nothing. I really do not know how far i can push my loads now
Chris P I’m running CCI 200s and Fed 210 M. Also shooting Hornady whitetail 129s. Everything is flat to really flat but the primers are not flowing past the pocket edge.
I tried the ABLR in another gun and this may be the last box I ever buy. I've tried to get them to shoot in a 6.5X284 Norma but no luck. Now I'm trying in my 6.5 creed. I heard people say they can get them to shoot but I've never seen it done. As for the construction of the bullets its a marvel in its own but they also need to be able to shoot long range and be accurate and it leaves me guessing what the hell why or how to get them to shoot good.. I only wish I could get 1/2 MOA out of them. If so then It would be my bullet of choice hands down. I'm trying the 142 ABLR.
I shoot the 142gr Accubond Long Range I didn’t have the disappointment that you are showing. But my rifle has a heavier barrel than yours and i also use a suppressor. My 5 shoot group at 100 yrd with my Bergara HMR 14 with a 2lbs trigger was 3/8” . I used H4350 with 2715fps and Hornady brass.
Is your barrel free floated if not free floating it will most likely get rid of that first round flier. If its free floated check the gap between barrel and stock, if the stock is even slightly touching the barrel it will throw off the first shot. After the first shot the barrel will slightly expand and push against the stock causing the rest of the bullets to hit off center.
Looks like your primer that did not fire has a small amount of cratering. That means the cratering is from the firing pin strike and not any kind of pressure effect.
First shot remedy recommendation... fire six shots and throw out the first shot or shoot at off target on camera to get heat/gas in barrel and suppressor. Then count your next five shots for your stats on normal target. This seems to be a concern for your AR sets as well having watched the majority of your other vids. Look forward to your next video. Cheers!
Clint Henker That kinda diffeats the purpose, No? When hunting you don't usually get a first shot Mulligan.
For hunting out to 150-175 yards these first shots would be acceptable as a hit. Just about anything past that range has a potential to be a first shot mulligan. The purpose of my recommendation is/was to help or start brainstorming with quality control of the load accuracy testing. The majority of the time four out of the five shots are grouping as anticipated unless it's just a bad setup combination all together. There is something amiss in the process that is causing the first round to go stray. I haven't seen anything like this first shot consistency unless it is an equipment issue or shooter and Johnny is a pretty good shot. Everyone's reloading process is a little different. For me, I weight each bullet to group them and the overall round length would be no greater than a .001" from the ogive for better consistency. To answer your question... no, it wouldn't "defeat" the purpose for load accuracy testing. Yes, there are no first shot mulligans in hunting or competition. In this scenario as long as you are shooting up to 150-175 yards you are good to go. Anything past that range will have a high potential of first shot mulligan regardless.
I've had good luck with the regular Accubond, but the ABLR has been kind of picky for me. It hasn't been easy to find a good load for them.
Had the same problem with the 129g Nosler Accubond LR in the tikka 260 rem. Just could not get them to group. ELD-X appears to work much better.
Oryx Pit shooting a tikka 260 here as well. What has your best loads been. I’ve found 42 gr of h4350 and the eldx set .010 off the lands has been good but not great same as velocity around 2680. 45 gr of h4350 was also great but was getting loose primer pockets but velocities were around 2800. The 130 gr game changer from Sierra were money as well but wasn’t too fond of having to shoot lighter bullets. Maybe I will try a Hornady 130 match next. As for powers I also tried h4831ssc, great groups at 46gr but pressure signs and 2600 FPS velocities :/
Oryx Pit also have tried Berger 140s with a tikka m+ mag but couldn’t get them closer than .067 off the lands. 44gr shot the best but also nothing to keep in the load data. I cut that one off just cuz I wasn’t happy with consistency
Just ordered Savage 10 GRS in 6.5. New to your channel. Is that a magnetospeed and which model?
I'm kicking a trend with the accubond. I'm having not very good luck with them in my 300 win mag and rl23 guess I'm going to have to try some 7828 or 4831 or something idk but not very impressed yet nothing under a inch for sure not really even around the inch mark yet but maybe in time I'll find the mark. Think I might just stick with Sierra and call it a day lol
Is most hot load first shoot cold velocity matched with lesser charge one buy a hot shoot same pressure not in a extreme wipe or before wipe ones. Matching pressures a cold more powder with a hot barrel less powder hitting same place John?
Have you tried using the competition shellholder set so you can adjust sizing while maintaining cam over?
I've been watching alot of your videos, I know you can shoot. There are alot of variables when it comes to "group size." I have few questions... did you clean your barrel before this test? Because these groups are garbage compared to your typical groups, and 2) artificially chilling the chamber and barrel + current weather conditions could produce erratic behavior. 3) You changed your COAL for this test. I'm not a nosler guy myself but, changing your coal before this test may or may not have affected group performance. With all that being said. I think you should do a video of "All stars." Take the best groups of your best loads and run them under the most controlled of circumstances and see where they land. I love the in-depth nature of your channel and it has made me rethink a few things in my 338 pursuit. Keep up the good work.
Hi johnny have you tried the hornady 129gr sst with reloader 17 at all interested in your thoughts cheers
I think you got a bad lot because I use that bullet in the Grendel and the creedmoor and get 10 shot ragged hole groups. It’s by far my favorite bullet.
I actually tried 2 lots in my Grendel! I would have to go back and double check the videos, but they were very obviously different. The tip color was slightly different and the bullet base to ogive measurement was way more than I expected. So, if the two lots I've shot are any indication, there are definitely some differences out there. Maybe you got the golden lot!
Brian Holcomb I agree. I shoot nothing but the 129 gr ABLR in my grendel all the way out to a little past 1,000 yards. I load with 8208 XBR though.
The 140 gr Nosler BTs have shot well for me in my 6.5...I have several loads ready to test now, just got to get out and shoot.
I shoot tiny little groups with .264, .284 and .308 accubonds out of 6.5x55, 7-08, and 30-06. But I use the standard accubond, none of this LR shenanigans
Have question. The bullet seating stem's for Hornady dies do they come in a kit of any kind or do you have to buy individually. Just bought 243 Win American die kit.
Maybe the air inside the barrel is messing up the first shot? I’m sure there’s little left in the barrel and suppressor.
Great video. Not an expert but I just can't get behind Nosler.
Remove the primer first before you measure your case. The primer moves as the round fires, so measure it after the primer is removed, my two cents worth of info, aim small, good hunting.
I got a lower for Creedmoor some day buy barrel why I seeking the twist rate factors.
Johnny.......have you ever done anything with the 260 ?
@JRB .. When you wet tumble the Lanolin off in your wet tumbler.. Do you use the SS pins? Also, are you using the dish soap only or are you also adding the Lemishine also? I'm just having issues wet tumbling the Lanolin lube off. It gets real gummy and the brass looks like crap. Also, what's your ratio on the lube to IsoHeet Thanks bro .. Keep up the great work
Yes, I use the SS pins. I use the hottest tap water I can get. I use a couple big squirts of dish soap since my water is extremely hard. I do use lemishine, and the amount depends on how long I am tumbling. For a 30 minute tumble, I might use 2 teaspoons. For 1-2 hours I'll use about a teaspoon. And if I am going for 3 hours I use like a half teaspoon.
I have never had any problems with removing the lanolin. It seems to come right off! Maybe the hot water helps?
My lanolin mixture is probably about 5-7% lanolin and the rest IsoHeet. I started at about 10% but my sprayer kept clogging really bad so I added more alcohol.
On thing...I accidentally bought the solid lanolin instead of the liquid. So, I had to heat up my lanolin to get it to mix properly. It does separate a little over time but a few shakes of the bottle gets it mixed up again. I've been meaning to get some liquid lanolin and make a new mix but haven't gotten around to it since this stuff works so well.
Thanks Brother.. Appreciate the info
Do u ever check run-out. I think run-out has some to do with it.
Small rifle primers sound like giving you fits. Why not just load large primers? 120 gr bullets h4350 seems to work good for a few of my buddies. For 140+ mine has been h100v or imr4451..you gonna try these??
I'm a prairie dog ,varmint Hunter accuracy is everything. so. if the Nosler can't do it .it's not worth anything. I hunt deer also
Thanks for the video? Did you say you’d shot those cases 6 times without resizing? So for the first 6times did you simply punch the primer out, re-prime, fill with powder and then seat a bullet - all without ever using the resizing die?
That is not at all what he said. He said he hasn't trimmed them.
Do you think all that weight hanging on the end of your barrel is messing with your barrel harmonics. My T3 Lite 308 will shoot half min at 100 yds with the Nosler 150 Partition. I put a button of bedding half way up the forearm with about 10 pounds of upward pressure. That dialed it right in, It is the Stainless model.
I really need to try some 143 ELDX bullets. I was hoping to find some factory ammo on sale to test, but it's always expensive or out of stock.
Same here. I was going to buy some of the premium Hornady ammo but I haven't pulled out the wallet yet. It seems like a great bullet! I'm looking forward to seeing how it performs in gel.
I have had 0 luck with the 143 precision hunter. Bad groups and poor SD. Good luck though.
That was my immediate concern. There wouldn't be much of a point of match ammo if you could get the same accuracy and long range capabilities out of a hunting round.
Have you done a load work up nosler 129gr accubond long range and h4350 powder
Looks like that bullet is a lemon in the compass, or just a plane lemon!
Accuracy is everything to a shooter man ,wake up
I can not get this bullet to shoot, slings them everywhere. The best group my cheapo remington sps will shoot is 130 eld match at .75. Rifle has a long throat and a short magazine so i load everything at 2.800. This will just feed reliably. Guess instead of moving closer to lands im gonna try backing up .05 at a time and see if this helps. So far all i can say about the accubond is ive wasted 60 hucks on these high priced bullets
Do you think that the issue of the bullets stringing left might be an issue of barrel harmonics? Idk what to think I have the 30-06 model and it does something similar but only rarely.
I don't know. The last video we shot nothing but good groups! I'm still trying to figure these things out.
Did u change ur decapping pin for small flash holes
Does this guy ever shoot groups under an inch
How do you like your Redding Turret Press
What's that device on the chamber ? A fan?
Nosler Accubond has been a bit of a mystery for me. I can get good results on the bench but, while hunting the results have been great or horrible. A few times, which is way too many, the Accubond has blown up on the hide of deer and elk. These are not super hot loads and well within the load data published by Nosler. I have come to the conclusion that it must be inconsistent bullet construction. I have been using Nosler, Partitions and Accubonds, exclusively for over a decade, but after the complete failure on this years hunt I am looking for a new hunting bullet.
Gotta give a little to gain a little
Johnny, your opinion on the 6.5 PRC?
I don't really have an opinion. Since I've already chosen the 6.5 Creedmoor route, the PRC seems redundant. It's not worth starting over with something new just to get 200fps. If I was a competitor and that 200 fps could make all the difference, I would certainly be looking at it. It seems like the PRC trend is going more toward 6mm cartridges rather than better performing 6.5's. I don't follow things closely, but that's what I see from my limited observations.
Shoot the same loads and same bullets without the suppressor next video imo
where did you get that chamber cooler?
I see some say they get good shoots some bad but no one is saying twist rates.
147 eld match and RL16 PRETTY PLEASE!!
I just checked yet another store for RL16 today and came up empty. It is scarce in my area! I will order some soon because I really want to try it. As for the 147 ELD, you have to wait your turn. We need to get through some more of these hunting bullets. Once we do, the focus will shift over to all the match bullets I have on hand, including the 147. I can't wait to see how they do!
Johnny's Reloading Bench thanks for reply, in honor of all the awesome work you do, I'll buy you a pound and have it shipped to you if that is something you would like to do? I just ordered in 8lbs so far I'm seeing zero pressure with the 147's rl16 Peterson srp brass and cci450's had i not shot my own chrony I would have better data lol
check your scope mount?
So, just two thoughts. I have read about plastic bullet tips that can deform due to heat. Secondly, your hanging a lot of crap off the end of that skinny barrel, what do you think it does to the harmonics of the barrel? Thanks, you're giving a college education here.
oceannavagator Probably helps in this case, at least the silencer. I understand your line of thinking however it appears that many guns have shot better with silencer attached. I'd be interested in seeing an accuracy comparison with and without the can.
Lance, if we are going to go through the effort of making sure that the stock doesn't restrict the barrel's harmonics, doesn't it follow that adding weight to the end of it would also change it's movement? In the case of a thin section, even the weight of the can would tension the tube downwards. In guns that shoot better with a silencer, would that also be because of the dampening of the shooter's movement? Or would that extra weight in conjunction with a heavy barrel add to it's stability? Just being curious.
oceannavagator I don’t have any real world experience with suppressors. I have seen multiple reviews when accuracy tests have shown improved groups with suppressors attached. I’m speaking of group size not point of impact. As I do think it’s common for the point of impact to change with a can installed. Perhaps accuracy gains may have something to do with the suppressor bleeding the escaping gasses over a longer period lessening the impact on the projectile? Just a guess.
i shoot this 129 LRAB, tiny groups. First, seat the bullets to .005 off the lands. Second, take the Magneto Speed off the barrel to shoot groups, use it to check velocity.
When you gonna try some 140 sierra gamekings?
I gotta buy some first. I mentioned them in the last video. They're on the list. I need to watch my budget these days!
I've got some, Could ship. Would 20-25 do? How to ship 140 SGK 6.5 ? Another great video thanks Johnny. P.S. A bendy straw or chiller. Clear the barrel 1 second literally. With the throat wear it's probably to late for the 95 vmax. To much jump to the rifle land. A canyon for the baby 95 grain lol
People ask. Where do you get your load data from. I tell them I know a guy. He don’t know me but I know him. I don’t even talk to him. I push the right buttons. He tells me. Lol😂.
Noslers stock 6.5 creedmoor 129 gr ABLR give me 2770 fps in my 24”tikka box says 2850 accuracy is there though, just anemic speed wise! Definitely not worth 75.00 a box
Is I think it's time to sell that gun
something isnt right here, either something is loose or your bullets arent at the right depth. Should try a different seating depth I bet it will get much better.
Maybe the firing pin needs to be cleaned
Yup, I will tear it down and clean it before the next video. I've done it twice since I've had the gun so it shouldn't be too bad, but it's worth the time. The strike looked pretty good!
Have you ever seasoned your powder before loading into a case?
Seasoning means leaving the powder in a open to air pan for 24 hours until it stops fuming.
I usually season my powder, and it seems that I get better Extreme Spread and Standard Deviation figures. I only season the amount of powder I am going to use that session so the rest has little chance to pick up moisture. You need a dry enviorment of about 25% humidity.
I may have missed it somewhere, but what scope on this rifle?
Blackedout Grendel i think it's a vortex viper hs 4-16x44
Yup, cedric has it right. Thanks!
I was sleeping not fair
From what I can tell from experience and Nosler's data, these super-long bullets prefer high velocities and faster twist rates, even in moderate bullet weights. Nosler requires a 1:10 twist for their own Trophy Grade 168gr .308 AB-LR load running at 2,750fps. Both of these are faster than normal for a 168gr load. I have a Compass in .308 and my initial results were similar to yours.
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Those bullets need to be sorted. I had the same results with them. Inconsistent base to ogives
i do not like ww760 and nosler bullets . i like r17 and sierra and honady bullets in my 6.5 creedmoor rifle
I think it was a fluke or you didn't get the primer set. You were in a hurry