Honestly after seeing this, it’s even more the reason to buy the HyTorc. The convenience is a no brainer. If I own a $300,000 dollar car, a $5k tool is nothing. Especially if I’m wrenching on my car alone, which is pretty much always.
It’s the $5,000 Hytorc tool vs. the $1,166 XL Sonic torque wrench that is a non-zero cost too. So really for only 4x the cost you could get a tool and eliminate the need for a 2nd person and save a good chunk of time, seems pretty reasonable
Exactly. And especially if you’re at track events swapping wheels / tires, or frequently removing these in a shop environment-it’s even more advantageous.
Thx bro. A beautiful video and a stunning Porsche! But two important things to bring up: 1. With a torque wrench you only use it for tightening (and not for opening, it destroys the torque wrench) 2. Closing with a torque wrench is downwards (not from the bottom up). I personally prefer with a torque wrench, good sport for the muscles Lol.
Seems to me it's not as much about the time savings but the fact you can do it by yourself and know that it's done right without as much risk to mess up something, or accidently hitting something on the car. For those paying cash for their Porsche, they will probably get this; for those on the 72 month finance plan, probably not hah
Forget the time and efford, the Hytorc is worth it just to minimize the risk of damage pulling on a 5ft long torque wrench with all your might. There's a lot that can go wrong and one dented fender or cracked mirror isn't worth saving the money vs the hytorc.
Matt can add some extra time to the torque wrench method if he were to do it correctly. Torque wrenches are not designed for loosening fasteners, so he should be using a (long) breaker bar for that part of the process. This might add another minute or two to the process 🙂
@@ObsessedGarage Its your torque wrench, so it is your choice to use it however you like. I was just hoping to pass along the information that even Sonic has warnings against using their torque wrenches for loosening fasteners.
Why can’t you loosen the center lock then lift the car and finish removing once tire is off the ground? That’s what you would do for conventional lugs if you didn’t have an impact. Would save the need for the second person.
@@jack073 firstly, you can still spin the wheel sometimes if youre breaking them loose on the ground. removing/fitting wheel on the ground can damage the centerlock/wheel will not be seated/installed properly. you will not nearly have enough weight on the ground to properly seat/torque the centerlock
The Hytorc is an amazing product however I could not justify the price on a single-use tool. Money goals: one day it would be nice to have $5k as pocket change. Instead I went for a Precision Instruments 3/4 torque wrench/breaker bar combo with adapter for about $500. I’m 200 lbs. and average-ish strength and have no issues whatsoever removing or installing. I’ve had 130 lb. people also remove/install with no issues. Additionally, I can use that breaker/torque wrench on a 1 ton truck and 8 lug trailer axles used to tow the 911 to make easy work of those lug nuts. The rear wheels are super easy with the parking brake on. For the front you can have the engine running and use a tool or block to apply brake pedal pressure. I find this method quicker than working on a 5 lug car even with removing and reapplying the Castrol grease. Rennlist and RUclipsrs had me concerned with buying a centerlock car and being able to wrench on it myself. Apparently none of them have any done even a moderate amount of wrenching as I’ve had to exert much more strength and patience to work on 8 lug trucks, crankshaft pulleys for heads/cam work, etc. Again, the Hytorc is a fantastic product but I was pleasantly surprised at how easy and quick it is to use a quality 3/4 tq wrench/breaker.
Good video, thank you. You often speak of the "user experience" using a tool or product and how satisfying it can be. I think using the Hytorc would add to the overall "out in the garage working" experience in a positive manner. Sometimes hard to put a $$$ value on that... And holy cow, you pulling up on the torque wrench to remove the wheel, that's an accident waiting to happen (damage the mirror or car like you said). Or worse yet, something goes haywire and it hits you in the face. On a separate note, how's it going with procuring the Mirka 3" polisher? 🤞
Is it important to you to have this? is it something you can afford? Is yes the answer to both questions? If it is, then you should buy it because "it is freaking cool!" Sorry for the President Slick Willy analogy using "is".
Recent 991.1 GTS owner - Any observations or comments on the RennTorq multiplier tool as this reduces the effort? $5k is a lot for a 'typical' Porsche owner based on the number of times one will remove wheels; let me know.
Just curious can’t you loosen with the tyre still not lifted up instead of having someone on the brakes like a normal front tyre change then lift and finish loosening?
Dude I was going to trade cars just because of the idiotic center lock, I love working on my cars but this center lock to me a sunday driver 2023 gts cab is ridiculous. I will buy one the question I have are you using stock center locks? or do you have to replace the center locks and if so is it covered under warranty and how much are they?
It's not just a time thing but a convenience and strength issue. Most people who can afford a car like that are middle aged and may not be as strong as you and the extra 3 grand or so wouldn't be as big a stretch. I don't need an impact for working on my normal car at home but damn it's nice to have and the 300 that cost me would be like you dropping 3 grand with our differences in income. Certainly worth it to me.
This would take me 2 weeks or more to schedule a time with my wife when she could help, if I'm lucky. From there it would probably take me an hour to do all 4 wheels off, then schedule with the wife again for a spot a few weeks in the future for another hour with the torque wrench. Or I guess I would maybe use the steering wheel lock functionality coupled with a 2x4 and protective rags for the seat to hold the brake? There is no way it would make sense for me to wait for my wife. So no scheduling, but still about an hour for all 4 off then an hour for all 4 back on. Versus maybe 15 minutes for all 4 off then 15 minutes for all 4 on with the Hytorc if I had to guess. I work very slowly... That assumes I could figure out some way to do it with the torque wrench without a helper. No comment on the value of time or the Hytorc for my scenario, but I do think the difference in time and stress and hassle for me would be WAY bigger than what this video seemed to show. Cheers, and staying tuned for more crazy.
So, you need to settle an argument for me. Some guy on the Net saying you get an upgrade brake pack with reverse threads on the right side of the car. Any truth in it??
You've gotta add the time to go get someone 2x, as they wouldnt sit in the car the entire time you are in there. You'd send your wife back to whatever she was doing while you did what you had to do with the wheel off. Then when its time to get the wheel back on, you've gotta go get her again!
But we all don't run a business where we can afford a $5000 tool for the one time I need it once a year. Plus we didn't get a deal on it for promoting it. Wink!
@@ObsessedGarage With a couple of Porsches, of course I can, but I do not throw my money away. I am frugal. How do you think I can afford them on a tech's salary. Then I would need to get that tool calibrated now and then. I just use a Precision Instruments torque wrench. If you bought a split-beam torque wrench, you set it and leave it there instead of needing to spin that handle on your torque wrench.
Would be interesting to get a timer for when you open the gun case and battery is empty. Anyway, that's an expensive tools, but some people time is worth more than others. Pick your poison.
This is ridiculous Porsche and Porsche of America could offer this gun and by selling more units easily reduce the price down somewhere around two grand in my opinion … if all you Porsche gents complain enough on Facebook and other media it just might happen…
@@ObsessedGarage Well then that set-up is totally different than the video you showed over a year ago where the designer of the tool was with you. That set-up is similar to the RENNTORQ tool except it uses a power driver.
You are huffing and puffing like I was before my baby heart attack - your more interested in your business and your obsessions than your body - like I was -/ seriously --
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Honestly after seeing this, it’s even more the reason to buy the HyTorc. The convenience is a no brainer. If I own a $300,000 dollar car, a $5k tool is nothing. Especially if I’m wrenching on my car alone, which is pretty much always.
I got anti-seize paste on me just watching the video.
You haven’t lived til you’ve cut a seized centerlock nut off
It’s the $5,000 Hytorc tool vs. the $1,166 XL Sonic torque wrench that is a non-zero cost too. So really for only 4x the cost you could get a tool and eliminate the need for a 2nd person and save a good chunk of time, seems pretty reasonable
Exactly. And especially if you’re at track events swapping wheels / tires, or frequently removing these in a shop environment-it’s even more advantageous.
@@kellinpatlerthe percentage of people who will actually track their vehicle is very small
@@555fourthstreet8 But for those that do...
No blue collar shop is buying a $5k torque gun. These silver spoon millionaires got you guys fooled.
@@timkinley1779 for the maybe 2-3 people here in this group?
Thx bro. A beautiful video and a stunning Porsche! But two important things to bring up: 1. With a torque wrench you only use it for tightening (and not for opening, it destroys the torque wrench) 2. Closing with a torque wrench is downwards (not from the bottom up). I personally prefer with a torque wrench, good sport for the muscles Lol.
Seems to me it's not as much about the time savings but the fact you can do it by yourself and know that it's done right without as much risk to mess up something, or accidently hitting something on the car. For those paying cash for their Porsche, they will probably get this; for those on the 72 month finance plan, probably not hah
Anti-seize without gloves!? You’re a brave man Mr. Moreman.
I tore ligaments in my back just watching you pull up on that wrench. Push down Matt! Also, I want a Hytorc now and I don't even have a Porsche.
Most of the time you can't apply enough force when pushing down. You have to pull upward.
Even as a BMW guy this is fun to watch 😊
I just bought one for my shop and it works awesome.
Forget the time and efford, the Hytorc is worth it just to minimize the risk of damage pulling on a 5ft long torque wrench with all your might. There's a lot that can go wrong and one dented fender or cracked mirror isn't worth saving the money vs the hytorc.
Try a 1-3 torque multiplier which makes it easy peasy!
Matt can add some extra time to the torque wrench method if he were to do it correctly. Torque wrenches are not designed for loosening fasteners, so he should be using a (long) breaker bar for that part of the process. This might add another minute or two to the process 🙂
if you have a left hand thread what would you use ?
@@valvemonky4734a dual direction torque wrench
It's perfectly fine doing it this way.
@@ObsessedGarage Its your torque wrench, so it is your choice to use it however you like. I was just hoping to pass along the information that even Sonic has warnings against using their torque wrenches for loosening fasteners.
Cringed when I seen him doing this, not the way to look after torque wrenches
Why can’t you loosen the center lock then lift the car and finish removing once tire is off the ground? That’s what you would do for conventional lugs if you didn’t have an impact. Would save the need for the second person.
According to Porsche that’s just how you’re supposed to do it. I’m sure someone more knowledgeable than me can explain why
@@jack073 firstly, you can still spin the wheel sometimes if youre breaking them loose on the ground. removing/fitting wheel on the ground can damage the centerlock/wheel will not be seated/installed properly. you will not nearly have enough weight on the ground to properly seat/torque the centerlock
Porsche specifies that the wheels must be torqued in the air.
Hello, what is the model/part number for that torque wrench.
Now, see if you can do it with the big Milwaukee 1/2” impact & measure the torque after a couple ugga Duggas.
That's why I have a AAA membership to change my tire when I have a flat tire on my Porsche 997.2.
The Hytorc is an amazing product however I could not justify the price on a single-use tool. Money goals: one day it would be nice to have $5k as pocket change. Instead I went for a Precision Instruments 3/4 torque wrench/breaker bar combo with adapter for about $500. I’m 200 lbs. and average-ish strength and have no issues whatsoever removing or installing. I’ve had 130 lb. people also remove/install with no issues. Additionally, I can use that breaker/torque wrench on a 1 ton truck and 8 lug trailer axles used to tow the 911 to make easy work of those lug nuts. The rear wheels are super easy with the parking brake on. For the front you can have the engine running and use a tool or block to apply brake pedal pressure. I find this method quicker than working on a 5 lug car even with removing and reapplying the Castrol grease. Rennlist and RUclipsrs had me concerned with buying a centerlock car and being able to wrench on it myself. Apparently none of them have any done even a moderate amount of wrenching as I’ve had to exert much more strength and patience to work on 8 lug trucks, crankshaft pulleys for heads/cam work, etc. Again, the Hytorc is a fantastic product but I was pleasantly surprised at how easy and quick it is to use a quality 3/4 tq wrench/breaker.
Yeah, I had that same torque wrench for the first 8 years of my center lock cars. It’s still a great option.
Good video, thank you.
You often speak of the "user experience" using a tool or product and how satisfying it can be. I think using the Hytorc would add to the overall "out in the garage working" experience in a positive manner. Sometimes hard to put a $$$ value on that...
And holy cow, you pulling up on the torque wrench to remove the wheel, that's an accident waiting to happen (damage the mirror or car like you said). Or worse yet, something goes haywire and it hits you in the face.
On a separate note, how's it going with procuring the Mirka 3" polisher? 🤞
Question. I’m hearing that the Kranzle needs a special oil dip stick for pressure. Kranzle USA sells them Do I need this??
They come with it.
Hi Matt can you let us know what the grease that you use and before putting the center lock back?
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Is it important to you to have this? is it something you can afford? Is yes the answer to both questions? If it is, then you should buy it because "it is freaking cool!" Sorry for the President Slick Willy analogy using "is".
The window tint looks so good. What is it? What’s the VLT %?
I'm not sure what it is. I think it is 20% on sides and back and 50% front windshield.
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good test!!
Why wouldn't you leave the torque wrench set all the time?
Recent 991.1 GTS owner - Any observations or comments on the RennTorq multiplier tool as this reduces the effort? $5k is a lot for a 'typical' Porsche owner based on the number of times one will remove wheels; let me know.
You would still need a torque wrench with that tool. It doesn’t make much sense to me.
Just curious can’t you loosen with the tyre still not lifted up instead of having someone on the brakes like a normal front tyre change then lift and finish loosening?
No, it has to be done with the weight off the car.
I don’t think the time difference really matters here does it? Unless working as part of a pit crew or something
What's crazy is Porsche dealers don't even use these. Lol.
My dealer will not use them as they don’t like how torque is applied to the spoke of the wheel.
Dude I was going to trade cars just because of the idiotic center lock, I love working on my cars but this center lock to me a sunday driver 2023 gts cab is ridiculous. I will buy one the question I have are you using stock center locks? or do you have to replace the center locks and if so is it covered under warranty and how much are they?
Shouldn't be using the torque to loosen, Matty.
It's fine.
I’m curious why more Porsche dealers aren’t using a tool like this. With all the other speciality tools, why isn’t this one of them?
Where can I buy this?? I work at Porsche and we don’t even use that in trying to get my boss to buy it
www.obsessedgarage.com/products/hytorc-center-lock-torque-gun?_pos=1&_sid=69c83f4a9&_ss=r
It's not just a time thing but a convenience and strength issue. Most people who can afford a car like that are middle aged and may not be as strong as you and the extra 3 grand or so wouldn't be as big a stretch. I don't need an impact for working on my normal car at home but damn it's nice to have and the 300 that cost me would be like you dropping 3 grand with our differences in income. Certainly worth it to me.
This would take me 2 weeks or more to schedule a time with my wife when she could help, if I'm lucky. From there it would probably take me an hour to do all 4 wheels off, then schedule with the wife again for a spot a few weeks in the future for another hour with the torque wrench. Or I guess I would maybe use the steering wheel lock functionality coupled with a 2x4 and protective rags for the seat to hold the brake? There is no way it would make sense for me to wait for my wife. So no scheduling, but still about an hour for all 4 off then an hour for all 4 back on. Versus maybe 15 minutes for all 4 off then 15 minutes for all 4 on with the Hytorc if I had to guess. I work very slowly...
That assumes I could figure out some way to do it with the torque wrench without a helper.
No comment on the value of time or the Hytorc for my scenario, but I do think the difference in time and stress and hassle for me would be WAY bigger than what this video seemed to show.
Cheers, and staying tuned for more crazy.
So, you need to settle an argument for me. Some guy on the Net saying you get an upgrade brake pack with reverse threads on the right side of the car. Any truth in it??
What model is that torque wrench? I want one. Why? I dunno I just do
Sonic. www.obsessedgarage.com/products/sonic-two-way-torque-wrenches
When possible push your wrench instead of pulling it.
It's not in this case.
Is this an all-time Matty record???
Does this gun work on Lamborghini SV ?
It will at some point, but they haven't set up the software for it yet.
The minute i get myself a Porsche i would buy this. 😅
You've gotta add the time to go get someone 2x, as they wouldnt sit in the car the entire time you are in there. You'd send your wife back to whatever she was doing while you did what you had to do with the wheel off.
Then when its time to get the wheel back on, you've gotta go get her again!
I can only imagine the choice words my wife would say to me!
There isn’t anything better that will just bash that off in 2 seconds and put back on in a second like a lug nut
But we all don't run a business where we can afford a $5000 tool for the one time I need it once a year. Plus we didn't get a deal on it for promoting it. Wink!
If you can buy a $200,000 car, I think you could get one.
@@ObsessedGarage With a couple of Porsches, of course I can, but I do not throw my money away. I am frugal. How do you think I can afford them on a tech's salary. Then I would need to get that tool calibrated now and then. I just use a Precision Instruments torque wrench. If you bought a split-beam torque wrench, you set it and leave it there instead of needing to spin that handle on your torque wrench.
I’ll stick with the extra large torque wrench that comes with an assistant
Use your weight to your advantage push down don't lift up. It will be faster less work and less likely to injur your back
You cannot apply enough force pressing down to break the nut.
If I win trust me I won’t be changing any tires soon….so no even the torque wrench would be need it…
Oh heck no I got anti-seize paste in spots where I don’t want anti-seize paste💧🎤
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Would be interesting to get a timer for when you open the gun case and battery is empty. Anyway, that's an expensive tools, but some people time is worth more than others. Pick your poison.
Why would the battery be discharged? We are children here. Plan accordingly.
You didn’t go into the house to request an assistant. Is one not needed?
If you own a 300000 car, time is money. 13 minutes is probably worth more than 5000 😆. Then again, youre probably paying someone to do it anyway
The first half of your comment is correct.
I think a real man can do this faster!!! LOL 😂😂😂😂😅😅😅. Just kidding the right tool for the job always wins!!!🎉🎉🎉
Why $5k for a wrench that appears to be made in China? Wonder what the margins are for Hytorc. Must be making 4.5k a time 😂
You might want to do a little digging on what Hytorc is and what this tool actually is. Precision tools like this are insanely expensive.
This is ridiculous Porsche and Porsche of America could offer this gun and by selling more units easily reduce the price down somewhere around two grand in my opinion … if all you Porsche gents complain enough on Facebook and other media it just might happen…
Porsche doesn’t want you working on your own Porsche.. Why would they do that..?
@@gokartsRfun agreed…..but..
Plus with that $5000 tool, you need to use their special Centerlock nuts.
No, you use stock nut.
@@ObsessedGarage Well then that set-up is totally different than the video you showed over a year ago where the designer of the tool was with you. That set-up is similar to the RENNTORQ tool except it uses a power driver.
You need your heart checked - you should like myself before quadruple heart bypass surgery…
You are huffing and puffing like I was before my baby heart attack - your more interested in your business and your obsessions than your body - like I was -/ seriously --