What if the Brooklyn Dodgers never left Brooklyn?
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The Dodgers were always New York’s most popular team and financially wealthiest team.
Not the Yankees?
The Mets were a consolation prize to the Dodger and Giants fans. Giant orange and Dodger blue became the colors of the Second iteration of the New York Metropolitans
Paid off since the Mets won the WS only seven years into their existence
Got Nolan Ryan and Tom Seaver neither stuck with the Mets long enough to pitch a no-hitter
I would’ve been a dodgers fan instead of the Mets
Met are a bad organization all that money in New York City. Bad owners
It would be interesting to have 3 teams in New York
If the Dodgers didn't leave. There wouldn't be a Mets
Frank Varela mysterious team
@@frankvarela8520 rember the Mets parents are the Dodgers and giants.there colors are for the state of New York flag and the dodgers and giants for them being the origional teams here. I am a yankees fan
Bring back a Brooklyn team. The Brooklyn Bombers
I think he means if the Giants also stayed. Though unfortunately the Yankees , Dodgers and Giants never played on the same day in new York
Then maybe the Angles wouldn’t be called the LA Angels of Anaheim
Re: hearing games from other cities on the radio.
With AM radio, it is still quite possible to hear stations from 1,000 miles away (or more), but it has to be during the evening or night, and clear skies, as AM broadcasts are more affected by weather (especially lightning) than FM broadcasts.
I became friends with an old fellow who was a "New York Giants" fan. He told me he will never forgive Horace Stoneham for taking his Giants and moving them to San Francisco. He despises the Yankees with a fervor that would put any Red Sox fan to shame.
What about the Dodgers? Did he hate them as much as the Yankees?
The Mets are three teams I think: Brooklyn Blue . Giants cap emblem. And Yankee pinstripes.
I suspect that part of the reason why they chose those colors was not only to honor the Dodgers and Giants, but also because blue, orange and white are the colors of the NYC flag.
My dad was a dodgers fan but swore off baseball when they left. He despised the Mets because they were “the team to replace the dodgers” which was nothing more than a marketing ploy. Later in life he became a Yankees fan because all these years later, they’re the only team that never left, never changed their uniform, stayed true to who they are
Technically, they were also the team to replace the Giants, and they arguably were more of a replacement for them since they were called the New York Mets and have never had a home field in Brooklyn.
@@hotwax9376 The Mets replaced both the Giants and Dodgers. The Mets cap is blue for the Dodgers and the orange interlocking NY honors the Giants. Ebbets Field was gone and the Polo Grounds was scheduled for the wrecking ball with Shea Stadium under construction.
@@hotwax9376 yeah but Brooklyn and queens are on Long Island, Manhattan isnt
@@Stacey_-bf2mb Fair enough, but the Bronx isn't on Long Island either.
@@hotwax9376 exactly, god forbid
I always wondered this question growing up a Yankees fan in Brooklyn 🤔
One possibility no-one mentions: the Pacific Coast League might have succeeded in becoming a third major league before any team from the established leagues moved out there at all, and the entire structure of Major League Baseball might have been very different. (At the time, the PCL was independent of the farm system, and had several players good enough to play in the American and National Leagues, kept in the league in large part because its longer season allowed it to pay salaries just as good as those offered in MLB, if not better. Dario Lodigiani, for example, recounted how, when transferred from the Oakland Oaks to the Philadelphia Athletics, he had to take a pay cut in order to do so.) If this had happened, what else might have happened? Might the Continental League, or some similar enterprise, also have flourished, instead of being strangled at birth by the established leagues' expansion? Instead of 2 Major Leagues of 15 teams, we could now have 4, each of 8. Without expanding in size, would any of the Major Leagues have felt the need to split into divisions? Or would the leagues have remained undivided, with a balanced schedule?
The San Francisco Seals?
Unbelievable thought!! I never knew this.
Great conversation. Thank you.
If the Dodgers stayed in NY, the Giants still move west, but to Mpls. Now you have the Senators move to LA with the American League setting up an expansion franchise in the Bay Area.
Nah. Not still move west, but to Mpls. /
@@jordanjohnson9866 There probably would have been a team in DC, they were building then "DC Stadium" at the time but Calvin Griffith hated the fact it was in Northeast DC. It later became RFK Stadium after he was assassinated while running for President.
I grew up in Brooklyn.
I’m a diehard Yankee fan.
I wonder if I’d have grown up a Brooklyn Dodger fan if they stayed!
Vijay Nair i’m a phillies fan i probably would of liked brooklyn
You could get Giants games from San Francisco on WINS where they were recreated by Les Keiter. My dad used to turn on the TV to watch the Yankees but had the radio on to listen to the Giants.
Chadwick Brought me here. Idk why but rip king
In the early 50s I used to “watch” the Dodgers on the radio with my grandfather. Pop was not a Giant fan. As a Brooklyn fan he definitely was not a fan of the Bronx Bombers. When Brooklyn deserted us, the Mets were a combination team of the Giants and the Dodgers with the colors of both team uniforms. For him the most logical thing to do was to root “against” the Bombers, so he became a Boston fan. For him, and me, baseball died when Brooklyn moved.
what happen to the Brooklyn Brown Dodgers?
@@cinnamonstar808 They folded after two seasons in the 1940s.
Remember New York was a National league town back in the day!!!
In 15 - 25 years, very few people who actually live in New York City will actually care about the game. It's basically on life support in the city today. Also as far as the whole"National League" town - true, that whole thing doesn't exist anymore, but if you do dig up the concrete of NYC - there's National League all over it.
The two choices were 1. The Dodgers got a brand new ballpark, thereby demolishing Ebbets Field or 2. exactly what happened, the Dodgers moved west and Ebbets Field was demolished. Certainly choice 1 is better but it still would’ve resulted in the heartbreaking loss of a truly classic neighborhood ballpark and a great deal of the Dodgers’ identity. Sad state of affairs either way.
When the Dodgers and Giants left NYC, many baseball fans in that era would become fans of another team that had their favorite player in it. My dad became a Detroit Tigers fan because of Al Kaline. There are also quite a few older Cardinals fans I know because of Stan Musial.
What other NL fans in NYC do you know of that became fans of random teams after the Dodgers and Giants left? Full disclosure: I'm a Tigers fan and lifelong Michigander whose favorite NL team (and second favorite team overall) is the Dodgers.
@@hotwax9376 Brooklyn boy here born in '62 .. My family before me were Dodger fans. Because NY was considered a NL league town as they alluded to,, They rooted for the Cardinals ( because of Stan Musial ) Until the Mets came.
Blame NYC "heavy", Robert Moses, who had ALL the power in NYC, who wouldn't let the Dodgers build a new ballpark in Brooklyn. .. Los Angeles made 'em an offer they couldn't refuse.... and the rest is kind of a sad history.
The Phillies' games were on WFIL,easily picked in the NY area on those powerful transistor radios of the 50's.
New York Dodgers fans make their presence known in Citi Field.
Dodger fans made their presence known at Shea Stadium. In the early years of the Mets at both the Polo Grounds and Shea, games against both the Dodgers and Giants were sellouts. I was at a Giants-Mets game at Shea in 1964. The place was sold out. When Willie Mays came up to bat, he got a standing O. Although we were rooting for the Mets, New York revered Willie Mays. Mets actually won that night. That didn't happen too often in 1964.
@@frdjr2527 And Willie Mays actually went to the Mets near the end of his career.
@@hotwax9376 I remember that very well. Willie always wanted to return to NY.
@@frdjr2527 I can't help but wonder sometimes how many Dodgers and Giants fans in NY disowned them when they left but returned once cable and the internet made it easier to follow either team again. I'm first and foremost a Tigers fan but the Dodgers are my primary NL team for several reasons, one of which is the fact that the closest Minor League team where I live is a Dodgers affiliate.
Serious question from a non-NYer: Why didn’t Moses just pitch Shea to Stoneman? Why not just move the Giants from Manhattan to Queens? The Polo Grounds was admittedly FUBAR. Moses wanted a team in Queens because he was building the highway toward Long Island. O’Malley would’ve gotten his state of the art stadium in Brooklyn. It would’ve been a perfect world scenario.
I feel it for Stoneham he believed Queens was Dodger territory and he didn’t believe in the Giants ability to draw in NYC if he wasn’t sharing Yankee Stadium as he previously desired. Also I don’t believe Moses made too many offers to Stoneham because the Giants had fell on hard times after 1954. Stoneham also wanted a stadium on the rail yards in Manhattan on the waterfront but that got nowhere.
Richie Martínez Why was Queens Dodger territory? Because Brooklyn and Queens neighbored each other? Did Stoneham not believe he could draw outside of Uptown?
Trevor Hembrough from what I’ve gathering Northern Queens was geared towards the Yankees while Southern Queens and Long Island was Heavy Dodger territory. While a good Giant team may have made a dent in The Dodger stronghold on Queens it may have taken Stoneham longer than he wanted to establish the Giants in Queens and Long Island. In all honesty I feel Stoneham was very shortsighted and only saw the Giants drawing good and being successful in Manhattan or At Yankee Stadium. Queens May have been able to turn into Giant territory but the Dodgers had cultivated fans in Queens for decades through fans spreading throughout The city.
@@richiemartinez8078 Many Brooklyn Dodger fans moved to Long Island during the 1950s. These folks, like my parents were living a dream they didn't know they had. That generation grew up through the Depression and World War II. The dream didn't include home ownership and a new car. Therein was the problem. The Dodger fan who moved to Nassau County wasn't driving in from the suburbs, preferring to watch on TV or listen on the radio. My family made the move from Brooklyn to Long Island when I was a youngster. My father wouldn't watch baseball after the Dodgers went to LA. He did get me to Ebbets Field in about 1956 or '57, so I did set foot in that shrine. I started following the Mets when they started in '62. My father followed me. The Mets weren't the Dodgers but they weren't the Yankees and they were the National League. Good enough for my father! The proverbial glass half full!
@@richiemartinez8078 The west side rail yards? Yeah just like the Yankees and Jets after them, it went go nowhere.
O'Malley tried to get a new stadium in Brooklyn for years.
Ehhh...but he took a little detour to Milwaukee, Wisconsin...saw all that land and 2 million+ in attendance..and when Chavez Ravine was offered to him, THAT was the end of the Brooklyn Dodgers
@@willdrucker4291 That, and Moses refusing to help him acquire the land where the Barclays Center is now. So the Dodgers were either going to Queens or LA.
I like this segment because Peter holds true to the role he should always have. Pure fucking silence!
Dodgers' yearbooks were sold on newstands here in the East through 1961.
Grew up in the 70's and 80's and my first exposure to baseball was "The Boys of Summer. After reading it I was a Dodger fan and started Little League in 77' and thought I was Davey Lopes lol. The recent documentary on the rivalry in the 70's took me way back but my fondness for Dodger blue started with the teams from the 40's and 50's. I would to see a team in Brooklyn again!.
Interesting how you became a Dodgers fan after the team moved west. Like you, I grew up after the they folded in Brooklyn (I was born in the 90s), but until I was nearly ten I thought they were still there because I heard way more about the Brooklyn Dodgers than the Los Angeles Dodgers (even though I've never even set foot in NYC to date). I also hope Brooklyn gets another MLB team soon, but the biggest obstacle right now would be the Yankees' and Mets' territorial rights. I still think they could get something done, but until then, the current setup (a Brooklyn Minor League team affiliated with the Mets and the Mets' home field being modelled after Ebbets Field) will have to do.
@@hotwax9376 The only way I see Brooklyn getting a MLB team nowadays is if MLB adds a third league to go along with the American League and the National League. But that's never going to happen.
@@danielfoster3642 You very well may be right; I just don't know.
If the Dodgers got the ballpark they wanted, the whole MLB landscape would be totally different. The Dodgers would stay at Ebbets Field for two more years until the new Ebbets Field opens in 1960. Robert Moses would have likely asked the New York Giants to come to his proposed stadium in Flushing, resulting in the Giants staying in the Polo Grounds for six more years. Shea Stadium still gets built, but the Mets never form because there are still two National League teams in New York City. The Giants move to Shea for the 1964 season. LA has to wait four years until they get the Los Angeles Angels as an expansion team in 1961, but in the National League instead of the American League. San Francisco probably gets the Cincinnati Reds after the 1959 season, and the team is renamed the San Francisco Gold Rushers, named after the Gold Rush that gave California statehood. Cincinnati goes without a baseball team for two years when they, along with Houston, are awarded an expansion franchise and become the new expansion Cincinnati Reds team. Dodger Stadium becomes Angel Stadium because the Dodgers never moved to Los Angeles, and the Angels never move to Anaheim in 1966. The American League gets a expansion team in Atlanta in 1964 that is named the Atlanta Peaches in order to fill the void of the Angels going to the National League. Because of this, the Milwaukee Braves never move to Atlanta and stay in Milwaukee for the 1966 season and beyond. The Kansas City A's still move to Oakland after the 1967 season. The Seattle Pilots stay in Seattle for the 1970 season, and remain there for the forseeable future. When the American League expands again in 1977, Washington DC is awarded a franchise to go along with the Toronto Blue Jays, and become the third Washington Senators team. When the Montreal Expos were looking to leave Montreal in the early 2000s, they end up moving to Las Vegas, and become the Las Vegas Gamblers. The A's probably don't have their troubles looking for a replacement stadium. As for the New York teams, they still have their real life successes and down years that they had. The Giants would move to Citi Field in 2009, while the Dodgers would build a ballpark near Coney Island for the 2010 season, as the new Ebbets Field gets demolished to make room for the Barclays Center.
You just blew my doors off with this sir!!!!
Why would the Reds have moved west?
@@hotwax9376 Well, that's a good question. If MLB had wanted to expand out to the West Coast, and the Dodgers and Giants ended up staying in New York City because they were able to get new stadiums built, MLB would have had to find another team to relocate to somewhere out on the West Coast. They wouldn't have had to just rely on expanding the number of teams, which is what the City of Los Angeles got in my theory with the National League's Angels. At the time, the Cincinnati Reds were playing at Crosley Field, which by 1958 had started to become worn out. Most people don't know this, but up until the City of Cincinnati approved plans for the cookie cutter multipurpose stadium that would become known as Riverfront Stadium, the Reds had offers from multiple cities to relocate the team from Cincy. There was even an offer to move the Reds to New York City after the Giants and the Dodgers had moved out to California. But Reds owner Paul Crosley turned down the offer. At the time, the Dodgers and the Giants were the top teams to relocate to California, but the Reds were right there in the mix. So in my theory, if the Dodgers and Giants stayed in NYC, the City of San Francisco and MLB wanted to have an existing team come over to SF, and so the Cincinnati Reds took the opportunity, and moved out to San Francisco. When the team got there, I'm sure the city wanted the team to have a new identity, so the team changed their name to the San Francisco Gold Rushers, after the California Gold Rush that took place in the 1840s-50s.
1958: Dodgers stay in Brooklyn. Giants move to Minneapolis.
1959: Continental League announces intent to launch in Denver, Houston, New York and Toronto, with four cities to be announced.
1961: Senators move to Los Angeles. A.L. expands to Washington and Dallas.
1962: N.L. expands to Houston and Toronto.
I think LA would’ve got an NL team too if the Senators moved to LA considering the LA Angels started in 61. Of course, maybe the Senators could’ve moved to the NL and the Angels’ expansion played out the way it did.
There's a good chance the Dodgers still would've left Brooklyn some time in the 60s or 70s because of rising crime rates both in the borough and the rest of NYC.
As a Northern California resident I find this situation relatable.
I’ve never liked the Giants or found their fanbase identifiable at all, and the A’s losing on purpose to justify their move by pushing it’s fanbase away didn’t change how I feel.
It actually made me see choosing team loyalty based off of proximity as setting myself up to easily be taken advantage of.
I ended up figuring out which team to support based off the organization itself and it’s fanbase, with the requirement being that the thought of being a lone away fan at AT&T had to seem appealing.
I now see home games as a mental escape to a different city, and it’s very relaxing
Same with living in NorCal
I’m a Dodger fan in NorCal and it seems not many people take watching baseball (or just baseball in general) serious. I recently went to LA for a Dodger game and there were 47k (90% seats filled) on a Tuesday night. Neither Oracle or the Oakland coliseum can fill that percentage, even on weekends
@@eli827bb I blame John Fisher for Oakland Coliseum not being filled though. I once went to a Giants game out of curiosity and the energy level just wasn’t the same
The Oakland A’s fanbase truly made me feel proud, but after a while my team was getting uncomfortable to watch and I couldn’t bring myself to admit it until this year when the whole truth was revealed.
This fanbase, of all communities, didn’t deserve this. Due to his lack of involvement he definitely won’t know how to manage a successful team all of a sudden when they move, and I’m sure that he’s aware of this. He’s probably going to sell the “Las Vegas A’s” as soon as possible. Moving them to sell them at a higher price is the only thing that I can see working out for John Fisher.
To be fair though, historically this is what the A’s do. Change owners and move in search of increased profits over and over again
@@maykito14That's like asking Jerry Reinsdorf to sell the White Sox, but he won't. I blame him for all the shortcomings the Sox are experiencing. Attendance has fallen off, and now he's threatening to moving the Sox out of Chicago, possibly to Nashville. Many people despised Walter O'Malley for moving the Dodgers to Los Angeles in 1958. Reinsdorf is responsible for turning the Sox into American League laughingstock. Owned the Sox since '81, but has had at least four division title winners, and only one World Series title to show for it. Reinsdorf needs to sell the team and get rid of Pedro Grifol as manager.
Liked your comment. Fellows A’s fan (soon to be former). Rooting for the giants is an absolute no go. For several reasons. There fans suck, the bonds era, and the fact that they blocked sj from us to stay in the Bay Area after we gave them
The land. I chose to follow the dodgers simply because I can keep the rivalry alive with the giants and they’re a proven franchise that drafts well like the A’s used to do under beane/dodger stadium reminds me so much of the coliseum/and the fans are really chill and die hard like A’s fans are.
@@eli827bbI joined dodger blue once the A’s announced they were moving to Vegas. Rooting for the giants is like a giants fan rooting for the dodgers. The dodgers are a complete neutral party to me (yea ya I know 88 but the A’s and dodgers have played in several other World Series in there history so why hate because a team played you in the championship?). True A’s fans hate the giants and Yankees. Dodgers rival with both those franchises and I can continue the rivalries. Idk why more of my fellow A’s don’t see the dodgers as the complete no Brainer here with bleeding blue now. Dodgers stadium is literally old coliseum south with the structure and kept history. Only difference is you guys keep your players and our cheap ownership never did.
What if I went to college
They should have stayed in Brooklyn
Peter looks lost sitting there.
In the Ken Burns Baseball PBS documentary, the historian Doris Kearns Goodwin told her family's story. She was 14 when the Dodgers left. Eventually she became a Red Sox fan and her dad went for the Mets. You don't root for your ex-wife but no way you go for the big brother who beat your brains in all the time either. I think the Giants settle in Minneapolis but others would have moved to California. Maybe the Senators and somebody else. The Senators (renamed) and expansion Angels as AL rivals? Fun to think about. Thanks, YES crew!
They should have stayed in Brooklyn. The two most iconic teams in both leagues would have been in NYC today. That's the way it should have been. It's too bad.
They tried.
I wonder if they'll ever return to Brooklyn or get an expansion team.
@@gabetalks9275 The Dodgers will never return to Brooklyn. Besides, they've got a minor league team that plays at Coney Island-the Brooklyn Cyclones.
@@kevinmiller6380 Yeah, I honestly doubt that the Dodgers ever return to Brooklyn. They've already established a legacy just as iconic as the one they carved in Brooklyn.
@@gabetalks9275 If the Dodgers returned to Brooklyn I would be emotional beyond compare. The return of the Trolley Dodgers.
All those old ball parks could have been kept and worked on for improvment. Let's look at Wrigley
Or Fenway.
@@hotwax9376 exactly
@@michaelwilber774 One of the things I greatly appreciate both the Ricketts family and John Henry for is going the extra mile to restore those historic ballparks and preserve them for at least another century or so. I hope future owners of both teams do that, and I also hope that the owners of teams with other iconic home fields (like the Dodgers, Orioles and Yankees) will do likewise. I even hope that Steve Cohen and future Mets owners will take excellent care of Citi Field. Given how much its exterior was modelled after Ebbets Field (and how much it also took inspiration from the Polo Grounds), it's truly a gem and I hope it's another future classic that effectively lasts forever.
@@hotwax9376 I wish the royals could do the same, unfortunately the concrete apparently has concrete cancer and can't be saved
@@michaelwilber774 It's a testament to what happens when owners don't take proper care of their stadiums. I never understood why stadiums have to be replaced after only 20 or 30 years anyway. The Oakland Colosseum is also crumbling because John Fisher is a cheap owner that let it happen. Compare that with the Ricketts, John Henry, or even the current Dodgers' ownership that has also done an excellent job maintaining Dodger Stadium.
Brooklyn became part of New York city. Which was a major deciding factor.
Ehh..Michael Kay is a bit wrong here...it was O’Malley who convinced Horace Stoneham to move his club to San Francisco to form a West Coast rivalry...had the Dodgers stayed in Brooklyn, Stoneham would have remained in New York..either at the Polo Grounds or at a new ballpark in Queens...thus, Shea Stadium might have become Stoneham Stadium..
No the Giants would have moved to Minneapolis where they had a farm team. The polo grounds was falling apart. If staying they were talking about moving into Yankee Stadium.
@@hamburg1306 Which the Yankees would never have allowed, seeing as how they were kicked out of the Polo Grounds 35 years earlier by John McGraw.
The first obvious… the New York Mets never exist. Now for the rest.
The Giants move to Minneapolis. This was the team’s original plan before Horace Stoneham was talked in to moving to California by Walter O’Malley. A deal to move to the Twin Cities was all but done. With the Dodgers staying in Brooklyn, this move happens.
Who goes to LA? The A’s. Arnold Johnson never wanted to be in Kansas City, made it obvious from the start he didn’t. There was a three year escape clause that if they ever didn’t draw a million fans, he could break his lease. There’s a reason he turned the A’s into a glorified farm system for the Yankees. It was no secret, he had LA in his sites. The Athletics attendance in 1957? 901,067. If the Dodgers stay in Brooklyn, Johnson has the A’s in Los Angeles in 1958. Yes, Charles Finley still buys from his estate after his death in 1960. Can you imagine Charlie O in LA?
The original Senators move to San Francisco she and rebrand as the Seals. Calvin Griffith spent six weeks in Los Angeles and San Francisco studying sites. He wasn’t staying in Washington.
The NL quickly acts to get in the Western rush expanding to Los Angeles (the NL). MLB also Washington and Kansas City, the last a settlement to the city for the A’s leaving so quickly. The league expands again to Dallas and Houston in 1962, then to San Diego and Montreal in 1968.
With Johnson breaking what was on his lease and moving to Los Angeles, but MLB acting fairly quickly, there’s no relocation to Oakland and Stuart Symington lawsuit forcing the league to push ahead the planned 1971 expansion to 1969, the Seattle Pilots take the field for the first time in 1971 in a much better financial state of affairs and with a new stadium, not a crappy minor league dump, thus they survive. They are joined as expansion newcomers by the Milwaukee Brewers, as the Braves still left Milwaukee for Atlanta.
MLB remains in our Nation’s Capital, as Joseph B. Danzansky, president of Giant Food Inc. buys the team and keeps James Lemon on as 10 percent owner, and the Senators survive.
The league expands again in 1976 to Toronto and Denver (Denver Zephyrs.. keep in mind, the NHL had the Colorado Rockies at the time), then in 1993 to Miami and Buffalo (Bisons), then 1996 to Phoenix and Tampa.
The Expos move to Nashville in 2003.
Great what if story.
Why did the As move to Kansas City instead of LA?
why didnt moses give the dodgers the land they wanted and build a stadium in queens for the giants?
The Pacific Coast League had Open classification (above AAA but below MLB) from 1952-57 and only got demoted back to AAA because of both increasing TV coverage of baseball (which caused minor league "representation" to crash all around) as well as the Dodgers/Giants moving to LA/SF. So had the Dodgers stayed in Brooklyn and the Giants went to Minneapolis, would the PCL become a third major league? If so, how would the World Series work?
I still call the Dodgers, the Brooklyn Dodgers and the Giants, the New York Giants when they play the Yankees
I heard a story about the St. Louis Browns were supposed to move to LA as early as the mid 1940s 👀
Yeah. The meeting at the American League office to discuss the Browns moving to LA was to happen on December 8, 1941. Obviously that meeting was canceled.
I’m great the dodgers are in la however I feel terrible for those dodger fans from 50s
I never knew a Dodger or Giant fan who ever became a Yankee fan.Some stayed loyal to the Dodgers and Giants but the great majority became Met fans as I did.
They didn’t “beat the dodgers brains out” in the 50’s almost every series was extremely close and the Dodgers literally beat the Yankees in the 1955 World Series. Don’t know what history he has read but…
A few misconceptions....a lot of Dodger and Giant fans switched their support to the Pirates or Phillies due to the somewhat close location and the fact that in 1958 WOR broadcasted Phillies Games into NYC...and from 59-61 Philly games against the Giants and Dodgers were broadcast into NYC. When the Mets came that died out but alot became Philly or Pirate fans. Also I highly doubt the Giants would’ve went to Minneapolis because I doubt Horace Stoneham would’ve wanted to compete with the runaway train named the Milwaukee Braves not too far away. If the Dodgers don’t leave they probably would’ve settled for a stadium either in Queens or in all the land that was barren in Southern Brooklyn towards the Belt Parkway and the Giants probably become tenants of the Yankees or move to Flushing.
The Giants were headed to Minneapolis until O'Malley persuaded Stoneham to move west with him. Dodgers couldn't go to the west coast alone. Also, Milwaukee is 340 miles from Minneapolis.
He’s right, If you’re team left wouldn’t you root for the team that replaced them (Mets) and not one of the rival team the Yankees
I would've been an Angels fan or a Giants or Padres fan...
My Grandparents continued to root for the Dodgers, for years following the relocation to LA , by that time they had left Brooklyn I was wondering why they living in South Florida were Dodgers fans they would make the trip to Vero Beach for Spring Training
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If the Dodgers had stayed in Brooklyn, NY then there would be no Mets!
Kay squeezing that toy on camera makes me nervous.
New York would literary be the new Cooperstown.
Then LA might've got the Mets if the Dodgers had stayed in Brooklyn.
It would be better and also Chavez Ravine community.
What if Robert Moses gave the Shea Stadium site to the Giants instead of the Dodgers?🧐🧐
Right! But it seems like the Giants wanted to leave anyway because they did not want to share New York with 2 other teams anymore.
OF COURSE it's like rooting for the wife who left you! As an 11 year old kid, I hated the Dodgers once they moved to L.A. I felt betrayed. But I couldn't root for the Yankees. Why the hell couldn't O'Malley have moved to Queens? It was better to move 3000 miles away??? Nonsense.
Brooklyn Brown Dodgers LEFT THE CHAT
Peter doesn't contribute to this show at all.
Dodgers and Giants are better than the Yankees and NYC is a NL City
There would be no Mets
Dodgers and giants should have stayed
OMG,Peter lost so much weight, I didn’t recognize him, haven’t watched in it was new more, thought u hired a better looking guy
They should have moved to the Meadowlands.
What if the New York Giants never left?
The Giants were leaving no matter what. It was only a matter of Mpls or the west coast with another National League team.
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What if smh
What if the Giants, hadn’t left? The Giants were by far more successful than the Dodgers.
Yes but strangely the noise over the Dodgers’ departure was louder than it was for the Giants.
In the 50s, the Dodgers was more successful than the Giants.
Who ever this guy in the middle is has no clue about sports fans or their love for the game. I mean Brooklyn Dodgers and Yankees was a rivalry in the 40s and 50s yes Brooklyn left fact is your hate for the Yankees the rival does not change. I mean you don't jump on the Yankees bandwagon when a team leaves that is not how this shit works my god. I laugh when this moron in the middle compares a baseball team leaving to wife leaving you that is 2 different things this is enjoyment of a sport vs personal life not the same. Its like when the Quebec Nordiques left Quebec City their fans didn't become Montreal fans no they still hate Montreal Canadiens more then ever and cheer for Bruins, Leafs, Rangers anybody but Montreal.
Mays would hit 800 home runs not roton Field West Coast
Ebbett field
Giant would got a new field once dogers moved in New York City all fans would been national League fans Macovey great giant team of the 1960
Giant dogers games in New York City
Branch Rickie wanted yo start a third League then the major league expanded you had 8 teams now the owners would not expanded of not Rickey 3 League