When my dad would get me to play WoW, I remember being sad starting as a Blood Elf because there was this huge scar in the land that I had no context for. My dad would say "Oh, that was something that happened in Burning Crusade" and I would wander about feeling put out that I couldn't experience that, and I had no attachment to anything.
I'm not a wow lorehead, but I think the scar is from arthas walking in during the WC3-Frozen throne RTS. There was quests that talked about it, very lightly, but I thought they were more or less still in.
Guild Wars 2 is Buy to Play game which has the best Free trial mode allowing you do play to level cap and experience all core content for free as long as you want. When you decide to buy the Expansions you will get lvl 80 boost allowing you to skip the Leveling grind and jump directly to the fun end game content doing Open world to collecting hero points to unlock elite specializations or go doing Fractals Tier 1 or perhaps you want to raid? Tough you will have 650 Toughness so Bosses would agro you if Tank is using only 100 extra toughness to tank in Raids...
Someone commented, watching WoW players is like watching someone trying to give up smoking: "tomorrow, darlin', I'll start tomorrow... promiss". Even the biggest fan admits to monumental flaws in the game - yet they keep playing.
Definitely true on most accounts. The whining and bad-mouthing the game from the active player base came from the game's beginning. Horde v Alliance animosity and PvP dick-swinging contests lead to a toxic foundation that proliferated over to "gear = skill" mindset. The gear treadmill in WoW is absolutely bonkers tbh as well and it's mainly time-gated. so you have someone who put in the time since patch launch or w/e with gear that lets them do 2x the damage of a newbie by hitting the same buttons in the same order (or worse buttons in worse order).
@7:30 wow has actually lost so many players over the years it isn't still the top dog in town, ff14 has more subs and an amazing dev team who listens to their playerbase.
I never stick with games like wow because its just a numbers game. Even with OSRS, when you get to end game content, all you're going to be doing is repeating events hoping to get that item that has a 1/1000 or 1/10000 drop. They're a blast at the start while you're figuring them out, but the second I see the end game I am woke to them being pointless time sinks.
Unlike osrs, wows expansions make the previous content irrelevant, wows free trial is abysmal compared to osrs or ff14, wows story is super disjointed for new player and even existing players requiring to buy books to get the whole thing. The company itself is a dumpster fire, the raids are super buggy on release even though they have a ptr, its super pay to win its full of fomo.
Should I even add that books can contradict one another and game and people like Pyromancer went for years trying to create proper lore from info we have? And then there are better MMOs - I'm playing FF and ESO and can say that at least they give me courtesy of giving story and lore in game and I don't have to get materials on stuff about game somewhere else. I mean, yeah, there are expansive wikis about meta and story, FFXIV had a book supplement with extra lore, but it had nothing essential to the main story, and Elder Scrolls Lore is also quite expansive, but in both cases those are options for people looking for extras, not what they NEED to know.
@@OmegaEnvych Even the Guild Wars 2 which is releasin in steam and Arena Net has made an effort to remake the living season 1 which basically was lost content to give the new players more complete story 😆 which is super nice from them. Core Story -> Livilng Season 1 >- Living Season 2 -> Hearth of Thorns -> Living season 3 -> Path of Fire -> Living season 4 -> End of Dragons -> they said there will be 4th Expansions and I believe there will be living season 5 if there is not yet 😆 unless they chanced the name of that
@@OmegaEnvych the pest part about GW2 in my opinion is that Expansions have always included lvl 80 boost so you can skip the leveling process and go straight to the End Game Content 😁 Tough the thing he said about Raiding is mostly true. You can join Training groups and ask if they can help you and usually they will. They made new taps for Raids and Strikes with Experienced and Training. Tough you can see training groups with "Know Mechs" but I have also seen "W1 for everyone, heal, alac, quick, dps." and gone with that 😂 always nice when people are helping but the few bad experiences can ruin the whole thing 😥
@@xezzee Well, it sounds nice. Dunno how it will play though, considering that I'm in FF raiding as well (but sounds interesting enough to see different games taking similar approach). From what I see, no matter what game we're talking about, every single one will be better than WoW's approach to raiding. I mean, I can say same thing for FF as you for GW - there are many Free Companies (guilds/clans in FF) that provide help with getting static group, there is Party Finder for those who want to pug in raid, and for normal difficulty finding group is possible via Duty Finder. And getting to Endgame raiding in FF is super-easy - you just get high-level gear (which you either get from Savage raid or buy for gil from other players (crafted gear) or buy tomestone gear (gear bought from special vendors for currency you earn doing daily tasks, world quests (FATEs), reputation quests, normal raids etc.), find group and you're good to go. Well, it's good idea to at least watch guide at least once to have basic gist of what you're gonna experience there, if you're pugging for Savage. For normals you just go through auto-match - there will always be players that will join you in that content.
Damn, spitting 100% truth that it hurts to listen to, i've been actively playing WoW for almost 20 years by now but im currently moving back to Tibia that was my main MMORPG before WoW since it has been a dickmeasuring contest since basically achievements got added to the game.
while i dont watch any live, the amount of ex-wow streamer videos that show up and i watch them sometimes, tend to be filled with comments about how much happyier they seem now they're playing ff14 instead.
I really wanted to like WoW. I had a number of friends who played and they really enjoyed it. However: 1. The first couple of quests just felt grindy. Go kill some arbitrary number of this type of monster and come back. I get that they are trying to go over the game mechanics in a low-stress way, but this is a pretty bad tutorial, IMHO. 2. I get to what felt like the first "real" quest which was to go kill some named spider. My DPS was too low to really make an impact on it and, apparently even though I was near the the person who killed it, it doesn't count for me. In DDO, since everything is instanced, if someone near me kills something, I also get the kill (I have mostly solo'd for the 14 years I've been playing though, so it's moot anyway). On the other hand, when I played the now defunct Marvel Heroes, if you were close enough to whoever killed a mob, you got credit as well. WoW seems to take neither of these approaches and, since someone would invariably kill the spider before me, I was never able to complete the quest. This is a massive design issue, IMHO. 3. I was unable to move and attack at the same time. Neither of the games mentioned above had this issue. In DDO, I can run around like a scared chicken and lob magic missiles at enemies while I do it; or I can charge while swinging my sword and hit everything along the way. In Marvel, I could fly around and attack at the same time with Storm. I don't want to be rooted in place while I attack and it really eliminates strategy such as kiting. 4. They charge a subscription and for expansions. With DDO, you can play up to level cap without paying a dime and all content can be unlocked by using "real-money" currency earned through playing if you are patient enough (that said, I have 3 accounts and one of them is a subscription account, the other two do just fine without paying anything though). With Marvel, all quests were free and characters could be unlocked by earning "real-money" currency through game-play at, IMHO, a really generous speed. I don't want to be required to both pay for a subscription AND pay for expansions. 5. Other players seem to be much more rude than in DDO or Marvel. In fact, Marvel had the friendliest player-base I'd ever seen in any online game (including casual games). I also play Mech Warrior Online, but it's hard to compare it since the entire game is group play. You are immediately put onto a team for "quests" and there's no real story. Also, if you are still looking for game suggestions for videos, I'd recommend checking out MWO. I don't know if it's actually good, or if I just have fond memories of Mech Warrior 1 from back in the 1980s, but it's definitely different to many other games out there. The controls have a bit of a learning curve though.
Literaqlly all your complaints can be summed up into one answer. ITS AN MMO. YOU DONT LIKE MMOS!!!! Runescape is insanely old. People dont want games like RUnescape anymore, hence why they dont make them. Also, how the hell do you know what is going on at endgame, when you can barely get out of the starting zones?
No, WRONG. MMOs dont lead with their best features. Literally NO MMO DOES THAT. Liking RUnescape does not mean you like MMOs. That game is an extreme extreme outlier and does not reflect what an MMO game is.
When my dad would get me to play WoW, I remember being sad starting as a Blood Elf because there was this huge scar in the land that I had no context for. My dad would say "Oh, that was something that happened in Burning Crusade" and I would wander about feeling put out that I couldn't experience that, and I had no attachment to anything.
I'm not a wow lorehead, but I think the scar is from arthas walking in during the WC3-Frozen throne RTS. There was quests that talked about it, very lightly, but I thought they were more or less still in.
Guild Wars 2 is Buy to Play game which has the best Free trial mode allowing you do play to level cap and experience all core content for free as long as you want.
When you decide to buy the Expansions you will get lvl 80 boost allowing you to skip the Leveling grind and jump directly to the fun end game content doing Open world to collecting hero points to unlock elite specializations or go doing Fractals Tier 1 or perhaps you want to raid? Tough you will have 650 Toughness so Bosses would agro you if Tank is using only 100 extra toughness to tank in Raids...
Someone commented, watching WoW players is like watching someone trying to give up smoking: "tomorrow, darlin', I'll start tomorrow... promiss". Even the biggest fan admits to monumental flaws in the game - yet they keep playing.
Definitely true on most accounts. The whining and bad-mouthing the game from the active player base came from the game's beginning. Horde v Alliance animosity and PvP dick-swinging contests lead to a toxic foundation that proliferated over to "gear = skill" mindset. The gear treadmill in WoW is absolutely bonkers tbh as well and it's mainly time-gated. so you have someone who put in the time since patch launch or w/e with gear that lets them do 2x the damage of a newbie by hitting the same buttons in the same order (or worse buttons in worse order).
@7:30 wow has actually lost so many players over the years it isn't still the top dog in town, ff14 has more subs and an amazing dev team who listens to their playerbase.
I never stick with games like wow because its just a numbers game. Even with OSRS, when you get to end game content, all you're going to be doing is repeating events hoping to get that item that has a 1/1000 or 1/10000 drop.
They're a blast at the start while you're figuring them out, but the second I see the end game I am woke to them being pointless time sinks.
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Unlike osrs, wows expansions make the previous content irrelevant, wows free trial is abysmal compared to osrs or ff14, wows story is super disjointed for new player and even existing players requiring to buy books to get the whole thing. The company itself is a dumpster fire, the raids are super buggy on release even though they have a ptr, its super pay to win its full of fomo.
Should I even add that books can contradict one another and game and people like Pyromancer went for years trying to create proper lore from info we have?
And then there are better MMOs - I'm playing FF and ESO and can say that at least they give me courtesy of giving story and lore in game and I don't have to get materials on stuff about game somewhere else.
I mean, yeah, there are expansive wikis about meta and story, FFXIV had a book supplement with extra lore, but it had nothing essential to the main story, and Elder Scrolls Lore is also quite expansive, but in both cases those are options for people looking for extras, not what they NEED to know.
@@OmegaEnvych Even the Guild Wars 2 which is releasin in steam and Arena Net has made an effort to remake the living season 1 which basically was lost content to give the new players more complete story 😆 which is super nice from them.
Core Story -> Livilng Season 1 >- Living Season 2 -> Hearth of Thorns -> Living season 3 -> Path of Fire -> Living season 4 -> End of Dragons -> they said there will be 4th Expansions and I believe there will be living season 5 if there is not yet 😆 unless they chanced the name of that
@@xezzee That's nice. Makes me want to actually try it when it will finally come to Steam.
@@OmegaEnvych the pest part about GW2 in my opinion is that Expansions have always included lvl 80 boost so you can skip the leveling process and go straight to the End Game Content 😁
Tough the thing he said about Raiding is mostly true. You can join Training groups and ask if they can help you and usually they will. They made new taps for Raids and Strikes with Experienced and Training. Tough you can see training groups with "Know Mechs" but I have also seen "W1 for everyone, heal, alac, quick, dps." and gone with that 😂 always nice when people are helping but the few bad experiences can ruin the whole thing 😥
@@xezzee Well, it sounds nice. Dunno how it will play though, considering that I'm in FF raiding as well (but sounds interesting enough to see different games taking similar approach).
From what I see, no matter what game we're talking about, every single one will be better than WoW's approach to raiding.
I mean, I can say same thing for FF as you for GW - there are many Free Companies (guilds/clans in FF) that provide help with getting static group, there is Party Finder for those who want to pug in raid, and for normal difficulty finding group is possible via Duty Finder.
And getting to Endgame raiding in FF is super-easy - you just get high-level gear (which you either get from Savage raid or buy for gil from other players (crafted gear) or buy tomestone gear (gear bought from special vendors for currency you earn doing daily tasks, world quests (FATEs), reputation quests, normal raids etc.), find group and you're good to go. Well, it's good idea to at least watch guide at least once to have basic gist of what you're gonna experience there, if you're pugging for Savage. For normals you just go through auto-match - there will always be players that will join you in that content.
Damn, spitting 100% truth that it hurts to listen to, i've been actively playing WoW for almost 20 years by now but im currently moving back to Tibia that was my main MMORPG before WoW since it has been a dickmeasuring contest since basically achievements got added to the game.
while i dont watch any live, the amount of ex-wow streamer videos that show up and i watch them sometimes, tend to be filled with comments about how much happyier they seem now they're playing ff14 instead.
I really wanted to like WoW. I had a number of friends who played and they really enjoyed it. However:
1. The first couple of quests just felt grindy. Go kill some arbitrary number of this type of monster and come back. I get that they are trying to go over the game mechanics in a low-stress way, but this is a pretty bad tutorial, IMHO.
2. I get to what felt like the first "real" quest which was to go kill some named spider. My DPS was too low to really make an impact on it and, apparently even though I was near the the person who killed it, it doesn't count for me. In DDO, since everything is instanced, if someone near me kills something, I also get the kill (I have mostly solo'd for the 14 years I've been playing though, so it's moot anyway). On the other hand, when I played the now defunct Marvel Heroes, if you were close enough to whoever killed a mob, you got credit as well. WoW seems to take neither of these approaches and, since someone would invariably kill the spider before me, I was never able to complete the quest. This is a massive design issue, IMHO.
3. I was unable to move and attack at the same time. Neither of the games mentioned above had this issue. In DDO, I can run around like a scared chicken and lob magic missiles at enemies while I do it; or I can charge while swinging my sword and hit everything along the way. In Marvel, I could fly around and attack at the same time with Storm. I don't want to be rooted in place while I attack and it really eliminates strategy such as kiting.
4. They charge a subscription and for expansions. With DDO, you can play up to level cap without paying a dime and all content can be unlocked by using "real-money" currency earned through playing if you are patient enough (that said, I have 3 accounts and one of them is a subscription account, the other two do just fine without paying anything though). With Marvel, all quests were free and characters could be unlocked by earning "real-money" currency through game-play at, IMHO, a really generous speed. I don't want to be required to both pay for a subscription AND pay for expansions.
5. Other players seem to be much more rude than in DDO or Marvel. In fact, Marvel had the friendliest player-base I'd ever seen in any online game (including casual games).
I also play Mech Warrior Online, but it's hard to compare it since the entire game is group play. You are immediately put onto a team for "quests" and there's no real story. Also, if you are still looking for game suggestions for videos, I'd recommend checking out MWO. I don't know if it's actually good, or if I just have fond memories of Mech Warrior 1 from back in the 1980s, but it's definitely different to many other games out there. The controls have a bit of a learning curve though.
wow is for actual whales dude
Don't worry, you are already playing the best MMO in this video. No need for WoW.
You should try DC universe online.
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Literaqlly all your complaints can be summed up into one answer. ITS AN MMO. YOU DONT LIKE MMOS!!!! Runescape is insanely old. People dont want games like RUnescape anymore, hence why they dont make them. Also, how the hell do you know what is going on at endgame, when you can barely get out of the starting zones?
No, WRONG. MMOs dont lead with their best features. Literally NO MMO DOES THAT. Liking RUnescape does not mean you like MMOs. That game is an extreme extreme outlier and does not reflect what an MMO game is.