Great video, i love watching these fiddling around and just enjoying messing with macbook videos. I have a small collection of macbooks i've fixed up and love putting videos like these on while i'm doing mine and just chill
They don't desolder themselves, the chips are just defective. If it was the ball grid array it would be permanently fixed by a reball but it never is. The connection of the GPU silicon to its substrate is an even smaller BGA that is extremely brittle and has to be reinforced with underfill material. A lot of GPUs back then used the wrong underfill which becomes soft at temperatures below the max operating temp of the GPU in a laptop.
@cynonexus Those are probably the same exact thing. 2008 GeForce models definitely, at least NVIDIA actually made new chips with the right materials, they got sued and had to pay damages to everyone who bought a laptop with an affected GPU. Also both the phat Xbox 360 and PS3 (except the last 2 phat revisions, they have new GPUs) mostly die from the same defect. It was a big ass problem. Somehow AMD just kept making defective GPUs until 2012.
@@login415 I tried sonoma for a bit with OpenCore but it was running super hot and the battery died super quickly. Now I’m using High Sierra and it works perfectly. You do need old versions of apps though.
Love your videos mate. I'm on a 2011 13" MacBook Pro running MX Linux, and it's so good! Tried to do OpenCore Legacy Patcher with Sequoia with this old guy, and due to HD 3000 iGPUs being non-metal and everything basically rendering in software rendering mode, it was rough. Constant 80-100C temps. Firefox running quite shit. Everything's been wonderfully snappy on the MX Linux side. Temperatures are quite cool. Might want to try doing a PTM7950 pads change on this one.
@@cynonexus Ventura seems to require AVX2.0 instruction set which wasn't present on Intel chips until the Haswell (4th gen). My 2011 MacBook Pro 8,1 is a Sandy Bridge, so two generations behind. Going back an OS revision, it seems like Monterey might be safe --- EDIT: I'm now thoroughly confused. Will try driving a bunch of older OSes til I can get it just right.
Ended up getting an Ivy Bridge mid-2012 MacBook Pro for around $40 in really good nick (just some elbow grease to remove stickers, remove oxidation from lid with a magic eraser) and added in an SSD. Because it's a "Legacy Metal" system, everything works perfectly in this device on sequoia using OCLP. The late-2011 model that I was using will unfortunately need to remain on high sierra, and use modern browsers like Basilisk which supports hardware acceleration via OpenGL. Perhaps I will get a HDD caddy and add another HDD for linux.
i have to th 2015 15 inch core 15, running high seirra i can t even open messages cause it NNEDS to run on the dedicated gpu and when it switches over even with that program to where you can tell it to run on intel gpu only or switch it will swtich and the reboot the laptop
Yeah the dedicated GPUs in those can be a pain when you run a newer macOS because the computer needs to work harder… but maybe you also just need a restore since you’re only at sierra
For those older non-metal macs i recommend you reduce transparency and motion, and also disable effects like changing the genie minimize animation to the other one. It wont look as pretty but it will run much better from experience
@for good measure i also disable beta blur from the oclp settings since it can cause slowdowns too although it can cause some graphical glitches. I also completely disable spotlight indexing and the actual process itself from the terminal since i only use it to open applications, i changed the cmd+space keybind to open launchpad instead. You can also disable other services you need, like universal control wasnt enabled yet it was still eating up cpu usage so i permanently disabled it with launchctl Im running a 2011 air on monterey and this made it run super well despite its age, many applications open almost instantly and the system itself doesnt lag nearly as much. Same goes for my 2010 mac mini also on monterey
The Butterfly Keyboard replacements were different from the originals for the 2016 models, said to be the updated version 2. I had my MacBook Pro 2016 keyboard replaced because a went to Apple to replace the battery and they basically replaced the whole top case. I can tell the keys feel different from the original. The display replacement though, it’s still the same, the ribbon cable could still be worn out again. That’s why I decided to never buy a laptop again and go all in on Mac minis and iPads instead.
They all go bad at the end of the day unfortunately, different revisions but didn’t solve the problem permanently… Could’ve easily have designed it better, 2019 MacBooks came with regular keys…
Since a few months the Google Chrome app has been doing this on my 2009 17" MacBook running Monterey, it's not a graphics thing because I had my capacitor replaced in July, I switched to using Safari and increased my battery life on the old battery, I can get about 4 hours of youtube watching on it now. I think the only reason to get a 2011 model would be for the 17" version, the strange thing is this 2011 seems to be around the same speed as my 2009 17" MacBook. Google Chrome now only works when zoomed out and not in full screen mode which is so weird. By the way, check the output speaker setting, mine randomly changed the setting to the left speaker being louder, it wasn't super noticeable when listening with speakers but very noticeable when listening with headphones, i thought my headphones were broken and bought new ones only to discover the same issue so i went to check and it was a speaker balance issue.
I used my 2010 15" MBP up until about 2020. I fixed the gpu panic issue and did all the upgrades I could over the years. It served me very well but Its age finally started to show and the aftermarket battery died so I finally retired it.
@@cynonexus That was literally just one completely standard capacitor that would go bad somehow. You can always rely on Apple to have a chronic fatal flaw with the motherboard every other generation.
funnily enough i have 2 of these. one has a dead gpu but it works otherwise but the other one i have is headless as it dosent detect an internal display but the GPU works for now untill it melts itself to death. i have put on an airflow focused bottom cover and repasted it to hopefully keep it working for a while now. both are mid tier models with the 2.2ghz i7 and the high end HD6750m for maximum gpu meltin action lmao
@cynonexus great since i got one for dirt cheap 40 bucks, with a charger, it has cosmetic damage and cracked glass, but it works perfectly, upgraded it to 8gb of ram and an ssd
On macs without dedicated AMD graphics, most of the advanced graphical effects should be disabled. Also due to this being unoffical code, you may run into problems with security updates and certain features within the operating system, so its best to leave it as is and just use a pre 2017 mac for general basic use (ie. not gaming, video editing or 3d rendering)
How are you able to use macOS Monterey on a 2011 MacBook Pro? When the MacBook Pro was no longer supported after 2017-18. Oh, you just used OpenCore Legacy Patcher
I'd suggest you resize the partition of OSX, and also install Linux Mint on it. It will work out of the box and you will have a modern OS with the latest updates on it. Old OSX versions have security flaws that haven't been fixed until later versions. Problem with later versions of osx, installed via hacks, is that they create new bugs. So, linux mint is your best bet. BTW, if you encounter system crashes with linux, use a usb wifi adapter, the old broadcomm chips have a bug that linux triggers.
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Great video, i love watching these fiddling around and just enjoying messing with macbook videos. I have a small collection of macbooks i've fixed up and love putting videos like these on while i'm doing mine and just chill
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it! More to come!
I really like your edits...they way you jump from one scene to another is really great during deconstruction or reconstruction.
Thanks, I'm always trying to make my videos more engaging!
They don't desolder themselves, the chips are just defective. If it was the ball grid array it would be permanently fixed by a reball but it never is. The connection of the GPU silicon to its substrate is an even smaller BGA that is extremely brittle and has to be reinforced with underfill material. A lot of GPUs back then used the wrong underfill which becomes soft at temperatures below the max operating temp of the GPU in a laptop.
Thanks for the clarification! I must’ve mixed it up with the 2007 mbps
@cynonexus Those are probably the same exact thing. 2008 GeForce models definitely, at least NVIDIA actually made new chips with the right materials, they got sued and had to pay damages to everyone who bought a laptop with an affected GPU. Also both the phat Xbox 360 and PS3 (except the last 2 phat revisions, they have new GPUs) mostly die from the same defect. It was a big ass problem. Somehow AMD just kept making defective GPUs until 2012.
Nice video :-)
@@laskholtthanks!
Currently watching this on a 2011 13 inch MacBook Pro. Still a super smooth experience.
Still decent!
What version of macOS are you running?
@@login415 I tried sonoma for a bit with OpenCore but it was running super hot and the battery died super quickly. Now I’m using High Sierra and it works perfectly. You do need old versions of apps though.
Cool mac video!😁
Thanks! 😁
They fixed the ATI/AMD non-metal driver glitches in Ventura with OCLP. Ventura is the last really decent OS with nonmetal btw
Will try Ventura
Man looks like you have my luck... subbed
Big fan! Been watching you for years now!
@@cynonexus Awe :) thanks bud
Love your videos mate. I'm on a 2011 13" MacBook Pro running MX Linux, and it's so good! Tried to do OpenCore Legacy Patcher with Sequoia with this old guy, and due to HD 3000 iGPUs being non-metal and everything basically rendering in software rendering mode, it was rough. Constant 80-100C temps. Firefox running quite shit. Everything's been wonderfully snappy on the MX Linux side. Temperatures are quite cool. Might want to try doing a PTM7950 pads change on this one.
I can’t even imagine Sonoma but I’m sure Ventura isn’t too bad
@@cynonexus Ventura seems to require AVX2.0 instruction set which wasn't present on Intel chips until the Haswell (4th gen). My 2011 MacBook Pro 8,1 is a Sandy Bridge, so two generations behind. Going back an OS revision, it seems like Monterey might be safe --- EDIT: I'm now thoroughly confused. Will try driving a bunch of older OSes til I can get it just right.
Ended up getting an Ivy Bridge mid-2012 MacBook Pro for around $40 in really good nick (just some elbow grease to remove stickers, remove oxidation from lid with a magic eraser) and added in an SSD. Because it's a "Legacy Metal" system, everything works perfectly in this device on sequoia using OCLP. The late-2011 model that I was using will unfortunately need to remain on high sierra, and use modern browsers like Basilisk which supports hardware acceleration via OpenGL. Perhaps I will get a HDD caddy and add another HDD for linux.
i have to th 2015 15 inch core 15, running high seirra i can t even open messages cause it NNEDS to run on the dedicated gpu and when it switches over even with that program to where you can tell it to run on intel gpu only or switch it will swtich and the reboot the laptop
Yeah the dedicated GPUs in those can be a pain when you run a newer macOS because the computer needs to work harder… but maybe you also just need a restore since you’re only at sierra
For those older non-metal macs i recommend you reduce transparency and motion, and also disable effects like changing the genie minimize animation to the other one. It wont look as pretty but it will run much better from experience
100%
@for good measure i also disable beta blur from the oclp settings since it can cause slowdowns too although it can cause some graphical glitches. I also completely disable spotlight indexing and the actual process itself from the terminal since i only use it to open applications, i changed the cmd+space keybind to open launchpad instead. You can also disable other services you need, like universal control wasnt enabled yet it was still eating up cpu usage so i permanently disabled it with launchctl
Im running a 2011 air on monterey and this made it run super well despite its age, many applications open almost instantly and the system itself doesnt lag nearly as much. Same goes for my 2010 mac mini also on monterey
@choonkyI’m going to take note of this, doing a 1 week challenge of using it!
The Butterfly Keyboard replacements were different from the originals for the 2016 models, said to be the updated version 2. I had my MacBook Pro 2016 keyboard replaced because a went to Apple to replace the battery and they basically replaced the whole top case. I can tell the keys feel different from the original. The display replacement though, it’s still the same, the ribbon cable could still be worn out again. That’s why I decided to never buy a laptop again and go all in on Mac minis and iPads instead.
They all go bad at the end of the day unfortunately, different revisions but didn’t solve the problem permanently… Could’ve easily have designed it better, 2019 MacBooks came with regular keys…
The 2012s also support 3.0 USB, that is a very big difference
Indeed!
How about putting 2012 logic board in the 2011 body?
easy solution if you find one thats well priced!
Im planing buy this year MacBook Pro 15 inches core i7 with 8gb ram and 1tb hdd but the question it is worth it now to buy?😊
just be wary of the consequences of that graphics!
This macbook pro is good for programing and editing adobe Photoshop?
Next video coming up with this question answered!
Since a few months the Google Chrome app has been doing this on my 2009 17" MacBook running Monterey, it's not a graphics thing because I had my capacitor replaced in July, I switched to using Safari and increased my battery life on the old battery, I can get about 4 hours of youtube watching on it now. I think the only reason to get a 2011 model would be for the 17" version, the strange thing is this 2011 seems to be around the same speed as my 2009 17" MacBook. Google Chrome now only works when zoomed out and not in full screen mode which is so weird. By the way, check the output speaker setting, mine randomly changed the setting to the left speaker being louder, it wasn't super noticeable when listening with speakers but very noticeable when listening with headphones, i thought my headphones were broken and bought new ones only to discover the same issue so i went to check and it was a speaker balance issue.
I agree! 17” would be the reason to go for the 2011, thanks for watching!
Still use several of these to copy over VHS and other recordings via Elgato software. Quick, easy and effective.
Still a fantastic machine!
I used my 2010 15" MBP up until about 2020. I fixed the gpu panic issue and did all the upgrades I could over the years. It served me very well but Its age finally started to show and the aftermarket battery died so I finally retired it.
Gpu panics were a pain with the 2010s but not as bad as the graphics, I think they still have quite a bit of life as a movie machine
@@cynonexus That was literally just one completely standard capacitor that would go bad somehow. You can always rely on Apple to have a chronic fatal flaw with the motherboard every other generation.
If the GPU craps out on you, swap the logic board with one from a 2012 unibody. That’d be a cool video.
I use the term “cool” very liberally, I admit.
Would love to but I already have a 2012 15” pre retina mbp! But if prices are right for one I’d switch it right away!
I also run bare metal linux on the 2011 17 inch macbooks. Its so good
It's a great way to breathe new life into an older machine
I run sonoma and sequoia on all of my unibody macs. Never had any issues
If that’s the case, it’s time to try it out!
funnily enough i have 2 of these. one has a dead gpu but it works otherwise but the other one i have is headless as it dosent detect an internal display but the GPU works for now untill it melts itself to death. i have put on an airflow focused bottom cover and repasted it to hopefully keep it working for a while now. both are mid tier models with the 2.2ghz i7 and the high end HD6750m for maximum gpu meltin action lmao
I had a high end one not too long ago, gave it to my dad after reflowing, so far still works
does the 13-inch one have any reliability issues?
@iSamYTBackup nope very reliable, 13” models only have integrated graphics…
@cynonexus
great since i got one for dirt cheap
40 bucks, with a charger, it has cosmetic damage and cracked glass, but it works perfectly, upgraded it to 8gb of ram and an ssd
@iSamYTBackupparts are cheap for it now, I say keep it, it’s a fantastic machine still…
On macs without dedicated AMD graphics, most of the advanced graphical effects should be disabled. Also due to this being unoffical code, you may run into problems with security updates and certain features within the operating system, so its best to leave it as is and just use a pre 2017 mac for general basic use (ie. not gaming, video editing or 3d rendering)
indeed!
How are you able to use macOS Monterey on a 2011 MacBook Pro? When the MacBook Pro was no longer supported after 2017-18.
Oh, you just used OpenCore Legacy Patcher
@@Abhinava_Playz_YT opencore legacy patcher 👆
@@cynonexus yep
Intel Macs are great if your expectations are low or if you like tinkering. No more tinkering after 2016, really
Agree! Plus windows support which is the reason I haven’t moved to the newer M chips
No. it's literal garbage. Intel macs suck.
If the Apple silicon Macs can support windows then I would say they are garbage but they’re not for that reason.
@@cynonexuswindows is prone to problems anyway
I'd suggest you resize the partition of OSX, and also install Linux Mint on it. It will work out of the box and you will have a modern OS with the latest updates on it. Old OSX versions have security flaws that haven't been fixed until later versions. Problem with later versions of osx, installed via hacks, is that they create new bugs. So, linux mint is your best bet. BTW, if you encounter system crashes with linux, use a usb wifi adapter, the old broadcomm chips have a bug that linux triggers.
I actually have Linux mint on one of my 2009 MacBooks, need to try it on this one.