The $700 Fully Loaded Dygma Defy Keyboard
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- Yes, its insane, but I love it. #notsponsored
Keyboard site: dygma.com
Chapters:
00:00 Intro to Next-Gen Keyboards
01:53 Base Model vs Traditional Keyboards
03:15 First Typing Test - Defy Base Model
04:08 Traditional Typing Test
05:00 Final Defy Typing Tests
06:45 Extra Features and keycaps
09:46 Wireless
10:15 Battery
10:45 Tenting
12:25 Bazecor Software and Firmware Upgrade
14:23 Conclusion .
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I have a keyboard like that. It got that way after I had to fix the bootloader for the fifth time.
700 keyboard or pay my bills, hmmmm.
Bro, you have to put your priorities in order. Obviously you need to buy that keyboard. 😂😂
Pay my bills
what is worth more a high programmable board that safes your wrist or more doordash food marked up the ass
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I cook my own food from the can, so it is cheap, taste good & no one spat in it, or if they did, it already got cooked twice.
🤣🤣🤣
It's funny how he reads "Kailh" as "Kali"
Ikr? It’s pronounced ‘Steven’
Thanks for the review Chris! 🥰
That new firmware you installed fixes the Bluetooth disconnections you mention along with an improved battery reading system 😊
The software works on Linux? I ditch several keyboards for that reason!
@@fredklier Yes! It's compatible with Mac, Linux and Windows
How do you get the thumb keys to show what they do instead of dots and dashes?
I would want to see the space bar, shift, delete, backspace, etc...
Also I want to get extra keys but the combo I want isn't available
does it thock?
The lower thumb row on both sides use low profile Kailh Choc switches, all the remaining switches are regular Cherry MX compatible ones.
getting and building a charybdis from bastard keyboards was an absolute gamechanger it took a couple start and stop sessions, and especially since I use it tented gaming in that mode was limited at best but depending on what I was doing which was a lot of work and hobby stuff, design is all open source but the combo of ortholinear, trackball and ergo shaped more to your hand was definitely a learning curve but once you use it a bit it clicks and I can type faster on it now even though I've had to swap it out for a regular keyboard for a bit because I got lazy swapping it in and out for my gaming. but if I know I'm going to sit down for a while it's amazing if you do a lot of work and some hobbies behind your computer. I would like wireless as an option but it's definitely a compromise depending on your use,.If I had to split the difference instead of just having 2 though, this seems perfect for it.
Excellent review! Love tha Defy config. I went with the all black full spec. The Defy is my "end game keyboard". Would love to see how you have configured the layers for your workflow! Dygmate HighFive!
I have the System76 Launch Heavy! It's so amazing and customizable on any OS!
@ChrisTitusTech for that keyboard how many keys can be presses at the same time? Where I've run into issues with these custom keyboards is gaming... where I need to run slide and jump in quick succession... some split keyboards can't seem to do W, E, Shift -> Space
one key can be pressed in 5 ways an each input can be tied to more then one action so a single key can do a ton
the keyboard has NKRO, does not matter how many keys are pressed simultaniosly, all are registered correct
The Defy is NKRO so you can press any amount of keys and they will all be sent to the computer
Cant find contact so write here. when using CTT specifically remove telemetry cmd is frozen on: " running script for WPFTweaksTele". How i can make it work?
Have you looked at any of the ZSA keyboards? I picked up a Moonlander and am loving it!
This is really cool and I almost bought the keyboard while ago, but I was worried about the amount of thumb keys. Ultimately I just built my own keyboard with a corne layout. Regardless of the route though, I highly recommend a split keyboard for pretty much anyone, it's so much more comfortable to type on than a standard one, and a lot of them are even built to be portable. Worth looking into even if you end up not wanting to go with this specific one.
I ahve been rocking a Kinesis for years. I love this keyboard. This looks awesome, Is it QMK or something more cryptic for programing?
Its Bazecor their own firmware. However, the raise is compatible with a QMK, but the defy isn't yet, but I'm sure someone will do that when it sees a full release.
Our firmware is a fork of Kaleidoscope. It's similar to QMK 😊
I will be honest, if I am paying 700 for a keyboard the least I expect from it is to type by itself
this comment screams if my PC is more then 300 bucks it should have AI to do all the browsing an editing for me
@@senritsujumpsuit6021$300 for a fucking keyboard is too much already, let alone 700 fucking dollars.
@@inny74 like hell next your gonna say 600 to 2000 bucks for an office chair is to much eventhough the chairs of tons of stuff no cheap ass chair will ever have
It has macros to type sentences for you 😅
I'm using ortolinear and split keyboards for about two years and enjoy them a lot with both Linux and Windows.
So far I used the Corne , the Kyria, the TBK Mini and the Sofle. The former is the one that has the most similar layout to the Defy. All of them support QMK and are fully customizable just like the defy although they are, individually, least expensive.
Those DIY keyboard are pretty fun! We're here for those who would rather buy one than build 😊
I'm using the MoErgo Glove80 which is a similar concept. I love it. The only thing I wish it had a better tenting system.
i have the moonlander, i got overwhelmed, now im taking break and using my normal keyboard
The first couple weeks were brutal for me. I tried gaming doing an RTS and I was beyond frustrated. It wasn't until I started to ONLY use the new keyboard that I finally got it. I had to take my keyboard everywhere to get acclimated.
that is the whole point of the first board from Dygma be a bridge for newcomers who want more transition time
@@senritsujumpsuit6021your comment is not right, if you buy a raise you stay close to the standard keyboards and still have less to learn
but the defy is simple maximal ergonomic and you have to learn the new keypositions, this is hard to learn and you have to be willing to learn it because the keypositions are saved in the brain for years of usage
they said the same as I did on there youtube sir or mam am a follower of there YT an have entered the giveaway for the Raise 2 @@christiand3560
Getting used to a columnar or ortholinear keyboard takes some time. Most love it, but we also have the Raise for those who don't 😊
Got a pretty nice ortho from microcenter for sub $40. Inland Mk-47. Took a few to set up, but no regrets.
How do you get those icon only view on the browser tabs without the tab title, I have searched google but didn't found anything regarding this. Also can I set that option for selective tabs
For gaming, the Tartarus Pro keypad does the trick for me. Would perhaps be nice with something like this for typing, but i was pretty happy with a regular ergonomic keyboard too. Doesnt have to be fancy if its just for typing.
hey chris , can you help me with something and maybe do an video . After Tweaking my pc with an app the microsoft services was probablly turned off so when i download something from the store theres just says that an error accured and if i try to download it from Winget , i cant even install winget with the package , and winget is not found on my pc if i use the Wininstall
when you said you denounce everything redhat- does that change your recommendation for the best gaming distro from nobara?
Question what driver updater you use? Or you just use windows update?
So you would prefer the defy over the raise 2?
Can u make video on third party software for turning on or off windows features because my windows 10 not working
Hey Chris, I was wondering if you would like to make a Video on Alex's ThoriumOS? It seems like an interesting project, but no videos appear to cover the OS. I think it would be interesting.
That's great if you have the coordination to touch type. My fingers drift off the home keys unless I watch them, and even then, I have trouble hitting the right key, I have experimented with a lot of keyboards and my conclusion is, I need to upgrade my nervous and muscular systems.
hi what linux distro should i use if i want to use mainly for gaming?
I've been thinking about trying an Alice or Ortholinear again, I'd need something with enough programmable keys to replace the F row though. Main reason I use a TKL is because I can't live without the function keys. Just bought a Jris80 though so it will probably be a while before I worry too much about it.
literally making custom switches for my defy as this poped up
Can u please make video on to optimise hdd disk from software
Hi Chris, I hope you will respond to this comment. I have already commented about this issue numerous times. There is one problem in Win utility tool. Have you noticed the items in context menu showing abruptly instead of taking a second to show? Click on right context menu and hover over view or sort by you will notice the items are showing very quickly. It breaks the visual design point of Windows.
Ah, a fellow Dygma user. I've got the Raise for over 2 years and I use the left half for FPS gaems while I keep the second half free for mouse use. Can't live without numpad so the Raise is not my daily driver, only vidya driver
Thanks for the vid!
With a columnar layout like the Defy the numpad in another layer is much more intuitive, in case you want to give it a try.
@@DygmaLab Fair, although it takes too many brain cycles for this smoothbrain of mine at this stage 😂 you are right though, I should probs give it another go. Appreciate the response!
hate to ask here but ive exhausted all options, after using ur windows tech window program thing, it disabled windows updates. in the program it says to go run the fix to turn it back on but that hasn't worked, I've tried literally everything I could find online for a fix and nothing has worked. when I try to go into services to manually turn on the update service it says I don't have permission. honestly it isn't that big of a deal for me but trying to fix it has been very annoying. thanks!
And here is me with my €30 Cherry Stream TKL membrane keyboard I've used for years 😂 I did the whole mech & ergo/split keyboard thing back in the 2000s and years later I ended up back with the most basic of keyboards again. Honestly the only thing I dislike about this Cherry is the key legends are Windows ones which messes with my brain sometimes when I look at them when on macOS but other than that its been a great keyboard. I do miss backlighting though so if they were to release a new model with that I would buy it.
Please make a tutorial on how to use seedboxes and sonarr and radarr etcetera and how it works🙏
I recently picked up a glove80 for less than 300. Can't wait for it to come in
We want to try it out, but new is more like 400$ , right?
@@DygmaLab brand new is about 400
Games... I mean Work, I'm buying the keyboard for Work.
that looks so cool
"This one's just a cheap $30 keyboard" I'm using one I bought for £4.99 like 8 years ago
In my experience it is easier to hit the keys you mentioned when your are tented a bit. I like around 10-15 degrees.
We agree, a bit of tenting helps 😊
It took me until min 10:48 to realize he was saying "tenting" and not "tinting". 😅 I was trying to figure out for 10 min what are "tinting" feature was all about. 😅
I do 93wpm on a 70% keychron keyboard with ease, so I can't really judge the speed advantage, I would have to try. Great video though!
I have all the bells and whistles on the defy, but let my work pay for it :P Its a great board, but overwhelming too as a newbie.
That's a nice play to work. Are you hiring? 😂
$700 for a keyboard is genuinely insane though
You can get it for like $400 something without all the extra stuff. $700 is clickbait.
Such an overkill and waste of money, but if it excites you so much I guess it's worth it. Buying something that makes you happy always feel great. :)
its not waste the whole thing makes work easier an drastically helps long hour strain build up
the creators said themselves the first board is the bridge for new ergonomic users to full dive in with the second board
@@senritsujumpsuit6021$700 for a keyboard. a KEYBOARD.
You can get a 4070 for that kind of money. $700 for a keyboard is a massive waste. Im rocking a SteelSeries Apex 7 and im fine. Hell, it has a OLED screen, something that the 700 dollar keyboard you love to simp so much over doesnt have. Quit justifying spending nearly four figures on a keyboard, when a $100 keyboard can be enough for 99.99% of people.
@@inny74 bruh so your gonna just use a 10 dollar desk an chair an a plastic trash keys board becuse only pc have a right to have fancy features
@@inny74If one wants this off the shelf premium split keyboard then this is it. There is couple other companies making premium boards like these and they all have similar base prices at around 350€. If you only want the functionality you can buy diy kit and assemble it yourself or you can design and order it directly from the pcb manufacturers to save even more. My point being that while they are exorbitantly expensive it’s because splits are niche product with often times very small scale production runs, many being done by hand on order. You can’t expect such product to compete price wise against mainstream keyboards. Whether something is waste of money isn’t for you to decide, if they get value out of it then it isn’t waste.
Anybody know what extension he's using to shrink down the tabs a the top? Or is this just something built into Thorium?
You can right click tabs and hit Pin Tab, then they'll persist between closes and reopens of the browser and that's in basically every browser that's out there these days!
@@carterlavering2553 oh I didn't know this was just pinning the tab, because I thought it was just dynamically shrinking and enlarging when switching between the tabs (small -> normal size -> back to small). Well thanks for letting me know anyways!
Doesn't make sense to me how it is that expensive when you can get a proper ergonomic keyboard with key wells like glove80, or kinesis 360 for cheaper.
The base model is about the same as those. It just depends on if you want to kit it out with options.
@@ChrisTitusTechyou should try the glove80 and make a comparison video. I think you'd really like it
To be fair, the Kinesis Advantage starts at 449$ and the glove 80 at 400$. You can get a Defy for 329 😊
Thats cool. I've been wanting to build one but I just cannot justify the prices. I just have an old razer blackwidow with cherry blues I got for $8. Works just fine. Typeractive has their corne model which is what I've considered getting. Base model is $150
DIY is a good route if you want to keep the price down; we're here for those that want something pre-built and well-built 😊
@@DygmaLab Completely understandable. Wasn't a dig at the product. It looks good. Personally I can't justify the price of niche keyboard stuff. Even if you make it diy yourself. Its still expensive.
funny i was just looking at split linear keyboards the other day.
bit to expensive, especial with currency conversion
Question i just want to know why i could be having fps stutters and micro stuttering in my games because i have tried all the things and it still doesn't work is there any way to help me in a tutorial or something?
Hell No. It took me years to find a keyboard I like where the keys are not too high, not too low, not too loud, not too silent, not too hard, not too soft, at the right height with a spacebar that works the way I want, with super high multiple keypress reading, with key switches that never die, in the color I want being ordinary black, and with a wire cause nothing beats a wire.
Calm down
I would shit myself if they would collaborate with the wooting or have an analog switches option.
Mmmmm 🤔
Yeah, you have to keep in mind that basically everything about a traditional keyboard is designed to slow your typing down. Back in the days of a mechanical typewriter, if a person got typing too fast, the hammers for the letters would bind up. So they had to design the keyboard in such a way that you couldn't type too fast and bind up your keys. That's how the QWERTY layout was born. Now that this is no longer an issue, it's a great time for manufacturers to explore new layouts.
yeah on Dygma YT they go into how a standard board is meant to be ass to use lol
How does how do you daily drive a keyboard without number pads or function keys.
.? Like never mind not having macros.. You're missing almost half the keys
You can program the keys of the second layer, for example, to be the num pad. Change of layers is just one click so it is easy :)
Having a good keyboard is essential. I use Cherry MX Blue (I like the Clicky sounds and don’t share an office) on a Cherry G80-3000. But $700 dollars!
Have you tried Kailh Box White? They have really pleasant clic 😊
PS: you can get a Defy for 329 too, just not full-spec 😅
@@DygmaLab I looked at the specs since you have mentioned them. Seem to have the same actuation force. Travel distance is slightly longer on MX Blue. Two things that separate them is the Kailh Box white click twice on every stroke and the reset point.
To be honest I am happy enough with MX Blue. However, if I ever come across a keyboard with Kailh Box white in, I will try out. Just can’t be bothered to order a set specially, since all 5 keyboards in the house are all MX Blue, I am 60 and retired.
I really like this split keyboard but the permanent wrist rest makes it hard for me to get it ( I like it to be more smaller and portable)... and then the price too :D
when its super small its gonna miss a lot of features but if you really want a board super small just build it yourself people have made boards that are just 14 keys slapped on top of a chipboard an it works
We're considering making portable, low-profile versions of our keyboards in the future
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 well not that small hahaha. i got a corne for now hehe.
@@DygmaLab Thank you very much! will be waiting for it, and please add an ortho version. :)
WOW, $700 Kb!? my brand new hp laptop with ryzen 5 cpu and radeon gpu was only $750 cdn or 550usd and a POS at that.
i installed Elementry os only cuz debian 12 wouldnt take at all and i borked the Windows installation in the attempt.
BUT now the damn thing locks up a dozen times a day and needs a hard reboot about 3=4 time a week
if i couldve recovered windows i wouldve returned it in the first week!
you gotta get your hands on an IBM model M keyboard. The vintage ones dont have a super key so you kind of need to get creative lol
why did youtube shadowban titus?
I can only touch type on ortholinear keyboards. Makes the decision easier. Hate to break it, but non-ortholinear keyboards are a thing of the (distant) past.
If you're getting a split, do yourself a favor and get a Corne or similar (Lily56, Ferris Sweep, etc) which you can get for around $200-300 fully assembled. Not only will it be substantially more customizable should you decide to change anything about how it looks, but it won't cost your kidney.
dude people don't need to bend over sideways to make a board the most weird thing ever to stroke there individuality ego XD there's so much to tune in Dygma each key has 5 inputs that's not something a lot of boards have for example lol
an whats 450 to 700 bucks for a board that will do wonders over getting some video games you might regret buying instead
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I don't quite understand your point here. I'm saying you can pay substantially less for a product of the same quality, that is also more customizable, if that matters, and your response is "uhh just buy a more expensive one lol"? Also not sure what you mean by many of those boards not having multiple "inputs" (I'm assuming you mean layers?). QMK/ZMK is a lot more flexible than what dygma has in that regard and more. Expensive thing != good
@@aarholodian you really did not look into what the board has then if your only thought to me is "uhh hur drrr more money mean the same exact thing is better"
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I do as a matter of fact know what they offer, which is why I don't understand what is the point here. Can you specifically tell me anything that it does that any of the boards I listed above do not, which justifies the ~$200-300 price difference? Is dygma at least paying you for your shilling
Damn I was joking about them paying you but you're shilling them under every comment criticizing the obscene price tag lmfao. I guess do whatever you need to do to convince yourself the excessive spending was worth it buddy
Yeah… think I’ll just stick to my Keychron Q13
Now you gotta try a kinesis.
It's a columnar layout, not n ortholinear one :)
Don´t get too deep into the custom keyboard rabbit hole. Trust me. It is hard to go back once you dig in haha
lol its too late... I have custom keyboards everywhere now.
My time using Laptops makes these boards heaven
screw laptops boards
@@ChrisTitusTechA man of culture! Enjoy :)
PS: Your Windows debloating tool is awesome. Keep rocking Chris!
try building the lily58 and can you give the old one to me? hahaha :P
It isn't ortholiniar, it's column-staggered.
I still love my Northgate Keyboard from last century with the control key where god intended it to be and the function keys on the side before Bill Gates decided to cut the legs out from under WordPerfect by moving it. (I don't do gaming)..
Classic ergo or nothing at all. But for the price you might as well wait for a cheaper brand to come out in 6mo to a year. I will admit the keyboard is very cool with a futuristic vibe!
For me this kb is too bloated. I don`t get how you could use 8 thumb keys and also why I would need them. Watching you doing this strange thumb movement hurts. Also I prefer the much more compact low profile switches. I think at the moment the ZSA Voyager is top standard. The only thing missing is wireless.
the creators have mentioned all over there youtube all the logic that goes into making the boards an it all makes sense what would you rather do use your thumbs a little bit or stretch your pinking all the fuking time straining your whole hand
The extra keys are typically only used when needed. Think of something like print screen or a special key like an F key. It's nice to have them, but I wouldn't assign enter or alt key to those more obscure keys.
I only used number keys when I have to emulate a game without a controller lol @@ChrisTitusTech
@@ChrisTitusTechan simple issue for making this brutal thumb cluster was making a keyboard working for different hand sizes and flexibility of the thumb,
it is not intended to use all eight of the keys as primary keys, use the keys which fits your comfort most,
Not sponsored but they sent it to you for free no?
So many thumb keys, what do you even do with them??? That's even more than a normal (60%) keyboard probably!
On main layer left: Ctrl/enter, Shift/Backspace, Layer4, Layer3, Screen Capture macro, Alt/space, Layer 2, Undo Macro On Right: Ctrl/Enter, Shift/Backspace, Space, Layer4, Alt, Delete, Menu, ToDo macro for Obsidian. Other layers are have some differences. I went with the Defy over the MoonLander for the thumb cluster and lack of bottom row, others prefer the Moonlander.
IMHO 700 dollars it's nuts, my logi tech g915 gkl only cost 200 and it's great
The bills for RSI Injuries are way higher, never mind constant pain... Wonder what the ergo-experts are recommending these days...
That's quite close to our 329 base price... and the g915 is not split 😊
Video should be called How to waste fantastic amounts of cash
wow way to miss all the points of the boards layout an features Dygma has a whole youtube that explains how this stuff works
standard boards are by design typewriters with zero effort to make your body feel healthy
I use a zsa voyager and its nice. I prefer the low profile keys.
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700 dollars and the 2 pieces dont connect individaly to the computer... what?
Dygma has youtube which shows how much custom work was done to make either of these boards possible an the amount of content in them makes any grips mute an dead hehe
not to be that person, but technically thats not otherlinear, thats columnar stagger
yeah its a third term but people use both terms interchangeably
ja it´s a little bit like switching between two completely different languages say Japanese and Latin or Russian our brain is capable of: you would think it´s the same area, but it´s not...
How do you put your face on the thumbnail right next to a $700 keyboard and not look dumb?
Just don't be poor.
Welp, someone removed my comment. Guess I'm not allowed to mention cheaper brands that don't ask for your kidney for their keyboards?
where did you comment this because if its on a brands website then duh no one ones people spamming other brands stuff
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 I didn't post a single link. I just said I like my Keychron keyboard that I paid $85 for. Lol
@@MyReviews_karkan that is still dumb ite like going to a British tech companies website an saying I love Chinese tech they have this thing
@@senritsujumpsuit6021 lmao. Wtf are you talking about? Go away, please.
@@MyReviews_karkan wow your dense for not getting the basic point
To bad it's flat, not like kinesis. I understand it's kinda harder to pull off...
on the Dygma YT they explain the ups an downs of those types of boards an explain they feel its not as good
When I see keyboards that looks looks this aesthetically ridiculous, I have to wonder if I'd rather just have carpal tunnel.
that is very R word bit of logic
my breathing system looks odd I would rather suffocate
Yes, because human beings require keyboards to biologically function. 🙄
Carpal tunnel is no joke, though... 🥹
columnar, not ortholinear
I see now... Yeah, it all makes sense, train people to use their feet to use thumb prints on a linear keyboard...
How many potato chimps were used for the blurred... Key board...? (Smart phones)
Biggest problem with these is individual size of hand. For even a $300 keyboard that thing better fit my big hands, and it likely won't since they make them for average size humans. And what if you're a midget? Not gonna cut it.
Third comment. I never succeded to end a comment but now I will.................
I have keyboard for 10$ and I'm fine
but your missing tons of features an any relief from strain seat at your keyboard all day doing work an tell me your not in a ton of pain
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You rest your wrists while typing on the traditional keyboard as well as the "ortho". Resting your wrist is one no-no, but another is angling your wrists up while typing. If you're going to put your wrist on a surface while typing, I'd go with the "ortho". Of course putting it on the desk surface kinda forces your hand, as it were.
Ortholinear sucks, God bless you though.
false its how your fingers are supposed to use a board the standard layout is from a typewriter
You can get the Dygma Raise 2 if you prefer staggered keyboards... 😅
Hu, ligma.
$300 tops, no more.
then your never getting a lot of these features unless you really wanna hard-wire a chip for a DIY board
What's up with the clickbait title? You can get a Defy for $399 as you showed at the end and even with all the features my defy only came out to $500 something...
$700 for a tech piece that has a life expectancy of 1-2 years. Not a smart investment.
you know OLED TVs an tons of other things in these world technically have a chance of dying out but like with OLED they easily last longer my laptop should have died years ago but there hot as fuk piece of crap is not dead
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LOL^700
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Bloke over here with his over half a thousand US $ keyboard.
Far out.
Razer already cost about the same just so you can get a boner over more RGB logos