Can you culturally appropriate food? (Debate)
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- Опубликовано: 19 авг 2018
- A Labour MP has hit out at the television chef Jamie Oliver after finding a packet of jerk rice sold under his brand, which doesn't contain all its essential ingredients. Dawn Butler, whose parents are from Jamaica, said this 'appropriation' needs to stop. Jamaica-born chef and entrepreneur, Levi Roots, and the chef and restaurateur, Bea Vo, respond.
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How did this even make television?
P.C...
Because it was a statement made not only by a member of the Houses of Parliament, but by the Labour Party's Shadow Minister for Women and Equality.
things have changed since the IRA bombing campaign and Blair government.
Wonder if Mrs Thatcher Knew what she was doing ?
@@billfoster1878 is a wanker. Loony leftard sheep
@MR DON TRUMP KING god - Thanks for sharing!
This is what happens when you have to fill air time whilst having nothing substantial to talk about.
There's plenty to report on, this is just much easier, safer ect. A true waste of air and a distraction from important issues.
I would rather they cover This then yet again going after Harry and Megan. Speaking of which I still say all the time they were discussing the former duke and duchess they should have been Going after Prince Andrew. Considering he was actually accused of a crime and as far as I know neither Scotland Yard nor Interpol seriously investigated. Which should’ve raised a serious question as to whether or not the royal family is above the law.
This is what those boys died on the beaches of Normandy for.
I imagine so. I believe they died so we can argue about rice and other unimportant things. That's a sign of a peaceful society.
They died so that people with mindsets like Dawn Butler could be control freaks.
Thank God, the Allies came along and shot them.
Actually yes that’s what living in a free society is about being able to debate stuff, however pointless some may find it
Random guy very true
No they died because there goverment sold them out
Meanwhile in Tory Britain more families and low income people are having to use food banks.
Do you really think that would change with labour lool
The Long Road
It's called 'open borders' syndrome.
@@liamroyce5958 you think it will change without?
@@AlphaGoII no.. go read a history book.
Meanwhile a Vicar in Oxford questions the opening of another food bank because nobody uses the ones he oversees now.
Short answer: No one cares.
Your username name should be Neil DGAF-Tyson
obsessed with rice baiting now?
top notch
bunch of riceists!
Didn't he do well, he's worth £200+Million, one of the real beneficiary of class war.
This cockney lad knows how to play both sides!
Charity search on the geezer is now available.
That was really rice what you did there lol
This is very silly. I'm black Caribbean who loves my Caribbean food, as a matter of fact I love cooking. If I decided to prepare a spaghetti bolognaise am I trying to steal someone culture? Please tell me? Our black kids are killing each other on a daily basis, why can't the same Rustie Lee, Levi Roots, Dawn Butter mp, use that energy instead? This debate is just embarrassing.
Couldn't agree more, this is ridiculous, food is one thing that can bring all together and worldwide we share recipes and ingredients because food acends race
Well said! Here here!
If you tried to sell a Bolognaise sauce to Italians and beyond with the wrong I ingredients they would call u out on it. That's what this debate is about
Dual971 you wouldn’t be because the definition of cultural appropriation is the majority culture taking from the minority culture. Not the other way around. Logically it’s only an issue one way. If colonialism had been done by Africans and they were the majority culture - any effort by them to take from whites would then be appropriation. I hope that helps.
Dual971 well said
*THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THE MEDIA!*
The Ultimate Warrior You got that right guys. I say guys as apparently that's an offensive term now :)
So what you're saying is all Taco Bell restaurants need to shut down because it isn't authentic Mexican food?
Yes, not even being sarcastic, yes, or rename them.
Does cultural appropriation mean that Ainsley Harriot can't make a lasagna?
Nakadu it’s not about making the food if he made a lasagna fine, but if he then turned around and called it ainsley’s Shepard pie then not fine. You can’t just take something from a culture that’s not yours, get it wrong and then say it doesn’t matter anyway shrug.
@@Yazzaroo22 It's a free country. People can cook and eat whatever they want. It's not North Korea ffs!
@@Yazzaroo22 absolute bullshit if Ainslie has his own secret shepherds pie recipe he has every right to sell it cultural appropriation is a divisive word white people cant have dreadlocks black people cant straighten their hair thats what that term creates
No it means he can't make lasagna and call it fish and chips.your comment is so dumb,it's always about race for people like you.all you hear is a white person was criticized by a black person.sad
@@hannahismail7090 actually cultural appropriation isn't about accuracy it's about using something from another culture (like a white person having dreadlocks) so Ainsley Harriot making a lasagna *would* be cultural appropriation......but I think that would be perfectly ok so it's *not* about race for "people like me"......whatever you think that means!......also Ainsley Harriot is British and lasagna is Italian....so who's bringing race into it eh?
Sum it up not cultural appropriation just disappointed that it has no spice
I agree
bruh brown 😂 your the only sane person in here mate
Political correctness nonsense! All the problems in the world racism poverty clean drinking water human trafficking and this is a discussion please people you wanted diversity and here it is folks
when people complain about this nobody comes good just further pushes us apart. Kids with no parents rubbish education system poor infrastructure pressure and poverty everywhere and as usual we focus on this punchy soundbite good luck people you are going to need it.
Peace be with you.
Is this a comedy sketch from The Day Today?
Shepherd's pie uses exclusively lamb. With beef, it becomes cottage pie.
And yet if a jamaican sold cottage pie as shepherds pie no one would give a toss.
This isn't news.
It's drama seeking 'journalism'.
'Let's go find a non-existent problem and get some attention'.
Job done.
Lame. Really, really lame.
MrB1923 it's Channel4 what do you expect?
Maybe we should start using the term 'dramalism' - sensationlism that's shaped to push a narrative.
You also have to wonder kicking up a fuss is the new way to get PR.
Diversity is our strength, they said.
Being able to cook different cuisines gives you more options, so in terms of food, it's certainly true. Read the comments. Many black people hate this too. Stupidity isn't based on the colour of your skin or where you come from, it's from not being able to think critically, and that is NOT genetic.
Cultural Appropriation is such a load of bullshit. Uncle Ben makes sweet and sour is he Chinese nooo. He does basmati rice is he Indian noooo. Why is this news. I love Levi Roots btw his Puerto Rican chicken is mmmm
Amz Nay it's funny you mention he makes Peurto Rican chicken, according to that MPs logic, he is also culturally appropriating that countries food and culture because it is not where he is from. I like Levi too he is a cool guy with good products, it's just that if one rule applies for one person it should be for every chef releasing products that don't adhere to their own culture and or traditional recipes (which can also be difficult because many regions or even in different families the recipes differ)
Uncle Ben(his actual name is Frank brown)he is the figure but has nothing to do with the company. ruclips.net/video/m0oVaKU6iuQ/видео.html
Lol. You think Uncle Ben is the real recipe maker for this brand
Uncle Ben farms the rice grains he doesn't make the recipe.
Uncle ben is a figurehead and has nothing to do with anything
I hear this and it just makes me think about what goes on with Italian food. I don't know whether to laugh at the ridiculousness or cry at the blatant hypocrisy of the current agenda and destruction of authentic Italian cuisine
I made a pizza is that wrong now
Daza do That will be the next thing these idiots pick up on
newvillagefilms they’ve programmed you to think that is important
Daza do if your not Italian your not allowed lol
haha bt if you make a 'pizza' with no cheese, no bread, and no tomato source, but instead with rice and chicken, is that still pizza? And if you try to sell that as pizza, someone gonna call you out, on your fraud.
Yes. You need to call it something else now.
Diversity is our greatest strength. Also, selling another ethnicity's food without their permission is an act of racial hostility.
Diversity is not a strenght😂 its cancer.
Dear Mr Wong,
Please can I make my family a Chinese dinner tonight?
Yours sincerely,
Joe Bloggs.
Dear Mr Wu,
....
Michael Black In 50 years time I can hear what started the last war Daddy well it started with a can of food :)
Sounds like a case of false advertising rather than this absurd notion of cultural appropriation.
what did i just watch?
The same as me, I just don't know why!
I’m glad Levi Roots approached this in a level & balanced way. Jamie Oliver has obviously made a mistake; but throwing terms like they have at him, is below the belt.
Cultural appropriation? Hate that term. I thought part of multiculturalism was to have crosspollination and something of a melting pot... where cultures melt and take the best bits of each other?
That's not what the term means. it's about disrespecting the minority culture.
I'm an open minded person but I wouldn't call myself an sjw. I think I get why people don't like "cultural appropriation" but I think it should be called cultural misrepresentation instead. Culture is something that's very important and dear to people. Having the majority of people outside of that totally misrepresent something that's important to you is borderline offensive to everyone who's ever encountered it before. Just ask the Italians (from Italy).
So "cultural appropriation" doesn't apply when Europeans teach the rest of the World how to farm properly?
THAT NEVER HAPPENED, WE TAUGHT YOU, FACTS.
WeaponizedLGBT how did Europeans invent proper farming if farming was already in places Europeans visited? 😂
S B, There is a right way & a wrong way... Africans OVER-FARM the land, destroying the soils fertility, ruining the next harvest.
To Err is Huma how do I think that? Have I said that?
WeaponizedLGBT I dont know about Africa but South Americans could have taught Europeans a lot about diversified agriculture, advanced irrigation and crop rotation. But Spanish preferred to destroy it all, enslave the indigenous who survived long enough to work on monoculture plantations.
No, it's ridiculous! This world is going downhill fast.
The scone analogy is pointless. Preference does not determine food. We all eat food. We all share food.
I respect the fact that he chose traditional Caribbean dress for the interview, you go Keith.
So if she eats any foods not Jamaican then is she appropriating other peoples foods?
yes and she is not allowed to produce fish and chips or roast beef.
It's about exploiting other foods to a bastardized recipe for £££ that is cultural appropriation. Not imply eating other foods. It's the wrong recipe and the £££ that makes it offensive.
Eve Moodie it is still stupid, utterly PC and a joke. You see lots of bbq sauce around, are most of those "misappropriating". What a load of rubbish, this pathetic PC extremism has to stop. My point was, so how is a Jamaican person running a fish and chip shop and making loads of £s not "cultural misappropriation" fish and chips are not Jamaican so they have no business making money from it. Recipes also vary widely between Jamaicans I bet too, so there is not "exact" recipe.
Also a lot of Indian takeaways and restaurants cook and sell food from all over India, including recipes from other cultures such as Malaysian and Thai food and also Persian...do they have to stop this and how far should we take this PC rubbish? I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life.
+Jewel Heart I know you're playing devils advocate here but how many Jamaicans have you seen opening fish and chip shops? I don't think we would because that's not a dish we could market with any kind of credibility. Not saying it's impossible but I think it would be stupid to set up shop for something we can't market really well. Authenticity. It matters. People pay a premium for it.
So why people think it’s ok to misappropriate Jamaican cuisine if you did that to French or Italian food I bet everyone would be pissed
really great parallel!
As a Jamaican I think this is an abomination don't get me wrong😂, but it isn't news-worthy.
Dawn Butler is usually on point, but as a Jamaican myself, she is way off here. Let the man try his thing. If people like it, fabulous, if I like it, fabulous! If his package rice can come out better than mine, more power to him!
Thank God there are some sane comments here.
of course you cannot appropriate food ,,, its ridiculous ... stop this foolishness now
alim3611 You can appropriate food, the question is whether it's wrong or not. There is a widely recognised legal system of protecting a foods origin. Labeled DOP in Italy, or AOC in France, it prevents people trading on a name that has earned a reputation of quality when the product in question does not have anything to do with that history or quality.
Dawn Butler needs to head to the back bench. Woman has ran out of issues.
Hahaha didn't she just destroy her whole argument at the end when she said she worked a Japanese/Pervian restaurant where Japanese people always complained it wasn't Japanese? Oh but it's okay if there is "context" - which is presumably I'm doing it you're not? As always Levi is cool and treats this with "issue" with the levity it deserves
Talking to a local women who said she enjoys foreign sausage. She said it tastes fantastic. She also said local sausage wasn't satisfying enough. Is that taking cultural appropriation too far ?
I thought all west indian spices were significantly influenced by India.
creative source worse than that, Rice doesn't even come from Jamaica... These people have nothing better to do than argue trivia in an era when everything is available everywhere and people still starve!
Not really. West Indian food is influenced by Indian food but not significantly it is more an amalgamation of several cultures which has evolved into it's own unique taste
@marble hall Highbury grancanyon1970
Please educate us then on the history of spice route Mr Marble. :-)
but appropriattion is based on influenced...i find it funny how jamaicans can be infuenced by indian food, but its appopriation the other way around
layla smith What! No, no, no please don’t be ignorant in this comment.
Most of the West Indian food is not influenced by India.
When the Indians were brought to the Caribbean in the 1850’s they brought curry and roti dish. Not much more than that.
Everything else were brought over African, China, Syria, and everyone one else who were servants. A lot of the ingredients already existed in the Caribbean when the Taino and Carib were here already before being slaughtered.
Everything in the Caribbean was brought together and what makes us unique is how we have come together and kept everything the same and appreciate it as one people.
Only black cultures complain about this appropriation of food / culture. Be happy that people appreciate your food , rice is not exclusive to the african culture, nor black, it is asian, it was appropriated by the black community
Peter-john De Jong false
They are just mad that the famous guy invented a smart way to promote his product
They dont complain when Europeans teach them how to farm though...
*It's cultural appropriation because I haven't got rich off that yet!*
@@stringupthemaoist3148 🤔 hmmm farming existed before europeans
when people are worried about stupid things
Dawn Butler, Shadow Secretary of State for Wimmin, Equalities and Cultural Appropriation. She'll be on a big screen in every home and workplace if Labour ever get in.
Muck fe, this qualifies as news?
It's microwaveable rice, it looks disgusting and probably tastes disgusting, the cooked rice sitting in the bag with liquid for weeks, absolutely digusting. Is it wrong for Ainsley to sell a Kafta making kit, he is not middle eastern and his spice blend included sugar , wheat and milk, none of which is required for kafta's. This is a marketing thing for that chef's brand, levi does it, jamie does it, ainsley does it, they all do it, the only reason this is becoming a problem is jealousy, people wishing they got in their first with the idea, for an MP to go on a rice crusade on tv stations while the UK is gripped in a knife, gun and acid attack epidemic that greatly affects black youth is absolutely shameful, do you think that the last thought of black youth who are dying from being stabbed or shot is 'damn jamie oliver and his cultural appropriation rice'
@A S well it is still Shepard's pie. You're just using chicken FFS. That's like saying if you only have one leg you're not really a human because a real human has two legs.
It's affecting everyone!
I was once on the Greek island of Crete and had the 'full English'. Well, it came with French toast. I immediately stood up and challenged the owner to a dual at dawn for offending my honour (and yes, i left it as honour...with a 'u'.....because that's proper English).
Bigger problem is how we allowed Chefs to become celebrities in the first place?? And not just Chefs..
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There is no such thing as cultural appropriation. This idiocy has to stop.
Go to sleep Morgana
It's almost scary how good I am
..And meanwhile Jamie makes more millions from free advertising...
I love it when the media addresses the important issues
"When arguments over what goes first on a scone, jam or cream, come into the news cycle." That statement says it all. People have zero life.
This is the guy who has spent 20 years knocking off Italian cooking? Not a single word said.
This is a debate that would not happen here in the states. Everyone knows that if it doesn't have the Jamaican stamp it's more than likely not authentic.... however, no one is accused of cultural appropriation.... really????
The only scandal here is that a Channel 4 broadcaster, whose job it is to express ideas accurately with words, said 'restauranteur'.
We are so privileged to have a right or wrong way to cook and eat food.
Next up, are artists allowed to mix primary colours?
When I cook something, it’s because I like it and I’m hungry. That’s all.
When was it agreed that cultural appropriation is an actual thing?
And the description is given as a version
This was shown on television and that was invented by someone Scottish so if you aren’t Scottish you can’t use TVs or telephones or fridges because that’s cultural appropriation
And here we are - all complaining about the stupidity of the debate - yet we all clicked on it didn't we? We get the news we deserve.
So are they saying they can't be in England if they're Jamaican?
African were brought over from Africa to the Americas and the chili they add to the food is either from Jamaica or Africa land, so...?
Hasn't he appropriated my culture's clothing and language? I'm offended.
Meanwhile in Ethiopia a starving child who hasn't ate in 2 weeks refuses to eat his sushi because it's culture appropriation.
This is called "let me get some publicity because im running out of money so i will pretend to be offended"
Going to buy a handful of these when I go shopping next time . Thanks for bringing to my intention
What happened to "imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."
chicken korma is not an original Indian meal but supprise its the most popular , so why should Jamaican food be any different
Jamie called, from his private island in the Caribbean, he says "thanks for the 60,000% increase in sales on my new product @dawnbutler". #jerkthis
Can’t believe this is an actual televised debate on the same station that had Jordan Peterson on...
I can't actually believe this station is still on air after the Jordan's appearance.
If that’s the case people from the Caribbean should never cook pizza or pasta and try to make it there own this is absolutely bullshit
If I bought a shepards pie that turned out to be salmon with asparagus I wouldnt continue to buy that product....... That's it.
Our media is insufferable. Why is this even an issue worth getting annoyed over ffsz
2:09 "half hazard."
Think you'll find its "hap hazard."
Remember when politics was about you know real issues? This is what it is now.
He keeps wearing that Same suit
They should only sell a Cornish pastie in Cornwall as well...
This is the equivalent of Levi Roots branding and selling Tangy Bolognese Rice with no meat in it. I'm sure Italians would be up in arms and, rightly, quite displeased about such an aberration.
With that said, Dawn Butler needs to be worrying about the state of the borough she's "supposedly" running. Met her last year at Notting Hill Carnival and by the brief conversation we had she immediately struck me as someone who is craving attention and fame.
I’m sick of hearing the word culture appropriation seems to be the new buzz word how about taking it as flattery no one has copyright to an individual recipe from any culture everyone adds there own twist to many recipes from many cultures!
Up next... The Shadow Diversity Minster is having a melt down about someone using a marinade in a untraditional manner..
The scandal here isn't cultural appropriation (or jealousy from rival 'personality', privileged, highly paid marketing entrpreneurs) it's TV CHEFS lending their names to factory made, branded processed foods, sauces and ready meal products! Having spent decades crusading for proper food and real cooking skills albeit charging astronomical prices in his ailing restaurant chains, Jamie Oliver is finding new ways to cash in on the public's laziness after the TV chefs turned cooking into a spectator sport! More free publicity for his brand of course
Yaaaawn
Does anyone take what goes onto a scone jam or cream that seriously? I dont think anyone has been assulted or died from it!
Or am i just not keep up with current affairs???
“appropriation” is another word for theft and to suggest the theft of a culture assumes it is owned which it isn’t therefore it’s a non debate. This debacle tells you more about the intellectual weakness of the particular MP who started this idiotic debate and the people who also piggybacked this debate for their own gain. This country is in turmoil right now and I would expect all politicians to be working flat out on resolving the pressing matters not looking for issues to be triggered by and then go to the press with fake outrage. If the growth in Food banks, the Brexit process, increase in London knife killings and acid attacks isn’t enough to keep this MP busy she needs to be voted out because she clearly has to much time on her hands.
She is culturally appropriatist for talking about shepherds pie in that way
There is no such thing as cultural appropriation but there is cultural appreciation. Such argument is concocted and is a by-product of ill-informed people either driven by pure maliciousness or utter ignorance.
Media time is given to this stupid topic - no one cares to discuss the fact Monsanto has copyrighted Basmati rice from India, a global staple just because they have modified the genetic make up of the rice to withstand drought but the seeds can never reused again, so they could make more monies.
The poor farmers are forever indebted to a global company thus has resulted with farmers' suicide to double in the last two decades but their lives and struggles do not matter.
For more information please Google Vandana Shiva and learn, it's more better than wasting your time on this concocted debate.
There is such a thing.
What is going on in Britain...
All this Cultural appropriation Has to stop. I use to Play the Triangle in a Jamaican Band. I left, It was just one Ting after another.
That was a great interview on both sides. Informative & respectful.
She seemed to argue it very poorly.
Labour front benchers should have something more worthwhile to address
oh cool. I am russian, so this "channel 4 news" is one of those jokester news outlets like "the onion" from the states , right? i didn't know you british guys did this too but instead of it being free on the internet, you charge 150.50 pounds for it. Seems tad kind of expensive for a prank news website.
how much of the money from jamies rice is getting sent to jamaica? so he can just teef their culture and sell it as his own kmt
What a complete waste of time and money this is a pointless debate. Food is universal people should be able to eat whatever food they want
I assume the western version of Chinese and Indian food found in takeaways is racist too then?
i wonder how the Italians would feel if I made cheese in Birmingham and called it 'parmesan reggiano'
what a complete non-debate. 'when people here argue over scones' ... when does this actually happen? please.
It's like calling a cottage pie a Shepard's pie.
A Shepard pie is made with lamb or mutton... It's not called coyboy pie afterall.
Yes, I'm sure hungry Jamaicans are united in saying "we will starve before we eat rice with no allspice", insert clenched fist. FFS, if you want to take up a food issue, grow up, and go help run a soup kitchen.
Plenty of people starving in the UK.
Cultural inappropriation is a better accusation, as it was inappropriate to get the whole recipe wrong.
So this is what passes for news on channel 4
I am disappointed that they didn't find a way to shoehorn the Russians and trump into the article !!
Channel 4 news done shot it itself in the foot enough times this year alone, never mind the last decade
He made it without spice for mass market appeal!