+Mitsuki Horenake "Hey mom, long time no see. So, good news, you're a grandmother now! Also your granddaughter is a reincarnation of you. So you're your own grandmother. Don't ask me how this works."
she married a guy that is the male version of her mother, and gave birth to an almost exact image of her mother... I can only feel the irony here, anyone else?
Severa: -hates (sort of) her mother -marries a male version of her mother -gives birth to a near-carbon copy of her mother Just imagine how pissed she is at life in general for this.
+Tactician Morgan Every single Awakening clone is just an anagram of the original character's name. Some aren't, but I won't tell what specific category they fall into because that'd spoil some things.
math77370 When I said spoil I was talking about the Conquest clones. Please don't spoil things about them, others actually might want to figure stuff out, as obvious as it may be to you or myself.
I really feel sorry for Selena. First she had to grow such low self-esteem from watching her mother, and then she gives birth to a daughter who not only is a copy of Cordelia, but now she feels like a complete stick in the mud compared to them. I can't imagine how frustrating it can be. :'(
+Triple D to be fair i dont think theyre copies. im pretty dayum sure they ARE the real characters. way too many coincidences. that or times is indeed screwing with them
Okami Inuzuka They aren't. It would be really fucked up if Severa gave birth to Cordelia. Like REALLY FUCKED UP. It's like which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Triple D ehh. True. But there are other ways for the children to be born. For example caldori (? I can't pronounce half their names) only NEEDS subaki. So realistically her mother could be Anyone, even female avatar. Mjnd I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying I don't think it's too far of a streach. I personally think the coincidences are way too close but I admit I'm also a bit of a theory lover. So take that as you will. The primary example I'd look at is Asugi who is pretty well a carbon copy of (suprise) gaius and his c rank conversation with caldori is literally just a meaner version of the awakening one. Also I always choose the egg. A bird evolves into a chicken but the first chicken HAD to come from the egg
Okami Inuzuka I won't go deep into this just take the developers say about the game and the fact they are NOT the same people. Xcept for you know, the three amigos.
Sir Aicos After Grima and Lucina went back in time, Anankos found a way to save his fallen kingdom and he recruited the 3 misfits named Inigo,Owain & Severa.
Selena and Subaki is definitely a canon couple. And this mother and daughter support is so unique and it answers Subaki's question to Selena about "who do you want to admire or appreciate your hard work? Your mother?" And it makes sense of why Selena would get teary eyed when Caeldori, who looks exactly like Cordelia, would admire her hard work and skills. I ship this family a lot! I love this family. Definitely my favorite pairing ever.
I want to think this pairing is canon as well, but the thing is that it makes Selena a total liar as when the world is ending she abandons Caeldori and teleports out instead of saving her daughter or dying trying.
@@AlanJia8 a subtle detail at the end of Heirs of Fate is that the translocation crystal: which had been split in three was posses by Soleil, Ophelia, and no one else. This means either Selena left her family in a dying world to save her own skin (without Liliths power boost each crystal was explicitly only good enough for one person) or she married Laslow or Odin. Each Heir of Fate is from a different version of that world, but because there are only 2 worlds of awakening presumably all Selena’s do the same thing or there are thousands of clones of her running around Ylisse. I find the earlier more likely.
Gaaaaaaaah... Severa. I'm so happy for her in the end of this support. Finally overcoming her inferiority complex. Too bad it took her a few years and another game before finally letting go of the past. Can't wait to get Revelation myself. It's a bit odd that I'll have to get used to her "new" identity though.
Axis True, but she’s now got it in hand, like the other two. Owain is still theatrical, but speaks plainly when needed. Inigo still flirts with girls, but doesn’t bully them into accepting his invitations.
+joshua kim During my Awakening playthroughs I only used legendary weapons (exept if an alternate bonus FE team was selling it, like mire) in my non-main savefiles
+joshua kim During my Awakening playthroughs I only used legendary weapons (exept if an alternate bonus FE team was selling it, like mire) in my non-main savefiles
just helping out those confused about Caeldori and Cordelia here. they are separate characters, that share many of the same traits the reason they are in game is because the characters who won the japanese popular character contest (Tharja, Gaius, Cordelia) were brought into Fates in some way, this time around they are the Child units. the in game reason why as the child of Severa, Caeldori and Cordelia look identical is because it is a funny concept. the mother who Severa was not on the best of terms with, only to have those memories and the relationship repeat with her Daughter although this time she gains an understanding. similar to how Soliel cannot sing or dance even as the child of Inigo and Azura though Shigure can. or how Ophelia has the Mark of Naga and how Owain is happy because his mothers mark never surfaced. Rhajat and Asugi are confusing though, but its easier to think of them as Pre-incarnations of there respective character, or just characters who came out very similar. if Noire won the popularity contest over Owain or Inigo though we can say that similar conversations would emerge if she were to be the mother of Rhajat though
"And I promise never to go die on you or abandon you." Severa had such a complex relationship with Cordelia. On the one hand there was such an inferiority complex, one that shone through even during her Support Conversations with Subaki, but on the other Severa loved her mother SO much - enough that in Awaking she called Cordelia the perfect mother.
DevilHunter1994 Yeah, a perfect way to work your weapons transporting, tsundere mothered, prodigious fathered BE-HIND off... I think yours is much funnier... What do you think...?
MrSonicspeed59 well rhajat is in the game so the most logical choice is noire, it just makes more sense, it would make more sense if noire replaced arthur as retainer but we still keep arthur just make him a vigilante or something you get later on, but noire could have had a chance in the game, it was a wasted oppurtunity.
Knowing the "Severa"/Caeldori conversation and its unique yet still generic support, how would the unique yet generic support between "Noire"/Rhajat go?
+MegaWTFgamer I can't remember exactly, I know I've seen an English translated script of the original Japanese version somewhere online, you'll have to look for it. I'm sorry I can't remember exactly.
+Joshua Castaneda (ChaosGallant6) didn't think you'd be a fan of these videos chaos... And you realize I have you in Skype right? If you wanna talk just go there dummy
ssshhh, you're never on there anyways, and neither am I have the time. Also recently got a copy of Conquest and been watching these videos for my entertainment and knowledge if I get Birthright and Revelations as well, dummy.
so, somehow caeldori, asugi, and rhajat all eventually travel to ylisse and change their names, but if selena marries subaki it creates a paradox, cause caeldori traveled to ylisse and had severa who traveled to nohr and had caeldori who traveled to ylisse and had severa and so on! so which one is the others mother!?!
Jared Steege it's not confirmed how cordelia, tharja, and gaius are in both games so either theory could be true. Xochitl Rosales severa, owain, and inigo were born in ylisse, they just changed their names and traveled to fates, it's what the hidden truths dlc is about.
I find amazing how you people get to confuse by this, thinking Caeldori and Cordelia are the same person. Nohr and Hoshido are "mythical kingdoms" in Awakening timeline, meaning they existed but they got destroyed or something and people forgot about them or even doubt they existed at all (like Atlantis in real life). Best case scenario Caeldori might be a VEEEERY distant ancestor of Cordelia. Now I would explain more but I would spoil the Recollection of Bubbles DLC.
Garcia Eduardo They could have just traveled forward in time the same WHY that Severa, Owain, and Inigo traveled back, but that's just my opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
WHY MUST EVERYTHING RELATING TO THE AWAKENING CHARACTERS BE SO SAD AFTER PLAYING HIDDEN TRUTHS!!! SAIZO HAS BROKEN INTO MY ROOM AND LEFT CHOPPED ONIONS!
I wish there was DLC coming in where the cast of Fates will join up with that of Awakening for their final battle with Grima. All the adults and some childrem could be there. Which could segway in all sorts of events!! I crave seeing Caeldori talking wiyh Cordelia. Rhajat and Asugi conversing with Tharja and Gaius. Oohhhh and Ophelia reuniting with Lissa (Before Awakening Xenologue got me wanting more) SOLIEL AND OLIVIA. I'D DIE. ASDFGHJKL
Whipper T. Snapper Probably she would feel too... embarrased as she sees her dance an reminiscing Laslow's or her inability to dance... Olivia and Soleil has more than Soleil flirts
I particularly feel bad for Severa/Selena because I had my unit marry Cordelia. Just imagine growing up with a badass mom, a respected tactical genius for a father, and a little sister who, I'd imagine, probably outshone her older sister due to inheriting her father's intellect? Poor girl... having to live in the shadow of all of her family's success and achievements...
Severa is a character who is naturally easy to dislike at first, but then naturally hard to dislike later if one puts in the effort to see more of her character via other supports. I remember first thinking "Wow, what a gold digging bitch" at her first impressions and C supports in FE:A, then later thinking "Aw, she just wants to be someone not in another person's shadow" near the end of the game.
talk about triggered. grows up in the shadow of her perfect mother only to marry the so called "mr.perfect" of this dimension (your growths are terrible tsubaki) and gives birth to a child that is a spitting image of her mother.
+xendingalot I find it hilarious that Subaki is literally the only Pegasus Rider obtainable (not counting capture units) that can't hit hard for his life, yet ironically has access to the hyper offense Samurai class and its skills.
I swear to god Caeldori stumbles on a Dragon’s Gate and is actually the mother of Severa in another timeline. Thus simultaneously breaking and fulfilling the most messed up Grandfather Paradox EVER.
Kind of like how Owain's entire existance hinges on him meeting his mom as Odin Dark, and how him becoming Odin Dark hinges on meeting Niles while he still goes by Owain (if Warriors is canon).
Severa/Selena Born the daughter of Cordelia and Gaius Marries a male version of her mother Has a daughter who is an anagram of her mother And her daughter marries an anagram of her father (Asugi) That's my story of Severa/Selena lol
Just comment here to prepare myself for the Forging Bonds. Because I saw this: "Characters appearing in the upcoming Forging Bonds" and it said - Caeldori: Cordelia. Welp, off I go to see it in action in a couple hours.
I don't know about anyone else, but I found this really sad... Just remembering from Awakening how her mother died then she traveled back and met her mother before she was born, to then have a daughter that is basically a replica of her dead and living mother.
(Sorry, missclick post) Just imagine how Severa/Selena (take your pick) feels, even at the end, she says how she and her mother are truly two different people. What I'm trying to say is the she misses her mother, alot, but she has Caeldori (I heard it is a cool anagram for something, riceload was it?) now, so its nice, but sad at the same time, would nostalgia fit the word here?
Challenge: Rearrange all other awakening names and say what country they would be in. So far: Vaike-Kevai(Hoshido) Gregor-Georgre(nohr) Sumia-Mausi(Hoshido) Stahl-Thals(Nohr) Virion-Niviro(Hoshido) Olivia-Violia(Hoshido) Donnel-Lendon(Nohr)
Selena Timeline thingy: Cordelia gave birth to Severa, Severa got turned into Selena thanks to human Anankos, Selena got sent to Nohr, Selena got married to Subaki if it's canon, Selena gave birth to Caeldori, Caeldori is an anagram of Cordelia, remove the t, replace the 2 with a 3, destroy a 4, make up a new letter, yep, Awakening's Cordelia is a Load of rice, more specifically, Riceload
Wait a second, Cordelia is the only character that I married en Awakening then, that means Caeldori is my Grandaughter! Oh my, I am too young to be grand father
Funnily enough Selena either isn’t canon for this pairing or goes back on her word as she is no where to be seen in Heirs of Fate and Caeldori doesn’t have her translocation crystal.
I really like how personal Selena and Caeldori's support conversations are. Kinda almost makes me like Selena. Well sure, she's fine in fates, but I hated her as Serena in awakening.
So is Selena is her own Grandma and great Grandma and great great Grandma and great great great Grandma and great great great great Grandma. And so is Cordelia. Not even Fry can compete.
The funny part of this is that if Hoshido-Nohr is actually pre-historic version of Archanea. Which means Subaki is Cordelia's ancestor, which means...Severa married her own great-great-great-great-grandfather....
I just realized that Fates' kids are determined by their dad, so Severa only gets to be her mother in Revelation. *Which is sad because this is perfect.*
Ok, I’m going to simplify this complex family. Selena, Cordelia’s daughter, Marries Subaki, a genderswapped Cordelia. They have a kid named Caeldori, Who reincarnates into Cordelia.Cordeliception.
I always like to think of what if other children characters from Awakening were the ones to be summoned into the world of fate, like Yarne or Nah or even Cynthia
This is my kind of revelations file all the families are super fucked up like corrin's sister being his mother in law or caeldoria being her own grandmother ah so fucked up it feels better than coffee in the morning this is all of my files sometimes I'll go overboard and fuck it up as much as possible
I know that Caeldori, Asugi and Rhajat are reincanrations of Cordelia, Gaius and Tharja, but I want to share a theory. We know that Ylisse and Nohr/Hoshido are parallel worlds. What if a person of one world can have another version of himself in the other world? So Caeldori is Cordelia, but a parallel Cordelia, an alternative version of her who lives in another universe. And Selena is the mother of an alternative version of her mother. I give you a headache, uh?
The "Before Awakening" stuff kinda gives hints that Fates took place thousands of years before Awakening (I think Chrom even mentions that he's heard of Nohr and Hoshido as ancient, nearly mythical kingdoms), so it's pretty much the same universe at different times.
+Rafael Castillo In fact, as in Fates there's no recall of Marth, and in Awakening there is, it would mean that Fates takes place before even the first Fire Emblem Sorry if I couldn't explain myself fine, it's because I'm mexican
Cross-n-Run 101 yes but in Rhajat japanese support conversation with Corrin, I think she said that she is a reincarnation of Tharja and Corrin a reincarnation of Corrin, then Fates takes place after... which is weird because of the dlc with Chrom, where the meet Chrom as if the stories where parallel, or when Chrom calls Hoshido and Nohr mythic kingdom as if they were past kingdoms... Two possibilities : past, present and future are mixed, or the writters themselves don't know what events happened in the first place.
This got a nice ending to it BUUUUT imagine instead of being happy about how things went she went and started thinking crazy shit like: Oh god my dumb stupid genes ruined this worlds version of my mother, I diluted her perfctness and now she isn't perfect and it's all my fould.
Hmmmm... I achieved the same hair color of this Caeldori with Hinoka and Subaki. Never thought of Selena... *SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIP*
Cordellia : Bye Severa may your life to be happy Severa : No,i can't even prove to you my worth Caeldori:I am back Severa,no should i say Selena,no Mom Severa:.............
OH MY GOD, SHE REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE CORDELIA! OH MY GAWD!!!! Oh my.... She is even a Pegasus Knight even..... OH MY GAWD THIS HAS TO BE CANNON!!!! WHO IS THE FATHER?! And that made me cry... :'(
Imagining that Caeldori search for her mother selena in awakening then becoming a knight of glasses. Then got marry to have gave birth to her mother again , So the cycle goes on..
![[Fire Emblem Fates] All Royal Siblings Battle Dialogue](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/nJGa8qOr-cI/mqdefault.jpg)
Selena: When I once left you, I was but a daughter. Now I am the mother.
*insert Star Wars lightsaber duel*
+Eyeshield11721 *Ike vs. Jill. RIP Shiharam 2005-2005
Xailashi moist I'm dying XDDD
Caeldori - Only the mother of inferiority complexes.
LOL
That weird part in time where you're somehow the mother of the woman who reincarnates into your own mother.
+Mitsuki Horenake and then next fire emblem will have a reincarnate of Caeldori lol xd
+Mitsuki Horenake "Hey mom, long time no see. So, good news, you're a grandmother now! Also your granddaughter is a reincarnation of you. So you're your own grandmother. Don't ask me how this works."
tehraider123 lmao imagine like 10 fire emblem games later, another reincarnations of the great great great granddaughter of Caledori xd
That logic works in Futurama, XD!
I can only imagine someone calling Caeldori helping Chrom in the future and Caeldori becomes Cordelia...
Well... fuck.
she married a guy that is the male version of her mother, and gave birth to an almost exact image of her mother...
I can only feel the irony here, anyone else?
Severa:
-hates (sort of) her mother
-marries a male version of her mother
-gives birth to a near-carbon copy of her mother
Just imagine how pissed she is at life in general for this.
+joshua kim really pissed
+Games Gal There's a freudian joke here somewhere
+joshua kim MOTHER 3 CONFIRMED!!!
Surrounded her whole life by perfect pegasus knights.
This is such a mindfuck for people who constantly played Awakening
they must be like, WTF? NINTENDO WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO MAKE
This hurt my Brain on so many levels (600+ hours on Awakening I do not have a problem XD)
Atrosoni you fo for playing such a bad game for so long
@@jugdralsaga4881 Did you just call awakening a bad game?
@@elbowssimon7407 Awakening's the worst game in the series. Thank god we had Fates to make up for it and save the franchise
Using an anagram of the original characters name. Now that's strategy.
Amateur.
STRATEGERY
+Tactician Morgan Every single Awakening clone is just an anagram of the original character's name. Some aren't, but I won't tell what specific category they fall into because that'd spoil some things.
+Nep nep nep Asugi--->Gaius Caeldori----->Cordelia
Rajhat----->Tharja
math77370 When I said spoil I was talking about the Conquest clones. Please don't spoil things about them, others actually might want to figure stuff out, as obvious as it may be to you or myself.
"Oh, by the way Caeldori, you might have an aunt or a half-sister, depending on which time line we're in."
Lol
+CJ47 Referencing Morgan?
CGrascal The one and only.
lol right
My girl counterpart would be the best aunt ever.
I really feel sorry for Selena. First she had to grow such low self-esteem from watching her mother, and then she gives birth to a daughter who not only is a copy of Cordelia, but now she feels like a complete stick in the mud compared to them. I can't imagine how frustrating it can be. :'(
+O.R. Studios nah in the end she learned that she got it all through hard work because of her, which is heartwarming :)
+Triple D to be fair i dont think theyre copies. im pretty dayum sure they ARE the real characters. way too many coincidences. that or times is indeed screwing with them
Okami Inuzuka They aren't. It would be really fucked up if Severa gave birth to Cordelia. Like REALLY FUCKED UP. It's like which came first? The chicken or the egg?
Triple D ehh. True. But there are other ways for the children to be born. For example caldori (? I can't pronounce half their names) only NEEDS subaki. So realistically her mother could be Anyone, even female avatar. Mjnd I'm not saying I'm right. I'm just saying I don't think it's too far of a streach. I personally think the coincidences are way too close but I admit I'm also a bit of a theory lover. So take that as you will. The primary example I'd look at is Asugi who is pretty well a carbon copy of (suprise) gaius and his c rank conversation with caldori is literally just a meaner version of the awakening one. Also I always choose the egg. A bird evolves into a chicken but the first chicken HAD to come from the egg
Okami Inuzuka I won't go deep into this just take the developers say about the game and the fact they are NOT the same people. Xcept for you know, the three amigos.
"And I promise never to go and die on you. Or abandon you"
You can feel the emotions on that line.
"I wont abandon you Caeldori" Ooooooh Shots have been fired. Referencing cordelia leaving severa.
More like dying
Oof
not much of a choice that cordelia had
Not really leaving but she sacrifice herself to protect her......
"When a daughter gives birth to her mother."
+Chonxi Its getting all Futurama up in here.
+Chonxi
Not her mother persay, but her ancestor.
+Jarock316 not her ancestor, Fates is in another universe from awakening, not in the past
Universe blows up.
BOOM
Sorry, I just had to say that.
Sir Aicos
After Grima and Lucina went back in time, Anankos found a way to save his fallen kingdom and he recruited the 3 misfits named Inigo,Owain & Severa.
I think that's the first time I've ever heard anyone sip tea sarcastically.
LamanKnight Yeah *siiiiiipppp*
I like how at the end of the paralogue, Selena calls Caeldori "Daughter", as if she's trying to remind herself that she's not talking to her mother.
Selena and Subaki is definitely a canon couple. And this mother and daughter support is so unique and it answers Subaki's question to Selena about "who do you want to admire or appreciate your hard work? Your mother?" And it makes sense of why Selena would get teary eyed when Caeldori, who looks exactly like Cordelia, would admire her hard work and skills. I ship this family a lot! I love this family. Definitely my favorite pairing ever.
I want to think this pairing is canon as well, but the thing is that it makes Selena a total liar as when the world is ending she abandons Caeldori and teleports out instead of saving her daughter or dying trying.
@@viviblue7277 Wdym?
@@AlanJia8 a subtle detail at the end of Heirs of Fate is that the translocation crystal: which had been split in three was posses by Soleil, Ophelia, and no one else. This means either Selena left her family in a dying world to save her own skin (without Liliths power boost each crystal was explicitly only good enough for one person) or she married Laslow or Odin.
Each Heir of Fate is from a different version of that world, but because there are only 2 worlds of awakening presumably all Selena’s do the same thing or there are thousands of clones of her running around Ylisse. I find the earlier more likely.
@@viviblue7277 I think that's because Selena doesn't have to be Caeldori's mother.
Gaaaaaaaah... Severa. I'm so happy for her in the end of this support. Finally overcoming her inferiority complex. Too bad it took her a few years and another game before finally letting go of the past. Can't wait to get Revelation myself. It's a bit odd that I'll have to get used to her "new" identity though.
Two years and a few timelines later...
Dormammu LmAo ~ True.
Except she didn't get over it. You don't get over this kind of thing easily. Hell, you can spend your entire life and never get over it.
Axis True, but she’s now got it in hand, like the other two. Owain is still theatrical, but speaks plainly when needed. Inigo still flirts with girls, but doesn’t bully them into accepting his invitations.
Only Severa can aggressively drink tea and make is adorable.
+Terumi I'm pretty sure that only Severa can aggressively drink tea in general.
I concur!
"Have we moved the damaged weapons yet?"
HA
+Ben S
Brings back so many memories of hoarding powerful weapons that i would never use.
+joshua kim During my Awakening playthroughs I only used legendary weapons (exept if an alternate bonus FE team was selling it, like mire) in my non-main savefiles
+joshua kim During my Awakening playthroughs I only used legendary weapons (exept if an alternate bonus FE team was selling it, like mire) in my non-main savefiles
+joshua kim Top logic. Remeber when you would use s rank weapons and you had to be conservative with them? me neither
+Jacqueline Diaz They could have given durability to non-legendary weapons, it's stupidly easy now
just helping out those confused about Caeldori and Cordelia here.
they are separate characters, that share many of the same traits
the reason they are in game is because the characters who won the japanese popular character contest (Tharja, Gaius, Cordelia) were brought into Fates in some way, this time around they are the Child units.
the in game reason why as the child of Severa, Caeldori and Cordelia look identical is because it is a funny concept. the mother who Severa was not on the best of terms with, only to have those memories and the relationship repeat with her Daughter although this time she gains an understanding.
similar to how Soliel cannot sing or dance even as the child of Inigo and Azura though Shigure can.
or how Ophelia has the Mark of Naga and how Owain is happy because his mothers mark never surfaced.
Rhajat and Asugi are confusing though, but its easier to think of them as Pre-incarnations of there respective character, or just characters who came out very similar. if Noire won the popularity contest over Owain or Inigo though we can say that similar conversations would emerge if she were to be the mother of Rhajat though
CYЯEO well said. u eased my mind from this weird paradoxical game
Damn
"And I promise never to go die on you or abandon you."
Severa had such a complex relationship with Cordelia. On the one hand there was such an inferiority complex, one that shone through even during her Support Conversations with Subaki, but on the other Severa loved her mother SO much - enough that in Awaking she called Cordelia the perfect mother.
Well I think we can all agree those supports were....perfect. Eh?.... Eh?....Okay I'll shut up now.
I kinda thought so as well.
thanks for making it DLC, Intelligent Systems.
+Alex Read he made a pun because Cordelia and This girl are both Perfect
Oh...
Sort of...?
Yeah that's kind of stretching it.
DevilHunter1994 Yeah, a perfect way to work your weapons transporting, tsundere mothered, prodigious fathered BE-HIND off... I think yours is much funnier... What do you think...?
did you know that the words in "caeldori" can be mixed mash into "cordelia" and "riceload"
Severa must have named her like that, but mix up.
cordelia's riceload???
+Pickle Inajar
yep...u no she gonna eat white riceload's ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
+Kawaii-ness Overload no shit
Same with Asugi (mixes into Gaius) and Rhajat (mixes into Tharja)
in all honesty this why i ship subaki and selena, because their daughter helps Severa finally gain closure about herself and her mother
It's too bad Noire isn't in this game. I would love to see her be Rhajat's mother.
Well, there's Nyx, the closest thing we get for having Noire in the game.
you have no idea how much i agree with this, she could have even been elise's retainer
+MLPflutterguy Personally the could have replaced Effie with Kjelle
MrSonicspeed59 well rhajat is in the game so the most logical choice is noire, it just makes more sense, it would make more sense if noire replaced arthur as retainer but we still keep arthur just make him a vigilante or something you get later on, but noire could have had a chance in the game, it was a wasted oppurtunity.
Knowing the "Severa"/Caeldori conversation and its unique yet still generic support, how would the unique yet generic support between "Noire"/Rhajat go?
This is so canon that it's physically difficult to pair these two with anyone else.
Imagine youre Selena and Corrin joined Hoshido
during youre fight you encounter Caeldori(mother Hinoka or red hair Corrin)
How would THAT feel?!
Golden lotus I did that and made Caeldori fight her and she said "UGH, you don't even desereve to look at me!"
Golden lotus or something along those lines
But, but...Keaton X Selena/Severa!
joshua kim
Unless you have Unassuming Venusaur's Gay Fates hack. In which case, shipping Selena with other girls ftw
It's good to see that Selena (Severa) didn't say mean things to Caeldori like she did with Cordelia in Awakening.
+Matthew Kelly (King Marth 64) She does in the Japanese translation.
+DarkWarriorVanitas aw shit. What does she say for example?
+MegaWTFgamer I can't remember exactly, I know I've seen an English translated script of the original Japanese version somewhere online, you'll have to look for it. I'm sorry I can't remember exactly.
"The circle is now complete. When I left you, I was but the learner; now I am the master."
*siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiip*
+sidous471
How's that tea?
Rice load.
+sidous471 Get out of here kid (;
+Joshua Castaneda (ChaosGallant6) didn't think you'd be a fan of these videos chaos... And you realize I have you in Skype right? If you wanna talk just go there dummy
ssshhh, you're never on there anyways, and neither am I have the time. Also recently got a copy of Conquest and been watching these videos for my entertainment and knowledge if I get Birthright and Revelations as well, dummy.
this can't be more canon.
I wish there's more canon couples...
Ahem. Corrin and Azura.
*_SirGimpy_* why?
+SilverRain Oh, idk, it's how they showcased relationships, they're a lot alike in some ways, and a buncha things that involve spoilers.
+*_SirGimpy_* Y-You do know what Corrin and Azura's relationship is in Revelations right? I wouldn't really call it canon after that reveal...
+liszst he might want to go full japan
This was touching. Severa has low self esteem and tries to hide it all the time. To have a perfect daughter would be tough.
this is so disorienting to see cordelia I mean caeldori call Severa I mean Selena mother
so, somehow caeldori, asugi, and rhajat all eventually travel to ylisse and change their names, but if selena marries subaki it creates a paradox, cause caeldori traveled to ylisse and had severa who traveled to nohr and had caeldori who traveled to ylisse and had severa and so on! so which one is the others mother!?!
this fucked me up
They don't travel to Ylisse. Robin, Gaius, Tharja, and Cordelia are reincarnations of Corrin, Asugi, Rhajat, and Caeldori respectively.
Selena Odin and Laslow never went to Yliss in the first place
Jared Steege it's not confirmed how cordelia, tharja, and gaius are in both games so either theory could be true.
Xochitl Rosales severa, owain, and inigo were born in ylisse, they just changed their names and traveled to fates, it's what the hidden truths dlc is about.
Cheese Gal Umm... Yes it is. Refer to Rhajat and Corrin's Japanese support convo.
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That's a lot of salt in your tea their Selena.
Wow. So many people commenting on Caeldori's name...Did you know that there is also Rhajat and Asugi?
We did, but Rhajat and Asugi can't be rearranged to spell Riceload.
+DittoMaster6 I know I'm late, but while she may not be Riceload, Rhajat will still always be Jarhat.
Asugi = I Gas U. Close 'nuff
Also, maybe because the video is about Caeldori and not Asugi and Rhajat.
Duh.
Really want to give Severa a big warm hug
The A support really touched my lil heart
I find amazing how you people get to confuse by this, thinking Caeldori and Cordelia are the same person. Nohr and Hoshido are "mythical kingdoms" in Awakening timeline, meaning they existed but they got destroyed or something and people forgot about them or even doubt they existed at all (like Atlantis in real life). Best case scenario Caeldori might be a VEEEERY distant ancestor of Cordelia. Now I would explain more but I would spoil the Recollection of Bubbles DLC.
Garcia Eduardo actually Hoshido/Nohr are kingdoms of a parallel world to Ylisse's world
Garcia Eduardo They could have just traveled forward in time the same WHY that Severa, Owain, and Inigo traveled back, but that's just my opinion ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I've been waiting for you, Cordelia, we meet again at last. The circle is now complete: when I left you, I was but the daughter. Now I am the mother.
I think Severa/Selena is the only one who's character arc goes through two games.
WHY MUST EVERYTHING RELATING TO THE AWAKENING CHARACTERS BE SO SAD AFTER PLAYING HIDDEN TRUTHS!!!
SAIZO HAS BROKEN INTO MY ROOM AND LEFT CHOPPED ONIONS!
JK Gamer DX SAME
Are you sure it was Saizo? Did you take a good look around? It might've been Kellam. You never know.
+OtomostheCrazy But Kellam was just a debugging tool. You can't get him in the game.
Tony Hakston Yeah, but you also can't get Saizo to break into your own room and cut onions. It was a joke, dude.
OtomostheCrazy it was both of them
I wish there was DLC coming in where the cast of Fates will join up with that of Awakening for their final battle with Grima. All the adults and some childrem could be there. Which could segway in all sorts of events!!
I crave seeing Caeldori talking wiyh Cordelia.
Rhajat and Asugi conversing with Tharja and Gaius.
Oohhhh and Ophelia reuniting with Lissa (Before Awakening Xenologue got me wanting more)
SOLIEL AND OLIVIA. I'D DIE.
ASDFGHJKL
I feel like Soleil meeting Olivia would just be Soleil unknowingly stalking her grandmother.
+Whipper T. Snapper same
Whipper T. Snapper Probably she would feel too... embarrased as she sees her dance an reminiscing Laslow's or her inability to dance... Olivia and Soleil has more than Soleil flirts
quick to the fan fiction.
SaladAssLeDuck
Upon meeting each other;
Soleil: *flirts with her grandmother*
4:31
Literally how I approach my friends
Walk up and say 'Hi'
For some reason I read that in balloon boy's voice...
yeap its canon
"Look at me. I'm the mother now."
Caeldori=anagram of Cordelia
Asugi=anagram of Gaius
Rahjat= anagram of
Tharja
Rhajat*
I feel Subaki and Selena are canon...
+esco Tanner they really are...
Nah, i feel like Laslow and Selena are canon. Especially considering FE:A :D
***** I feel like those two are canon in Conquest
Well, I find them canon wherever
+esco Tanner Nah, Laslow and Azura are canon in Conquest.
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I particularly feel bad for Severa/Selena because I had my unit marry Cordelia. Just imagine growing up with a badass mom, a respected tactical genius for a father, and a little sister who, I'd imagine, probably outshone her older sister due to inheriting her father's intellect? Poor girl... having to live in the shadow of all of her family's success and achievements...
And im actually liking severa now, despite hating her in the last game
Pretty much a bitch in every convo but then people start looking up fanart after support rank A
Well, she was my daughter last game, so I was kinda stuck with her, lol
Severa is a character who is naturally easy to dislike at first, but then naturally hard to dislike later if one puts in the effort to see more of her character via other supports.
I remember first thinking "Wow, what a gold digging bitch" at her first impressions and C supports in FE:A, then later thinking "Aw, she just wants to be someone not in another person's shadow" near the end of the game.
talk about triggered. grows up in the shadow of her perfect mother only to marry the so called "mr.perfect" of this dimension (your growths are terrible tsubaki) and gives birth to a child that is a spitting image of her mother.
+xendingalot Not just spittinig image, she gives birth to her mother's original earthly body before she got reborn.
+xendingalot
I find it hilarious that Subaki is literally the only Pegasus Rider obtainable (not counting capture units) that can't hit hard for his life, yet ironically has access to the hyper offense Samurai class and its skills.
I swear to god Caeldori stumbles on a Dragon’s Gate and is actually the mother of Severa in another timeline.
Thus simultaneously breaking and fulfilling the most messed up Grandfather Paradox EVER.
Kind of like how Owain's entire existance hinges on him meeting his mom as Odin Dark, and how him becoming Odin Dark hinges on meeting Niles while he still goes by Owain (if Warriors is canon).
I can't spoil this for myself, this is fantastic that they acknowledged this relationship. And I can't wait to see the whole thing for myself ^_^
This is canon. Hands down.
Severa/Selena
Born the daughter of Cordelia and Gaius
Marries a male version of her mother
Has a daughter who is an anagram of her mother
And her daughter marries an anagram of her father (Asugi)
That's my story of Severa/Selena lol
Podría ser canon
Even though I haven't watched or read Naruto in years, I got the image of Gai and Lee giving a thumbs up when she said genius of hard work....
Just comment here to prepare myself for the Forging Bonds. Because I saw this:
"Characters appearing in the upcoming Forging Bonds" and it said - Caeldori: Cordelia.
Welp, off I go to see it in action in a couple hours.
I don't know about anyone else, but I found this really sad... Just remembering from Awakening how her mother died then she traveled back and met her mother before she was born, to then have a daughter that is basically a replica of her dead and living mother.
(Sorry, missclick post) Just imagine how Severa/Selena (take your pick) feels, even at the end, she says how she and her mother are truly two different people. What I'm trying to say is the she misses her mother, alot, but she has Caeldori (I heard it is a cool anagram for something, riceload was it?) now, so its nice, but sad at the same time, would nostalgia fit the word here?
Oh yeah, I knew it was Cordelia, its just that it could also be riceload, it was a joke.
all aboard the feel train
Challenge: Rearrange all other awakening names and say what country they would be in.
So far: Vaike-Kevai(Hoshido)
Gregor-Georgre(nohr)
Sumia-Mausi(Hoshido)
Stahl-Thals(Nohr)
Virion-Niviro(Hoshido)
Olivia-Violia(Hoshido)
Donnel-Lendon(Nohr)
Ah, the sweet smell of character development!
Sorry to ruin the moment, but could we just get Saizo and Beruka? They are OTP too.
+Angry Lucas ...
+Angry Lucas ...
+Angry Lucas ...
*Achieved Support Level C*
Exactly.
At first I thought Caeldori was Cordelia. Then I saw her say "Mother" to Selena and I was like, "Oh"
Ahhhhh, that felt good...
Now I won't feel so bad pairing Subaki with someone else for them stats. Hnggggggg
Selena is the canon mother of Caeldori
I don't like marring Selena with Subaki, but damm I'll do it if Caeldori were the daughter of Selena, those two has a wonderfull relationship
Cordelia - When your genes are so strong they appear in a parallel universe
Selena Timeline thingy: Cordelia gave birth to Severa, Severa got turned into Selena thanks to human Anankos, Selena got sent to Nohr, Selena got married to Subaki if it's canon, Selena gave birth to Caeldori, Caeldori is an anagram of Cordelia, remove the t, replace the 2 with a 3, destroy a 4, make up a new letter, yep, Awakening's Cordelia is a Load of rice, more specifically, Riceload
Wait, so Severa got her named changed by Anakos so now she's Severa. When did that happen in Fates?
+Benny Varghese DLC
Wait a second, Cordelia is the only character that I married en Awakening then, that means Caeldori is my Grandaughter! Oh my, I am too young to be grand father
Funnily enough Selena either isn’t canon for this pairing or goes back on her word as she is no where to be seen in Heirs of Fate and Caeldori doesn’t have her translocation crystal.
Selena really has grown up, it's nice to see :)
One of my favorites supports tbh
I really like how personal Selena and Caeldori's support conversations are. Kinda almost makes me like Selena.
Well sure, she's fine in fates, but I hated her as Serena in awakening.
Selena-When I last saw you, I was but the daughter. Now I am the mother.
i searched riceload and this came up
She then proceeds to marry Asugi and then Gaius meets Asugi and everything’s messed up
So is Selena is her own Grandma and great Grandma and great great Grandma and great great great Grandma and great great great great Grandma. And so is Cordelia. Not even Fry can compete.
Cap. Orange Soghda McGuffiepans different universe so no
So Selena basically went back in time and gave birth to her ancient grandmother. Way to go!
These supports are alot better than I was expecting.
The funny part of this is that if Hoshido-Nohr is actually pre-historic version of Archanea. Which means Subaki is Cordelia's ancestor, which means...Severa married her own great-great-great-great-grandfather....
I just realized that Fates' kids are determined by their dad, so Severa only gets to be her mother in Revelation.
*Which is sad because this is perfect.*
You are correct. She's Subaki's fixed child, not Severa's. Even though Severa as the fixed one would be so fitting.
If there's one thing I regret the most in my fates playthrough, it's that I didn't marry Subaki to Severa
This is manly tears :-(
SEVERA really liked her mother, huh? She even name her daughter after her: Caeldori -> Cordelia.
Omfg that last part had me crying
Ok, I’m going to simplify this complex family.
Selena, Cordelia’s daughter, Marries Subaki, a genderswapped Cordelia. They have a kid named Caeldori, Who reincarnates into Cordelia.Cordeliception.
How to anagram the awakening names
Tharja -> Rhajat
Gaius -> Asugi
Cordelia -> Riceload
Lissa -> Lassi
Frederick -> Criderekf
Miriel -> Rimeli
Ricken -> Renick
->
Vaike -> Evika
Sumia -> Masui
Cherche -> Hecherc
Virion -> Rovini
Basilio -> Samuel L Jackson
Gangrel -> Nergal G.
Chrom -> Boring Marth
Lissa and Silas are also anagrams! Illuminati confirmed! (sarcasm on the second sentence)
I always like to think of what if other children characters from Awakening were the ones to be summoned into the world of fate, like Yarne or Nah or even Cynthia
4:03 Lol
She's Like "Not Again"
Also I cried a little in the A Support ;w;
This is my kind of revelations file all the families are super fucked up like corrin's sister being his mother in law or caeldoria being her own grandmother ah so fucked up it feels better than coffee in the morning this is all of my files sometimes I'll go overboard and fuck it up as much as possible
I know that Caeldori, Asugi and Rhajat are reincanrations of Cordelia, Gaius and Tharja, but I want to share a theory.
We know that Ylisse and Nohr/Hoshido are parallel worlds. What if a person of one world can have another version of himself in the other world? So Caeldori is Cordelia, but a parallel Cordelia, an alternative version of her who lives in another universe. And Selena is the mother of an alternative version of her mother.
I give you a headache, uh?
The "Before Awakening" stuff kinda gives hints that Fates took place thousands of years before Awakening (I think Chrom even mentions that he's heard of Nohr and Hoshido as ancient, nearly mythical kingdoms), so it's pretty much the same universe at different times.
That's... kinda disturbing. Severa gives birth to her own mother.
+Rafael Castillo In fact, as in Fates there's no recall of Marth, and in Awakening there is, it would mean that Fates takes place before even the first Fire Emblem
Sorry if I couldn't explain myself fine, it's because I'm mexican
Cross-n-Run 101 yes but in Rhajat japanese support conversation with Corrin, I think she said that she is a reincarnation of Tharja and Corrin a reincarnation of Corrin, then Fates takes place after... which is weird because of the dlc with Chrom, where the meet Chrom as if the stories where parallel, or when Chrom calls Hoshido and Nohr mythic kingdom as if they were past kingdoms...
Two possibilities : past, present and future are mixed, or the writters themselves don't know what events happened in the first place.
Amazing, because Inigo, Severa and Owain travel to _Fates_land.
Imagine if Noire came along and had a PC with Rhajat. At least with Rhajat, it will put her at ease since, unlike Tharja, Rhajat is socially awkward.
This got a nice ending to it BUUUUT imagine instead of being happy about how things went she went and started thinking crazy shit like: Oh god my dumb stupid genes ruined this worlds version of my mother, I diluted her perfctness and now she isn't perfect and it's all my fould.
this mindfucked me a lot bc Awakening + Fates references.
Oh Caeldori. You have no idea how important what Selena just said.
caeldori mix up the letters and what do you get?
Cordelia! Coincidence? I think not!
finally someone gets me
bjorno.1 although the fact that Caeldori is also an anagram of Riceload is a coincidence
@@isabelleshi6669 that means that Cordelia is too
my mind has been blown just now
Hmmmm... I achieved the same hair color of this Caeldori with Hinoka and Subaki. Never thought of Selena...
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this honestly makes me wish noire was a retainer as well so she could marry hayato and have rhajat as her daughter
Cordellia : Bye Severa may your life to be happy
Severa : No,i can't even prove to you my worth
Caeldori:I am back Severa,no should i say Selena,no Mom
Severa:.............
OH MY GOD, SHE REALLY DOES LOOK LIKE CORDELIA! OH MY GAWD!!!!
Oh my.... She is even a Pegasus Knight even.....
OH MY GAWD THIS HAS TO BE CANNON!!!! WHO IS THE FATHER?!
And that made me cry... :'(
Subaki is Caeldori's default father. Her mother is variable: this shows what happens if Selena is her mother.
Peter Jumper It has to be 100% cannon.
5:20
I kind of caved in on myself here. That was so painful 😁
Imagining that Caeldori search for her mother selena in awakening then becoming a knight of glasses. Then got marry to have gave birth to her mother again , So the cycle goes on..
Way I see it, Caeldori must have red hair. So only Severa or Hinoka can be her mommy.