hurricane hit the east coast just a few months ago. a buddy lost his cable internet, and cell tower, but has starlink on his travel trailer. it took 1 month to get cell tower coverage back and a few weeks more to get back his cable internet. but he was able to use his starlink off his travel trailer the whole time.
Also the same for 5g on most of earth... As having dense 5G is really expsnive to do and only worth it in some places... Also given the limitian of 5g even in the most 5g dense areas you'll ghave deadzones even if it's crazy how good 5g is now... So the deadzones I get in Jax florida is any room with out a wall on the cloest side to the 5g towers... but on roads with 5G you always have it... So yeah you would never ever beable to us 5G outside a major rich high tech non coruot city... Just not going to happen...
In terms of a backup connection, one thing to consider is where the 5G tower is getting ITS connection from. In many small towns, the same underlying fibre supplies all of the local internet providers, and if that goes down, you lose everything. I've experienced this twice in the last few years when some dingus with a backhoe 200 miles away dug in the wrong spot. Starlink (or other Satellite Internet providers) provides extra resilience in that instance.
Agreed, plus the other "traffic." My sister recently rode out a CAT3 hurricane at my parents house. They lost cable internet and she said the LTE network was so swamped, it was unusable. Plenty of bars, just no data was moving. My use case will be similar, I think Starlink is the only option.
500 Mbit/s definitely isn't an upper limit for the 5G. This is my primary (and the only) home internet connection, and the speed test usually shows 1.2 Gbit/s without any external antennas. As you might imagine, I see the tower through the window.
You're right as I'm not too far from the T-Mobile tower in my area using it as my home internet, and I've seen burst speeds as high as 1.4 Gbps doing speed test with my Pixel 8a phone using a stock Sagemcom gateway pointed out my window with dialed in metrics, and average speeds between 400 Mbps to 850 Mbps down /50 Mbps to 150Mbps up with sub 40ms pings. So for me, it's a much better service for the money than Breezeline cable that's in my area.
Wow. I can get about 300Mbps outside but I built my house too well. It's effectively a faraday cage and, even standing near the window, I can't even make a voice call without switching to wi-fi over fixed line.
I have a trucking company and I use a Verizon wireless router (CSG). 80% of the time it's ok. before watching this I was highly considering Starlink if the price came down. believe it or not, I have most problems in major cities. I'm assuming because this router is only 4GLTE I do basic office work, the occasional video call and streaming. MOST times no issues. but at $49 a month for 300gb.. it's hard to go from that to Starlink. hoping they come out with a newer router that will close the gap on that other 20%
In Latvia LTE/5G unlimited plans cost like 10 EUR at Tele2, other operators have usually around 20 EUR. Also, 50 Mbps is enough for a 4K stream or about 4x 1080p streams, so a 50 Mbps speed on 4G/LTE is plenty enough for a small family. Also 4G/LTE isn't only 50 Mbps or less but it can go up to 400 Mbps if there are enough bands and you're located in a good spot.
And most spots are good. Except some cell towers only point 5G antennas in certain direction even though those tower send LTE signal in all directions.
Latency is as good as the quality of the connection and distance of the cell tower to the 5G/LTE modem, which can hover anywhere between 40 to 150ms in with excellent to good connection, 100-300 milliseconds with fair connection, and 200-1500 with poor connection. With Starlink, due to its low orbit satellites, 90% of the time (as long as the dish has a clear view of the sky) it hovers between 20-30 milliseconds - perfect for (normal, not competitive) online gaming.
You can also test with your phone if you can tether it or run a speedtest to see what it is in your area at various times of the week before looking at a home internet version.
@@tonysolar284 what? lol. Not sure what you mean by "same building". When I said competitive, I meant for gaming. Like don't try using either for ESports gaming or a Qualifying Game. However, for casual/normal online gaming, like an unranked COD match, then the StarLink will be fine.
I am all about resiliency. Starlink has everybody beat when your area has no power, no cell, no internet and you have some backup power. But T-Mobile is 2x the speed and 0.5x the price compared to Starlink. Cable internet from Cox where I live is super unreliable in my area which has old crappy coax cable in the ground. Both And is great if you have the cash.
Our setup is similar as we have cable home Internet with T-Mobile’s backup service, $15 a month. We use a third party 5G router with an external WaveForm 4x4 Mimo antenna as the cell tower is a few miles away and no line of sight, we get 700-800M down and around 30M up. We also have a Starlink mini for additional flexibility. We recently had a power outage that lasted 5 days, we have a generator and the T-mobile worked flawless.
Thanks Chris. You mentioned a customer that has their network set up so Zoom calls are routed via the cell network and everything else via Starlink. More info on that and how you set it up would make a great video.
This was good to know the info. I love the part about the rule to direct traffic to another WAM on your router. I was today years old now knowing this. Good stuff. I'm going to go tinker with this on my UDM SE. I have 2 ISP's.
I have been tethering my notebook computer to my cell phone, going back to the 3G days. These days, I have a 5G connection and lots of data available, more than I'm ever likely to use.
$30 a month in case your fibre goes down. Seems a bit expensive, how often does it go down and for how long. I haven't had an outtage (outside of early hours maintenance) in 4 years.
For some perhaps, but as a business owner, it's not nearly as expensive as what I pay for my Internet service. And having the ability to fail over to a backup Internet connection is worth it for me. Would it be worth it for the home user on Xfinity who will miss out on cat memes when the Internet goes down? Probably not.
It's cable, not fiber...and it's gone down once this year for almost a full work day (they were doing upgrades or something, so I knew about it ahead of time). So, T-Mobile came in clutch that day - but even without that, I consider it almost an insurance policy...just to have *something* in case of emergency. I run a business out of my home - if I'm offline, I'm losing productivity.
After Hurricane Helene took away my wired ISP for over a month, I added Verizon Home Internet for failover for only $35/mo and I also bought a Starlink Mini. That’s the best I can do.
@@MisterFastbucks Are you talking to me? I don't really need a backup as my Internet connection via cable is quite reliable. However, if needed, I can tether to my cell phone. I already have that configured in my pfSense firewall/router. All I have to do is plug in a USB cable between it and my phone.
Wow. You are really confident in your cable company's service. I envy you. An instant-failover redundant circuit is a silly idea. I'm embarrassed now that I even mentioned it. Obviously your system is much better.
@@MisterFastbucks Yes, they are quite reliable. The only interruption I can think of recently was a couple of weeks ago, when there was a planned outage to upgrade the equipment in my condo building. My Internet service was up & down throughout the day, but my cell service wasn't affected, so I could have tethered to it.
It can be unless you can find a good plan like I have now, but many plans out there have different definitions of "unlimited" also. There is a lot of variation throughout the country.
@@r000tbeer no, people in Europe pay their fair share via taxes and get it returned as services whereas in the US corporations use infrastructure paid for by the taxpayers and the corporations return oftentimes expensive service while funneling a lot of the money to overpaid CEOs.
I use Starlink in many locations as a main connection or backup. In Germany I have Vodafone Cable, but the quality is unfortunately not the best and Starlink runs here as a backup connection. In Sweden, I immediately installed Starlink as my parents' main connection, because in remote places the mobile phone coverage is very poor and Fibre or Cable are not available. In Ghana I have Fibre but there the quality is very poor and you have to book data packages that are more expensive than Starlink. Here I chose Starlink as the main connection and degraded Fibre with 60/60 as backup. All in all, I am very satisfied with Starlink and the quality of the connection has improved significantly lately.
Great video, good info. IMO Cell data speeds can vary wildly depending on location, back haul, band used etc. It would be interesting to see how the carriers compare.
I Live up in the mountain and use a beam antenna but have often a hickup , Q what is the required distance for LTE/5G for a tower, is this line of site?. I am just thinking to go for the big Starlink.
Rogue Support is for US-based customers primarily, but the only checks we do is a US-formatted DID when signing up. Pretty easy to get around...but then, our techs are also all US-based, so you'd also have to be willing to work within the US time zones.
Take a trip west of the Rockies foothills and you'll be lucky to find any cellular reception. Only place to find it will be on major interstate highways and within towns, which are spread far apart. Mountains tend to block all kinds of signals except for satellites directly overhead. I've tried Verizon's 5G system and it was almost worthless. 5G signals are not that prevalent and any type or reasonable speed tails off quickly once you get into rural areas.
The hardware isn't the expensive part - it's the monthly fee. But yes - I'm sure at this point, used Starlink dishes are abundant. Heck, I even have a Gen 1 (circular) dish up in my attic...happy to sell it to ya!
If your internet goes down few times a Yr like mine best BE getting a backup. Our rollover is SL bc inside our home 5g wanted us to rent a cell boaster for 230$ extra a month and other bs stuff. SL is fine as a backup we have it on pause mode and doesn't take long to unpause. Heard ppl with 5g in rv has issues and can cost a lot more and if you cross states etc, Check what you do is legal and will not be charged a ton. Same with Sl always check.
also here in hungary if I get good 4g signal, the speed ranges from 100-250mbits/s, so I dont know where in the hell you are gettings 5megabits on a 4g connection. pretty outdated data.
You think he went around the world doing speed tests on 4G connections and made a huge spreadsheet? No, he is basing his data on his own real world testing, where he lives, in the USA. Were you wanting him to make a video for each country so the data can be more accurate for you????????? LTE connection speed can vary for many reasons, network quality, number of users served, distance from tower etc etc. Congratulations on posting two of the most useless comments on the video.
Have a 5G tower really close and it works great except when there is a power outage. And we have those way too frequently so thinking about getting Starlink.
Coming from a country that is always in the top 5 most expensive countries to live in, I'm always perplexed about why the internet in the US is so expensive. Down here, 10Gb fibre internet costs about US$20/mo, and a 5G mobile plan with 100GB data is only US$7/mo. Outages are rare, but I still have a SIM in my router, just in case.
Its great old capitalism. Everything in the USA is about money. The more money you can make, the better and ISPs are no different. ISPs love to make as much money as they possibly can while spending the least amount possible all while receiving as much federal grants and subsidies as they can and not building out their infrastructure as much as they claimed they will. They will go to great and illegal lengths (at times) to make the most money they possibly can per customer. AT&T is our largest DSL provider in the USA. In a lot of parts, they've modernized to fiber to the home. But in many places, they will flat out refuse to upgrade their ancient copper wiring as it is extremely expensive for them so they will just abandon their wired infrastructure in those areas. And instead of upgrading to fiber, they will try to push people onto their 5G home internet service.
@@JacksonCampbell Agree. I think part of the issue is that all these companies have taken billions of tax payer dollars over the past decades for the sake of improving and installing infrastructure. If the money was used for that purpose, I wouldn't really have an issue with them.
@@JJFlores197 To be fair, I'm guessing most of it is. Upgrading the towers to 5G, expanding coverage, and buying spectrum has all been happening. Hopefully they use all the funds properly.
I use 5G. But only because of the monthly cost. I love my Starlink. But until they lower their monthly subscription lower to be competitive with 5G, I'll just keep it as a backup.
i had "5G" connection in my house when i moved in, turned out to be 4g because of poor connection to 5g so I got a starlink and my speed went up 20x with the downside of occasional dissconect when weather gets rough
I've seen as high as 1.4Gbps down during a Fast speed test on T-Mo in my area using my Pixel 8a connected to a stock Sagemcom gateway pointed out my window with average speeds of 400 Mbps - 850 Mbps down by 50 Mbps to 150 Mbps up with sub 40 ms pings, and it's much cheaper than the local cable company Breezeline.
Yep. I also wondered about how he was saying 5G LTE as though it was one service, rather than the two it refers to. Also, LTE was used in the early days of 4G, before it was fully implemented. That term was commonly used back in 2011 when I was working on the LTE rollout for a major Canadian carrier.
My T-mobile home internet 5G don't stay 300GB but it's where I Live the problem.... T-mobile home internet 5G is not bad I Like.... Starlin I want for my next place....
Unless you are boondocking the wrong way you won't have cell signal. Hands down starlink. Starlink is far too expensive and they keep jacking the price up so that's the one thing that can be said for cell signal.
Cable with 4G as backup is my thing and the 4G in my area has never let me down. I get between 40 and 50 Mbs download and that is enough for me. For ultra low bandwidth and emergency messaging I use LoRA. As for Starlink, it isnt stable enough for some of the things that I do and it is associated with Musk. Since my organization forbids business with Musk, Starlink in a nonstarter for me anyway.
Cellular isnt a completely reliable backup to a wired/fiber service. I have twice experienced extended, large area outages of my primary ISP, one in a big city and one in a small mountain town. Both times the cellular networks were immediately so overloaded that they were unusable. The first time, in the big city, i was without usable internet for a week. The second time my system failed over to Starlink and access continued without interruption. It will be interesting to see what happens in the next large scale outage now that many people have Starlink roaming service for camping. I expect many of those to be brought online, exhausting the bandwidth of the visible Starlink satellites. (Sorta a Starlink flash mob. 😊) Hopefully my Starlink residential service, which is at standard priority, will continue to perform acceptably since the roaming service is "deprioritized".
Who is the audience for this video? I don't think it is tech savvy people. No mention of upload speeds for starlink. Using terms like bandwidth caps instead of data caps.
My experience with 5g for small business, 5hey keep the bandwidth limit even after monthly renew, requiring you to call they simply lie using the comment the local tower is oversubscribed and give you sub 10mbs connections when they were offering 200+ mbs before , even if you renew weeks later they keep the bandwidth limit to the cellular device unless you play for there largest package. I’ve now opted to buying 30fps day contracts with multiple carriers and buying packages in bulk online , paying by prepay debit it’s been a real hassle, it’s not as if we’re using it for gaming or streaming services, just internet and mail sub 400gb a month well within the 500gb cap fair use . Things have gotten so bad I may go back to the air wifi 30mbs service
Since 5G is backwards compatible with LTE, I combine the two...it's 5G/LTE. Basically it means that you'll be on 5G when it's available and fail back to LTE when it's not...that's a pretty common way to view the tech.
@@CrosstalkSolutions The *PHONE* is backwards compatible, all the way back to 2G. 5G is, in some ways, an enhanced 4G, but there's a lot more than that to it. There is some cell site equipment that can handle both 4G & 6G.
Too bad Ubiquiti doesn't make an unlocked 5G modem. I use T-Mobile 5G as a backup as well would be nice to have it all integrated in Unifi along with my Ubiquiti cable modem. My T-Mobile speeds are almost faster than my cable internet definitely the uploads just much worse latency.
@7:55 LMAO. Speeds are wildly inconsistent with 5G and it depends from tower to tower, time of day, etc. If you only use that single tower and its oversubscribed, and ofcourse the usual congestion, you're shit out of luck. The effective 5G tower range is within few miles of the tower too, so you're not gonna get much help beyond that. With Starlink, the speed only has to factor in congestion and even then satellite can bounce between various ground stations and sats to mitigate that issue, so you're always gonna get the best thats available out of many different options.
I use both. I have 50 or so Verizon 5G deployed as failover. I have about 12 Starlinks. When 5G works, it’s easier to deploy in a commercial space bc it’s just plug and play. However, Starlink solves the problem when 5G is one or no bars. And these are both backups. We never us Starlink or 5G as a primary.
Starlink is LEO (Low Earth Orbit), and they're not geostationary. Other satellite solutions like Hughesnet are HEO (High Earth Orbit), and those ones are geostationary.
there is no point in thos comparison, if there is no fiber, dsl or hfc network where you live, there wont be 5g comparr a network in space to a network that most cities do not have yet is a waste of time
7:03 It's not 5G LTE. LTE is an upgrade to 4G. 5G is the next generation after 4G LTE. So 5G/LTE is correct referring to both, but listing it here as 5G LTE is incorrect.
I mean while a comparison is welcome... I just want to say I don't think anyone would hevery cross shope those two like in a way it's hard to describe... Kinda like getting a sprts car or a speed boat... But so much more unlikly.. Like pencile or pen but again even more unlikely... Like star link is for when you can't get that speed internet reliably any other way.. Hince why it's mostly used in remote areas by mobile people like camping, phsycal remorte work you know the old defnation why you go somewhere that is remotre to work there... And on watercchaft... tec.. But having a 5g cellur network conetion is so much rarer and only really useful as the defuelt new cellur network adter chip then it is for internet... Like the only reason to get 5G cellur internet is it's extremely cheap and has a no hassle set up escply if you always have a 5 g connection in your home/office... So yeah if you are considering Star link you have not much choice as Star link is by far the cheapest starlight internet avble for diact subscription aka not used as part of logistics... While 5g internet is just a niche preference thing if you live in a high 5 area and want cheap intenet...
I have decent cable. But like in florida. Hurricanes take out power so cable and cell towers lose power and are down. Thank starlink for turning on thier cell nodes last Hurricane. Our cell phones had no signal but texts started working mysteriously. Elon turned on the nodes for all carriers and we could let families up north know we're ok
I just spent 3 months working in the mountains 2 hours from any cell service installing new culverts designed for protection of fish habitats, camped in my trailer and Starlink was my only connection to the world, including "WiFi Calling" with my Telus connected Pixel 8P. Definitely the more flexible option. You can run into issues if you drive out there without setting your home location to where you are going before losing cell service though! Found that out the hard way. *I should mention my Starlink plan is the residential one requiring me to stay within my "home service area/cell", that is why my location on the service plan matters*
Been waiting for this for years yet yes still shit, the price of a phone or even brand band at home is 1/3rd of the price of this plus no where near as fast as broadband even my mobile phone is faster?? Yes my like my phone unlined £16 per month this on roaming it's £95 per month??? Lol at home £25 per month, yet again starlite £75 per month... this is another con of bullshit sorry but it is give me a shout when it's lower a lot lower
starlink is not an option for me, simply because elon is nuts. nuts enough to support the klump. i wanted a tesla, but that desire died a sudden and unexpected death when they screwed up the interior of the model S and X. now that elon supports the klump, i'm not gonna give him any money. no tesla, no powerwall, no starlink, no nothing. and yes, the american voters have proven that the majority of them are dumb enough and gullible enough to buy his ridiculous propaganda and MAGA BS. the world would be better off if harris had won.
Starlink/Musk is a hot political topic for sure, and in my original script, I actually addressed that a bit. But in the end, adding anything even remotely political to a video like this is just gonna piss people off, so I kept it completely out. I do encourage people to factor in their political leanings when they choose where to spend their money...it's a great way to support what you want to support. Starlink though is a game changing device in my niche...so the technology can't be ignored (for me).
Verizon. Hahahahaha what a joke. Worst phone service ever. I'll stick to my real cell service, T-Mobile. See? I can do it too...Verizon is absolutely horrendous in my area - T-Mobile was a vast improvement. Perhaps try stepping out of your own little world once in a while.
@@CrosstalkSolutions I agree this person needs to get out of their bubble, as I've been in areas where no matter who the cell service was they sucked, and I've been in areas where they were all great, and in my small hometown T-Mobile has the best speeds, and is the only option for 5G Home Internet right now for my side of town that can get it, but AT&T has the best overall coverage followed by Verizon. So it just depends on where you're at, & who had deployed the best towers in that area.
Web3 Infinity is the safest altcoin ever since its automatic algorithms stop paper hands, bot transactions, and bear markets. It will certainly reach $10 in no time.
hurricane hit the east coast just a few months ago. a buddy lost his cable internet, and cell tower, but has starlink on his travel trailer. it took 1 month to get cell tower coverage back and a few weeks more to get back his cable internet. but he was able to use his starlink off his travel trailer the whole time.
for the final experiment, starlink was the only option, because there are zero phone masts in antarctica.
Also the same for 5g on most of earth... As having dense 5G is really expsnive to do and only worth it in some places... Also given the limitian of 5g even in the most 5g dense areas you'll ghave deadzones even if it's crazy how good 5g is now... So the deadzones I get in Jax florida is any room with out a wall on the cloest side to the 5g towers... but on roads with 5G you always have it... So yeah you would never ever beable to us 5G outside a major rich high tech non coruot city... Just not going to happen...
They bounce signal off the bedrock no need for poles in Antarctica
In terms of a backup connection, one thing to consider is where the 5G tower is getting ITS connection from. In many small towns, the same underlying fibre supplies all of the local internet providers, and if that goes down, you lose everything. I've experienced this twice in the last few years when some dingus with a backhoe 200 miles away dug in the wrong spot.
Starlink (or other Satellite Internet providers) provides extra resilience in that instance.
Very good point!
Agreed, plus the other "traffic." My sister recently rode out a CAT3 hurricane at my parents house. They lost cable internet and she said the LTE network was so swamped, it was unusable. Plenty of bars, just no data was moving. My use case will be similar, I think Starlink is the only option.
500 Mbit/s definitely isn't an upper limit for the 5G. This is my primary (and the only) home internet connection, and the speed test usually shows 1.2 Gbit/s without any external antennas. As you might imagine, I see the tower through the window.
Ouch that hurts
You're right as I'm not too far from the T-Mobile tower in my area using it as my home internet, and I've seen burst speeds as high as 1.4 Gbps doing speed test with my Pixel 8a phone using a stock Sagemcom gateway pointed out my window with dialed in metrics, and average speeds between 400 Mbps to 850 Mbps down /50 Mbps to 150Mbps up with sub 40ms pings. So for me, it's a much better service for the money than Breezeline cable that's in my area.
Wow. I can get about 300Mbps outside but I built my house too well. It's effectively a faraday cage and, even standing near the window, I can't even make a voice call without switching to wi-fi over fixed line.
I have a trucking company and I use a Verizon wireless router (CSG). 80% of the time it's ok. before watching this I was highly considering Starlink if the price came down. believe it or not, I have most problems in major cities. I'm assuming because this router is only 4GLTE I do basic office work, the occasional video call and streaming. MOST times no issues. but at $49 a month for 300gb.. it's hard to go from that to Starlink. hoping they come out with a newer router that will close the gap on that other 20%
In Latvia LTE/5G unlimited plans cost like 10 EUR at Tele2, other operators have usually around 20 EUR. Also, 50 Mbps is enough for a 4K stream or about 4x 1080p streams, so a 50 Mbps speed on 4G/LTE is plenty enough for a small family. Also 4G/LTE isn't only 50 Mbps or less but it can go up to 400 Mbps if there are enough bands and you're located in a good spot.
And most spots are good. Except some cell towers only point 5G antennas in certain direction even though those tower send LTE signal in all directions.
I got the T-Mobile internet for life for $25. I also got a dual WAN router so I use both cable modem and T-Mobile.
Another awesome video. Thank you!
What do you think about latency? It means everything in fast gaming. Cheers.
Latency is as good as the quality of the connection and distance of the cell tower to the 5G/LTE modem, which can hover anywhere between 40 to 150ms in with excellent to good connection, 100-300 milliseconds with fair connection, and 200-1500 with poor connection. With Starlink, due to its low orbit satellites, 90% of the time (as long as the dish has a clear view of the sky) it hovers between 20-30 milliseconds - perfect for (normal, not competitive) online gaming.
@@arya_jahan98 competitive = Same building
@@tonysolar284 Proximity is key
You can also test with your phone if you can tether it or run a speedtest to see what it is in your area at various times of the week before looking at a home internet version.
@@tonysolar284 what? lol. Not sure what you mean by "same building".
When I said competitive, I meant for gaming. Like don't try using either for ESports gaming or a Qualifying Game. However, for casual/normal online gaming, like an unranked COD match, then the StarLink will be fine.
I am all about resiliency. Starlink has everybody beat when your area has no power, no cell, no internet and you have some backup power. But T-Mobile is 2x the speed and 0.5x the price compared to Starlink. Cable internet from Cox where I live is super unreliable in my area which has old crappy coax cable in the ground. Both And is great if you have the cash.
Our setup is similar as we have cable home Internet with T-Mobile’s backup service, $15 a month. We use a third party 5G router with an external WaveForm 4x4 Mimo antenna as the cell tower is a few miles away and no line of sight, we get 700-800M down and around 30M up. We also have a Starlink mini for additional flexibility. We recently had a power outage that lasted 5 days, we have a generator and the T-mobile worked flawless.
still no video about ubiquiti enterprise 7
For me, participation in the Web3 Infinity presale changed everything. Assemble the fight!
Thanks Chris. You mentioned a customer that has their network set up so Zoom calls are routed via the cell network and everything else via Starlink. More info on that and how you set it up would make a great video.
Where the heck did the reference for $.25 per GB over 50GB on the roam plan come from. They charge $1 per GB not 25cents.
I was thinking the same when I heard him say that. It's $1/gig over the 50.
I assume that was an error. As far as I know, extended data is $1/Gb. Would 5he presenter please clarify?
Awesome video Chris !!
This was good to know the info. I love the part about the rule to direct traffic to another WAM on your router. I was today years old now knowing this. Good stuff. I'm going to go tinker with this on my UDM SE. I have 2 ISP's.
I have been tethering my notebook computer to my cell phone, going back to the 3G days. These days, I have a 5G connection and lots of data available, more than I'm ever likely to use.
$30 a month in case your fibre goes down. Seems a bit expensive, how often does it go down and for how long. I haven't had an outtage (outside of early hours maintenance) in 4 years.
Some options like my Opnsense allows sharing internet to the whole network from my phone (usb so also charging). No extra costs at all
You could also use phone WiFi as a hotspot to the router shown previously on this channel.
For some perhaps, but as a business owner, it's not nearly as expensive as what I pay for my Internet service. And having the ability to fail over to a backup Internet connection is worth it for me. Would it be worth it for the home user on Xfinity who will miss out on cat memes when the Internet goes down? Probably not.
@@CrosstalkSolutions I'm more interested in how often your fibre goes down and for how long. I understand a business might need to have a backup.
It's cable, not fiber...and it's gone down once this year for almost a full work day (they were doing upgrades or something, so I knew about it ahead of time). So, T-Mobile came in clutch that day - but even without that, I consider it almost an insurance policy...just to have *something* in case of emergency. I run a business out of my home - if I'm offline, I'm losing productivity.
After Hurricane Helene took away my wired ISP for over a month, I added Verizon Home Internet for failover for only $35/mo and I also bought a Starlink Mini. That’s the best I can do.
If you can live with 4G/LTE, you can set up a backup circuit for around $30.
My carrier is upgrading all 4G customers to 5G. They'll also be shutting down 3G shortly. They've already killed it on the 1.9 GHz band.
I'm guessing you're not using yours as a backup circuit.
I'd also guess you're not paying $10/month for the service like I am.
@@MisterFastbucks Are you talking to me? I don't really need a backup as my Internet connection via cable is quite reliable. However, if needed, I can tether to my cell phone. I already have that configured in my pfSense firewall/router. All I have to do is plug in a USB cable between it and my phone.
Wow. You are really confident in your cable company's service. I envy you.
An instant-failover redundant circuit is a silly idea. I'm embarrassed now that I even mentioned it.
Obviously your system is much better.
@@MisterFastbucks Yes, they are quite reliable. The only interruption I can think of recently was a couple of weeks ago, when there was a planned outage to upgrade the equipment in my condo building. My Internet service was up & down throughout the day, but my cell service wasn't affected, so I could have tethered to it.
5G seems very expensive in the USA? I pay £20 a month for unlimited 5G in the UK.......
Yea Internet is generally cheaper in Europe.
It can be unless you can find a good plan like I have now, but many plans out there have different definitions of "unlimited" also. There is a lot of variation throughout the country.
This is because people in the US have to pay for their own usage vs. other people paying for it (aka socialism).
@@r000tbeer no, people in Europe pay their fair share via taxes and get it returned as services whereas in the US corporations use infrastructure paid for by the taxpayers and the corporations return oftentimes expensive service while funneling a lot of the money to overpaid CEOs.
"fair share" LOL. It's socialism, however you want to dress it up.
I use Starlink in many locations as a main connection or backup.
In Germany I have Vodafone Cable, but the quality is unfortunately not the best and Starlink runs here as a backup connection.
In Sweden, I immediately installed Starlink as my parents' main connection, because in remote places the mobile phone coverage is very poor and Fibre or Cable are not available.
In Ghana I have Fibre but there the quality is very poor and you have to book data packages that are more expensive than Starlink. Here I chose Starlink as the main connection and degraded Fibre with 60/60 as backup.
All in all, I am very satisfied with Starlink and the quality of the connection has improved significantly lately.
Great video, good info. IMO Cell data speeds can vary wildly depending on location, back haul, band used etc. It would be interesting to see how the carriers compare.
Had the gl spix net router and att couldn't activate the sim in it😞
Can I purchase the Gen3, and get the roam service ?
I Live up in the mountain and use a beam antenna but have often a hickup , Q what is the required distance for LTE/5G for a tower, is this line of site?. I am just thinking to go for the big Starlink.
about that rogue support: is that US-only or do you also work with clients on the other side of the atlantic?
Rogue Support is for US-based customers primarily, but the only checks we do is a US-formatted DID when signing up. Pretty easy to get around...but then, our techs are also all US-based, so you'd also have to be willing to work within the US time zones.
Take a trip west of the Rockies foothills and you'll be lucky to find any cellular reception. Only place to find it will be on major interstate highways and within towns, which are spread far apart. Mountains tend to block all kinds of signals except for satellites directly overhead. I've tried Verizon's 5G system and it was almost worthless. 5G signals are not that prevalent and any type or reasonable speed tails off quickly once you get into rural areas.
What about used starlink dishes? They might be larger and less portable but also cheaper. Can they used for failover internet?
The hardware isn't the expensive part - it's the monthly fee. But yes - I'm sure at this point, used Starlink dishes are abundant. Heck, I even have a Gen 1 (circular) dish up in my attic...happy to sell it to ya!
What is the case you have for the starlink mini?
It's called the Striker Mount from strikerfab (dot) com (I'm not affiliated with them).
The best option is to have multiple connections and bond them together. Bond Starlink and 5G or multiple Starlinks, depending on what you're doing.
The safety features of Web3 Infinity make it an attractive investment option. It's something I'm considering.
Nice overview video, God bless.
Can you use T-mobile home internet as a failover with Unifi?
Absolutely - the T-Mobile Home Internet modem has Ethernet ports on the back. Just plug one of those into a secondary WAN port on your UniFi gateway.
If your internet goes down few times a Yr like mine best BE getting a backup. Our rollover is SL bc inside our home 5g wanted us to rent a cell boaster for 230$ extra a month and other bs stuff. SL is fine as a backup we have it on pause mode and doesn't take long to unpause. Heard ppl with 5g in rv has issues and can cost a lot more and if you cross states etc, Check what you do is legal and will not be charged a ton. Same with Sl always check.
also here in hungary if I get good 4g signal, the speed ranges from 100-250mbits/s, so I dont know where in the hell you are gettings 5megabits on a 4g connection. pretty outdated data.
You think he went around the world doing speed tests on 4G connections and made a huge spreadsheet? No, he is basing his data on his own real world testing, where he lives, in the USA. Were you wanting him to make a video for each country so the data can be more accurate for you????????? LTE connection speed can vary for many reasons, network quality, number of users served, distance from tower etc etc. Congratulations on posting two of the most useless comments on the video.
Lol...that comment made me chuckle @datalorian - thanks!
Have a 5G tower really close and it works great except when there is a power outage. And we have those way too frequently so thinking about getting Starlink.
Coming from a country that is always in the top 5 most expensive countries to live in, I'm always perplexed about why the internet in the US is so expensive. Down here, 10Gb fibre internet costs about US$20/mo, and a 5G mobile plan with 100GB data is only US$7/mo. Outages are rare, but I still have a SIM in my router, just in case.
Its great old capitalism. Everything in the USA is about money. The more money you can make, the better and ISPs are no different. ISPs love to make as much money as they possibly can while spending the least amount possible all while receiving as much federal grants and subsidies as they can and not building out their infrastructure as much as they claimed they will. They will go to great and illegal lengths (at times) to make the most money they possibly can per customer.
AT&T is our largest DSL provider in the USA. In a lot of parts, they've modernized to fiber to the home. But in many places, they will flat out refuse to upgrade their ancient copper wiring as it is extremely expensive for them so they will just abandon their wired infrastructure in those areas. And instead of upgrading to fiber, they will try to push people onto their 5G home internet service.
@@JJFlores197 Yes. It's extremely expensive to install and upkeep, so they don't give it away for free.
@@JacksonCampbell Agree. I think part of the issue is that all these companies have taken billions of tax payer dollars over the past decades for the sake of improving and installing infrastructure. If the money was used for that purpose, I wouldn't really have an issue with them.
@@JJFlores197 To be fair, I'm guessing most of it is. Upgrading the towers to 5G, expanding coverage, and buying spectrum has all been happening. Hopefully they use all the funds properly.
In most of Backcountry Montana areas its a pretty simple choice.... Starlink due to no cell coverage in most of the areas we camp.
I use 5G. But only because of the monthly cost. I love my Starlink. But until they lower their monthly subscription lower to be competitive with 5G, I'll just keep it as a backup.
i had "5G" connection in my house when i moved in, turned out to be 4g because of poor connection to 5g so I got a starlink and my speed went up 20x with the downside of occasional dissconect when weather gets rough
I have both and have them on a LB and many times t-mobile is faster than Starlink!
In my area, T-Mobile is ALWAYS faster than Starlink - by about 3X. But it can vary wildly when I go on the road camping, or at a remote location.
Everything I need to know is that the places I go, it's Starlink or nothing.
You can’t have the T-Mobile 5g as a backup since T-Mobile will soon starting to cancel the service if is not being utilized.
You didn't mention the latency of both options. This could be important to some people.
750 download speeds on my t-mobile I’m connected to a Ultra Capacity 5g tower
I've seen as high as 1.4Gbps down during a Fast speed test on T-Mo in my area using my Pixel 8a connected to a stock Sagemcom gateway pointed out my window with average speeds of 400 Mbps - 850 Mbps down by 50 Mbps to 150 Mbps up with sub 40 ms pings, and it's much cheaper than the local cable company Breezeline.
In my area TMobil don’t work for 5G dont work. And can only have optimum which sucks. But all we have in my town.
No choice in remote Australia. Starlink or buy a pidgeon. Its a game changer.
isnt it 5GNR ?
Yep. I also wondered about how he was saying 5G LTE as though it was one service, rather than the two it refers to. Also, LTE was used in the early days of 4G, before it was fully implemented. That term was commonly used back in 2011 when I was working on the LTE rollout for a major Canadian carrier.
23mb approx is enough to streame 4k video download without buffering
My T-mobile home internet 5G don't stay 300GB but it's where I Live the problem....
T-mobile home internet 5G is not bad I Like....
Starlin I want for my next place....
Speed is an important criterion ... but so is latency 😉
Unless you are boondocking the wrong way you won't have cell signal. Hands down starlink. Starlink is far too expensive and they keep jacking the price up so that's the one thing that can be said for cell signal.
I really missed your gift guide.
Cable with 4G as backup is my thing and the 4G in my area has never let me down. I get between 40 and 50 Mbs download and that is enough for me.
For ultra low bandwidth and emergency messaging I use LoRA. As for Starlink, it isnt stable enough for some of the things that I do and it is associated with Musk. Since my organization forbids business with Musk, Starlink in a nonstarter for me anyway.
Cellular isnt a completely reliable backup to a wired/fiber service. I have twice experienced extended, large area outages of my primary ISP, one in a big city and one in a small mountain town. Both times the cellular networks were immediately so overloaded that they were unusable. The first time, in the big city, i was without usable internet for a week. The second time my system failed over to Starlink and access continued without interruption.
It will be interesting to see what happens in the next large scale outage now that many people have Starlink roaming service for camping. I expect many of those to be brought online, exhausting the bandwidth of the visible Starlink satellites. (Sorta a Starlink flash mob. 😊) Hopefully my Starlink residential service, which is at standard priority, will continue to perform acceptably since the roaming service is "deprioritized".
Who is the audience for this video? I don't think it is tech savvy people. No mention of upload speeds for starlink. Using terms like bandwidth caps instead of data caps.
I have tmobile 5g for the house and starlink for my business and a mini to go on the road with me.
My experience with 5g for small business, 5hey keep the bandwidth limit even after monthly renew, requiring you to call they simply lie using the comment the local tower is oversubscribed and give you sub 10mbs connections when they were offering 200+ mbs before , even if you renew weeks later they keep the bandwidth limit to the cellular device unless you play for there largest package. I’ve now opted to buying 30fps day contracts with multiple carriers and buying packages in bulk online , paying by prepay debit it’s been a real hassle, it’s not as if we’re using it for gaming or streaming services, just internet and mail sub 400gb a month well within the 500gb cap fair use . Things have gotten so bad I may go back to the air wifi 30mbs service
5G LTE? Is that a thing, or is it just a marketing term for speeds up to 5G? The last time I checked, LTE and 5G are two different evolutions.
Since 5G is backwards compatible with LTE, I combine the two...it's 5G/LTE. Basically it means that you'll be on 5G when it's available and fail back to LTE when it's not...that's a pretty common way to view the tech.
@@CrosstalkSolutions The *PHONE* is backwards compatible, all the way back to 2G. 5G is, in some ways, an enhanced 4G, but there's a lot more than that to it. There is some cell site equipment that can handle both 4G & 6G.
Too bad Ubiquiti doesn't make an unlocked 5G modem. I use T-Mobile 5G as a backup as well would be nice to have it all integrated in Unifi along with my Ubiquiti cable modem. My T-Mobile speeds are almost faster than my cable internet definitely the uploads just much worse latency.
If you use cellular (T-Mobile especially) and a VPN connection (such as OpenVPN), change your MTU to 1420. If not, you're going to have a bad time.
I have no problem with OpenVPN on Rogers. I'm not aware of any MTU restriction with them.
My backup internet is hotspot.
@7:55 LMAO. Speeds are wildly inconsistent with 5G and it depends from tower to tower, time of day, etc. If you only use that single tower and its oversubscribed, and ofcourse the usual congestion, you're shit out of luck. The effective 5G tower range is within few miles of the tower too, so you're not gonna get much help beyond that.
With Starlink, the speed only has to factor in congestion and even then satellite can bounce between various ground stations and sats to mitigate that issue, so you're always gonna get the best thats available out of many different options.
I use both. I have 50 or so Verizon 5G deployed as failover.
I have about 12 Starlinks. When 5G works, it’s easier to deploy in a commercial space bc it’s just plug and play.
However, Starlink solves the problem when 5G is one or no bars.
And these are both backups. We never us Starlink or 5G as a primary.
I live in the middle of a city and T Mobile was unusable
5g is not available in my area. starlink is.
You should go with Starlink then. :)
You know you're really out in the boonies, if you can't get Starlink! 🙂
No comparison. Starlink works without any infrastructure. In a major incident, Verizon will be down.
I guess I was mistaken, I thought Starlink used geostationary satellites
Starlink is LEO (Low Earth Orbit), and they're not geostationary. Other satellite solutions like Hughesnet are HEO (High Earth Orbit), and those ones are geostationary.
5G LTE????? LTE is a 4G technology. LTE is the successor or 3G connectivity
there is no point in thos comparison, if there is no fiber, dsl or hfc network where you live, there wont be 5g
comparr a network in space to a network that most cities do not have yet is a waste of time
5G in the UK is a lie; 10 years ago I was getting 150mb down on 4G, now I get about 40mb on 5G
Comparing Apples and Oranges.
05:09 AT TÜRKİYE STARLİNK GATEAWAY
7:03 It's not 5G LTE. LTE is an upgrade to 4G. 5G is the next generation after 4G LTE. So 5G/LTE is correct referring to both, but listing it here as 5G LTE is incorrect.
My terrestrial Cox internet is so bad that any satellite internet is still better.
I mean while a comparison is welcome... I just want to say I don't think anyone would hevery cross shope those two like in a way it's hard to describe... Kinda like getting a sprts car or a speed boat... But so much more unlikly.. Like pencile or pen but again even more unlikely... Like star link is for when you can't get that speed internet reliably any other way.. Hince why it's mostly used in remote areas by mobile people like camping, phsycal remorte work you know the old defnation why you go somewhere that is remotre to work there... And on watercchaft... tec.. But having a 5g cellur network conetion is so much rarer and only really useful as the defuelt new cellur network adter chip then it is for internet... Like the only reason to get 5G cellur internet is it's extremely cheap and has a no hassle set up escply if you always have a 5 g connection in your home/office... So yeah if you are considering Star link you have not much choice as Star link is by far the cheapest starlight internet avble for diact subscription aka not used as part of logistics... While 5g internet is just a niche preference thing if you live in a high 5 area and want cheap intenet...
5G is not LTE, which is "4G"
I get headaches while using 5G
5G Fluctuates a lot too
Elon shit vs normal stuff
Web3 Infinity is well supported by the public. Future events are exciting!
I have decent cable. But like in florida. Hurricanes take out power so cable and cell towers lose power and are down. Thank starlink for turning on thier cell nodes last Hurricane. Our cell phones had no signal but texts started working mysteriously. Elon turned on the nodes for all carriers and we could let families up north know we're ok
There are much better and safer alternative currencies, including Web3 Infinity, thus I'm no longer interested in those ones.
OR .. if you DON'T live in town but instead out in the country with NO internet
I just spent 3 months working in the mountains 2 hours from any cell service installing new culverts designed for protection of fish habitats, camped in my trailer and Starlink was my only connection to the world, including "WiFi Calling" with my Telus connected Pixel 8P. Definitely the more flexible option. You can run into issues if you drive out there without setting your home location to where you are going before losing cell service though! Found that out the hard way. *I should mention my Starlink plan is the residential one requiring me to stay within my "home service area/cell", that is why my location on the service plan matters*
LTE is not 5G
5G all the time
Been waiting for this for years yet yes still shit, the price of a phone or even brand band at home is 1/3rd of the price of this plus no where near as fast as broadband even my mobile phone is faster?? Yes my like my phone unlined £16 per month this on roaming it's £95 per month??? Lol at home £25 per month, yet again starlite £75 per month... this is another con of bullshit sorry but it is give me a shout when it's lower a lot lower
5G internet is terrible for gaming
The problem with Starlink is it's owned by Elon Musk!
Not a problem, you are just blinded by stupidity.
I wish you well in your emotional recovery 🙄
wake up, its 2024!
not for long!
Yea - jumped the gun a bit, but this is designed to be evergreen content for the new year.
starlink is not an option for me, simply because elon is nuts. nuts enough to support the klump.
i wanted a tesla, but that desire died a sudden and unexpected death when they screwed up the interior of the model S and X. now that elon supports the klump, i'm not gonna give him any money. no tesla, no powerwall, no starlink, no nothing.
and yes, the american voters have proven that the majority of them are dumb enough and gullible enough to buy his ridiculous propaganda and MAGA BS. the world would be better off if harris had won.
God, you really are ignorant
Starlink/Musk is a hot political topic for sure, and in my original script, I actually addressed that a bit. But in the end, adding anything even remotely political to a video like this is just gonna piss people off, so I kept it completely out.
I do encourage people to factor in their political leanings when they choose where to spend their money...it's a great way to support what you want to support. Starlink though is a game changing device in my niche...so the technology can't be ignored (for me).
MAGA 2024
Yikes dude, I hope you're not this insufferable in real life, have fun with your TDS for the next 4 years 😅
@@CommodoreFan64 in 4 years i guess you'll agree that sending the klump back to the white house was a BIG mistake.
The transparent governance plan of Web3 Infinity is welcome. It separates it from others!
I'm bullish on Web3 Infinity. The market looks to be responding nicely.
You argue there is no way, but why? Do you know about Web3 Infinity? This is going to fly to new heights.
T-Mobile. Hahahahaha what a joke. Worst phone service ever. I'll stick to my real cell service, Verizon
Verizon. Hahahahaha what a joke. Worst phone service ever. I'll stick to my real cell service, T-Mobile.
See? I can do it too...Verizon is absolutely horrendous in my area - T-Mobile was a vast improvement. Perhaps try stepping out of your own little world once in a while.
@@CrosstalkSolutions I agree this person needs to get out of their bubble, as I've been in areas where no matter who the cell service was they sucked, and I've been in areas where they were all great, and in my small hometown T-Mobile has the best speeds, and is the only option for 5G Home Internet right now for my side of town that can get it, but AT&T has the best overall coverage followed by Verizon.
So it just depends on where you're at, & who had deployed the best towers in that area.
Web3 Infinity is the safest altcoin ever since its automatic algorithms stop paper hands, bot transactions, and bear markets. It will certainly reach $10 in no time.