Thanks for the video. Ian Moutter from the UK calls this fly style "paraloop". He penned a book in 2001 "Tying Flies the Paraloop Way". He uses a gallows and a neck breaker (homemade) tool for wrapping the hackle. Instructions are included in his excellent book.
When I tie these I use paintbrush fibers for a tail (BWO) I tie in the fibers, and leave the excess as the post. I'll wrap the body usually in sizes 20-30. When you get to where you want to tie in the hackle use the paintbrush fibers as the post and trim the excess after you bring the post forward to the eye. Very selective fish do care about the color and the height of the hackle. The shorter the hackle the more midge like the pattern, the taller the hackle the more BWO the pattern. I find thread color matters too, find something in the purple or green range that shines under UV light and you will catch more fish. I have even added a tiny hint of dubbing. For a twist tie the body with razor foam wraps. For a sexy BWO pattern pull some razor foam over the top and split the wing. Keep up the good work and go fish.
Keep up the good content. I will usually try to tie like four dozen of these flies so I don’t have to tie them again for a couple of years! 🤬’s will drive you to drink trying to find them on the water!
finger getting cramped up just watching that bit of acrobatics...I'd rather just wrap the hackle around the hook and then figure 8 under the hook and hackle to push the fibers up. but i've never tied one so we'll find out tomorrow which way is easier...also how does this thing float???
Sometimes when I’m rushed I just wrap the hackle around the shank and trim off the bottom. It’s not as pretty but the fish don’t seem to mind. As far as flotation goes- it’s a light wire hook and I dress the fly and leader with floatant. Obviously it doesn’t float in turbulent water, but I works great in flat, calm water
Thanks for the video. You make it look easy. Excellent job. Looking forward to some more vids. I have fished this fly on the middle and lower and I have done very well. Now the BWO's are coming off, do you usually change the thread color? I have just stuck with black or sometimes a gray. You may think this would sink but if you use a good floatant it will float just fine. Sometime I will fish a parachute as a front fly and drop this off the back if I am having a hard time seeing it.
That’s sort of the point. I fish this generally as a nymph pattern or an emerger just under the surface. That’s why I’m using a SOFT hackle. If treated with floatant it will float like a dry. I do that with it as well.
That’s sort of the point. I fish this generally as a nymph pattern or an emerger just under the surface. That’s why I’m using a SOFT hackle. If treated with floatant it will float like a dry. I do that with it as well.
Generally, yes. In flat pools I’ll fish it as a dry. If you can cast accurately, you’ll be able to find it on the water because you can cast where you’re looking. If not, good luck finding it. If that’s the case, it works well trailed behind a dry you can see. Think a mother shucker/parachute griffiths gnat. This fly wasn’t designed to be fished as a solo dry. Experienced anglers can fish it that way. But that’s about it. It’s definitely best for tailwater situations. Not a freestone bug at all. If you can’t fish it that way, it’s still very effective in the ways I described above. I don’t need verification from you. Between me and clients fishing it, I’ve seen thousands of fish caught on it. If you don’t like it, cool. Move on bro. You simply referring it to not having “enough grizzly” to float it without even acknowledging its a SOFT hackle shows me enough about your experience. Don’t shit on someone when you make it clear you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Holy hell, I’m sorry. I was responding to a soft hackle comment I had on another video. Disregard what I said above. Again, way sorry man. Just got mixed up on videos. My bad. Shockingly, there IS enough hackle on this fly to float it. A few key points on that- #1 the hook matters. If it’s a heavier gauge wire on the hook, it will sink like you said. #2 floatant is necessary on this fly. #3 it will look like it sinks if you’re eyesight is struggling. It’s not sinking though. This fly definitely floats. Hard to see for sure. Like I said above, it works best for most people if you trail it behind a visible dry. But that minimal hackle WILL float it. The key is keeping it down to a thin hook, thread, and a feather. Again, sorry for being a d***. I thought this was on a soft hackle video. My bad.
Far too many wraps, and Venus 14/0 is actually quite thick on a #22. Semperfli 18/0 would work better, and it's plenty strong enough. Those tiny midges have very thin bodies, so you need very little thread. The use of a gallows tool is a no-brainer for this pattern.
In size 20-24, this thing weighs so little that it won’t be able to break the surface tension of the water. Will fish in the surface film, but definitely won’t sink
@@geebee3d no actually it does sink, you added a ton of thread weight to it and there isn't enough hackle to keep it afloat, Maybe it floats on still water, kinda doubt it, but not in a river or creek, so yes it sinks like a rock with out using a chemical floatant
This is too hard! 😂 I’ll tie this “guide fly” style with EP fibers! Great video!
Thanks for the video. Ian Moutter from the UK calls this fly style "paraloop". He penned a book in 2001 "Tying Flies the Paraloop Way". He uses a gallows and a neck breaker (homemade) tool for wrapping the hackle. Instructions are included in his excellent book.
Love that pattern and the simplicity of the materials. My fat fingers willing I’ll give it a go! 😂
When I tie these I use paintbrush fibers for a tail (BWO) I tie in the fibers, and leave the excess as the post. I'll wrap the body usually in sizes 20-30. When you get to where you want to tie in the hackle use the paintbrush fibers as the post and trim the excess after you bring the post forward to the eye. Very selective fish do care about the color and the height of the hackle. The shorter the hackle the more midge like the pattern, the taller the hackle the more BWO the pattern. I find thread color matters too, find something in the purple or green range that shines under UV light and you will catch more fish. I have even added a tiny hint of dubbing. For a twist tie the body with razor foam wraps. For a sexy BWO pattern pull some razor foam over the top and split the wing. Keep up the good work and go fish.
Keep up the good content. I will usually try to tie like four dozen of these flies so I don’t have to tie them again for a couple of years! 🤬’s will drive you to drink trying to find them on the water!
Thanks! When I fish em, I usually trail em behind a more visible fly because ya, there’s no way to see the damn fly 😂😂
Thats why they callem no see ems. L😜L
Can't wait to tie some! I've been looking for a pattern for just this occasion!.
Great stuff!!! You've got a good thing going please make more? Great information too!!!
I definitely plan on making more. Hopefully I'll get em going at least once a week. Share the videos if you like em! It helps a ton!
Nice fly!
Nice
Rather than using a finger .. a gallows is a very handy tool , especially for beginners
finger getting cramped up just watching that bit of acrobatics...I'd rather just wrap the hackle around the hook and then figure 8 under the hook and hackle to push the fibers up.
but i've never tied one so we'll find out tomorrow which way is easier...also how does this thing float???
Sometimes when I’m rushed I just wrap the hackle around the shank and trim off the bottom. It’s not as pretty but the fish don’t seem to mind.
As far as flotation goes- it’s a light wire hook and I dress the fly and leader with floatant. Obviously it doesn’t float in turbulent water, but I works great in flat, calm water
Great pattern, your WAY too hard on yourself man, good tie !!!! Thanks. L 👍🎣👍
Thanks for the video. You make it look easy. Excellent job. Looking forward to some more vids. I have fished this fly on the middle and lower and I have done very well. Now the BWO's are coming off, do you usually change the thread color? I have just stuck with black or sometimes a gray. You may think this would sink but if you use a good floatant it will float just fine. Sometime I will fish a parachute as a front fly and drop this off the back if I am having a hard time seeing it.
Nice. I’ll make some ASAP. Lol this will prob expose my poor thing skills
Practice, practice, practice!
Seems like an a stress tie without a gallows and a hook for loop fashioned on to a piece of elastic....and relax.
Doesn’t look there is enough grizzle to keep it afloat it will sink quickly
That’s sort of the point. I fish this generally as a nymph pattern or an emerger just under the surface. That’s why I’m using a SOFT hackle.
If treated with floatant it will float like a dry. I do that with it as well.
That’s sort of the point. I fish this generally as a nymph pattern or an emerger just under the surface. That’s why I’m using a SOFT hackle.
If treated with floatant it will float like a dry. I do that with it as well.
@@morgannowels228 what in a flat calm 😂
Generally, yes. In flat pools I’ll fish it as a dry. If you can cast accurately, you’ll be able to find it on the water because you can cast where you’re looking. If not, good luck finding it. If that’s the case, it works well trailed behind a dry you can see. Think a mother shucker/parachute griffiths gnat.
This fly wasn’t designed to be fished as a solo dry. Experienced anglers can fish it that way. But that’s about it. It’s definitely best for tailwater situations. Not a freestone bug at all.
If you can’t fish it that way, it’s still very effective in the ways I described above. I don’t need verification from you. Between me and clients fishing it, I’ve seen thousands of fish caught on it. If you don’t like it, cool. Move on bro.
You simply referring it to not having “enough grizzly” to float it without even acknowledging its a SOFT hackle shows me enough about your experience. Don’t shit on someone when you make it clear you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Holy hell, I’m sorry.
I was responding to a soft hackle comment I had on another video. Disregard what I said above. Again, way sorry man. Just got mixed up on videos. My bad.
Shockingly, there IS enough hackle on this fly to float it. A few key points on that- #1 the hook matters. If it’s a heavier gauge wire on the hook, it will sink like you said.
#2 floatant is necessary on this fly.
#3 it will look like it sinks if you’re eyesight is struggling. It’s not sinking though.
This fly definitely floats. Hard to see for sure. Like I said above, it works best for most people if you trail it behind a visible dry. But that minimal hackle WILL float it. The key is keeping it down to a thin hook, thread, and a feather.
Again, sorry for being a d***. I thought this was on a soft hackle video. My bad.
Far too many wraps, and Venus 14/0 is actually quite thick on a #22. Semperfli 18/0 would work better, and it's plenty strong enough. Those tiny midges have very thin bodies, so you need very little thread. The use of a gallows tool is a no-brainer for this pattern.
That's not the way the original No-see-um is tied. The wing is different.
and it sinks like a rock lol
In size 20-24, this thing weighs so little that it won’t be able to break the surface tension of the water. Will fish in the surface film, but definitely won’t sink
@@geebee3d no actually it does sink, you added a ton of thread weight to it and there isn't enough hackle to keep it afloat, Maybe it floats on still water, kinda doubt it, but not in a river or creek, so yes it sinks like a rock with out using a chemical floatant
The loops are absolute unnecessary...tye it the same way as a klinkhammer fly!