However among the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee he was a lone holdout against the majority concerning updating boosters. It's fine to disagree, but he goes one step further and makes a lot of noise in the press and podcasts, without stating when his expert opinion is a fringe opinion among other experts. He also asserts his philosophy that covid vaccines are only for avoiding hospitalization, not for avoiding symptomatic disease or critical illness, although the FDA committee heard evidence for those as well. I personally would like a vaccine to prevent those things as well as hospitalization, and most critically I'd like it to reduce the risk of long covid. But Offit just asserts all that away and says the vaccines' purpose is to prevent hospitalization, to support his fringe case about updating the boosters.
I've been waiting for something like this. Here in the UK (and probably the rest of the world), it feels like society has purposefully just forgotten about the pandemic and never talk about it again. Our government just got everyone back to work and never had any sort of analysis or closure to give to the public. That's really not good for public trust in medical and scientific institutions, especially when it was so mismanaged and ill-communicated, by our government at least. So thank you for this!
I was classed as extremely vulnerable by NHS , had letters and texts with this on , so I hid for two and a half years hardly went out , I had all my vaccines and boosters and was attacked on line by anti vaxxers telling me I would soon die . In between this my mother became ill and died , I was having to visit her in hospital but otherwise hardly went out . In June 2024 I finally caught Covid in Majorca and it was a very mild infection , but showed up straight away on PCR test . The infection was even milder than a normal winter cold and more like hay fever and I recovered well . I think my body was well prepared for it from previous vaccination . My wife didn’t even get the infection and she to is vaccinated , this is despite sharing hotel room sitting next to each other on the plane and in cars .
Carter was demonized back in the day. I hated that. Carter was a better leader and president than anyone byt, like JFK and FDR he wasn't perfect either. Why do we need super heroes? Why do we need heroes at all? Why do we HATE democracy and human rights?
Jimmy Carter was quite spectacularly wrong about some things: ruclips.net/video/iXHTmEUGR7c/видео.html Offit was a fringe opinion on the FDA advisory committee about updating the boosters. Everyone else on the committee disagreed with him.
Excellent interview. Dr. Offit is one of the best physician communicators we have seen during the pandemic. Its good to see him interviewed so professionally. I have highlighted the video and his book on my FB page with links to this video...hope you don't mind. Brian Dingle, MD, FRCPC
Two of my favorite science communicators right here-- very grateful for this episode. (Also loved seeing Dr. Offit on Bernie Sanders' public health roundtable earlier today, and I always tune in to his Beyond The Noise chat on MicrobeTV. He's a legend!) Thank you so much! ❤
@ I dont need to read 800 pages of scientific literature to realize someone or some group is blowing smoke for ulterior motives. Most of the public has been conditioned to follow the herd right off the cliff.
No, the opinions of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee members should be shared far and wide. Offit was the lone holdout against updating the boosters. It is fine for experts to have a fringe opinion, but when speaking to non-experts it should be acknowledged as such. He makes a huge effort to get in the press and on podcasts, unlike the majority.
When his words or media circus aren't considered concerning Covid, but his actions are, he did as well as anyone could have where it mattered. The right/left narrative has no value in this conversation.
That ship has sailed. The pro-vax side only does interviews with people who are 100% on board with their agenda. They can’t afford to get stuck on difficult questions.
Rogan had on Dr. Michael Osterholm on March 10, 2020 where they agreed not vaccinating kids was stupid. But then Rogan got $100 million from Spotify to grift from the right wingers and helped discourage millions from protecting themselves, with some of them dying or being hospitalized.
As a layman, I stayed informed from the very early days of the pandemic via Twitter (remember when Twitter was useful?). I'm very thankful for all the virologists, vaccinologists, epidemiologists, etc who shared excellent information freely and helped me understand what was happening. Medcram videos from Dr Seheult were also very helpful, although occasionally somewhat speculative. I hope we have effective social media platforms next time we have a pandemic. I was fully vaxed & boosted on each of my first days of eligibility. I feel that anti-vaxers should be triaged down the list if we have another pandemic that stretches hospital resources to the limit. In worst cases, where resources are really stretched, maybe people who refuse vaccines should just be given painkillers, food & water and moved to a quarantine ward. Harsh, I know, but health care professionals deserve protection from burnout so that they can treat the people who are prepared to be part of the solution.
I had to fight to get prioritized for vaccines as I was working on the COVID unit and they were prioritizing the ER, ICU and surgical wards. I fought to get vaccinated.
Management kisses the behinds of the ER and surgical units as they bring in business and the ICU and ER because of TV and liability. I had to laugh about flu vaccine. Wear a mask the whole shift if you didn't get vaxxed, but visitors could wander in with the kids. However, covid was a completely different thing. I rushed to get that stuff!
This should never have been a political issue. But a cult of personality took it from the realm of public safety to that of controversy. China's own response didn't help. Honestly, only New Zealand had anything close to sanity, and that wasn't enough to save them against a world gone apathetic. What do you do when your neighbor values a haircut over your safety? Then there's the vaccines. I had ONE bad interaction with the J&J vaccine on my second dose (eight months after my original one; it triggered my Ménière's disease). But y'know what? I'd still have gotten it, because that helps me be less of a potential vector for the virus. I'm gotten boosted every six months since, and I've developed neither 5G or a case of sudden death. But popular myths have started overriding common sense. Fear of the disease versus fear of a cure or preventative measure can be easy to manipulate. Think of how many people are terrified of somehow contracting HIV/AIDS from a handshake. Now those same people are convinced of "vaccine shedding." I've literally had someone back away from me on learning I had an mRNA-based injection, convinced they'll die just from being around me. We have entered a new age of ignorance, and it's so damnably depressing.
16:12 "estimated that somewhere around 230,000 people died unnecessarily died because they chose not to get the vaccine" I suppose there are various ways to estimate excess deaths. If you look at the vaccination status of those who died, and the proportion of the population who were vaccinated, the 230K number may be reasonable for people in the US with all of the context involved in that. But there is another approach. I just looked at Our World in Data and compared the US with my own country (NZ). At the end of 2024 1.21M deaths were reported in the US and 4497 in NZ. Using the 2023 population figures that corresponds to 0.3613% for the US and 0.086% for NZ. The difference - 0.2753% - corresponds to 922K excess deaths in the US. This rather grim comparison is between the two countries' responses considered in terms of their aggregate result rather than individuals' personal vaccine decisions. And I think it points to the value of NZ's decision to "go hard and go early" as it was branded at the time.
The comparison is not so fair, because NZ kept COVID out (almost completely) until the vaccinations had been well underway. In contrast, the US didn't.
Was it easy to control the (external) border? It didn't seem so at the time. In general the smaller a country is, the more significant the effect of its border: both geographically (a matter of geometry) and economically (NZ for example is hugely dependent on the flow of goods and people across the border). A comparison of the US with Australia, whose population is significantly larger than NZ and which has a much broader domestic industrial base, is similar to the US/NZ comparison. (On a personal note, when border quarantines and a nationwide response to stop community spread was introduced at roughly the same time in NZ, Australia and Iceland, no-one was more skeptical than me about whether such a thing was even possible.) My feeling is that internal "borders" - traffic of people and goods within a country - did prove difficult to control in all countries, even those that were prepared to respond socially in an aggressive manner. But, for me, this points to the need for countries to give some attention to this aspect of their response to infectious disease. As with the question of difficult and costly quarantines at the border, the choice is between fatalistically accepting the status quo and shrugging off comparisons as "unfair", and meeting the challenge raised by a pandemic. To Marco's point that NZ kept local transmission of covid at bay until vaccinations were available: yes, it did. And the 922K number shows (I think) the result of taking that action despite the difficulties it involved.
Yes, NZ did a fantastic job with Australia not far behind. We had a couple of breakouts in Melbourne, which saw us locked down for longer, but it only takes one careless or unlucky person to cause an outbreak.
@@razerginnAustralia did pretty well. We had all state borders closed. It was illegal to travel between states without a permit. So, the island "excuse" isn't quite the full story. We had huge fines imposed for quarantine breaches.
So glad that you mentioned Malone - he became one of the biggest villains of the pandemic . Instead of using his talents to help he very likely harmed many many .
Our right to breathe Covid on others stops at our front door. It follows logically that those who can be vaccinated should not work in health care environments without being vaccinated.
I hope we will be able to access Novavax next fall. Also- the flu was insane this year- vax may have helped but even my doc said " some kind of virus" looking at my bloodwork after the ER misdiagnosed me with a UTI! Six weeks I wuss so sick- tested neg for Cov twice.
Honest question: I don’t understand the “get the vaccine to protect others” argument. I’ve taken the vaccine myself, but I can still contract COVID-19 and transmit it. If I meet someone who’s immunocompromised and unable to be vaccinated, I could still infect them. How does my vaccination help protect that person?
@@aq9415good response. Also a lower percentage of the vaccinated transmit it to the others and also because they carry lower viral load there is some possibility that infection may be less severe , theoretical .
@@sebnewlook not true . By March if 2021 more than one large study had proven that it significantly reduces transmission . Every study done since than to evaluate this has shown it reduces transmission. Also experiments have shown that it does. So where did the fraud come in from ?
I got 6 covid vaccines over the last few years. I have never gotten covid. I never infected another person. The vaccines just DECREASE the RISK of infection to yourself and others. Vaccines are not magic shields. But they do work well.
The pacing of this episode is so reassuring. Like, the stammering questions to the emphatic well understood, well articulated replies. You can tell the interviewer is working hard and the subject really knows what he's talking about, or he thinks he does. So much confidence
I absolutely love that Dr. Offit points out that the development of the vaccine wasn't starting in 2020 (or 2019). That year-long effort was to finalize and direct existing vaccines and then test for efficacy and safety. Definitely the least mentioned topic about the pandemic. I think people not hammering that point home probably led to a lot of issues.
I had the flu vaccine in October last year. I just got out of bed after getting flu with the worst cough I’ve ever had, sore throat, chills, runny nose… I was unable to get out of bed for 5 full days and spent most of the other days either in bed or lying on the couch. It was absolutely horrible. I think if I had not been vaccinated I would have been hospitalized and may have died, though I can’t prove it.
@@davidheard8015 Many viruses can result in you having flu like symptoms, whilst influenza itself can cause asymptomatic infections in a resonable number of cases.
Mandates are not much of an issue in Australia. Fortunately, we have a very weak collection of very weak people advocating against vaccinations, we tend to be more community minded than in the US, and all major political parties support vaccinations to the extent that there is partisan support for making child and family support payments dependant on vaccination status. That might sound like discrimination against the children of antivax parents, but it works to keep child vaccinations high enough to reduce the risk of those children getting infectious diseases. For example, our COVID-19 deaths per million was 1/4 that of the US. I think this means that a libertarian political worldview doesn't work where public health is concerned.
Offit's stance on boosters continues to be inexplicable. there's no reason *not* to get seasonal updates for COVID right before respiratory virus season and plenty of reasons to do it including re-upping your protection vs. infection and reduction of transmission at the highest risk point of the year.
It is to do with the fading increment of advantage with each successive booster. After the first booster for those less than about 65-75 years of age with no risk factors, it becomes negligible, and we should be spending our time, money and manpower on other stuff.
@@williamverhoef4349 that's simply not true. antibody contraction starts shortly after the peak of production and tails off completely after 6 months at most. the idea is to protect communities from transmission to the greatest extent possible. we know that transmission and infection rates drop sharply from a well-antigenically-matched booster right after dosing. that is absolutely worth the effort, time and money to make happen -- especially when it is timed correctly.
@@0xKruzr You seem to have misunderstood my point. Also, there is more to immunity than antibodies, and more to antibodies than antibody levels. Anyway...
@@0xKruzr I was simply trying to explain to you the very thing that you said was inexplicable (about Dr. Offit's stance on boosters). I did not even say whether or not I agreed, just what his reasoning and explanation is about his stance on boosters. But, if you want to keep saying that you find his reasoning inexplicable then go ahead but please don't pretend that it IS inexplicable after you have had it actually explicated to you.
Next time suggest that there is a limited supply of the vaccine and only important people will be getting the vaccine. Perhaps also hint that there will be a high price to get vaccinated.
@ actually that’s untrue, after the over 70s the under 5s are the next most vulnerable by age, not to mention unborn children. As with many diseases the profile is broadly U shaped. We also have to separate the risk for a new novel virus with an immune naive population va the situation now where the risks are very different
RFK jnr has said he will ensure vaccines have to go through the same rigouous safety testing as other medications, he has also said he will remove the shielding from legal action. If vaccines are 'safe and effective', why do they need protection from genuine vaccine damage? Some childhood vaccines are safety tested for 3 -5 days, compare that to other lucrative drugs which undergo testing for approx 7 years.
@@geoffnelson6756 1) They have much stricter ones. 2) He's actively suing Merck, so the shielding is a lie you fell for. Also, they need protection so people can't claim a vaccine they had 15 years ago caused anything today. That's why a fund was set up for genuine damage. 3) You have zero idea how vaccines are developed and tested.
He first lied to you and took advantage cover your very obvious ignorance that vaccines are not well safety tested. Mo Ron if he brought it to the level of other drugs he would be down grading vaccine safety . They are held to higher standard. Also why would any be Stu pyd e ought listen to that igno rant clown that can not open his mouth and not lie.
No Ron you are confusing medications that people take daily for 20 , 40 60 years with vaccine that it a few times in a lifetime. There are no medical mechanisms that cause adverse effects that START after 8 weeks excite ADE which is also discovered quickly and vaccines that cause ADE were not allowed . Don’t fall for RFK jr bs , he is a completely igno rant clown .
I was recently with a group of 30 people traveling internationally when covid broke out. In that group, no doubt, the people who got the most shots caught covid and got the sickest. I'm confused.
I had 4 vaccines this fall to protect my grandson. He has had 2 doses of rotavirus which I am so thankful for. 👏 My own son ended up dehydrated back in the early 90’s from the rotavirus. It was a tricky virus because he kept getting better, then worse again, then better again, etc (It was a vicious cycle). As a young Mom, it didn’t occur to me to take him to the ER. When we finally got to the pediatrician’s office, he said “one more vomiting occurrence and he needs to go to the ER”. I was too naive to recognize this. 🫤
I’ll never understand why people think it’s the responsibility of social media sites to sensor the content the users post. They would need to put all of that into their agreement everyone doesn’t read to start using the site. People are going to find the content they’re looking for one way or another, censoring n one platform does absolutely nothing.
"censoring n one platform does absolutely nothing." Except it does - the algorithms of those platforms can then not highlight this content and push it onto people. It isn't about people actively looking for certain content, but the people who are dragged into black holes by the algorithm. I myself have had videos recommended that *I* know were made by complete idiots, but which will look credible for those who do not have sufficient background. Social media platforms taking their responsibility does a lot.
@ so you’re fine without free speech then? Who gets to decided what people can and can’t talk about? What happens when you go down that path? Where does it end?
@@burtstineman449 "so you’re fine without free speech then?" This is a quite weird question, but one that supposed "free speech absolutists" always come up with. It is the strange notion that your right to free speech means *others must facilitate you in spreading that speech.* There is no such right! And if you DO think there is such a right, please let me know where you live, so I can place some signs around your house that say you are a despicable human being who has done illegal stuff. You will then - of course! - allow those signs to remain in place, because "free speech" to you means that I not only am allowed to say whatever you want, others (including you) should facilitate that free speech of mine. And of course you will also not go to court, because to you "free speech" means others do not get to decide what I can and can't say. Right? Nah, I doubt you'd ever allow this.
@@burtstineman449 Folks like you want freedom to lie. You're into the freedom to knowingly push conspiracy theories for fun and profit. You're into screaming fire in the movie theater to see everyone jump. People like me think you should be free to say whatever you want AS LONG AS you are prosecuted for pushing lies and conspiracies. Liars, like Trump who lied about the 202 election among other things should be in jail The problem is there is no accountability. The SC made him immune. They should be in jail with him.
Dr Wilson, Can you please provide references to people saying after vaccination, you won't get infected. I hear this often, but have not found such statements. Thanks, Ricardo from Australia
Not a bad interview for a mismatch between Interviewee (hyperactive) and interviewer (laid back). Well done, both of you despite your different approaches.
@@samsmith962 Yes, the channel was terminated for violating RUclips's harassment policy (so RUclips say). There's a thread on Dr Oliver's Xitter about the channel termination. RUclips didn't provide a reason why it was terminated so it's anyone's guess as to what triggered it.
@@mcardnas2984 so is that the only Tony you know about science ? Lol mor on so far all the evidence is for it . Say when you find any evidence against it. What a mo Ron
Mandates were a bad idea. The reason why these decisions are made by elected politicians and not virologists is because Drs are only narrowly concerned with mitigating the virus. Govts have to consider all the other effects both economic and social. This is why I think places like Sweden and Florida got it right. Yes they accepted more risk, but that's a decision the public gets to make for itself every day on a whole range of issues.
Sweden and Florida did not get it right . In fact Florida had higher mortality rate than many other states ( most republican states did ) and Sweden had higher mortality rate than all other Scandinavian countries and they admitted they were wrong
Florida also lied about how many deaths they had, they renamed some of them "non covid pneumonia" which conveniently increased starting in March 2020. The weird thing was to see all the anti-vax deniers whose gamble went badly show up at the emergency rooms when they couldn't breathe (I know more than a few who did that, personally). If they hate medicine so much, why go to a hospital? Stay home, go to a church for thoughts and prayers, or their local vitamin store ...
I doubt many people REALLY know what Sweden did, and also why it somewhat worked in Sweden. I have a small hint using an example: the Swedish government *advised* Higher Education institutes to switch to online teaching. ALL those institutes did so. Notably, whereas I, working in a neighboring country, was already back in my office at the University and teaching students in-person, my Swedish colleagues were still at home. Oh, and Sweden also has higher vaccine uptake than the US.
@@markrobinowitz8473 Depends a bit on how you look at it. The first year of the pandemic, absolutely. Over the last five years (2020-2024), Sweden did comparable to the others.
Generally, I'm against vaccine mandates, but hospital workers and the military should be exceptions, because you are responsible for passing infection onto others, among sick people or in close quarters.
In pandemic with us education system mandates are necessary because we have very high percentage of igno rant people who do understand benefits of vaccines .
Firstly thank you for your presentation. I feel there is one big elephant in the room that has not been discussed and I would very much like to hear both your thoughts on this… when trying to get to the bottom of any complex story such as COVID and what actually happened I like to remember the mantra “Follow the money”… perhaps the fact that big pharma made (and continues to make) such insane huge profits from COVID 19 is a reason people distrust the narrative you are expounding here. Perhaps if you addressed this issue the doubters (myself included) might be more inclined to listen openly to the information you are presenting… with the title of your video “mistakes made during Covid” perhaps some discussion of the inherently corrupt nature of the relationship between ‘Big Pharma’, government and the NIH/CDC is in order?
"perhaps the fact that big pharma made (and continues to make) such insane huge profits from COVID 19 is a reason people distrust the narrative you are expounding here. Perhaps if you addressed this issue the doubters (myself included) might be more inclined to listen openly to the information you are presenting" But WHY do you distrust information for the sole reason that you THINK Big Pharma makes "insane[ly] huge profits from COVID19"? Pfizer made a nice profit in 2021 and 2022 (66 and 50 billion), but 2023 was already at a level LOWER than 2011-2017. Investors don't like that, and so its share price is back to 2013(!) levels. Notably, its income in 2021 and 2022 also was a lot higher, such that the profit in 2021 and 2022 was not "insanely huge" compared to its normal profit margin. Notably, vaccines are notorious for their lower profit margin than many drugs (for example, the profit margin on ivermectin, at least in Western countries, is insane). They are, however, useful for companies, as they provide a steady income and less likely to get competition from generics when out of patent. Also, why do you automatically assume that because someone promotes vaccines, it must be because Big Pharma makes a profit of those vaccines?
The ONS in UK for children up to 21 gives a total of 37 deaths from Covid 19 between Jan 2020 and May 2021. I am confused as to why UK is so low compared to USA.
Individuals that see their freedom as overriding the health and safety of others fail to recognise all the times where their activities are limited to protect others. Logical consistency evades many people a lot of the time.
Well 1: lab leakers are ignoring facts 2: they are making tings up and have not used any facts and only used their statute. So it’s on people who are listening to those clowns even without facts. So essentially any body who listens to them is a personality worshipper and has no respect for facts or does not know how to analyze facts .
Basically, it was nothing more than political propaganda. There is zero scientific evidence to support the Wuhan Institute of Virology as the origin of the pandemic. It was the politically motivated knitting together of dubious circumstantial evidence, wild speculation, and ignorant conspiracy type thinking. In all cases where this was being pushed by experts, they were motivated by their underlying libertarian worldview and/or personal fame and fortune.
The politburo gets together to discuss why the 5 year plan didn't do as well as expected. Surreal to see this. But then again, the Soviet Union and its perverse incentives lasted 70+ years. ruclips.net/video/huhw5uSGobc/видео.html
It is a total lack of morality and empathy to request people to vaccinate against their will to help protect the health care system. The system is for people and not vice versa.
It is a total lack of morality and empathy for anyone to make the decision not to vaccinate in a pandemic situation. The protection of the health care system is not to “protect the system” - but to protect the people who need it.
So not only you don’t understand science but you are clueless lol was about humanity and civics science ? Also do you think those who not vaccinate for their own benefit are just du mb or very du mb?
@TeressaStuckey-psychdata We're not going to let big government dictate where immigrants go or women's and doctor's abortion rights or workers' union rights Trump is a convicted criminal with 34 felonies. Police did not enforce the Constitutional Law that forbids a TERRORIST INSURRECTIONIST from being POTUS. So we are not going to allow anyone to enforce any of trump's illegal executive orders.
It's a total lack of morality and empathy to arrest immigrants who are not on your or anyone else's private property and who are not hurting anyone. Nobody needs to give a shit about some some bullshit unimportant citizenship documents.
What george said plus there are MAGA people who are vindictive and want payback for the ways BS lawfare was used against DJT. Now they want to use it on Fauci, Milley and others.
GBD was a eugenics suggestion to promote mass infection, paid for in part by Koch industries (who also brought us the John Birch Society). Some diseases are one-and-done, but Covid wasn't one of them, and mass infection just spreads illness and death, it doesn't stop the spread. Red states and counties had worse death rates than Blue states and counties.
This mo Ron confused post marketing study with double trial and thinks trial was supposed to last 2 years and cannot tell us which steps were skipped. Also he is so infected ly Stu pyd that he says after thousands of softening the most studied vaccine in history that has proven its benefit . So if you were not a mo ron would you still be antivaxer ?
It's a total lack of morality and empathy to arrest immigrants who are not on your or anyone else's private property and who are not hurting anyone. Nobody needs to give a shit about some some bullshit unimportant citizenship documents.
@@presterjohn1697 lol. Just because you are an uneducated and dumb clown does not mean he is. Come back when you grow enough brain cells to pint out where he is incorrect. Until then dismissed as another uneducated clown who is an antivaxer because too Stu pyd not to be an antivaxer .
@@omarlocke4351 what does that have to do with the discussion here ? Also nature can be scary eg covid . Also did you see how we fought it with vaccines ?
Omar Locke! I almost didn't recognise your name! NOTE: This dude is a hopelessly ignorant antivax loon who is totally and completely ineducable. Nothing to see here.
WOW... wasnt expecting this one. Im a big fan of Dr. Offit. I think hes a great communicator
However among the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee he was a lone holdout against the majority concerning updating boosters. It's fine to disagree, but he goes one step further and makes a lot of noise in the press and podcasts, without stating when his expert opinion is a fringe opinion among other experts. He also asserts his philosophy that covid vaccines are only for avoiding hospitalization, not for avoiding symptomatic disease or critical illness, although the FDA committee heard evidence for those as well. I personally would like a vaccine to prevent those things as well as hospitalization, and most critically I'd like it to reduce the risk of long covid. But Offit just asserts all that away and says the vaccines' purpose is to prevent hospitalization, to support his fringe case about updating the boosters.
Funny seeing you here. I guess we're all watching other stuff while Mr borelli is sorting out his affairs
@ Mr. Borelli is probably going to prison. I think the Cherry stuff is what is going to take him down, sadly.
@@Dr.EgonCholakian i honestly haven't been following that closely. Is it really that bad?
@@TheAblist01 Yes
I just saw Dr. Offit on Bernie Sanders panel on vaccines! Stellar testimony👍🏼👍🏼
Oh need to see that . Available on yt?
@@Sceince01Yes, it is on Bernies channel.
@@Sceince01 Sure is!
@@Sceince01 it's on Bernie Sanders channel.
I replied twice and they're both not here. You can see it on Bernie Sanders channel.
Well... RFK might be a bigger health threat to America than COVID was. I'm hope I wrong. Greetings from over the pond.
I *almost* hope that he is, and that within a few months people realize what nuttery they have allowed to take over their health.
I hope you’re wrong too… and you most likely are.
No need to make it relative. As the #1 Dirty Dozen Disinformers about Covid vaccines, RFK is a significant danger (period).
Not likely. RFK, Jr. is practically a germ theory denialist.
@@JonSnow-YThandle, "covid" or the common cold?
Thanks to you both, & Dr. Racaniello & the TWIV crew for consistently accurate information & intelligent discussion.
I've been waiting for something like this. Here in the UK (and probably the rest of the world), it feels like society has purposefully just forgotten about the pandemic and never talk about it again. Our government just got everyone back to work and never had any sort of analysis or closure to give to the public. That's really not good for public trust in medical and scientific institutions, especially when it was so mismanaged and ill-communicated, by our government at least.
So thank you for this!
Always like listening to Dr. Offit. Good discussion. Thanks!
I was classed as extremely vulnerable by NHS , had letters and texts with this on , so I hid for two and a half years hardly went out , I had all my vaccines and boosters and was attacked on line by anti vaxxers telling me I would soon die . In between this my mother became ill and died , I was having to visit her in hospital but otherwise hardly went out . In June 2024 I finally caught Covid in Majorca and it was a very mild infection , but showed up straight away on PCR test . The infection was even milder than a normal winter cold and more like hay fever and I recovered well . I think my body was well prepared for it from previous vaccination . My wife didn’t even get the infection and she to is vaccinated , this is despite sharing hotel room sitting next to each other on the plane and in cars .
Welcome back Dr wilson glad your back!!
Dr Offitt, is right up there with Jimmy Carter, quality Human being! Thanks for this video Dr Wilson!
Paul is a quack.
@@georgewidger2306date a clown who can not tell his lower end from mouth . Lol
Carter was demonized back in the day. I hated that. Carter was a better leader and president than anyone byt, like JFK and FDR he wasn't perfect either. Why do we need super heroes? Why do we need heroes at all? Why do we HATE democracy and human rights?
Jimmy Carter was quite spectacularly wrong about some things: ruclips.net/video/iXHTmEUGR7c/видео.html
Offit was a fringe opinion on the FDA advisory committee about updating the boosters. Everyone else on the committee disagreed with him.
@@georgewidger2306You make a coyote look like Einstein.
Thanks
I watched him on the Dr. Mike Checkup podcast, it was a great interview. Can't wait to watch this one later.
Great conversation with Dr Offit, thanks Dr. Wilson 👍
Excellent interview. Dr. Offit is one of the best physician communicators we have seen during the pandemic. Its good to see him interviewed so professionally. I have highlighted the video and his book on my FB page with links to this video...hope you don't mind.
Brian Dingle, MD, FRCPC
Thanks for your input Prof Dingle, on this and Dr Oliver's channel.
Two of my favorite science communicators right here-- very grateful for this episode. (Also loved seeing Dr. Offit on Bernie Sanders' public health roundtable earlier today, and I always tune in to his Beyond The Noise chat on MicrobeTV. He's a legend!) Thank you so much! ❤
Thank you, Dr. Offit and Dr. Wilson .
Thanks for this interview. It's complex and scary. People should know this material, but they'd rather not.
I don't think there is any conspiracy theorist who would read 800 pages of data, especially understand it. 😂
Yet those empty vessels make the most noise 🙄
im really really really glad i never took 1 shot
@@Thomas-to5dr I'm really really really sorry you have such a defective 🧠
@@Thomas-to5drhow many of those 800 pages didn’t you read?
@ I dont need to read 800 pages of scientific literature to realize someone or some group is blowing smoke for ulterior motives. Most of the public has been conditioned to follow the herd right off the cliff.
Thanks Dr Wilson and Dr Offit for sharing your stories and perspectives!
Thank you both 👍
This video needs to be shared far and wide.
No, the opinions of the FDA Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee members should be shared far and wide. Offit was the lone holdout against updating the boosters. It is fine for experts to have a fringe opinion, but when speaking to non-experts it should be acknowledged as such. He makes a huge effort to get in the press and on podcasts, unlike the majority.
The absolute best piece I've seen on covid and vaccines in general. Thanks so much to both of you, for this and for the work you do.
I've been missing your content, Dr. Wilson, thank you for getting with Dr. Offit for a memorable and educational podcast.
The biggest mistake was having Trump in office during the pandemic. LOL We'll never make that mistake again. ... Wait ... SHIT!
@badatpseudo.....your comment is a reflection of your lack of insight. No problem babe, you will prosper with the rest of us.
@@TeressaStuckey-psychdataprosper under the orange fascist? Wow. That’s prime stupid there
When his words or media circus aren't considered concerning Covid, but his actions are, he did as well as anyone could have where it mattered. The right/left narrative has no value in this conversation.
❤
Trump helped create the mRNA vaccine, genius.
After Trump and Elon dismantle any/all departments setup to deal with the next pandemic.... GOOD LUCK! 😂😂🤣🤣😃😃
Dr. Offit is such an incredible medical and science communicator, I wish he would go on Joe Rogan.
That ship has sailed. The pro-vax side only does interviews with people who are 100% on board with their agenda. They can’t afford to get stuck on difficult questions.
Would be awesome if he went on Rogan.
Rogan had on Dr. Michael Osterholm on March 10, 2020 where they agreed not vaccinating kids was stupid. But then Rogan got $100 million from Spotify to grift from the right wingers and helped discourage millions from protecting themselves, with some of them dying or being hospitalized.
As a layman, I stayed informed from the very early days of the pandemic via Twitter (remember when Twitter was useful?). I'm very thankful for all the virologists, vaccinologists, epidemiologists, etc who shared excellent information freely and helped me understand what was happening. Medcram videos from Dr Seheult were also very helpful, although occasionally somewhat speculative. I hope we have effective social media platforms next time we have a pandemic. I was fully vaxed & boosted on each of my first days of eligibility. I feel that anti-vaxers should be triaged down the list if we have another pandemic that stretches hospital resources to the limit. In worst cases, where resources are really stretched, maybe people who refuse vaccines should just be given painkillers, food & water and moved to a quarantine ward. Harsh, I know, but health care professionals deserve protection from burnout so that they can treat the people who are prepared to be part of the solution.
I agree, Dr Seheult was useful, but not sufficiently so to be one of my primary sources of information.
Great discussion. Thank you to both of you.
Very good interview, thanks sirs
I had to fight to get prioritized for vaccines as I was working on the COVID unit and they were prioritizing the ER, ICU and surgical wards. I fought to get vaccinated.
Management kisses the behinds of the ER and surgical units as they bring in business and the ICU and ER because of TV and liability. I had to laugh about flu vaccine. Wear a mask the whole shift if you didn't get vaxxed, but visitors could wander in with the kids. However, covid was a completely different thing. I rushed to get that stuff!
Thanks for this!
Great video. Always learn something new. Thank you.
Love Dr. Offit!
This should never have been a political issue. But a cult of personality took it from the realm of public safety to that of controversy.
China's own response didn't help. Honestly, only New Zealand had anything close to sanity, and that wasn't enough to save them against a world gone apathetic. What do you do when your neighbor values a haircut over your safety?
Then there's the vaccines. I had ONE bad interaction with the J&J vaccine on my second dose (eight months after my original one; it triggered my Ménière's disease). But y'know what? I'd still have gotten it, because that helps me be less of a potential vector for the virus. I'm gotten boosted every six months since, and I've developed neither 5G or a case of sudden death.
But popular myths have started overriding common sense. Fear of the disease versus fear of a cure or preventative measure can be easy to manipulate. Think of how many people are terrified of somehow contracting HIV/AIDS from a handshake. Now those same people are convinced of "vaccine shedding." I've literally had someone back away from me on learning I had an mRNA-based injection, convinced they'll die just from being around me. We have entered a new age of ignorance, and it's so damnably depressing.
"New Zealand had anything close to sanity"
I always see NZ mentioned in that regard but, in fact, Australia actually came out soemwhat better.
Brilliant video; thank you so much. I'll be sharing it on my Facebook page.
Dr. Offit is a font of wisdom. Love hearing his first-hand accounts of medical practice.
16:12 "estimated that somewhere around 230,000 people died unnecessarily died because they chose not to get the vaccine"
I suppose there are various ways to estimate excess deaths. If you look at the vaccination status of those who died, and the proportion of the population who were vaccinated, the 230K number may be reasonable for people in the US with all of the context involved in that.
But there is another approach. I just looked at Our World in Data and compared the US with my own country (NZ). At the end of 2024 1.21M deaths were reported in the US and 4497 in NZ. Using the 2023 population figures that corresponds to 0.3613% for the US and 0.086% for NZ. The difference - 0.2753% - corresponds to 922K excess deaths in the US. This rather grim comparison is between the two countries' responses considered in terms of their aggregate result rather than individuals' personal vaccine decisions. And I think it points to the value of NZ's decision to "go hard and go early" as it was branded at the time.
Not an apples to apples comparison between an island ( easy to shut off to peeps) and a country whose population is less than a city in USA.
The comparison is not so fair, because NZ kept COVID out (almost completely) until the vaccinations had been well underway. In contrast, the US didn't.
Was it easy to control the (external) border? It didn't seem so at the time. In general the smaller a country is, the more significant the effect of its border: both geographically (a matter of geometry) and economically (NZ for example is hugely dependent on the flow of goods and people across the border). A comparison of the US with Australia, whose population is significantly larger than NZ and which has a much broader domestic industrial base, is similar to the US/NZ comparison.
(On a personal note, when border quarantines and a nationwide response to stop community spread was introduced at roughly the same time in NZ, Australia and Iceland, no-one was more skeptical than me about whether such a thing was even possible.)
My feeling is that internal "borders" - traffic of people and goods within a country - did prove difficult to control in all countries, even those that were prepared to respond socially in an aggressive manner. But, for me, this points to the need for countries to give some attention to this aspect of their response to infectious disease. As with the question of difficult and costly quarantines at the border, the choice is between fatalistically accepting the status quo and shrugging off comparisons as "unfair", and meeting the challenge raised by a pandemic.
To Marco's point that NZ kept local transmission of covid at bay until vaccinations were available: yes, it did. And the 922K number shows (I think) the result of taking that action despite the difficulties it involved.
Yes, NZ did a fantastic job with Australia not far behind. We had a couple of breakouts in Melbourne, which saw us locked down for longer, but it only takes one careless or unlucky person to cause an outbreak.
@@razerginnAustralia did pretty well. We had all state borders closed. It was illegal to travel between states without a permit. So, the island "excuse" isn't quite the full story. We had huge fines imposed for quarantine breaches.
So glad that you mentioned Malone - he became one of the biggest villains of the pandemic . Instead of using his talents to help he very likely harmed many many .
He is now a very sad isolated man raging even against his fellow antivaxxers.
@@williamverhoef4349 Are you still getting your boosters? You're supposed to.
@@bunsw2070people with brains do get boosters as facts and science supports them.
What talents?
@Science-007-a 😂😂😂 great satire
Our right to breathe Covid on others stops at our front door. It follows logically that those who can be vaccinated should not work in health care environments without being vaccinated.
Well-put, Prof Dingle.
thats y the smart ones quit until the news cycle rolled over
I hope we will be able to access Novavax next fall. Also- the flu was insane this year- vax may have helped but even my doc said " some kind of virus" looking at my bloodwork after the ER misdiagnosed me with a UTI! Six weeks I wuss so sick- tested neg for Cov twice.
Honest question: I don’t understand the “get the vaccine to protect others” argument. I’ve taken the vaccine myself, but I can still contract COVID-19 and transmit it. If I meet someone who’s immunocompromised and unable to be vaccinated, I could still infect them. How does my vaccination help protect that person?
You are less likely to contract it and should have a lower viral load.
@@aq9415good response. Also a lower percentage of the vaccinated transmit it to the others and also because they carry lower viral load there is some possibility that infection may be less severe , theoretical .
it doesnt. its called fraud
@@sebnewlook not true . By March if 2021 more than one large study had proven that it significantly reduces transmission . Every study done since than to evaluate this has shown it reduces transmission. Also experiments have shown that it does. So where did the fraud come in from ?
I got 6 covid vaccines over the last few years. I have never gotten covid. I never infected another person.
The vaccines just DECREASE the RISK of infection to yourself and others.
Vaccines are not magic shields.
But they do work well.
Awesome watch ❤
Thank you for keeping me educated.
The pacing of this episode is so reassuring. Like, the stammering questions to the emphatic well understood, well articulated replies. You can tell the interviewer is working hard and the subject really knows what he's talking about, or he thinks he does. So much confidence
This was so smart and informative. Thanks.
Amazing videos. Thank you. Your videos have inspired me to start my own youtube of similair style
Great guest. I don't always agree with him, but he is a good guy.
He like Wilson is a useful covidiot.
@@georgewidger2306You make a coyote look like Einstein.
@@georgewidger2306 based on what science do you base your opinion? References please.
what science causes you to disagree with him?
YT gave me this "Dr. John Campbell" recommendation in the side-bar. ruclips.net/video/lYkUjbixHLI/видео.html
2025 is just great huh?
Missed you ! Hope you are doing good off X 👍🏻 the place is more crap than ever
56:44 thank you, Dr. Wilson and Dr. Offitt! Great conversation
I absolutely love that Dr. Offit points out that the development of the vaccine wasn't starting in 2020 (or 2019). That year-long effort was to finalize and direct existing vaccines and then test for efficacy and safety.
Definitely the least mentioned topic about the pandemic. I think people not hammering that point home probably led to a lot of issues.
Want to end skepticism about medical science? Use policy to make medical bankruptcy impossible in the US. Earn some good will. Goes a long way .
I had the flu vaccine in October last year. I just got out of bed after getting flu with the worst cough I’ve ever had, sore throat, chills, runny nose… I was unable to get out of bed for 5 full days and spent most of the other days either in bed or lying on the couch. It was absolutely horrible. I think if I had not been vaccinated I would have been hospitalized and may have died, though I can’t prove it.
Sounds like it didn't work. Can you get a refund?
How do you know you had influenza?
@@pakmei1813 sounds like someone doesn’t know how vaccines work.
@@aq9415 symptoms? Negative Covid tests?
@@davidheard8015 Many viruses can result in you having flu like symptoms, whilst influenza itself can cause asymptomatic infections in a resonable number of cases.
If only this could be MANDATED for everyone to see. Thanks for getting Offit another soap box to spread the word
Mandates are not much of an issue in Australia. Fortunately, we have a very weak collection of very weak people advocating against vaccinations, we tend to be more community minded than in the US, and all major political parties support vaccinations to the extent that there is partisan support for making child and family support payments dependant on vaccination status. That might sound like discrimination against the children of antivax parents, but it works to keep child vaccinations high enough to reduce the risk of those children getting infectious diseases. For example, our COVID-19 deaths per million was 1/4 that of the US. I think this means that a libertarian political worldview doesn't work where public health is concerned.
Mandated 😂😂 you have no idea what Mandated even means 😂
@@mcardnas2984
Great stuff. Thanks to both of you
Offit's stance on boosters continues to be inexplicable. there's no reason *not* to get seasonal updates for COVID right before respiratory virus season and plenty of reasons to do it including re-upping your protection vs. infection and reduction of transmission at the highest risk point of the year.
It is to do with the fading increment of advantage with each successive booster. After the first booster for those less than about 65-75 years of age with no risk factors, it becomes negligible, and we should be spending our time, money and manpower on other stuff.
@@williamverhoef4349 that's simply not true. antibody contraction starts shortly after the peak of production and tails off completely after 6 months at most. the idea is to protect communities from transmission to the greatest extent possible. we know that transmission and infection rates drop sharply from a well-antigenically-matched booster right after dosing. that is absolutely worth the effort, time and money to make happen -- especially when it is timed correctly.
@@0xKruzr
You seem to have misunderstood my point.
Also, there is more to immunity than antibodies, and more to antibodies than antibody levels. Anyway...
@@williamverhoef4349 I didn't misunderstand your point. both of the things you just said are true and also orthogonal to my point.
@@0xKruzr
I was simply trying to explain to you the very thing that you said was inexplicable (about Dr. Offit's stance on boosters). I did not even say whether or not I agreed, just what his reasoning and explanation is about his stance on boosters. But, if you want to keep saying that you find his reasoning inexplicable then go ahead but please don't pretend that it IS inexplicable after you have had it actually explicated to you.
Next time suggest that there is a limited supply of the vaccine and only important people will be getting the vaccine. Perhaps also hint that there will be a high price to get vaccinated.
Free donuts 😂 vaccine tester for you ....❤😂
@@Muppet.mastersplendid. Thank you for volunteering.
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That's a recipe to cause an even worse social disaster than we already got
@@Muppet.masterYou make a Muppet look like Einstein.
I have mixed views about vaccine mandates, however a pandemic is a special case, also frankly so are babies and young children
@ actually that’s untrue, after the over 70s the under 5s are the next most vulnerable by age, not to mention unborn children. As with many diseases the profile is broadly U shaped. We also have to separate the risk for a new novel virus with an immune naive population va the situation now where the risks are very different
@ also worth noting children are a great spread vector !
If u went to public school or played sports, then u had gotten a vaccine by mandate. What's the difference?
Well said. I hope that disaster of JFK won’t be in charge
RFK jnr has said he will ensure vaccines have to go through the same rigouous safety testing as other medications, he has also said he will remove the shielding from legal action. If vaccines are 'safe and effective', why do they need protection from genuine vaccine damage? Some childhood vaccines are safety tested for 3 -5 days, compare that to other lucrative drugs which undergo testing for approx 7 years.
Vaccines go through ethical testing. That you don't understand that means you're ignorant and uneducated. That's why you listen to RFK Jr.
You are a liar and a fraud with no actual evidence.
@@geoffnelson6756 1) They have much stricter ones.
2) He's actively suing Merck, so the shielding is a lie you fell for. Also, they need protection so people can't claim a vaccine they had 15 years ago caused anything today. That's why a fund was set up for genuine damage.
3) You have zero idea how vaccines are developed and tested.
He first lied to you and took advantage cover your very obvious ignorance that vaccines are not well safety tested. Mo Ron if he brought it to the level of other drugs he would be down grading vaccine safety . They are held to higher standard. Also why would any be Stu pyd e ought listen to that igno rant clown that can not open his mouth and not lie.
No Ron you are confusing medications that people take daily for 20 , 40 60 years with vaccine that it a few times in a lifetime. There are no medical mechanisms that cause adverse effects that START after 8 weeks excite ADE which is also discovered quickly and vaccines that cause ADE were not allowed . Don’t fall for RFK jr bs , he is a completely igno rant clown .
Elephant in the room 58:25
I was recently with a group of 30 people traveling internationally when covid broke out. In that group, no doubt, the people who got the most shots caught covid and got the sickest. I'm confused.
Yes you are quite confused. Goodbye.
You are talking baloney.
You are a liar and a fraud.
Has he taken a covid booster now?
I had 4 vaccines this fall to protect my grandson. He has had 2 doses of rotavirus which I am so thankful for. 👏 My own son ended up dehydrated back in the early 90’s from the rotavirus. It was a tricky virus because he kept getting better, then worse again, then better again, etc (It was a vicious cycle). As a young Mom, it didn’t occur to me to take him to the ER. When we finally got to the pediatrician’s office, he said “one more vomiting occurrence and he needs to go to the ER”. I was too naive to recognize this. 🫤
I’ll never understand why people think it’s the responsibility of social media sites to sensor the content the users post. They would need to put all of that into their agreement everyone doesn’t read to start using the site. People are going to find the content they’re looking for one way or another, censoring n one platform does absolutely nothing.
"censoring n one platform does absolutely nothing."
Except it does - the algorithms of those platforms can then not highlight this content and push it onto people. It isn't about people actively looking for certain content, but the people who are dragged into black holes by the algorithm. I myself have had videos recommended that *I* know were made by complete idiots, but which will look credible for those who do not have sufficient background. Social media platforms taking their responsibility does a lot.
@ so you’re fine without free speech then? Who gets to decided what people can and can’t talk about? What happens when you go down that path? Where does it end?
@@burtstineman449 "so you’re fine without free speech then?"
This is a quite weird question, but one that supposed "free speech absolutists" always come up with. It is the strange notion that your right to free speech means *others must facilitate you in spreading that speech.* There is no such right!
And if you DO think there is such a right, please let me know where you live, so I can place some signs around your house that say you are a despicable human being who has done illegal stuff. You will then - of course! - allow those signs to remain in place, because "free speech" to you means that I not only am allowed to say whatever you want, others (including you) should facilitate that free speech of mine. And of course you will also not go to court, because to you "free speech" means others do not get to decide what I can and can't say. Right?
Nah, I doubt you'd ever allow this.
@@burtstineman449 Folks like you want freedom to lie. You're into the freedom to knowingly push conspiracy theories for fun and profit. You're into screaming fire in the movie theater to see everyone jump.
People like me think you should be free to say whatever you want AS LONG AS you are prosecuted for pushing lies and conspiracies. Liars, like Trump who lied about the 202 election among other things should be in jail
The problem is there is no accountability. The SC made him immune. They should be in jail with him.
Dr Wilson,
Can you please provide references to people saying after vaccination, you won't get infected.
I hear this often, but have not found such statements.
Thanks,
Ricardo from Australia
Look no further than Sleepy Joe Biden
There are video compilations of this. Are you serious?
It's all over the internet.
@@pakmei1813 Please provide a search term then
@@squatch545 Please provide a search term then
Not a bad interview for a mismatch between Interviewee (hyperactive) and interviewer (laid back). Well done, both of you despite your different approaches.
Who knows what's going on with Dr Oliver's channel vanishing? Hope it's just a momentary glitch of some kind.
@@MysticOblong yes I just found out , the whole channel as you say has disappeared.
@@samsmith962 Yes, the channel was terminated for violating RUclips's harassment policy (so RUclips say). There's a thread on Dr Oliver's Xitter about the channel termination. RUclips didn't provide a reason why it was terminated so it's anyone's guess as to what triggered it.
@ hi I am not on X please keep me informed, if you can. It’s as if a group of people are upset with Dr Oliver. OMG I am a conspiracy theorist.
😂😂😉
@@samsmith962 There's also a LucyHalway thread (yes I know...) on the most recent Debunk the Funk video talking about Dr Oliver's channel termination.
What is the efficacy of the current Pfizer Covid vaccine?
Same as always: Thankful i got injected otherwise it would have been worse. Couldn't imagine how bad it would have been if it wasn't for 5 doses.
@@pakmei1813 Good for you. Do you plan to continue to take boosters?
@@TheJonedvardsenlol, need sarcasm font. I didn't get injected at all.
@ How often do you take the booster? Glad that you have not been infected
@@TheJonedvardsen reading comprehension not the best?
Nice
Must admit debunk is trimming down to match his avatar.
Great chat.
Settled science? 😂😂😂😂 the science is never Settled!!
Congratulations You outed yourself as a fraud 🧐
@@mcardnas2984 so is that the only Tony you know about science ? Lol mor on so far all the evidence is for it . Say when you find any evidence against it. What a mo Ron
Well Paul there was lots of Ivermectin. But you debunked that!
Your point?
Mandates were a bad idea. The reason why these decisions are made by elected politicians and not virologists is because Drs are only narrowly concerned with mitigating the virus. Govts have to consider all the other effects both economic and social. This is why I think places like Sweden and Florida got it right. Yes they accepted more risk, but that's a decision the public gets to make for itself every day on a whole range of issues.
Sweden and Florida did not get it right . In fact Florida had higher mortality rate than many other states ( most republican states did ) and Sweden had higher mortality rate than all other Scandinavian countries and they admitted they were wrong
Florida also lied about how many deaths they had, they renamed some of them "non covid pneumonia" which conveniently increased starting in March 2020. The weird thing was to see all the anti-vax deniers whose gamble went badly show up at the emergency rooms when they couldn't breathe (I know more than a few who did that, personally). If they hate medicine so much, why go to a hospital? Stay home, go to a church for thoughts and prayers, or their local vitamin store ...
I doubt many people REALLY know what Sweden did, and also why it somewhat worked in Sweden. I have a small hint using an example: the Swedish government *advised* Higher Education institutes to switch to online teaching. ALL those institutes did so. Notably, whereas I, working in a neighboring country, was already back in my office at the University and teaching students in-person, my Swedish colleagues were still at home.
Oh, and Sweden also has higher vaccine uptake than the US.
@@Marco-it2mr Sweden handled it better than the USA, but Norway, Denmark and Finland (comparable countries) handled it better than Sweden.
@@markrobinowitz8473 Depends a bit on how you look at it. The first year of the pandemic, absolutely. Over the last five years (2020-2024), Sweden did comparable to the others.
I really enjoy this channel and the approach to showing the full picture on these types of subjects
Generally, I'm against vaccine mandates, but hospital workers and the military should be exceptions, because you are responsible for passing infection onto others, among sick people or in close quarters.
But Their vaxx doesn't stop transmission. What are you talking about?
@@yassirman1 😂
@@yassirman1 so tell us how vaccines work.
@@yassirman1 Seat belts don't stop deaths in road accidents but they reduce them. Vaccines and masks don't stop transmission but they reduce it.
In pandemic with us education system mandates are necessary because we have very high percentage of igno rant people who do understand benefits of vaccines .
Firstly thank you for your presentation. I feel there is one big elephant in the room that has not been discussed and I would very much like to hear both your thoughts on this… when trying to get to the bottom of any complex story such as COVID and what actually happened I like to remember the mantra “Follow the money”… perhaps the fact that big pharma made (and continues to make) such insane huge profits from COVID 19 is a reason people distrust the narrative you are expounding here. Perhaps if you addressed this issue the doubters (myself included) might be more inclined to listen openly to the information you are presenting… with the title of your video “mistakes made during Covid” perhaps some discussion of the inherently corrupt nature of the relationship between ‘Big Pharma’, government and the NIH/CDC is in order?
Look beyond America. There was high demand for vaccines globally from many non US suppliers.
"perhaps the fact that big pharma made (and continues to make) such insane huge profits from COVID 19 is a reason people distrust the narrative you are expounding here. Perhaps if you addressed this issue the doubters (myself included) might be more inclined to listen openly to the information you are presenting"
But WHY do you distrust information for the sole reason that you THINK Big Pharma makes "insane[ly] huge profits from COVID19"?
Pfizer made a nice profit in 2021 and 2022 (66 and 50 billion), but 2023 was already at a level LOWER than 2011-2017. Investors don't like that, and so its share price is back to 2013(!) levels. Notably, its income in 2021 and 2022 also was a lot higher, such that the profit in 2021 and 2022 was not "insanely huge" compared to its normal profit margin.
Notably, vaccines are notorious for their lower profit margin than many drugs (for example, the profit margin on ivermectin, at least in Western countries, is insane). They are, however, useful for companies, as they provide a steady income and less likely to get competition from generics when out of patent.
Also, why do you automatically assume that because someone promotes vaccines, it must be because Big Pharma makes a profit of those vaccines?
@@Marco-it2mrPfizer share price is back to it's 2013 level, wow.
@sebastion - you raise excellent questions and I find the contempt with which people have already responded to you to be quite odd.
@@semiprolific774
That contempt is in your own head, son.
The ONS in UK for children up to 21 gives a total of 37 deaths from Covid 19 between Jan 2020 and May 2021. I am confused as to why UK is so low compared to USA.
With maybe not from.
It's a lie that is why . You're right to question ❓⁉️❓
@@Barry-tl3rushut up troll
@jaykanta4326 your youtubes favourite bot you aren't lad. Been on Susan's lately. Nob.
Maybe population.
Individuals that see their freedom as overriding the health and safety of others fail to recognise all the times where their activities are limited to protect others. Logical consistency evades many people a lot of the time.
Their MASSIVE hypocrisy is laid bare by reductionism.
Name another time you had to be injected with an experimental genetic technology?
Title was a bit 'click-baity', but I'd have watched it anyway....
What are those experts saying it was a lab leak basing their opinion on?
Conjecture where many subsequently fill in that missing information with conspiracy ideation.
Well 1: lab leakers are ignoring facts
2: they are making tings up and have not used any facts and only used their statute. So it’s on people who are listening to those clowns even without facts. So essentially any body who listens to them is a personality worshipper and has no respect for facts or does not know how to analyze facts .
Basically, it was nothing more than political propaganda.
There is zero scientific evidence to support the Wuhan Institute of Virology as the origin of the pandemic. It was the politically motivated knitting together of dubious circumstantial evidence, wild speculation, and ignorant conspiracy type thinking. In all cases where this was being pushed by experts, they were motivated by their underlying libertarian worldview and/or personal fame and fortune.
The politburo gets together to discuss why the 5 year plan didn't do as well as expected. Surreal to see this. But then again, the Soviet Union and its perverse incentives lasted 70+ years.
ruclips.net/video/huhw5uSGobc/видео.html
Big Lysenko, and little Lysenko :-)
Get some mental help please
Does Dr. Wilson seem a little on his back foot? It is "confusing" may actually disturb his typical certaintly.
for sure, not buying it
Why didnt you ask Paul if he supports the great reset?
Because only the mo Ron ask that question .
Did you ask whether you can exchange your defective 🧠 ?
Ooooohhh…the hair is back! ❤❤
Did you lose it?
Its awful 🤮😱
It is a total lack of morality and empathy to request people to vaccinate against their will to help protect the health care system. The system is for people and not vice versa.
It is a total lack of morality and empathy for anyone to make the decision not to vaccinate in a pandemic situation. The protection of the health care system is not to “protect the system” - but to protect the people who need it.
The health care system is indeed for people, and thus YOUR bad decisions affect OTHER people.
So not only you don’t understand science but you are clueless lol was about humanity and civics science ?
Also do you think those who not vaccinate for their own benefit are just du mb or very du mb?
@TeressaStuckey-psychdata We're not going to let big government dictate where immigrants go or women's and doctor's abortion rights or workers' union rights
Trump is a convicted criminal with 34 felonies. Police did not enforce the Constitutional Law that forbids a TERRORIST INSURRECTIONIST from being POTUS.
So we are not going to allow anyone to enforce any of trump's illegal executive orders.
It's a total lack of morality and empathy to arrest immigrants who are not on your or anyone else's private property and who are not hurting anyone.
Nobody needs to give a shit about some some bullshit unimportant citizenship documents.
Dead suddenly.😢
Why did fauci get a pardon?
because we got crazies believing he's should be in prison for imaginary crimes
What george said plus there are MAGA people who are vindictive and want payback for the ways BS lawfare was used against DJT. Now they want to use it on Fauci, Milley and others.
Because Trump wants political and personal decisions ruling the country, not legal principles.
To prevent the republican weaponization of the govt. The FBI Nominee literally published a hit list of people to be prosecuted!. WAKE UP! BOT!
Because he is a real life super hero and cloaks like RFK jr and Rand Paul are after him to get votes from
The dumb
Lies about GBD >> credibility ruined
GBD was a eugenics suggestion to promote mass infection, paid for in part by Koch industries (who also brought us the John Birch Society). Some diseases are one-and-done, but Covid wasn't one of them, and mass infection just spreads illness and death, it doesn't stop the spread. Red states and counties had worse death rates than Blue states and counties.
You sound scientifically illiterate - what level of science education do you have?
@NextScamdenic
these guys are true believers, lol.
Comes with education, please go watch some more conspiracy videos, this isn't for you
@@censortube3778 thanks for the advice, lol.
This mo Ron confused post marketing study with double trial and thinks trial was supposed to last 2 years and cannot tell us which steps were skipped. Also he is so infected ly Stu pyd that he says after thousands of softening the most studied vaccine in history that has proven its benefit .
So if you were not a mo ron would you still be antivaxer ?
It's a total lack of morality and empathy to arrest immigrants who are not on your or anyone else's private property and who are not hurting anyone.
Nobody needs to give a shit about some some bullshit unimportant citizenship documents.
@@pakmei1813 And nobody has to obey trump's fascist illegal executive orders.
Are you chaps trying to deceive me to get e money from me ?....i am not buying it
Test we know you ate too stupors to understand anything
Deceive you about what?
Offit is a psychopath.
Just because someone who just got off of the meds says so ? Go try this rant in an anti vax community . They are uneducated as you are
Hope you and yours won't need Social Security or health care when your fake King Donald guts them, if you're in the USA.
@@presterjohn1697 lol. Just because you are an uneducated and dumb clown does not mean he is. Come back when you grow enough brain cells to pint out where he is incorrect. Until then dismissed as another uneducated clown who is an antivaxer because too Stu pyd not to be an antivaxer .
nature is not unpredictable or scary.
Nature is pretty scary considering a woman gave birth to someone who makes comments as idiotic as yours.
@@MysticOblongAin't that the truth 🙄
@@omarlocke4351 what does that have to do with the discussion here ?
Also nature can be scary eg covid . Also did you see how we fought it with vaccines ?
Omar Locke! I almost didn't recognise your name!
NOTE: This dude is a hopelessly ignorant antivax loon who is totally and completely ineducable.
Nothing to see here.
@@Science-007-acovid came from a lab. there was never a need to “fight it”.
WEF puppets
Because?
Debunk looks like he doesn't believe a word Offit is saying.
put your glasses on
You sound like you don't have a properly functioning 🧠
Dr. Wilson is complicit in the carnage.
The carnage of your 🧠 death?
@@lindaward 12+ boosters and counting. Are you up to date.......following the guidelines of a captured regulatory body?