As a Holbeck Driver, some of the lads on here taught us the job and made me into a railwayman of today, brilliant footage and found memories, miss 'em all. 55A
I’ve come back to see this gem again. At 3:45 it looks as if that is Alberta, and kept immaculate to the end. At 4:14 70035 Rudyard Kipling, or “Ruddy Kippers” as she was known to some crews (allegedly a poor steamer). Wonderful footage, many thanks!
Great film again Dave. So glad you captured this. In 1966 and 1967 I visited Leeds and went on Holbeck shed. A difficult one to get in . We scrambled up the wall round the corner from the main entrance and over the fence and into the roundhouse. One time it was raining and my mate had a new shirt on and didn't make the first attempt at the wall and slithered down it to find his shirt full of dirt,green moss and the rest. We got in and it was always worth the effort!.
I actually got permission, but it was hard work. Went to the foreman's office, and I think his name was `chalky` White. Having begged him for 15 minutes, he eventually relented and let me in....and as you say, it was well worth the effort.
Hi Tony, me and my mates climbed over the wall regularly on Sunday mornings, got kicked out then climbed in once more. All the Holbeck regulars were usually there. One Sunday we climbed in to be confronted by a "Blue" Class A4 Empire of India plus my first sight of a Peak D100 Sherwood Forester, what a thrill. Think I was about 16 at the time.
My Dad spent most 1967 in or around City station and Holbeck watching the final days of steam, when I first saw this I really hoped he might have caught on camera for a second, sadly not to be but thank for you posted - its a wonderful piece of history and I really enjoy watching it.
Just wonderful film. It brings back so many memories of 1967. I was just out of grammar school at that point, and had seen much of the last of steam. I love the mixture of the Deltic and 42616, with the 9f, black fives, Brush type 4 in two tone green, and the Jub with the electric warning stripe on the cab. Great video.
What a lovely video. Brings back so many memories,we used to go nearly every week from Cudworth, I will always remember climbing up the back wall to go through the arch windows into the engine shed, that way if we were kicked out we would still get a lot of numbers on our way out. I saw Winston Churchill the steam engine at Holbeck sheds, I could never get my head around why it was there, Someone might know why and add a comment. I do have some old photos of steam and diesel. They were renewing the station in the mid 60's and there were plenty of new roofing etc. Thank you for bringing happy memories back.
Thank you for your comment. Looking at this footage, I believe I can improve it as it was quite a while since I uploaded this. May do that when I have more time.
Music could be more London North Eastern, than Far Eastern { :-( I lived 500 yds from the Harrogate mainline - 'Streak's, A!'s' or A3s 'on the Harrogate Pullman, 'Shires' and 'Hunts' on the locals. LMS 'Patriots, Jubulee's, R Scots and Black 5's were a mile away, across the River Aire from nearby Kirkstall Abbey! 1953/ 4 saw me at Holbeck Triangle then biking round all the Leeds area sheds several times a week plodding down lines and lines of 'sleeping giants', but never platform's, my pocket money went on 'Trains Illustrated' each month = 1s 6d = 7 1/2p , a letter cost 2 1/2d = 1p !
Hi Dave, An interesting video/film. As I was LNER I was surprised to see the motley amount of 4's and 7's and no 6's in Leeds, being that Leeds was a major junction in the north. Still worth the effort on clean up, gives a good view of the state of some fine locos at the end of steam, what a pity they were so neglected.. Nice work..! Dave
This is great my grandad lived in Leeds and i used to go spotting there in the late 70's early 80's so i can recall the old station! Also i had an aunt that lived at Holbeck and i used to look over the wall at the end of her street at the depot! By then of course it was 25's,40's,45's,46's and 47's! But living in North Wales it was all so diffrent!
yes i went though it all and did see many old driver go home for the last time crying after say goodbye too there old friend the locos there where many broken hearts including mine its still that way now
Thanks for sharing Dave. I sent a link out via Twitter - really enjoyed your films on Peter's layout, what a fantastic amount of work has gone into that. Hope you continue to share your films with the world. Cheers :-)
Although much the same was happening up here in Scotland and therefore I'm not familiar with the actual locos shown here, the same types were working out their last days over Beattock and the WCML. over the Ex G&SW Nith Valley route and around Glasgow Central and Polmadie MPD [66A]. Very nice footage and a fond reminder of steam locos at work. Thanks for sharing it! Best wishes from Ken in Ayrshire.
Many thanks for your comment, it seems to have stirred up some fond memories for you. I am pleased you enjoyed the film, but since editing that I have better software, so at some point I may try to enhance the film even more. Thank you from South Yorkshire, and all the very best to you in Ayrshire.
Hello Brian, and thank you for your kind comment....and as long as Pete Waterman allows me to visit, I shall take HD videos and upload them to you tube. Things are getting better all the time on the layout, for instance.... The station front is going to be amazing, a one off, worth a programme on tv all by itself. It is still in construction having 1000's of pieces to assemble.....so keep watching.
I am so glad my video has brought back some nice memories for you, and thank you for your comment. By the way, 42616 was withdrawn the following month (Oct.), and scrapped in March 1968.
44694 - typical of run down condition of most steam locos then, leaking all over the place.92077 not much better, and under ten years old at the time. I regularly came over from Lancs to do some spotting in Leeds at this time. Holbeck was the best shed followed by Farnley, despite the long walk up the hill. Stourton had a few BR standards, while Neville Hill was a shadow of its former self,though the old Mayflower was on display. 45562 Alberta was a particular favourite and its clean lines show up well on this film.
Whenever I was in Leeds, I would always make a point of visiting Holbeck. As you say, it was a great shed, always busy. Pity the quality is poor, but at least I have some record of the visit. Thank you for your comment.
Thank you for your comment, and in answer to your question....NO, I haven't filmed any cutting.... It would have broken my heart. It was bad enough filming all the locos in the scrap line.
It is interesting in as much as...that is what was around at that time. By September 1967, as you know, most of steam had gone. With only 11 months left, I considered myself lucky to film what I did. Thank you for taking the trouble to comment.
45 562 filmed at 4min that is Paul Armitage driving, is nickname was 'one eater' because he had only one tooth in is mouth - great railwayman very interesting to be with.
My father worked as a driver up to 1960 he drove a steam loco with a delta engine as a test up to Skipton to see if it could work on the steep gradients.
The fact my video has made you remember something special, has made the posting all the more worthwhile. Thank you for your comment...it has made my day.
What a great video. You can see the run down state of the locos that they allowed them to get in. I felt so sorry for the firemen mostly as I imagine the drivers got jobs driving modern trains? What happened to all the firemen and all the other staff around the country that were trained in steam locomotive maintenance etc. I wonder if a job on the railways is anything like a job for life like it used to be
I think it was known that a job on the railways you stay on the railways. I don't know for sure, but I should imagine all the men would be found jobs. Pleased you enjoyed watching the video, and thank you for the comment.
There were plenty of jobs for the firemen operating the cutting torches and the electromagnet cranes helping to transport all this old scrap to the furnaces for melting down!
Leeds nevilhill loco depot 1964 we cabbed Woodcock 60029 she was keep nice and clean a hard thing too do then has there was not many cleans i often member those heyday back then were did we all go wrong
We should have got rid of steam quicker to avoid all this dirt and pollution. That's where we were wrong.10 years behind the USA on this one - and we are supposed to be leaders in rail technology!
+Ken Bird : I understand the stripe indicated the loco could not venture under the electric cables, I may be wrong, if so I am sure someone will correct me.
I do belive it means locos with the yellow stripe could not use certain routes, maybe weight restrictions and not to run under electrified lines. If this is wrong, I am sure someone will correct me.
Dave, this is fantastic! I have thousands of feet of "cine" film. How would I get it to a computer file? I've put some of my old BETA formats onto a DVD but don't seem to be able to separate the DVD into "chapters" or whatever for uploading to RUclips. Any suggestions? Thanks, Michael.
+mjd1949 : Hello Michael, right....I sent my cine film off to professional labs, and had them converted to disc as an MPEG 4 file. Then I upload the file from the disc to my video editing software, where I could then enhance the video...make titles...add transitions etc. It can work out quite expensive if you have a lot of film. I too have a lot more film to transfer, but always seem to have other priorities. All I can suggest is to google these companies and choose which you think is for you. Good luck with that, and sincerely hope you get some satisfactory results.
I am at the moment re-mastering this video, and adding sound effects instead of music. May be worth another watch when it's done. Thank you for your comment.
My Dad spent most 1967 in or around City station and Holbeck watching the final days of steam, when I first saw this I really hoped he might have caught on camera for a second, sadly not to be but thank for you posted - its a wonderful piece of history and I really enjoy watching it.
As a Holbeck Driver, some of the lads on here taught us the job and made me into a railwayman of today, brilliant footage and found memories, miss 'em all.
55A
I’ve come back to see this gem again. At 3:45 it looks as if that is Alberta, and kept immaculate to the end. At 4:14 70035 Rudyard Kipling, or “Ruddy Kippers” as she was known to some crews (allegedly a poor steamer). Wonderful footage, many thanks!
Thank you Philip for your kind comment, and pleased you have made another visit to the video.
That first Black 5! Leaking from every seam......how very sad now it’s all gone. Thanks for sharing. Nostalgia overload for me, being a Leeds lad.
Thank you Sir for your comment, very pleased you it brought back memories for you....albeit some sad ones.
Great film again Dave. So glad you captured this. In 1966 and 1967 I visited Leeds and went on Holbeck shed. A difficult one to get in . We scrambled up the wall round the corner from the main entrance and over the fence and into the roundhouse. One time it was raining and my mate had a new shirt on and didn't make the first attempt at the wall and slithered down it to find his shirt full of dirt,green moss and the rest. We got in and it was always worth the effort!.
I actually got permission, but it was hard work. Went to the foreman's office, and I think his name was `chalky` White. Having begged him for 15 minutes, he eventually relented and let me in....and as you say, it was well worth the effort.
Hi Tony, me and my mates climbed over the wall regularly on Sunday mornings, got kicked out then climbed in once more. All the Holbeck regulars were usually there. One Sunday we climbed in to be confronted by a "Blue" Class A4 Empire of India plus my first sight of a Peak D100 Sherwood Forester, what a thrill. Think I was about 16 at the time.
My Dad spent most 1967 in or around City station and Holbeck watching the final days of steam, when I first saw this I really hoped he might have caught on camera for a second, sadly not to be but thank for you posted - its a wonderful piece of history and I really enjoy watching it.
Just wonderful film. It brings back so many memories of 1967. I was just out of grammar school at that point, and had seen much of the last of steam. I love the mixture of the Deltic and 42616, with the 9f, black fives, Brush type 4 in two tone green, and the Jub with the electric warning stripe on the cab. Great video.
What a lovely video. Brings back so many memories,we used to go nearly every week from Cudworth, I will always remember climbing up the back wall to go through the arch windows into the engine shed, that way if we were kicked out we would still get a lot of numbers on our way out.
I saw Winston Churchill the steam engine at Holbeck sheds, I could never get my head around why it was there, Someone might know why and add a comment.
I do have some old photos of steam and diesel.
They were renewing the station in the mid 60's and there were plenty of new roofing etc.
Thank you for bringing happy memories back.
Fascinating bit of film, with the mix of old and new. And rare film of a Master Neverer at work......
Thank you, I just wish the quality was better.
Some great old footage there Dave enjoyed watching it .
Hope to see more like it .
Thank you for your comment.
Looking at this footage, I believe I can improve it as it was quite a while since I uploaded this.
May do that when I have more time.
Music could be more London North Eastern, than Far Eastern { :-(
I lived 500 yds from the Harrogate mainline - 'Streak's, A!'s' or A3s 'on the Harrogate Pullman, 'Shires' and 'Hunts' on the locals. LMS 'Patriots, Jubulee's, R Scots and Black 5's were a mile away, across the River Aire from nearby Kirkstall Abbey!
1953/ 4 saw me at Holbeck Triangle then biking round all the Leeds area sheds several times a week plodding down lines and lines of 'sleeping giants', but never platform's, my pocket money went on 'Trains Illustrated' each month = 1s 6d = 7 1/2p , a letter cost 2 1/2d = 1p !
Hi Dave, An interesting video/film. As I was LNER I was surprised to see the motley amount of 4's and 7's and no 6's in Leeds, being that Leeds was a major junction in the north. Still worth the effort on clean up, gives a good view of the state of some fine locos at the end of steam, what a pity they were so neglected.. Nice work..!
Dave
This is great my grandad lived in Leeds and i used to go spotting there in the late 70's early 80's so i can recall the old station! Also i had an aunt that lived at Holbeck and i used to look over the wall at the end of her street at the depot! By then of course it was 25's,40's,45's,46's and 47's! But living in North Wales it was all so diffrent!
well done dave we never forget them lovely locos it was heart breaking too see them go
Many thanks indeed for your comment(s), and I totally agree with you.....the end of steam in 1968 was a very sad time.
yes i went though it all and did see many old driver go home for the last time crying after say goodbye too there old friend the locos
there where many broken hearts including mine its still that way now
I never realised what a mess the tacks at the west end used to be until I started watching youtube videos. They did a great job remodelling leeds.
Cheers for the comment.
Xaiano Intricate, yes, but the stock made wonderful sounds clattering over that pointwork!
it's so trippy seeing this footage with that music!
Thanks for sharing Dave. I sent a link out via Twitter - really enjoyed your films on Peter's layout, what a fantastic amount of work has gone into that. Hope you continue to share your films with the world. Cheers :-)
Oh, the memories. I can still remember the smell of smoke, burning coal, and coal eggs they often used in those days.
leased this video brought back memories for you, as you say.....they were the days.
Although much the same was happening up here in Scotland and therefore I'm not familiar with the actual locos shown here, the same types were working out their last days over Beattock and the WCML. over the Ex G&SW Nith Valley route and around Glasgow Central and Polmadie MPD [66A]. Very nice footage and a fond reminder of steam locos at work. Thanks for sharing it! Best wishes from Ken in Ayrshire.
Many thanks for your comment, it seems to have stirred up some fond memories for you. I am pleased you enjoyed the film, but since editing that I have better software, so at some point I may try to enhance the film even more.
Thank you from South Yorkshire, and all the very best to you in Ayrshire.
Hello Brian, and thank you for your kind comment....and as long as Pete Waterman allows me to visit, I shall take HD videos and upload them to you tube. Things are getting better all the time on the layout, for instance....
The station front is going to be amazing, a one off, worth a programme on tv all by itself. It is still in construction having 1000's of pieces to assemble.....so keep watching.
I am so glad my video has brought back some nice memories for you, and thank you for your comment. By the way, 42616 was withdrawn the following month (Oct.), and scrapped in March 1968.
44694 - typical of run down condition of most steam locos then, leaking all over the place.92077 not much better, and under ten years old at the time. I regularly came over from Lancs to do some spotting in Leeds at this time. Holbeck was the best shed followed by Farnley, despite the long walk up the hill. Stourton had a few BR standards, while Neville Hill was a shadow of its former self,though the old Mayflower was on display.
45562 Alberta was a particular favourite and its clean lines show up well on this film.
Whenever I was in Leeds, I would always make a point of visiting Holbeck. As you say, it was a great shed, always busy. Pity the quality is poor, but at least I have some record of the visit. Thank you for your comment.
Thank you for your comment, and in answer to your question....NO, I haven't filmed any cutting....
It would have broken my heart.
It was bad enough filming all the locos in the scrap line.
It is interesting in as much as...that is what was around at that time. By September 1967, as you know, most of steam had gone. With only 11 months left, I considered myself lucky to film what I did. Thank you for taking the trouble to comment.
Thank you for that, hope that clears up the yellow stripe question.
45 562 filmed at 4min that is Paul Armitage driving, is nickname was 'one eater' because he had only one tooth in is mouth - great railwayman very interesting to be with.
My father worked as a driver up to 1960 he drove a steam loco with a delta engine as a test up to Skipton to see if it could work on the steep gradients.
The fact my video has made you remember something special, has made the posting all the more worthwhile.
Thank you for your comment...it has made my day.
All comments are most welcome, so thank you very much for yours. Hope it has helped if you are weathering model locos.
Just like seeing old friends again, especially 44694
What lovely memories 😃
Sorry about the quality, but something is better than nothing. Thanks for the comment.
What a great video. You can see the run down state of the locos that they allowed them to get in. I felt so sorry for the firemen mostly as I imagine the drivers got jobs driving modern trains? What happened to all the firemen and all the other staff around the country that were trained in steam locomotive maintenance etc. I wonder if a job on the railways is anything like a job for life like it used to be
I think it was known that a job on the railways you stay on the railways. I don't know for sure, but I should imagine all the men would be found jobs. Pleased you enjoyed watching the video, and thank you for the comment.
There were plenty of jobs for the firemen operating the cutting torches and the electromagnet cranes helping to transport all this old scrap to the furnaces for melting down!
Thank you on both counts. I have limited soundtrack music due to copyright, on this cd I have paid for the broadcasting rights.
Superb......
I think the yellow stripe meant that the engines were scared to cross Ribblehead Viaduct...
our shed was Goole 50D startbeck old shed code goole .s original shed code was 25C right from L&Y days
Leeds nevilhill loco depot 1964 we cabbed Woodcock 60029 she was keep nice and clean a hard thing too do then has there was not many cleans i often member those heyday back then were did we all go wrong
We should have got rid of steam quicker to avoid all this dirt and pollution. That's where we were wrong.10 years behind the USA on this one - and we are supposed to be leaders in rail technology!
I have always been curious about the diagonal strip on some of the loco cabs. What did they indicate??
+Ken Bird : I understand the stripe indicated the loco could not venture under the electric cables, I may be wrong, if so I am sure someone will correct me.
+Ken Bird Not allowed south of crewe on wcml
I do belive it means locos with the yellow stripe could not use certain routes, maybe weight restrictions and not to run under electrified lines.
If this is wrong, I am sure someone will correct me.
@Jon Aschenbrenner Thank you Jon for this information................cheers.
That`s what I used to dream about each weekend...steam trains...those WERE the day`s?
The certainly were the day's, spent many an hour (full day on Saturdays at Doncaster) spotting trains....and enjoyed it.
Nice one Dave....they should bring out another Ian Allen book specifically for heritage railways? all the best.
Good old Ian Allen books, I still have mine somewhere.
Dave, this is fantastic! I have thousands of feet of "cine" film. How would I get it to a computer file? I've put some of my old BETA formats onto a DVD but don't seem to be able to separate the DVD into "chapters" or whatever for uploading to RUclips. Any suggestions? Thanks, Michael.
+mjd1949 : Hello Michael, right....I sent my cine film off to professional labs, and had them converted to disc as an MPEG 4 file. Then I upload the file from the disc to my video editing software, where I could then enhance the video...make titles...add transitions etc. It can work out quite expensive if you have a lot of film.
I too have a lot more film to transfer, but always seem to have other priorities. All I can suggest is to google these companies and choose which you think is for you.
Good luck with that, and sincerely hope you get some satisfactory results.
+Ian C Best : Unfortunately my 8mm cine projector was thrown in the skip some time ago now, but I appreciate your effort to save money.....thank you.
Ok. Overhead wire clearance makes sense.
What a lovely tim clip. :-) And te music is very apt-very thoughtful/ Do you know the name f the piece or performers? :-)
The soundtrack is from:
AKM music "Tranquil Rhythms"......www.akmmusic.co.uk
Thanks so much, I often come across interesting and attractive music in You Tube clips. :-)
Rather wobbly...
It means it cant be used on electrified routes.
there you are proof of enginemen cleaning there engine to the last embers of steam on BR
I am at the moment re-mastering this video, and adding sound effects instead of music.
May be worth another watch when it's done.
Thank you for your comment.
My Dad spent most 1967 in or around City station and Holbeck watching the final days of steam, when I first saw this I really hoped he might have caught on camera for a second, sadly not to be but thank for you posted - its a wonderful piece of history and I really enjoy watching it.
Many thanks indeed for this lovely comment, and wish I had captured your Dad on film.
But I am very pleased you enjoyed watching the video anyhow.