I can’t help but appreciate that the first two guides had thumbnails that look like propaganda for the faction in question, while the vagabond guide is a propaganda poster AGAINST the faction.
I like how the current meta is that this lone wanderer in the woods goes exploring the creepy ruins, finds an ancient sword, and then immediately goes insane killing as many people as they possibly can. Sounds like a horror movie. The Vagabond is actually Jason.
Love the bit about why Keep Rushing sucks. I would encourage every victim of it to not walk away but instead spend the game punishing the vagabond (or otters) who does this.
I feel like appealing to the emotion of 'dont make your opponents sad' is sort of not the best way to go about convincing people away from keep rushing, cause that still puts into people's heads that it's a viable way to win the game, and therefore they will seek out doing that if they are more results oriented. Keep Rushing is 9/10 times a losing play anyway, and I think would be a much more compelling argument. "Congratulations Vagabond! You burned down the Marqius's keep! Now your movement will nearly always require two boots for you to get to any given opening for the rest of the game, and your ability to score points has dropped dramatically! You also just acquired yourself a mortal enemy, and you likely will not be winning the game!"
@ViolosD2 A mortal enemy who can easily convince the rest of the table to leave them alone since they can't win anymore and they'd spend their turn policing the biggest perceived threat.
The gardens bloom in spite of flame, truly proof of the new recruit being chosen by the great dragon. Also remember: if vagabond is in your game, killing it is more important than winning.
@@vareriapastushenko4433 Coalitions are the most OP ability in the game. The moles are the most OP non VB faction. Them together sucks every droplet of fun out of the game.
While I have not personally witnessed the horror of Jimmy’s coalition strat, I have heard tales. Dark, scary ghost stories that could scare even the bravest woodland denizens. Great guide as always.
I only realized now that the "NPC Escort Quest" joke makes no sense, since the "slower" and "faster" are swapped around This distracted me long enough for the VB to get two hammers and tea and start teabagging my cardboard
Jokes about the Ronin aside, I always like the bit people forget about his ability: sure, it's better to just attack again on offense, but it works on defense, too. It's not that often, but every once in awhile having someone come at me and then they wind up having their own buildings trashed because of it is quite fun.
Okay the cream of the crop parody is possibly the best thing I've seen on youtube in over a year. I love this you have a real talent for making entertaining AND informative videos!
The bonus of these videos is all the role play fuel it gives me for the Root RPG. On a side note, can I humbly request a Lizard guide next? The faction I most want to see win, and yet rarely seems competitive. I must know the *secrets*.
Now that I have access to the community tab, I might put up a poll as to whether people want me to complete the base 4 first. Lizards are def in the top 3 picks for the next video though.
@@Nevakanezah_ I should have said I'd love to see it soon, as I'm sure most will want the Woodland Alliance next. If you get a good Lizard game, a commentary on it would be awesome too. We love watching the gameplays!
@@Stormflite I've developed a habit of forgetting to record when i have good games, but I'm trying to get more gameplay vids to work with. There's one coming this friday already.
22:04 I don't think this works anymore. There's an errata that states, "Whenever you move to an adjacent clearing, you may also force warriors of one Allied faction to move from your origin clearing to your destination clearing.” (Notably, this changes a ruling from previous printings: the Vagabond no longer triggers Outrage for the Woodland Alliance when moving Alliance warriors, because the Force keyword specifies that you treat the action as if the forced player performed it.)"
This is indeed correct; I made the mistake of only checking outrage when preparing that segment. I suppose it's still accurate if you got outpaced on an aid strat and coalitioned with WA though
Loved the intro bit, and the guide was amazing as always! Thank you for putting so much attention to the Keep-rushing it is insane some people will pick Vagabond in drafted Marquise games with the sole intention of doing this. I recently got to play as LOTH against a Vagabond that early annoyed me by taking 3 of the ruins, so I retaliated by taking the last ruin - which coincidently had the bag, and crafting the remaining two locking the Vagabond into 6 items for the rest of the game, and I felt really bad about it. It might have been the "smartest" play to completely lock out another opponent, but it really wasn't fun for him. I would subscribe twice if I could.
Vb-wl games live on the edge of a knife, its wild. With enough uses of rowdy, wl can actually get by on crafting all their own items if they want. WL-double vb games are absolutely cursed though
I’m not nearly as experienced as you are, this video is really awesome, but I’ve also found sound pretty good success with the quest strategy as the thief myself. If you can get your hands on another tea or 2, then you can exhaust all of your items every turn for some nice points without having to worry about slowing down, it’s pretty fun
I think the thief is really underrated. You can choose any of the winning strategies in this video based on the items you get from the ruins alone. My favorite is to get into an alliance with WA or Cats, steal a card and hand it right back. As long as you have boots to move, you can reliable get those easy vp every turn and use your other items to double dip into quests or even bother the ED if you have a crossbow and sword.
So I've only recently started playing root and I love it, mainly because of the vagabond. I don't particularly enjoy war games, but I adore rpgs. The vagabond let's me play as my one guy going on an adventure, while everyone else has to manage an army and recourses. It also helps that out of my three games I've played, I've one two and was literally the player that goes right before me won before my turn to win. Despite doing so well I've had some shit luck with this character. First game I couldn't craft anything so I just had to do quests, I could've fought but questing was always the better choice. 2nd game as the ranger, expecting to fight a lot more, I couldn't do any of my three quests and I got blown up twice, and sacrificed damage for quests and won again. Third game as tinker, I decided that since no one ever crafted shit I'd just do it myself, the problem came when I had every time, except for the swords and crossbows because players held them, or the discard pile got shuffled twice when it finally got discarded, or the rats stole the ruin one, and my three quests needed swords and crossbows. So I couldn't fight, I'd crafted pretty much everything, so I was left to start aiding, and I was two points away from winning when the damn badgers just gain 8 points, we killed everything they had, and they just built half their army back on their turn.
Coming in late, since I just recently started playing more of the game. I absolutely love playing Vagabond, specially with infamy strats. And I agree on not Keep rushing, it's just a dick move, though I do have an interesting story about it. In was in a game where I lucked out on first turn, finding a hamer with Ranger. I still had a move left, so I moved to the keep space to craft the bag I had in hand, and I told Cats that I was not gonna attack, only craft my bag. I did just that, but then he decided to move a lot of his forces to attack me during his turn, forgetting that I had a hammer and Hideout. In that single bad call, Cats completely lost the game turn one.
Late to the party here but I must say, this is a fantastic adaptation of one of the pivotal cultural moments of a generation: Randy Macho Man Savage's 1987 Prime Time Wrestling speech after losing the Inter=Continental Heavy Weight belt to Ricky the Dragon Steam Boat. We all cried that day and I'm sure each and everyone of us, who were there to witness, remembers where they were, what they were doing and the shock felt around the world.... the day it happened. Well done sir.
I'm proud to say I've never destroyed the Marquise's Keep during the first two rounds as any faction. I'm too empathetic to the utter PAIN of losing it so early on. After the first two rounds? That's totally on you for leaving it so lightly defended... (What with the many opportunities to rescue stray cats with Field Hospitals).
I’m in it for the long haul. It’s been worth it so far. I honestly thought you had stopped uploading so the day I got a notification that you’d made one for the woodland alliance I was ecstatic.
Favorite pieces of vagabond bullshit, tinker edition: any item card that the tinker draws can be crafted and then drawn again to craft the second copy of the item either on the same turn or the next. Any player that can be forced to discard cards (lizards, moles, eyrie, badgers) can be forced into giving up item cards they’ve been hoarding (turmoil the eyrie, blow up gardens or mole buildings), which can then be reclaimed from the discard pile. I’ve also had situations where players at the table will hold up how many cards they’re discarding at the end of their turn, and then discard them all stacked on top of each other to subtly hide what cards they are. In this case, the discard stack is public info, which means that you can just check what cards they are before ever using day labor. Did someone sabotage coffin makers? Day labor that shit and now the table is down a saboteurs card and coffin makers is back online. Someone crafted a card that you wanted? If you have saboteurs crafted, discard their card and then use day labor to draw it and craft it. Even if you don't have a saboteurs card at all, day labor saboteurs from the discard pile, craft it, use it next turn, and then day labor the card you wanted. Ambushes are now dangerous to use at all, since any ambush card discarded is literally just free for the taking, making the vagabond even harder to police. And trust me when I say you absolutely must craft swap meet or stand and deliver depending on the deck you’re using. Use it every turn to try and snag item or effect cards you want (or favor cards with the base deck). The moment someone sabotages it, just draw it and craft it again. They will hate you. Anyways, uh, the tinker is bullshit. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
You should check out Nitrorev's channel, if you havent already. He beat me to the marauder guides, though his do lean more toward the "how to play" angle than mine do
Had a Vagabond game (Ranger in base game, since that's what my friend owns) just the other day, where I managed the dreaded Coalition Strat. Activated the Coalition with the Woodland Alliance turn 3, then proceeded to destroy all sawmills and turmoil the Eyrie 3 times. Needless to say, I did _not_ get to share in the post-game cookies after that one...
Nah, coalition is heavenly! First you bully a faction to ashes hindering them. Then you make a coalition with them and just feed them 5 tons of cards. And when they win, they will hate you! :D
Hi, Can I ask a question? Is there any official rule of Root neft that Vagabond's tea only allows for 1 more exhausted item to be refreshed instead of 2 exhausted items?
Nothing official, no. Leder's pretty reluctant to release balance changes because you can't synchronize the community's ruleset in a physical game without forcing people to buy new rulebooks constantly
At 20:25 how are you scoring 3 pts and not 2? Does outrage trigger of the WA moves their own warriors on their turn or does it only trigger when the VB moves dome warriors on its turn?
Keep rushing is also just a generally bad strat for the VB too, unless they're playing Harrier. Going hostile with the Marquis early means that almost every space on the board requires two boots to move to, which is kinda crippling. It's definitely not as bad as losing your keep, but it's probably not the best strategy.
Thinker with no second vagabond or LOTH is ridiculous. Last game it got sent to the wood twice at the beginning, and still won scoring crazy infamy points. We need despot infamy as an official rule.
Hold on, that woodland alliance Interaktion cant be right can it? That would mean if im Playing the wa and I move a warrior onto a sympathetic clearing, I would have to Put one of my own handcards to my supporters?? Also of I dont have a matching card, I just make myself draw a supporter? What am I missing
8.2.6 Outrage. Whenever another player removes a sympathy token or moves any warriors into a sympathetic clearing, they must add one card matching... It wouldn't trigger for your warriors, but because the VB is moving warriors (yours) into a sympathy clearing, it counts as another player moving them. I'm not 100% certain, but this also might have been errata'd so that it's "enemy warriors" now, so maybe don't quote me on this still being possible.
Thank you so much for this video. In my opinion, the problem of Root its that its quite difficult to be in touch with updated law, changes and balancing factions. My law of root is from january 2021 (when I bought underground expansion) and i also have advance setup so i dont know if i am complety updated.
I cannot recommend root.seiyria.com enough. It's a fan-run site with Leder's blessings that has the most up-to-date versions of all the rules. Might lack some errata, but that stuff's just hard to track in general.
@@Nevakanezah_ true but it requires crafting pieces in 3 different suits which the vagabond can never do since their hammers can only be in one clearing at a time... hmm has the lost city changed this
I feel like I might be missing a rule or something because I don't see what's so bad about spending a night in the forest to repair. Especially with Slip, isn't it just costing you a boot at worst?
I'll run through a few items, in case i hit something you missed: * To get an evening's rest, you need to be in a forest at the start of evening * Slip occurs in birdsong, right after refresh * You can only enter a forest using your slip action, not boots * Thus, to get an evening's rest, you have to skip your entire daylight
I feel like it's harder to stop him than not. Stopping other factions often gets you at least something in return, while stopping the vagabond is more like picking out the trash. Every other player beside the vagabond need to cooperate and take turns taking out the trash, or noone will. perhaps
Could you make a Dominance Card guide. I (a cat player) am tired of people telling me to just use dominance cards without offering feedback on how that's remotely possible. Thank you. :)
Firstly: Do you mean a guide on how dom cards work, or a guide on how to win with dominance? Secondly: Despite what you've heard, dominance isn't really the strongest choice. With relatively little coordination, a table can reliably out-rule you often enough to make victory impossible. People see it doing well on digital because that coordination just doesn't happen. At the end of the day though, people can always take away your dom win condition, but they can never take away your victory points.
@@Nevakanezah_ I would like too see a guide on how to win with them, or at least why it's a bad idea to play with them. I agree it's not a good path to victory, but a lot of people seem to think it is. Whenever questions about winning with military factions appear on the forums, people recommend dominance cards. Especially for the Cats. Yet I have only been at one table where that worked, and it was a very inexperienced group. I'm not asking for a full, "git gud." but a shorter video like the vagabond tier list. No demands here, just a request for something I'd like to see.
oh my gods I never thought about that "no longer enemies" bit next time I play vagabond I'm going to hurt people >:3 (people not being the marquise keep I'm not that much of an ass)
Blame Jimmy start is not as toxic as destroying the cats in early? since you proc it early, ally with a scaling factions which is not necessary in a bad stop, and just force a 2 vs 1vs 1 game, seems extremely OP, kinda game disrrupt mechanic making game almost unwinnable for other 2 players.
I'd certainly say that coalitions are less toxic than keeprushing, yeah. I played up coalitions for both dramatic effect, as well as the truly weird game behaviour they incur. As for toxicity though - remember that coalition victories depend on the non-VB partner winning, so the other two players can actually shift some focus _away_ from the VB now that they're no longer an independent threat to win. I didn't include it in the video, but if you coalition with the corvids as soon as you hit 10vp, you will quickly find out just how badly someone can lose a 2v1v1.
The more practical reason not to keep rush is sure you've kneecapped one faction but now the other two are far more dangerous and empowered. Not good, vagabond wants everyone at each other's throats while he slips around getting tasks done. It's just like traitor games, the first person to betray always winds up getting burned for it. Only good time to keep rush is if the cats are getting way too powerful and you need to slow them down.
In online games with passive opponents, VB can get away with it because the other 2 factions never capitalize on the extra space or fight the VB. In competitive games though, it does have that exact destabilizing effect.
@@Nevakanezah_ I recently had a game against AI's where the moles nuked the cat's stronghold right away and had 15 points on turn 3 or so (I think it was) They lost in the end because everyone turned on them. I was playing vagabond and went full terrorism on them. The lizards targetted them for conversion every chance they got.
Everytime a vaga has rushed my keep theybl have never won cause then I can easily focus on them when they are weaker and just constantly send them to forest cause not like I'm gonna win most likely
Yeah, that's pretty much where it becomes a self-destructive approach on the part of the VB. That, and the fact that you'll have a lot more cardboard on the map if you just let cats build out a bit first.
I get that keep rushing is simply bad style. But I do wonder, if it is a valuable strategy that gives you wins it seems like I'm artificially handicapping myself in order to not exploit a flaw in the game design. Then again, if you keep rush you're immediately everyone's target I suppose.
Putting aside the inevitable vagaries of the large political aspects of Root strategy, you do end up with a few very concrete outcomes: - Cats are no longer going to be slowing down the other two players - If your attempt at the keep fails, you're now out of position with tons of cats around you - You still have to find the other ~27vp you need to win, and cats arent likely to be building much - Corollary to the above: You could grab ~3vp with a keeprush on turn 1, or let cats build out more and have significantly more VP to gain once they do.
about the not being an asshole point: I had a game in which i played Marquise and only got a sawmill destroyed first turn, but that ruined me for the rest of the game, i was too focused on keeping control of what little I had to be able to police, all while the player that attacked me turn one was mad at me for not policing the eyrie
Na i would never destroy Marquise de Cats Keep - at least not aslong as he is useful to me. The moment i discovered i can Crossbow the Keep i hate a evil grin on my face. God i love this game. Backstabbing is the best kind of stabing
If I'm playing cats and the vagabond destroys my keep first turn I'm not going to stay in the game. If it's an online game I'm definitely leaving. The game is not going to be fun after that. I play board games to have fun, not to be held captive by an asshole for an hour.
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I can’t help but appreciate that the first two guides had thumbnails that look like propaganda for the faction in question, while the vagabond guide is a propaganda poster AGAINST the faction.
The secret is that i unironically love propaganda posters
I like how the current meta is that this lone wanderer in the woods goes exploring the creepy ruins, finds an ancient sword, and then immediately goes insane killing as many people as they possibly can. Sounds like a horror movie. The Vagabond is actually Jason.
Love the bit about why Keep Rushing sucks. I would encourage every victim of it to not walk away but instead spend the game punishing the vagabond (or otters) who does this.
Yes make them feel the full wrath of your feline empire
I feel like appealing to the emotion of 'dont make your opponents sad' is sort of not the best way to go about convincing people away from keep rushing, cause that still puts into people's heads that it's a viable way to win the game, and therefore they will seek out doing that if they are more results oriented.
Keep Rushing is 9/10 times a losing play anyway, and I think would be a much more compelling argument.
"Congratulations Vagabond! You burned down the Marqius's keep! Now your movement will nearly always require two boots for you to get to any given opening for the rest of the game, and your ability to score points has dropped dramatically! You also just acquired yourself a mortal enemy, and you likely will not be winning the game!"
@@TomiixStarslasher A mortal enemy who has nothing left to lose and only the satisfaction to gain that he took you down with him.
@ViolosD2 A mortal enemy who can easily convince the rest of the table to leave them alone since they can't win anymore and they'd spend their turn policing the biggest perceived threat.
I was twice in such games as a bird...and won both..after the game i gave vag a beer for making my life simple
The gardens bloom in spite of flame, truly proof of the new recruit being chosen by the great dragon.
Also remember: if vagabond is in your game, killing it is more important than winning.
“This works best with the moles”
You can almost feel the pain of that statement drip through the screen
can you please explain why?
@@vareriapastushenko4433 Coalitions are the most OP ability in the game. The moles are the most OP non VB faction. Them together sucks every droplet of fun out of the game.
@@salt_factory7566thanks!!
I would say the vagabond went from the 200 IQ, playing all sides Mastermind, to ... welll ... being treated like an actual vagabond in medieval times
While I have not personally witnessed the horror of Jimmy’s coalition strat, I have heard tales. Dark, scary ghost stories that could scare even the bravest woodland denizens.
Great guide as always.
I only realized now that the "NPC Escort Quest" joke makes no sense, since the "slower" and "faster" are swapped around
This distracted me long enough for the VB to get two hammers and tea and start teabagging my cardboard
GODDAMNIT
Jokes about the Ronin aside, I always like the bit people forget about his ability: sure, it's better to just attack again on offense, but it works on defense, too. It's not that often, but every once in awhile having someone come at me and then they wind up having their own buildings trashed because of it is quite fun.
It does require you to have an unexhausted sword and enough tea so that it doesn’t matter next turn
This video is pure gem. Random note, a ranger, with a tea can do every single quest except the only one with coin. (Assume he gets items in ruin)
The ability to freely move items from track into bags (without exhausting) is not supported in digital right?
The ability to move from track to satchel is not in digital. In fact, that rule (9.2.5.III) is officially removed and will be struck.
That coalition part at the end was great
Okay the cream of the crop parody is possibly the best thing I've seen on youtube in over a year. I love this you have a real talent for making entertaining AND informative videos!
I destroyed my throat
I hate the vagabond but I enjoy your guides immensely so I still watched this.
The bonus of these videos is all the role play fuel it gives me for the Root RPG.
On a side note, can I humbly request a Lizard guide next? The faction I most want to see win, and yet rarely seems competitive. I must know the *secrets*.
Now that I have access to the community tab, I might put up a poll as to whether people want me to complete the base 4 first. Lizards are def in the top 3 picks for the next video though.
@@Nevakanezah_ I should have said I'd love to see it soon, as I'm sure most will want the Woodland Alliance next. If you get a good Lizard game, a commentary on it would be awesome too. We love watching the gameplays!
@@Stormflite I've developed a habit of forgetting to record when i have good games, but I'm trying to get more gameplay vids to work with. There's one coming this friday already.
22:04 I don't think this works anymore. There's an errata that states, "Whenever you move to an adjacent clearing, you may also force warriors of one Allied faction to move from your origin clearing to your destination clearing.” (Notably, this changes a ruling from previous printings: the Vagabond no longer triggers Outrage for the Woodland Alliance when moving Alliance warriors, because the Force keyword specifies that you treat the action as if the forced player performed it.)"
This is indeed correct; I made the mistake of only checking outrage when preparing that segment. I suppose it's still accurate if you got outpaced on an aid strat and coalitioned with WA though
Incredible macho man intro lmao
Been looking forward to this one, and it delivered! I laughed every time the Harrier faded in and out of the background.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I definitely request Alliance and Lizards. They're my favorite factions.
I certainly intend to. WA will probably be next, to round out the base factions
I was crying during the intro dude. AMAZING!
The head shakes killed me in the intro
Loved the intro bit, and the guide was amazing as always!
Thank you for putting so much attention to the Keep-rushing it is insane some people will pick Vagabond in drafted Marquise games with the sole intention of doing this. I recently got to play as LOTH against a Vagabond that early annoyed me by taking 3 of the ruins, so I retaliated by taking the last ruin - which coincidently had the bag, and crafting the remaining two locking the Vagabond into 6 items for the rest of the game, and I felt really bad about it. It might have been the "smartest" play to completely lock out another opponent, but it really wasn't fun for him.
I would subscribe twice if I could.
Vb-wl games live on the edge of a knife, its wild. With enough uses of rowdy, wl can actually get by on crafting all their own items if they want.
WL-double vb games are absolutely cursed though
The fact WL and double VB are legal game-wise seems criminal to me.
@@A_Beech_Boi I consider myself a connoisseur of things that aren't illegal, but should be.
I’m not nearly as experienced as you are, this video is really awesome, but I’ve also found sound pretty good success with the quest strategy as the thief myself. If you can get your hands on another tea or 2, then you can exhaust all of your items every turn for some nice points without having to worry about slowing down, it’s pretty fun
I think the thief is really underrated. You can choose any of the winning strategies in this video based on the items you get from the ruins alone. My favorite is to get into an alliance with WA or Cats, steal a card and hand it right back. As long as you have boots to move, you can reliable get those easy vp every turn and use your other items to double dip into quests or even bother the ED if you have a crossbow and sword.
Nevakanezah strikes again with a great (advanced) Vagabond strategy guide. Thank you.
So I've only recently started playing root and I love it, mainly because of the vagabond. I don't particularly enjoy war games, but I adore rpgs. The vagabond let's me play as my one guy going on an adventure, while everyone else has to manage an army and recourses. It also helps that out of my three games I've played, I've one two and was literally the player that goes right before me won before my turn to win.
Despite doing so well I've had some shit luck with this character. First game I couldn't craft anything so I just had to do quests, I could've fought but questing was always the better choice. 2nd game as the ranger, expecting to fight a lot more, I couldn't do any of my three quests and I got blown up twice, and sacrificed damage for quests and won again.
Third game as tinker, I decided that since no one ever crafted shit I'd just do it myself, the problem came when I had every time, except for the swords and crossbows because players held them, or the discard pile got shuffled twice when it finally got discarded, or the rats stole the ruin one, and my three quests needed swords and crossbows. So I couldn't fight, I'd crafted pretty much everything, so I was left to start aiding, and I was two points away from winning when the damn badgers just gain 8 points, we killed everything they had, and they just built half their army back on their turn.
Coming in late, since I just recently started playing more of the game. I absolutely love playing Vagabond, specially with infamy strats. And I agree on not Keep rushing, it's just a dick move, though I do have an interesting story about it. In was in a game where I lucked out on first turn, finding a hamer with Ranger. I still had a move left, so I moved to the keep space to craft the bag I had in hand, and I told Cats that I was not gonna attack, only craft my bag. I did just that, but then he decided to move a lot of his forces to attack me during his turn, forgetting that I had a hammer and Hideout. In that single bad call, Cats completely lost the game turn one.
Late to the party here but I must say, this is a fantastic adaptation of one of the pivotal cultural moments of a generation: Randy Macho Man Savage's 1987 Prime Time Wrestling speech after losing the Inter=Continental Heavy Weight belt to Ricky the Dragon Steam Boat. We all cried that day and I'm sure each and everyone of us, who were there to witness, remembers where they were, what they were doing and the shock felt around the world.... the day it happened. Well done sir.
I'm proud to say I've never destroyed the Marquise's Keep during the first two rounds as any faction. I'm too empathetic to the utter PAIN of losing it so early on.
After the first two rounds? That's totally on you for leaving it so lightly defended... (What with the many opportunities to rescue stray cats with Field Hospitals).
I'm partial to leaving it for the first 3 turns, give or take. By turn 4 I know they have space to react in their turns, so it's fair game by then.
These videos are awesome, I’d love to see some for the rest of the factions
They're in progress, but i am slow.
I’m in it for the long haul. It’s been worth it so far. I honestly thought you had stopped uploading so the day I got a notification that you’d made one for the woodland alliance I was ecstatic.
Also, two questions: what is/ are your favorite faction/factions, and what do you think the next guide will be over?
Favorite pieces of vagabond bullshit, tinker edition: any item card that the tinker draws can be crafted and then drawn again to craft the second copy of the item either on the same turn or the next. Any player that can be forced to discard cards (lizards, moles, eyrie, badgers) can be forced into giving up item cards they’ve been hoarding (turmoil the eyrie, blow up gardens or mole buildings), which can then be reclaimed from the discard pile. I’ve also had situations where players at the table will hold up how many cards they’re discarding at the end of their turn, and then discard them all stacked on top of each other to subtly hide what cards they are. In this case, the discard stack is public info, which means that you can just check what cards they are before ever using day labor. Did someone sabotage coffin makers? Day labor that shit and now the table is down a saboteurs card and coffin makers is back online. Someone crafted a card that you wanted? If you have saboteurs crafted, discard their card and then use day labor to draw it and craft it. Even if you don't have a saboteurs card at all, day labor saboteurs from the discard pile, craft it, use it next turn, and then day labor the card you wanted. Ambushes are now dangerous to use at all, since any ambush card discarded is literally just free for the taking, making the vagabond even harder to police. And trust me when I say you absolutely must craft swap meet or stand and deliver depending on the deck you’re using. Use it every turn to try and snag item or effect cards you want (or favor cards with the base deck). The moment someone sabotages it, just draw it and craft it again. They will hate you. Anyways, uh, the tinker is bullshit. Thank you for coming to my TED talk
Preach on, beloved prophet.
@@Nevakanezah_ It shall be done, O wise one
8:07 Royal Claim, Soup Kitchens, and Tax Collector can’t be made by the vagabond either!
I *knew* i was forgetting something important in that section
@@Nevakanezah_ well, I don’t know, would the lost city let you craft multi-suited cards as vagabond?
@@andrewnewell1142 i believe so, but dont quote me on it
Pot of Greed + WoW popularity curve : we are brothers. We weren't just aware.
Some shitposts are eternal
fantastic guide video as always! I can't wait to see the WL guide
You should check out Nitrorev's channel, if you havent already. He beat me to the marauder guides, though his do lean more toward the "how to play" angle than mine do
Really really enjoyed the macho man impression at the start. This video appeala to me in a way I couldn't have possibly imagined
It has by far the worst analytics of any of my openings.
I regret nothing.
I really like the "don´t be an hole" part
Can’t wait for the WA video. Thanks for making quality content on such a niche topic, fire video 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Macho Man Randy Vagabond killed me 💀
Had a Vagabond game (Ranger in base game, since that's what my friend owns) just the other day, where I managed the dreaded Coalition Strat.
Activated the Coalition with the Woodland Alliance turn 3, then proceeded to destroy all sawmills and turmoil the Eyrie 3 times.
Needless to say, I did _not_ get to share in the post-game cookies after that one...
Nah, coalition is heavenly! First you bully a faction to ashes hindering them. Then you make a coalition with them and just feed them 5 tons of cards. And when they win, they will hate you! :D
Hi, Can I ask a question? Is there any official rule of Root neft that Vagabond's tea only allows for 1 more exhausted item to be refreshed instead of 2 exhausted items?
Nothing official, no. Leder's pretty reluctant to release balance changes because you can't synchronize the community's ruleset in a physical game without forcing people to buy new rulebooks constantly
This was fantastic, cant wait for upcoming videos!
At 20:25 how are you scoring 3 pts and not 2? Does outrage trigger of the WA moves their own warriors on their turn or does it only trigger when the VB moves dome warriors on its turn?
Refer to 18:09, item 3.2
If it makes you feel better, I totally picked up your reference to WrestleMania 5 and the Mega Powers
Keep rushing is also just a generally bad strat for the VB too, unless they're playing Harrier.
Going hostile with the Marquis early means that almost every space on the board requires two boots to move to, which is kinda crippling.
It's definitely not as bad as losing your keep, but it's probably not the best strategy.
Bro these vids are so good why doesn’t he have more subs?
The is the funniest video i've ever seen. Oh man, you are the best Nev.
Thinker with no second vagabond or LOTH is ridiculous. Last game it got sent to the wood twice at the beginning, and still won scoring crazy infamy points.
We need despot infamy as an official rule.
Papa Rabbit lives :')
Love the animations
They errata’d freely moving items in your satchel, and specifically mentioned how you can no longer get rid of swords
That's why I opened the statement with: "A fun trick you can try until Leder games patches it"
Hold on, that woodland alliance Interaktion cant be right can it? That would mean if im Playing the wa and I move a warrior onto a sympathetic clearing, I would have to Put one of my own handcards to my supporters?? Also of I dont have a matching card, I just make myself draw a supporter? What am I missing
8.2.6 Outrage. Whenever another player removes a sympathy token or moves any warriors into a sympathetic clearing, they must add one card matching...
It wouldn't trigger for your warriors, but because the VB is moving warriors (yours) into a sympathy clearing, it counts as another player moving them.
I'm not 100% certain, but this also might have been errata'd so that it's "enemy warriors" now, so maybe don't quote me on this still being possible.
Thank you so much for this video. In my opinion, the problem of Root its that its quite difficult to be in touch with updated law, changes and balancing factions. My law of root is from january 2021 (when I bought underground expansion) and i also have advance setup so i dont know if i am complety updated.
I cannot recommend root.seiyria.com enough. It's a fan-run site with Leder's blessings that has the most up-to-date versions of all the rules. Might lack some errata, but that stuff's just hard to track in general.
Love this channel
Thanks for the video
These videos are perfect!!!!
amazing video and memes
I love how crafting tax collectors is even mentioned as an option X'D
Half the fun of Root is ruining other people's strategies
@@Nevakanezah_ true but it requires crafting pieces in 3 different suits which the vagabond can never do since their hammers can only be in one clearing at a time... hmm has the lost city changed this
lizards suffer from the same restriction
Competition sucks. And you can’t afford lobbyists. Gold
What are your toughts on vaggabuddy?
PD: I love these videos
Is that a specific strat, or a pet name for the VB?
@@Nevakanezah_ A fan made patch for the unfair VB :D its on BGG.
I feel like I might be missing a rule or something because I don't see what's so bad about spending a night in the forest to repair. Especially with Slip, isn't it just costing you a boot at worst?
I'll run through a few items, in case i hit something you missed:
* To get an evening's rest, you need to be in a forest at the start of evening
* Slip occurs in birdsong, right after refresh
* You can only enter a forest using your slip action, not boots
* Thus, to get an evening's rest, you have to skip your entire daylight
Is the next faction on the list the alliance, or are we skipping it because, as the eyrie guide said, it make all the decisions for you?
It'll be WA, to round out the base game set. After that, I think all bets'll be off.
I feel like it's harder to stop him than not.
Stopping other factions often gets you at least something in return, while stopping the vagabond is more like picking out the trash.
Every other player beside the vagabond need to cooperate and take turns taking out the trash, or noone will.
perhaps
Honestly we should just keep rush so leader games can finally just make the keep invincible
very helpful thnks
Could you make a Dominance Card guide. I (a cat player) am tired of people telling me to just use dominance cards without offering feedback on how that's remotely possible. Thank you. :)
Firstly: Do you mean a guide on how dom cards work, or a guide on how to win with dominance?
Secondly: Despite what you've heard, dominance isn't really the strongest choice. With relatively little coordination, a table can reliably out-rule you often enough to make victory impossible. People see it doing well on digital because that coordination just doesn't happen. At the end of the day though, people can always take away your dom win condition, but they can never take away your victory points.
@@Nevakanezah_ I would like too see a guide on how to win with them, or at least why it's a bad idea to play with them. I agree it's not a good path to victory, but a lot of people seem to think it is. Whenever questions about winning with military factions appear on the forums, people recommend dominance cards. Especially for the Cats. Yet I have only been at one table where that worked, and it was a very inexperienced group.
I'm not asking for a full, "git gud." but a shorter video like the vagabond tier list.
No demands here, just a request for something I'd like to see.
@@griffinhoffman6746 Thats a solid recommendation, ngl. Ill add it to the list.
I'm also excited about the idea of achieving a win through a dominance card. Would love to see strategies for this as well.
And so the Courier who had cheater death, had cheated death again and the Mojave wasteland was forever changed!
oh my gods I never thought about that "no longer enemies" bit next time I play vagabond I'm going to hurt people >:3
(people not being the marquise keep I'm not that much of an ass)
you need more views!
The trick at 16:00 was indeed removed
nice soup.
vagabond is too OP lol ranger is my favorite
8:50, isn’t revolt/bomb not effected against the vagabond
That was the case in older printings. Currently, any effect that removes "all pieces in clearing" will deal an automatic 3 hits to the vagabond.
Blame Jimmy start is not as toxic as destroying the cats in early? since you proc it early, ally with a scaling factions which is not necessary in a bad stop, and just force a 2 vs 1vs 1 game, seems extremely OP, kinda game disrrupt mechanic making game almost unwinnable for other 2 players.
I'd certainly say that coalitions are less toxic than keeprushing, yeah. I played up coalitions for both dramatic effect, as well as the truly weird game behaviour they incur.
As for toxicity though - remember that coalition victories depend on the non-VB partner winning, so the other two players can actually shift some focus _away_ from the VB now that they're no longer an independent threat to win.
I didn't include it in the video, but if you coalition with the corvids as soon as you hit 10vp, you will quickly find out just how badly someone can lose a 2v1v1.
As a bird player most of the time...i always smash vagabond first just to be safe ...lol
We do not speak of coalitions....
Imiss a section about vagabond vs vagabond like, how to counter vagabond as second in turn vagabond, like best vagabond to destroy other vagabond
In short: battle the other vb early, hopefully forcing a forest turn so their scoring pace falls behind yours
The more practical reason not to keep rush is sure you've kneecapped one faction but now the other two are far more dangerous and empowered. Not good, vagabond wants everyone at each other's throats while he slips around getting tasks done.
It's just like traitor games, the first person to betray always winds up getting burned for it.
Only good time to keep rush is if the cats are getting way too powerful and you need to slow them down.
In online games with passive opponents, VB can get away with it because the other 2 factions never capitalize on the extra space or fight the VB. In competitive games though, it does have that exact destabilizing effect.
@@Nevakanezah_ I recently had a game against AI's where the moles nuked the cat's stronghold right away and had 15 points on turn 3 or so (I think it was)
They lost in the end because everyone turned on them. I was playing vagabond and went full terrorism on them. The lizards targetted them for conversion every chance they got.
Everytime a vaga has rushed my keep theybl have never won cause then I can easily focus on them when they are weaker and just constantly send them to forest cause not like I'm gonna win most likely
Yeah, that's pretty much where it becomes a self-destructive approach on the part of the VB.
That, and the fact that you'll have a lot more cardboard on the map if you just let cats build out a bit first.
I get that keep rushing is simply bad style. But I do wonder, if it is a valuable strategy that gives you wins it seems like I'm artificially handicapping myself in order to not exploit a flaw in the game design.
Then again, if you keep rush you're immediately everyone's target I suppose.
Putting aside the inevitable vagaries of the large political aspects of Root strategy, you do end up with a few very concrete outcomes:
- Cats are no longer going to be slowing down the other two players
- If your attempt at the keep fails, you're now out of position with tons of cats around you
- You still have to find the other ~27vp you need to win, and cats arent likely to be building much
- Corollary to the above: You could grab ~3vp with a keeprush on turn 1, or let cats build out more and have significantly more VP to gain once they do.
about the not being an asshole point:
I had a game in which i played Marquise and only got a sawmill destroyed first turn, but that ruined me for the rest of the game, i was too focused on keeping control of what little I had to be able to police, all while the player that attacked me turn one was mad at me for not policing the eyrie
Who could have foreseen this TRAGIC and MYSTERIOUS outcome??!
Na i would never destroy Marquise de Cats Keep - at least not aslong as he is useful to me. The moment i discovered i can Crossbow the Keep i hate a evil grin on my face. God i love this game. Backstabbing is the best kind of stabing
"What do you MEAN he shot our castle to death? I thought we built it out of rocks!"
I thought you could only coalition with the player withe the lowest amount of victory points.
That's correct, but there's no other restrictions. Often, turn order alone can give you ample chance to go for it.
Keep Rushing, ya hate to see it.
If I'm playing cats and the vagabond destroys my keep first turn I'm not going to stay in the game. If it's an online game I'm definitely leaving. The game is not going to be fun after that. I play board games to have fun, not to be held captive by an asshole for an hour.
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