This is Subnautica's Most Controversial Leviathan
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The PDA tells us that the Squidshark is a Leviathan, or does it? The game can't seem to make up its mind, so what makes a Leviathan, a Leviathan? Today I give my verdict.
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0:00 - The Squidshark's PDA Shenanigans
1:08 - What Makes a Leviathan?
3:07 - Common Traits
4:42 - Leviathan Sizes
5:58 - Squidshark Stats
6:34 - Weight / Mass
6:55 - Is the Squidshark a Leviathan?
7:36 - Your Thoughts & Patreon Thanks!
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If I can run it over with a seamoth or sea truck, then it ain’t a leviathan.
This is now the official definition
yes
So a Skyray or Cave Crawler is a leviathan, then?
@@sycamorestreet7953wait. OH MY GOSH.
@@sycamorestreet7953 i once managed to run over a cave crawler with my seamoth... dont ask how
The best part of the “what is a leviathan” discussion is classifying the snow stalker as a beta-male lol
It's where it belongs :P
Agreed
Ice worm is the alpha
@@iAlethothe squid shark is a levataihan jr
i imagine it to be a very far cousin
Headcannon: There are leviathan sized squidsharks out there, the big ones just go out in the void and the they use Sector 0 as a breeding ground. Kinda like how ghost leviathans use the crater to lay eggs.
hmm
Interesting..and scary, good theory
There’s an issue with that theory and it’s that there is a spot where you can go into the void in Below Zero, and there’s Chelicerates out there.
@@MinoriGaming doresnt mean there arent any gaint squidsharks out there as well, they might just swim away further
@@MinoriGamingThe issue is, I swear the PDA, or some other in game source mentions there being far larger creatures in the void, my best guess is that those creatures are too far away for any sensors. So the ghost leviathans. Or ghost chalicerates are just a gameplay thing, to prevent the player from escaping.
My only problem with the squidshark is it could've easily been made a leviathan
Just needed to be a bit bigger!
facts
Maybe a few more animations too and we couldve had a solid addition to the leviathan roster
@@Frigorito3975 You right, tbh I feel like the devs would have been better off if they just enlarged EVERYTHING including the map by just like 10%... The Squid Sharks and chilli shrimp would have been alot more scary if they where a just smidge bigger, and if they did more damage to the truck. Both of those are easy changes, its painful the dev's didnt just do that and left them feeling weak, their awesome designs.
@@AlexHonger-fj3nx i do agree although; i do think that the shrimp is a really well made creature and should stay as it is. however its being the only real leviathan you see aside from the shadow leviathan, so its pretty much overused. The squidshark could have been fitted for the lilypad isles as maybe an overgrown version as the "leader of the pack", but now im just theorizing ':D
I always interpreted the squidsharks PDA entry to say that it was as dangerous as a leviathan, not that it was one
thats a good way to look at it!
Yeah, it checks out. They're like some aquatic mix of stoat and badger when it comes to just ruining anything's day and hitting way out of their weight class.
While some of the more spicy creatures like the Boneshark might challenge that definition, I like it.
With Humanity having a presence on who-knows-how-many planets in the galaxy, having a universal definition of "these things will fuck your seatruck/land truck up" could be useful.
The Squidshark ekes it's way in with it's proven ability to crack seatruck screens and EMP your ride.
I mean, not to robin at least, ive never seen anyone die do squid sharks
They don't even grab onto the prawn, so I would say this makes more sense
They do a little too much damage though seeing how the prawn suit is supposed to be like capable of withstanding massive creatures, I feel like it would have made more sense to focus of the electrocution part
Another example of leviathans getting preyed on is sea treaders. If they had no predators then they wouldn’t bother kicking the player if they got too close, and they have thick armour to protect them.
A good point!
These might be the features that make them no longer good prey for whatever would otherwise try to hunt them. Kind of like turtles or porcupines, their defense mechanisms eliminate a large group of potential predators, but just because they aren't hunted by them right now doesn't mean they can get rid of said defensive features since obviously that would make them prey again.
It can be for creatures like sandshark. On earth we have cookie cutter sharks as example. For a creature as slow as sea treader, shell seems to be a necessity since any predator could get a bite of their flesh and run for it.
Unless Evolution works in a completely different way in the alien planet, armor is developed before size. The Sea treader might have just evolved from a smaller organism that needed a shell to survive
@@raffaelegiacomaniello3415 that's just normal evolution. Also the mechanism of evolution is so universal that it applies to any information that can be reproduced, modified and selected, alien organisms evolve in the same way even if they use a completely different kind of genetics.
I kinda like the idea of it just being one of those animals that simultaneously fits in multiple categories and denies all categories, or ends up needing one all to itself, like a platypus. I imagine in-universe that the idea of a squidshark being a leviathan is heavily debated and controversial, just like the 'is pluto a planet' thing
Maybe there’s disagreement on what constitutes a Leviathan, like how there’s still some disagreement on what constitutes life.
It could be like viruses where depending on your definition it may be alive, dead or like ‘eh sorta kinda both…?’
Ah yes, the pint sized screaming beasts from the dark depths….
It knows how to instill fear in you Fulgrim!
You forgot to give us its background man! Need to know what makes it tick.
@@iAletho how? by waiting 300 years in a completly decimated planet, then when @Fulgrim2 finnaly shows up throw a bomb at him, and proceed to trash talk him so hard that his ego never recovers?
Heretic! Should've stayed in the Emperors light. How could you turn to Chaos?!
These replies make me feel like I missed something
Maybe the squidsharks we see are juveniles? The sea emperor juveniles are pretty small, possibly our size when they hatch. It could stand to reason then that the squidsharks need some time to grow. We might not see the full sized ones since they're out in the void, dead or alive who's to say.
That would explain there Appearance in the deep twisty bridges and the places like the Lili pad zone that has a lot of cracks they could potentially be the super predator of the micro biomes
Great theory, but I reckon the pda would point that out tbh. I mean, if it's good enough to discover how old (approximately ofc) a fossil is, (yes Im assuming it'd still be using carbon dating as we do irl, but in labs instead) from just a little scan of it, surely it could detect whether a creature is juvenile or not
@@elixerities Fair point, but since it made 2 entries in Subnautica 1 to separate the Ghost Leviathans and their Juveniles, the jury's out for me.
I honestly love the Squidsharks! They are silly little guys and I am happy you can find eggs for it and have them in a tank! Just a lovely addition for Below Zero in my book.
They're definitely unique!
What is prove it isn't really a leviathan. Because we can't collect eggs of leviathan creators, because the devs what the leviathans to be speciale and not something you can just put in a aquarium.
@@juliaboskamp9666 except you can find leviathan eggs. Glow whale eggs are found on floating lily islands, and you can put them in an aquarium
@@juliaboskamp9666Sea Emperor leviathan...
@@Wojtek1250XD still can't put them in our personal aquarium
It might be a case of the squid sharks WE see don't classify as leviathan, that the species overall size range dips a bit into the smaller end of leviathan scale but it's not classified as one for us because none we would see are in that range. Think of the dramatic size difference between the standard and void Chelicerates
This is actually a really good point
There's clearly an in-universe biological classification called "leviathan", and squidshark is just one of its smaller members; there seems to be a specific size range as the PDA mentions that it had to be adjusted upwards for the emperor Leviathan.
It may not technically fit the gameplay role of a leviathan, but we're talking about what scientists would classify it as.
I don't think it's a biological classification necessarily but more of a practical one. Similar to the race category as used today, it often coincides with broad biological traits but its usefulness breaks down when you get into the details.
I myself would love these creatures in a future documentary:
Cuddlefish
Peeper
Architects
The peeper leviathan (just kidding)
Traivelle
(Maybe) gryptosuchus
Lavalizard
Scrapped sand leviathan
And (titan) holefish
I love your videos and I hope you see this!
Thanks Astronaut! I'll certainly think about some of them! :)
I mean a video on the Alpha peeper, or, even Alpha ray, or better yet, both combined would be sick
Oculus would be cool as well.
Or an ampeel
@@LostTemplars They do have some intresting things about them
Squidsharks are cool
They are indeed :)
The squid shark seems more similar in scale to a crabsquid or crabsnake to me, neither of which are considered leviathans
It's actually quite a bit smaller, the squidshark is 11m while the crabsnake and ampeels are 20m (but not considered leviathans)
They actually fill the same niche as the crabsquid and even have the same disabling electrical attack (not to mention having "squid" in the name). Although I think the Squidshark is a bit bigger.
personally, i would classify squidshark as somewhere between a standard carnivore, and a leviathan, due to the PDA saying its a leviathan, but its a little over half the length of the smallest leviathan: the Sea Treader
a "sub-leviathan" if you will
also, here is a random thing: the crabsnake is i think over 20 meters in length (20 meters is the leviathan threshold, i think) yet its not classed as a leviathan.
The crabsnake could be down to the weight / mass issue I mentioned! :)
i always used to think that crabsquids/snakes should be levaithans, maybe not crabsnake but definently crabquid
Ampeels are also massive, about the same length as crabsnakes
They still scare me, but so does the chali boi that roams the thermal vent spot in below zero
Those red boys just have no chill!
Chelis are pussies once you have the *S H O C K*
personally id give the squid shark an honorary leviathan tag, because it scared me a whole lot more than the chelicerate, the shoe in reaper for sub zero. the chelly just didnt impress. i know it had big shoes to fill, but i feel they did so horribly. i found myself shrugging it off, while i was much more concerned about the squid shark. but thats just me
I think that the chelicerate ai is just too wonky. It takes forever to aggro, and it loses interest after one hit. Not to mention it doesn't really sound intimidating
I mean, it does say "A leviathan class PREDATOR" Not just a leviathan, being able to prove this point further with it being in the "CARNIVORE" category and not in the "LEVIATHAN" category. Which would mean it can hunt like a leviathan, it just simply isn't classified as one. Another theory could be that it can't defend itself from other leviathan attacks well enough and could easily be killed by another leviathan, I say defend as some leviathans such as reefbacks don't attack other things and are not threatening but can still defend well against other leviathan attacks as they have defensive measure like their shell or reef on their back.
but sea treaders are herbivores.
reapers are regarded as leviathan class
The definition of leviathans reminds me a lot of the irl definition of megafauna. Both are semi-scientific classifications. The latter's lower end varies between 2 and 1000 kg. While you would get quite a few odd looks by saying your cat is an example for megafauna, you wouldn't be completely wrong.
It would be interesting to compare squidsharks to the largest creature not considered a leviathan.
That would probably be a crabsquid
@@Wojtek1250XD it's actually the ampeel, being 20m in length and quite a bit thicker than a crabsnake
Leviathans original dictionary meaning means "great" or " big tail" so even if the squid sharks is smaller then its relatives its still a leviathan.
Bonus fact the first ever recorded word of leviathan is a Hebrew mythology about the first ever dragon.
Me: drinks coffee in my seatruck Squidshark: Ok I will scare the hell out of him by trying to eat his window
It was its master plan all along!
reminds me of pluto, too small to fit under the category😭
4:05
That thing (ice worm) doesn’t actually live in water, contrary to box art. A more appropriate category for this creature is “Behemoth” class, for it’s a land (or glacier) dwelling organism.
As that stands, the only reason it’s classified as “leviathan” is because the PDA in Below Zero is meant to help the player survive in 4546b’s arctic waters. Therefore, it’s most likely a technical classification bug on the PDA not accounting for a giant land-dweller and shoving it into “Leviathan” for less systematic confusion.
Honestly, I'd refer to organisms like the Squidshark as a "Pseudo-Leviathan", a creature that shows *some* leviathan-class traits, but not enough to be a leviathan-class creature. Like the Titan Holefish for example, its essentially a supersized holefish, and could be on the same level of "pseudo-leviathan" as the Glow Whale and Reefback in the leviathan class, a harmless gentle giant...to us.
As for the frozen/extinct leviathans, maybe Royal or Kaiju-class Leviathans? Or something simple like Super Leviathans lol
Gargantua class
He sorta reminds me of a goblin shark
I mean I can kinda see it!
bro did not have to do Snow Stalker's like that in the hierarchy
F to pay respects
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The squid shark may not technically be a leviathan in a physical sense, it’s still a leviathan to me, in my heart❤️
(I like squid sharks I think their design is so cool)
Squid shark is like my family. How dare you disrespect me and the squid shark like this.
Don't quote me but i an 90% sure that when they were released in the beta they were oveg 2x their current size and were called the squidshark leviathan but when they were made smaller the leviathan was removed from their name but i am pretty sure the pda entry is still the same
I assume the top of food chain is based on the adult since juvenile reefbacks are known snacks for predators
I'm pretty sure the definition means that the creature is almost unkillable by other creatures within it's habitat along with this it should also be an extremely massive organism
I absolutely love how you make your videos, the editing is so charming and the content itself is just excellent, keep up the great work!
I have a theory that this PDA was written before the Squid Sharks design was finalized, maybe the Squid Shark was originally gonna be bigger than it is now.
My thought is: the PDA says they are levaithan class predators, not levaithans themselves meaning they eat like or as much as a levaithan but not clasified as a levaithan species
Loving your style of videos, the humor sprinkled in between the facts and theories makes it a joy to watch. Please never stop :)
Thank you Shadow, its comments like yours that keep me going! :)
I love how this is basically real aquatic life classification arguments in a nut shell. "There is no such thing as a fish"
The squid shark is average size and I'm sure it has a great personality
Maybe there could be a new categorization of creatures known as "Pseudo-Leviathans" where they are top of their food chains, but dont necessarily meet the requirements for a true leviathan.
your video editing skills are superb, what a visual treat!
Dude, if it’s bigger than me, and it makes me have a constant fear of paranoia, it’s a leviathan. If not, you best believe I am getting that thermoblade!
Reapers are down in the caves because before the aurora there was another entrance to the lava zone there. The Sea Dragons would swim up and drag the reapers into the lava zone and kill them there.
Idk why but thesquidshark looks like a stranger things monster
It kinda does actually xD
squidshark is like the little brother you bring along because you feel bad for him
for me a leviathan is a creature that somewhat shapes the enviorment around it
I love the vids man, keep it up!
Glad you like them woo!
Great video! Keep up with the Subnautica videos, I love them. I can't wait for Subnautica 2, but I have to wait because I need to get a new PC.
Thanks fabbe! Good job you have a little time to prepare before Subnautica 2!
I read somewhere that leviathan-class was anything bigger than 30 meters in some dimension, and thought that was the standard. Now I'm second-guessing wherever I got that information from.
Its possible ’large size and weight’ may be defined by the other creatures within its environment.
So, a creature like stalkers have similarly sized creatures like a gasopod in close proximity (since the kelp forest and safe shallows are very close to each other). Which makes them not a leviathan, because they are not abnormally sized for their general location/environment
Also note that ive played all of about 5-10 hours of subnautica so I’m definitely no expert and may be completely wrong with some of my evidence 😅
If squid sharks were leviathan’s, the crab squid should be one as well.
In the biomes crabsquids live there seem to be no actual foodchain to put them at the top of
Crabsquid is not an apex predator because it lacks anything that would be under it other than small fish
There’s one forgetting something!!!!,if the fins are electric charged then - … - ,what if that’s holding its weight wile making it seem light in waight
I just remember squid sharks as those things that like to camp the lily pad wreck
I really hope the next game will have something like the gargantuan leviathan. Just imagine swimming in the deep, open ocean. And suddenly you see a dark shape on the edge of your vision, almost incomprehensibly massive. It really gives than otherworldly horror feel.
This is similar to a Pug being categorized as a Mastiff (Dutch Mastiff) lol
It's possible the squidsharks were originally going to be leviathans, but then scaled down to be smaller so they could work as early game enemies in the deep twisty bridges.
one thing to think about is that leviathans typically are long and worm/snakelike or have tentacles. not all of them do but thats something to think of. also typically in real life and subnautica, the deeper you go the bigger the things get, the squid shark seems to stay closer to the surface than most other leviathans.
Finally I can rest peacefully knowing that thing isn’t a levitation but my sea truck would say otherwise
The most common definition for leviathan is "a very large aquatic creature, especially a whale" and "a thing that is very large or powerful, especially a ship," so needless to say, being very BIG is one of the main requirements.
I honestly think that the squidshark is the type of organism that *could* be a leviathan but its juuuust not there yet. Like its the Pluto of leviathan organisms, or maybe its one of the rare organisms that arent leviathans but can put up a decent fight against one.
I absolutely love your content and it inspired me to play subnautica again 😂
I had completely forgotten it mentioned being a leviathan. I never, ever thought of this thing as one.
Ampeels are 20 meters long, making them more of a leviathan in terms of length than a Squidshark. However, they are not necessary at the top of the food chain, as Reefback Leviathans can spawn in the bulb zone, and Ghost Leviathans can be found in the blood kelp areas.
I find them pretty adorable, but i've literally seen them once ever
Adorable and Leviathan.. not something that normally goes in the same sentance! xD
What about reefbacks? I want to pat these big guys anytime I see them :)
@@iAlethoWhen not trying to kill me I think the Sea Dragon is cute.
@@Shadow-hm3uq Everytime I pat a reefback I get clobbered by tiger plant
@@Gracefulwarrior2124 just get the reinforced diving suit
For the gargantuan leviathan part my brain made me say “that’s just a child one”
It's like Pluto. It deserves its own class: Sub-Leviathan.
I always thought the Squid Shark was kinda a type of leviathan that had to be small, given it lives in fairy small caves it dwells in. I feel like if Unknown Worlds used that idea, it would work, but given that they exist in the Lily Pad Islands its either A: my idea gets thrown out. Or B: they maybe just come out and up into the Lily Pad Islands for food, possibly.
The thing is the stalker lives in the crash zone with the reaper while the reaper is forced into the volcano zone
Love your animation style
I never even knew it was classified as a leviathan, ironically that might be why I was never afraid of it, it was just like a slightly bigger stalker to me
i think it's any aquatic animal larger than 30m, backed up by the first line in the reefback's pda entry: "This vast lifeform is in excess of 30m long and has been designated leviathan class." Also the iceworm is amphibious, it spends most of it's time under the ice sheet undoubtedly underwater.
Kid named sea treader:
I never knew that the Squid Shark was a leviathan. I just thought that it was a scary and dangerous predator and I still think it is.
I think the entry is probably just old text they forgot to change. I'm assuming they initially planned for it to be a leviathan, possibly an early game one, and later made it a regular creature, forgetting the description had it specified as a leviathan.
I personally would've loved to see it as a Leviathan in the deep twisty bridges.
The difficult part of any such fictional entity is the fact that it can be anything anyone says it is as there are no real world counterparts nor living references of the creature existing. Real life creatures get a scientific name and lined up with scientific nomenclature. Fictional entities normally don't regardless how "deadly" the thing may be, it's considered null.
Thanks for explaining my favorite of Subnautica’s fauna.
The squidshark is one of those "hybrid cards" nuff said
My theory is that in earlier development stages the Squidshark was planned to be a true leviathan, but somewhere along the way they decided to scrap that idea, instead making it a normal carnivore. Under this theory it would be called a leviathan in the PDA due to an oversight when it's initial role was changed, with it's original description being outdated.
As for the food chains and armor points, I think some leviathans armor could potentially be to protect them from other members of their own species, or even just something from earlier stages of evolution that the creature just never lost over the years of adapting to it's environment.
The top of their food chain means their hunting methods.
Reapers stalk ghost leviathans go straight in and so on, they all have different methods and are the best at it
Just like real taxonomy, sometimes you find an organism that just refuses to be classified
I consider it a “pseudo leviathan” which is basically just a very dangerous creature over 10 meters (basically just large apex predators, like leviathans, but not officially leviathans)
I’d say the definition of leviathan would be that it is large enough to swallow a human whole, something the Squidshark is able to do if your health gets low enough. That gets fuzzier with the Sea Treader, which grazes on the seafloor. The reefback I’m not sure has a mouth but it’s big enough so if it had one it could swallow you whole.
The suggestion that chelicerates are eaten by something larger terrifies me ngl.
Fun fact: alot of top preditor species have defense mecanisms to protect themselves despite not having any kind of "challanger" in the food chain because they have to fight against others of there OWN species. SO teh chelicerate having armord plates isnt inherantly an indictaion of having a bigger preditor species. just that other, bigger chelicerate's might attack and eat smaller ones.
i would love to see ducumentaries on modded leviathans too!
that would be realy cool to have the call of the void leviathans on the ducumentaries
Squidsharks are big but the boneshark and the sandshark with the stalker are big and problematic too, but the aren't in a level of destroying a seamoth or prawn suit
7:28 except pluto is a planet. So therefore, the squidshark is a leviathan.
Maybe you could say the Squidshark is a dwarf-leviathan, like how Pluto used to be considered a planet but later was changed to a dwarf-planet
If I recall correctly, the squid shark was planned as a leviathan originally, but got changed before they put it in the game. If that is true, that would be why they wrote the pda entry that way, and it is just an outdated pda entry that the devs should probably update at some point.
I think that Fear, or at least some sort of awe is a characteristic in leviathans. For example, the sea emperor is friendly but it still scared me a he first 10 times I saw it, simply just because of how big it is. But the reaper, which is significantly smaller scared me just as much because of its appearance and personality. The squid shark, like you said in the beginning of the video, is scary. It’s a predator, and is at the top of the food chain. And comparing it to the majority of creatures in subnautica, it’s massive. So I personally would still consider it a leviathan, because of the fear (or awe) factor that all leviathans have
I think what they meant when they said a leviathan class predator is that the prey the squidshark hunts is typically larger than it, similar to some squids and I believe some sharks. They are a predator of leviathans while not a leviathan themselves.
I will consider the Squid shark as the Chihuahua of the Levithan class then
saw the thumbnail and the freakiness took over
I think the reaper leviathan entry is just a pretty standard term for any large and dominant creature in its food chain. You have to remember that subnautica takes place on a single planet in a universe where inter galactic space travel is common and wide spread. Of course definitions are going to be fairly open to interpretation as every world will likely have its own unique spin on leviathan class creatures. Like on earth, leviathan class creatures would likely be the blue whales, whale sharks, elephants, etc… all relatively large creatures that are fairly unthreatened by other animals that inhabit their same ecosystems.
As a side note the generic term for a large dominant animal in universe (aside from it being a game) is likely due to the fact that oceans are just more conducive for massive creatures on average. Therefor the nautical monster leviatan was the chosen term. Hell if you went to a planet with dinosaur size creatures they’d probably call those guys leviathans as well
2:37 actually that might just be an evolutionary feature the chilcs developed before they got at the top of their food chain and it stayed with them due to providing some other key features like dealing with atm pressure
I think leviathans aren't a threat level classification or size or anything, but instead a classification of genetics, like a family. They all have canon genetic similarities separated from other creatures like resistance to the Kharaa that really aren't visible in gameplay, as seen by Margureit being able to survive off the meat of a reaper due to it's relation to the Emperor.
i never realy considered the squidshark as a leviathan more of a normal shark
i love your vids keep going
Although it's confusing on what a leviathan class organism is, I believe that the Squid Shark is basically a unique leviathan in the same way the cheetah is a unique big cat. Basically The Squid Shark being on the smaller scale leviathan that cannot exactly be compared to the other leviathans.
Surprised the vid didn’t get age-restricted on account of that thumbnail
When I watched this vid for the first time and I noticed all the funny sounds effects and scrat screaming when godzillas pet dog makes a appearance got me rolling XD
10/10 best subnautica channel ever ❤
i fell like the squidshark and sae treaders should be put in there own class of small leviathans. :D