Russian Anti-Satellite Weapon Causes Emergency On Space Station
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- Yesterday the Russian military tested a new Anti-Satellite missile on an old, dead Soviet satellite. The test was a success and now there are thousands of pieces of debris crossing the orbit of the Space Station. Space is big, and the chances of an impacts are low, but this particular satellite was relatively close to the altitude of the ISS, rather than low down like recent US and Indian tests meaning the debris will remain in orbit longer and have a long term cost for operations in Low Earth Orbit.
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The "Fly Safe" sign off hits differently on this one.
Hits the same for me. Considering they are not flying in space.
Yes, that it did.
Fly safe, while you still can.
Fly Safe FFS!!!
Scott has been manfully trying not to say "reckless endangerment" , which touches on criminal allusion. He doesn't like to diss state actors.
So he says "whole other level of stupid"
That was the most angry yet genuine "Fly safe" you've ever spoken!
I felt it
Military showboating, either gone wrong or with utter disregard for all others, or both. Typical Soviet behavior. I'm a U.S. Air Force veteran, and they'll still be my enemies long after I'm dead.
It's the same tone a mother tells her son: ok, you can go out, but this time, try not to do anything too stupid. Knowing that he is, infact, going to do something stupid.
No one will say what weapon it was, is what's scary. Was it a new missile, energy weapon, or the new satellites that Russia deployed that is like a nesting doll and deploys a secondary satellite that can maneuver on its own to destroy other satellites. The nesting doll satellite was following a top secret American spy satellite for a while.
Would be nice if they say what device blew up this old Russian satellite.
@@mwara2444 Based on the debris trajectory, It was a ballistic weapon, not an energy weapon. The stupid thing about this attack was that explosive devices aren't needed - a satellite killer basically just needs a harpoon and some extra propellant to drag the target out of orbit. Game over. Maybe a spear to damage a solar array that would disable any gyros as they'd spin down fairly quickly in response to an assault they weren't designed for.
That "fly safe" wasn't a suggestion, it was an order.
Unfortunately, there's basically nothing you can do to "fly safe" when you're dealing with an expanding cloud of hundreds/thousands of undetectable objects coming at you at orbital velocities. All you can do is try to be ready as you can for when the faecal matter hits the rotary air circulator.
"Fly safe. This is a threat."
It was like "What do I always tell you? Why don't you listen!? Now, really, 'fly safe'!"
The part he didn't say but we could all see on his face was "goddammit."
Kudos for mentioning only slightly less irresponsible antisat weapons tests/demonstrations by other powers, including the US (with a bit of background I wasn't aware of). This madness must stop.
Raygun's Star Wars plan, for instance.
@@CorgiDaddy2 Ah, Reagan's SDI? Yes... Thankfully, it pretty much fizzled out, but one never knows when a similar hare-brained scheme might be resurrected.
US P78-1 Solwind shot down 1985 and USA 193 shot down 2008 both by America.
@@LEO-xo9cz Yes. The former had the orbit very similar to that of Kosmos-1408 (~550km polar), so the debris cloud was probably similar, too. The latter was in a much lower, already deteriorating orbit, so that was a bit less harmful.
To be fair, 37 years ago there was much less useful stuff up there to be endangered. But still...
@@AndrewOfforjebe Errr... Huh?
I can only imagine the "what the fuck?" moment in mission control for the space station on a normal monday morning (or whatever the local time was).
I think they had to wake the crew up early with this news. There was a transmission at 6am space station time with a warning anyway. Not the way anyone wanted the day to start.
It was a Monday morning. Just because these things always greet you on a Monday morning. ;)
There's a button for that at staples, "What the Fuck?". It prompts all senior officials to the big screen.
Imagine if there's a Russian in the crew at this moment, all the others slowly turning their head towards him/her ...
wondering did a test really endanger ISS ( basically a russian station as well) or is all this more western nervousness because russia test was success ?
Who would have guessed that an anti satellite weapon would threaten every satellite
cost effective weapon
Any space enthusiast would have
@@starizard42 underrated comment imho. 😂✌🏻
Pretty much everyone. Unlike most people I don't think for a moment that Russians did it mistakenly or screwed up. They did it intentionally, reason idk. I can only guess that it was them pushing US and others to a serious weapon ban treaty regarding outer space. But it was surely intentional.
Kessler Syndrome...
When Scott says Fly Safe the way he said that, you know he is pissed.
'pissed' normally means 'drunk' - I don't think he was, but he may be 'pissed off'... British English difference maybe?
dude has been pissed for years now , if you go back and watch older videos he was a different person. back when this was a gaming channel and less scott's opinion soap box.
@@stepheneyles2198 'pissed' and 'pissed off' are generally interchangeable in American English, in my experience.
This just shows in one action, just how incredibly clever humans can be, while at the same time showing how immensely stupid we are.
For what ever reason the stupid are the majority.
@@MegaTriumph1 Sadly, you're totally right.
And the worst thing is that 99% believes to be part of the smart minority.
@@speed65752 and the 1% who doesn’t, actually is.
@@damocles8417 So even that 1% aren't real bright, then.
Simultaneously clever enough to build these weapons and stupid enough to use them.
Just watched this on the news and was waiting for your detailed breakdown.
When I saw some articles on it yesterday, this is the first place I went for info lmao, I knew it would only be a matter of time before he broke it down
Ewww. Don’t watch the news!!
Scott certainly suffered a breakdown...
@@jjeherrera As did the Kosmos sat
@@danniguerin4178 lmaoooo don't make fun of the deceased
We need a global Kessler Syndrome countdown clock like the Doomsday clock.
Just for the awareness outside our small spacegeek circle.
this needs to happen
The Kessler Syndrome has already started. It's just not as fast and dramatic as shown in blockbusters movies.
Are we going with current safety standards? Or going with the "It is IMPOSSIBLE to get into space" model.
@@absolutefolly2011 are you aware that the more you sanction us the worse it becomes for an average Russian citizen, not for people in power? They continue to drive mercedeses, swim on yachts and pay less for a living than russian workers living near them.
You shouldn't sanction them, you should arrest all and every bank accounts of them until there's none left.
Sure, kessler syndrome at a 450km orbit. Do you not understand orbital decay?. Kessler syndrome below 600km is impossible for more then 5 years or so..
Also, have you people forgotten all the other nations (including the US) that did similar tests.
That satellite orbit height graph shows Solar cycles so well (expanded atmosphere and more drag during max and shrinking with less drag during min).
Yes!! I did wonder if that's what caused the 10-11 year(ish) change in altitude degradation!
earth is constantly fed with solar wind, together with fossil fuel burnoff/outgassing earth has never had more atmosphere
@@replica1052 Has it never? (Honest curious question)
@@redstar956 and the rising sea levels give the tidal forces more grip as in more geothermal activity/vulcanoes
@@redstar956 It has probably had more mass, but it's plausible there's more light elements at a higher temperature now than ever before. Then the upper bounds of the atmosphere would be at their highest ever.
But I rather doubt that's the case. If we take CO2 concentrations up to about 1000ppm the equilibrium temperature at the surface is high enough to kill humans up into the subtropics (when combined with water, that is). And it has been even warmer before.
Quoting Rick Moranis in Spaceballs: "I knew it, I am surrounded by a-holes."
Generals off the leash are the most dangerous people on Earth, with the exception of pyromaniacal psychopathic leaders of a nuclear armed countries. So far, thankfully, our leaders have only been incompetent and corrupt.
Today, "asshole" implies malice when applied to a person. For example, Urban Dictionary says that an asshole is, "A person who is intentionally cruel, obnoxious and heartless." Spaceballs used the somewhat antiquated meaning of "asshole," which had more to do with stupidity or incompetence. Merriam Webster covers both old and new connotations with "a stupid, annoying, or detestable person."
Hmm not a-holes but they are typicially refered to as (brown rounds)
space junk; what ever happened to the vacuum in Spaceballs?
An asshole would have hit that satellite from an other angle. Not the angle that sends most debris retrograde/slowed them down/make them deorbit pretty quickly
I always look forward to how each "fly safe" sign off is different every single time. This one was quite ominous!
Fly safe... Or else.
Should have been, "FLY SAFER!!"
Came here to say the same thing lol!
True
I got the distinct impression that Scott Manley is some sort of eldergod that is disappointed in our space performance and we are going to be grounded if we pull any more of this shit.
Going to need that 'fly safe' more than ever
You can't fly in space
@Aaron “they not flying, their orbiting”. Seriously? You’re casting stones about being uneducated?
@@drink15 true you orbit
Falling with style.
Listened to the audio transmissions and I'm realizing that this is the rookie Commander handling this right now! Talk about a baptism by fire!
I see the light.
Where is that at? Sounds interesting
rookie astronauts still means hundreds of hours of training.
@@5Andysalive obviously, they aren't going to have completely unqualified people up there.
When Scott Manley Says "FLY SAFE" like that, you know its not a suggestion anymore lol.
*literally anything space related appears on my news feed*
"I'll wait until the Scott Manly video before I give it any interest."
Honestly my dude
Sadly after this video not anymore. :(
So there is now birdshot flying around the Earth at over 10 times the speed of regular birdshot?
PULL!
There always is, but now there's more.
More like flak, not birdshot
“Wait, there’s birdshot flying around the earth at 10x the speed of birdshot?”
“Always has been.”
Birdshot is relatively low velocity, so it's much closer to 25 times the speed of regular birdshot.
"Fly safe." Damn, that takes on a whole new meaning.
...if you can!
Scott: "fly safe"
Military generals in a secret bunker in Siberia: " Holy shit, he is pissed, we better cancel the next test..."
Москва: Очень хорошо, продолжайте с следующим фазам испытания!
Контрольный пункт в Сибири: Да, есть!
I was going to say, I doubt I'm the first to say this, but maybe Russia heard Scott's outro and just wanted to allow him to make a completely perfect video for his outro.
yup, they will continue until a falling satellite destroys Kremlin... no need to heed warnings before that happens
@@bentos117 You forget that the Kremlin and Moscow are protected by S-500. I'm delighted the test is a success, it means that in a hot war American space assets can be taken out. This is very good news, because it lowers the confidence of the Pentagon, which in turn makes a hot war with Russia less likely. You don't want a hot war with Russia, because eventually that would end with the use of nuclear weapons. Which would simultaneously be launched from strategic bombers, stealth submarines, navy ships and a lot of silos in Siberia. Never mind all the missiles that are continuously on the move on trucks and trains.
They will mostly get through because the protection of civilians against a nuclear strike is not a priority in the US. In fact, there is no bomb shelter for you. The only people who will be able to take shelter and who will be under the dubious "protection" of THAAD will be the filth that started the war. Their shelters have indoor golfing and spas and serve gourmet food. While they are having steak and lobster dinner and having a good time, you're going to be breathing in the radio nuclides from the fallout on your knees while you are trying to bust open a can of dog food with a rock.
@@statinskill ye ye... will talk to you when Putin finally blows up Mother Russia... not "if", but "when" :D... Chernobyl was a warning, you didn't learn anything
Good ol Kessler syndrome creeping up on us. Saw the article when I woke up and patiently waited for your input! You really help understand all the technical jargon in layman's terms!
they seem to want to actively initiate Kessler syndrome
Thankfully Kessler syndrome can't occur in these sub 500km orbits. The debris simply deorbits too fast.
@@VG_164 temporary Kessler syndrome can (100+ years)
@@Greenmasterone move that 100 down to 20. since most of the debris would lose speed and de-orbit at that pace (for example the starlink sattelites would deorbit in around 5 years after no longer having fuel to keep em up. and they're at 440 km)
@@romanplays1 can you imagine 20 years without connection to the world? we aint even gonna reach the 20 years before we blow each other up with nukes
I would be genuinely interested what the two cosmonauts had to say when they were told they needed to shelter in a lifeboat because their government had done something this stupid.
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Da lets make shure we newer vote putin
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Takes secret votka botle drinks gives to corade
icant belive they do this to us and we nov stuck in this tiny unit
drinks
Lets wear those suits and sleep like a bear
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I gather Russian is a great language to swear in.
Yea.... when they all gather to hear the news... and the rest of the crew stares at the russians... what is said next?
I’m not entirely joking when I say that they’re probably somewhat hesitant to say a whole lot negative about what their government did. I know that cosmonauts (like astronauts) tend to be scientists/engineers who just want to do space stuff and don’t really care about the stupid politics crap. But Russia’s been on a rather concerning track lately regarding people who speak ill of the nation’s space activities etc.
Great Zarquon, if I was in that situation I'd certainly sleep hugging a space suit.
id be sleeping in it hehe
i'd be nailing blocks of lead to the outside of ISS.
@@HarryNicNicholas There's three problems with that...
1) Getting the lead up to the station.
2) Actually managing to attach the lead to the station.
3) All that extra mass will make orbit corrections much harder if not impossible.
@@InternetGravedigger it was a joke
I would prefer to be hugging the inside of one at that point, afraid that if something happened, I wouldn't have enough time to put it on.
That "Fly safe" made me feel like I launched that anti-satellite missile and he was extremely disappointed in me
Now that the US, China and Russia (und India) have shown to have this capability maybe they are willing to pass a UN resolution to outlaw it, I doubt France or the UK intend to shoot down one.
Imagine if North Korea or Afghanistan had this... *dOomSDaY mUSiuC*
Veto
france and britain will hug american legs as usual, they dont need independent capability. hell british nuclear arm is barely independent of the us with lots of people thinking its straight up american controlled.
Just you wait
Nobody listens to the UN anyhow. All the UN does is waste money and demand "favors" from africans for food.
Remember the movie Gravity?
“Mission control I have a bad feeling about this mission.”…
“Attention ISS, Endeavor, Russia launched a missile at one of their own satellite, we are checking…”
Life should not be imitating art like this.
Yeah I was talking to a friend on FB about this glaring stupidity on behalf of Russia and to communicate the danger involved I referred her to that very scene from Gravity. I rewatched the bit myself and was unpleasantly reminded that it was THIS VERY THING that destroyed Explorer (and so much more) in that movie! Arrrrrrghhhhhh. The recklessness and lack of concern displayed here is just mindboggling.
Edited to fix "Endeavor" whoopsie. TY Desktop Orbinaut. ;-)
What's funny is that I had just watched Gravity a few days before this event, and then when I heard that the Russians actually did it in real life, I thought I was hallucinating!
I didn't remember what caused all the space debris in the movie so I googled and you're right! It's like they decided to enact the plot in real life
@@limiv5272 Right? Like the Russian military are fans of Sandra Bullock or something.
"Human, why does your experimental starship have so many weapons?"
"Sattelites."
"Do you really need one hundred and forty excorcet missiles?"
"We have a lot of sattelites."
"..."
Humans are space orks
Aliens: "Why are your civilian spaceships covered In armour??"
Humans: Ya see we have a ton uv satellites we shoot up 'der, an' den we blew some up too. So 'der iz more stuff up 'der now an’ we had ta put weapon's on our ships so dey don't brake.
but dat jus makes more stuff. So we said fuck it, an put armour on everyth'n.
@@rzu1474 Don't go into stand up.
@@showmemo3686
M8 I prefer to stay seated
how do you spell satellite wrongly twice when it's in the title of the video you're watching?
@@jusesjimmybars Practice?
In a perfect world, an anti-satellite weapon doesn't create more space debris. It gently pulls the target down into the atmosphere.
which really doesnt work as weapon.
@@SSGTWinters how so? A weapon doesn't need to explosively destroy something, it just needs to effectively disable the target.
I'd expect pulling it into the atmosphere to be pretty destructive no matter how it's done. And effective at disabling it.
@@jojo-pk no, if you can manage to match orbit, attach to your target and have enough fuel for a deorbit burn you can do that without creating a cloud of garbage.
the first part though require so much more fuel and planning than just shooting a suborbital slug that intercepts the target
@@Daniel-yy3ty how do you fit a device like that to an aircraft
We need a new international treaty for this kind of thing, like the various treaties on Antarctica, space, and nukes. If these anti-satellite tests aren't banned completely, they should at least be restricted to altitudes below the lowest manned station.
Actually Russia did propose such thing to forbid space weapons. USA declined it.
@@goodfis624 Referring to ban tests not weapons. No point in a ban no country can afford to obey. These are so stupid don't need to actually hit anything just fire the missile see if it gets to were you want it and test the explosive warhead separately .
Lets be a little realistic here. Every major nation on this world is preparing for war right now. The military spendings of China, Russia and the US have raised quite a bit. Also from every nation in the proximity of China.
All of these nations want to protect themselfs if a war breaks out.
1.) They want to shoot down ICBMs that carry nuclear warheads to protect their infrastructure and also major cities
2.) They want to shoot down enemy spy satellites, so they can safely move troops for the conventional warfare
Somehow you want to test those weapons to be sure they are good enough to do the job right in case shit is hitting the fan. Also those tests show the capabilities of a nation. Basicly you are saying: "Look, you cant hurt us enough with a preventive strike. We will and we can retaliate. Oh, and we will make it really hard for your commanders to say where the targets are and where we will strike."
No country will sign such a treaty. Even if that means that their own space program is in danger.
Satellite collisions are still very rare, and dont have enough impact on the economy to force those countries into a treaty. At least not when you consider "national security" as a reasoning behind all that.
I am not saying those tests or militaristic reasons are good. But I am saying that we, sadly - as species - need military and we need deterrent strategies to keep us in a state of peace.
@@RedRocket4000 you probably don't know the "Integration test" concept.
@@Gentleman...Driver I feel there's an important and distinctive difference between the species "needing" the level of military we have, and this simply being the path that has been chosen by the facists, dictators, and politicians in the pocket of military contractors.
Scott Manley: *publishes video on how to deorbit ISS*
Russian military: hold my vodka!
They took it personally 😂
Underrated comment
😂 but if real, it's not funny at all
Pretty much
Exactly! 2 Russian capsules mistakenly rocked the ISS hard recently. A hole drilled? Good grief!
The phrase "Fly safe!" is taking on a whole new meaning.
Dye your hair brown, change your name to james brown and it will start shining thru.
@@ronaldpoe3305 Ok
Edgar Allen Reagan
We really need to make some kind of treaty, with specific and sufficient penalties, regulating how ASAT tests can be done. I.E. Specifications as to the Apogee and Perigee of target satellites. If this is a weapon countries think they need, we need to find some way to stop them from causing more damage with it on accident in testing than an actual launch against an enemy target.
Yep. USA vetoed all such treaties
US doesn't want treaties. They believe they will win the arms race.
IIRC, there is already a treaty on weapons in space, and the terms are "no weapons in space".
Hahaha you and your treaties
@@valentinmagnenat3159 lol as if the people who want to conquer us would abide by a piece of paper
Russian military to Roscosmos: "Would you prefer another target, a military target? Then name the system!"
unused tarkin quote
"Dantooine......they're on Dantooine."
@@davidharrison7014 I find your lack of faith disturbing.
As a russian, I can totally see that!
All I can say is, "Don't be too proud of this technological terror you've constructed".
Pray I don't alter it any further!!
Nothing like a small taste of Kessler syndrome in the morning 😖 Hopefully we stop blowing things up in orbit on purpose, and I'm looking forward to seeing more tech to clean up space junk.
I've said for years that we need an orbital collection system that feeds the orbital recycling and materials research lab. It costs so much to put anything in orbit, that it makes sense to keep all that high-quality stuff up there and reuse it, instead of turning it into air pollution and junk on the ocean floor. Create jobs, improve our space presence, and clean up our space. Let's go!
USA has a Space Force. They have to do drills. Practice on junk seems like good practice. Maybe they will show us a drill about an Alien Invasion. Maybe we'll think it's real.
People scared of something that doesn't hit them directly like the Kessler syndrome or ISS rotation or starship exlposion when the real scared thing is already above their heads: Boeing x-37b with nuclear weapon is flying in orbit for years.
The Scott’s advice on flying safe has never been more important
That must have been terrifying for those on board the ISS.
“Huston in the blind, I am off structure and spinning.”
You know its serious when scott doesn't make a joke about something being 420
You caught that too, huh?
Some people aren't so obsessed with it that it drives every possible comment they could make. Those people are refreshing.
@@watcherofwatchers this is the internet, you cant escape the memes
@@JohnDoe-tx8eu Drug culture is dull and uninteresting.
@@watcherofwatchers your sense of humour (or lack of) is dull and uninteresting
Nice to see that Scott covered the fact that this is an act that all the major powers do, not just Russia.
Yes, but we should be learning from past mistakes, not repeating them. If you note, Scott talked about the Indian ASAT test. That was done a lot more responsibly as they hit an intentional target and all the debris rapidly reentered. +1 for India!
Russia, China...not so much.
@@flechette3782 USA not so much either. These aren't mistakes they are deliberate acts. The USA has made its space assets valuable military targets. Of course they are countered.
The scientific community: "We need to really pay attention because one oupsy could cause a chain reaction that would make LEO inaccessible for decades". Meanwhile, in Russia: "Let's create an uncontrollable field of debris and watch what happens".
“Here, we’ll save you the trouble of having to wait about an actual collision happens to see how bad things get 🙂”
Could we use insanely powerful lasers to destroy space debris possibly?
How about "let's put anywhere between 4000 and 40000 of 250 kg satellites into the LEO and hope nothing will collide ever" and "blame it on Russia anyway because it's the only thing we can do".
@@Number1FanProductions Nope.
@@Number1FanProductions I think that has been proposed as one potential method of cleanup. Technical concerns aside, you still have to figure out where the pieces of debris are in the first place though.
Edit: To clarify, I read the comment as “lasers”, which I think was the intent. For the record, I do not think using “losers” to clean up space debris is particularly viable. 😄
Part of me is hoping we never make force-fields for spacecraft and satellites, because if we do then we're just gonna keep doing this even more.
Even if we could, there’s no way we could make an emf powerful enough to repel debris moving 2 kilometers per second in the opposite direction XD
@@jambothejoyful2966 Well all I know is scientists are trying to make a powerful force field for spacecraft for dealing with space debris by using plasma and powerful magnets to keep said plasma in place around the craft as a large bubble and make space walks safer.
Scott, please do an episode about raising the orbit of the ISS!
Example related sub-topics:
* Could raising the orbit of the ISS reduce the risk of space debris collision?
* Would it be feasible to raise the orbit of the ISS to avoid the debris field if propellant could be sent up to the station to perform the necessary burns?
* How many Falcon 9 launches would it take to supply the propellant, vs Starship launches?
* At a higher altitude, would the decreased atmospheric drag pay for itself in the long run because of less need to burn propellant to maintain orbit?
* Would it be better to park the ISS below or above Starlink? At what point would the Van Allen radiation belt start to cause problems in practice?
Just some ideas - could be a neat episode. (Unless there's already an episode on this that I wasn't able to find)
Anyways, excellent work! Thanks for all the top-quality content.
Also could talk about if/how the ISS and Chinese Station could be merged via orbital adjustments.
No, the question is will you pay for that? Money isn’t cheap recently even for con-artist Elon.
@@yeyuan6273 I agree, but the theoretical is still fun/interesting; don’t be a buzzkill
@@ericlotze7724 NO, while you are being crazy, we solber people are running the world.
@@ericlotze7724 changes in orbital inclination are really really costly in terms of energy.
Frankly, Scott is being impressively restrained in this video. Russia's act was complete madness, and coupled with their recent trend of blaming other nations for Russia's own space fuckups, this is a bad look to say the least....
Really really really stupid. Now they will hear about this for years to come. And, God forbids, anything hits ISS, they will be blamed for centuries.
I would say he was objective. Heck, the US created the exact same problem which made a bunch of debris clouds endangering the space stations Salyut 7 and MIR.
Can't really act like it was complete madness when it becomes hypocritical.
He shouldn’t be restrained, this is completely outrageous
@@VG_164 He even pointed it out that others have done the same, India being the least bad, the Chinese strike being the worst. Why would it be hypocritical? He himself did not have anything to do with any of the tests. It's complete madness no matter which nation is behind it. It's basically hindering the space related scientific progress of the whole human race so some childish political leader gets to feel good about themselves.
@@Manijakh I know, it’s bad for everybody, no one should be doing it, that’s what he’s saying. It’s not a hypocritical message at all. Seriously the worlds largest militaries are wasting everybody’s resources and damaging progress for the whole world.
"I hope this is the last one"
Something tells me that ain't happening.
communist moment
So far these have been victimless tragedies. It won't be until someone or something important dies - potentially years or decades later - that there will be sufficiently tangible consequences.
@@mathewferstl7042 Who is the communist in this?
@@r3dp9 Something important has died, more area of space in LEO is now unusable for as long as the debris remains a hazard in that area
USA have dozens of satellites for military purposes in orbit. More than any other nation
This is the closest I've ever heard Scott be to losing his rag.
I was hoping he'd firmly plant his fist down and said "gosh darnit".
Isn't this literally the start of the movie Gravity?
no, in the cinema the situation is greatly exaggerated. This is not the first and not the last test until all countries with space programs agree to ban such tests.
@@konjinni it’s actually enough now. Now that the Russians have caught up with the US and China, maybe they will agree to a security council resolution banning further tests.
@@TheBooban Kinda true. Once the major players are in the game, they'll start banning others so that only they are able to play.
@@TheBooban Finally someone said that. US was not agreeing to sign a treaty against space militarization because they had an upper hand. Now the field is leveled.
Those last few seconds hit different this time. The stare right down the center of the objective, the circular light shine perfectly aligned with the pupils, it gave strong "I'm not mad, just disappointed" vibes.
Oh boy, this is something out of Gravity.
Well at least GPS is still working
@@Feefa99 Kim: "Hold my soju"
@@MrTridac GPS is now just one of many similar systems. At least most civilian systems should manage without it.
@@Feefa99 Yeah, GPS is still functioning... for now.
@@samiraperi467 most major countries either have, or are working on their own gnss constellations. Most are pretty high up. (About 20,000km.) However, is something started damaging one of the constellations, most others could be at risk. It would put a damper on the global economy. Even at the civilian level, a lot depends on it.
I find it a bit funny, because even a bigger explosion in a village 20 km away from here would never bother me, at least concerning flying debris. Gravity and Atmosphere are nice to have.
I imagine these reckless tests are going to be disastrous sooner than later.
This shit, none of this was happening until weak kneed FJB got in office, just sayin.
You cannot imagine how smart they are to pratice shooting satellite before war, can you?
This weird moment when India turns out to be most competent and responsible kid in the playground :)
India based
for now.
I can't comment domestically but for any international affairs india play 90% of the time very responsible.
The larger nations like Russia and China just have enough power and leverage accreted to be able to swing their military dicks around all they want however blatantly they want, and not face any real consequences for it, I suppose. At least relative to nations “lower” on the power scale (no insult to India intended). 😕
@@jgottula they actually are yeah surprisingly responsible in the world stage.... They're like the quiet smart kid, of course they still make bad decisions, but comparitavely, they're doin pretty well. Gudos for them
Russian military be like: "Those darn Starlink sats!"
No, more probably like: "No one allowed to have internet, which is bypassing our KGB servers"
@@russiansmustdie Trump will restore kremlin access don't worry.
thankfully the starlink sats are higher in orbit, more like Russian military be like, "we said we wanted out of the ISS"
@@tylermcnally8232 who?
Wouldn't be surprised Jeff bezos paid Russia to start a domino effect to take out Elon's starling !
The insane people of this world have detonated over 1000 nuclear weapon tests, and you are asking them to be more careful with this new toy?
Our value system needs to change.
_"This is not my problemski anymore, comrade, it is _*_our_*_ problem."_ 🤦🏼♀️
-ski is the end of Polish family names... Russians have -ov
@@Bialy_1 "The Polish share in our Problems" Mother Russia 1939.
Lol the last thing Putin would be is a communist
"But Comrade Putin, there are two of our own Cosmonauts still on the ISS!"
"Oh good... if one of them survives, he can be in charge of the repairs."
I guess someone counted on them being able to blame NATO for it or whatever.
Putin - This is taking too long. Destroy that ship!
B-1 But sir we still have several COSMONAUTS on board!
Putin - I don’t care
B-1 Roger Roger
THIS *bang* IS HOW WE FIX THINGS *bang, bang* ON RUSSIAN SPACE STATION!
It's showing they can takeout military satellites of NATO making nearly all smart weapons ineffective because people are really thinking about invading Russia and Belarus.
@@TeddyKrimsony Almost no weapons rely on satellites for this very reason
If there was ever a video in which I could have imagined Scott saying something was "a dick move," it would have been this one.
If it was a livestream he probably would but this is a bit more scripted.
A dick move was expanding NATO to Russia's border despite an agreement not to.
Keep poking the Bear in the face. When it rips our faces off, don't complain.
@@akk9196 those countries wanted to join NATO precisely because they have Russia as a next door neighbor. Can't say that I blame them, either.
@@1slotmech when u make a deal u should stick to the agreement. But, hey forgot we r talking about the US here!!! And as far as all this BS fake anger about this test space doesn’t belong to the US. You.all just need to calm down. The Russians r not children, show some respect..
@@MegaEdward39 the Russians evidently are children
I knew the Russians were filming a movie in space... I just didn't realize it was a remake of Gravity!
There needs to be a treaty to prevent these tests at high altitude. I think a limit of 200 kilometers would be reasonable.
Preferably I'd wouldn't want this to be allowed at any altitude but 200 kilometers is something I think everyone can agree on.
very likely not ever gonna happen.
there needs to be a complete ban of tests like this, because even if you destroy a satellite in a lower orbit, a lot of the debris will still fly to a higher orbit depending on the force of the impact. and you don't need much to start kessler syndrome.
And then the us is going to break that one as well
@@christianvanderstap6257 the u.s. is only tested one anti-satellite missile, and it was in 71
Even if you limit it to 200km so objects deorbit in a year or two that does not make it safe. Some of those pieces will kick up into much higher orbits. While their periapsis will still be at 200 km and make them deorbit fast that does not apply to the thousands of objects now orbiting at 500km generated because some of your shrapnel hit another sat minding its own business.
Its like dumping trash into the ocean, but with much higher stakes. Definitely something thats gotta stop soon.
Ahh. Yes, It's going to stop soon. Just like using fossil fuels. Very soon. I'm convinced.
One could argue that these are much lower stakes tbh
@@redstar956 yes, at least it doesn't pose an immediate threat to wildlife. But really: _DON'T LITTER_ - not in the oceans, not in lakes, definitely not in rivers, not in nature anywhere on land, and not in inhabited areas or cities for that matter. And also not in _space_ !!!
Yea, Russians just gonna watch and doing nothing when USA is instaling net of 10.000 starlink statelites that will allow USA to use its military drones all over the world with no need to risk live of any soldiers or even move them anywhere... clearly someone in Russian military is not ready to swallow that bs that USA is wasting billions of money on starlink to give people in 3rd world countries access to facebook and twitter... heh
@@redstar956 good point
This stuff is what makes me believe we will not be going to the stars in peace, if we go at all
We will go in small peaces.
Aurélien Carnoy I love ❤️ the peaces✌️
We're heading towards hundreds or thousands of years of self-quarantine, it seems.
“It is a bitter thought, but you must face it. The planets you may one day possess. But the stars are not for man.” ― from Childhood's End.
We wont.
@@neithere I can nearly feel the window Musk talked about closing.
I came here for relevant news, but found Mr. Kerbel himself.
What a time we live in to end up in this situation...
Thanks for taking the time Scott Manley.
Been waiting almost 24 hours for your take on this, thanks Scott.
Scoot loves Яussіаn мüгdегегz. He couldn't decide how to change his shoes during a jump
@@nneeerrrd tf ?
@@paul4381 This dude is most likely a russian speaker.
It's a russian idiom that means he changes his opinion according to situation.
So, once again... tf?
This is exactly how "Gravity" started, lol.
They waited for China to launch Tiangong to make this 90% similar to Gravity lol
I was thinking the same lol
2nd most impressive thing would be them admitting the mistake and taking the blame.
Strong man leader admitting a mistake?? Dream on. Putin is in cold war mindset
and collect their shit
@@benalkan8559 If not hot war.
No; Russia admitting any sort of fault or wrongdoing would in fact be the #1 most impressive/implausible thing that could happen, by a very very wide margin.
Russia's Ministry of defence today actually stated officially that there was a succesfull test and hit on the target, and that the debris is monitored and its not going to make any harm to anyone not involved. And as the time shows, everything's ok except western mass media crying loud again (which is not a surprise actually - every russian weapon success always makes some butts hurt). Also, kind of fun reading comments about Putin's "cold war mind" knowing that Russia is literally surrounded by NATO which is actually US led organisation from another side of the planet. Are you fkn serious? Im not a fan of Putin, especially in inner politics, but he is just keeping Russia's DEFENCE from NATO and US capabilities on a level and nothing more. Look on the globe map and try to use some simple logic in understandig who threatens who in todays world.
(oh, there go democracy spreaders :-/ all not cold war headed at all. and their fans. will not answer or read. have a good chat and your own head on your shoulders to think)
In 10 years no one can go to space any more. The dream of going to space will again just be a dream.
this time the "fly safe" at the end is on a whole new level xD
what hole?
@@avhuf A'Hole
This wasn’t a test. They knew exactly what would happen.
I'm sure they would love to blind us prior to any sort of "boots on the ground" conflict. Do you think they're trying to send us a message?
So attention seeking - like the narcissistic behaviour this encapsulates.
They were testing what would happen if they blew up something in front of the orbit of the ISS.
@@snickle1980 Yes they are. Let's Go Brandon is the message.
If Putin can't rule the world, then Putin is going to ruin the world. Attacks on democracy, assasinations of dissidents,, arrests of political opponents,, manufactured crises, disinformation wars, cyber extortion, covid denial, vaccine disinformation. According to The Economist there are twice as many political prisoners in Russia Today (pun intended) as there were in the Soviet era.
Using SM's example relative speed of 5 km/s, the specific energy of the debris is 12.5 MJ/kg, three times that of TNT. A 40-gram bolt has 500 kJ of KE or about 20-25 times more than a .50 BMG bullet.
where do you get 5km/s relative speed? Either you're going to fly out of orbit, or I am. We can't both have such a huge difference in speed and be in the same orbit. Orbital mechanics doesn't work that way.
@@anonydun82fgoog35 A collision between different orbital planes like that between Kosmos-2251 and Iridium 33? Relative velocity in that instance was 11.7 km/s
It’s good that you used your platform to speak out against this type of irresponsible behaviour. I’m sure many people involved in space operations, including military personnel, around the world watch your content. With a bit of luck any country planning a similarly dangerous operation can be dissuaded by their own staff showing this video to the decision makers.
We’ve never seen you show such anger before and I believe it’s a good thing that you did decide to express yourself in this way in this case because it’s clearly warranted. This was a totally unnecessary, wilfully reckless test which will be life threatening and hazardous for a long time.
Very well explained as always and presented in the most appropriate manner. Thanks.
Thanks, Scott. As soon as I heard of it this morning, I knew we'll have a deeper dive into it from you )
Lots of very good info and history in this video. Well done as always Scott!
Lol Scott, that "Fly Safe" was a silent scream... "Fly Safe FFS !! "
That was a really good little news episode. Thanks for delivering me that information in such a pleasant, rational, succinct way. It's very interesting stuff.
This could be Russia's way of pushing harder to have the ISS decomissioned.
the Russians are the only ones who build it... nauka and prichal module have just been delivered
@@gmouse14 How late though?
@@cossierob6143 the old Prichal module was removed only this summer, and will be immediately replaced with a new one. Russia is the only country that has announced that it will continue to use the ISS. NASA has announced that it is no longer interested in the ISS.
@@gmouse14 NASA never declared that. At the same time "Dmitry Rogozin had stated that Russia would reject a US request to prolong the orbiting station's use..."
@@gmouse14 Nope, russians are not the only one who contributed. Although production and launch of soviet (not russian) parts of ISS were indeed payed by USA, so russia has never contributed into ISS but its attempts of destroying it
It’s just like that Sandra Bullock film,
Miss Congeniality 2: Armed and Fabulous
We need a whole new regulatory system for space debris. There needs to be an international moratorium on ASAT weapons tests as well as consequences for leaving derelict vehicles in orbit or intentionally creating orbital debris, with serious financial repercussions involved.
you probably wont be able to ever ban weapon tests, because every country wants to do them, the only thing you can do is make it mandatory that every satellite deorbits itself after x amount of time
Hard to convince the russians when you were days away from stepping out the last treaty on arms control, the one that has the no nukes in space clause. The timer runs out again in about 4 years
There is slight problem with that called sovereignty.
Russia basically confirmed this was done to push the US into such a moratorium
I like your idea, but can you wait until after the U.S's next ASAT test before implementing it? Otherwise the U.S. isn't going to be onboard with this.
We did satellite shoot downs in 1985. I was part of the avionics shops for the ASAT, where a F-15 Eagle shot down an orbiting satellite. The s... hit the fan when the Air Force went ahead and did the test even though Congress was about to ban such tests because of a breech in a treaty with the Russians.
Angered a lot of citizens too, to destroy a working satellite. I wonder what the debris field was with that.
*Gravity is looking much more like a documentary every day*
The Russians shooting down a satellite is literally a plot point in that movie and I don't like it...
For everyone whining about the US doing a similar test the test US did in 2008 was on a failing military satellite at an altitude of about 250km and most of the 147 pieces of tracked debris deorbited with a few months unlike the mess Russia just made that will take a decade or more to deorbit. At least that test didn’t put two space stations in danger.
Edit: fixed wording.
America have done much worse, believe me!!!
It sounds to me as" Russia bad, america good" propaganda but ok.
As if the ensuing reaction would not be predictable: If you show your glockenspiel I will have to show my bigger glockenspiel.
The one who threw the first stone has to take responsibility for all stones thrown (or forever shut up and know you have the smallest glockenspiel).
@@alemalvina7624 how was any of that propaganda?
The US militarised space, what did they expect? You play stupid games, you win stupid prizes.
“I’m Scott Manley, fly safe”.
Russia: “LOL”.
Are you dissing Russia? One of our most beloved space nations?
@@I_dont_want_an_at If they cause Kessler Syndrome, they won’t be beloved for very long
@@I_dont_want_an_at beloved by whom?
Whenever I watch this channel, I can't help but think "What accomplishments must your ancestors have done 1500 years ago to get the surname Manley?"
what does manley means?
Scott's Fly safe is now needed more than ever.
The space station orbits at 420.
Those astronauts are *high*
Nobody cares when news talk about Russia, so please dont ask any questions, otherwise you will be labled as proRussianTroll, there is no choice.
@@andrecauselof4103 ? The comment was a joke about the number 420 beeing associated with weed
I've followed you for almost ten years now, and this is the first time seeing you angry. Rightfully so!
The only other time I can remember was for the comedy sketch he did with Door Monster.
The Americans withdrew from banning weapons in space, of course other nations have to keep up with the Americans to not risk their national safety. The Russians are just maintaining the terror balance. This is how things have worked for hundreds of years.
@@markusklyver6277 unfortunately accurate. We kicked off this new Cold War probably about the time we withdrew from the ban on placing and developing missile defense systems and started placing them near Russia. (Under Bush Jr, btw)
We all really need to get back into those treaties before this gets any worse.
Scott releases video on how to decommission the ISS.
Russia : Hold my Borsch!
“Borscht”.
Boršč.
Borscht isn't rusian but "shchi"
"I hope its the last one."
Russia looks away.
Didn't Russia complain vehemently about the Indian test? And now they have the gall to put their own people and equipment in actual danger.
Expecting RU to make good faith statements is a fool's errand
Russian government 101: your public declarations are non-obiding, so you are free to say one thing and then do the opposite.
Yep, just like now US (who made their own AST) complains about the Russian one. Diplomacy is the art of making the right noises.
@@deepspacewanderer9897 This is literally any government's declarations, lol.
There should be a complete ban on ASAT tests, just as there was for nuclear weapons testing.
You should do a list of space junk and debris by nation.
Given Russia's fairly recent on orbit taunting of a US at least one US spy satellite this is more than an idle threat. If anti-sat weapons are ever actually fired in anger the consequences could be dire.
I don't blame Russia for working on anti-sateliite technology. I predicted as much when Trump announced "Space Force", What a dumb idea!
@@dirremoire ASAT tests have been going on for a while. And last time I checked Trump isn't president anymore, and Russia is getting increasingly aggressive since we got Brandon in the white house.
@@Jimmy_CV Brandon didn't disband Space Force, did he? Given our country's increasing hostility against Russia, including fake accusations of manipulating the '16 election, who would think that Russia would sit by idly while we militarize space?
@@dirremoireThe Space Force was one of Don's best ideas lol.
Well, what they did goes directly against what you preach at the end of every single one of your videos.
“Space station operates at 420”
Indeed sir. Indeed.
that’s pretty high
He choose a little longer way to call someone stupid and i think i like it.
"Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe." --Albert Einstien
god damn i can't imagine how smug you must have looked typing that out.
That quote is probably not from Einstein.
"Don't believe everything you read on the internet."
- Mahatma Ghandi
you could've dropped the citation and it would've worked better tbh
It is slogan from Einstein
And well this slogan is clearly accurate to: Let's shoot theses satelites around Earth until we make no fly zone...
@@mozarteanchaos Yeah, do some both unethical and silly, so idiots everywhere can say it worked better. Those complaining about the quite and citation are even dumber and more useless than whoever made the decision to blow up the satellite.
Could this be a real life Space Odyssey 2010 where US and Russians needed to stay in separate portions of the space craft?
Every day at high noon they can have a showdown with their Acme P-31 self automated disintegrating guns , across the station , and Spock can come down from Vulcan to officiate . They can send William Shatner up there to give us all a poetic reporting of the daily duels , he can travel in Jeff B's dick ship and float by majestically as the electromagnetic arc of plasma discharge from the disintegrating guns jets out of their soyuz's . My thinking is it was just one too many movies , and in my case far too many Loony Toon Cartoons . lol.
I think it's more likely that the US and German crew of the ISS have just learned the idiomatic Russian for "what the absolute f***" when Mission Control told them what was going on. Lets face it, their own countrymen basically just fire a Giant Space Shotgun roughly in their direction.
@@Dafmeister1978 Today the ISS crew learned that " Какого хрена? " means " What the Fuck ? " in Russian
Someone needs to buy Comrade Putin a copy of Kerbal Space Program, instead of causing more chaos.
completely ignoring the chaos resulting from the current comrade in washington
A communist would be the last thing Putin would be.
I read an article on this a few days ago, but the fact that it wasn't from a reliable source I brushed it off as inaccurate or gross exaggeration, which it was. It was horribly understated, which could have been due to it being so recent, but hearing someone who gives good information and actual facts, holy cow!
Wasn't there a treaty against militarization of Space?
You should do a video on space politics.
Most people will find it boring, but it is an important aspect of space.
There is a treaty against NUCLEAR militarization of space.
Not really. The Outer Space Treaty is the only widely-accepted treaty that addresses the militarization of space. This treaty bans its signatories from establishing military bases or conducting any weapons tests on the surface of a celestial body, placing WMDs in orbit, or stationing WMDs in space. That's about it.
So, since this test did not take place on the surface of another celestial body, and does not involve a WMD, it is probably not illegal.
PS. The Outer Space Treaty notably fails to define what constitutes a WMD, so it is generally assumed that this classification includes only nuclear, chemical, and biological weapons. However, a kinetic orbital strike (aka. "Rods from God") would probably be every bit as devastating as nuclear weapons, yet is probably technically legal.
@@stephenjones5049 The So called Rods of god are misleading. The rod cannot deliver more energy than the energy that was spent to put it in orbit (laws of energy conservation ). Therefore it means less energy than the explosion of the rocket that was used to move it up. The alternative is moving things that are already in higher orbits and therefore have more relative kinetic energy to earth, but those are weapons that take days or weeks to hit its target (and that basically means a crap weapon )
US ruined anti-ballistic missiles treaty in 2001.
he Americans withdrew from banning weapons in space, of course other nations have to keep up with the Americans to not risk their national safety. The Russians are just maintaining the terror balance. This is how things have worked for hundreds of years.
Probably a good time to test a debris control/collection system. Too bad no one is going to pay for that R&D or any of its operational costs.
If it interferes with Starship and Starlink I bet there'll be one company working on such a project.
@@DenisLoubet I'm sure it will be far cheaper for starlink to replace any casualties then to work on cleaning up Leo, not sure about the starship project though.
@@IMunchOnCats Yup, it's the same as with the climate. Pollute heavily, make tons of profit from it, then just use that profit to run aircon (worsening the problem even further) while everyone else that didn't get any of that profit cooks.
What a wonderful world...
@@IMunchOnCats Right! You don't want to be dodging debris while trying to re-fuel in orbit! :-)
If they can blow up a loaded civilian jet midair and pretend nothing ever happened, dont think a few cosmonaut is going to be that much of their concern😂
Well, that wasn't the Russians. That was some untrained rebel fighters in Ukraine who got the missiles from the Russians, and who thought they were shooting down a Ukrainian military aircraft. They promptly panicked and sent the missiles back to the Russian military base, although the Russian cover-up was rather pointless in the end.
Stuff like this is why they will never be fully accepted as serious.
Certainly not from Putin's perspective, he already has a lot of blood on his hands.
still amazes me how governments and people were like ''yeah sure this seems fine''
The USA and other countries would likely see an attack on the ISS as an act of war if any damage was caused or lives were lost
Kind of love the symbiosis of professionalism and anger in this episodes "fly safe" statement