Probably not absuing diuretics, ending up flat as fuck. I don't really like modern drug regiments, they always get exposed compared to 90s guys. Longer dieting with more effort always reaps benefits compared to shorter dieting with heavier diuretics, because you lose disproportionally more water than fat. Modern BBs think it's conditioning when you have glutes and hamstrings, even if they're lineated (Cutler did some surgeries specifically for that). In the real word, a stirated chest and delt will show the difference between the boys and men. Just look at modern bodybuilding with Michal Krizo vs literally everybody else and you'll see the difference between low body fat and low water levels. Low water has been overrated for a long time. Taking a diuretic and looking flat and stringy is not an achievement. I don't care if you suffered through it, it still looks like shit. It's not the same level of suffering as going through an extra 4 weeks of chicken, broccoli rice and getting a really shredded physique.
@@gameurai5701 It's the arbitrary weight requirements in classic physique. Before working with Hany, Cbum was crashing into the show and looking flat and stringy baby please.
Shawn is just on another level. He's far fuller, has better insertions, he has no weak body parts, aesthetics are as good as they can get, his mid section is perfect. He's pretty much flawless.
@@A-11sr Wesley has nothing over Bumstead, the only thing about him and the hype around him is his vain resemblance to Arnold, which is why so many people are biased towards Wesley to begin with. Wide waist, high lats, not filled out because of the weight cap, not properly conditioned compared to the rest of the lineup, lagging legs.
@@dj_m19 personally i dont get this... wesley is way bigger than bum in chest back arms... maybe some inches more on the waist and few less on the quads.... Wesley kinda disappoint on conditioning and thats why he loses... and I also thinks that Bum quads are disproportionate... an argument can be pointed out also about the first losses of Breon... proportions are important, dont get me wrong but making someone loss because of his height is simply incomprehensible
Cbum looks great, but Shawn is almost flawless as a whole!!! His physique flows so good! He looks classic, even being like 20 pounds too heavy for his height/weight cut-off😎💪🏾
6-2 to Shawn in the mandatory poses...but given it is different years for Ray, 5-3 seems fair. CBum has some good poses...he would still be using Shawn as a template to improve though, rather than the other way round. All hail King Ray 🤴 🙌
The difference between an imposing physique and a complete physique. Shawn is on a wholenother level. They only thing I would put more of in Shawn's body would be more overall deltoid mass. Thats it.
Yes I think it's good you chose all the 2020 shots of Chris because I that was his best conditioning & lines wise so far, hopefully he improves on that this year.
Shawn would definitely not make weight but that extra muscle on his frame really helps with his striations and fullness, I think he takes it 😮 and I’m a Chris Bumstead fanboy
I think its safe to call Chris a bodybuilder..Actually anyone that worksout and takes care of themselves would be considered a bodybuilder. I mean you're building a body..Just not a professional ..
@@Felale it existed but was brand new, if you go and look up the exact competition which Bumstead won his pro card in, there was some other guy who was 1st in the classic division.
the term "bodybuilder" can be used in different context. in this context since both of them compete/d as professionals, we can't call Bumstead a bb-er since he competes in the classic physique division. Only men's open get to be called bb-ers, the same way they are the only ones that are called "Mr. Olympia". Bumstead isn't a Mr. O, he's a classic division champion.
In the most muscular, you can clearly see the Chris used Synthol or some other site-enhancemant on his delts and triceps. Shawn is next level. Not a drop of oil in his muscles.
I'm re subscribing No offence MMM I unsubscribed because of my damn injury which has stopped me from working out for years now Felt like I was just winding myself with all the bodybuilding content 😂 Thoroughly enjoy your take
Shawn just has a beautiful frame and flow’s nice, proportions are like a statue , or maybe because cbum is TOO lean , like they say too much of anything is bad, like markus ruhl he had so much muscle but never won
The comparisons after this year with Cbum coming in a little heavier will be much different I think. Still using the outdated Cbum pics for comparisons too I see.
Dude im kinda tired of this disrespect towards dudes who are legends. There is no way on gods green earth Ray at his peak is losing to chris. Marx is right on the money with this. The back double bi Ray has so much more detail and thickness and the arms are better. If you are going to consider the hamstrings so much than you gotta consider the arms more if the shot is called double back bi. Its absolutely ridiculous how people make a bigger deal out of the hamstrings than the arms in a shot that is called the double back bi. The new age bodybuilding fans crack me up. The side chest pose even somehow the hamstring and the leg from the side which doesnt mean anything means more to them than the arms. No body does bodybuilding so they can show off the wheels. Retarded fans have ruined a lot of the sport. Its somehow a hamstring competition in the double back bi and side chest.
Modern bodybuilding is very distorted. Men compete and arms are magically not as important. You can even win a Mr. Olympia with zero wrist flexors, zero wrist extensors, zero brachioradialis and subpar biceps, triceps, brachialis and deltoids. (Hadi). Arms is the biggest difference between a male and a female musculature. It's so obvious. Not only that, most male competitors nowadays have overgrown glutes and quads like this is the wellness division. It has been so distorted with male bodybuilders with femenine proportions, inflamed, shiny pointy bodyparts (Hadi again, the champ!) and just plain ugly muscle parts as seen here with Bumsteads biceps, deformed quads and the ball in his right hamstring, it's insane that's so hard to find actual masculine/strong looking physiques anymore. Krizo and Wesley Vissers are examples of what I just explained. Just perfect examples of how the male body should look like at it's maximum, exaggerated (drugs) potential. (Imagine those bodies with normal sizes) Most competitors today have deformed, ugly physiques.
what the pose or an entire round is called has very little to do with anything. Your entire physique is being judged, top to bottom. Yes, some body parts are "more important" than others in a given pose, but you get the point. Back double biceps is essentially what the judges tell the competitors to let them know from which area (front, side or rear) and in what matter they want to see their physique. They wouldn't tell them rear glute spread or rear back hamstring flex because that makes no sense. Let's take the most muscular pose. What is it about? There's no "back double, front double bicep, front lat spread" in there, is there? and yet we know what they're looking for in that pose, no matter what it's called. The same way the symmetry pose is not about symmetry either. At least not fully. Not even half.
then you have the infamous "posing round". All that needs to be said is that Sergio Oliva got the award for the best poser of the competition at the 2020 Arnold's classic but placed 6th or 7th in the posing round itself. How? because "posing round" isn't only about the posing itself, you can be the best poser in the world and still lose that round if your physique isn't up to par.
Shawn Ray was great in 1997, should have maybe won this year. Dorian was afraid of Shawn this year as a number one threat. People always talk how Nasser was robbed. I dont think so, but Shawn deserved more.
These guys are great and in the beginning of the video Chris is lacking in calves and chest although has great lat to waist ratio and clavicle width... Even without watching the rest of the video Sean is more balanced and developed... With better overall symmetry...
Yeah this guy who makes weird annoying voices in his videos is simply biased towards his fellow canadian. Shawn ray took this one even with non HD photos.
There is no way Cbum can compete with Shawn Ray, he's way too big, way too full. Cbum has a better structure by far, much, much wider shoulders and he's also very well proportioned, but the muscle bellies and size of Shawn Ray is just far too much. Cbum has the clavicles or shoulder width and therefore V-taper, Shawn Ray everything else, including posing. He was far more agile and artistic than Cbum.
There’s a quality about Shawn’s physique that just looks better.
Probably not absuing diuretics, ending up flat as fuck. I don't really like modern drug regiments, they always get exposed compared to 90s guys. Longer dieting with more effort always reaps benefits compared to shorter dieting with heavier diuretics, because you lose disproportionally more water than fat.
Modern BBs think it's conditioning when you have glutes and hamstrings, even if they're lineated (Cutler did some surgeries specifically for that). In the real word, a stirated chest and delt will show the difference between the boys and men. Just look at modern bodybuilding with Michal Krizo vs literally everybody else and you'll see the difference between low body fat and low water levels.
Low water has been overrated for a long time. Taking a diuretic and looking flat and stringy is not an achievement. I don't care if you suffered through it, it still looks like shit. It's not the same level of suffering as going through an extra 4 weeks of chicken, broccoli rice and getting a really shredded physique.
@@gameurai5701 100%
@@gameurai5701 It's the arbitrary weight requirements in classic physique. Before working with Hany, Cbum was crashing into the show and looking flat and stringy baby please.
Yes, More grainy.
He looks/ed better as an Open bb but Cbum looks more Classic.
Shawn is just on another level. He's far fuller, has better insertions, he has no weak body parts, aesthetics are as good as they can get, his mid section is perfect. He's pretty much flawless.
I'd give this to Shawn Ray.
Shawn will always be in my top 5 of all time. SUPERB physique. Im also a big fan of Chris. Both have great physiques
As far as classic physique criterias Bumstead will win... as far as bodybuilding criterias Shawn is on another level
W.O.R.D
For me Wesley has got much better classic physique than Bumstead.
Here Shawn Ray is just better than Bumstead.
@@chandramohanbisht7316 i prefer too Wesley... he loses from a condition stat point againts Bum...
@@A-11sr Wesley has nothing over Bumstead, the only thing about him and the hype around him is his vain resemblance to Arnold, which is why so many people are biased towards Wesley to begin with.
Wide waist, high lats, not filled out because of the weight cap, not properly conditioned compared to the rest of the lineup, lagging legs.
@@dj_m19 personally i dont get this... wesley is way bigger than bum in chest back arms... maybe some inches more on the waist and few less on the quads.... Wesley kinda disappoint on conditioning and thats why he loses... and I also thinks that Bum quads are disproportionate... an argument can be pointed out also about the first losses of Breon... proportions are important, dont get me wrong but making someone loss because of his height is simply incomprehensible
Cbum looks great, but Shawn is almost flawless as a whole!!! His physique flows so good! He looks classic, even being like 20 pounds too heavy for his height/weight cut-off😎💪🏾
Shawn Ray is just incredible.
Shawn win, he win pretty much every poses, exept BLS......but Shawn's lats start from his looower back.
CBum’s physique looks kinda goofy imo, very high lats ruin his physique.
I would hardly call those high lats compared to most guys they’re pretty good
2:45 those are not high lats whatsoever, you're tripping
Shawn ray destroys Overrated skinny arms chris bumstead
Finnally someome said it
Shawn Ray had an absolutely incredible physique!
6-2 to Shawn in the mandatory poses...but given it is different years for Ray, 5-3 seems fair. CBum has some good poses...he would still be using Shawn as a template to improve though, rather than the other way round. All hail King Ray 🤴 🙌
Ray all day!
Shawn Ray would have been a great Mr. Olympia especially in 1992!!!
not good enough
Really? 1992? What about 94 & 96 when he bested Dorian and his torn bicep?
The difference between an imposing physique and a complete physique.
Shawn is on a wholenother level. They only thing I would put more of in Shawn's body would be more overall deltoid mass. Thats it.
Tall classic guys don't have weight to play with to be as "complete" as the old guys.
Yes I think it's good you chose all the 2020 shots of Chris because I that was his best conditioning & lines wise so far, hopefully he improves on that this year.
Shawn would have been to heavy for Classic.
Shawn Ray hands down
Shawn would definitely not make weight but that extra muscle on his frame really helps with his striations and fullness, I think he takes it 😮 and I’m a Chris Bumstead fanboy
Shawn Ray
Shawn Ray would be 212 champ. He competed around 210lbs
Shawn Ray >> cbum
debate is over 💪
Shawn in that last hands clasped most muscular shot is lights out.
I think its safe to call Chris a bodybuilder..Actually anyone that worksout and takes care of themselves would be considered a bodybuilder. I mean you're building a body..Just not a professional ..
Especially because he became a pro in bodybuilding before classic existed.
@@Felale it existed but was brand new, if you go and look up the exact competition which Bumstead won his pro card in, there was some other guy who was 1st in the classic division.
the term "bodybuilder" can be used in different context.
in this context since both of them compete/d as professionals, we can't call Bumstead a bb-er since he competes in the classic physique division.
Only men's open get to be called bb-ers, the same way they are the only ones that are called "Mr. Olympia". Bumstead isn't a Mr. O, he's a classic division champion.
Very interesting contest! Love it
Shawn Ray is definitely NOT making weight for Classic. He’s what, 5’6”? His weight limit is much lower than 210, not even 200 so he’s too heavy
30 pounds over
Best 212 ever indeed......
I don't think Shawn would have that physique in the classic weight cap.
Yeah no way, he competed between 205-215 and the weight cap for his height 5'6" is 187lbs. He would look completely different.
In the most muscular, you can clearly see the Chris used Synthol or some other site-enhancemant on his delts and triceps. Shawn is next level. Not a drop of oil in his muscles.
Been saying this years now. Those delts are pretty sus.
I predict that in a few years, the classic division criteria would be the 90's looks, prior Dorian went mass monster.
"Close but no cigars" - that's a monsoonism
I'm re subscribing
No offence MMM I unsubscribed because of my damn injury which has stopped me from working out for years now
Felt like I was just winding myself with all the bodybuilding content 😂
Thoroughly enjoy your take
Shawn just has a beautiful frame and flow’s nice, proportions are like a statue , or maybe because cbum is TOO lean , like they say too much of anything is bad, like markus ruhl he had so much muscle but never won
The comparisons after this year with Cbum coming in a little heavier will be much different I think. Still using the outdated Cbum pics for comparisons too I see.
The comparision must be with Labrada, Shaw smoke easly Chris, he's another level.
Ray of course
Love Chris but this comparison is very revealing
LEVELS TO THIS
Shawn is destroying Chris
Chris was posing with big ramy afew years ago and they where both pretty much the same height. Not sure why Chris lies about his height.
It's a great look at two similar physiques. Shawn had no weight restriction. Not a fair comparison.
Try bum vs zane
Dude im kinda tired of this disrespect towards dudes who are legends. There is no way on gods green earth Ray at his peak is losing to chris. Marx is right on the money with this. The back double bi Ray has so much more detail and thickness and the arms are better. If you are going to consider the hamstrings so much than you gotta consider the arms more if the shot is called double back bi. Its absolutely ridiculous how people make a bigger deal out of the hamstrings than the arms in a shot that is called the double back bi. The new age bodybuilding fans crack me up. The side chest pose even somehow the hamstring and the leg from the side which doesnt mean anything means more to them than the arms. No body does bodybuilding so they can show off the wheels. Retarded fans have ruined a lot of the sport. Its somehow a hamstring competition in the double back bi and side chest.
@imofftheleantho7551 he got the right color for the fans
Modern bodybuilding is very distorted. Men compete and arms are magically not as important. You can even win a Mr. Olympia with zero wrist flexors, zero wrist extensors, zero brachioradialis and subpar biceps, triceps, brachialis and deltoids. (Hadi).
Arms is the biggest difference between a male and a female musculature. It's so obvious.
Not only that, most male competitors nowadays have overgrown glutes and quads like this is the wellness division. It has been so distorted with male bodybuilders with femenine proportions, inflamed, shiny pointy bodyparts (Hadi again, the champ!) and just plain ugly muscle parts as seen here with Bumsteads biceps, deformed quads and the ball in his right hamstring, it's insane that's so hard to find actual masculine/strong looking physiques anymore.
Krizo and Wesley Vissers are examples of what I just explained. Just perfect examples of how the male body should look like at it's maximum, exaggerated (drugs) potential. (Imagine those bodies with normal sizes)
Most competitors today have deformed, ugly physiques.
@@vegastar57 well said
what the pose or an entire round is called has very little to do with anything.
Your entire physique is being judged, top to bottom. Yes, some body parts are "more important" than others in a given pose, but you get the point.
Back double biceps is essentially what the judges tell the competitors to let them know from which area (front, side or rear) and in what matter they want to see their physique. They wouldn't tell them rear glute spread or rear back hamstring flex because that makes no sense.
Let's take the most muscular pose. What is it about? There's no "back double, front double bicep, front lat spread" in there, is there? and yet we know what they're looking for in that pose, no matter what it's called.
The same way the symmetry pose is not about symmetry either. At least not fully. Not even half.
then you have the infamous "posing round".
All that needs to be said is that Sergio Oliva got the award for the best poser of the competition at the 2020 Arnold's classic but placed 6th or 7th in the posing round itself.
How? because "posing round" isn't only about the posing itself, you can be the best poser in the world and still lose that round if your physique isn't up to par.
Shawn Ray was great in 1997, should have maybe won this year. Dorian was afraid of Shawn this year as a number one threat. People always talk how Nasser was robbed. I dont think so, but Shawn deserved more.
7:40 That comparison makes you realize how much oil Bumstead has in his shoulders. Looks terrible.
Have to agree with Marx on this one. A late reveal. He’s just more complete and the most muscular seals it. Totally dominant.
Cbum in this comparison looks like his quads getting smaller and worse i feel this year he’s gonna slip to the second place at Mr Olympia
Shawn wins in muscularity; Cbum wins in height. Lol
I agree!! SR all the way!!!
Great one Marx
For my bumsted looks naturel her shawn ray betther soooo far
Shawn wins.
shawn is about 20 lbs over the weight limit for his height in classic. huge advantage
robberies, baby please!
Never mind, he changed his vote at the last second,
Shawn is one of my favorite bodybuilders. But his mouth always seemed to be running.
Shawn Ray vs. Terrance Ruffin would be a pretty good match
I had it 3-1 to Ray wit the rest tied. CBum only takes the rear lat.Ray's physique is near perfect
These guys are great and in the beginning of the video Chris is lacking in calves and chest although has great lat to waist ratio and clavicle width... Even without watching the rest of the video Sean is more balanced and developed... With better overall symmetry...
Bum brought those parts up in 2022 version.
Shawn Ray but if he was 5'5" height range he would have to be 175-185 pounds, same as Ruff Diesel and lighter than Breon so he wouldnt look as good.
Shawn's pics are not even HD so you can't really appreciate how conditions he truly is. C Bum has no chance.
Yeah this guy who makes weird annoying voices in his videos is simply biased towards his fellow canadian. Shawn ray took this one even with non HD photos.
C-Bum hands down 🍁
Shawn Ray destroys him.
Shaun..
Marx do a Stalin vs Mao next🙏
Shawn's Era was far superior
this is not even close to cbum’s best version
Shawn all day
There is no way Cbum can compete with Shawn Ray, he's way too big, way too full. Cbum has a better structure by far, much, much wider shoulders and he's also very well proportioned, but the muscle bellies and size of Shawn Ray is just far too much.
Cbum has the clavicles or shoulder width and therefore V-taper, Shawn Ray everything else, including posing. He was far more agile and artistic than Cbum.
Shawn looks better
Better biceps, better wheels, better everything really
Shawn was my favorite! !@
Shawn nearly every shot
Shawn Ray all the way.
Terrence ruffin vs shawn ray would have been cool!
Shawn would be 212 champ for sure
Ray all day, no doubt
Lou Ferigno v. Hassan Mustafa
Shawn easily
If Cbum brings up his arms, he’d be literally unstoppable. He’s definitely taking this matchup in my opinion
+ ABS
Less cringe please
Otherwise I like these videos
Shawn's only flaw is his height
Shawn gets dwarfed
Big ol’ moe neener
💪💪🏽🔥🏆🏅🍏👍👍🏽
i think chris wins, but its close
Shawn ray, easy.
shawn phsyique looks cleaner and more classic, chirs looks like alot of drugs
ray for sure
Hes just a thicker bumstead
I got Shawn, barely!
KRIZO!!!
Shawn wins!