Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power - Episodes 1 & 2 - Angry Review
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AngryJoe, OtherJoe & Alex give their thoughts on Amazon's BILLON Dollar show, The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power, should everyone watch the giants big gamble? Is this a story worth telling? Our thoughts!
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If Galadriel is that angry that her elder brother is dead, imagine how pissed off she's going to be when she remembers that her other two elder brothers are also dead.
Edit: Her other three brothers are dead. I forgot about Orodreth. Now she'll be REALLY pissed.
Imagine when she finds out her brother died desperately needing the toilet and crying like a little girl.
The dialogue is the biggest factor why I didn't like these 2 episodes. It is very annoying, tropey, and predictable:
"Orcs attacked my hometown."
"Really? Where is your hometown?"
"I'll tell you later but first we must have some verbal sparring."
"Okay. I'm an Orc hunter but I'm not gonna reveal that right now so we can have a misunderstanding."
Everyone talks like that. Galadriel, Elrond, Prince Durin, Norin, Arondir, etc. I swear I predicted what everyone was going to say by applying that "Miscommunication Trope". Try it next episode I guarantee you it will work.
@Zike mazowski Then don't make it about Galadriel at all! Problem solved
Also that daddy stayed at home and wanted nothing to do with Middle-Earth and the exiled (including her).
she wasn’t as close to them
The way they are betraying Galadriel's character is pretty sad. By this time in her life, if a troll rocked up on her, all she would have to do is look it in the eye and it would either run a way in fear or be instantly tamed and never hurt anything again.
Ironically, the whole girl-boss action hero gimmick is underselling her.
What’s with movies and TV shows in recent years making all the women into these toxic “yass slay!” Girlbosses?
They even had a guy to raise her up, just like in superwoman they have a bunch of inept men raise the woman up. There's no equality in their views. But it's funny, by simply filling masculine social tropes with female character types who embody those very tropes it might not be so much an elevation of the femenine as much as a blind attachment to the masculine qualities as the ones that actually matter. These corporations couldn't tell their right from their left
She barely even tried and killed it easily. Maybe she was saving all her spell slots incase sauron was around the next corner
@@bol317 spell slots?! Hahaha
Solid joke.
I agree shes better as a sorceress, but i suppose that might be more boring visually? IDK...
Alex's facial expressions to Joe's thoughts are hilarious.
their confusion is funny, like totally dont know anything, like they would enter room with dump on the table and start talking stuff like " it feels somekinda ... off??...right?"
Alex expressions says it's all...
Alex is the dude that want to be Critical Drinker guy. He does that cause he kbow million of people will like his opinion instead of someone positive. He sucks too much. His opinion was based on "people" not him. His score was based on some super conservative dude crying about a black elf with shoet hair not his own opinion.
You mean Alex knows better what a piece of nerd shit this show is? Or is he more knowledgeable in the lore to appreciate this piece of nerd shit show?
It's most of the reason I still watch these.alex is the only adult with any standards on this show. Joe and baby hoe are goofs with low standards and simple minds
Alex nailed it. Leave the main story points alone and fill in the gaps. For instance, there is really nothing in the books/lore regarding Elrond and Durin so it's a perfect gap that can be filled. But altering Galadriel's story makes no sense. Overall, I tried to watch it for what it is, but as Alex put it, "Death by a thousand cuts."
Just IMAGINE they had made Galadriel a sorceress and she used magic to kill the Troll. That scene could have been so epic and shown her insane power.
AND then they could introduce the big bad, who nearly kills/defeats/hurts Galadriel etc. so we can see how much of a threat we are facing.
But no, they had to turn her into a man with a sword and armour.
It's early days man! Let's give this show a chance! And given it's highly limited premise with an age that is filled with gaps, sure... It's obvious that this is very much a heavy adaptation on scarce source material. And as for the pacing I'm actually OK with it... I want this to be a slow burn... A slow build up to something, hopefully, spectacular later on down the road. This show has HUGE potential... And if they can build upon these two episodes then I think we're in for a ride!
And I have to say, given all the negative and unfair backlash that this show has already suffered... A show that's barely started! I was surprised that I actually liked it more than I was expecting! And I suspect that, given time, some people will come around too. A lot of the negative backlash has been hysterical and irrational... But if the show continues to improve, then it will overcome such nonsense!
Nonetheless, if what we've seen thus far is about as good as the show gets... Well then, there's a good chance it might fail! But let's get real... Lots of shows start off slowly, so I really can't see this being the case!
I guess only Time will tell but, I for one am now officially invested... A pleasant surprise... Totally out of the blue!
@@sdwone they spent a BILLION on this.
The more I think about it, the more I hate it.
They were given EVERYTHIng to make this show good and it is average at best.
How can you shill for Amazon so much? ONE BILLION and 2 episodes, which have bad writing and bad acting in parts.
@@mrfreeman2911 I'm not shilling dude, I, along with others, just happen to like this show... A show that's barely started! I mean, TWO episodes in and people are already writing it off!?
And besides, we're not part of the Borg Collective... Yet! So people are free to form their own opinions... Shock Horror I know!!!
@@sdwone 2 episodes. How many episodes is the first season? 8 spisodes. We are already 25 % through the season.
I criticised the writing. It is bad. You think the writing is good? if you do, name me the part that has good writing.
The writing is bad and my example is her brother telling her about stones looking down.........wtf does that even mean.
I like the look on Alex's face while joe butchers the Lore
No surprise, Joe even got House of The Dragon characters wrong. Sometimes I wonder if he even pays attention or just drinks too much when they watch the shows.
@@TanThighsYum Probably both. If it's boring and uninspired writing, I would be unable to pay a lot of attention too.
@@Mr.KittensAndGibberish he does this with every show/movie/video game though.
@@GnomeChompsky94 That's just not true.
@@TanThighsYum You'd have to drink a lot to be able to put up with the audience he's cultivated over the years.
Thank God Alex is on this show. He seems very grounded and knowledgeable on so many things. His comments frequently match what I am thinking. I appreciate his insights.
I love him, but Joe can be a bit of a mindless shill sometimes....
Eh, I’m sure he has read the books and likes them and is a fan but he is most definitely not as knowledgeable as he seems to think he is. There were quite a few things he mentioned in this review that were not accurate at all in regards to lore specifics.
I agree mate, thank god for Alex.
@@winstonsmith8482 I agree mate, I suggest checking out Razorfist's video. It's brilliant.
I agree about Alex. Ive been finding myself souring on OJ lately. He he has the same take about every review. "It was okay, a little slow, not too interested yet, but okay. 6/10." He's so uninterested it affects my enjoyment of the video. Whether they like whatever it is or not, Alex and AJ care about what they're doing.
When Galadriel saw the rings and said "Impressive, very nice, let's see Paul Allen's ring" i literally started crying. As if Tolkien himself wrote this masterpiece
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These posts are getting cringe, my guy. I'm not for this adaption, but when I see people doing these dumbass meme posts as a means of criticism... I'm just tired of it.
I’m crying 😂😂😂
The watermark my god
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I’m with Alex on this one, when you know the story and characters, you have certain high expectations
Yeah but those expectations should be there. If you come up with your own story you get some leeway. If the story is already written and you're just copying it into TV format, you better get the damn story right.
this is tolkien, and they spent a billion dollars. high expectations are completely justified. the only reason they can’t pull it off is because of corporate incompetence, horrible writers and lack of faithfulness to the source material and a determination to make their own subpar story interesting to people who want to see what tolkien wrote.
@@jfk8540 exactly what Disney did to Star Wars and look how the sequel trilogy turned out absolute 🗑
Joe is too busy drinking soy milk
Even without knowing the story. I watched lord of the rings over and over as a kid and I rewatched it again last year and I was reminded why I loved the movies. They genuinely felt like an adventure story that had a level of seriousness to it.
This show is just a big disappointment, I can't take it seriously, nor can I connect to the characters.
It's the kind of show they play on mute in the electronics store to show off the screen's quality.
Oh my gosh. I haven't seen this show but this is one of the biggest disses I've seen for anything, lol. Ouch.
that's fair
LOL
Yeah exactly 🤣
Wow that’s perfect 😮
Alex has a lot of patience - i've notice this many times.
always taking interruptions like a champ
he have patience with his boss, you don't say
Alex just loves dialogue and big words that make him feel smart, you can have little words that everyone can understand and still have action and great diverse creatures and magic. He wants House of Cards from a show about elves, stone giants, shadow kings & ghost dragons. They want such grounded shows out of shows that go beyond courtroom cases and arguments in a room or 5 people. Alex has some great points every now and then but he just loves to always feel big when he could just chill out and enjoy something more then just dialogue and big words.
That's his boss, what's the alternative?
@@KingTairun he listens to OJ too.
they are friends before boss and employee.
I love the part when Galadriel raises her lightsaber and says “Your a wizard Harry”. Made me cry tears of joy
I love the part where this is a copypasta, wow bro epic
Still doing this cringe crap
@@MrBrooks444 it's still kind of funny, lmao. RoP is a solid 6-6.5. Thank god House of the Dragon is airing alongside it because it's much better. I think Galadriel having a lightsaber would actually make the show better.
*You're
Loved the joke. Gave me a good laugh. 👍
Her rendition of "Anaconda" was really inspiring. 10/10
Just to let you know, the shipwreck that Galadriel happened to find in the middle of a foggy sea, it's original name was the U.S.S Plotarmor. That is how it endured hurricane level waves and wind.
Lmfao
How could a Uni Sovyet Ship stranded there?
IMO that's Sauron and he's protecting the raft from everything that comes its way.
Damn that lore was so deep, Tolkien couldn’t even find it. Impressive
I think it may have actually been the USS Liberty...
The part when Galadriel said "I have a need, a need for speed." I got a little emotional. Such a powerful line.
Up there with "It's Morbin Time" for quotes.
I really liked when she told Gandalf, "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, if you don't have family."
@@Tracer_Sweat It's a story about family, that's what makes it so powerful.
Cringe gen zombie meme
Trash
I loved the scene were Sauron asked Optimus Prime "is that an big wrench in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?"
I cried, so stunning and brave.
Is this supposed to be funny?
@@tordb your a boomer aren’t you
This jokes are becoming so lame
@@117MasterSpartan Bruh, the joke getting old and isn’t funny anymore
@@tordb Well personally i loved that scene where Sauron talked to Frodo through the ring and said "Mama always said life is like a box of chocolate, you never know what you're gonna get."
Alex, as usual, on point.
IMDB deleted ALL negative reviews.
On IMDB, the first page on Rings of Power, the top review had 2/10.
And majority of the reviews gave it from 2-3/10.
Now the top review is 9/10, but has only 300 upvotes and 1100 downvotes.
They also deleted my 2/10 review.
Now I know for a fact that IMDB takes money to heighten movie reviews. I always suspected it, but now its confirmed.
@@vipr1142 well, IMDB is an Amazon Company… 😅
@@vipr1142 who gives a shit. This people are some 9y old crying on sone haircut
@@lysander969 I did not know that
Time to stop using IMDB then ^^
That's the power of having a diverse cast. :- }. Because I just finished the lord of the rings movies this year. Never read the books. I am willing to give Rings of Power a chance.
I agree with Alex. It is a death of a thousand cuts. I know the lore really well and the amount of deviations or inaccuracies really just grinds my gears. It is very distracting for me while watching the show. And he is right, Galadriel is treated as some talented warrior but her own king doesn't treat her seriously, in reality she was one of the older elves that was alive then, she was the eldest living elf in the House of Finwe, the literal founding house of the Noldor elves. She would have, by the time of the events of the show, been powerful and well-respected by other elves. She would not have to beg for an audience with Gil-galad (depending on which Tolkien notes you take as fact, she is an elder cousin/aunt/relative of Gil-galad). I am not convinced by the casting of Gil-galad, and I don't like the changes they are making to Elrond and Gil-galad's characters compared to what is already established. And Galadriel is almost unrecognizably changed. I really really like they should have just made some generic fantasy show with these characters rather than irreversibly alter already existing characters into something so completely different. I can see how someone who has no clue about the Tolkien lore might enjoy the show, but all these little things add up to making the experience of watching it unenjoyable to me.
I wonder what percentage of viewers actually knows about what Tolkien wrote in the subtexts. I have not read them so deviation from the books is not affecting the show for me and I actually really like the characters and story so far.
Also, why does everyone need to “know where the story is going”. Isn’t part of the fun the not completely knowing?
It should have been called Lord of the Rainbow.
@@decibel0746 they need to know where the story is going because this is essentially a prequel to actual story told by Tolkien. That's the problem, you don't change the original author's story.
@@michaelcosta7235 I hear ya. I’m excited to see how they connect the stories.
It's failure at every step of the way except for the visuals... but even they seem, what is the right word... artificial? Same with the visuals for the characters themselves. They just seem more like Cosplayers rather than the actual actors... or that it's Star Trek races, not Middle-Earth Races. They are all just humans with fake ears, big noses, stout and short, or just hobbit-sized, etc.
It's really painful to watch when everything is making my brain proverbially scream at me 'uncanny valley!!'
What bothers me as a woman is this: when women are written JUST to be badass that type of writing is solely happening BECAUSE OF THE GENDER. And it's tropish and annoying and so blatantly "we're just doing this so you ladies out there can FEEL GOOD." but when it comes to listing awesome fictional women, I sooner list off a dozen female characters from the 90s, 2000s, 2010s that are well written than like most modern day ones...with a few exceptions. One being Arcane. When you FOCUS ON THE GENDER you lose your audience, cause you're alienating half your audience. EVEN some women out there as well. Us women we don't just want people we can look up to. We want women we can RELATE to. Legolas taking out an Oliphaunt is different from Galadriel taking out an ice troll because of one thing; HE WORKED FOR THAT WIN. Meanwhile Galadriel just DOESN'T EVEN LOOK at the thing she's taking out. That's badass, but not feasible. Especially when the FELLOWSHIP as a WHOLE had trouble with a cave troll.
Hollywood needs to look at these rules for writing women: *key thing* is agency. Women need to have their own agency.
*Second:* don't be afraid to show your female characters to SCREW UP every once in a while. We're only human. We're not infallible. Stop acting like we are. The only way we grow is when we learn from MISTAKES.
*Three:* character first not gender first. Let the story and setting determine how this character looks and acts not the gender.
*Four:* FIX bad tropes by making them into good tropes and making them organic. Why is Jinx so well written in Arcane? They removed the Manic Pixie Dream Girl and just made her SAD. You cannot sexualize Jinx like you can in LoL because she's wholly different from her LoL self.
*Five:* love is power relationships aren't a weakness it's a strength I don't know much about them as an asexual but from my own upbringing, whenever my mom had a low point, my dad was there to help and vice versa they were stronger together.
*six:* neutralization Arcane does this really well Caitlyn's parents have role reversal the mom is doing typical dad things like kicking the door down and having a political role, the dad is doing typical mom things like caring for Cait and being emotional, but it's not just them it's other characters in the show, so you don't realize it until you finish Arcane.
Lastly the world can open doors to talk about stigma and the real world but it needs to be blended in so well it's almost in the background, DO NOT empower women at the expense of men it just makes you as a writer look like an ahole, EXPRESSION OF EMOTION IS NOT HYSTERIA OR A WEAKNESS. Humans are emotional creatures, we are not based in LOGIC and ROBOTIC motions and writers need to remember this.
Do this to write women and you're all set.
But what about trans people? They are more important!! You're a bigot!
How much empowerment and motivation do women actually require? It's like dealing with toddlers at this point, lmao.
Long gone is the 'I am woman, hear me roar'.
Show states she had just fought for centuries (it's alluding to the War of Wrath, though the show doesn't have rights to use that name). She has more fighting experience than all the members of the fellowship combined. She's in a whole other league of ability to compared to the fellowship. If you have a problem with her being powerful take it up with Tolkien.
I wish they'd listen to people like you. I really wish they would.
I think you got this show mixed up with prey. Literally what you're talking about refers to that movie.
This show is the equivalent of an influencer flexing how much money they have to try make up for their lack of an interesting personality
Lmao. Pretty accurate
Good analogy
The Rice Gum of tv shows
Haha. Poetic, love it mate! 🍻
I thought it was good. If you have a problem with black actors you must have an issues with dragons right? Or Elijah Wood, the lead actor in Happy Feet and Flipper was a historically accurate orange haired, irish accent Hobbit right??? Right?
It began with the forging of the great films. Threads were given by Tolkien, immortal, wisest and fairest of all beings. Rights were granted to Jackson, great miner and craftsman of the mountain of lore. And nine, nine hours were gifted to the race of men, who above all else, desire quality. But they were all of them deceived, for another show was made. In the land of Amazon, in the fires of Mount Prime, the Dark Lord Bezos forged in secret a master flop. And into this show he poured his money, his greed and his will to dominate all film. One show to ruin them all.
For into darkness fell Tolkien's star,
In Amazon, where no bathrooms breaks are.
Bezos actually sounds like a dark lords name, this was epic😂
Did you think of this all by yourself?
Best comment ever😍😂😂
This was hilarious and brilliant! 😂
@@davidh7088 It's the script to this: /watch?v=4g5jFYeBmLA
When Galadriel said “So what are we? Some sort of Rings of Power?” That hit deep.
Yeah, very memorable scene, that. Definitely on par with when Elrond said "You shall be the Fellowship of the Ring."
I loved the scene when Gandalf faced Balrog and yelled "I didn't hear no bell."
The show should have been 10 out of 10 with the budget and the whole Tolkien universe. ( **Big fail it's only average** )
Even what AngryJoe, OtherJoe and Alex gives it average, is just generous as they already know too many things are wrong from the beginning.
AngryJoe = Tries to give every movie/games a chance to find their potential. A fair critic and open minded viewer
OtherJoe = Wants simple and epic entertainment
Alex = Holds on to logic and facts, grandmaster in lore and low tolerance for bullshit
I have my reason why I have been watching this channel for over 8+ years
This needs to be a top comment since people can’t understand why other people can have a different opinion.
You're welcome to an opinion, but don't try to state your mostly unqualified opinion as a fact.
@@ArrctvHe's also entitled to state his opinion with confidence, and if you don't like it you are entitled to disagree. But you can fuck right off trying to tell him how he should state his opinions. We're not talking about medical advice here.
for a billion dollars, it shouldn't have to try and find its feet. They keep allowing them to make mediocre content and ruining IP's that now an actually qualified not woke moron won't touch because of how much money will be lost on this.
Only average? What shows have you been watching? This show was was one of the most amazing tv shows I’ve ever seen in my
Life. Just shows how spoiled people have become since 2000
13:21 OJ's point about it feeling more like a bunch of larpers than actual LOTR characters was exactly on-point.
Time stamp?
This isnt a lord of the rings show. This is a poor representation of Hollywood activitists trying hard to shove their bullshit in lore. The fact that amazon literally wanted to adapt this into modern culture should be a crime in of itself. I cant count how many times the actor that plays theblack dwarf said "we needed a show to make ppl who look like me feel represented, i am the first female black dwarf" is beyond cringy and annoying especially for black ppl like myself. I watch a show to escape. I LOVE LOTR Trilogy and even the Hobbit. I never once said i need more black ppl to feel represented. This doesnt feel like a work of Tolkein at all. Its called plagiarism. U steal work and presant it in a way thats true like u did it.
@@paulypipes3082 dude your whole spiel is cringe. You're now more annoying than any liberal or SJW ever was, and that's saying something.
there is larpers better equipped
@@paulypipes3082 That's because they don't have enough rights to present this kind of story. It's basically a fanfic.
When Galadriel said 'IT'S MORFYDD TIME' and led the charge on the beaches of Troy I was so impressed. True Tolkien at its finest.
Joke is dead at this point. You guys aren’t funny
@@Mirage475 I still find them all funny. They are written better than the show even.
@@Mirage475 joke still good boi
@@Mirage475 you seem fun
20 years since the Fellowship movie and Joe still cannot say GA-LA-DRI-EL
Who dafuq is galdrel?
thats how its pronounced
@@xXTopGXx no, it's pronounced in elvish like Mike L said: ga-LAAAAA-dri-el
Showrunners cannot say it too
Who Cares
@@RonhozZ Well, people who expect other people to have some form of competency for one, 20 years is a very long time to learn how to do something simple and if one cannot learn in 20 years then what are you supposed to think about them.
I bet you love RoP.
Episode 1 definitely has that "cannot skip cutscene" vibes lol
Yes!
What do you mean?
Exactly!!
Damn this is spot on. That’s exactly what I felt.
YES I was trying to find a way to summarize it and you did it perfectly. Second episode was much more engaging
They’ve adapted some stuff I’d prefer they’d not. For starters, they make it seem like Galadriel has only one brother (finrod) and with that they’ve seemingly pulled him out of the Beren bromance and just had him die in some random battle.
C’mon man. My dude didn’t die fighting a werewolf bare handed just to be grave robbed.
Also, he reincarnates shortly after, which would make Galadriel's motivation for hunting sauron non existent. They would have rewirete the whole show if they decided to do this single detail correctly.
They don’t have the rights to the Silmarillion, the best they could have done would have him with Beren, but the claw marks on his body seem to indicate his death was the same
@@jarettkwiatek2122 I did not even notice claw marks. Ill have to go back and check that out.
What are their rights exactly? as they do happily show the two trees of valinor in scenes and advertisement.
Guess they have some access to the first age.
@UC4ovKXbWQrAPxIQraa5N5wg Yeah, I'd say they do leve it alone, but mainly because in LOTR/Hobbit, Humans are the protagonists fo the story, so we don't really have a focus o Elves, their families, their death etc. But when we go to 1st/2nd age stuff, Elves are the main focus, thus the Mandos stuff automatically becomes more important, especially when one of the characters (Finrod) has a VERY important moment related to Mandos as he was one of the only 2 elves that are shown to be reincarnated in the books. So I'd say the had to leave this key moment out so Galadriel's plot could exist in the show.
And Galadriel is the aunt of the king gil - galad,! Why is she so submisive?
Based purely on my own knowledge of Galadriel from the books I expected her to use some kind of spell to go back to Middle Earth from the Valinor ship. I was fucking shocked when she started literally swimming back.
This version of Galadriel is not based on TLotR books. She’s based on the silmarillion, and she’s actually pretty accurate to the book
@@chrismichaelis7259 no, she's based on tlotr appendices, couple pages in tlotr book regarding second age - they do Not have the rights to the silmarillion. Also she's not accurate in the slightest.
Funnily enough one of the scholar's that got fired from the show kept on saying that they where messing with the lore to much from what Alex mentions I'm not surprised WE WHERE LITERALLY WARNED.
@The Rotten💯 Yeah they kept on mentioning to Amazon that they where messing with the lore to much and it's rumoured that's why he was fired.
... like the trilogy did not? Its normal to change bits, issue is movies pulled it of, series so far did not
@@nythyas123 amazin shill
They are combining thousands of years of lore into a singular linear storyline, mixing with new elements that are totally original. It only makes sense that a ton of lore isn't going to play well with such a large truncation of time/lore.
It's were not "where"
For the most expensive tv show ever, i expected more than a "meh"
There's still 6 episodes left
@@TheBlueArmageddon cant change it when ep 1 and 2 are non sensical and lore butchering
@@TheBlueArmageddon the first ep is supposed to be one of the best ones to get people hooked... If ep 1 and 2 are shit don't expect much better later on
@@TheBlueArmageddon so what? we already are 2h in to the show. so you want me to wait 6 more episodes to judge the show? the show costs 1 billion dollars. you normies were saying the same thing with picard, halo, witcher,. wheel of time . " ITS JUST FIRST EPISODE, IT WILL BE GOOD." xd
@@ImotekhtheStormlord-tx2it This season hasn’t cost a billion to make. People love throwing that number around and it isn’t even true.
It cost around $435m for season 1. Considering that it’s basically an 8 hour movie - with movie grade production - it’s not actually an insanely expensive show.
All that coverage has been somewhat overblown. I think that 1 billion figure comes from combining the production costs of season 1 AND 2 and also possibly what Amazon paid for the rights from the Tolkien estate.
So, you can stop attacking this season for costing a billion. It didn’t.
Elrond and Durin scenes leave the other actors in the dust which is why it stands out so much more
When Elrond says how could the tree not grow in such a loving home, I actually felt that, such a good scene. The rest of the show was just okay to good.
I refuse to watch the show. Is Elrond supposed to be the "elf" who has the "angry lesbian" / "90s female politician" haircut? Is that the guy who is supposed to play Elrond? The one dressed in old lady's night gowns?
@@KosmicNomad "When the moon festers in the scorching high noon sun, that's when all the cats return home"
That's what counts as profound writing according to the show runners of rings of power (and from the teasers I've seen lol)
@@godofchaoskhorne5043 your opinion is invalid unless you watch the show. Then you can shit on it as much as you want
They are the only redeeming part of the show. The other 2 plot lines are boring
Imagine a bunch of people from Comic-Con, with no acting experience, cosplaying as the characters from Lord of The Rings, and they walk into an elaborate billion dollar CGI environment. The environment they are in is visually breathtaking, but the people themselves can't emote, nor can they convey the power and screen presence that the original ensemble cast had in the Peter Jackson classic trilogy. That, my fellow disgruntled viewers, is Amazon's The Lord of The Rings: Rings of Power. Its an aesthetically impressive spectacle bereft of the acting and engaging characters that made Jackson's magnum opus such a captivating work of art.
I was cringing at how many times Galadriel pronounced her name differently. Really really good acting ....
Spot on description!
Couldn't say better myself.
damn people really didn't enjoyed it. I watch the two episodes and was like "okay that was more enjoyable than house of dragons" and then i see all the opinion online
@@ha-kh7ef complete opposite, I enjoyed house of dragon, reminded me of the 1st season of GoT. Gonna watch 3rd episode soon.
While watching Rings of Power I've checked the timer at around 24th minute, which is a really bad sign. Actors seem to be in a play instead of a movie, which breaks immersion for me.
I was about to reply, but you summed it up perfectly, Drake. I enjoyed it, though, and I look forward to the upcoming episodes. I can add that I like it more than House of the Dragon.
My favorite thing these days is watching the look on Alex's face while Joe rambles.
"Rambles" is on point. Lmfao.
How can anyone watch 50 minutes of Joe's rambling is beyond understandable for me.
Look at Joe's face when Alex and OJ are talking.
looks borderline POd
I'll stick to the movies.
LotR EE trilogy is all of the content and entertainment we need
The original three, not the Hobbit trilogy.
All about the original extendos
@@austins.2495 except for the battle scene. And the dragon scenes
@@austins.2495 I forget the hobbit trilogy exists lol
The "Dwarf Item" isn't a mystery. It's Mithril, the same substance that Bilbo's/Frodo's chain shirt was made of.
Or a silmaril
@@Durendail I think they can mention them like they did w/ Feanor/his hammer but showing don't think so
@@Durendail that’s a pretty BIG story change if it is one.
I guess it could be the one that was dropped in a fiery chasm?
The other two are long gone tho.
Pretty sure the Tolkien estate wouldn’t be too happy if it was. They’re pretty protective.
Who knows tho - it could be.
It probably is Mithril which the whole reason the realm of Khazah Dum fell they dug too deep for Mithril and unleashed Durin's Bane.
It looked really glowy though, so I don’t think it could be mithril.
Alex needs his own channel.
Exactly!
Yeah totally joe just holds him back
@@RUclipsGuy825 and cuts him off. Well, he cuts everyone off and is kinda simple minded tbh lol
He's the only reason I watch the AngryKarenShow, when I do
@@raypeterson8600 haha perfect😂
Galadriel has been butchered plain and simple. Imagine a Superman adaptation where the writers said "Let's turn him into The Punisher instead" so Superman became a mass murderer. And we're all just supposed to act like they nailed the lore.
Superman: Red Sun
They didnt talk about what i felt was the worst problem, the writing. The writing was juvenile in my opinion. Every few minutes there was some flowery one liner attempt at philosophy. It was awful, I dont know how they didn't discuss it during the reviews.
“Boats float because they look up”. That’s not mystical it’s dumb
THANK YOU!!! It was atrocious...it was like getting a bunch of people drunk and telling them to recite Shakespeare.
It's like the kind of cringe I might have written aged 15, thinking I was being deep and philosophical.
IKR ...writting was so bad ...that I was cringing throughout the whole episode.
Its so fucking dumb and it feels like they did the dialog in 0.75 speed its so dumb
Alex needs to be the upper voice in this reviews, he clearly knows more than Joe (no hard feelings for joe btw)
Well you want AJ's perspective because it aligns more with the vast majority of audience, I can guarantee you most have not read the books or know the lore outside of the movies. You really want all of their opinions though.
I think my biggest problem with Rings of Power is that it doesn’t exactly hook me that much, and it hurts it even more since House of Dragon is also out and while it not perfect, it’s better at hooking me than this.
I mean they are not the same genre, HotD is political modern fantasy while ROP is classical heroic fantasy.
That is like comparing star wars with the Expanse, they are both scifi but completely different subgenres
Yeah just saw ep3 of House of Dragons just after the pilots of Ring of Power, and they really are not in the same league. Rings of Powers make me think of the old 90s fantasy series quality wise plus expensive music and sfx, while House of Dragons is modern quality series.
I agree that HotD is exponentially better at hooking a viewer. As it does a whole lot of showing without telling. It lets us make the connection ourselves without going, "now see, this is what you're supposed to think." I'll give two examples of this, but beware spoilers, but first to address those saying "Well HotD & ROP are two different sub genres of the Fantasy genre" I would like to point out that the OP wasn't about how one show is better at being that subgenre. It was that one show is better at hooking the audience in. You can still compare Marvel movies with the show The Wire if you are comparing two series that do a great job of having past events weave throughout a greater narrative that exists inside of a larger world that can be explored at any time. Can you compare them genre wise? No. Can you compare them with consistency and world building? Yes.
So the showing and not telling...
There's a sequence in HotD where Rhaenyra confronts her uncle with her dragon. It's the first time she's really done anything of serious note. Everyone told her to just sit in the corner. She instead did her plan. Flying her dragon to confront one of the most dangerous killers in the land. A Targaryen that is in open revolt against the king. She stiffly (looks to be scared out of her mind but she's making a good show of it) strolls up to him and diffuses a dangerous situation.
A scene or so later and look how she's walking. She's swaggering. She's realizing her power. There's no dialogue of her going "I'm a big girl now." It's all said in her walk. I saw her walk and thought, "damned...she really is a bad ass."
A second moment of show don't tell, or how we get hooked into character's & stories, the 3rd episode battle. Prince Daemon's plan to defeat the Crab Jerk.
We learn a few things about him from an episode where be barely talk and the only time people talk about him is to put him down.
This dude stops trying to talk & instead just acts. Notice that whenever he does talk he hurts his position. When he just acts he improves it. He singlehandedly (for a bit at least) faces the crab jerks army. If he does the plan fails. But he puts himself there first. So we know he's a good leader. He's willing to accept more danger than he puts his men in. But we also know he doesn't value every man. As he kills someone with his dragons foot early on. So he's cold. He's driven by pride. He only does this because he can't let it seem as if his brother rescues him. But again, when crab jerk runs into the tunnels Daemon follows to kill him. He doesn't order someone else to go. He doesn't ask people to follow to witness how great he is. He just acts. It pays off. We also learn that he doesn't fear gray scale. Damned...do I root for him or not?
All this little clues we get to put together. All these decisions. That hooks. Not dialogue telling us "You are full of bad stuff in your heart. This is what your character is. This is how the audience should think. But it's good that you are this because we tell you it's good."
It's like comparing children writing a story versus a historical lecturer writing a story.
And black elves don't exist.
Joe says “it’s visually spectacular” but also says “ just because it looks good doesn’t mean there isn’t problems”
Tolkien himself wrote this as “All that glitters isn’t gold”
But as Amazon want to inject the modern world into Tolkien we would probably say
“ITS A POLISHED TURD”
While I agree with what you're saying here, Tolkien actually wrote "All that is gold does not glitter." Its part of the prophecy of Aragorn and The Reforging of Narsil aka The Return of The King.
Full quote. "All that is gold does not glitter,
Not all those who wander are lost;
The old that is strong does not wither,
Deep roots are not reached by the frost.
From the ashes a fire shall be woken,
A light from the shadows shall spring;
Renewed shall be blade that was broken,
The crownless again shall be king."
Frodo say something similar, He says to the other Hobbits upon meeting Aragorn and discussing whether to trust him something like; "I think a servant of the enemy would look fairer and feel fouler." Aragorn overhears and says something like "So I look foul and feel fair, eh?" Tying back to the prophecy.
Shakespeare was who wrote that phrase not tolkien. Fanboys mat know a lot about a particular work, but th3y are atill ignorant people overall
What are you really wanting to say when you say "inject the modern world?"
Imagine to have a score just because visuals, but for the script could be a 1/10 with a budget of 1 billion.
I mean this stuff has been going on in the gaming community for over a decade now. Normies getting all wet by beautiful graphics for what they completely ignore the bad gameplay, poor story writing and all the bugs.
Good thing the writing in this so is amazing so far. The dialogue is like its taken straight from the books and letters.
@@mesicek7 Yeah that's why the most popular games with the "normies" are Minecraft, Fortnite, Roblox, Among Us, The Sims, Fall Guys, etc. Real graphical masterpieces lmao
@@mesicek7 yep MArvel started it with it's dumb ass eyecandy and people have adopted it
Visuals do count. They can make or break a show instantly.
I think the biggest sin this show commits is making the elves feel like fancy humans. The elves are not supposed to be grounded or relatable. They are serious and mysterious. I’m fine with Elrond being more “human” because he’s only a half elf (although the show never says that), but this show has completely ruined the mystique of the elves. Honestly the black actor who plays this new elf character (who’s name I can’t remember) actually does the best job of acting like an elf. But since he’s the only one who behaves like that, he sticks out as being strange in this show.
Also I agree that they have ruined Galadriel. How can you take the most powerful sorceress in middle earth and turn her into a foot soldier? Can you imagine if they did something like that with Gandalf? If they were going to make Galadriel more grounded, at least make her conviction more understandable. The writers are relying on the fact that we as the audience know she’s right about Sauron still being out there, which I think is lazy. They need to show why she’s so convinced she’s right. You know like maybe showing her having a vision since she’s supposed to be telepathic and precognitive.
Edit: they also ruined Gil Gilad. He’s supposed to be an S tier warrior king. Instead they decided to make him a frumpy politician. I wouldn’t believe him ever being in a real fight
Celebrimbor is especially bad. The actor has no grace or gravitas.
Side note: how could this show not hire any A-listers? LOTR had Ian McKellen, Christopher Lee, Cate Blanchett. You need some stars to carry weak writing!
@@psell8628 no decent A list actor wanted to have anything with this abomination of a show :)
I'm ok about it ...the show would suck if Galadriel is like an uber-powered mary sue. if the show shows her character build, that would be emotionally investing.
@@psell8628 Ian McKellen and Christopher Lee hated making the movies, why would they want to make the shows? Also, those are movie actors who are generally on a different caliber than show actors, which sounds weird... but it's true. They do have A-list actors, you just don't know them is the issue...
Wow - I have exactly the same feelings about how elves are portrayed. And I agree that Arondir is actually best at it as he seems a bit more distant, less human - which is actually a good thing.
I understand where Alex is with the show. After Wheel of Time, I'm very skeptical of this series, and it sounds like the problems are the same. These stories are good for a reason, the story. The writers don't need to rework stuff, just cut it up and make the story that's there work. I find that more impressive than just rewriting sections. Your viewing power here is with the book fanbase, and if you don't do credit to the underlying story, you lose them. I was going to and will give it a try, but the bar is still super low for me.
Apparently, they don't have the copyright stuff. This show feels like it appeals more to the fans of the films than the book anyway.
On books, huge Tolkein fan but gave up on WoT. However, after 2 episodes of this, I prefer the WoT TV series.
1 billion dollars for an average show. That's crazy. It proves that no matter how beautiful your photography looks like, you need good writing and good characters.
I really think it's below average to me it's a 4/10. The dialogue is pathetically bad by any standard let alone compared to the stuff Tolkien wrote.
Who would have thought
@@gamble777888 wah wah
I think it's like Avatar where everything is either generic or garbage but people ignore it cuz "WOW LOOK AT THE FLASHY LIGHTS!"
It is mainly the poor writing. The plot drives the characters, often with them making decisions completely out of character because the plot demands it.
It culminated in that one scene in the second episode where the lady harfoot pretty much declared that she believed her whole purpose was to be here for this moment and to perform this action. Yes all fictional characters have no real agency of their own, but good writers will allow you to believe that they have agency in the story.
I don't think the excuse of "slow burn" for the mediocrity is valid here. Slow burn is where you know that something is happening, and other things will be revealed to us eventually. I have watched a lot of films and shows to realise a slow-burn when I see one. This isn't one of those. It is just expensive, and boring and that's about it.
Fellowship of the Ring, especially the extended cut, is a genuine slow burn. However we stuck with Frodo, we got to know him, his friends. It was also very clear what the goal was and what the stakes were. Get the ring to the volcano, if Sauron gets the ring we are doomed.
After two hours or Rings of Power we went from "evil is coming" to "here are all these characters, they know evil is coming." It's like if Gandald leaving the Shire to research the ring was the entirety of the first LotR.
Slow burn requires there to be an actual fire in the first place. This is more of a slow rotting
From, Midnight Mass, The Outer Range are some good examples of recently well done "slow burns" IMO.. If you haven't seen any of the 3 I highly recommend checking them out while waiting for this show to actually get good 😱😴
@@jasonfenton8250 Completely agree. I consider Fellowship as my favorite out of the trilogy mostly because of the slow burn and world-building. and of course all of the extended editions can be considered slower burns to their theatrical counterparts but I live for that stuff. I feel like they tried to mimic the extended edition approach for this series without the capturing the essence of what it is supposed to accomplish.
@@justanothershirerat7584 you need to have good characters (possible not woke or at least make them interesting) and a really good plot to make a good slow burn. This is just boring after 35min in.
Galadriel was taught by the Valar (gods of middle earth for all intents and purposes) She is if anything the sorceress or magic user among the elves but they decided not to do anything like that. Magic in middle earth during the lord of the rings was kept to a minimum but during the 1st and second age it was far more commonplace. It's baffling to me they went this direction with Galadriel. IMO they would have been far better off making up some elf lady to be a warrior commander but of course they were never going to do something like that. Shame really
didnt Galadriel picked up a sword during the First Kingslaying though?
Magic never worked like that in Middle Earth. Middle Earth is not some D&D campaign setting with "wizards" and "sorcerers" throwing lightning bolts and such.
Magic was always somewhat understated, even during the Second Age, but you're right, there should be more. My guess is they did it to reign in the effects budget.
"making up some elf lady to be a warrior commander"
like how Galadriel was commander of the Northern armies ? they don't need to make it up this was who Galadriel was.
Was Gamdalf one of these "valar" also?
My favourite scene was when galadriel said "it's galadri-time." And she went ahead and galadried everyone, almost teared up
LMAO
When Galadriel said "Take my hand if you want to live" and shot the T-1000 in the face, I literally shivered.
That got me..
I love RUclips where you can see the same joke repurposed a thousand times. And then the jokes premise is deeply flawed cause noone in the Terminator franchise ever says "Take my hand if you want to live".
@@Psilocybin77 "MAC-10 7mm"
@@Psilocybin77 The misquote was intentional.
But explain more why we shouldn't like the meme, should work out well for you.
@@warlordbasil5873 because it's a sad, unfunny meme with no actual humor--it is just one reference connected to a random other reference with a non-sequitor.
The only reason you like it is because you see references you know, so you can clap like a seal and feel good because your brain understood a common pop culture reference.
It is on the same level as Reddit Puns, effortless humor performed by 12 year Olds that does nothing but spam comments with their crap. So just know every time you do it, how unoriginal and not funny you are :)
IMDb (owned by Amazon) has removed all reviews for this show below a score of 6/10. There where many reviews below a 6...
Yeah, I don't trust the (currently) 6.2 rating a bit after this backlash....I haven't seen the show and I won't so I can't tell if it's maybe actually okayish but given the backlash on the trailers this rating seems weird.
It’s interesting to notice that when Joe talks and shares OJ and Alex are completely silent and respectful and when OJ and Alex are sharing Joe is constantly interrupting, commenting and trying to finish their thoughts. I really wish he’d put his ego aside a bit and let his buddies just speak uninterrupted.
Excellent point especially if they make a point that disagree or exposes the point he made
It's hard to be a nerd these days when you've invested your whole life learning every detail, arc, and more about a franchise, be in Marvel/Tolkien/Star Wars, and to see it all being butchered by hacks who only care about money and brownie points on Twitter.
No wonder Bezo is silencing all criticism of this.
@@arcahmwinters70 Have you looked on IMDB? Almost all negative reviews are removed
All the positive reviews only talk about how 'all the money is on the screen', talking about the CGI and the special effects.
The only reviews that dig into the storytelling are the negative reviews.
Somehow you guys managed both. So congratulations.
I feel like I'm the only one who liked the story and acting
@@singmysin it's literally the 1st & 2nd episode which are mainly setting up the world & characters. I really don't see why people are disliking it.
There are plenty of reviews digging into the storytelling that are positive. I can imagine casuals liking this, and generally people who know nothing about Tolkien. It's reviews digging into the actual lore that are negative.
Personally as a Tolkien fan I didn't hate it. A lot of the changes are just dumb and nonsensical, like Galadriel going to Valinor (which can't happen because she's banned) and then swimming back (across the entire sundering sea!!). But overall it was... okay? It's not just positive and negative reviews, most of them are 10/10 or 1/10 and it isn't either of those things unless you're a Tolkien purist.
this is why Disney is still in business, you can show pretty colors and forget about the story. Most people are just retarded that way
That’s not true at all. The thing is that there isn’t really much of a plot yet. The first two episodes have been an introduction of sorts. The CGI is also an important aspect of a show like Rings of Power. Middle Earth is a beautiful, almost picturesque, type place, and has been rendered quite well.
I love the part when Galadriel says "Allow me to break the ice. My name is Freeze. Learn it well, for it's the chilling sound of your doom."
Dude.. lmfao😂😂😂
"Ice to meet you."
Lmao I thought this was another "It's Morbin Time" joke
When Alex mentioned that there are gaps they could fill in stead of changing what’s already there, I think that’s because writing on your own is harder than going off of something that was already done. See the last few seasons of GoT. Seems like there aren’t many good original screen writers out there anymore
There are plenty of great screenwriters. They're just flipping burgers.
Exactly. The difference between GOT season 1-4 and seasons 5-8 is night and day.
the problem is he does not know what the fuck he is talking about. "there are Harfoots around and Galadriel is good with a sword".
Harfoots were one of the three breeds of hobbits, along with Stoors and Fallohides and were very much around in the second age. Galadriel was commander of the Northern Army and extremely skilled with a blade. Tolkien called her a warrior Amazon type.
It is disturbing watching people talk about things they have no clue about. There are additions in Rings of Power created for the show but much of the story and lore remains faithful to what Tolkien created.
@@Orgotheonemancult Hollywood doesn't want them, they'd rather have checkbox hires and activists write their shows, so the creative ones have nothing else but burgers.
@@logirex the problem is that these "fans" don't know sh*t about the lore besides something they read on fandom wiki, not knowing that that lore is all pretty much fan-fiction. Tolkien barely wrote anything substantial regarding the Second Age besides Numenor (it was his only real interest regarding that period), and even that was very uncomplete. His son is the one that picked up all his notes and rewrote them into some form of consistent storytelling (there was another writer that helped him but I can't remember the name), and still there are many plot holes or inconsistent storytelling, with some characters dead and then alive again, or confusing names or who did this or that deed.
Sadly the people that should be praising this show for bringing to life something that is unique and rarely done right, are the ones that are more prepared to bring it down because "oh that dwarf girl should have a beard!", not knowing that Tolkien never wrote that women dwarves also had beards (he never even talked about dwarven women!, that was something done in the movies, and it was stolen from Terry Pratchet's Discworld franchise!
When Galadriel said "it's morben time." I clapped and cried.
Jesus that memes been dead for ages
@@pdpMASTERP “it has been remade!”
@@misterious5217 lol hell yeah
I liked it when Galadriel told Dumbledore about Voldemort and then straight went into the upsidedown to help John Wick take over the Continental.
It was strange that the Megazord she used had a different colour though.
I am a huge Wheel of Time book fan, and Alex's thoughts about the LOTR show basically mirror how I feel about the Wheel of Time show. so many changes without a justification playing out, at least so far. not a huge LOTR guy and I though the show was "fine." I am definitely jealous of the budget they have for this show vs Wheel of Time
more budget would not have helped wheel of time. they already had a really high budget, the show was ruined as soon as rafe good his disgusting paws on the ip
You are right, and what irritated me was WoT reddit page saying that the show is good in light of the entire series of books. I was critical when the show came out and i was 3 books in, read the WoT reddit opinions and thought.."ok maybe I dont know what im talking about". Flash forward to when I finished the book series, and now I am more convinced that the show is terrible and butchered the lore.
@@juandrefourie8572 I got multiple temporary bans from r/wot and a permanent ban from r/wheeloftime just for giving my honest review (which they called gaslighting and toxic). I was scathing, but I was certainly not toxic. Its irritating to no end, especially since its my favorite series.
@@howlingbeast3x6 kind of disagree, even though rings of power was nothing special character or story wise so far, it absolutely looks gorgeous in every frame. That definitely helps in a visual medium.
I still want the wheel of time show to succeed, it’s the only adaptation I’m gonna see in my lifetime. But if people watch rings of power and decide they want more fantasy , wheel of time looks downright cheap in comparison. Which is too bad, it’s the better source material imo
@@taliefer16 I'm the complete opposite. I prefer having no adaptation than the trash we got. It will taint the name of wheel of time and it will lower the chances of having a good adaptation.
As for why I said it would not change much, the wheel of time already had a big budget of 80 million dollars, which was wasted. They put a bunch of money in buying the newest high-tech camera so we can better see how cheap the costumes look. The amount of money they had was not the issue, its the fact that they wasted it. Thats what I meant, having a bigger budget would not help the show that much since they don't spend it well
I compare the troll battles of movie 1 and this ep1. Many powerful heros (gandalf, legolas, aragon, gimly and boromir) it took them all to slay the troll in brutal battle that felt almost impossible to win, then we have younger elf take it down almost all by herself (sure some could say smaller troll) but this just doesn't build a character.
EXACTLY MY POINT. Like you telling me it took the ENTIRE FELLOWSHIP INCLUDING LEGOLAS to take out a cave troll but she just takes out ice troll WITHOUT LOOKING AT IT? ugh
@@TheRibottoStudios I read through your comment and that was well worded and I'm completely with you. I don't really comment on heroines, but Galadriel vs Eowyn. Eowyn doesn't have any powers and she's badass.
It shows that she’s an absolute badass and precise as hell. the troll was wayyyy smaller and had no weapons nor a platoon of orcs with it.
"then we have younger elf take it down almost all by herself".... im pretty sure galadriel is older than the entire fellowship combined lol
@@cwolfc Galadriel is also the second or third most powerful being in middle earth behind Sauron and not named Tom Bombadil. I don’t think a troll has any chance either haha
First two episodes proved that no matter how much money you throw at something, if you don't respect the material you end up with mediocre at best. I'd rather be watching HotD, and that sucks because I grew up on Tolkien.
Also..just a note for any writers out there, no matter the scale of your story, best to start with one event so you can bring the audience in on your characters. This show started with whiplash, zipping from place to place and it's never slowed down. Means you care even less for the characters
Joe: "I like the writing so far"
Alex: *face implodes*
I have to commend Alex patience here as a LOTR fan... Nightmare sitting around friends and hearing such takes. I totally understand them, don't get me wrong. But it does hurt my heart.
Joe doesn't even buy his own take. He went with pacing and then went to plot and story before correcting himself with pacing again.
My friends love this show and call me a hater for disliking it. If I bother to explain what I don’t like, they say I’m nitpicking. I’m just not gonna watch the show anymore so I don’t give off opinions they don’t like.
@@FreddieMercurytheSharkWrestler I could imagine the same scenario. Me and my fiancee just celebrating by watching the real LOTR on relaseday haha. Refuse to give traffic to this show.
@@FreddieMercurytheSharkWrestler I haven't been asked yet what I think of then show by my friends since it came out. But I did keep most of the informed of the terrible decisions that have been going on and most of them seem agree. Although there are some people at work who have been talking about it in a positive manner so Idk what Ill say when asked because I'm known as the tolkien nerd in the office
You should let Alex take the lead on the Rings of Power reviews….
You think Joe is humble enough to give him the spotlight. Nah the man loves the sound of his own voice.
it’s the angry joe show
@@huey6248 Seems Joe has lost the plot these days. That twitter brainwashing is really showing.
@@huey6248 Sadly
@@sauldownbadman876 preach
I feel like in this day and age filmmakers forgot to tell stories, they are all about visuals! They have bo real writers, they just add someone who is the cousin of someone an needs a job.
"Don't ask questions, just consume product and then get excited for next project!".
Disney has taken this approach with a million Star Wars/Marvel spinoff shows that are mostly "meh". I wouldn't be shocked if Amazon tries a similar approach and leave the possibility for a few LOTR spinoffs :/
just like AAA games. amazing graphiucs, boring gameplay, cringe dialogues
I feel like you forget bad movies and shows have always existed
I want to hear more of Alex breaking down the changes that were made and really digging into this show. Let’s see the depth of knowledge that he has. I think Joe needs to take a bit more of backseat in this particular show for reviews and let Alex go on some 30 minute long rants and school is on the books and lore.
yeah alex who had the most to criticize about this show, being the so called "expert" of the group, should of had the most to say, but he actually said the least out of the 3. i feel like he's holding back a lot, which makes the review as a whole feel a bit disingenuous despite their ratings.
Yeah I value Joe's and Alex's perspective because I'm between then when it comes to the knowledge of the lore. I know most of my lore bc RUclips videos so I don't know too much details
I love that Alex gets credit now. I remember when he first appeared on videos and people were dogging him bad. He’s bringing that LotR knowledge!
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Yeah I wasn't a fan initially either, I thought he was too brusque. Turns out I just wasn't on his level yet. Now I often want to skip past Joe and OJ's opinions and get right to Alex's as his take is most likely to be in line with mine. Plus no wishy-washy middle-ground nonsense. Kinda wish he did his own thing at times but I like him here as a no-nonsense foil to the Joes.
I do feel like back then, he had a knack for "knocking popular things". Some films were well received like Joker, and he really went out of his way to find issues.
Now though, I would say he's improved at finding serious criticisms. He can better explain WHY his criticisms are important.
The lord of the rings trilogy, not counting the extended editions = around 8 hours of film time. The rings of power = 8 hours of film time. I don't know about anyone else but 2 hours into the fellowship of the rings I was seriously sucked in and engrossed. 2 hours into the rings of power I am bored and totally uninterested. Hmmm I wonder which one is better.
Maybe they should have spent some of that billion hiring some good writers maybe?
Rings of Power is 50 hours of screen time. There are five or six seasons, so yes, there will be more of a build up compared to an edited two hour movie.
@@rafterman5072 Actually at the moment it's 1 season. Now assuming the show does well enough sure they might probably continue on upward of 5 seasons. They can say they plan on doing 1000 seasons, doesn't mean they're going to do them. I do seriously wonder, if they spent 1 billion on this first season and it continues to be as boring as it's first 2 hours is do you honestly think that Amazon will put down another billion each for seasons 2-5?
It’s way better then House of Boredom Targaryen 🤣🤷🏻♂️
@@baf9369 In your opinion I suppose, personally it's drawn me in enough to convince me to continue watching despite how horrible the final season screwed it up. General talk about it is a positive buzz and it's pulling in good scores and good viewing numbers (assuming HBOMax isn't fudging those) what I've heard on general for this show so far from friends and family who have watched it is mostly in line with my own opinion either boredom or outright disdain.
@@matthewwilliams3579 To me the only people hating this show aren’t exactly Tolkien fans. Most of the actual fans of the Silmarillion like what they have done especially visually but it’s got huge promise.
We’ve waited years and years for this so of course want it to do well. Episode 2 was very enjoyable so I don’t mind the slow build.
Best part for me is the interaction between Elrond and Durin.
I didn’t feel like it was a ‘slow burn’ story, only ‘slow’.
There is no burn, I found it hard to enjoy anything except the visuals.
When all you can say to praise a series is “well, it _looks_ fantastic!”, I’m afraid what you have on your hands is a stinker.
a very expensive stinker
They just ramble on and on and on the entire first episode outside of one fight scene with the troll. It was hard to stay awake watching it.
About the Harfoot elder's book: The context I picked up on is that it's their way to keep like a calendar of sorts. "This time of year, hunters pass through this area." "When the stars are in this position, it's time to migrate." Stuff like that. Basically notes on how their environment is supposed to naturally be. A change in the natural environment could signal potential danger.
I thought they were the ancestors of hobbits
@@OverlordZephyros same
Also funny thing about that book, when knock of Frodo pops up the elder jumps and slams the book shut. Then the book stays open. He then shuts it loudly again. Clearly it's a magic book.
@@OverlordZephyros That's what amazon's description of the harfoots say at least.
Still pretty awful overall.
@@OverlordZephyros Same species called Hobbit, different race of three races Harfoot, Stoors and Fallohides. Liked them.
You can tell the stranger is evil. When they go into Saurons palace in the beginning, Galadriel says the fire gives off no heat because of the evil. When the little girl touches the fire around the stranger it doesn't burn her
The Fire gives off no heat because the evil made the location to cold. Evil fire still gives off heat.
He’s Gandalf not Gandalf.
He actually says something about kindness/uncorruptness and heat/light on elvish.
@@cjmk5923 The one ring doesn't get hot to the touch when placed in fire, so this is some made up thing for the show to explain that and have it be some very obvious plot device for later. The fact that they made a note of it, you can be sure that the two are connected. So maybe the man is so evil that he made the location of the meteorite crash cold. The logistics of it doesn't really matter. He didn't say anything about the fire being evil
Maybe, but i bet it is one of the Blue Wizards or Tom Bombadill/Eru
I loved the part where Galadriel jumps in the middle of the orc horde and says "Catch you fuckers at a bad time?" And then kills all of them with one stroke.
So beautiful so brave I cried myself to sleep in the fetal position and dreamed about this masterpiece...
please no f word
I rly want more and more Alex show.
Me too, but I'm afraid Joe won't allow this
@@fabioa.8008 Joes way too arrogant for that
The trilogy remains untouched!!!! Mostly a 9 out 10 for the trilogy.
Even with all the changes to the lore? Not saying this applies to you but seeing a lot of Trilogy great, Show bad, show deviates from the lore and I'm like ummm, trilogy deviated from the lore in a lot of ways, some of them big but everyone ok with it.
Not saying people have to like the show of course, just disheartening to see a lot of my fellow fans apply a blatant double standard to the show. Curious as to anyones thoughts on the matter.
Thing is the movies, whilst great, also changed a lot of very important parts of the book that really mattered. Arewen is probably the biggest change and it really matters that Frodo stood up to the ringwraiths on his own in the books. It demonstrates his resilience. But that is removed just because we needed a strong female character. The biggest difference is that when the movies came out we didn't have all of this social media pantomime to critique and destroy what is actually a very well made series so far.
@@Keplaves you sir have hit the nail on the head. These days we just see woke everywhere no matter if it's there or not. Trust me, I was looking for it, expecting it, did not catch a single whiff of it. But then I see all these reviews and comments bashing it and providing just very broad critiques.
They made it woke
OK please provide an example and explain what that made the show woke
Deplorable if you can't see it you obviously just don't understand the lore well enough and you can't be helped.
Honestly the hate no matter what portion of the fanbase is really pathetic and sad and gives all of us with genuine critisms to offer a bad name and gives studios and the media an excuse to tune us all out and mock us.
Like being a republican but getting grouped together with Alex Jones and the QAnon lunatics
@@Imperatorius45 I personally havent read the books so as a casual I enjoyed the movies much much more then these first 2 so far.
@@stannisbaratheon6725 they are doing a very slow burn and taking their time. For me being familiar with the lore and the additional works of Tolkien I'm loving it because I just got to soak it all in and take my time in middle earth rather than run through at full sprint. It helps though that I have a solid idea as to what is going on.
As a casual I can understand it being a bit slow and dragging. The whole ocean bit dragged on too long for me. My thoughts, gonna expecting a slow deliberate pace and probably a good idea if it's dragging to long even then to wait until they are all out and make a weekend out of it. Enjoy an 8 hour trip to middle earth 😁
I like the part where Galadriel looks right into the mirror and proclaims "I'm gonna be a f@%king superstar" and then mounts Halbrand for that awesome sex scene
I want a link. Please, I can’t go on for much longer without a link
So for 50 million per episode, I expect the backgrounds to look good. I work in the film industry myself as a matte painter and it is no longer a problem to create very good backgrounds in the PC. In contrast, the armour of the High Elves looked so cheap. Pure knight's armour from the Middle Ages, no special shape or ornamentation indicating elven art. Then the clothes of the dwarves were a joke. Just the way they walked in their armour, I thought they put children in it. From their faces and appearance, the elves were probably just people with pointed ears. They had nothing graceful and sublime about them, beings who are thousands of years old and immortal. What imbecile came up with short hair? But the whole show has nothing to do with Tolkien. There is only the name and the places but nothing else. Everything we criticised from the beginning has come true. This is a 50 million joke.
You can compare it to stranger things which only cost 30mio per episode last season and some of these episodes where visual stunning as hell.
Ok dude now show me your work
Did you know NASA receives more than 50 million every single day to fake their nonsense and people believe it's a legit organization doing real space work?
Yeah, i imagine you must be laughing at me, I don't care, I just want you to think about it. How much did the movie Gravity cost? 150? 200 maybe? Just think about it.
@@francescofioroni70 that's a logical fallacy. One does not have to be a chef to say they don't like the food
they also use prints on the clothes instead of stitching which makes it look cheap and flat
Joe's thoughts at 8:08 is so true. Streaming platforms have this problem. They don't know if they're making a really long movie or a TV show. A show and their episodes is ideally a beginning and an end with a mini plot that resolves and also forwards the main plot.
Except Amazon literally knows what they are doing.. They pre signed 5 seasons 8 episodes seasons... They want the LONG movie Slow burn. lmfao Accept it..
@@arcahmwinters70 your argument was Streaming platforms have this problem. They don't know if they're making a really long movie or a TV show... im telling you, you are wrong...
@@BabyGollum lol ok, way to win the semantics. You're right, they do know what they want. It's just that it's not ideal is my main point.
@@midgetwars1 Your MAIN point was that they have no idea. I told you they are and now its changed it "its not ideal"
you wanted vision they have it, Accept it.
@@arcahmwinters70 they are not trying to emulate tolkien at all. they just stole the name for publicity cause if they did an original ip(which this really is) few people would watch it.
How these lads can tear the show apart and still give it an above average rating is beyond me.
Visuals and nostalgia give it a 2 point bonus. For now.
@@WiseOwl_1408 no one would be watching or talking about it without the brand name, however I admit the visuals are impressive whenever they do a geographical establishing shot every 15 minutes like peter jackson would have done
What if I told you AJ likes she hulk ikr 🤪
I don't understand how people rated it below average to be honest.
@@carlosschlyter listening to their criticisms in this review is a good start. Then search "rings of power review". You'll find plenty of below average reviews.
I think the best part was when Galadriel dangled Sauron off the cliff by the foot and told him that she lied when she said she'd kill him last.
And Sauron replied "I'll be back !"
Thing about this series is, at least for me it's very hard to get engaged when the aesthetics aren't there. It might be visually stunning in terms of cinematography, but the first time an elf appears(galadriel's brother), he just looks like a dude. Just looks like my neighbour, short hair and all... And these little things add up, it doesn't feel as magical as it should, it doesn't feel like a different world of fantasy, these character all feel like just dudes. Plus, why the soldier galadriel? It's so generic, she should be way more magical, and should have that stoic presence, yet graceful... Oh well
I think it's because none of these are a mystery to you anymore? Nothing is magical because you've seen dwarves, elves, hobbits, dragons all before? I mean, the entrance is fine and all, the look is still there, I don't get what you mean? I honestly don't like the show and have my own qualms, but reading this made me feel like you just... Grew up and want it to be like when you first watched LOTR and probably knew next to nothing about the lore, or if you knew... You never saw it happen on screen like that, because it hadn't been done like that. This is just the same as everything else and I feel like we're just oversaturated with content where only the drastically different can grab our view, and then we oversaturate it with so much shit that it loses it's luster. Like, Marvel was amazing... now it's not... because we've figured out the pattern and know the Marvel formula, we're tired of it even if they are better movies and shows compared to the earlier movies/shows.
Also, long hair was never explicitly stated to be an Elven trait, that was adopted by the movies iirc. Correct me if I'm wrong. It was more or less because the hair of elves were described generally when talking about female Elves so long hair was described the most and it became synonymous with Elves after the movies. I would prefer if they made Elves have long hair like the movies, but... saying that is how it was intended has no proof, and actually has some contradicting information.
The only other bit of information I could find on this topic was a quote from The Shibboleth of Feanor: “All the Eldar had beautiful hair (and were especially attracted by hair of exceptional loveliness), but the Noldor were not specially remarkable in this respect, and there is no reference to Finwe as having had hair of exceptional length, abundance, or beauty beyond the measure of his people.”
Second age Elves were cool but you have to remember that Numenor literally saved the elves MULTIPLE times and literally saved Middle Earth multiple times alone. If you want to think about it, had the Elves not been so stuck up, they would assume (some still do) that Men are magical and mysterious due to them not being bound to Arda like they are, and can forge their own destinies while not being tied to The Great Song. What the hell is magical about the Elves? They... don't age, that's it? I mean, magic wasn't just for the Elves, although I agree they are more "magical" than humans. I think you forget that humans were a beast if you refer to Numenoreans and the second age. Elves were just beautiful immortal fate-driven humans, that's all. Long hair does not equal beauty, but it might have meant that... to Tolkien, I guess?
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@@LyonManes Well, thanks for taking the time to write all that. Now, I disagree with alot of what you said and I think you are reading way too much into what I've said :D plus I know my lore Cause I've read it(forgot a lot cuz it's been a while...). I think things are good when they are good. Marvel was good because it simply was good, now it sucks because it simply sucks, with the exception of a movie here and there, but it's rare... And elves were depicted many, and I mean MANY times with long hair in the books, but I never read in a single book Tolkien describing an elf as just normal looking with short hair. The descriptions are always focused on their beauty, their perfect longs hair etc. Galadriel's brother is a good actor choice, but with the long hair he would fit way better. It's actually way more simple than you make it, These concepts of dwarves elves etc are old to me obviously but I still love them, I still think these simple high fantasy concepts are absolutely timeless.
Now, I found this at a reddit post so I just copied it, plenty of long hair descriptions, including males:
But most it was their wont to sail in their swift ships upon the waters of the Bay of Elvenhome, or to walk in the waves upon the shore with their long hair gleaming like foam in the light beyond the hill.” (Morgoth's Ring, description of the Teleri)
“Ingwë had curling golden hair. Finwë (and Míriel) had long dark hair, so had Fëanor and all the Noldor, save by intermarriage which did not often take place between clans, except among the chieftains, and then only after settlement in Aman. Elwë and Olwë had very pale hair, almost white. Melian was dark-haired, and so was Lúthien.” (The Nature of Middle-Earth)
"All the Eldar had beautiful hair (and were especially attracted by hair of exceptional loveliness), but the Noldor were not specially remarkable in this respect, and there is no reference to Finwë as having had hair of exceptional length, abundance, or beauty beyond the measure of his people" (Morgoth's Ring)
“The hair of the Lady was of deep gold, and the hair of the Lord Celeborn was of silver long and bright” (the Fellowship of the Ring)
“He wore his long dark hair in great plaits braided with gold.” (Fingon, the People's of Middle-Earth)
“The hair of Olwë was long and white, and his eyes were blue.” (The War of the Jewels)
“His golden hair flowed shimmering in the wind of his speed.” (Glorfindel, the Fellowship of the Ring)
“To Legolas [Galadriel] gave a bow such as the Galadhrim used, longer and stouter than the bows of Mirkwood, and strung with a string of elf-hair.” (the Fellowship of the Ring)
“In western lands beneath the Sun the flowers may rise in Spring, the trees may bud, the waters run, the merry finches sing. Or there maybe ’tis cloudless night and swaying beeches bear the Elven-stars as jewels white amid their branching hair.” (The Return of the King p.908)
"...golden was his long hair...." (Celegorm, The Lost Road and Other Writings)
"Saeros, ' he said, 'there is a long race before you, and clothes will be a hindrance; hair must suffice." (The Children of Hurin)
@@joaoelvas8951 - Aragorn: ‘He threw back his hood, showing a shaggy head of dark hair flecked with grey’; ‘His hood was cast back, and his dark hair was blowing in the wind’ (FOTR)
- The Witch-king of Angmar: ‘His hair was long and gleaming’ (FOTR); in an earlier draft of the scene, Tolkien wrote that all the Ringwraiths had long hair: ‘Upon their long grey hair were crowns and helms of pale gold’
- Boromir: ‘They combed his long dark hair and arrayed it upon his shoulders’ (TTT)
- The Rohirrim: ‘Their hair, flaxen-pale, flowed under their light helms, and streamed in long braids behind them’; ‘Where is the helm and the hauberk, and the bright hair flowing?’; ‘Their golden hair was braided on their shoulders’ (TTT)
- Eorl the Young: ‘His yellow hair was flying in the wind’ (TTT)
- Théoden: ‘His white hair was long and thick and fell in great braids’ (TTT); ‘The hair that flowed beneath his high helm was like snow’ (ROTK)
- Men from the South: ‘They have black eyes, and long black hair’; ‘His black plaits of hair braided with gold were drenched with blood’ (TTT)
- Faramir and Éowyn: ‘And so they stood on the walls of the City of Gondor, and a great wind rose and blew, and their hair, raven and golden, streamed out mingling in the air’ (ROTK); this would only be possible if Faramir also had long hair
- Túrin: ‘For his garb was of the wild woods and his hair was long’ (The Book of Lost Tales)
Therefore... All human are long-haired based on your logic? Since this is also the standard for humans, no?
@@LyonManes it is the standard for humans, but the aeshtetics still differ. Long haired thranduil very different than long haired aragorn no?
When you realize Jackson made a 90 million dollar film that had A-list stars, had excellent writing, performances and visual effects that still hold up today...
It makes you wonder what the hell Amazon spent a billion dollars on?
I wont touch this show with a ten foot pole.
You have to take in account they filmed all three movies back to back to back to save money. Also the cost of inflation. I got to see it for free at my local theater Wednesday and it looked worse on the big screen.
No one cares dude
@@dillonbija9592 clearly you do
@@dillonbija9592 sure
@@dillonbija9592 butthurt to make a comment?
I choked out of excitement when Galadriël picked up Mjölnir and exclaimed: "Are you not entertained!?" Before flying into outer space with a vengeance. Truly inspiring.
"Galadriel what is best in life?" "Crush the patriarchy, see them driven before strong wammin and hear the lamentations of the finance department !"
Plastic armor... the sad thing is they probably paid enough to get real armor for it 😪
All 3 LOTR movies cost $281 million and they used real armour
I loved when Sauron revealed that he was Galadriel's Angel of Music the whole time and then took her through the mirror.
Solid reference, Eric deserved better
My biggest issue with the premiere episodes, is that stuff started happening immediately, and creating so many story "branches" that it felt somewhat overwhelming.
The first episode felt like we were dropped straight into the middle of a movie and I felt myself quite confused about what was going on.
I would have liked to have spent some time with each group without conflict first. Introduce us to the characters more first, and focus more on 1 story line at a time.
I thought it was fine
I thought it was fine and had no issue understanding what was happening.
If they didn't then people would've complained that its boring with so much hate being thrown it's a no win situation
@@singmysin The funny thing is, that is one of the complaints of the show. That it’s boring and nonsensical.
It was fine to me but it was boring to me lol, it had its moments though 🤷🏽♂️
I like Alex’s reaction when joe skipped over him about the question of diversity in the show. He looked ready to speak his mind lol
"Diversity" is code for white erasure.
I deliberately avoided all the noise before the release of the show, stayed clear from RUclips unless I was looking for specific unrelated content, no articles, etc. Fell asleep twice.
The first episode was pretty boring I agree. Gobblygook fantasy writing. Joe said the script was “good”. Makes me appreciate Peter Jackson even more.
I'm surprised Alex didn't address the obvious nonsense with the Valinor "portal". At this point you could easily sail to the undying lands, it's not a separate dimension or anything, in fact this is exactly what the Numenorians do several hundred years after the time this show is based.
Maybe you should just stick to the books if you want it this lore accurate.
@@RundOnline 🙄
The numenorians never get to valinor it's their attempt that sinks the entire island after being tricked by sauron
@@RundOnline how about they make their own shity fantasy story and leave Tolkin legacy in competent hands not incompetent amatures ????
@@RavenL1337 Y? What law gave the "real tolkin" fanboys exclusive rights to it? I have something and other children can't play with it. It's mine! Boehoehoe... That's how you sound. You can't even imagen other people don't give a shit about the simarilion can't you?
5/10 is about my rating as well so long as I divorce my Tolkien knowledge from it. The writing is a little dull and the plot has very little direction right now outside of Elrond’s path to helping Celebrimbor forge the rings. The set pieces are nice: Khazad dum was beautiful. But I need a lot more from it to become required LOTR watching in the future. I won’t rate it based on the show I wanted: First Age wars. I’ll just rate it on what was given. Would be better if they used all original characters instead of changing established ones.
It looks decent but i have 2 main problems. 1. Galadriel has been butchered, as Alex said, by this point in middle earth, galardrial is an incredibly powerful sorceress. 2. Everyone looks too ‘clean’, like everyone looks like a supermodel, which i can understand for elves, but not for most of the other races in middle earth
What? you are supermodelphobic! No place for that in the Bezoverse
: D
From what I have seen, you are right, it looks way too polished.
it has one major problem;
that it suks absolute
@$$,
pacing issue it moves slower than a snail and still somehow fails to build atmosphere despite ep1 having a bloated runtime of 1hour
empty shallow pretentious dialogue, inefficient script, lack of interesting banter between characters.
it looks expensive af, yet the cinematography kinda fails at its job.
these are just fundamental flaws of trashy show. and holy sh^z they somehow made it incredibly boring, it is unbelievable
I wouldn't say any of the Harfoots or Dwarves look like supermodels at all
If Lenny Henry looks like a supermodel, you need to clean your TV screen
@@Ginormousbeans they still look "clean", the old lord of the rings everybody looked tired and dirty, which made the movies and adventures feel more gritty.
It feels exactly how I though it would. A billion dollar show with no heart or soul. Just shameless Tolkien rip-off.
I disagree, I think it had the heart and soul, and then some.
@@JamieSwitzer I don't know it pretty heartless to shit on a legacy
I hate when people use purposefully vague descriptors like "the acting just isn't there" or "the series has no soul" as if it actually fucking means anything. Its just easy shit to say that cant be easily disproved because its so subjective its impossible to have a meaningful conversation about it. How exactly do you quantify soul? The Harfoots have no heart? Elrond's excursion into the Dwarven mines, reconnecting with his old friend is soulless? Fuck off with that shit.
@@acidrain92 Making the kinslaying a stupid plot point because now we can just swim across hey?
Get outta here clown
@@acidrain92 Shitting on Tolkien's legacy sounds pretty soulless and heartless to me.
"We made a promise to ourselves at the beginning of the process that we were going to put all of our own politics, our own messages and our own themes into these five seasons. ... In a way, we were trying to make these films for us, not for the fans or Tolkien himself."
What’s political about the show?
Feminazi political correctness masterclass shrouded in a mist of bad fan fiction
@@tennypai I genuinely can’t understand how black people and women existing in a show is political
@@theotter6279 the dwarf queen is the sister to Thorin and mother to Fili and Kili, as well as being a mountain dwarf, yet somehow a different race than them. Also she's supposed to have a beard but of course they didn't do that because that would be racist. The actress even straight up said this isn't about respecting Tolkien's world but instead to be more diverse.
Galadriel by this time was one of the oldest and most respected elves as well as most powerful, but now is a foot soldier who's not taken seriously by her youngers?
@@theotter6279 Have you been living under a rock these past 10 years?
The biggest moment for me of, "Oh, this may suck" was when Elrond walks up to Galadriel in the cemetery/forest. Elrond walks up and you hear his footsteps.
Now, remember in Peter Jackson's Fellowship? Everyone is stuck in the snow and Legolas just walks by on top of the snow with barely a footprint? Neat little world building moment.
Back to Elrond. Stomping through an elf forest. There was a decision to pay a Foley artist to make Elrond make sounds. To put an Elf Lord's Footstep Sounds in an Elf Kingdom forest!
Not a book reader but isn’t Legolas a very skilled/old elf by the time the film happens and Elrond seems like a kid in the show
You can hear the elves foot steps? LITERALLY UNWATCHABLE TRASH, THEY MIGHT AS WELL SHIT ON TOLKIEN'S GRAVE
@@Aamonnater -_-
@@Aamonnater iirc from the books, elves are supposed to be quiet/nimble (hence, that point by ShawsOwn). As for Elrond's age, he may be young but I think he isn't that young (prolly more than a thousand years old at this point in time...I could be wrong tho)
That is more of a nitpick than a criticism.
I’m genuinely curious if there’s a single fantasy/sci-fi universe Joe knows well enough to explain the lore and characters for at least 0.3 seconds before he sounds like the comment sections of the rings of power trailers.
He should have let alex do this episode. I get its Joe's show, but letting alex have the spotlight for a couple of review videos doesn't take from his show. Alex knows his lore, more up his alley
He is all about Superman bruh. Even then, I am not sure his Superman knowledge is on super nerd level.
@@leightonrud66 I disagree, we need someone who's a semi- casual to control the review. The show was made for both fans and book readers, so you cannot just have a book reader review it.
I sat down with two friends, one whos a hardcore fan, and one who cannot remember the movies. We all loved the episodes.
He knows 40k pretty well.
I cant get over the elves just looking like some suburban dads. Then celebrimbor walks in and I laughed. This was the best they could do?
Alex:"It can't be Gandalf. He comes later"
What gives you the impression these writers care? Gandalf is one of the most loved characters in LotR. If they have the rights, and I think they should, they will bring Gandalf into the show!
They would probably also get Spock or his sister if they could!
These writers are Hacks! Give them enough money and they destroy every IP!
Do you have a link to where you complained endlessly about Gandalf being in Lego Dimensions?
Evil cannot create anything new, they can only corrupt and ruin what good forces have invented or made.
I love the part where Galadriel enters the StarBucks store and asks "Can I speak to the manager?"
"They're doing an 8 hour movie" That's probably what it is, this does not work in an episodic format and releasing it like this just proves your incompetence, no matter how much money you throw at it. Really makes me wanna rewatch the original trilogy since it's been so long since I watched it.
I found it fairly paced imho. Remember 24h, Lost Island and other series from 90s\2000s? They went on and on and on about same little plot crumb for episodes. Every ending of episode promising something good for next one but it ended the same way.
To put LOTR TV in this perspective I found it fair enough. Good atmosphere, details, loved the support of sound track. Felt like taking a part of a journey which is just kicking off.
Didn´t feel boring also as 1h passed away on 2nd ep and I felt like the show just started.
PS Don´t know anything about the lore, so it´s easier to watch for me.
EDIT: Also nowadays the series come out as a full season at once- anybody wants to know full story could binge watch it as a 1 8h movie;)
If you take the first 2 episodes from any popular series, i.e, Game of Thrones, Stranger Things, Breaking bad
You will not be very far into the story, it's only 2 episodes..
You sound like a bitter loser 😙
@@jackag24 Man, two episodes into Breaking Bad a LOT has happened
@@criert135 It's not fair to hold anything up to Breaking Bad, to be honest. It was, in many ways, a "Perfect Product." Not to say it had no flaws, but it never really stumbled and fell flat and the fans had to say "We'll overlook this because of how good the rest of it is."
I love Alex’s enthusiasm for LOTR lore.
He is beyond stupid - he knows NOTHING of Tolkien
AT ALL
He's a beyond a fool
He dropped the ball calling the Harfoots a made up race, though. They're a pretty detailed sub-race of Hobbits in the Tolkien lore.
@@roberthesser6402 Alex doesn't know as much as he thinks he does. The people who cradle his balls know even less.
@@roberthesser6402 To be fair THESE Harfoots are basically "in-between" Hobbits - proto-Hobbits kinda silly
Its fine some people don't like the show but him acting like a super-expert ... a bit odd
@@darkthorpocomicknight7891 According to Return of the king Apendixes, the hobbits only appeard in the third age, if my memory its correct
I love how it’s the Angry Joe show, but almost everyone in the comments are just here for Alex.
before it was for other joe, but his peanutbrain cant handle more then starring is antonio starch, once a bright future, w/e