I also have this rifle. I did see your video before I bought it. as soon I I got it,I pulled it apart and lightly sanded the area in front of and on the two plastic pieces. I then filled the area with JB Weld,making a solid gusset. Have had zero issues with the rifle. I pulled the scope off and replaced it before I ever shot it. it's been a good shooter,no complaints.
Terry Swensen great to hear. It's just really terrible to hear how someone spends a decent amount of money for a rifle then has to go home tear it apart and spend time and money making it what it should have been from day one a good reliable shooter
I did the same . Hope whoever designed this got fired from his job . I used JB weld and bedded it . Mine is a .300 win mag . no way in hell will those little tabs hold the recoil !
My patriot is in 30/06. I baught it 2 days ago. I fell in love with its beauty. I took it to range this morning to sight it in. After 8 shots i had in in a skoal can size target at 175 yrds. I love it and its the kind of rifel ill hand down to my grand children one day. I was very happy with its performance
This video saved me some cash. I appreciate this review. After watching this I went to a local gunsmith and asked their opinion as well, they said save yourself the headache and stick with a Remington. thanks again boss.
Kevin, I really appreciate the feed back. Ya im glad you send mossberg a message they need to get the hint. If you hire gun smiths that cant see this is a design flaw then id fire all of em and start over. Heres an update befor i sold this rifle i glass bedded stock built up a wall for recoil lug and built up under rear tang then installed a real scope and was getting 1.5-2" groups i know not the greatest but better then the 8-10 just like the guy on cabelas. Any questions let me know
I just bought the same rifle; although I can't complain I paid 550$ for it. After discovering a similar issue I purchased a new stock, which is something I was going to do anyways, for 100$. The rifle is a very good and accurate rifle for beginners or casual hunters. The longest shot I had able to make with this gun accurately was 800 yards, at that range I had an 8 inch grouping, which I was told is standard for your typically over the counter rifles.
I bought one of these in 308. First thing I did was to take JB Weld and fill in the area behind the plastic ribs for the recoil lug, I also took Blue Magic Quik Steel and used it as a bedding compound for the fore end of the stock. I didn't like the way it flexed. It seems rock solid, am going to the range next week.
I've had this rifle for 8 years and always shoot 3/4 to 1.5 inch groups. Mines the one with the muzzle brake. I've had great much out of mine. It's taken many deer out to 200 yards with off the shelf ammo. Once in a while u do get a bad rifle but 90% of the time it's operator error.
Question, I bought the Patriot in 30-06 and after taking the action out to look at the block it looks as if those small plastic pieces are forward of the recoil lug and seem to be only guides to slip the recoil lug into place. They don't appear to be taking any of the recoil force at all. In fact the block is built with the forward action screw at it's leading edge surrounded by solid polymer backed by structured polymer to the rear. I'm wondering if some idiot at the factory somehow inserted the recoil lug forward of those guides because it looks as if that's the only way possible for those to break off. Even so, the action screw is set into the block so I don't see how it could be loose in the gun. If you could post a picture of your stocks interior it would help to solve a quandary. I'm wondering if the night train is set up differently from mine. Thanks
+Joshlee Van hey man I just watched your video and I appreciate the review, I traded one of my cheaper AR-15s for this exact rifle in 300 win mag at a gun show a few days ago unaware of this problem so many people are experiencing with this rifle, I have yet to take it to a range. I was planning on doing so tomorrow but I'm reluctant to put any rounds through it now, what would you advise I do with this rifle, buy a different stock for it or just put different bedding in the current stock?
yo...I was looking for a starter long range rifle, and was interested in this one specifically. I was wondering do you still have this rifle and did Mossberg replace the plastic parts with better material in this line of rifles since this review....
How has she been for ya as of now? I'm thinking of getting one in Marinecote and get a thumbhole stock from Boyds. So I'm just concerned about overall fit and finish, how reliable it is and how smooth (or rough) the action is, and not the factory rifle stock. I ask because I heard one individual say their bolt broke after 40 rounds, but didn't explain what type of ammo they where using and all the info regarding his rifle, sounds fishy to me. But everyone else says this rifle is excellent.
no problem my friend. and get the axis 2 with adjustable trigger my 270 would shoot 5 shot groups all inside one inch with cheap ammo. it helps to have a good bedding job and the axis has piller bedding. very good for price.
Most of the issue you had with the rifle is due to the stock. As an option you could use a nice hard wood slab and cut a stock from it to custom fit the rifle. Wood working isn't really hard and if you measure correctly and base it off of the original stock for shape and size and then do a bedding job I can almost say definitively you would probably have no more issues. I agree the stock is not of a great quality and could have been better designed. But like you I think the patriot's with the plastic stocks can be made to be an excellent shooting rifle with a little work. Thanks for the video I will now take down my Patriot and see if it suffered the same issue. I have the black synthetic stock so it is probably a problem of the stock so I will probably opt to make a stock from scratch and bed it correctly. This also gives me the option of buying wood that I get to custom finish making my rifle one of a kind in the process.
Got this rifle yesterday, haven't tried it yet. I am not sure if I want to take down the stock yet, hopefully since your problem they have fixed the embeding. I'll keep you posted after i shot a few rounds ! Thanks for the review ;)
Proud canadian whats going on thanks for watching. I actually sold this rifle. No after market support for stocks and being as cheap as the bedding job is i decided its a lost cause. I went with a new remington 700 LR if you want reviews on that let me know
joshlee van boyds makes custom wooden stocks for this rifle. Haven't had any of the issues you talked about on this rifle. Hold consistent half inch groups at 200 yards(limited on long range shooting in Florida). I think you had a bad rifle or something no issues with the scope or anything just dropped a big buck with a double lung shot I think you got a dud or something.
you ever shoot a ruger American rifle? what is your view on it? I like its features better than axis. I like the looks of the patriot in wood stock configuration but if they don't bed them right, its a waste.
jdbucha I dont exactly remember now either the 2 or three but either way I spent alot and sold for alot less lol it is what it is I'd love to review more guns but I would need more support and a dealer to lend me different rifles. If there is a specific make and model I get alot of questions about and wanting in depth reviews I'll see what I can do to make it happen
Hey bro, have you ever thought to try a Boyd stock for that rifle? Maybe look that up see what you think as it’s a replacement customized type stock for that rifle and other rifles as well I think they make a stock for just about any rifle but yeah, maybe try a Boyd stock replacement for that.
I bought a walnut .243 , its a great gun for the price and love shooting it. When I opened the box the clear coat was coming off the walnut. Sent an email and said I couldn't return the gun because hunting season is here. I get an email 2 days later saying they are shipping me a new walnut stock. Good CS for that particular scenario. Nice Video joshlee van. Hate to hear of your issues though
Mike things got a little better grouping did tighten up i built up alot of bedding infront of recoil lug where the two plastic pieces broke and under rear tang. I beleive this was night train 2 it was the new model for 2015. Hope this helps
Glad you put this up, was interested in getting one of these in the next few months, and I'm glad I saw this. Some of the comments say to get the wooden stock version. It's either that or maybe get a Savage or Ruger. Thanks for putting this up!
Any ideas if mossberg fixed any issues with the bedding? I'm looking to purchase the mvp flex in 7.62 NATO(308 WIN)but after seeing this video...I'm second guessing the purchase.
Get your self a Kevlar stock. Or a stock that you can glass bed. That one doesn't look like it has enough structure for bedding. Thanks for showing the in sides. I have seen the wood stocks in 30'06 give great accuracy.
I'd be curious to know if mossberg has addressed this issue since the 2015 model. Also from what I've seen the newer night trains come with a barska scope.
I know this is an old video. The Mossberg Patriot and Predator rifles do better in a Boyd stock with aluminum pillar bedding, or chassis such as MDT or the daughter company Oryx, where the whole aluminum frame is bedding. This has to do with the rear action screw guide on the factory stock, which has a gap that they refuse to change. The mag well is used as a shim. I have communicated twice with Mossberg and they refused to change. I like Mossberg for the barreled actions. You simply need to assume that you will be transplanting to a Boyd's stock or to an MDT LSS Gen 2 or an Oryx. Still a Mossberg fan and I have the 590A1 SPX 12 ga smooth bore.
Glad I got the normal patriot with the laminate stock instead of the night train. Still haven't shot it cause I don't have a scope yet, but I'm confident it's stock is better than the cheap plastic ones
I have that set up as well in ,270 win. I shoot MOA to sub MOA all day long with Hornady Superformance GMX ammo. I have a Vortex Crossfire II 4-16x50 AO scope mounted on it. Very accurate combo. Note: Got the Vortex for $199 and for $80 more you can get custom made turrets for it from Kenton. The link is on the Vortex website,
Thanks for your review but I saw it to late I just spent a week trying to track down the rifle I really want and finally was able to get it I pick it up tomorrow it is a Mossberg Patriot laminate marinecote . In .270 Win my question is ! With the laminate stock will I run into the same problem that you did or is just the synthetic has to have that ribbing to strengthen it if anyone can help answer I would really appreciate it Thanks again for your review
Im glad to hear you have no issues. Quick question when you buy the boydes stock ask them how there bedded? They to run no pillars or blocks i called them before. So you are really paying for a stock not much better then what you have. Unless there recoil lug area is built better. You could always glass bed it and do the same thing if saving money is ur goal. Now ur spending say 30 bucks. I just know for a fact these stock designs will never be consistant.
Yeah I'm in Canada so I bought it through Cabelas. Since it was less the 30days they are going to send me a brand new one from they own stock and I'll take it somewhere to have it properly done. Either get a hole new stock made up for it or make something to securely mount it inside the stock
Bought this rifle two months ago. 7 boxes of ammo through it and it still doesnt keep centre. Stock was replaced once because of the broken little tabs as mentioned in vidéo. Bore sighted....do not buy!!
Killking if you are talking glass bedding you can do either. Wood tends to benefit more since it is a softer material and if over tightened will indent. Neither stock will be a perfect fit until it is properly glass bedded for the action that will be put into it. Once bedded that stock will only be good for that action and will fit like a glove. And since wood tends to expand or contract due to moisture the bedding will also help eliminate this. But plastic stock are never a perfect fit either and will also benefit.
To be honest the axis is not that great. The problem lies in the synthetic stock. The plastic stocks r garbage. Expect for my mark 2 22lr because there's no kick so less likely to break something. You better off if they have it spend more money get a wood stock or special order it. Being the wood is solid more thickness to take the recoil rather than a hollow plastic. Plastic only helps for weight but lacks because u take mor recoil because there's nothing weighing it down
Adam i picked up a remington 700 long range in 7mm mag. Has the bell an carlson m4 stock aluminum block bedded threw on weaver 20moa base weaver 6 screw tactical rings and vortex cross fire 4x12 scope. I will replace scope with viper series in future but i blew most my cash on the build lol
I need to agree with you the axis is a great gun for the money at least mine its a 223 so there's no recoil but it makes about 1-2" group at 200yards I also bought the night train in 308 and my biggest complaint is the scope the cross hairs go blurry for me atleast and the axis sells for 350 and the night train is 600
Scoped pewpew im not really sure about the wood stocks as i have no hands on experience with that rifle. From others comments they seem to be fine so the bedding may be different. If i could get my hands on one id open it up for you. Wish i could have been more help good luck and happy hunting
@@stevehernandez1637 i sure would hope so but before you do any shooting personally right out of the box id pull the action bolts remove the barrel from stock and take a look where the recoil lug sits in the stock. when i did this video i could not beleive the absolue non existance of recoil bracing there was no way yoi could stop that rifle from shifting. keep us posted on your findings and goodluck. i just picked up a howa 1500 grey scale apc chasis i might do a review on.
Same thing happened with mine. I'm going to try and get my money back. I'm a young guy this is my first rifle I bought for myself, and and I made a huge mistake. I don't have the resources to properly bed the rifle, really thought this would have been a nice starting rifle for target shooting. Thank you for this video it confirmed my worst fear but at least its soon enough to get some money back
Well they wont just give u the money back if you call mossberg they tell you to send it in and they will put on a new stock but tell them to refer to my video and they might realize this rifle should have a mass recall. We need more then one person to fight them.
+joshlee van I sent a message to Mossberg referencing your video and a review on the Cabela's Canada site. www.cabelas.ca/product/76991/mossberg-patriot-night-train-ii-iii-bolt-action-rifles-w-scope. I asked why they would put a piece of crap on the market and told them I'd have to think long and hard about buying Mossberg with the crappy customer support that was reported. Thank for saving me from making a big mistake. Sorry you had to go through this with them. Cheers.
Mine shot great. Less then 1 inch groups at 100 but I got like maybe 200 rounds out of it then.... The extractor broke and I tried contact them and they never would help me lol
I've got a Patriot Walnut in 338WM. It has a crossbolt on the recoil lug. I must remove the stock and check out the rear screw. There is a Night Train2 at the LGS that has been calling me like a siren on the rocks, haha. I might hold back on that one. The scope rings are ridiculously high though. I can't imagine what they were thinking when they cmae up with those. I don't think your rifle saw a 'gunsmith' at all. Probably some grunt on the shop floor just bundled it up and sent it back to clear his bench. Bad scene. Apart from the stock problems, there is a lot to like about the rifle. I'm not real keen on the noise maker (muzzle break) but it does look war-ry! I think I'd be taking mine off if I get one.
I also want to add the scope is garbage and will not track properly so now i had to install a new scope i went with vortex. My groups have closed up alot from bedding but scope movements were completely off sometimes none existant. People do not buy this rifle
+joshlee van my dad got me one of these for christmas (he got the regular black synthetic stock version of it not the night train or anything but the rifle) and it works amazing with a Nikon Prostaff riflescope and we havent had any issues yet.
Nice to see a real review. My budget is about $900 so I was looking at getting a Remington 700 VTR in 308. My local gunshop guy is a Savage fan so he suggested their rifles, the 11 to be exact since I am not looking to buy a cheap axis. I think Im gonna buy a Savage 16 light weight hunter, i really like the SS. I saw this rifle too and saw it was around the same price but since the stocks are crap than forget it.
het a laminate boyds in monte carlo, varmint or thumbhole grip for $125 USD, i just got the marine coat with pepper laminate .300 win mag and it didnt come with a scope but its getting a good one.
the plastic stocks for these are just something for now but the wood ones are quite nice, the utg scopes are very good quality for the money and hold zero well but altho i love the 3-12x on my sks i dont know how it would hold up to .300 win mag.
I don't know my friend if I was going to spend $800 on a rifle that I was unfamiliar with I don't think I would go with a Mossberg kind of like them for shotguns . my friend purchased A Ruger Gunsite Scout, Bolt Action, .308 and he loved it of course it seems like you are looking for the 300 win mag I don't even know if the Ruger comes in that caliber. sorry for all your problems with Mossberg
Maybe if you where less fidgety your aim would be less effected. Why are you moving in and out with camera .? I have seen a lot of reviews on the Patriot and know a few people who own one. A few complaints but mostly good commits is what I hear.
I'm not familiar with this model Mossberg, but the Patriot model seems to get good reviews. It is what it is. Lower end budget hunting rifle. I'd buy one for a backup on a hunting trip if my good one had an issue.
Nathan Brown im not sure if its changed but boyds made wood stocks for these when no one else jumped on the train for after market parts. probubly better off getting a boyds stock piller bed and glass bed the stock but after all of that time and money invested to get to shoot on par consistantly and reliably for hundreds of rounds you would be better of stick with savage model 10 or something like that or like i stated before my axis 2 shot like a dream for the price. glass bed a cheap axis 2 turn down trigger pull and you will have a reliable rifle comes already piller beaded. cheers
Think of it this way. You have to buy a new stock, buy a scope mine broke under recoil, the base isnt straight with the bore so you have to compinsate on your windage alot. The rings are way way to high see through rings in this plat form makes bi sense. The after market stock since wood should be piller and glass bedded. So basically.… a whole new rifle.
Also if you really want to save money buy the axis 2 its hands down double the quality of the patriot in any series ya the scope sucks but put that vortex off the mossy on and you will have a reliable consistant weapon. Sub moa is cool but i want something thats capable of sub moa for the life of the rifle and the pillar bedding in the savage axis is worth the money more then the cheap mossberg. Those plastic pieces could brake and next time you go to shoot its all over the place and thats a chance i rather not take when i plan on taking game with my weapon
Saw a used one of these at the store for around $550. My greedy/cheap side kicked in and was like "dude a cheap 300 win mag, get it!". Glad I passed it up after seeing this vid tho.
It is what it is, as the old saying goes you get what you pay for. You shouldn't have to fix anything out of the box. I had the same experience with a Ruger 308 in absolute piece of crap stock but after some bolt work and a MDT chassis which cost more than the rifle my ugly duckling runs like a champ sub MOA all day long. Good luck getting your rig sorted out.
Ranger there stocks are probubly ok. But iv never liked wood personally. Its a soft material it can be over tightned on action screws and messed up. It also is humidity sensitive like all wooded materials it will expand or contract. Are these factors something the normal shooter should care about no. But to spend extra money for a stock that uses old technology is in my opinion throwing money away. I was planning on a long range precision rifle platform tactical which is what this rifle tries to be and fails in many ways. If you want to spend the extra dollars on a wooden stock go for it. But im just saying tou would be better to start off with a whole different rifle then if you are changing it from the ground up.
Absolute liberty my aim is not the question here trust me on this. First off im not an actor and im very uncomfortable on camera, again has nothing to do with my shooting techniques. My trigger pull during my natural exhale pause is quite impressive compared to anyone i have met at the range. My shot anticipation is zero because i show zero fear of my rifles and their recoil. This is all trained shooting technique i have built over years of shooting. Also you like others are stating in general the "patriot" rifle. The patriot rifle has many reviews well yes you are right it does but how many of these are the night train model? Trust me very very few. Also the quilty of these rifles are so poor the scope base screws were not even drilled inline with the bore. My scope canted left like crazy from the bore. So in turn do not question my shooting ability question the lack of quality control down at mossberg.
Basically the rifle has upset me so much after a new scope and 6 different types of ammo i have zero hope for this rifle and im actually selling it and buying a remington 700 LR. Let me know how your walnut stock one shoots. Like i said it could be model specific this is the night train 3 built on patriot platform. I hope you have better luck and i hope this doesnt happen to everyone else.
ok well me i have a mossberg in .308 not a night train but its super good i hit a stick form like 50 yrs away i taken it apart many times never had this happen
Yes but i dont like wool stocks. If thats your thing buy it. Its also not the same model. Theres different patriot models we dont all want the wood one. This ones the tacticool model that fails in every single way
Thanks for the review. I was about to pull the trigger (no pun intended) on buying this same rifle, and your review just changed my mind.
It would be great to know did things get better after you install a new stock and bed it.
Also is this the Night Train or the Night Train II ?
I also have this rifle. I did see your video before I bought it. as soon I I got it,I pulled it apart and lightly sanded the area in front of and on the two plastic pieces. I then filled the area with JB Weld,making a solid gusset. Have had zero issues with the rifle. I pulled the scope off and replaced it before I ever shot it. it's been a good shooter,no complaints.
Terry Swensen great to hear. It's just really terrible to hear how someone spends a decent amount of money for a rifle then has to go home tear it apart and spend time and money making it what it should have been from day one a good reliable shooter
LOL Remington anybody????
I did the same . Hope whoever designed this got fired from his job . I used JB weld and bedded it . Mine is a .300 win mag . no way in hell will those little tabs hold the recoil !
My patriot is in 30/06. I baught it 2 days ago. I fell in love with its beauty. I took it to range this morning to sight it in. After 8 shots i had in in a skoal can size target at 175 yrds. I love it and its the kind of rifel ill hand down to my grand children one day. I was very happy with its performance
This video saved me some cash. I appreciate this review. After watching this I went to a local gunsmith and asked their opinion as well, they said save yourself the headache and stick with a Remington. thanks again boss.
Kevin,
I really appreciate the feed back. Ya im glad you send mossberg a message they need to get the hint. If you hire gun smiths that cant see this is a design flaw then id fire all of em and start over. Heres an update befor i sold this rifle i glass bedded stock built up a wall for recoil lug and built up under rear tang then installed a real scope and was getting 1.5-2" groups i know not the greatest but better then the 8-10 just like the guy on cabelas. Any questions let me know
I just bought the same rifle; although I can't complain I paid 550$ for it. After discovering a similar issue I purchased a new stock, which is something I was going to do anyways, for 100$. The rifle is a very good and accurate rifle for beginners or casual hunters. The longest shot I had able to make with this gun accurately was 800 yards, at that range I had an 8 inch grouping, which I was told is standard for your typically over the counter rifles.
I bought one of these in 308. First thing I did was to take JB Weld and fill in the area behind the plastic ribs for the recoil lug, I also took Blue Magic Quik Steel and used it as a bedding compound for the fore end of the stock. I didn't like the way it flexed. It seems rock solid, am going to the range next week.
It’s been a while @bcompton35603 how did it do? I’m looking at one in 308 as well
I've had this rifle for 8 years and always shoot 3/4 to 1.5 inch groups. Mines the one with the muzzle brake. I've had great much out of mine. It's taken many deer out to 200 yards with off the shelf ammo. Once in a while u do get a bad rifle but 90% of the time it's operator error.
my file is fine too but i replaced the stock and scope rings too just cuz i do that to my guns lol rifle is deadly
Any videos of you putting 2 rounds in a quarter at even a 100 yards ?
His groupings were spreading because it's a light barrel, got too hot too fast...
Question, I bought the Patriot in 30-06 and after taking the action out to look at the block it looks as if those small plastic pieces are forward of the recoil lug and seem to be only guides to slip the recoil lug into place. They don't appear to be taking any of the recoil force at all. In fact the block is built with the forward action screw at it's leading edge surrounded by solid polymer backed by structured polymer to the rear. I'm wondering if some idiot at the factory somehow inserted the recoil lug forward of those guides because it looks as if that's the only way possible for those to break off. Even so, the action screw is set into the block so I don't see how it could be loose in the gun. If you could post a picture of your stocks interior it would help to solve a quandary. I'm wondering if the night train is set up differently from mine. Thanks
+Joshlee Van hey man I just watched your video and I appreciate the review, I traded one of my cheaper AR-15s for this exact rifle in 300 win mag at a gun show a few days ago unaware of this problem so many people are experiencing with this rifle, I have yet to take it to a range. I was planning on doing so tomorrow but I'm reluctant to put any rounds through it now, what would you advise I do with this rifle, buy a different stock for it or just put different bedding in the current stock?
No man your problem is your letting your barrel get hot and it will throw the bullets off your post to shoot 3 shots and let barrel cool
He probably shot 40 rounds of cheap ammo in 40 mins, most people just don't know
yo...I was looking for a starter long range rifle, and was interested in this one specifically. I was wondering do you still have this rifle and did Mossberg replace the plastic parts with better material in this line of rifles since this review....
How has she been for ya as of now? I'm thinking of getting one in Marinecote and get a thumbhole stock from Boyds. So I'm just concerned about overall fit and finish, how reliable it is and how smooth (or rough) the action is, and not the factory rifle stock. I ask because I heard one individual say their bolt broke after 40 rounds, but didn't explain what type of ammo they where using and all the info regarding his rifle, sounds fishy to me. But everyone else says this rifle is excellent.
no problem my friend. and get the axis 2 with adjustable trigger my 270 would shoot 5 shot groups all inside one inch with cheap ammo. it helps to have a good bedding job and the axis has piller bedding. very good for price.
so do you recommend winchester XPR over the moss berg patriot as well?
also thanks for the video :)
Most of the issue you had with the rifle is due to the stock. As an option you could use a nice hard wood slab and cut a stock from it to custom fit the rifle. Wood working isn't really hard and if you measure correctly and base it off of the original stock for shape and size and then do a bedding job I can almost say definitively you would probably have no more issues.
I agree the stock is not of a great quality and could have been better designed. But like you I think the patriot's with the plastic stocks can be made to be an excellent shooting rifle with a little work.
Thanks for the video I will now take down my Patriot and see if it suffered the same issue. I have the black synthetic stock so it is probably a problem of the stock so I will probably opt to make a stock from scratch and bed it correctly. This also gives me the option of buying wood that I get to custom finish making my rifle one of a kind in the process.
No offense but this is why they should continue to make guns with wood stock then there would be no plastic piece in the stock
they do make them with nice wood for a little bit more money
hey joshlee, any updates about the rifle? did you fix it or get a different stock?, im thinking of getting this rifle in 300wm as well.
I like your scope we’re did you get it and how much did it cost and what magnification is it and what is the brand
Got this rifle yesterday, haven't tried it yet. I am not sure if I want to take down the stock yet, hopefully since your problem they have fixed the embeding. I'll keep you posted after i shot a few rounds ! Thanks for the review ;)
Proud canadian whats going on thanks for watching. I actually sold this rifle. No after market support for stocks and being as cheap as the bedding job is i decided its a lost cause. I went with a new remington 700 LR if you want reviews on that let me know
joshlee van boyds gun stocks has stocks for the patriot models
joshlee van boyds makes custom wooden stocks for this rifle. Haven't had any of the issues you talked about on this rifle. Hold consistent half inch groups at 200 yards(limited on long range shooting in Florida). I think you had a bad rifle or something no issues with the scope or anything just dropped a big buck with a double lung shot I think you got a dud or something.
you ever shoot a ruger American rifle? what is your view on it? I like its features better than axis. I like the looks of the patriot in wood stock configuration but if they don't bed them right, its a waste.
TFW modern made guns breaking non stop, but Mosin Nagants made pre-WW2 still functioning.
just curious sir . the problem on the model is on the stock. have you hearded the regular stock have the same problem?(laminATE)
Thanks for the tear down. It was disappointing to see how cheaply the stock was made. Was this the Night Train III model?
jdbucha I dont exactly remember now either the 2 or three but either way I spent alot and sold for alot less lol it is what it is I'd love to review more guns but I would need more support and a dealer to lend me different rifles. If there is a specific make and model I get alot of questions about and wanting in depth reviews I'll see what I can do to make it happen
do you think the regular Mossberg .308 for hunting has the same trouble?
Hey bro, have you ever thought to try a Boyd stock for that rifle? Maybe look that up see what you think as it’s a replacement customized type stock for that rifle and other rifles as well I think they make a stock for just about any rifle but yeah, maybe try a Boyd stock replacement for that.
Do you think getting a custom stock (say Boyds for example) would fix this problem?
I bought a walnut .243 , its a great gun for the price and love shooting it. When I opened the box the clear coat was coming off the walnut. Sent an email and said I couldn't return the gun because hunting season is here. I get an email 2 days later saying they are shipping me a new walnut stock. Good CS for that particular scenario. Nice Video joshlee van. Hate to hear of your issues though
Mike things got a little better grouping did tighten up i built up alot of bedding infront of recoil lug where the two plastic pieces broke and under rear tang. I beleive this was night train 2 it was the new model for 2015. Hope this helps
Glad you put this up, was interested in getting one of these in the next few months, and I'm glad I saw this. Some of the comments say to get the wooden stock version. It's either that or maybe get a Savage or Ruger. Thanks for putting this up!
Are either the Mossberg or the Ruger available in a left hand version for we, the southpaws and left eye dominant shooters of America?
Any ideas if mossberg fixed any issues with the bedding? I'm looking to purchase the mvp flex in 7.62 NATO(308 WIN)but after seeing this video...I'm second guessing the purchase.
Get your self a Kevlar stock. Or a stock that you can glass bed. That one doesn't look like it has enough structure for bedding. Thanks for showing the in sides. I have seen the wood stocks in 30'06 give great accuracy.
One of the Mossberg Patriot models comes with a laminated wood stock, should be tougher than the composite stock...
Love how you hold the rifle by the scope. Poor gun handling. Did you remove clean and remount the rail and rings properly?
I'd be curious to know if mossberg has addressed this issue since the 2015 model. Also from what I've seen the newer night trains come with a barska scope.
I have the same setup rifle what does everyone recommend before going to the range
I know this is an old video. The Mossberg Patriot and Predator rifles do better in a Boyd stock with aluminum pillar bedding, or chassis such as MDT or the daughter company Oryx, where the whole aluminum frame is bedding. This has to do with the rear action screw guide on the factory stock, which has a gap that they refuse to change. The mag well is used as a shim. I have communicated twice with Mossberg and they refused to change.
I like Mossberg for the barreled actions. You simply need to assume that you will be transplanting to a Boyd's stock or to an MDT LSS Gen 2 or an Oryx.
Still a Mossberg fan and I have the 590A1 SPX 12 ga smooth bore.
Bought the savage axis for 290$ was wondered if i should "upgrade" to the patriot? Don't think ill lose that much sleep now. Thanks
Thank you! You saved me a huge amount of money and time.
Glad I got the normal patriot with the laminate stock instead of the night train. Still haven't shot it cause I don't have a scope yet, but I'm confident it's stock is better than the cheap plastic ones
I have that set up as well in ,270 win. I shoot MOA to sub MOA all day long with Hornady Superformance GMX ammo. I have a Vortex Crossfire II 4-16x50 AO scope mounted on it. Very accurate combo. Note: Got the Vortex for $199 and for $80 more you can get custom made turrets for it from Kenton. The link is on the Vortex website,
Thanks man, was just about to buy this rifle. Saved me some money, just going to poney up the money for the Bergara instead
Thanks for your review but I saw it to late I just spent a week trying to track down the rifle I really want and finally was able to get it I pick it up tomorrow it is a Mossberg Patriot laminate marinecote . In .270 Win my question is ! With the laminate stock will I run into the same problem that you did or is just the synthetic has to have that ribbing to strengthen it if anyone can help answer I would really appreciate it Thanks again for your review
Im glad to hear you have no issues. Quick question when you buy the boydes stock ask them how there bedded? They to run no pillars or blocks i called them before. So you are really paying for a stock not much better then what you have. Unless there recoil lug area is built better. You could always glass bed it and do the same thing if saving money is ur goal. Now ur spending say 30 bucks. I just know for a fact these stock designs will never be consistant.
I was researching the Mossberg and after watching your video I went with the Remington 783 instead. Great review man,, thanks.
do you think the walnut stock would have same problem
Yeah I'm in Canada so I bought it through Cabelas. Since it was less the 30days they are going to send me a brand new one from they own stock and I'll take it somewhere to have it properly done. Either get a hole new stock made up for it or make something to securely mount it inside the stock
Now is this problem only with the plastic stock or all of there stocks
Did you return it and get a refund? If not how did you bed it securely?
Bought this rifle two months ago. 7 boxes of ammo through it and it still doesnt keep centre. Stock was replaced once because of the broken little tabs as mentioned in vidéo. Bore sighted....do not buy!!
Good honest unbiased review..thanks!
Killking if you are talking glass bedding you can do either. Wood tends to benefit more since it is a softer material and if over tightened will indent. Neither stock will be a perfect fit until it is properly glass bedded for the action that will be put into it. Once bedded that stock will only be good for that action and will fit like a glove. And since wood tends to expand or contract due to moisture the bedding will also help eliminate this. But plastic stock are never a perfect fit either and will also benefit.
thanks for helping me make my decision. .... I guess in going with the axis... keep up the honest reviews
To be honest the axis is not that great. The problem lies in the synthetic stock. The plastic stocks r garbage. Expect for my mark 2 22lr because there's no kick so less likely to break something. You better off if they have it spend more money get a wood stock or special order it. Being the wood is solid more thickness to take the recoil rather than a hollow plastic. Plastic only helps for weight but lacks because u take mor recoil because there's nothing weighing it down
Chen Keo I got the mossberg patriot (normal model) and its great accuracy is perfect I love it
Adam i picked up a remington 700 long range in 7mm mag. Has the bell an carlson m4 stock aluminum block bedded threw on weaver 20moa base weaver 6 screw tactical rings and vortex cross fire 4x12 scope. I will replace scope with viper series in future but i blew most my cash on the build lol
I need to agree with you the axis is a great gun for the money at least mine its a 223 so there's no recoil but it makes about 1-2" group at 200yards I also bought the night train in 308 and my biggest complaint is the scope the cross hairs go blurry for me atleast and the axis sells for 350 and the night train is 600
Scoped pewpew im not really sure about the wood stocks as i have no hands on experience with that rifle. From others comments they seem to be fine so the bedding may be different. If i could get my hands on one id open it up for you. Wish i could have been more help good luck and happy hunting
I just bought one hopefully they have fixed this issue being 8 years since your review
@@stevehernandez1637 i sure would hope so but before you do any shooting
personally right out of the box id pull the action bolts remove the barrel from stock and take a look where the recoil lug sits in the stock. when i did this video i could not beleive the absolue non existance of recoil bracing there was no way yoi could stop that rifle from shifting. keep us posted on your findings and goodluck.
i just picked up a howa 1500 grey scale apc chasis i might do a review on.
Same thing happened with mine. I'm going to try and get my money back. I'm a young guy this is my first rifle I bought for myself, and and I made a huge mistake. I don't have the resources to properly bed the rifle, really thought this would have been a nice starting rifle for target shooting. Thank you for this video it confirmed my worst fear but at least its soon enough to get some money back
Well they wont just give u the money back if you call mossberg they tell you to send it in and they will put on a new stock but tell them to refer to my video and they might realize this rifle should have a mass recall. We need more then one person to fight them.
+joshlee van I sent a message to Mossberg referencing your video and a review on the Cabela's Canada site. www.cabelas.ca/product/76991/mossberg-patriot-night-train-ii-iii-bolt-action-rifles-w-scope.
I asked why they would put a piece of crap on the market and told them I'd have to think long and hard about buying Mossberg with the crappy customer support that was reported. Thank for saving me from making a big mistake. Sorry you had to go through this with them.
Cheers.
Do you have to embed a woodstock or just plastic stocks
Mine shot great. Less then 1 inch groups at 100 but I got like maybe 200 rounds out of it then.... The extractor broke and I tried contact them and they never would help me lol
Thanks for this video! I was deciding between an axis and a patriot and you made my mind for me. Thank you!!!!
I've got a Patriot Walnut in 338WM. It has a crossbolt on the recoil lug. I must remove the stock and check out the rear screw. There is a Night Train2 at the LGS that has been calling me like a siren on the rocks, haha. I might hold back on that one. The scope rings are ridiculously high though. I can't imagine what they were thinking when they cmae up with those. I don't think your rifle saw a 'gunsmith' at all. Probably some grunt on the shop floor just bundled it up and sent it back to clear his bench. Bad scene. Apart from the stock problems, there is a lot to like about the rifle. I'm not real keen on the noise maker (muzzle break) but it does look war-ry! I think I'd be taking mine off if I get one.
I also want to add the scope is garbage and will not track properly so now i had to install a new scope i went with vortex. My groups have closed up alot from bedding but scope movements were completely off sometimes none existant. People do not buy this rifle
+joshlee van my dad got me one of these for christmas (he got the regular black synthetic stock version of it not the night train or anything but the rifle) and it works amazing with a Nikon Prostaff riflescope and we havent had any issues yet.
Buy one with the walnut stock and you will have no problems what so ever. I have on and it shoots sub MOA all the time.
Nice to see a real review. My budget is about $900 so I was looking at getting a Remington 700 VTR in 308. My local gunshop guy is a Savage fan so he suggested their rifles, the 11 to be exact since I am not looking to buy a cheap axis. I think Im gonna buy a Savage 16 light weight hunter, i really like the SS. I saw this rifle too and saw it was around the same price but since the stocks are crap than forget it.
Nick Mahonski this isn't a real review hes the only person ive seen with this issue with the night train.
i just got the wooden stock 308. I don't see much room to bed it. I'm going to get with my school SDI about bedding it.
het a laminate boyds in monte carlo, varmint or thumbhole grip for $125 USD, i just got the marine coat with pepper laminate .300 win mag and it didnt come with a scope but its getting a good one.
the plastic stocks for these are just something for now but the wood ones are quite nice, the utg scopes are very good quality for the money and hold zero well but altho i love the 3-12x on my sks i dont know how it would hold up to .300 win mag.
I have not had the opportunity to shoot the ruger american. I have a stag model 3 and shield performance center that i might do videos on.
I own two Americans a 30-06 and rim fire 22. Nice guns especially the American Rimfire
joshlee van do you think the walnut stock would have same problem as synthetic for the patriot
I don't know my friend if I was going to spend $800 on a rifle that I was unfamiliar with I don't think I would go with a Mossberg kind of like them for shotguns . my friend purchased A Ruger Gunsite Scout, Bolt Action, .308 and he loved it of course it seems like you are looking for the 300 win mag I don't even know if the Ruger comes in that caliber. sorry for all your problems with Mossberg
Maybe if you where less fidgety your aim would be less effected. Why are you moving in and out with camera .? I have seen a lot of reviews on the Patriot and know a few people who own one. A few complaints but mostly good commits is what I hear.
I'm not familiar with this model Mossberg, but the Patriot model seems to get good reviews. It is what it is. Lower end budget hunting rifle. I'd buy one for a backup on a hunting trip if my good one had an issue.
just bought one will let you know how it shoots
I just opened up my never shot rifle and it’s broken on one of the two sides.. wtf?!
Do you happen to know if an aftermarket stock can be purchased?
Nathan Brown im not sure if its changed but boyds made wood stocks for these when no one else jumped on the train for after market parts. probubly better off getting a boyds stock piller bed and glass bed the stock but after all of that time and money invested to get to shoot on par consistantly and reliably for hundreds of rounds you would be better of stick with savage model 10 or something like that or like i stated before my axis 2 shot like a dream for the price. glass bed a cheap axis 2 turn down trigger pull and you will have a reliable rifle comes already piller beaded. cheers
Think of it this way. You have to buy a new stock, buy a scope mine broke under recoil, the base isnt straight with the bore so you have to compinsate on your windage alot. The rings are way way to high see through rings in this plat form makes bi sense. The after market stock since wood should be piller and glass bedded. So basically.… a whole new rifle.
All the videos I have seen show just the opposite several showed half inch at a hundred yards could be the forty pound scope you are using
No updates?...
I know that if you went back to Mossberg that a resolution was eventually reached.
i bought one in .300 win mag and put it through hell with 50 rds none stop no problems on the new gen
how is ur rifle dong now?
That’s why I bought mine in a wood stock configuration and as long as the stocks milled right it should be fine
Also if you really want to save money buy the axis 2 its hands down double the quality of the patriot in any series ya the scope sucks but put that vortex off the mossy on and you will have a reliable consistant weapon. Sub moa is cool but i want something thats capable of sub moa for the life of the rifle and the pillar bedding in the savage axis is worth the money more then the cheap mossberg. Those plastic pieces could brake and next time you go to shoot its all over the place and thats a chance i rather not take when i plan on taking game with my weapon
Excellent Review for a 1st review
How did you bed the rifle?
So what we have is a cluster.....right?
Well... where's the follow up video?
so can you get custom wood stocks for this gun?
Saw a used one of these at the store for around $550. My greedy/cheap side kicked in and was like "dude a cheap 300 win mag, get it!". Glad I passed it up after seeing this vid tho.
I was going to buy this rifle but, after seeing all these reviews and finally yours, I have decided not to. Thanks for the review!
It is what it is, as the old saying goes you get what you pay for. You shouldn't have to fix anything out of the box. I had the same experience with a Ruger 308 in absolute piece of crap stock but after some bolt work and a MDT chassis which cost more than the rifle my ugly duckling runs like a champ sub MOA all day long. Good luck getting your rig sorted out.
Thank you austin. I appreciate the feedback and you are correct mossberg should have just stayed in shotguns.
Ranger there stocks are probubly ok. But iv never liked wood personally. Its a soft material it can be over tightned on action screws and messed up. It also is humidity sensitive like all wooded materials it will expand or contract. Are these factors something the normal shooter should care about no. But to spend extra money for a stock that uses old technology is in my opinion throwing money away. I was planning on a long range precision rifle platform tactical which is what this rifle tries to be and fails in many ways. If you want to spend the extra dollars on a wooden stock go for it. But im just saying tou would be better to start off with a whole different rifle then if you are changing it from the ground up.
Thanks for this review.
Absolute liberty my aim is not the question here trust me on this. First off im not an actor and im very uncomfortable on camera, again has nothing to do with my shooting techniques. My trigger pull during my natural exhale pause is quite impressive compared to anyone i have met at the range. My shot anticipation is zero because i show zero fear of my rifles and their recoil. This is all trained shooting technique i have built over years of shooting. Also you like others are stating in general the "patriot" rifle. The patriot rifle has many reviews well yes you are right it does but how many of these are the night train model? Trust me very very few. Also the quilty of these rifles are so poor the scope base screws were not even drilled inline with the bore. My scope canted left like crazy from the bore. So in turn do not question my shooting ability question the lack of quality control down at mossberg.
Basically the rifle has upset me so much after a new scope and 6 different types of ammo i have zero hope for this rifle and im actually selling it and buying a remington 700 LR. Let me know how your walnut stock one shoots. Like i said it could be model specific this is the night train 3 built on patriot platform. I hope you have better luck and i hope this doesnt happen to everyone else.
ok well me i have a mossberg in .308 not a night train but its super good i hit a stick form like 50 yrs away i taken it apart many times never had this happen
Yes but i dont like wool stocks. If thats your thing buy it. Its also not the same model. Theres different patriot models we dont all want the wood one. This ones the tacticool model that fails in every single way
very useful information. I guess I will stick with Browning as I was looking at this rifle for its features vs price..